The kit we deserve | Aubameyang Spurs stats | Media pulse on the game

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Ok, so, this is my SECOND preview of the game because I didn’t pay attention yesterday.

Now, I don’t usually post PR stories, but these stats read really well. Pierre has the best goals per minute ratio of all our past players. Sure, he’s played in way less games, but let’s take the W’s where we can.

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What, you want more pictures?

With the Puma deal with Arsenal coming to a close next summer, and Puma dropping a mint-f*ck-you kit, it’s clear a new sponsor is looming. So why not speculate about it being Adidas, and why not share the sweetness of some of the STUNNING designs of @SteveSinyard.

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THAT is how you design a kit. Someone sign that guy up and make him head of kit design at our next kit maker.

In yet MORE exciting news, Jack Wilshere is rumoured to be on the verge of signing up to a pay-as-you-play type deal that flexes from £90-110k per week. Jeremy Wilson revealed talks are progressing well, and he’ll likely put pen to paper. But what about Aaron, Mr Wenger?

“I’m positive because I want Jack to stay. I do the maximum I can to make him happy”

“He is a little bit different, with less time constraints than with Jack. With Jack it is now. With Aaron, do we lose two weeks or three weeks, it doesn’t matter much. I want him to stay as well. Especially if he starts to score hat-tricks!”

Yeah, get it, let’s play Aaron’s contract nice and casual, we have the time in th…

COME ON ARSENE KEEP UP

Bit of a weird comment. On paper, it’s like he’s been caught lying and he’s covering his tracks. Read the back half of that comment with a nervous laugh and a sweaty brow. Maybe I’m sleuthing too hard. I just think Wenger goes BIG on Jack and wanting to make him a happy camper… and it’s a bit tepid on Aaron.

We shall see.

There’s quite a lot of negativity surrounding Arsenal in the press build up to the Spurs game. I mean, it’s kind of grounding. I think I’ve gotten so carried away with an acceptable trasnfer window, I’ve lost sight of my pragmatism. Jonathan Wilson put me straight.

A rare mood of optimism seems to have settled over the Emirates Stadium, although there have been plenty of those that have gone nowhere over the past decade. It’s likely anyway to be challenged at Wembley on Saturday by a Tottenham side who lie four points above them in the Premier League table and who offer a reminder of their younger selves.

Spurs are youthful and thrusting, blessed with an innovative and likable manager who likes to develop his own talent, and excited by the prospect of a move to a new stadium – just as Arsenal were a decade ago. That should both concern Spurs, for whom their neighbours serve as a warning of the consequences of endlessly deferred fulfilment, and terrify Arsenal, who risk seeing their rivals achieve success with their blueprint.

He even went there… you know, the Ozil place you simply don’t go.

“Whether they are what Arsenal needed is a very different issue. Equally, while the retention of Mesut Özil has been presented as a coup, it may just as well be asked why no other club was prepared to meet the wage demands of a player who would have been available on a free transfer in the summer.”

But, here’s the thing. You can be as pragmatic as you like, but the reality is Spurs/AFC isn’t usually a form game. It’s a battle. Anyone could win the game, so it’s fair to be confident. It’s 50/50. Especially as the hype around Spurs doesn’t tally up with a miserly 4 point lead they have over a team that’s been in absolute freefall this year.

Wenger has a point on Poch. He’s won more. Outperformed him bar last season. Yet his job is under question and the Poch is being linked with Madrid.

Again, I’m getting carried away. Poch is developing players, he’s working on £100m a year less than Wenger, and he is totally worthy of the hype.

I’m just trying to give Wenger some credit before tomorrow.

Right, that’s me done. Last chance for the podcast.

Tomorrow, we dine in hell! 🔴

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  1. raptora

    That Arsenal is breathing again was such bollocks.

    Can’t go anywhere under Wenger but lower and deeper down. Terrible performance by a team that under a good manager should have given them a good fight.

    That period of the game between the 45-th and was it around the 70-th minute was one of the worst periods of an Arsenal game I’ve seen in my lifetime. Up there with the 2 games 5 to 1 vs Bayern and the 8-2 vs Manure and Chelsea’s 6:0. Shambolic.

    No matter who pulls the strings in transfers or what not, as long as this person stays as a manager, we won’t move anywhere forward. Steps being hopefully taken for that to happen, should be commended. But until he is surgically removed from our team, no transfer, or contract renewal, or mega kit or sponsor deal will make us look like a top team.

    Manager who hasn’t thought his players how to pass the ball forward when the enemy is pressing you. I thought the green lights, red lights training was giving us top preparation?! What a joke.

  2. David Smith

    Another nail in the coffin, this will soon be over, just over three months to go.
    Important commercial deals coming up, with serious penalties for lack of ECL,, that will cost the club, along with some of wengers insane recent decisions.
    Ivan and co are clearly on board for change, another year out of the ECL should make it pretty easy to explain to Stan.
    Wengers going out with a whimper , and looks to me like he knows it, whatever he says in public. Top four would have been the minimum this year, they talked about a championship challenge in sept

  3. Redtruth

    Typical season ticket holders like Emiratesstroller thinks the midfield is fine and all the fault if the defemce …..

    It’s time to hound out these comedic fans

  4. Bob

    Rambo Ramsey:
    “So that’s 2 wins in 10 with Wilshere starting”
    Please be careful what you say about wilshere on this blog.

  5. Buckhurst Gun

    There’s really nothing to get mad about , take this loss as something to go toward the greater good – and that’s wenger being escorted off the premises , it’s another nail in the coffin , the curly wurly cup won’t save his job even if we somehow won it and there’s no hope of us winning europa- he is gone this summer mark my words

  6. Bamford10

    Batistuta

    Seeing as you’re an Untold guy, what are they blaming the loss on over there? Let me guess: not Arsene Wenger.

    Who has been right all along? Le Grove and the WOB crowd.

    Who has been wrong all along? You lot.

  7. Leftsidesanch

    There was talk from that clown John Cross in August that if we don’t challenge, Wenger will walk. He’s gone quiet on that now.

    It’s over Arsene, that needs to be his last NLD.

  8. Victorious

    Oh dear! Watching the Lacazette’s miss in replay,he really really got it all wrong, what a pointless signing, Auba or Ramsey would have that on target at least,shocking miss

  9. Buckhurst Gun

    ‘ Please be careful what you say about wilshere on this blog.‘

    There’s saying stuff about Wilshere and then there’s having a weird obsession- maybe you should take a look at the 2 and work out which one you lean towards

  10. Rambo Ramsey

    Ramsey is currently the best of a bad collection of mids we’ve got. He’s the highest rated Arsenal player on Whoscored.

    There is nothing controversial in saying we might have given a better account of ourselves if he were fit.

    He would have given a more ballsy performance than the fairies we had playing.

  11. Marko

    Supposedly we’re looking at Enrique for the summer to pip the Chavs.

    I’d absolutely take him over Wenger but I can’t help but remember him at Roma. Still though the dinosaur managing us now is so bad I’d appoint Tony Pulis in a heartbeat

  12. Bob

    Buckhurst Gun
    Look go fuck of to the pub and support England and wilshere. Make wilshere captain of England just fuck of from arsenal you prick.

  13. HillWood

    Lacazette looked like he was sulking
    Caught offside pulling his socks up just after coming on.
    A disinterested volley unmarked in the box which he skied.
    Careless miss one on one with the keeper for a late equaliser.
    Shocking display

  14. Redtruth

    Rambo
    “Ramsey is currently the best of a bad collection of mids we’ve got. He’s the highest rated Arsenal player on Whoscored.”

    I’m sure Bamford would agree with you lol lol lol

  15. Rambo Ramsey

    Really should have gotten rid of Ozil and restructured the team. Get two strong-willed wide playmakers to combine with Auba as the front three.

    Go for a three man midfield with two athletic and imposing CDMs and Ramsey as third man.

    Demote Bellerin and Mustafi to the bench, see how Niles and Holding hold up. Make a Decision in the summer.

  16. Pierre

    Hey Tony
    I knew I was right… Said it all season.. We are a cup side and that’s it..

    Men against boys today, especially 2nd half.

    The problem is , at the moment Tottenham are a pretty good team, their home results against Liverpool, man u and Real Madrid proved that and we probably needed that one decision in the first half to go our way and we may have had something to hold on to, not that we deserved anything from the game.

    For all the Ramsey lovers who think he would have made a difference, I have 3 words.

    Swansea….. Bournemouth… Stoke

    He didn’t make a lot of difference in those games did

  17. TonyD

    So you’re saying we needed to play with THREE holding mids?

    No 2 will be fine once we buy quality and have a new manager

  18. TonyD

    England v Wales late something to really raise the blood pressure.

    Will be a cracker of a game for those inclined towards international rugby

  19. Batistuta

    Bamford

    Because I’m not on the blog every single day screaming Wenger out doesn’t mean i don’t want him gone

    Admit it, you were a bit over the top with your reaction after last week forgetting it’s still the same manager in charge

  20. Champagne Charlie

    Bamford

    Your continued ability to misconstrue and rewrite what people say is boring.

    I said with a change in ownership and different conditions above him I could conceivably see a different output in Wenger. Same way a new manager gets a different tune out of the same players, a new owner can get a different tune out of the same manager.

    That was stated when debating Kroenke and his culpability in our shitshow. You’re pushing the same agenda as per if you’re trying to suggest I’ve not been in favour of managerial change for the last couple of seasons.

    Broken record stuff

  21. Redtruth

    Victorious
    “Lacazette got barely 20 minutes and still managed to be the worst player on the pitch,honestly think he is off”

    You’ll be the first to congratulate him when he scores against the Dog & Duck..

  22. Batistuta

    Yea let’s all blame a player short on confidence playing for a past it manager and in a team without any kind of structure

    Bad misses? Sure

    Doesn’t make him a bad player overnight

    Some of y’all are so so over the top with your reactions most times

  23. Pierre

    Le grovellers were laughing at me yesterday for suggesting that dembele is better than Ramsey.

    Those doubters of Dembele should look at today’s performance, a perfect midfield performance.. That’s how it’s done.

  24. Wenker-wanger

    Wilshire.
    I saw him hold and play the ball in tight areas. I saw him get a shot in from the edge of the box with spuds players blocking 90% of the goal. He bent it perfectly into the. Only place available. I saw him chip, thread and curl passes into feet in the final third. I saw him ride foul tackles, snarl and harass spud players.
    Was I watching a different game?. Fine performance from jack in a broken down team.

  25. Carts

    Awful misses from Lacazette. His confidence is shot to pieces. But fluffing those two chances only increases the pressure on his.

    I thought overall we looked disjointed, scared and bereayhed of ideas. I thought we’d get something out of the game. But I must admit the midfield didn’t fill me with any confidence.

    Wilshere and Bellerin get a mention. Cech pulled of a couple good saves. But he’s so past it now.

  26. Wenker-wanger

    Wenger,
    A sad sorry feeble man doing the job of waiter when you expect a warrior general to take charge.
    Pathetic, inept show. Iwobi is not up to any prem league team standard. The limitations of lacazette highlight Wenger’s folly in the transfer market. £52m for a striker that doesn’t score and doesn’t really look that quality.

  27. Champagne Charlie

    Pierre

    I stated day before last that Dembele was their ace in the centre and it was proven so again. Would boss it at ours.

    Narrow midfield was not the way to go for me, Spurs were always going to get wide and get in that way. Different when we had Coquelin who could match people for energy. Xhaka and Elneny are the same type of player, it’s was a number matching exercise that stifled us and gave them an in.

  28. GS88

    Wasn’t expecting a win today in all honesty.

    Our midfield is so weak and lightweight its not even funny anymore. This area along with our defense and in goal, really needs addressing in the summer — like many have said on here for months.

    I actually think that Iwobi has something. Yes he is not pulling up trees right now and his distribution is iffy at present, but at 21 I think in the long run he could amount to something. Now whether or not that’s going to be with Arsenal is another matter.

    I’d keep Lacazette, and Ramsey. But I’d sell Welbeck and El Neny, both are not Arsenal quality. I like Wilshire but I’d move him on due to his injury and fitness record.

    We are going to need a: GK, CB, CM, CDM, Winger and another ST if we hopefully sell Welbeck.

    We also need a new manager — Sarri, Jardim and Anchelotti are my choices, maybe Zidane if RM sack him??

    Going to be a busy Sumner.

  29. Marko

    I said with a change in ownership and different conditions above him I could conceivably see a different output in Wenger.

    Ah no Charlie you were doing so well. Change in conditions nothing Wenger has been the same broken trash record for 15+ years now absolutely incapable of change incapable of improving. The only difference in new owner would be his ass lasting about 6 months in the job. Can’t attribute any of the blame towards ownership when you see the absolute shit on show today

  30. Guernsey gun

    Let’s not squabble about this player or that. This was a fucking obvious wake up call that we are finished under this prick. New start new season let’s focus on that. Focusing on whether Wilshere or Ramsey is better is like saying you can only have dot cotton or Rita fairclough. We can at least aspire to rooooosie Webster??????

  31. David Smith

    Awful or not, some of these players would be a hell of a lot better with better coaches and manager.
    Wenger, Colbert, banfield, Primorac, peyton, how does a player reach his max with that lot ?
    The good thing is, none of them will be here come my mid June birthday, and what a present that will be.
    I would say Stan deserves all this, but he doesn’t give a shit.
    I would imagine Raul is working away at out next manager as we write.

  32. Victorious

    Red
    Except that we could have nick a point if Lacazette was anything good enough, Auba is a big improvement, the big issue today was the midfield, no composition on the ball,they struggled all match

  33. Champagne Charlie

    Marko

    Don’t take that condescending tone with me. I’m not going there mate, if you want to chalk up all our ills to one man then have at it.

  34. Wenker-wanger

    Some people on here (semi akbs), keep believing wenger could still “do it” if we had a change of owner!
    Haha the horse is lame, no new jockey is gonna make him run.

  35. UTarse

    Those doubters of Dembele should look at today’s performance, a perfect midfield performance.. That’s how it’s done.

    I said he was a spuds fan…..

  36. Marko

    Don’t take that condescending tone with me. I’m not going there mate, if you want to chalk up all our ills to one man then have at it.

    I’m not condescending but you’re living in cloud cuckoo land if you think a new owner would get more out of Wenger. Delusions of grandeur one might say. He’s a man incapable of making substitutions before the 67th minute. He’s a man who thinks sitting deep with 10 men behind the ball is a worthwhile defensive tactic ONLY defensive tactic. He’s a man who when he wants to close out a game he brings on a second LB every single time. That’s him not Kroenke

  37. Bob

    Wilshere getting fit ready for England at the expense of arsenal. 10 games the omen started arsenal have only won 2. He did fuck all today.

  38. Carts

    I think those who’ve seen PEA over the year would agree that he relies heavily on the attacking support structures behind him.

    In this case, Ozil and Mkhitaryan were those tasked with utilising the space in behind Spurs for PEA to move into. I saw none of that. Ozil was the same Ozil away from home. Mkhitaryan looked shit out of ideas.

    Zero motivation.

  39. Marko

    I think those who’ve seen PEA over the year would agree that he relies heavily on the attacking support structures behind him.

    Absolutely. Bringing in a new shiny striker doesn’t really sort out the lack of creativity in the team. Plus it’s worth noting Auba flourished at Dortmund and Dortmund don’t really play with proper number 10’s their strength is in the wide areas with explosive wingers like Pulisic. Yarmolenko and last season with Ousmane Dembele. We have Zero legitimate wingers at the club. And we missed an opportunity to move for one in the summer by signing on Ozil imo. Him and Mhiki will in the long run hamstring us

  40. Champagne Charlie

    Marko

    No mate you’re being very blinkered in your Wenger fixation. Nobody is stating he’d become Pep Guardiola, but even the simplest of minds should be able to see how a change of ownership can affect the output of a football club.

    It was never as Bamford suggested it was anyway. It was a point raised when I highlighted that Wenger has been successful under a different regime with different expectations, whilst Stan has never had a drop of success with us that comes near.

    Everyone knows new blood is required, but back at that debate all parties (Stan, Ivan, Weng) were being discussed. So don’t let that tit portray what I said in any other light.

  41. Pierre

    Mhkitarean was operating from the left today …why.

    His strong point is crossing fast low balls from the right for the striker or pulling the ball back for the midfield to run onto ..so what does Wenger do , play him on the left which means he had to cut back in on his right foot .he tried one quick left footed cross but failed as its not natural for him ….

  42. UTarse

    Wenger is senile, selfish, and a disgusting leach on Arsenal FC. Fans have no shame by letting the stench carry on without a fight.

  43. omar

    As usual Wilshere gets his mandatory high marks again. From the moment I saw that he was starting I knew the best we could get is a draw. I fail to see where the love for him comes from. And for those who believes that this Bournemouth reject is a Mr Arsenal, remember when he let it be known years ago that he would consider leaving Arsenal if they got rid of Wenger. Just another overrated teacher’s pet making a killing at Arsenal while being average.

  44. Carts

    Marko

    Exactly. Wenger shoe-horning players Into the side will be the reason why nothing will change.

    There’s no real thought that goes into anything Wenger does. Ozil and Mkhitaryan aren’t stretching anything playing where they were.

    In order to get anything out of that mess of a formation requires repetition in training sessions. You’ll get away with it at home vs the like of Everton and Huddersfield – but that’s your lot.

  45. Marko

    Charlie I was only arguing against the point that a new owner would see a different output or improvement in Wenger. He’s old he’s useless now. You can attribute a lot to Kroenke sure but you can’t attribute how bad Wenger’s gotten to Stan he did that all by himself. The idea that someone who was successful in the first 5-6 years and been average to poor the last 10-15 years can somehow manage to turn back time is silly. People get worse with age not better. Plus it’s also worth pointing out even prior to Stan being owner there’s always been the occasional big game lose or humiliating defeat. It’s been a Wenger norm since before Stan became owner. But let’s not start the whole Stan Arsene shite it’s been done to death but after a game like today how anyone can think Wenger is capable is beyond me

  46. Ishola70

    Said on another thread there is no real thought in the acquiring of players.

    And Mhiki was on the left today because Ozil has seniority in the side and if Ozil wants right side he gets right side.

    Mhiki skied more than one cross today.

    Shoe-horning indeed.

  47. London gunner

    This blog is so knee jerk.

    This is auba’s second arsenal game. Let’s call down before we get the pitchforks out.

  48. Carts

    LondonGunner

    You’re missing the point, or maybe my point: PEA will give us plenty of these performances the longer Wenger persists with a botched formation and team selection.

    It’s myopic nonsense from Wenger, again. It’s not feasible to play Ozil and Mkhitaryan simultaneously. In turn, this will make PEA look like Lacazette 2.0

  49. Champagne Charlie

    Marko

    You operate on the idea that to say something bad about Stan absolves Wenger, that’s not the case and I’m certainly not suggesting it.

    Your rigid approach regarding Wenger too isn’t smart. Yea he’s old, but he’s also been a fantastic manager and to speak in such absolute terms about a change in regime above him highlights your inability to talk objectively. He should be replaced – 100%.

    But….. don’t give me the nonsense that a change above him wouldn’t yield a change in his output. Its totally illogical, if peak Abramovich took us over right now we’d see a change, but then likely a change in manager altogether. The premise of my point has been twisted to serve another narrative altogether but that’s nothing new here.

    Le grove needs a bigger dose of sensibility at times, just run trough today’s comments at its back to the stock Wenger is shit blah blah. Now Lacazette and co are getting it in the neck. Jeez

  50. Bamford10

    Carts

    You can definitely play those two together. We did last weekend. But you need a fourth runner joining them (and Auba, ) just as I said prior to the game. Last weekend that was Ramsey; today it was no one.

    Özil, Mkhi and Auba need a fourth attacking player, and Wilshere is not that player.

  51. Victorious

    The difference between the spuds and us has never been more glaring, they are really a structured side tailored around Kane,while Wenger just threw in Auba to play in front of a bunch of midgets,really painful to watch today

  52. Micheal

    Take a look at our remaining Premier League fixtures and calculate the likely end of season total.

    A reasonable guess is that we take a further 20 – 23 points from the remaining 11 games, which gives us a total of 65 – 68 points. The last time we achieved less than 68 pts was 2005-06 when Henry scored 33 of our 68 league goals.

    Progress.

  53. Ishola70

    lol runners from midfield who vacate their defensive duties, two flowers in the team in Ozil and Mhiki and a central midfielder who can’t tackle.

    Wenger Wonderland.

    Worked against Everton though eh.

  54. Bamford10

    Wenger is a “fantastic manager,” says Champagne! I told you he was still a believer, still an AKB.

    Fucking delusional. Wenger is garbage & has been for years. Nothing to do with Kroenke, who has never restricted Wenger in any way.

    Charlie is simply another visitor from Untold.

  55. Victorious

    Red
    Auba just played his second game for us today with ZERO chance going for him,he will come good,I think

    The fact Xhaka was a beast in the Bundesliga makes me hate the league more

  56. Bamford10

    Ishola

    Runners from midfield? That’s precisely what we didn’t have today. None of our midfielders today can run. They all waddle, and slowly.

  57. Elmo

    The big problem is that our first XI is packed with peak age players on huge money, yet we’ve reached the point where Spuds are so superior an outfit (even as a 5th place team) that they’re bossing us completely out of games in a similar way that we’d expect of Barca or Bayern in previous years.

    It’s difficult to even pin down exactly why we failed; they were just better drilled, more hungry, more talented and more powerful all over the pitch. And they’re not even an exceptional team but merely a well-balanced, well-managed, ambitious CL team.

    This situation has been a long time coming as a result of years of poor decisions being made and standards being tacitly lowered. We have to accept that the imbalance in the playing squad and the cultural collapse at the club are now so deep-rooted that it will take at least a couple of seasons to begin to turn around, if not longer, even after a new manager has come in.

    The big focus for Gazidis, Sanllehi, Mislintat etc is to not only be ready to be straight out the blocks in the summer in drastically re-shaping the squad, but also to act to maximise the time any new manager will have in working with the players prior to the new season.

    At a semi-serious level, would Gordon Ramsey do a better job as manager of Arsenal than Wenger? He at least knows the game having been at Rangers as a youth and obviously has a clue about the type of culture you need in a competitive environment to succeed. Imagine a fly on the wall TV series following that!

  58. Ishola70

    Bamford10
    “Runners from midfield? That’s precisely what we didn’t have today. None of our midfielders today can run. They all waddle, and slowly.”

    I was talking about the Everton match.

    Bamford having Ozil and Mhiki and Ramsey and that shit midfield all playing together in one team is not going to bring real success to this side.

    It may be entertaining for you to watch at times when they dismantle a poor team or team who crumble or who are not on their game on the day but overall and in the long run it will not make this team serious contenders.

  59. Dissenter

    Anyone else watching Yaya Sanogo playing for Toulouse vs PSG?
    Yaya Sanogo, the £50 million striker that never blossomed.

  60. Leedsgunner

    Cech reminds me more and more of Almunia these days… and his distribution is awful. He’s not reliable anymore.

    Bellerin flatters to deceive. I do not know if there is a right back in the league that loses the ball so often and when he does have the ball, he can’t cross the said ball to save his life.

    Xhaka looks completely lost, positionally he’s tries to be everywhere but gets nowhere. He needs to be our shield and ball winner but he’s just a passenger. He looks completely out of his depth. I think he was trying to replicate what Ramsey was doing last week.

    Özil and Mkhitaryian both looked like they were trying to craft out the perfect rather than trying to set the tempo of the game with their passing. In any case the Tottenham DM/defenders did their job by marking our attackers out of the game… and playing the offside trap perfectly.

    Iwobi, poor kid, he looked like he didn’t want to be there today.

    Our attackers will no doubt bear the criticism today but they were not given any service. Nevertheless, Lacazette should have done better with the two chances he was presented with. It was like watching Giroud. (Lol). The second chance he missed was incredible. I mean it was easier to score than miss!

    (The sheer frustration and disbelief and face palm that Wenger did was very amusing though).

    #WengerOut

  61. Bamford10

    TR7

    Glad we have you on record as saying that Lacazette will come good for Arsenal. That will be an interesting one to watch. Good luck!

  62. Dissenter

    Officiating is really pathetic
    I’ve just seen the penalty given against Brighton in the game against Stoke.
    What a shocker.

  63. Bamford10

    Ishola

    One, I agree we need to improve at holding/defensive midfield and I have been saying so for years.

    However, this doesn’t change the fact that Ramsey would’ve made a better CAM today than Wilshere did, and that we would’ve been better with Ramsey ahead of Wilshere and Elneny than we were with Wilshere ahead of Xhaka and Elneny.

    Would we be even better if we replaced Xhaka, Wilshere and Elneny with more athletic, more mobile CMs? Yes.

    But Ramsey is still an improvement on what we saw today.

  64. Batistuta

    Bamford

    When you say Ramsey is an improvement based on what we saw today, what do you base that on really? He’s been here almost 9years now i think

  65. Ishola70

    The midfield was picked today Bamford because Wenger didn’t want his boy Xhaka to be swamped.

    As it turned out Spurs were very superior in midfield anyway.

    If Ramsey was picked and played as second striker like he usually does and played that way against Everton Spurs superiority in the midfield department would have been even greater today.

    Teams are not going to fold Bamford every week like Everton did.

  66. Bamford10

    Dissenter

    No. The XI we watched last weekend was much better than the one we saw today, even if only two players were different.

    While that XI might not have won today — though I think they could have — they would’ve been better than that pathetic thing we watched today.

    Even two players can make a big difference in a side, especially with Arsenal, where the players must be everything as the manager is a zero.

  67. Batistuta

    Like I can fully understand or try to the logic behind thinking even Messi would have made a difference for us today but for a player who’s been with us for years and been part of numerous hidings, I fail to see what Ramsey would have brought to the table that would have been different from the shit show we saw today

  68. Bamford10

    Ishola

    The midfield was picked as it was because Ramsey wasn’t available. He had a hat-trick last weekend; the notion that Wenger invented a Ramsey injury in order to keep him out of the XI is ridiculous. If he was concerned about his runs, he simply would have told him this. He wouldn’t keep him out of the XI. Even Wenger isn’t that dumb.

  69. Leedsgunner

    We are a mid table team, and no amount of Lacazette and Aubameyang is going to change that.

    A midtable team saddled with a washed up and tired manager.

    #WengerOut

  70. Batistuta

    Anyway my boy Crutone doing the business for Milan today, started on fire then faded but seems to be picking himself up now, Milan on quite a run

  71. Bamford10

    Batistuta

    No offense, but you just don’t see the game very well. A person who doesn’t see the difference between what Jack brings to the game and what Ramsey brings to the game just doesn’t see much when he watches the game. Sorry. Get someone else with more patience to explain the obvious to you. Or review their statistics.

  72. Ishola70

    Bamford you are living in a Wenger Wonderland if you think a combination of Ramsey/Ozil/Mhiki are going to get this club challenging for top honours.

    Two are flowers. The other a central midfielder who has been turned into a secondary striker by Wenger.

    There is no balance in that thinking. It is Wenger Wonderland thinking.

  73. raptora

    We dominated the EPL’s best midfield in recent years in the face of Kante and Matic in the FAC last year. Guess who’s play made us feel like we had a man advantage all game – Ramsey. Not only scored the winning goal but was absolutely immense in all parts of the game. Won the ball numerous times, tackled, cut some passes, outfought their players. Complete performance. Not the only one in my short term memory.

    This Ramsey playing like a second striker bullshit needs to stop. It’s so over the top it doesn’t even have a touch with reality.

  74. Batistuta

    Bamford

    I fully understand and ‘see’ the game quite clearly and I’m sorry but both Jack and Aaron bring next to nothing to Arsenal football club, both should be rid of with immediate effect alongside the manager

    The only thing those two bring to the table are an impressive amount of Inconsistency

  75. UTarse

    Bamford,
    You’re having a shocker, time to just put your hand up and take it. Since the Everton win you’ve been humming a tune with no rhythm.

  76. Marko

    But….. don’t give me the nonsense that a change above him wouldn’t yield a change in his output. Its totally illogical, if peak Abramovich took us over right now we’d see a change, but then likely a change in manager altogether. The premise of my point has been twisted to serve another narrative altogether but that’s nothing new here.

    Yeah I dunno about that. I mean if Abramovich was to take over tomorrow does a switch go off in Wenger and he suddenly signs up a DM instead of a striker? Does he decide to target wingers instead of more number 10’s? Decides to play attacking football with pacy widemen instead of tippi tappy through the middle AM’s? Maybe he sees the future and decides to finally spend more than 10 million on the goalkeeping position.

    I mean it’s okay if you still think under different circumstances that Wenger can still do a job can still be considered a good manager. I just think especially after a game like today that he absolutely can’t. Under any circumstances he’s still now and has been for a while a poor manager. He could get the Barcelona or Madrid job tomorrow and I guarantee you that he wouldn’t last more than a year or two tops. Questions would be asked of him inside 6 months his reputation might keep him in the job a bit longer

  77. Ishola70

    But it’s not bullshit Raptora.

    That game you mentioned against Chelsea was unusual for Ramsey.

    He is usually vacating his position and looking for goals in the penalty area. A lot.

    So we know the player has it in him to be a more disciplined player but as said Wenger interferes and fvcks players over.

  78. TR7

    Give us Dembele and Wanyama over Xhaka/Ramsey/Elneny/Jack and we are sorted as a team. Wenger spends all our money on luxury/shiny players. Truly baffling.

  79. Champagne Charlie

    Bamford

    Literally said “has been” a fantastic manager, then said he should be replaced “100%” all in th same sentence. How have you turned that into me saying he is a fantastic manger?

    You’re the biggest fucking moron going on here I swear.

    Let’s not forget you called for he exact tactics/lineup that got us shredded today, so maybe you ought to pipe down a bit you utter clown.

  80. Leedsgunner

    “No offense, but you just don’t see the game very well. A person who doesn’t see the difference between what Jack brings to the game and what Ramsey brings to the game just doesn’t see much when he watches the game. Sorry. Get someone else with more patience to explain the obvious to you. Or review their statistics.”

    Honestly, Batistuta has every right to see the game as he wants to and share it. How arrogant is this?

    Pray tell us Bamford what is the difference?!? I can’t wait to be educated!

  81. raptora

    I agree with Ozil and Mikki not being a good idea playing together though. We needed a winger and got Mikki. Might be a good player but we have Ozil in the team anyways. He’s not better. Just like we have Auba now and Lacazette is worse than him. Two pairs of the exact same type of players. We should have gotten just the two better players in Ozil and Auba and buy different type of players. Even Giroud makes more sense to be in the team compared to Lacazette. Lucas Moura or Pulisic or Mor or whoever made more sense to be brought compared to Mikki. Then someone like Can in midfield and we had a way better balanced team. This shit atm is bad. Not sure about the choices that our new guys/gurus made.

  82. David Smith

    Wenger takes the blame for this stagnation but shouldn’t forget those who allowed this, ignored clear signs of decline, and until the last couple of months, allowed Wenger to continue unabated and unquestioned to the point where the manager is seriously costing the club.
    But then again, Arsenal are spectacularly successful for a Stan club.

  83. Batistuta

    Ishola

    He does the same gung ho bullshit for Wales but difference is he has Allen and co doing most of the mop ups behind him, I like him and admire how much he has put into getting back to playing after the leg break but he is not Arsenal material, same with Wilshere, Xhaka, Elneny and every other midfielder in the squad

  84. Batistuta

    Leeds

    Its classic Bamford being the all knowing harbinger of Knowledge, wouldn’t pay too much attention to what he says

    I’d love to see him explain the difference though

  85. Marko

    I fully understand and ‘see’ the game quite clearly and I’m sorry but both Jack and Aaron bring next to nothing to Arsenal football club, both should be rid of with immediate effect alongside the managerThe only thing those two bring to the table are an impressive amount of Inconsistency

    Absolutely agree.

    The Wilshere Ramsey stuff is nauseating to say the least. Need to move on from both imo Ramsey is the slightly better player but both truly a squad players at best. Honestly people would absolutely lose their shit if someone like Fabinho or Kovacic or Savic or Goretska or Dahoud were trotting out in an Arsenal jersey week in week out. What is this discipline and consistency you suddenly speak of?

  86. champagne charlie

    The same Bamford that thinks Elneny is class, Ozil is shit, Mustafi is a RB, Lacazette is poor, and Icardi is Italian?

    Oh yea, guys a sage.

  87. Bamford10

    Ishola

    If we had one or two proper holding/defensive mids — e.g., a Fabinho — then I think a “front four” of Ramsey, Ozil, Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang could be pretty damn good.

    And I don’t see why my wide attacking players need to be anything other than creative types.

    Would I prefer Silva to Ozil, DeBruyne to Ramsey, Sane to Mkhi? Sure, but the Arsenal players just named are not bad players, and City wouldn’t cut through Everton all that much better than we did.

  88. Batistuta

    Marko

    I don’t get it too, it’s not like we were debating World class players but bang average Swansea level players not good enough and someone wants me to “see” what they bring to the table

  89. Marko

    Funny thing for me is we’ve spent over 100 million on strikers the last 6 months but in all honesty this team still needs pacy wingers. The football is ineffective shite for the most part. We’ve almost zero players who can dribble past defenders and stretch defences it’s all in front and easy

  90. champagne charlie

    Mikki and Ozil 100% can operate in the same side, that’s nonsense to suggest they can’t.

    Spurs played with Kane, Alli, Son, and Eriksen as their front 4 today. Son is the closest thing to a winger there and even that’s a stretch. The difference is they have a defensive unit that know their roles and assist in providing a stable base t play out from.

    EVERY ‘attack’ we had resulted in Spurs mopping it up and building from deep with control of things (Sanchez to Dier to Dembele to Alli/Eriksen etc). By contrast we are at 6’s and 7’s making half volley clearances and trying to collect 50-50’s and bouncing balls because our CM is all at sea, our CB’s live on the edge, and our GK has no feet.

  91. Redtruth

    Champagne charlie
    “The same Bamford that thinks Elneny is class, Ozil is shit, Mustafi is a RB, Lacazette is poor, and Icardi is Italian? Oh yea, guys a sage.”

    Pot calling the kettle black
    You are equally as bad if not worse than chump Bamford…

  92. Leedsgunner

    Batisuta

    Ordinarily I have no problems at all with Bamford, he’s entitled to his opinions and he has interesting to say but I thought in this particular instance he was being unfair.

  93. Ishola70

    lol comparing Son to Mhiki and Ozil.

    Son is a workaholic.

    Ozil and Mhiki are flowers.

    Son is not a flower.

    Mhiki/Son or Ozil/Son ok. Mhiki/Ozil not ok.

  94. Bamford10

    Except that I never said Elneny was “class,” never said Ozil was “shit,” and never said Lacazette was “poor” — certainly not in absolute terms. And Mustafi has played as a RB a number of times and has looked better there than he has ever looked as a CB, so I’m not sure what your point is.

    Bringing up the fact that I thought Icardi was Italian is just embarrassing. Only a child would think this was somehow some unforgivable error.

    You’re a fucking joke, mate.

  95. champagne charlie

    Bamford

    You’ve stated all of the above, which completely undermines your arrogant elitist attitude you have on here. Not that hard to figure out dickhead

  96. Bamford10

    Marko

    Whether you think either (Ramsey or Wilshere) is good enough is a completely different question from whether they have the same attributes, bring the same thing to the game.

    I was discussing the latter.

    That you have agreed with Batistuta — who sees no difference between the two — is embarrassing.

  97. Marko

    I think a “front four” of Ramsey, Ozil, Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang could be pretty damn good… but the Arsenal players just named are not bad players, and City wouldn’t cut through Everton all that much better than we did.

    Yeah but with all due respect Bam we don’t play teams like Everton at home every week. If we did you’d be on to something but away from home or against decent opposition and we’re not remotely the same. I’d even argue that until we properly address real pace and wingers in the team that we’ll never challenge for a league title again. Always targeting players who pass and cut back instead of taking on defenders and stretching defences means we’ll always fail. Look at how most of the big clubs set up and I guarantee you that you see pace in their forwards and in some cases wingers who take on defenders. Ozil and Mhiki don’t do that

  98. Marko

    Spurs played with Kane, Alli, Son, and Eriksen as their front 4 today. Son is the closest thing to a winger there and even that’s a stretch

    Yeah but those lads mentioned especially Son and Eriksen have pace about them and dribbling ability to get past players. Mhiki has some pace but Ozil doesn’t really can’t really glide past players either. You could only afford one of these types of players in attack for me not two

  99. Bamford10

    Champagne

    Actually, I’ve never said any of those things. You’re simply distorting things I have said — as you often do — in a lame attempt to score points. You’re being dishonest, and not for the first time.

    But keep telling us about how “fantastic” a manager Arsene Wenger is. We want to hear more about that.