Wenger liberal with extent of his incompetence

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I’ve been dropping so many positive bombs on you the last few days, I actually have people on Twitter trying to convince me Wenger is a bad manager.

KNOW YOUR HISTORY.

Anyway, bit of a Wenger rant incoming.

I absolutely detest the way he manipulates the truth to suit his survivalist instincts. Nothing is ever his fault. He always falls back on this ‘I’m a pretty classy guy’ angle, and fans always fall for it.

Let’s crack into his latest reimagining of history.

“I cannot understand anybody wanting to leave Arsenal”

“But in 30 years of doing transfers, you learn a lot about human beings. As a professional, it was perhaps his last contract at the top level and an important contract.”

This is Wenger setting the stage. He’s telling you he’s been around for a while, back when footballers were paid with eggs and bread., and it’s not the same. He’s also trying to sell Arsenal as a dream in itself, bypassing the realities of why players don’t want to be here despite us having all the necessary ingredients a modern player needs (excellent pay, location, sell-out stadium).

“We did what we tried to do and went as far as we could (with money). Even Manchester City moved out of it in the end. That tells you we had no chance to give him a contract.”

This is where he’s playing games.

True, Arsenal are unable to pay Alexis £400k a week. I’m not sure we’re that sort of club, and I’m not sure we want to be. However, the problem Arsenal ran into didn’t stem from Alexis wanting £400k a week. They came from Wenger and Gazidis not pulling the trigger on deals in 2015.

If you remember, we’d beaten Villa in the cup final and all the talk that summer was about record deals for our two star men. The agents were going big, the talk moved to £200k a week, at the time, the money seemed wild, but reality was any CEO worth his salt could see where wages were going with the new TV deal. Worth noting as well, that summer, we put Theo on a £140k a week deal. It was clear what it’d take to get proper players to sign on.

The subplot here is that, as you all know, Wenger needs to be the highest paid man at the club. £200k a week was higher than his £140k a week. We didn’t tie our best players down to long deals when sentiment around the club was great because of Wenger’s ego and Ivan’ meekness in overruling him.

Wenger went on to fuck up the summer of 2015, signing only Petr Cech. By 2016, money started to flood the game, the players could see where their mates’ salaries were going, then by the time no deal had been done by December, and the team were failing, it was clear how things were going to pan out.

The absolute joke of it all is this… Wenger oversaw a terrible season and was given a new deal adn a pay bump. To what number? £10m a year, which is £192k a week. The number we had been trying to tie Ozil and Sanchez down to since last summer. The club basically forfeited the ability to sell Alexis for £90m because of ego, or a total lack of planning. I’m putting my money on ego.

Hopefully, Sanllehi, Sven and Huss Fahmy are in a position to put this nonsense to bed once and for all. Wenger isn’t worth £10m and his ego shouldn’t guide our contract planning approach or our transfer strategy. The new team is off to a good start, if we end the window with a defender, Aubameyang and Mikki, we’re in good shape.

Before the Armenian was misused at United, he was a really great player. He has a touch of the Cazorla’s about his game. He’s a hard worker, maybe not industrious enough for Jose, but more than enough for Tuchel and Klopp. If we can spark his confidence, I think we could have good run in for the rest of the season.

My guess is the club are gambling on those two taking us to Europa League glory. Most likely our best chance for Champions League qualification. 5-8 points off Liverpool seems a bit of an ask considering the poor shape our team is in at the moment.

UPDATE: Mikki is not cup tied. Aubameyang is.

Still, you never know.

I mean, you likely do. I’m not sure Wenger’s magic final season push is still there. But at least if we have players that want to go for it, we have a better chance. Seriously, Mikki, Auba, Ramsey, Ozil and Lacazette could be pretty exciting.

Right, that’s me done.

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  1. Pierre

    The common theme on here and keeps getting repeated is that sanchez left The Arsenal because he wanted to win trophies.

    As Joseph (1886not1996) has assured us that jose won the league cup and Europa cup which he admits are TROPHIES then surely, unless I missed something, sanchez won 2 TROPHIES whilst at Arsenal football club and if he had stayed would probably have had more chance of winning another TROPHY as we are one home game away from another final and as our record is 100% at Wembley in recent years I would say we have a decent chance of winning the league cup, which is, of course, a TROPHY as Joseph (1886not1996) has kindly reminded us.

  2. jasongms

    “You didn’t quite go as far to say that he did the treble with the super cup (community shield) but finally you have come out of denial about the fa cup not being a trophy.”

    I doubt anyone here has stated that the FA cup isn’t a real ‘trophy. What most are against are the AKB’s use of the Fa cup as some sort of barometer to judge Arsene on, when it clearly isn’t. And I could almost guarantee that had we ever won the League Cup the same guys would be using it as justification that Arsene is still relevant… that s the issue Pierre, but you already knew that right.

  3. loyika

    @ 1896!?

    I get more wrong than right? Examples please or you are one of those posters that just post stuff from the sky or for the fun of it?

    Win, Lose or draw most are on here regardless, so not sure what your on about folks not raising their hands up if they get things wrong or right.

    You feel United will challenge for UCL and EPL next season, which is fine if it was just a feeling, but you are stating it as facts, hence my comments that if they don’t will you come back to comment on that prediction? (and that is not in comparism to Arsenal as we all know we are a long way from competing for either of those 2 comps, especially the UCL which qualification hangs in the balance)

    Funny enough your wanting to place a bet on United winning reminds me of a certain “Canadian Fireman?” Is thou J-Boy?

    Are you using another handle? Because you sound like him alot – Love for Jose and everything United! Check! Hatred for Arsenal! Check!

  4. Goobergooner

    If Arsenal didn’t accept city’s 20 million pound offer, and they weren’t willing to pay more, how the fuck was Sanchez meant to go there?

    I know Sanchez has been acting like a prick for months, but as if you wouldn’t be with Wenger at the helm. I think that he is going to United only because he wants out now rather than seasons end, and they offered the asking price (in terms of a player we deemed worthy).
    The mega pay check he would have got anywhere he went. United made the only offer Arsenal were willing to accept at a time Sanchez desperately wants out.

  5. Pierre

    Jasongms
    Excuse me… Did you just say that no one on here has doubted that the FA Cup is a real trophy… Yeah right

    So I am taking it that the obsessives are coming out of denial and admitting that the FA Cup is a real trophy worth winning.

    OK, that’s put that one to bed

  6. thank you and goodnight

    Best thing that has happened to in a long while. By that I mean Wenger taking a gamble that Ozil and Sanchez would stay has weakened his position now they’re leaving/left. Maybe Pedro is right and slowly but surely change is upon us. We’ll see I suppose. Hope so

  7. Black Hei

    jasongms

    Pierre and 1896 are both guilty of using facts to fit their narrative. So just leave it as that.

    I am an AKB (still barely hanging on), but I do see why Sanchez wants to go. Half a million a year, trophy or no trophy, he is already a winner. And that is his baseline.

    Win a major trophy, and that is a bonus. Win a minor trophy and you have a consolation.

    United clearly has more $$ and better players. If Jose stinks, they will just fire him (and pay of his contract) and hire another expensive coach.

    They will do so until they win.

    The fact about modern football economics is that it is now less about actual performances and more about perception.

    Fans need renewal; if things don’t work, just keep trying. While United’s football has been dire for years, the fans are kept excited by shiny new players with huge profiles which keeps the whole “supporting” fresh.

    It WAS the same with Arsenal. Use new academy prospects, new players to sell a better tomorrow. It kept us AKBS coming back despite the lack of hardware.

    But then 10 freaking years, is a long long time.

    My guess is that unless United start to buck up, eventually United fans will suffer the same disillusionment.

    Look at Liverpool’s disenchantment regarding the loss to Swansea. I think Klopp is a reincarnated version of Wenger who came from the future. The emotions they invoke in fans are eerily similar.

  8. jasongms

    Pierre

    The fact’s are winning the Fa cup does not enhance the reputation of Arsenal FC, nor that of Arsene. Is it a real trophy, yes, but only as part of a set, like winning that EPL or CL. Fans like you that think Arsene should be revered because he won the FA cup are exactly why he’s still here.

  9. graham62

    To the clueless souls who frequent this site on a daily basis, let’s make things perfectly clear.

    Sanchez left for several reasons-

    1. Financial gain.
    2. To compete for the top trophies, not the second tier stuff.
    3. To get away from a negative and regressive environment.
    4. Because he had lost respect for Wenger and his methods.

    Add to this, he wanted to be amongst winners/leaders and it sort of all makes sense.

    Good luck to the guy.

    Some of you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

  10. Goobergooner

    Wenger and the club have treated him like shit ever since he turned down the contract extension 18 months ago.
    Fucking shit cunts the PR department at the club. Eat right out of Wenger’s ass

  11. Rambo Ramsey

    Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has confirmed that a deal for Borussia Dortmund forward Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang is under discussion– BBC

    The Gabon international forward has been strongly linked with the Gunners and Wenger says that talks are underway.

    Asked if he was confident of completing a deal for Aubameyang, Wenger said: “Confident or not confident, I don’t know.

    “You never know how close you are.

    “This is the kind of thing – he is one of the possible movements, but we have other things in mind as well. We have plenty of opportunities and the final decision is not made.

    “At the moment we are not close to any deal, Aubameyang or anybody else.”
    —————————————————————–

    Since when did Wenger start becoming so relaxed and open about transfer related questions?

    Contrary to popular belief, he sounds relieved that the burden of negotiating has been taken away from him?

  12. Emiratesstroller

    When you read Le Grove most of the ire in recent years has been directed at
    Arsene Wenger and anyone who does not spew out equal hatred is described as an AKB or even worse.

    Everyone bar the kitchen sink knows that the club has grown progressively stale under Wenger’s managership and he needs to go.

    Nevertheless the suggestion as many now make that he was rubbish over the entire 21 years are being stupid and frankly disingenuous.

    His time at Arsenal needs to be divided into three segments.

    1. The first seven years when Arsenal were vying with Man Utd to be top dog
    in EPL. In this period we won three league titles against the four won by Fergie.

    2. The second six or seven years when Arsenal were developing the stadium and infrastructure with no external assistance and at a time when the UK were
    in recession. It was very difficult paying for stadium and being a financial heavyweight in transfer market. The fact that we maintained a top 4 position
    under his stewardship has to be acknowledged.

    3. The criticism comes from the third period which is the last six or seven years. Wenger should have departed once the club was in a financial position
    to rebuild team and allowed someone else to come in and reinvigorate the club.

    Wenger was no longer a visionary and his decision making over the past six or
    seven years has been poor. That has been blindingly obvious with the mishandling of Higuain and Suarez negotiations.

    He has got in the habit of being too frugal in transfer market and making do
    with either inexperienced rookies or uninspirational players most of whom are not good enough to deliver a league title.

    When you reach that point and the finances becomes more important than football performance you should know that it is time to go. Arsenal’s weakness
    as a club is that the major shareholder and Board have until now been happy to allow Wenger complete control.

    That is now something which needs to be corrected. The next manager/ head
    coach needs to focus entirely on improving performance and delivery of trophies and nothing else.

  13. graham62

    Pierre

    The FA Cup has become a second tier trophy.

    Arsenal have become a second tier club.

    MARRIAGE IN HEAVEN THEN!

  14. Pierre

    Jasongms
    I don’t think he should be” revered” for winning the fa cup 3 times in 4 years but I do think any manager should get credit for winning any trophy as jose was given credit for winning trophies, the league cup and Europa cup.

    I am sure you understand that it is very difficult to win any trophy, city’s one league cup in 3 years is evidence of that but of course, only a fool wouldn’t believe we are underachieving in the league and will more than likely continue to underachieve whist he is manager.

  15. Rambo Ramsey

    The love-in for Sanchez is sickening.

    He’s went there and come out with shit like ‘Hairs on my back stand up when I see the United badge’ and other bollocks about the color of their shirt.

    Ridiculous things to say after being employed by their rival club for 3 and a half years. A complete wanker.

  16. Pierre

    Graham on sanchez leaving.

    “3. To get away from a negative and regressive environment.
    4. Because he had lost respect for Wenger and his methods.

    Point 4 I agree with.

    Point 3. I feel part of the negative environment was due to sanchez change in behaviour to the club for whatever reason..
    I suppose one day we will find out the real reason for that… I think he was tapped up by city and his head was turned, similar to Coutinho at Liverpool.

  17. OleGunner

    I’m getting a great laugh reading all this posts that Sanchez is a mercenary.
    The Wenger acolytes can not accept that he just wanted an OUT, and to be part of a club that is at least trying to be at the top of the EPL (even if they fail trying to do so).

    Of course he was alwyas gonna get mega money as one of the best players in the league so that shouldn’t even be a point of conversation.

    A big portion of our fanbase truly is pathetic, never holding board or Wenger accountable. I guess that’s how Wenger already has his contract renewal locked for 2019 lol

  18. Goobergooner

    Pierre being disingenuous as usual,

    You keep saying city have only won 1 league cup in 3 years, but refer to Arsenal’s 3 fa cups in 4 years.

    Use the same timeframe and city has won a god damn league title in that time. Something Arsenal haven’t got close to. And no I don’t count 2nd to Leicester as close, especially the way Arsene went about that season.

  19. Rambo Ramsey

    Wenger has tipped the new signing to be a huge hit, revealing he struggled at United because of the competition for attacking places.

    “I have no doubt about his attitude,” the Arsenal manager told reporters ahead of his team’s game against Chelsea.

    “He suffered a bit with the competition he had there [United].

    “I will know how much [it affected his confidence] over the next few weeks.”
    —————————————————–

    The pampering has already started. This man will never change, rock these players in your arms and stroke their hair, why don’t you?

  20. Dennis

    —————————————————————–Since when did Wenger start becoming so relaxed and open about transfer related questions?

    Yeah..
    like now wanting to appear ‘in contrl’, puller of strings ultimately, framing the narrative in the media.. Like manager in a non autocratic environemnt might do..? Work as one of many, a core member of team though e meber of team decidedly.. Dof like peple ‘Sven’ et al..

  21. Goobergooner

    Olegunner, it doesn’t make sense does it.

    All you can do is laugh.

    I really hate all this akb v wob shite.
    It is going to be seriously great for fan harmony when Arsene is gone.

    Finally we may all be able to get behind the team together for a change.

  22. shaun ellis

    this Fan base is truly amazing and you can see why a failure to even compete in the last ten years get’s to remain “let’s break his tenure into three parts”…………………..lol…………..lol this is a man who been paid 8-10 ,million a season for the last ten seasons and has failed to compete even once for the league title .I really don’t think people realise how much money the man is being paid .you have five attempts and you fail you have now pocketed near on 50 mil …so take your money and go you, obviously cannot deliver the title or any other major trophy and you have been rewarded with financial security for the rest of your life and can also live in luxury that 99% of us could only ever dream of but never experience ….fuck me surely that is enough

  23. Ishola70

    Arsenal fans hate Man Utd much more than Man United fans hate Arsenal.

    That’s unfortunate if we talk about rivalries.

    Now if we were talking about Liverpool and Man United the hate is spread much more evenly between both sets of fans. They despise and hate each other in equal measure.

    Same can’t be said of Arsenal-Man Utd.

  24. Goobergooner

    Hey Ishola. Hope you’re having a good day.

    I always like reading what you have to say.

    Very fair call on the rivalries. Who do you see as our main rivals atm?

  25. steve

    Lol what a disingenuous prick Pierre is. Using a 4 year timeframe for Arsenal and only a 3 year timeframe for Man City just so he can leave out the league title they won. What a cunt.

  26. Dissenter

    Victorious
    “Giroud will be nuts to reject the move to Dortmund, a perfect chance to stake his claim for a world cup spot and even play in the champions league”

    You don’t know Dortmund have dropped to Europa league?

  27. PhD07

    PierreJanuary 23, 2018 09:29:58
    The common theme on here and keeps getting repeated is that sanchez left The Arsenal because he wanted to win trophies.As Joseph (1886not1996) has assured us that jose won the league cup and Europa cup which he admits are TROPHIES then surely, unless I missed something, sanchez won 2 TROPHIES whilst at Arsenal football club and if he had stayed would probably have had more chance of winning another TROPHY as we are one home game away from another final and as our record is 100% at Wembley in recent years I would say we have a decent chance of winning the league cup, which is, of course, a TROPHY as Joseph (1886not1996) has kindly reminded us.
    —————–

    Where is the emergency services?

    This is what this blog is reduced to?

    No,wonder the club is in the state that is,with fans like the above..

    With every post you make,I slash myself a thousand times..

    Totally horrific..

    Pierre,you make self harming a hobby/sport..

  28. Ishola70

    Goobergooner
    ” Hope you’re having a good day. I always like reading what you have to say. Very fair call on the rivalries. Who do you see as our main rivals atm?”

    Thank you sir. Likewise.

    Just Spurs. That’s it.

  29. Ishola70

    In other news had no idea that the House Of Gonzaga fell into such sordid decline that they sold their fine works of art to fund their sexual desires for she-dwarves.

  30. TonyD

    Steve
    That’s Pierre’s mantra to always massage stats or twist a narrative to his self serving AKB message.

    Everything is about past glories and never about the future with him.

    Then when the argument is lost out comes the insults in various guises.

    I find it simpler to skip his posts due to boredom of his regurgitation, such as saying Sanchez lost the ball 35 times and 3 FA cups in 4 years.

    As I said before the AKB’s days are numbered along with Wenger’s.

    Black Hei
    I respect your thinking.

  31. Dissenter

    Arsenal have placed Giroud in a very tough spot.
    Dortmund are insisting that he’s part of the deal to get Aubameyang. If Giroud refuses then there are many Wengerbots that will blame him if the Aubameyang deal collapses.

    What if the lad doesn’t want to go off in winter to Germany? He has a young family to think about.

  32. Ishola70

    Dissenter:
    “Arsenal have placed Giroud in a very tough spot.
    Dortmund are insisting that he’s part of the deal to get Aubameyang. If Giroud refuses then there are many Wengerbots that will blame him if the Aubameyang deal collapses.”

    Could be a smokescreen and for Arsenal to say well we tried.

    Dortmund want 70m apparently for Auba.

    Heard Arsenal bid 50 then improved offer of 50.

    Why not just pay out the 70.

    Giroud is not even suited to them after having a completely different style striker all these years in Auba.

    I think Arsenal are throwing Giroud under the bus. They don’t want to pay out but will happily blame and put out that Giroud fvcked up the deal.

    Fishy to me.

  33. Dissenter

    Sending Giroud on loan will be an insult. It has to be an outright sale or nothing,
    Don’t treat the lad like that. He turned down Everton in the summer to stay with Arsenal. We were both Europa league teams at the time.

    Tell Dortmund to go suck on a lemon. They can keep their unhappy player till the summer. They know why no one else is vying for his signature.
    We have to be careful not to give up too much. It’s just Arsenal in negotiation, NO OTHER CLUB wants Aubemayang as at today.

  34. Pierre

    Goobergooner
    “Pierre being disingenuous as usual,”

    Steve
    “Lol what a disingenuous prick Pierre is.”

    Oh well, apparently I am disingenuous (good word) for being truthful in saying that city, despite spending hundreds of millions, have only won one league cup in 3 years and is evidence of how difficult it is to win trophies…ask spurs and Liverpool fans who have not celebrated their teams winning trophies for maybe 10 years….

    Oops there I am being disingenuous again for not quoting the same amount of years for each team.

  35. HighburyLegend

    “It’s a dream come true because I’ve always dreamed of playing for Arsenal,”
    “I’m very happy to be here.”

    That’s nice and sweet from you Mikki, even if it’s not totally true. 😉

  36. Dissenter

    Ishola
    We used to be the “classy”club with all the “values”
    I know Giroud wants to get game but surely he has to have a say in all this.

    Wenger really made poor decision after poor decision. He’s set up a domino effect that’s going to require a lot of disentangling. Hopefully, the club can start cleaning up after him while he’s still acting like he’s still king.

  37. PhD07

    Don’t worry,we will soon have Emirates Stroller gracing our mortal shores..

    To no doubt,regale us with his long winded scolls of how Arsenal was built..
    Let’s get the stone tablets out…

    Of how,he is financially endowed..

    Of how,”I’ll wave it in your face-I have two season tickets,therefore I’m a bonafide supporter.”Despite the fact,he wants Arsene out?

    Go figure..?

    He detests corrupt foreign people,especially those with money.
    But happy to accept,the current corrupt regime,that fleeces the fans for neigh on a decade?

    Go figure?

    States the obvious from like 2008..
    Arsene must go..

    But claims it is, his vision as of 2018…

    Go figure?

    Call’s Sanchez a mercenary and claims his agent was about moving Sanchez on a continuous cycle to extort,or make money in agent fees..?!!

    When in fact Sanchez had been at the following clubs for:-
    -Udinese 2006-2011
    -Barcelona for 2011-2014
    -Arsenal for 2014-2018

    Where is the extortion?
    Go figure?

    Total disingenuous prick..

  38. Dissenter

    The people moaning about Alexis statements must be children. What did you expect him to say?

    Alexis behaviors were 100% foreseeable in the summer.
    Majority of the clowns now cussing him out insisted that he would continue to play with the same intensity and his output wouldn’t decline if we kept him against his will. YOU WERE WRONG.
    Alexis was supposed to be the not-too-bright boy who “just wants to play” like a foal playing in the sun. It turns out, he’s smarter than you all and got even better deal than what city offered him in the summer.
    Had he gone to city, he would have been called a gate crasher, instead he chose a bigger club with an ongoing project as well as MORE money.
    He won, you all lost so deal with it and move on.

  39. peanuts&monkeys

    Your Auba pursuit will and shd end in a meltdown sooner than later. That said, even if the chap comes in there’s going to be no change at Arsene FC. Your manager and the AKBs will ensure Arsenal languishes for 22 more years. The Arsenal of 1998’s is charred beyond recognition

  40. Uwot?

    Sorry isolated .have to pull u up there re manure & arsenal fans.i have never once met a manure fan who doesn’t hate arsenal as much as our hatred for them.it goes way back.early days of Fergie.he’s been quoted as saying the rivalry stems from their history vs ours.(of course that is obviously less so now)Keane has appeared on tv proclaiming the same.and let me tell u where I’m from,norn iron,manure fans are like flies.millions of em.they hate us with a vengeance.trust me.

  41. raptora

    Dissenter,
    Re Giroud, there’s something Pedro has posted on his twitter. https://twitter.com/mattspiro/status/940331122612981765

    Giroud asked by L’Equipe 21 if he’ll soon leave Arsenal: ‘I’ll ask myself the question again in January. That’s for sure. Loan could be best solution. But I don’t know if #Arsenal would want that’
    ‘If I didn’t leave in summer it’s also because of the (lack of attractive) opportunities’. L’Equipe 21, in long Giroud doc, say he was very close to joining Dortmund, but move fell through as Aubameyang stayed. Never wanted Everton or Marseille.
    Giroud: ‘At the moment I’m managing to play regularly. I think I’ve even had more playing time than Alex Lacazette, despite fact I’m not starting in the league’

    So Auba and Giroud switch was talked over back in the summer I guess. He sounds very okay with going on a loan and to Dortmund. Sucks because I like the boy and I’m sure he would have played in at least half the games recently because of Lacazette’s lackluster performances. Ideal would have been to get Auba, move Lacazette, keep Giroud but if he’s okay with a loan, then let it be.

  42. Dissenter

    Pierre
    “Giroud going would be a positive for arsenal… Ramsey next.. Happy days.”

    You’re a very disingenuous hypocrite
    You’re okay with throwing players out the garbage chute but you’ll moan all day like a gutted pig when they exercise their right to get the best possible deal.
    It cuts both ways you know.

    You want Ramsey gone , don’t you?
    How about we throw your Demi-god out through the bomb hatch at 50,000 feet?

  43. Tomtom

    So Wenger wants Welbeck to stay.
    What does a player need to do in order for Wenger to let him go?
    I know, be our top player and score plenty of goals, Wenger will want you out

  44. PhD07

    DissenterJanuary 23, 2018 11:37:45
    The people moaning about Alexis statements must be children. What did you expect him to say?Alexis behaviors were 100% foreseeable in the summer.
    Majority of the clowns now cussing him out insisted that he would continue to play with the same intensity and his output wouldn’t decline if we kept him against his will. YOU WERE WRONG.
    Alexis was supposed to be the not-too-bright boy who “just wants to play” like a foal playing in the sun. It turns out, he’s smarter than you all and got even better deal than what city offered him in the summer.
    Had he gone to city, he would have been called a gate crasher, instead he chose a bigger club with an ongoing project as well as MORE money.
    He won, you all lost so deal with it and move on.

    ———————

    One of the few bloggers with common sense and tells it as it is..

    To be honest,you are one of the few that, maintains my interest in this blog..

    I hear you all the way..

    Keep doing you.. 🙂

  45. Relieable Sauce

    I’m sure they could flog Wilshire to City for a nominal fee, or straight swap for Delph.
    Could also get a top price selling OG to Chelsea. Good move for the big fella.

  46. steve

    Rambo RamseyJanuary 23, 2018 10:11:39
    The love-in for Sanchez is sickening. He’s went there and come out with shit like ‘Hairs on my back stand up when I see the United badge’ and other bollocks about the color of their shirt. Ridiculous things to say after being employed by their rival club for 3 and a half years. A complete wanker.

    ___

    Lolololol you seem really hurt. Like a bitter ex. Notice how it’s the Wenger groupies who seem most upset?

  47. Emiratesstroller

    I see that once again Phd07 has reappeared on Le Grove. He is one of three
    people who have posted on here that I detest.

    Apart from RT he is another person who has absolutely nothing productive to
    offer.

  48. Wallace

    Dissenter

    “Had he gone to City, he would have been called a gate crasher, instead he chose a bigger club with an ongoing project as well as MORE money.”

    ‘bigger club’? Alexis is 29yrs old. IF he had the choice then City is the only team winning anything big the next few years. especially if Mourinho extends.

  49. Elmo

    All this talk of Giroud being loaned.

    Unless there is a BIG loan fee, then letting him go on loan is the same as letting him leave for nothing.

    He is 31 and a half; he’s only got a year, or two max, before he will be a full-on Crouch-style niche late sub. If he comes back to the club in two years, he will have no value.

    Bearing in mind some clubs might have paid £20m+ for him in the summer, if we loan him out for two years the loan fee has to be at least £10m per year. Selling him makes much more sense.

  50. Rambo Ramsey

    ‘The people moaning about Alexis statements must be children.’

    If you are gonna pose the adult, atleast direct your comment to the person you want to take shots at.

    Steve

    ‘Like a bitter ex.’

    Better than a useless troll, eh rentboy?

  51. Emiratesstroller

    Elmo

    1. Giroud could have left Arsenal in summer, but chose to stay at Arsenal and fight for his place.

    2. He has failed to secure a starting place in team for EPL games and has been
    advised by French National Coach to leave Arsenal if he wants to secure place
    for World Cup.

    3. Sending him out to Borussia Dortmund on loan until end of season will not
    be prejudicial, because he has still one more year under contract.

    4.Aubameyang will obviously be guaranteed a first team place and Arsenal will still have option of two goalscoring strikers on books

    5. Both Aubameyang and Lacazette offer Arsenal more flexibility in our starting formation. Giroud is an old fashioned target man, but can play nowhere
    else.

    6. Arsenal have too many forwards on their books at moment with Welbeck
    and Iwobi also seeking places in team and with Peres out on loan.

  52. Danny S

    I can honestly see us becoming a better TEAM with sanchez gone.

    Wenger gave him far too much free reign around the pitch and yes he got goals and a few assists, but he also squandered much of the ball and we can to rely on him.
    I honestly think he will piss a lot of united players off with his style of play as there are a lot more egos in that team, hence why he didn’t really shine at barca.

  53. mysticleaves

    “Add to this, he wanted to be amongst winners/leaders and it sort of all makes sense.”

    Please what has Man Utd won post Fergie? Who are these winners and who are these leaders?

  54. mysticleaves

    Wenger up to something. Hes hurt by the changes in the club regarding transfers. It’s no longer done his way so he’s not quick to give his honest opinions now…maybe in hope that the opposite clubs will get mad and pull the plug on potential deals.

    This could be a way of telling Stan that his ways were always the best. Except Raul and Misilintat to be fired in June.

    That old bsatard always wins. sigh

  55. Redtruth

    Wenger should have gone 10 years yet Emiraresstroller has only now just figured out Wenger should be ejected.

    This shows the decline in intelligence of the average supporter.

  56. Jamie

    Make no bones about it, Alexis is top drawer. We are undoubtedly a worse team without him.

    Whether he regains his previous seasons’ form at Utd remains to be seen, but it’s a fairly safe bet, imo.

    He’s a workhorse with immense skill, and he’ll fit right into a Mourinho setup. A defender and a CM in the summer and they’ll challenge for the title next season for sure.

    Even with Auba, we’re so far off the standard. We need at least a CB, a RWB/RB to challenge Bellerin, a GK to replace Cech, a CDM, and a Santi-style CM. No chance Wenger addresses even half of these squad deficiencies in the summer.

    Wenger out.

  57. Redtruth

    Wenger should have gone 10 years ago yet Emiraresstroller has only now just figured out Wenger should be ejected.This shows the decline in intelligence of the average supporter.

  58. Redtruth

    Sanchez sees the FA Cup more wooden spoon than trophy and the same goes for the League Cup which is why he didn’t hang around to compete in the Semi-Final…

  59. victorious

    Red

    But yesterday you claimed he would likely win the F.A cup for Man United… so I guess it’s F.A cup for United but when Arsenal win it,its “wooden spoon”

    you couldn’t be more far from the point.lol

  60. Bamford10

    Pierre

    Not all trophies are equal. The FAC does not equal the PL or CL. Stop making stupid fucking arguments. Footballers want to compete for big things, not the FAC, the league cup or the community shield, ffs.

  61. Bamford10

    Wenger tells the media that despite Arsenal’s pursuit of Aubameyang, Arsenal should still focus on developing younger players rather than buying talent.

    Alexanderhenry will tell us that this is Kroenke talking, not Wenger.

    Wenger is definitely being sidelined by the new football brains. I love it.

    Fuck off, Wenger! ASAP.

  62. Bamford10

    That United and City are more likely than Arsenal to compete for and/or win big things in the near future is so obvious it need not even be stated.

    Anyone here arguing otherwise is a dishonest twat.

  63. Marko

    I can’t imagine a lot of companies bending over to get themselves affiliated with the Manchester United of today. How many will want to renew their sponsorship deals?

    Are you for real? Fergie was gone before you got Chevrolet spending a fuck tonne of money just to sponsor their training kit. Their brand hasn’t waned at all. Even if they went a few years without challenging for the league they were signing star players with the intention of competing in the future. Besides we’ve been worse longer than United and our revenues haven’t dropped off a cliff so why should theirs

  64. Elmo

    Stroller

    If Giroud is surplus to requirements, then sell him, rather than loaning him.

    If we have no use for him with PEA incoming, and he would refuse to sign for a ‘lesser’ PL side, then let Dortmund buy him for a knock-down price like £12-15m. What’s the point in being the club holding a player when their value drops to nothing, when you have no further use for them and there is interest from outside?

  65. graham62

    Martin Keown will always go down as an Arsenal legend as far as I’m concerned.

    Combative, competitive, committed. The ultimate warrior.

    As a pundit though he is too wishy washey. Often sitting on the fence regarding AFC, never quite prepared to stick the knife in and give it a good old twist.

    Openly calling Sanchez a mercenary is way off the mark. Maybe Keown’s regular visits to the Emirates to have tea and cake with Wenger have taken their toll. It’s amazing what a few fringe benefits can do to a person.

    One thing is for sure, Keown would never have tolerated the Arsenal regime of the past ten years. He would have upped and left, just as Sanchez has done, because that’s what real winners do.

  66. Marko

    The common theme on here and keeps getting repeated is that sanchez left The Arsenal because he wanted to win trophies.

    Major honours yes Pierre. Like the league which we haven’t won in 14 years or the champions league which we’ve never won. You do realize that we haven’t competed for the league title in over a decade yeah? You never seem to acknowledge that

  67. victorious

    What do Red,Steve and Highbury have in common? outside the fact they are ‘complete plonkers’,’knuckle draggers ‘,’absolute mugs’, These ‘shameless trolls also have time to come on here everyday and ruin the comment section.cunts

  68. Emiratesstroller

    Elmo

    The point is that Borussia appear to want Giroud as part of deal but on loan this season.

    There is of course nothing to stop both reaching an agreement to loan him for rest of season with an option for Borussia to buy him.

    Obviously Borussia want to plug a hole in their squad if they are obliged to let
    Aubameyang go. There are currently very few replacements available without
    spending mega bucks.

  69. Frankie Coffeecakes

    I fail to understand the behaviour of some on this site. You do recognize that for the second time in recent memory that Arsenal (Wenger and Gazidis) have sold their best player to a hated rival in ManU? Not once, but twice and still some of you can only say that at least we got something for Sanchez.

    You know you have serious problems at a club when the above event repeats itself and by the same people. I don’t know how anyone that is a supporter of Arsenal Football Club cannot be anything other than angry and disappointed today.

    This has been botched horrifically by the club and any attempts to save face by besmirching the character of Alexis is nothing more than a typical response that we’ve all been far too accustomed to for far too long under Arsene Wenger.

    As Arsenal supporters we deserve far better than this nonsense. You lost your best player to your hated rival for one simple reason, you couldn’t match his ambition and resolve. There can be little doubt that this is a period of shame for a once great franchise that will only get worse come end of season and more contracts expire. Such negligence on display, or as you correctly call it Pedro, gross incompetence from Wenger, Gazidis and the Board.

    Anyone that doesn’t feel more than disappointed today…Wow.

  70. Marko

    ask spurs and Liverpool fans who have not celebrated their teams winning trophies for maybe 10 years….

    We went 10 years too not too long ago Pierre. Never forget

  71. graham62

    B10

    Pierre/victorious/Uri Geller and the sorely missed N9, are only in it to incite frustration and anger.

    For them, it’s just a game.

    Just play along with them and give them the occasional sarcastic slap on the back, just to keep the ball rolling.

    The amazing thing is, they actually think we value their input.

    LOL!

  72. Bob

    Mirror:
    Juventus have admitted to doubts about signing Liverpool midfielder Emre Can, who is out of contract in the summer.

    So maybe the juve rumours for wilshere are true.

  73. Jacko

    Selling our star player to a direct rival does seem a typical Wenger window.

    BUT

    The other language being used by Wenger definitely seems different to the usual deflating crap he spouts like ” we will only buy if we can find better than what we have” or “one or two top, top quality” etc.

    Regarding Auba, he is quoted today as saying “You never know how close you are. At the moment it’s one of the possible movements, but we have other things in mind as well.

    “We have plenty of opportunities in different positions. The final decision is not made”.

    I mean, he almost sounds like a normal manager there.

    Maybe he is desperate to save face or just maybe he is being guided in a new direction by the new Chaps. Fingers crossed it’s the latter.

    Transfer windows are meant to be exciting and it would be great to enjoy, not dread them once again.

    I’m not holding my breath but this window is more intriguing than most.

  74. victorious

    “Utd aren’t winning the PL anytime
    soon. you all got a feeling for them
    for the Champions League?”

    I agree,even with $anchez they still don’t have what it takes,you look at the Man city side and you see a huge gulf in class.

    In Europe you have PSG who will wipe the floor with them if they meet,there is Barca,Madrid and Bayern and you begin to wonder what the United lovers on here are smoking?

  75. Bamford10

    Frankie

    It’s even worse elsewhere. People claiming Sanchez is only a mercenary or that he isn’t that good anyways. Ridiculous. Here most are just trying to see some positives in a bad situation.

  76. PhD07

    EmiratesstrollerJanuary 23, 2018 13:23:01
    ElmoThe point is that Borussia appear to want Giroud as part of deal but on loan this season.There is of course nothing to stop both reaching an agreement to loan him for rest of season with an option for Borussia to buy him.Obviously Borussia want to plug a hole in their squad if they are obliged to let
    Aubameyang go. There are currently very few replacements available without
    spending mega bucks.
    ———————

    There speaks the voice of authority…

    Watch and behold..

    We are to be damned by his historical knowledge..

    I call to thee,bow down,bow down,for we are not worthy of your prehistoric knowledge..

    We bow,before your wealth,we acknowledge your 2 Arse tickets..

    I am wealthy,I am wealthy..Do you heareth?

    Bow for me…

  77. Bamford10

    Victorious

    Of course United aren’t going to win the CL any time soon. They’re still further along than we are.

    Why do you lot continue to make obviously dishonest arguments?

    Just admit it: Sanchez left for a bigger club which at moment has a better manager and more ambition.

    At least things seem to be changing at Arsenal.

  78. Frankie Coffeecakes

    There are very few positives to be found these days with respects to Arsenal, Bamford. Optimism is all that anyone can have because reality is painting a cruel picture.

  79. victorious

    “Just admit it: Sanchez left for a
    bigger club which at moment has a
    better manager and more
    ambition.”

    Almost thought you were refering to Man city here,….oops how wrong was I..you mean the Boringho team who Mikki just confessed he couldn’t wait to get out from

  80. Dissenter

    Wallace
    You don’t think United are a bigger club than Arsenal? They are undoubtedly a bigger club that city. Even Arsenal are bigger that city, 20 Guardiolas won’t change that.
    You have reputation here as a honest broker don’t ruin it.

  81. GunnerDNA

    In my opinion, Alexis Sanchez joined Man United because of the exorbitant salary they were willing to pay him. Man United knew City was his first choice because he would be earning more money than he was at Arsenal , had a chance to compete for 4 trophies and Man United only chance of him joining them was to pay him massive wages. Resulting in Pep walking away because of the change of demands from his agent in regards to his salary. In reality he joined United primarily because of MONEY. He is gone now, if he is replaced by Mkhitaryan and PEA its hard to complain because the team is stronger, irrespective of who is the manager.

  82. Dissenter

    It seems we are bring in Auba to replicate Alexis goals and Mikki to possibly match the assists Alexis gave to the team.
    They keep talking about Alexis giving away the ball but forget that before his head was turned he was an assist machine.
    It will take two players to fill the void of the Alexis of 2014-2017. This year his form PREDICTABLY went downhill.

  83. victorious

    Mikki takes the number 7,I hope he replicates the Chilean’s hunger and determination but not the tendency to “sulk” when things go wrong

    Also thought that wudda been Auba’s idea number,guess number 14 will do then,maybe then he could replicate the great Thierry Henry’s record

  84. PhD07

    Wallace,is that kid in the corner that wanks himself off till eternity.
    Because he knows deep down,he won’t ever get a girlfriend.,or the last dance.
    So settles for a tumultuous wankfest over teletubbies till adulthood.

  85. 1886not1996

    Pierre

    Completely missing the point as usual

    Jose’s first year he wins the Europa , which by any way you look at it, is a tier below the Pl and CL.

    He wins the league cup as an accessory

    A double.

    A fa cup is an accessory for big teams while they compete for and win the PL/CL

    Fa Cup by itself is not a successful season for a top club

    Think Jose was happy with Europa and league cup? Doubt it

    Was Wenger happy with fa cup. He probably partied as if he did his zipper up

    Man U fired their manager after winning the fa cup.

    We gave ours a new 2 year deal after he went over the heads of his bosses and grovelled like a little bitch to kronke to give him a new deal

    There is your snake and wanker. Not Sanchez.

    So sorry Pierre. 3 fa cups in 4 years is not success for a club like Arsenal. 3rd tier trophy that even C’ship clubs make 8 changes for matches.

    Disengenious is the perfect word to describe you.

    Man U is still the biggest club in the world.

    Also Pierre “purs and Liverpool fans who have not celebrated their teams winning trophies for maybe 10 years”

    We also went 10 years Pierre. And both those teams have competed for the league title in that period and Liverpool won a Cl just before.

    Why are you comparing us to spurs? We are a much club bigger club then them. We just don’t act like it because of Wenger.

    For them to win he fa cup, top 4 is over achievement. For us it’s bare minimum

    We should be aiming for 1st place and challenging for the CL

    We have failed under Wenger for over a decade while he earns 8-10m

    But yeah Sanchez is the greedy wanker and cunt

    Our fan base is pathetic.

    Can’t wait for Wenger to leave and half the fan base leaves with him

  86. 1886not1996

    Wallace

    Man U will win the title next season or come very very close.

    And they will challenge for CL

    Us with Wenger? We will be fighting for 6th again with the mighty Burnley and Leicester city.

    But yes, Sanchez is a greedy wanker. Don’t understand why he left Wenger and arsenal. I mean 23 points back! And we have iwobi and wellbeck. And Ramsey!

  87. Emiratesstroller

    I have not suggested that Arsenal will do a loan deal with Giroud going to
    Borussia, although many commentators say it is possible.

    Elneno suggested that he would prefer to sell Giroud now for £20 million than
    loan him out for two years.

    The problem there is twofold. First Borussia need a replacement so if Giroud
    is the person they want then it would make sense to making a deal that serves
    all three parties best.

    Second it is not possible that Arsenal loan Giroud for 2 years as Elneno has
    suggested, because his contract expires in June 2019.

    Clearly the most likely deal if there is an exchange is for Giroud to go to
    Borussia until end of season on loan with an agreed option to buy.

    That is more or less the deal that Arsenal agreed when loaning out Peres.

    As I said Arsenal need to replace Sanchez with another goalscorer. We have
    already lost Walcott and Sanchez in this transfer window and both scored
    collectively 44 goals in all competitions last season.

    On current evidence Lacazette is not going to close that void on his own. Welbeck and Iwobi are unlikely to add many goals.

  88. GunnerDNA

    It seems like Alexis was a problem child, no Arsenal player took the time out yet to say goodbye to him, which is a bit strange.

  89. Dissenter

    Wenger speaking about Welbeck; “I want Danny to stay here,”

    We’ve sold out best two of our best three strikers – Sanchez and Walcott
    We are negotiating the exit of the third forward – Giroud
    Yet Wenger wants Welbeck, the worst attacker on the team to stay.

    Sell Welbeck and give Eddie Nketiah his chance as back-up. The incubation period is over for Welbeck and we know hes’ not a striker.

    I don’t even know why Welbeck is still hanging around, doesn’t he want to make the WC squad?

  90. PhD07

    EmiratesstrollerJanuary 23, 2018 14:17:41
    —————–

    Bore off..You clog up the blogsphere..

    Not even for a week..But for eternity..

    Don’t you get tired writing scrolls upon scrolls..?

    A proportion of us,are vehemently tired by your nonsensical crap.

    Take a trip to Siberia..
    Might do you some good..

  91. Redtruth

    Legrove is only as strong as it’s blogs creator and Peter does attract buffoons like Pierre, Emiratesstroller and victorious to come on board with his AKB’s lite posts…..

  92. Dissenter

    “It seems like Alexis was a problem child, no Arsenal player took the time out yet to say goodbye to him, which is a bit strange”
    A quck google search ought to have convinced you that you’re peddling untruths.

    He was allowed to train with the squad on Friday so that he could formally bid them farewell. That was widely reported.
    Xhaka and several others put up posts on social media to say goodbye.

  93. HighburyLegend

    “several others put up posts on social media to say goodbye”…
    And wish him to score many goals against us of course – I’m sure he will do without any mercy lol

  94. PhD07

    RedtruthJanuary 23, 2018 14:34:48
    Emiratesstroller’s self imposed expulsion didn’t last long…lol
    ——————–
    Didn’t you know-He’s self-sustainable??!!

  95. HighburyLegend

    But I guess he didn’t even offer them a beer… what a f*cking tightfisted lol
    (After all, he and kim jong weng have more in common than you might think.)

  96. PhD07

    RedtruthJanuary 23, 2018 14:34:48
    Emiratesstroller’s self imposed expulsion didn’t last long…lol
    ————————–
    He’s the two season ticket-self sustainable dude.That want’s Arsene out?!!

    Go figure?

  97. Emiratesstroller

    The reason that I detest both RT and PhD07 is that all they manage ever to do
    when posting here is their lack of respect for other posters and constant abuse.

    Furthermore there is absolutely nothing constructive or remotely intelligent in what they ever write. They both have the same thing in common, which is
    to write negatively on almost every topic.

    There are hundreds of posters on Le Grove with a variety of opinions about the club. They may disagree violently about how the club is run, the players
    recruited, the failure to win titles and of course the career of Wenger and his
    impact on the club. However, they are in most cases prepared to engage in
    a dialogue.

    I made the case long ago that these two characters should be binned or if not
    then Pedro should at least provide us with the option to “ignore their posts”.
    That option applies incidentally to me as well if people don’t like what I write.

  98. graham62

    Now that’s a front three that I’d like to see playing for Arsenal.

    Pierre -victorious – ES

    Cloned to perfection, all ready for Mr Wenger.

  99. raptora

    To throw the opportunity to play for the ultra exciting, mega talented, top quality, supremely managed, bound to win things City team. With Guardiola at the helm. A man who is considered the very best in his job. His teams always playing top football. Who is breaking record after record in no time after arriving in a new league. Person bound to win. With class also. Team that people are talking around the world for as the next best thing for years to come. The exciting project under Pep has absolutely slaughtered the EPL like no one has ever done before thus far. Well on his way to win the 7-th league title in his 9-th managerial season.

    On the other side is mouninho with one league title in 6 years. United with no league title in 5 years. Mouninho a manager who gets overthrown by his own players. Sets his team up to defend versus bottom sides.

    I could keep going on and on.

    I know if I was had to choice to pick a team to join I would pick City every day of the week. What if they pay less though. Well I’ve never said that winning trophies is my priority. Someone else did.

  100. PhD07

    EmiratesstrollerJanuary 23, 2018 14:41:49

    ——————————————-
    Exactly,this what I mean..A guy that has two season “perpetual” Arsenal tickets that costs -how much-£1500-£4000?
    Goes running to a blogger to have posters he’s never met before banned?
    Based on a few choice words,that sits uncomfortably with him..

    That’s the kind of Arsenal fan,one is dealing with,at the majority level.

  101. graham62

    In 2006 we were the second best team in Europe.

    Since this time we have slipped, on average, 2/3 positions down the European league table each season.

    We are out of the CL, will not win the EL and lie 6th in the EPL.

    Yep, we are officially a second tier club.

    Good luck Alexis!

  102. Dissenter

    raptora
    “To throw the opportunity to play for the ultra exciting, mega talented, top quality, supremely managed, bound to win things City team. With Guardiola at the helm. A man who is considered the very best in his job. His teams always playing top football. Who is breaking record after record in no time after arriving in a new league. Person bound to win. With class also. Team that people are talking around the world for as the next best thing for years to come. The exciting project under Pep has absolutely slaughtered the EPL like no one has ever done before thus far. Well on his way to win the 7-th league title in his 9-th managerial season”

    You keep talking and talking and talking ….to infinity
    Yet you don’t seem to realize that wait…..[drum roll]…..ALEXIS HAS PLAYED FOR GUARDIOLA BEFORE. Wasn’t Guardiola the manager who brought him from Udinese then barely played him?

    What part of self-determination don’t you get? He’s made his choice and moved on. Who are you to judge what he decide to do with his fleeting career?

    When you’re not peddling refereeing conspiracy theories, you’re engaging in Sanchez-o-phobia.

    Gawd you’re such a bore.

  103. HighburyLegend

    “Now that’s a front three that I’d like to see playing for Arsenal.
    Pierre -victorious – ES
    Cloned to perfection, all ready for Mr Wenger.”

    Ah ah ah.

  104. PhD07

    Sanchez goes with my blessings..Under a different manager,what could have truly been at Arsenal..

    I’m beyond sick…

  105. OleGunner

    Bamford 10,

    Cheers for that!

    Graham 62 said:

    “Openly calling Sanchez a mercenary is way off the mark. Maybe Keown’s regular visits to the Emirates to have tea and cake with Wenger have taken their toll. It’s amazing what a few fringe benefits can do to a person.”

    I mean even some journalists are on record saying they are very well pampered at the training ground and press briefings, which is part of the reason they don’t take Wenger to task for fear of losing access and the nice benefits to covering the Arsenal beat.

    They don’t call it the London Colney creche for nothing haha
    We should never expect old Wenger loyalists or the press to ever take the old man or the board to task for all they fucked up performances or asinine decisions they make.

    It’s always gonna be on us fans to call out the bullshit loud and clear as is (which is hard enough itself with the fan base split.)

  106. HighburyLegend

    “Yep, we are officially a second tier club.”
    Well, it’s been a while now… were you on Mars ?!?

    “Good luck Alexis!”
    And a little blowjob as a free bonus ??

  107. Wallace

    Dissenter

    “Wallace
    You don’t think United are a bigger club than Arsenal? They are undoubtedly a bigger club that city. Even Arsenal are bigger that city, 20 Guardiolas won’t change that. You have reputation here as a honest broker don’t ruin it.”

    posters keep saying Alexis left to win things. if that was the case he goes to City, not Utd. if he was 25 then fair enough, Utd have more money than anyone, but he’s 29, with maybe 2yrs left at the very top. Utd aren’t finishing ahead of City while Pep’s there.