Podcast: How does Wenger win the fans back?

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I just finished a pitch. 4 weeks of monster days. We knocked out a podcast, and that’s about all I’m going to bother myself with today.

I hope you enjoy it, I’ll be back with some Arsenal goodness tomorrow.

BIG LOVE.

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  1. Pierre

    Arsenaesiafraud

    Not ignore just prefer to watch the football and celebrate winning trophies unlike the anti-Wenger obsessives.

  2. graham62

    Elmo

    Good morning

    “those AKB zealots” as you put it, are too set in their ways(and seats)to “walk away from the club” and yet, when Wenger does finally leave, they will all be shouting from the roof tops “i told you so, ####OFF WENGER!”

    It makes me sick to think that these same individuals will still be patrolling the Emirates when we are ‘Wenger free’.

  3. TitsMcGee

    Hard to imagine fans of an NFL franchise tolerating their board/CEO coming out and admitting that they are happy with an 8-8 record and that the fans should be happy because our net spend indicates that we are overachieving.

    A few things would result:

    1. Very poor attendance.
    2. Said CEO would be under fire from all angles.(current and former players and the media).

    We literally are the worst “big” club in the world and have the weakest fan base by many many miles.

  4. HighburyLegend

    @Tits : I once saw a documentary about Kroenke, with fans from an NFL franchise he once owned, they were giving their opinion about him, and it was clearly “good ridance, please keep him in England for ever”.

  5. ArseneisaFraud

    Pierre

    Don’t you think that if AW actually made a greater effort in ensuring that he had more modern backroom staff, that he accepted having a DoF to help him out stop dithering on who to buy or not and if he actually had a vision of how he wants the team to play, all through updating his antiquated training methods, that we actually could celebrate winning even more trophies than we have so far in the past 10 years?

    Because for me a manager who can’t be bothered to start a proven striker against the current top team in the PL, seems to me that he does not really want to win much in the first place.

  6. Wallace

    Tits

    “Hard to imagine fans of an NFL franchise tolerating their board/CEO coming out and admitting that they are happy with an 8-8 record and that the fans should be happy because our net spend indicates that we are overachieving.”

    8-8? we’ve never been worse than a 10-6. an 8-8 record would have us finishing 10th at best.

  7. graham62

    TitsMcGee

    Good morning

    Totally agree, we “have the weakest fan base” in world Football.

    It’s simple really –

    IT’S EITHER BLACK OR WHITE, YES OR NO, STAY OR GO!

    With our lily-livered lot its –

    THERE’S NO POINT ARGUING, BECAUSE NOTHING CAN BE DONE.

    JUST ACCEPT IT AND MOVE ON, OR SHOULD I SAY BACKWARDS?

    IT’S STAN’S FAULT.

    WHAT CAN WE DO? THEY’RE THE ONES WITH THE POWER.

    STOP DISRESPECTING WENGER, HE HAS BUILT THIS CLUB.

    TRUST IN ARSENE.

    YEH, WE AGREE WENGER IS TO BLAME, BUT YOU’VE STILL GOT TO SUPPORT THE LADS.

    It just goes on and on and on………………………

    What a load of delusional, weak-minded CROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    A total DISGRACE, the lot of them.

    Have a nice day. Where are you based in the States?

  8. graham62

    TitsMcGee

    There’s one of them @ 10:32, Mr ‘I LOVE MY STATISTICS’ PIERRE.

    Look at the definition of WIMP in the dictionary and it now states…………………..

    An Arsenal follower who lacks balls!

  9. raptora

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNeasviW4AAG8JL.jpg:large

    Makes me laugh so hard.

    KdB vs Liverpool – 2 assists: deadly through ball assist for the first goal in the game Aguero 1v1 vs Mignolet; inch perfect cross on Jesus’ head against the empty net.
    vs Chelsea – 1 solo goal: first and only in the game.
    vs Arsenal – 1 solo goal: first and decisive in the game.
    Has 4 more top assists.

    Meanwhile Ozil has a goal and an assist vs dead Everton and an assist vs Swansea. Look at the one vs the swans.

    http://arsenalist.com/f/2017-18/arsenal-vs-swansea/goaaal-kolasinac-1-1.html

    It literally describes him as a footballer and how he pumps his stats while and how in reality the stat “chances created” is a bull made up for people who cannot understand the game and how to access the overall influence of a player doesn’t mean to open a site and check his stats. It only takes to watch couple of games.

    Also lol at this: Mesut Ozil ‘demands Jack Wilshere’s No 10 shirt’ as part of deal to extend Arsenal career.

  10. graham62

    Stats mean zilch.

    Didn’t our German ‘legend’, Mr PM, have the highest pass completion rate in 2014-15.?

    The fact that he can’t run, anticipate, head the ball, show balls, tackle properly and is generally a massive liability, means nothing to an Accountant(or can I say non-Football brainiacs?)

  11. HighburyLegend

    “Mesut Ozil ‘demands Jack Wilshere’s No 10 shirt’ as part of deal to extend Arsenal career.”

    Is it serious ??

  12. Cesc Appeal

    The fact we’re even thinking of extending Ozil’s deal baffles me.

    But then we did extend Wenger’s, so literally anything is possible.

  13. TitsMcGee

    -8? we’ve never been worse than a 10-6. an 8-8 record would have us finishing 10th at best.”

    IF you look at top 4 as the equivalent of making the playoffs in the NFL then last season was certainly a 9-7 .

  14. arsene's used sock

    arsene’s main problem is that he’s forgotten that players are only world class on a temporary basis.
    we have no generational talents in our squad right now and if we do they certainly aren’t set up to perform.

  15. Bamford10

    Colin

    “So the campaign to get rid of this parasite must continue ,starting with the reintroduction of the banners home and away.”

    Agreed. The “Wenger out” protests should begin again.

  16. Bamford10

    Michael

    Actually, Kroenke is following the “template” (i.e., self-sustainability, trust in Arsene) laid down prior to his arrival. Every other relevant decision has been Arsene Wenger’s.

  17. Leedsgunner

    Under a decent manager, Özil would be a top player. The reason why Özil looks halfhearted and largely ineffectual in the big games is because he has been allowed to get away with it, by Wenger’s weak weak softly softly, mustn’t offend at any costs management.

    Wenger did the same with Arshavin and he got away with it when the club allowed the media to portray him as selfish and lazy because it took the heat off Wenger.

    Am I saying Özil completely blameless? No, but he is human. He is doing the bare minimum because it is tolerated by Wenger.

  18. Micheal

    Bamford
    Actually, Kroenke is following the “template” (i.e., self-sustainability, trust in Arsene) laid down prior to his arrival. Every other relevant decision has been Arsene Wenger’s.
    =======
    True, to a point. What happened in the past is relevant and we should learn from our mistakes. We haven’t.

    But what is happening today and what will happen for the foreseeable future is far more significant. Kroenke’s behaviour is inexcuable – regardless of the past.

  19. raptora

    http://mr-renoog-videos.blogspot.bg/2017/11/are-premier-league-referees-biased.html

    Interesting read.
    This is for the last 10 seasons.
    NPG = Non Penalty Goals

    AVG POINTS PENS as % of NPG
    1 Man Utd 79 9.12
    2 Chelsea 78 9.72
    3 Arsenal 74 7.14
    4 Man City 72 10.24
    5 Liverpool 68 9.89
    6 Spurs 66 8.57
    7 Everton 59 8.43
    8 Leicester 55 15.86
    9 Southampton 53 7.82
    10 Stoke 47 12.42
    11 Swansea 47 7.72
    12 West Ham 45 9.07
    13 Aston Villa 45 10.37
    14 Blackburn 45 12.98
    15 Fulham 44 9.68
    16 Newcastle 44 8.41
    17 Crystal Palace 44 15.89
    18 West Brom 43 10.4
    19 Wigan 40 11.11
    20 Bolton 40 8.91
    21 Sunderland 39 11.29
    22 Hull 34 10.84

  20. Bamford10

    Michael

    No offense, but what you’ve just said is a whole lot of nothing. In the present, every relevant decision is being made by Arsene Wenger.

    Every decision, that is, save one: whether to continue with Arsene Wenger. That decision is being made by Stan Kroenke.

    So yes, Kroenke is to blame for our still being led by Arsene Wenger; but Wenger is to blame for everything else.

  21. Bamford10

    Leeds

    I basically agree. While I am a critic of Ozil’s, I think he could have been a good player at Arsenal if we had deployed him as a genuine CAM playing just in front of two high-quality, all-action CMs. Instead, Wenger has played him as something like a withdrawn second forward and it has never, ever worked.

  22. Micheal

    Bamford
    No offense, but what you’ve just said is a whole lot of nothing. In the present, every relevant decision is being made by Arsene Wenger.
    ================
    I think you are missing the point, with respect. Wenger is a shit manager becacuse the Owner/Boss allows him to do as he pleases. Sure, Wenger takes the decisions – because he permitted to take the decisions.
    If you are in charge of a part of a larger business which is performing badly because you are shit manager, who is to blame for the bad business – you or the Owner/Boss who allows you to be a shit manager ?
    Wenger works for Kroenke.

  23. Leedsgunner

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrquP4U4Foc

    Lee Dixon — seeing the light at last… and speaking some home truths… the Q is — is anything at the club listening?

    The Emirates was supposed to be a symbol of our progress into the top echelons of modern football… all it has become is an ivory tower where Stan, Ivan, Arsene and Chips Keswick spend all their time congratulating each other for a job well done based on their own standards.

  24. Gunner2301

    Pedro

    Nothing about the paradise papers? Usmanov dealings with Moshiri over Everton ownership and that he may really own both us and Everton? If this gets investigate further by the PL Usmanov may have to walk away and were f***ed.

  25. graham62

    Michael

    “Wenger is a SHIT manager”. (Diplomatically put, has become a shit manager).

    Me thinks Wenger knows himself that he is a SHIT manager. Kroenke also knows that Wenger is a SHIT manager, as do the board and the supporters. Infact, everyone who knows anything about Football knows that Wenger is a SHIT manager, but SK won’t act on our SHIT manager until our dumbass fanbase get off their backsides and show some pride in the club.

  26. Dissenter

    Raptora
    We don’t get as many penalty kicks because we don’t play incisive offensive football that will panic defenders into committing fouls in the box.
    It’s easy to defend against Arsenal; two rows of players, kick them and foul them OUTSIDE the box,
    Simply put we don’t get penalties because we are shit.

  27. Dissenter

    This Kroenke vs Wenger debate is so annoying.
    Kroenke has given Wenger the keys. Wenger is the de-facto football administrator. Yes, Kroenke is not engaged and frankly clueless as to what success entails but it is Wenger who is “working 99% to make you happy”
    Kroenke is so enamored of Wenger that he let him flush 90 million down the toilet last summer.
    Kroenke deserves his blame but don’t ever use him as distraction to let Wenger off the hook.

  28. Dissenter

    Ozil is so unwanted by the major clubs.
    A team has to have spare money at hand to buy him because he is a luxury.
    The buying team also has to reconfigure their set-up to make 2-3 players contribute 110% to make up for the 20-30% deficit that Ozil brings to a team defensively.

    I’ve never seen a player touted as “the best number 10 in the world” be so unwanted that he has club actively trying to sign him even though he is leaving on a free.

    He will probably go to Bayern, they have to rebuild and he is a cheap risk.

  29. Leftsidesanch

    “The fault for this lies not just with the manager, but also with the players. They’ve been making simple mistakes and consequently allowing the opposition an easy ride. It has been a long time since I saw Arsenal play well from the first minute to the last — this is surely down to a crisis of confidence among the squad.

    “Arsenal’s problems are mostly mental, not technical. Motivation is a major problem for several of Arsenal’s players — it’s clear that they aren’t always giving 100 percent out there. When the chips are down, several of them keep going missing. Sometimes talent wins you games, but sometimes spirit is also vital.”

    – Petit

  30. Leftsidesanch

    There’s no balance in the side, they all look to go forward and are superior in doing that than defending and its been this way for years. It also hasn’t been rectified for years and you wonder why theres been no upturn in fortunes in the league and in europe.

  31. Dream10

    Leftsidesanch

    While there is some truth to what Petit said, many people vastly underestimtate our technical deficiencies. Everything we do is static these days. There is very little fluidity on the pitch and little creative ingenuity. The prevailing narrative is difficult to shake off.

  32. graham62

    Recent statistics on Wenger’s popularity.

    Q. Do you think Wenger is a competent manager?

    AGREE………………………………………………0%
    DISAGREE……………………………………….100%

    Q. Do you trust in Wenger?

    YES…………………………………………………….0%
    NO………………………………………………………100%

    Q. Do you want Wenger to leave?

    YES……………………………………………………100%
    NO……………………………………………………..0%

    Q. What’s 1+1?………………………………..

    2…………………………………………………………100%
    3………………………………………………………….0%

    SO WHAT’S THE ####### PROBLEM???

  33. Carts

    Dissenter

    In today’s market the initial financial outlay for Ozil, say in January, will be £25m, max.

    Next July it’ll probably be about £/€10m sign on fee + £/€180k In wages. So really not that much.

    However I agree with you on the fact that a system will have to be remodofied to suit him. Something not many teams may want to do.

  34. Cesc Appeal

    Another thing, how many top teams play with a pure No.10 anymore? As in a No.10 that just wants to No.10, that is a weak wet napkin, lazy, does not like the other side of the ball game, does not like physicality, literally just wants to create.

    Spurs don’t have one, City don’t have one, United don’t have one, Liverpool don’t have one, Chelsea don’t have one, Madrid don’t have one, Munich don’t have one, BvB don’t have one, PSG don’t have one, Barcelona don’t have one, Atletico don’t have one.

    Ozil is in every single way Wenger, not only in terms of being one dimensional, lazy, cowardly, bottling big occasions etc, but also in terms of being a relic really.

  35. Pierre

    Raptora
    Good link… Says it all really.. Confirms exactly what I was saying..

    Look forward to seeing part 2, which is penalties conceded and then you will see an even larger disparity.

  36. Paulinho

    “Everything we do is static these days. There is very little fluidity on the pitch and little creative ingenuity. The prevailing narrative is difficult to shake off.”

    It’s impossible to play quality possession football with a player like Xhaka that can only play on one side of the ball. Top teams break off into mini-triangles in midfield and to do that you need players that are comfortable making little runs ahead of the ball and receiving it with their back to the opponent’s goal. Xhaka can’t do that,and even players like Ozil can only do it against average sides. It’s no surprise our 07/08 side played great football because Fabregas, Hleb and Rosicky could do it against any type side, and any type of tactic. The 2006 team that reached the Champions League final had it as well. Madrid at the Bernabeu tried to rush us and Hleb, Fabregas, Ljungberg played through their bluster. This team – and other teams in recent years – collapse under that sort pressure.

  37. ArseneisaFraud

    “Everything we do is static these days. There is very little fluidity on the pitch and little creative ingenuity. The prevailing narrative is difficult to shake off.”

    It’s hilarious to say the least that the one thing Petit fails to say is that the one person who can change all is ….. AW. That’s what a manager should be making sure of.

  38. Pierre

    Leedsgunner
    Good link…
    Have to say, I agree with dixon’s analogy on the Arsenal so called “pressing” game… It emphasisis our lack of preparation off the field and lack of leadership on the field.

  39. Herb's Army

    If Arsenal fans chained themselves together all around the Emirates on a match-day and refused people entry so that they had to play to an empty stadium, I think they’d soon get the message, and you’d see how quick they were capable of taking action.
    Graham 62, you have a very valid point about Arsenal fans and how complicit they are in embracing the club’s decline and accepting mediocrity.
    Even measured against the tiny Tott’s, the club are an embarrassment.

  40. Herb's Army

    Highbury,
    Only if they’re breaking the law, and if there was heavy-duty police involvement, it is negative attention the club has to deal with.
    The pressure needs to be really ramped up against the parasites who are stealing our club away from us.

  41. Herb's Army

    It’s one thing to rant on a public forum, but unless any significant staff member at Arsenal dips into Le Grove to get a feel for the supporters mood (highly unlikely), it’s pissing in the wind. An extremely angry force hidden from view of the people who are the root cause, and who need to be made accountable for this whole sorry mess.
    Arsenal fans don’t have to accept this. Mobilise and rid the club of this poisonous cancer.

  42. graham62

    I am finding the ignorance of a few here on Le Grove intolerable. Statistics and discussions on subjects that are utterly pointless,drive me up the wall.

    My phrase of the day “NON-FOOTBALL BRAINIACS” applies to many and yet there are those of you, the majority, who totally get it. LOVE YOU GUYS AND GIRLS!

    I know my age and mindset goes against me. Those that found it insulting for me to highlight that fans attending games at the Emirates are a “disgrace”, made me realize one thing. POLITICAL CORRECTNESS has even consumed the game I love.

    Heated discussions/rants/and diverse opinions are what blogs should be all about. I know that sometimes I take it too far with my sarcasm and ‘old school’ principles/ rudeness, however,at the end of the day, when your dealing with individuals who have no concept of what loyalty and true respect for your team is all about, you know you are basically wasting your time.

    So, regrettably, from this coming Friday, I will be calling it a day, deciding instead to wait for the inevitable “implosion” and the long awaited demise of a man I use to respect, but now have utter contempt for, Arsene Wenger. Once he has finally been laid to rest, I will return to Le Grove with verve and vigour, recharged in the knowledge that the cancer that has been spreading for nearly a decade, will finally be in remission

  43. Pierre

    Raptora
    “Meanwhile Ozil has a goal and an assist vs dead Everton and an assist vs Swansea. Look at the one vs the swans.

    Though I agree that the supposed assist v Swansea is ridiculous, I will say that its the same criteria for every other player in the prem.
    Just because özil gets an assist through luck and assists through crossing the ball onto his team mates head instead of an opponent doesn’t mean he is being regarded as a special case… Read my words.. IT’S THE SAME FOR EVERY OTHER PLAYER IN EUROPE.
    The stat that you posted in the link of özil creating the same amount as chances as debruyne this season whilst playing almost half the amount of minutes is, in fact, true, it is not made up by people who are trying to justify özils creative ability and I know all the özil haters don’t want to believe what they are reading, but its true.

    Does that make özil a better player than debruyne, of course not.

    Will be interesting to see how many chances özil has unselfishly creates for his team mates when he has reached debruyne’s minutes played of 832…

  44. Pierre

    Graham62
    I’m sure you will enjoy your football at the goldstone ground or whatever it’s called now.

    No doubt you will return when they are relegated as they will find it difficult to live up to your expectations,then who will you turn your allegiance to.

    Southampton are only up the road from you.

  45. Dissenter

    Graham62,
    “So, regrettably, from this coming Friday, I will be calling it a day, deciding instead to wait for the inevitable “implosion” and the long awaited demise of a man I use to respect, but now have utter contempt for, Arsene Wenger. Once he has finally been laid to rest, I will return to Le Grove with verve and vigour, recharged in the knowledge that the cancer that has been spreading for nearly a decade, will finally be in remission”

    Are you sure you are not checking into the nearest HM prison to serve out a term? 🙂

  46. graham62

    Pierre

    Whether you’re joking or not, every seasoned Arsenal supporter knows that B&HA play at the Amex stadium. Yep, non-Football brainiac!

    No doubt you’ll be laying out as many irrelevant statistical probablities before I take my temporary leave of absence on Friday.

    Although we’ll never see eye to eye on things(Lacazette the exception), I sincerely hope that one day, in the not too distant future, you’ll be able to sit back and laugh at your own incompetence and delusional outlook on everything AFC and finally realise that Wenger was, and always has been, the problem.

    I look forward to the next 48 hours.

  47. Mark

    @Graham62
    I have enjoyed your posts Graham and share your pain about the current Shit fest AFC have become under Wenger.

    All I’d say is if you decide to drop the odd post, do go ahead.

    Your opinion , insights & input will be missed.