2nd string Arsenal are my escape, and I love it

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WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT!

Jack Wilshere combining with Olivier Giroud to score the scorpion MKII. INCREDIBLE TEKKERS.


Seriously one of the most beautiful goals I’ve seen since the last beautiful goal Olivier scored, or the last one Jack scored against Norwich.

Do we really care about the game? No. It was a touch boring. There was an exciting redcard for some naughty elbow action in the face of Coquelin, but overall, it was pretty much another non-event we passed with colours. Not flying ones. Just colours.

Also, it was away from home in a loud place. Have you ever tried to work in a loud coffee shop in Paris? Nor me, but I’d imagine it’d be troubling.

MAJOR PLUS: Jack Wilshere continues to stay fit, continues to contribute and continues to lead us down the merry path of false hope.

Regardless, I’m game for some PASHUN at the moment. I love Jack. I love Maitland-Niles. I love Reiss Nelson. Those guys are the true underdogs. Elneney and Debuchy back in the side? Such a tragic story. But when you see it through the prism of hope, suddenly you become emotionally attached to the outcome.

I’m more into shit Arsenal than real Arsenal. It’s my escape.

Anyway, short post. Too busy for life. See you in the comments and please, please, do share your opinion so we can fight.

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  1. Wallace

    some window-licker on the previous thread was complaining about Jack’s return ball to Theo being a poor one, but look at that pass from Theo that he’s having to do something with? overhit, behind him, bobbling…

  2. ADKB

    Not interested in any PASHUN to be honest. Watched the game with one eye, but sorry, the excitement’s gone until we have a regime change at the Emirates.

  3. HighburyLegend

    “I’m more into shit Arsenal than real Arsenal. It’s my escape.”

    Totally agree with you Pedro!!

    What a f*cking goal last night, L’oLreal is DA man!! lol

  4. Dissenter

    What was so special about what Wilshere did?The entire play sequence that resulted in the goal was utterly dysfunctional. It resembled an incoherent stutter.
    The final pass to Giroud was BEHIND him and he had to make a major adjustment to throw the dice.

    What’s wrong with this club?
    The manager, owner , CEO, bloggers and entire fan base. We’re getting desperate for something to just celebrate.
    The only thing I saw was Giroud making something of nothing. That was a disjointed and bland attacking sequence that the striker “just tried something” and fortunately scored from.
    It seems you all will create anything to praise Wilshere, just like inventing “pre-assists”to hype Ozil.

  5. Wallace

    Dissenter

    “What was so special about what Wilshere did? The entire play sequence that resulted in the goal was utterly dysfunctional. It resembled an incoherent stutter.”

    the goal is in the post, dude. your description of it would suggest you’ve got your games mixed up. we’re talking Belgrade. last night. Giroud’s goal.

  6. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Unfortunately for jack one game don’t make a season,

    He needs to do it for a lot longer maybe a season .

    No doubting he has talent
    We desperately need his talent

    I really hope it’s the rebirth of his Arsenal career

  7. HighburyLegend

    Big rumor about Ozil saying to his teamates that he will sign for ManUtd and reunite with Maureen.

    “Why are you looking at me” ?? After all, letting our players go to United or City, it’s a great and beautiful Arsenal tradition. 🙂

  8. Pierre

    Dissenter

    Obviously you feel you have to live up to your name with your anti arsenal rhetoric but yes we get it, you hate Jack Wilshere but love Harry Kane…

  9. HighburyLegend

    If that happens (in my opinion, that will be done), no need to say that we will soon see the return of the “real” Mesut…

  10. Emiratesstroller

    Your Comment Here

    1. If it is true that Ozil has reached agreement to move to Man Utd as suggested by Mirror I would bin him now. Let him take “gardening ” leave until the summer. No-one is going to pay a transfer fee for him and the probability is that even someone did make an offer he would not go if he can get £350K pw out of Man Utd.

    2.Sanchez is an entirely different proposition, because unlike Ozil I do think that he will play to the best of his ability. I would continue to play him, because
    Arsenal when he plays are a different team than without him. That was fairly
    obvious in match against Watford.

    3. Arsenal must now make concerted effort to bring in over next two transfer
    windows at least two players of comparable quality to Sanchez and Ozil. That
    will cost serious money, but the fact is that Arsenal have spent so far in the
    current financial year £0, because the sales in summer exceeded cost of
    acquisitions.

    4. The club needs now to be far more ruthless in its contract negotiations. No
    player costing us a significant transfer fee + wages should be allowed to run
    down their contract in the fashion of Sanchez and Ozil.

  11. Pierre

    Wallace
    Important to understand that dissenter is from a country whose predominant sports are rounders and netball and American football where they don’t actually use their feet.
    Taking this into account I feel you shouldn’t be so hard on him and his lack of understanding of football (the version that you use your feet)…

  12. WestLondonGoon

    Another Harlem Globetrotters goal for Wenger to stick in his wank bank, but overall it was a bit like going to Leeds for a 1/4 final of the League cup – a game we should win 9 times out of 10, against a distictly average team with a loud fanbase, but we huffed, puffed, and eventually blew their doors in. Wenger has obviously forgotten that there are more ways to line up a team other than with 3 at the back, how bizarre; so many players playing out of position again, but this was Championship level opposition at best, so we got away with it.

    We’ve won the group now, which isn’t surprising really, so we just wait to see which of the CL 3 placers drop into Europa now, but it’s looking like some big teams could be heading our way for the latter stages.

    Looks like the decision to keep Sanchez and Ozil is going to spectacularly backfire; who would have thought that? The non-handshake clearly shows that Wenger and Sanchez obviously have no working relationship anymore, and the news that Ozil is possibly heading to Manchester in January is something that must be addressed immediately – any manager worth his salt would have the player in his office first thing, and demand to know the truth. If it’s kosher, tell him how much we want for him, (not a penny less,) and if it isn’t achieved, let him know that he will spend the rest of the season playing with the u-23s – see how he likes a bit of tough love.

    Sanchez will go somewhere, I don’t think he cares where, he just wants to be away from Wenger; an accurate reflection of the way many fans feel right now.

    Anyway on to Everton, which should be interesting, both in terms of our line up, and Everton’s approach to the game. Koeman has a good record against Wenger, but is surely getting in his final round at the last chance saloon – after watching our performance in the last 30 minutes against Watford, he could do a lot worse than asking big Duncan Ferguson to take to the field once more.

    I love going to Goodison, one of the last true English grounds left in the prem, and it’s always a bit lively up there – although I’ve never yet been confronted by an opposition fan carrying a 2 year old in their arms – seriously what the hell was this guy thinking? Everton should be giving him a life ban, and you have to hope that Merseyside social services are going to be knocking on his door any moment.

  13. Ishola70

    lol Lil’ Jack.

    As someone else commented there is a lot of arse reaming of this player atm. And it is yet again all about missing/returning players being the saviour. For Lil’ Jack read Cazorla.

    The real question about him is where is Wenger Poos going to put him if and when he gets back into the first team.

    He could do alright in central midfield or further up but there are question marks about Lil’ Jack nearer to his own goal. He has failed before in a deeper lying central midfield position due to ill discipline and having the annoying habit of going to ground too much in tackles.

    Would he be a better bet than Xhakattack? Well of course. Multitudes of players would be a better bet than the village idiot that is Xhaka. But have to be reservations about him if he is seen as taking the mighty Swiss/Albo’s players actual position.

  14. Pierre

    Stroller
    Obviously you have your opinions on sanchez and özil and you seem to think that sanchez can be relied upon more than özil.
    Of course there are many negative reports on özil, probably more than any other player in the country.
    These reports have seemed to multiplied in the last month or so.

    Taken into consideration that özil has only played 30 minutes of football in the last 2 months or so it is obviously not his performance on the pitch that is causing the negative reaction towards him. It would be pretty pathetic if that was the case wouldn’t it.

    Before his injury he created the most chances in the league in his first 2 games and then had a poor game v Liverpool along with everyone else.
    Maybe you along with all the others are being duped by the media as his half hours football in the last 2 months can’t possibly be the reason for thinking he has downed tools as has been widely reported in the media.

  15. Bamford10

    Mirror article this morning has eight “replacements” for Ozil:

    Forsberg
    Fekir
    Draxler
    Lemar
    Mahrez
    Rodriguez
    Pjanic
    Wilshere

  16. Ishola70

    The only position that would make sense in the current formation where Wilshere comes in is in for Xhaka but that central midfield would still be very vulnerable defensively.

    A central midfield of Xhaka and Wilshere would be hilarious. Giggles galore watching those two paired together.

  17. Cesc Appeal

    Bamford

    I think number eight is most likely given that Wenger is going to be here regardless at the end of the season.

    Get ready for some bollocks about ‘we make decision and now we have to live with it, it is not easy as Arsenal values (have to get values in there) mean that now we have even less financial weight to compete with others’ and then watch him forward Nelson and Iwobi as the future, probably finished off with another quick bit about values.

    Will he get any flak for his decision to keep Sanchez and Ozil? Will he f**k. Awful decision, if he had balls and ambition he could have reworked this side this summer, but I suppose that is the attitude you will have when you can steadily get worse as a manager and still be given new and improved contracts.

  18. TR7

    Well, you may or may not think highly of Jack Wilshere as a player but there is little doubt when fit he’s better than all our midfielders bar Santi Cazorla.

    Better than Xhaka ? Of course !
    Better than Ramsey ? Yes !
    Better than Elneny ? No doubt about it
    Better than a disinterested Ozil ? Yes !

    Every game he has played this season, Jack has shown glimpses of his tremendous potential. He might still get injured once again but if he keeps fit he will make his way in to our starting 11 real soon.

  19. Bamford10

    Cesc

    That’s probably right. Although if he sells both Ozil and Alexis in January and signs no one in turn, there will be mad scenes. But Wenger might just do it. I wouldn’t put it past him.

  20. N5

    Best points from last night for me: I thought the goal was an absolute beauty and Nelson is a top prospect.

    JW was looking very good also but he does need some match time to get proper fitness. He was up for it though.

  21. Bamford10

    I only saw last night’s highlights but one thing I’d note is that it could easily have been 1-0 or 2-0 Belgrade at half. They had the better chances in the first.

  22. Paulinho

    “A central midfield of Xhaka and Wilshere would be hilarious. Giggles galore watching those two paired together.”

    Most midfields with Xhaka in it have comic/tragic potential.

    Wilshere has shown some nice moments but he’s not a number ten and never will be. His final ball isn’t good enough, and decision-making in general is poor. That bit of play at the start of the move showed what can be exceptional at; breaking the lines with devilish ingenuity.

    Bit of a risk defensively, and he will probably be on the floor clasping his ankle after five minutes, but I would just play him in Xhaka’s position, and play either Coquelin or Elneny next to him and have Ramsey and Iwobi just ahead.

  23. Bamford10

    The Guardian is calling Arsenal-Everton this weekend “the Meltdown Derby”:

    “Welcome to the Meltdown Derby. Two teams, going head to head, knowing defeat will lead to a chunk of their support base unleashing fury across social media, radio phone-ins and good old-fashioned pub tables. In Arsenal’s case it will also lead to some of their fans shouting loudly and angrily to a bloke called Robbie outside Goodison Park, yet ultimately it will mean nothing – Arsène Wenger is going nowhere. That is something that cannot be said of Ronald Koeman.”

    Pretty accurate.

  24. Ishola70

    It won’t be solving anything though would it TR7 the return of Wilshere.

    Sure he could do alright as replacement for Ozil or Ramsey but then that would mean that Arsenal still have the little problem of Xhaka knocking around in the first team.

    If he comes in for Xhaka then that position a more deeper lying control position is not the best suited to Wilshere.

    Who knows by the end of the season Xhaka may be dropped even for the likes of Elneny and Coquelin.

    The real problem for Arsenal’s midfield is not whether Wilshere comes in for one of the more advanced attacking midfield roles. It’s that deeper lying central midfield position that is the real problem currently being occupied by Xhaka.

  25. N5

    Bamford, those highlights were selective then buddy. Wally missed a goal from about 10 yards which had he lifted or put left or right would have gone in but instead hit it at the keeper. RSB had a misheader bounce from the floor and hit the post and PC made a great save followed by a brilliant block by Nelson. 1-1 would have been fair at the half to be honest.

    The game really started taking shape when Nelson started running the wing. He was very defensive in the first half as you would imagine he would be, but once he settled the game was only going one way.

    Feo was frustrating from start to finish and really shouldn’t have been on the pitch and honestly until his goal, L’Oreal spent more time arguing with the ref than playing football.

  26. HighburyLegend

    “The Guardian is calling Arsenal-Everton this weekend “the Meltdown Derby”

    lol excellent and so true!!

  27. Dissenter

    Emirates,
    1. If it is true that Ozil has reached agreement to move to Man Utd as suggested by Mirror I would bin him now. Let him take “gardening ” leave until the summer. No-one is going to pay a transfer fee for him and the probability is that even someone did make an offer he would not go if he can get £350K pw out of Man Utd”

    What should anyone listen to you now when you wanted us to keep Ozil and Sanchez no matter what.
    Sanchez people will leak that he’s signed a pre-contract with City in January. The player has rights too.

  28. Dissenter

    Everton are in a meltdown mode
    Everton are playing badly

    You just know that we are going to lose on Sunday because we are the perfect team to play when you need a turn around.

  29. TR7

    Ishola

    You know I have never liked Xhaka. I prefer even Coq and Elneny over him but to be honest none of them is quite good enough. But, Jack on his own is a suitable candidate for central midfield or box to box role. That our midfield will be rank average even with Jack is Wenger’s fault. Until we buy a new DM, I would rather we played Coq or Elneny behind him.

    AMN was decent yesterday. What do you make of him ? I think he should be given more chances. Can’t possibly do much worse than Xhaka.

  30. Guns of Hackney

    Surely that single pass Wilshere completed last night means he’ll get a new five year £150,000 pw deal. I mean, if anyone deserves free money it’s that tiny prat, Wilshere.

    Wenger must literally be running down to Prontaprint with his usb stick to have that contract A4’d up and bound.

    What a fucking embarrassing little club we are.

  31. Dissenter

    The arsenification of Reiss Nelson is in full blast.
    The manager will use him to distract from all the recent personnel failings, the fans will lap it up and th player will get a big contract
    Why not wait for the kid to actually last a full season first.

  32. N5

    “Why not wait for the kid to actually last a full season first.”

    Dissenter? who’s this aimed at? I’ve only read people saying he had a good match and looks a good prospect. That’s OK isn’t it?

  33. Dissenter

    N5
    How are you doing?
    It’s not aimed at you in particular. People have been talking about Nelson since the preseason like he’s the second coming of Ronaldo.
    I’m just poking fun at the way we hype our youth players, that’s all.

  34. Guernsey gun

    Like the comments re Everton, I’ve been thinking all week that they’ll turn us over. Quick look at odds checker shows William hill offering 3/1 on a home win. If I was still a paying arsenal customer (which I haven’t been for 5 years) I would invest upcoming ticket, beer, merchandise etc money on that, seems like a surer and better returning investment to me.

  35. N5

    Dissenter I know you wasn’t being rude, but to be honest I do forget how we go through this with every youth player that has a good match.

  36. Guns of Hackney

    Can anyone explain exactly why we are talking about our shitty youth players?

    They all appear pretty poor to me and let’s not forget how ‘amazing’ Akpom and Iwobi were…yeah, that went well didn’t it.

    So, who exactly have Arsenal produced from the youth ranks in the last 20 years.

  37. Leftsidesanch

    ‘In Arsenal’s case it will also lead to some of their fans shouting loudly and angrily to a bloke called Robbie outside Goodison Park, yet ultimately it will mean nothing – Arsène Wenger is going nowhere’

    So depressingly true. The man reminds me of when you did cheats on Grand Theft Auto and would drive in the tank when in police chases – absolutely untouchable regardless.

  38. Leftsidesanch

    Arsenal only seem to maintain intensity and discipline when playing Chelsea, that coupled with elements of good fortune.

    Wenger copied the 3 at the back system and will play that till his last days, incapable of thinking for himself and is rather reactive at best.

  39. Emiratesstroller

    Pierre

    I did not express an opinion about Ozil. What I said is that if the story in Mirror
    proved true then I would put him on “gardening leave”.

    I put him in same category as Oxlade-Chamberlain. The only difference is that
    Liverpool were prepared to pay a transfer fee for him.

    No-one appears willing to pay a transfer fee for Ozil. Frankly his wage demands are ridiculous for what he offers.

  40. Emiratesstroller

    Ozil seems far more concerned about displaying his wealth and developing his brand than being a hard working professional footballer. I don’t see him working hard for team. Ozil will discover very quickly if he goes to Man Utd that he
    will land up on bench if he shows the level of commitment displayed at Arsenal.

    Sanchez by contrast is first and foremost a committed footballer albeit selfish.

  41. N5

    I can’t see Ozil at Manure. His position is outdated and Maureen doesn’t need playmakers. Especially ones that hide in big games.

  42. Samesong

    Ozil seems far more concerned about displaying his wealth and developing his brand than being a hard working professional footballer. I don’t see him working hard for team. Ozil will discover very quickly if he goes to Man Utd that he
    will land up on bench if he shows the level of commitment displayed at Arsenal.Sanchez by contrast is first and foremost a committed footballer albeit selfish.

    This!

  43. Jamie

    I’m with Pedro and his headline – I’m enjoying our 2nd team significantly more than our 1st.

    It’s nice to see Jack regaining some form, but he has a long way to go to prove his fitness and consistency. In the short-term, if he can make it to Jan playing 90 mins every 1-2 weeks without breaking down, it would be promising.

    The issue then becomes, as has been highlighted by many, where to play him. He’s essentially a box-to-box. He can’t play with Ramsey because they’d vacate the entire central midfield on their runs into the box. Neither Wilshere nor Ramsey should be playing with Xhaka because none of them have enough defensive discipline.

    For me, Ramsey and Wilshere are interchangeable, and they should be rotated throughout a season. What is needed for both are two strong, disciplined, slightly defensively minded CMs to play behind them. They both essentially need to play a free role in midfield, which means there isn’t room for both on the pitch at the same time.

    Are either good enough to build a team around? I don’t think so. I’d rather have a fit Wilshere than a fit Ramsey though.

  44. Ishola70

    TR7:
    “AMN was decent yesterday. What do you make of him ?”

    I think he is going to be a good one. Like him. He’s got the footballing ability but he also has the bite about him.

  45. HighburyLegend

    “Especially ones that hide in big games.”

    But under the orders of a “real” manager, I think it could change. Don’t you ??

  46. Pierre

    Stroller
    No point in making assumptions on what is being reported in the press re ozil or anyone else arsenal as 95% of it is incorrect.
    One person prints something and the rest just follow.
    Am I correct in saying that last week it was being reported that özil was in discussion with Arsenal to sign a new contract.

  47. Carts

    CescI echo Samesong: I think Ozil will more than turn up for Mourinho. Mourinho is a top cunt when it come to addressing players that aren’t taking orders. Look what Mourinho did to Mikki last season; same goes for Martial; He’s doing the same to Lindelof. Özil will play out of his skin!

  48. Jamie

    Can’t see Man U wanting/needing Ozil on huge wages. They’ve already got Pogba.

    The only way Ozil gets a move there is by accepting similar terms to what he’s on now, in which case, fair play to him. AKBs couldn’t argue his move was for anything other than footballing reasons.

  49. Cesc Appeal

    I don’t actually think Ozil is wanted at all, this seems a bit of a PR blitz by his team, no one really wants an Ozil style No.10 in the game anymore, he is lazy, he is a coward. If you are a top level team, unless you dominate your league by a stretch you just cannot afford to have him.

    Really indulgent, luxury buy. Not a foundation type player for a side, not a match winner, no guts, great against relegation fodder though.

    China, maybe?

  50. N5

    Fully agree Cesc. I said the same above. His position is out of date. He’s a lazy sod that disappears during most games and his attitude stinks.

    More PR spin from the Arsenal. If they put as much work into the team as they did their excuses, we’d be running the league.

  51. Cesc Appeal

    N5

    Arsenal are like a dysfunctional state basically, instead of actually addressing the issues we dress them up to keep certain people in power because everyone in the power structure benefits from those people being in power.

    I’m so bored of Arsenal, I’ve watched two games this season, shall not be watching the Everton game and I just keep my fingers crossed Usmanov or someone else dislodges Kroenke and we can actually get back to supporting an actual football club.

    Not an asset for an American and a plaything for a stubborn, egotistical, cowardly old man.

  52. Southernpeople

    “WallaceOctober 20, 2017 09:40:39
    Dissenter

    ““What was so special about what Wilshere did? The entire play sequence that resulted in the goal was utterly dysfunctional. It resembled an incoherent stutter.””

    the goal is in the post, dude. your description of it would suggest you’ve got your games mixed up. we’re talking Belgrade. last night. Giroud’s goal.!

  53. Marko

    Well, you may or may not think highly of Jack Wilshere as a player but there is little doubt when fit he’s better than all our midfielders bar Santi Cazorla. Better than Xhaka ? Of course !
    Better than Ramsey ? Yes !
    Better than Elneny ? No doubt about it
    Better than a disinterested Ozil ? Yes !

    Says a lot about our midfield options more than anything that an aging Cazorla who hasn’t played in 2 seasons or a broken down Wilshere would be considered “better” options. Honestly all the midfield options we have are varying degrees of shite

  54. Wallace

    if we are miles off by Christmas I’d definitely be handing AM-N & Nelson more opportunities in the first team. PL version.

  55. Marko

    I must say it truly despairs me seeing certain fans after results against really shoddy opposition try to paper over the cracks and gloss over what’s going on at the club. We’re supposed to just as easily forget the Watford game cause we beat a piss poor Belgrade team or forget the Liverpool performance cause we beat a piss poor Bournemouth side. This club is in a terrible state and an 85 minute goal against a shit team and getting whatever mouthpiece to come out with a sound bite isn’t going to change that.

  56. Marko

    if we are miles off by Christmas I’d definitely be handing AM-N & Nelson more opportunities in the first team. PL version.

    What else would you do if we’re miles off by Christmas. Still support the manager? Call for his sacking? Sign some players in January? Or just promote from within? Even your statement suggests another write off season that you know isn’t going anywhere. And yet since Saturday you’ve been in a pisser about what troy deeney said.

  57. Wallace

    Marko

    “I must say it truly despairs me seeing certain fans after results against really shoddy opposition try to paper over the cracks and gloss over what’s going on at the club. We’re supposed to just as easily forget the Watford game cause we beat a piss poor Belgrade team or forget the Liverpool performance cause we beat a piss poor Bournemouth side.”

    you’d rather just focus on the defeats…bit of a bummer, no?

  58. kel

    Jack made a piss poor pass that contributed to a goal.
    You know when fans are desperate we nitpick average trying to pass it off like some intentional top quality. That goal came out of pure guess work no real conviction what soever.
    Also, how come we’er not looking at the fact that it took the team being down to 10 men for us to score a goal and that the overall performance was average AGAIN!!!
    still a win is a win BUT am afraid all won’t be this easy.
    Nice instinctive finish from the big man though, these games are really his level.

  59. N5

    Red, that’s true. I forgot about the card. Nelson did change the pace and the attacking play but the balance was fully changed when they went down to 10. You’re quite right.

  60. Frankie Coffeecakes

    @Wallace – “if we are miles off by Christmas I’d definitely be handing AM-N & Nelson more opportunities in the first team. PL version.”

    Why not now? what are you waiting for, a drubbing at the hand of Pep and his boys to convince you of what the vast majority of those who post here already know, that Arsenal suck?

  61. Steveyg87

    Haven’t been on here in a while, and to be honest, my Arsenal mojo is running pretty low at the moment. But, so far, I have caught all the Europa games and I have been impressed about how jack has been going about his business. The lad is just about everything he can to get back in to the first team and to be honest, i was pissed that wenger brought ozil on instead of our boy jack in the last half hour of the watford game, look how that turned out….

    Speaking of ozil, its bout time we cut our loses and just accept that Wenger f**ked the window by not selling our 2 want aways Knowing wenger, he will want to save the little bit of credibility he has and play ozil as much as he can, we know that much.

  62. James wood

    Yes Jack was instrumental in the goal,but spent most of the match having the ball taken of him?
    Now you might say he is getting up to match fitness but I remember when he was fit he used to lose possession all to regularly.
    I’m afraid Jack is all to easy to read and lacks that extra bit that the top midfielders have.
    As for Walcotts header back well if you look at the video and he seemed more surprised than anyone who saw it.

  63. Cesc Appeal

    We were a write off for two years the second Wenger put pen to paper on a new deal after slithering to Kroenke.

  64. Globalgunner

    What is this I am hearing, Wilshere to the rescue. Are we taking the pizz or de we Arsenal fans have such memories?. Wilshere, the man with glass ankles that thinks he is closely related to Johan Cruyff. The man is a serial giver away of possession. He loses 90% of his tackles and dawdles too long with the ball.

    What is worse is when the 6`3″ opponent takes the ball off him after his 3rd dribble, he will sit his arse ob the pitch arms aloft imploring the ref to blow his whistle. In the meantime the other team is streaming towards goal bearing down on our now petrified defenders.

    Our (Arsene`s)midfield is rubbish from head to toe
    Cazorla ….in limbo and likely crocked for life
    Xhaka….comedy midfielder with no spatial awareness and more reckless than a stoned hooligan
    Ramsey….thinks midfield is somewhere on the pitch 5 yards from the opposition goalkeeper.
    El Neny….not good enough and defo not a defensive midfielder
    Coquelin…….I lost all faith in him as a DM after he was rag-dolled by Eden Hazard at Stamford bridge

    Only Wenger could have assembled such a motley crew of inadequates.
    Koeman will be licking his lips in anticipation. the 1 manager he can regularly beat is coming in to keep him his job till Xmas.

  65. WestLondonGoon

    While the lure of the Champions League is always stated about how we can attract the elite players, who is to say that another season in the Europa Thursday Night Cup, isn’t going to push a few of the current squad to ask for transfers?

    Can’t say I’d be sorry to cash in on Xhaka and Ramsey for starters – let’s face it, next season is going to be far worse than this if we don’t make it back to the promised land of the CL.

    I’ve said it once, I’ll say it again, AMN is a very disciplined holding mid for both England and Arsenal u-23s so why are we playing him LWB? Josh DaSilva started as a striker, moved back to midfield, but plays left back for England u-20s, so let’s give him a game there for the rest of the group stage. Riess Nelson is an outstanding attacking talent when playing above his age group, yet we play him at RWB. At 17, Ryan Giggs was being used as an impact sub by Fergie, and a year later won the young player of the year.

    Now we have all but wrapped up the EL group, I hope Wenger just lets the youth teamers have their heads and play in their rightful positions. But let’s face it, this is Wenger, so don’t discount anything – he probably thinks he coached Giroud into scoring that goal last night, whilst conveniently forgetting all the tap-ins that he misses in other games.

  66. Wallace

    re AM-N & Nelson – playing the wing back role does allow them to be heavily involved in the game, but find it frustrating that Willock, obviously behind AM-N in his development, is prefered in the CM role.

  67. arsene's used sock

    but pedroni I don’t want to fight.
    I just want to sip good beer at some hooters bar and watch the arsenal compete for the league.
    I’m a very simple man

  68. Marko

    you’d rather just focus on the defeats…bit of a bummer, no?

    They tell us more about where we are as a club than the underwhelming victories.

  69. Carts

    Cesc

    You could be right in your assertion. If the Utd talk is PR then can you blame Ozil’s people.

    I think what is a likelihood is that offers will be made to him. Maybe not n extensive list but I fail to see how Ozil will not have at lest 3 teams to choose from come January.

  70. graham62

    Just a quick one on Mesut Ozil. As there are some on this site who seem to thrive on statistics, let’s have a look at the facts.

    Ozil’s assists are of course legendary(tongue in cheek?) as are his abilities to hurt the opposition in key areas of the pitch, nevertheless, what about his weaknesses/frailties that, more often than not, ‘assist’ the opposing teams.

    His failure to track back or dropping into holes to cover team mates, his lack of a physical presence, his weak heading ability, speed, tackling and of course his wonderfully positive body language.

    To accomodate Ozil you basically need 12 players in your team. There is a fine line between being a luxury or a liability and although he can, on occasions, be sublime and do some fantastic things on the ball, it is what he can’t do that concerns most observers.

    At Arsenal he was never going to flourish, not under Wenger’s methods. If there is any truth in the matter of his potential move to Man Utd, you can rest assured that JM will use him in the correct mannner.

    Having players around him to cover for his deficiences is all it takes. Man Utd have that, Germany have it, Arsenal don’t. Regrettably, under Wenger’s regime, we have too many players ‘clonned’ in a similar image and mindset.

    Playing for Germany he has structure and discipline all around him. He know’s his responsibilties and sticks to them. At Arsenal there is no structure or discipline. He is left, more often than not, to his own devices and consequently get’s lost in the melee that surrounds him.

    In a way, I feel sorry for him. A Rolls-Royce of a player, playing for the manager of Daihatsu. As long as he stays at Arsenal, he’ll always be used as a scapegoat.

    That’s just the way it is.

  71. WestLondonGoon

    Agreed Samesong, he would be a viable option to improve in our midfield.

    How are your team getting on? Got a game this weekend?

  72. Samesong

    WLG

    Doing ok mate won 8-1 last week. Got a big challenge this weekend though. Playing against some 14 year old men (so to speak) apparently this team are full of big lads. Not sure how it will turn out.

    How you doing?

  73. Samesong

    Koeman should not be sacked did anyone listen to Carragher earlier.

    The guys done over the 3 seasons here. he’s got te 5-6th position with Southampton and Everton – punching above their weights.

  74. loyika

    @ Samesong

    For Southampton yes, Everton no.

    They have spent money and should have kicked on a while back.

    He didn’t invest the “Lukaku” funds wisely when he knew for a fact a long while ago that Lukaku wanted to leave and only God knows what happened with Ross Barkley.

    Depending on how they do against us this weekend, the game against Chelsea in the League cup will also be a test for them, if they lose these two games you would think he was toast, but i think he will be given till the Christmas fixtures to see where they are before a decision is made.

    Bilic on the other hand might walk this season (or be pushed) The Hammers have been trash for the past 2 seasons.

  75. Jeff

    Don’t worry I’m sure we’ll give Everton a much needed boost today – we’re always available with a helping hand.

  76. London gunner

    Walcott gets a lot of hate but that headed assist of the back of the head was world class.

    The lads frustrating but he seems to be capable of cray cray moments of effectiveness

  77. Coach 15

    TR7
    Great speech video,encapsulate what’s missing within the arsene set up. That’s why fergie knew he had wengers number most times. He didn’t have to ask or expect the level of desire,it was already there.
    Can’t say the same about this and past Arsenal teams since 2005.

  78. WestLondonGoon

    Samesong

    I’m good cheers, make sure your boys don’t get blown away out there today! Koeman’s biggest mistake was while he watched Lukaku being romanced into a United move by Pogba, he should have been scouring the globe for a replacement for him, then telling the Belguim player that he can only move once that signing was secured. Everton would look totally different with a real cf.

    Wow that Fergie video really makes you realise which of the two, out of him and Wenger, is the real man manager……not a hint of a ‘Look……errr…..’ in the whole 5 minutes.

    Fergie would demand a performance from his players, whereas Wenger just believes his players will perform for him. Pretty obvious which ideal has the better long-term results.

  79. Cesc Appeal

    Some interesting games this weekend, Chelsea need to get back on track at home to Watford or the pressure will start to creep up on Conte.

    And then Spurs at home to Liverpool is a massive game for evaluating the title chances of Spurs. They lost their last big game at Wembley but Liverpool are not exactly doing great, they need to claim a big win at Wembley or I just cannot see them in the title picture (which they should be) if Wembley continues to be a hindrance.

  80. Emiratesstroller

    Dissenter

    I have said consistently that Arsenal should keep Sanchez this season UNLESS
    they found an equivalent replacement. Do you seriously believe that Arsenal are better without him?

    Also I did not suggest that Ozil should not play for Arsenal in his final season at the club. What I did say is that if it was established that Ozil had reached agreement with Man Utd to join them next season I would bin him and put him on gardening leave.

    In an ideal situation I would prefer to keep Sanchez, Lacazette and Ozil in our
    starting lineup. They are despite all the negative comments the class players
    in our team. Messrs Giroud, Welbeck and Iwobi are also good squad players
    as back up.

    Arsenal’s major problems are in midfield and at the back and that is where Arsenal needed a] to recruit and b] to bring in coach[s] who will organise the team better.

    What is at issue at the club is the ongoing uncertainty both on and off the field and that has not been helped by Wenger signing a new contract.

  81. Pierre

    Stroller
    “Ozil seems far more concerned about displaying his wealth and developing his brand than being a hard working professional footballer. I don’t see him working hard for team.”

    Do you really believe that….

    Admittedly özil is a bit of a pansy when the going gets tough.. Someone should let him know that backing into a player without looking at the ball looks pretty pathetic… I think he must have learnt that particular move from giroud, it doesn’t work for him either… Never hear much criticism when giroud does it though..

    As for your thinking that sanchez is this hard worker and özil not working hard for the team, the stats actually tell a different story.
    I read it somewhere that özil compared to sanchez does more running, makes more sprints and does less walking in a game.
    Does that make him a more effective player, probably not. Does it mean he is not working hard for the team…it depends if you think that running more miles, making more sprints and walking less is important or not.
    Seems to be a bit of a witchhunt from the media and some fans regarding özil.
    Lets wait until he plays a few games before condemning him shall we.

    When he comes back into the side (and he will) I will be the first to criticise him if he is not up to scratch but to judge /criticise someone after 30 mins football in the last 2 months is unfair.

  82. Coach 15

    ES
    You constantly make statements that we all/mostly agree with that the owner and the manager are no good for the club.
    At some point the match going fanbase have to step up to the plate,stop moaning about something that’s not going to change,and do the only thing you can do,and start boycotting the home games.
    I’m not having a go,but unless the majority of STH start to make their feelings known,then nothing will change. I’m not expecting it will make much difference.but you never know until it’s tried. Don’t sell it or exchange,just boycott.

  83. graham62

    As previously highlighted, there is a part of me that actually feels sorry for Ozil.

    This guy was never meant for the Arsenal set up. When you don’t have the relevant structure around you and you’re as talented and ‘lazy’ as Ozil, it will never work.

    I/We can keep ridiculing him, but, ultimately, it is Wenger who is to blame.

  84. HighburyLegend

    “BREAKING NEWS : SKY SOURCES: WEST HAM OWNERS & BOARD DISCUSSING SLAVEN BILIC’S FUTURE TODAY”

    Breaking news : Arsenal owners & board discussing wenger’s future… NEVER.

    #Thelotout.

  85. graham62

    Coach 15

    “At some point the match going public have to step up to the plate”

    You mean those that feel they have the good of the club at heart?

    ANYONE, WHO CONSIDERS THEMSELVES TO BE A TRUE GOONER AND WHO PAYS TO WATCH ARSENAL, SHOULD BE UTTERLY ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES.

    These people still come on sites like Le Grove and complain about things. They mock those of us who have decided to alienate ourselves from the club and yet they are prepared to line the pockets of those that are ripping the club apart. It is totally ####### illogical!

    Look at their faces. Are they happy? Are they excited and nervous ? Do they sense the tension and anticipation? Are they passionate?…………………………of course not!!

    These fans(yeh, right!) plod off after each game, complain, ridicule others and yet, still turn up for the next predictable encounter. What a joke and embarrassment they all are.

    STH’s are the key issue in all of this. Nobody goes, actions will be taken. .Simple……….RIGHT?!?

    Nothing personal, but those of you on this blog who still attend matches(or sell on their tickets to others) are a disgrace and, more significantly, the core reason for this ongoing shambles.

    By going to games it means you want Wenger to stay. You want kroenke and the board to continue on their merry way. You don’t want change.

    What the #### are you all scared of?!?!?

  86. Samesong

    WLG

    Agree with you and Loyika and the Lukaku fiasco and he should of replaced him with a decent forward I think they will come good though.

  87. steve

    @Pierre

    “Lets wait until he plays a few games before condemning him shall we”

    __

    Yeah it’s not like he’s been at Arsenal for four plus years now showing he’s a pussy.

  88. Cesc Appeal

    Really not sure on Bakayoko, said in the summer there was something about him a did not fully trust, really untidy player. From Matic to Bakayoko is a big part of Chelsea’s problem and if they are still up and down by January they may want to think about an N’Zonzi or similar, steadier type.

    Great goal from Pedro.

  89. graham62

    My local team, Brighton, are reminding me of the things I miss about Arsenal.

    Hate to admit it, but find watching Brighton is far more uplifting than watching my team.

    BHA have one of the best defensive units in the EPL and they play good football.

    Would take Chris Hughton right now. Makes Wenger look like a novice.

  90. Zfree

    Watford/well coached teams don’t lament the wrongfully given corner. Arsenal would be hanging heads feeling so hard done by the bad call.

  91. graham62

    Go back and look at Ozil’s face on 14th Dec 2013, after the 6-3 debacle against Man City.

    “What the #### am I doing here”?!?!

  92. Emiratesstroller

    Once again we revert back to the RT argument of what season ticket holders should do to protest.

    Do you seriously believe that the Arsenal Supporters Club + Season Ticket Holders do not express dissatisfaction at what is going on?

    Many like myself have been supporting the club for far longer than the malcontents on Le Grove.

    The reality is that the only person at the moment who can change the culture
    is Kroenke because whilst he is not the owner of the club is the majority shareholder and controls it. He lives in US and seldom attends games so I don’t suppose he is too bothered about a bunch of malcontents spewing their
    ire.

    Pierre yes I did suggest that Ozil should show more focus on his football performance and less being photographed in his £10 million+ house in Highgate
    with shelves of expensive trainers + his large collection of expensive cars.

    As I wrote above he is an immensely talented footballer, but at the moment there is very little evidence of him displaying that.

    He has had plenty of opportunity to sign a new contract and knuckle down to
    doing what he is supposed to do and play football to the best of his ability.

  93. Ishola70

    So poor Bakayoko for Watford second goal.

    Watford serious team in this match though and showed that right from kick off.

  94. Southernpeople

    Watford are stronger than I thought. Arsenal played rubbish, but Watford play wonderful football and have some real talents.