Ramsey: Less end product, but more promise than Ozil

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  1. Don

    Not just that stroller but we are woefully short at wing back too.
    Need back up
    Where is the conveyor belt of full backs Wenger used to produce?

    But yes I agree with team selection
    Had to be wilshere. If welbeck is fit I’d start him and Sanchez behind Lacazette though

  2. Pierre

    One problem Don, Wenger loves Ramsey. He has always brought him straight back into the side after injury and will always find a place for him.
    The only way Ramsey will leave is if he decides he doesn’t want to sign a new contract at the end of this season. I can’t see us having another ozil/sanchez contract situation so we will probably sell him.

  3. Emiratesstroller

    Don

    I don’t think that we need additional wing backs for foreseeable future. Kolasinac and Bellerin don’t need replacement. Since Ox departure Bellerin has
    improved.

    Monreal can play when required in left back position and I suspect Niles-Maitland will play right wing back if Bellerin unavailable.

    Cech may hang on one more season as first choice gk, but will need to be replaced sooner or later. I see no first string options currently on our books.

    Arsenal need to buy next summer at least one new centre back with Mertesacker retiring and Koscielny 32+ and struggling with achilles heel injury.
    Chambers and Holding are decent squad players, but yet to convince me that
    they are good enough to play regularly in starting eleven.

  4. Emiratesstroller

    Don

    Arsenal need at least three midfielders in their team for most games in EPL.
    Otherwise we are going to be outplayed in midfield. Welbeck is a good athlete
    but like Ramsey limited in his technical ability.

    I don’t see either making a starting lineup at Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea or even Spurs. They are decent squad players to have.

  5. Don

    Stroller

    Welbeck will provide far more defensive cover from an attacking midfield position than Ozil would wherever he plays
    He also works hard In creating space and running off the ball
    He has beat footwork
    Is physical and can link up well with the rest of our attacking players
    Ozil is not a fits all scenarios type of player for me. He’s a luxury.
    Although I am hoping that with JW playing with him it can bring out some of his better qualities. Ozil seems to require one other technical ball player to thrive. That why Ramsey and Ozil just doesn’t work.

  6. Don

    I also don’t subscribe to the idea that we need 3 central midfielders but if we did decide to go that route then for me Ozil must be sold. You can’t olay Ozil midfield and two strikers. Essentially that is just a two man midfield anyway

  7. Marko

    I’d love goretzka but that doesn’t mean we need to sell wilshire
    If he proves his fitness and can maintain it then he is in the top bracket for me of the next up and coming midfieldersUp there with pogba.

    Next up and coming? What is he still 21? You honestly haven’t a clue if you think he’s anywhere near Pogba’s level he’s not even fit to clean his jock strap

  8. Don

    Marko

    You don’t even know what you’re looking at when you watch football.

    Paul Gascoigne. Arguably the most talented midfielder we ever had.
    Only fleeting moments of his brilliance throughout his career.
    Most of his career was spent injured.
    But that didn’t mean he wasn’t capable. He was a better player than pogba will ever be. He restarted his career several times even after he was wilshire’s age.
    He made bad choices

    The point I’m making is just because a player is 25 and hasn’t reached his full potential it doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be given a chance.

    Xavi and iniesta didn’t really kick on until they were 24/25/26 either.

    Name me any midfielder of the 24-26 year age bracket that’s better than jack wilshere

    And pogba was fantastic last year wasn’t he??

  9. Marko

    Name me any midfielder of the 24-26 year age bracket that’s better than jack wilshere And pogba was fantastic last year wasn’t he??

    His stats last year alone were better than anything Wilshere has done. Without even taking into account his Juventus career he’s so many levels beyond Wilshere it’s not even up for debate.

  10. Marko

    I’d honestly put Jack Wilshere in the Jordy Clasie bracket of midfielder. Lots of hype and promise around him in his younger days but ultimately levels off being considered a truly great midfielder. He’s now at Bruges I believe and Wilshere was trying to be loaned by Birmingham the summer just gone. Says it all really

  11. shaun ellis

    what arsenal need and have needed for ten years and what le fool can’t see even though this was when he had the most Competitive team is ball playing physical CDM’S and two of them with a football brain would be nice and a commanding CD with pace and positional sense.he could then do his dysfunctional team management .The main problem is the players need proper instruction .Why does Ramsey play a disciplined game 1 week and then play like an idiot the next .why is a player with no pace and can’t tackle being used as a CDM it is joke management from le fool and like has been said on here previously arsenal will never be competitive with wenger and Kronke in charge

  12. Don

    Marko

    There you go again
    Stats stats stats

    Marko my old chum, a footballers worth and capabilities are not always summed up by his statistics. Ozil is proof of that.
    Jack wilshire has had an injury plagued career. His stats won’t compare favourably with even the likes of Danny Drinkwater or Luke Chadwick. I don’t need statistics to tell me what jack can offer or how good he is. All I need is to see him play. See the way he slots into a team and what he does when he is on the field.
    I’m telling you Jack wilshire is up there with the best central midfielders in modern football.
    Pogba, verrati and wilshire for me are the 3 best in that age group.
    Who else is there? He’s better than Barkley, better than ali and better than rabiot.
    Get himgame time and watch him prove it
    Like I said, not just any 19 year old can come on and dominate xavi and iniesta. Not just any 22 year old can play Brazil and twice be the best player on the pitch.
    He’s in the top 3 of the up and coming midfielders in the world.
    The only thing holding him back for proving it to people like you is the injury curse.
    Hopefully he’s got the better of that now.
    Anyway, you should want it to be true.
    You should want jack to be amongst the best. Surely that’s better for arsenal isn’t it? And if it’s better for arsenal then it should be better for arsenal fans

  13. Marko

    I’m telling you Jack wilshire is up there with the best central midfielders in modern football.
    Pogba, verrati and wilshire for me are the 3 best in that age group.
    Who else is there? He’s better than Barkley, better than ali and better than rabiot.

    There’s honestly no hope for you. If he was that good how come he can’t force himself into the starting 11 now? How come he’s never been able to hold down a first team spot over the years even when fit and how come he wasn’t that impressive while on loan at Bournemouth?

    You should want jack to be amongst the best. Surely that’s better for arsenal isn’t it? And if it’s better for arsenal then it should be better for arsenal fans

    I do want what’s best for Arsenal which is why I want the likes of Wilshere and Ramsey to fuck off and stop leeching a living off of Arsenal. Think about it if he was that good how come fuck all teams came in for him last summer? He was available and it only seemed like Birmingham wanted him. Bournemouth were willing to pay 20 million for Ake but didn’t even bid once for Wilshere. How come? Surely he’s an upgrade on Surman, Pugh or Arter? Not last season but surely he’s better no? No don’t answer that

  14. Don

    You know why he hasn’t forced himself back into the first 11. He’s been injured so many times they’re being carful with him. You don’t want to rush your best midfielder back too quickly only for him to get injured again do you? Not when your back up is ramsey or elneny

  15. Marko

    You don’t want to rush your best midfielder back too quickly only for him to get injured again do you?

    He’s never been our best midfielder. Not once not even close to it. Again how come only Birmingham wanted “our best midfielder” last summer? How come Bournemouth didn’t want him?

  16. Don

    1. Bournemouth and any potential buyer would be put off by his fitness history.
    You think anyone wants to pay £30m on a midfielder that might not play for 2 years

    2. Who cares what Bournemouth think. Not one of their players can play like wilshere. He’s already started to prove that this season
    Why didn’t juve keep Henry?
    Why didn’t milan keep Vieira?

    Why did RvP only cost £2m

    Who knows the answer to all these questions? Not me. Not you either. But I do know this
    Jack wilshire dominated the best midfielders in the world in his early career

    He dominated xavi, iniesta and busquests

    He dominated yaya in 2014
    I saw him outplay Gerrard and Lampard too and modric while he was a spud.

    So answer me the question. Where are all these fantastic mid 20s cmf players in modern football?
    Who else is better than jack at that age group?
    Please just answer that.

  17. Marko

    Don I’ve realized there’s no real point in debating or arguing with you because you’re that rigid and stupid so instead I’ll just call you a moron and move on cause life’s too short. You’re an absolute moron…there done and done