Wenger hemorrhaging AFC cash, the number is quite unbelievable

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Everyone loves a big number to keep focus on what’s going on at Arsenal. I don’t mean to pile pressure onto our faltering manager, but I think a few myths need to be busted about what he’s offering to the club these days, because his ability to turn a profit has diminished at quite a alarming pace. This post aims to showcase just what a state we’re in.

Prizes:

Firstly, let’s look at the Champions League. A competition which Wenger has often claimed the mere qualification is a trophy. Well, that trophy isn’t on offer this year. Instead, we’re suffering the indignity of Spursday Night Europa League. The difference in prize money is quite large. If we make it to the last 16 on 4 wins and 2 draws, we’ll earn £5.6m.

Prize Money for achieving last 16 of UCL: £36m

Prize Money for hitting same height in Europa: £5.6m

Net Loss: -£30.4m

Players:

Next up, let’s look at the players we have that are currently leaving on free transfers, based on the big man’s say so. I’ll be straight up, we’re not getting anything for Per or Santi. We should be getting something for Jack (£20m), Chambo (£30m), Sanchez (£60m) and Ozil (£40m).

Total Loss: -£150m (as of Wenger’s stance that they’re all staying)

Deadwood Wages:

Now let’s take a look at the problem Alfred called out in the podcast, surplus wages. We have, what, 33 players in our squad? Many of them overpaid to the point they can’t be moved on. We saw Jenkinson move to play with Harry Redknapp because his deal is simply too rich to handle for Premier League clubs. Worth remembering we were in EXACTLY the same position in 2011 after project youth. I have 9 players that class as deadwood. The two richest would be

Worth remembering we were in EXACTLY the same position in 2011 after project youth. I have 9 players that I class as deadwood. The two richest would be Santi, because he’s broken, and Theo because when one of your highest paid players is a bench merchant, you’d clearly rather not have him around. Others that made the cut were Joel Campbell who is back again, Kieran Gibbs who I was told earns more than the £65k a week I have him on (£80k), along with Ospina, Debuchy, Perez, and Wilshere. Total wage expenditure there is £625k a week, I’ve left Jenks in there because I have my doubts Birmingham are paying full whack.

Total cost: £32.5m

All of that money, added together in my clever little spreadsheet takes Arsenal’s potential losses for the year to a whopping £212,885,227.

Now, you can split hairs on my numbers, but what you can’t do is tell me that there is anyway you can look at those figures and not be absolutely shocked at how badly run we are under Arsene Wenger, Director Of Football.

I didn’t even get into the figures of what we’re losing on players who’d have become better players under better managers. Let’s be real here, a contracted Alexis is a £100m player in this market. Jack Wilshere is a £50m player if he progresses. Kieran Gibbs, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Aaron Ramsey, Theo Walcott… would all be worth a lot more under better management.

We are not only a shambles on the pitch, we’re the same off it. Arsenal are in the process of overseeing one of the least effective summers of all time, and what makes it worse, is next year, we’re going to lose 6 players on free transfers.

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  1. David Smith

    Absolutely correct AH, though sadly, this once great manager is now closer to Comical Ali, whatever happened to him?
    Looking from,outside in, looks like there are some serious problems behind the scenes. Players not renewing is not a good sign. Less coming in then needed, manager making excuses about getting players out first, don’t hear other teams worrying about that. The manager is showing very muddled thinking, the Stoke game reminded me almost of Hodgson against Iceland.
    I wonder if many if not all of the players pulled out stops to win the cup,and finish strong, hoping Wenger would go and they would get change. These players will be very demoralised, might explain a lot. Only speculating, but maybe Wenger now knows it is spiralling out of his control, and in effect, over. The guy looks haunted. What he would do about it is another matter.
    But it is clearly going horribly wrong, ignore at their peril

  2. Ughelligunner

    most say wenger is senile and that nothing has changed. the same people repeat the same statements and accounts over and over again as if to say the number of times it is repeated will make them have more followers and the manager would be sacked. He will never be sacked, rather he would always find an escape route, while fans who want him out will remain miserable and grow tired of complaining and then quit. Complaining fans have been the first to quit arsenal before wenger. Studying Legrove over the years has made me realease how it turns out for arsenal fans. They First hav full support of the manager, later they become fence sitters, and then they stop supporting him, become hateful, make a thousand post expressing their anger and attacking any positive poster. they become frustrated with all things arsenal, wish them to lose and then get tired of repeating themselves. they quit commenting. If you become agigated by Arsenal Result, quit them for a while including blogging to get your sanity back.

  3. Ughelligunner

    Graham, if he didnt resign or got himself sacked after those heavy loses, what make you think more loses would get him moving?

  4. Dissenter

    Lequipe; “Tottenham are close to an agreement with Paris St-Germain to sign defender Serge Aurier, 24, for £23m’

    I hope this story if inaccurate.
    It would kill me to see Spuds get a beast of a player on a sub-100k weekly wage.

  5. David Smith

    Aurier comes with rather a lot of problems, is he even allowed into the country yet?
    Would be very wary of signing him

  6. Cesc Appeal

    Dissenter

    Would be a weird one. Aurier is top rate and would fit into Spurs style. But Pochettino is a big fan of Trippier apparently.

    Though selling Walker for £50 Million and getting Aurier for £23 Million is great business.

    Aurier is a top notch player.

  7. Pierre

    Just watching “the debate” on sky sports and they are talking about ozil..
    Pedro said ozil “was completely awful again” at the weekend which is in line with what the media and ozil haters think.

    There is a caption on the screen as they are talking and it is telling us who has created the most chances in the Premier league this season
    3rd is David silva
    2nd is Henrikh Mkhitaryan and
    1ST IS MESUT OZIL

    Yes, Ozil who has had a “completely awful” start to the season has created the most chances out of the whole of the Premier league.
    How could that have happened, surely those stats are wrong..
    On BT sport I saw keown and Gerrard steam into ozil for his inept performance against stoke.
    I thought to myself that I must have watched a different game to everyone else as I thought Ozil had a good game.
    I was beginning to think that I didn’t have a clue about the game, these experts on BT said he was awful, the ozil haters on here want him out of Arsenal, the media think he’s a waste of space … Surely they can’t all be wrong, can they?

    But wait, it looks like they are all wrong, I didn’t imagine that ozil had a good game. It says it in front of me on the screen
    THE MOST CHANCES CREATED PL THIS SEASON… MESUT OZIL…….
    Thank God for that, I was starting to doubt myself…..

  8. David Smith

    Our players are not awful, it is those who manager them, coach them, organise them, and ultimately, those who run the club that are letting all of us down
    Stan is the parasitic disease, Wenger the symptom, the players are just collateral damage

  9. TheBayingMob

    All the “I support the team” as a means to further protect the old cunt arguments make are laughable. They imply that by digging out Wenger means you don’t support the team like the two things are mutually

  10. TheBayingMob

    … exclusive. I can do both. I can enjoy Wenger squiring as his team inexplicably (to him at least) lose easy games while also being fucked off that we lost. Anyone who argues otherwise is a dick …

  11. peanuts&monkeys

    HERALD

    “I’m sorry to say that Arsene Wenger sold Arsenal a pup when he held open the prospect of big names and a fresh start when he signed his new deal.

    Nothing has changed and at this stage, I find it difficult to watch lads like Mesut Ozil, the player everyone raved about as a Player of the Year candidate half way through last season.

    He and the rest of his team-mates were awful against Stoke and if that is what Wenger can expect from them in the coming weeks, he’s in deep trouble.

    I bought the line that he was ready to change, clear out players like Ozil, Theo Walcott and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain and replace them with quality but they are all still there.

    Perhaps that will change in the final few days of the transfer window but if Wenger had his way, Ozil would sign a new deal and stay at the club.

    Once the window closes, Wenger’s fate will be sealed and a very sharp spotlight will focus on him.”

  12. Jeff

    Pierre,

    I find myself agreeing with you wholeheartedly on Ozil. In PL games, people (including seasoned punters and ex-players) want to see swashbuckling football from players. Some people will simply not understand that you can be a major contributor without running around like a blue-arsed fly and doing slide tackles.

    We all recognize that Ozil is not a warrior on the pitch – he’s not going to commit to dangerous tackles and he will flinch on the odd occasion. Does that make him a bad player? Does it mean he can’t pass the ball? People will simply not understand his style and what he brings to the game – often accused of going missing or not turning up. As you point out, the stats tell a different story and when people read them they tend to disregard them because it doesn’t fit with their general narrative that Ozil is a “luxury” player. The debate goes on.

  13. David Smith

    Maybe seeing why Ivan didn’t walk, this could unravel quite quickly, he may be called into action quicker than expected

  14. Don

    Those chances he created. I struggle to recall one.
    He played a blinding pass to the ox in the second half to create an opportunity to cross but apart from that I don’t recall a single opportunity he created
    if he passed sideways and say Ramsey takes a shot from distance. That counts as a chance he created.
    If he takes a corner and giroud heads well wide
    That counts as a chance created. I really don’t recall him opening up the defence. Making the last sideways pass before someone shoots to me isn’t befitting if your n10, main creator, and £43m one at that. Sorry. I don’t care if he is swashbuckling but I want to see him showing for the ball and lookihg like he wants to win. Not hiding in pockets and making the odd sideways pass before someone shoots
    Have to say though I am shocked at that statistic

  15. Emiratesstroller

    Once again I read on this thread RT having a go at me because I am a season ticket holder at Arsenal.

    This is of course someone who is very good at telling everyone else what they should do but in reality does absolutely nothing himself apart from posting meaningless statements on Le Grove.

    I am a supporter of Arsenal and NOT of the management or owner of the club.
    It is my LOCAL Team whom I have supported for 60+ years and it is not for him to DICTATE to me what I should be doing and how I spend my money.

    There are 90 + clubs in the different Divisions of the English League supported by millions of fans most of whom have never experienced winning a Title
    or Cup Competition.

    Well I have experienced both and for that matter also attended a World Cup
    Final won by England, which is an even greater rarity than Arsenal winning the League Title.

    The reality is that the EPL has changed since the arrival of Abramovich at Chelsea and has moved on following investment by Arab Sovereign Funds, who it would appear have bottomless pits of money to throw at Football.

    As matters stand we cannot compete financially with the likes of Man City and
    Paris St Germain. Indeed I don’t think that Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich or Man Utd can do so either.

    Arsenal have been historically the most stable and prudent club in the top division of English Football, which is why many people admire and support them.

    The club has been one of the most successful clubs in England with only Liverpool mainly in 1970/80s and Man Utd in 1990s/2000s achieving more.

    I have watched Arsenal in good and bad times. The bad times were incidentally far worse than they are now.

    What concerns me is not the club itself, but rather the people who run it. As
    Henry suggests the club is stale and that is reflected with the fact that our best
    players want to leave and we are struggling to offload the deadwood who are
    being paid excessive wages for their value to club and more importantly other
    clubs suited to their ability.

    Wenger is past his sell by date and that is also a reflection also of the coaching
    and academy programmes as well. You can of course blame them for all the ills at the club, but the simple fact is that they are all EMPLOYEES and like most of the players very well paid. So it is understandable that they don’t want to leave on their own volition unless compensated.

    The club’s current failings are in my view the responsibility of the major shareholder and Board of Directors. They have been in control of the club almost 10 years and should by now have recognised the failings of what is going
    on at the club.

    The only other people who can influence decisions are the sponsors and tv stations. Even Usmanov who owns 30% of the shares in the club is powerless.
    He has not managed to gain a seat on the Board or forced the club to pay him a
    Dividend. So that the idea that season ticket holders as individuals can influence the club as RT suggests is pure fantasy.

    My view is that sooner or later Kronke will sell the club, because frankly it is
    an investment dependent on spending money on team and unlike sports franchises in US you need to spend mega bucks on transfers in order to compete.

    It is clear that Kronke is unwilling or unable to make these investments. That
    being the case I think that he will have no choice but to sell if he is going to
    safeguard his investment. If Arsenal declines so does his investment and I don’t think that Kronke is the type of businessman who wants to see that happen.

    Wenger is tied to Krone’s coat tails. His survival depends on him.

  16. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Es

    The club has been one of the most successful clubs in England with only Liverpool mainly in 1970/80s and Man Utd in 1990s/2000s achieving more.

    You talk of domination of Liverpool with scant regard

    I remember a superbly organised team who won everything they dominated European cup for years
    Most of there signings were successful in fact they would signavplayrrband have them play reserve team football until they understood the Liverpool philosophy .
    Even after shankly went they became better with bob paisley and his boot room

    United the dominated in a similar way

    Sure we were up there with them in the final furlong but would lose in a photo finish

    Sure we have had the odd bit of silverware to cheer but we have never had a dominance on English football
    Like pool or Mancs

    Nor indeed will we

    The inherenatence of the new stadium has been wasted has been wasted
    We have missed the boat .

  17. Bamford10

    I’m with Don: I don’t remember any of those “chances created,” or at least I don’t remember there being a lot of them. I think this is a case of simplistic and misleading statistics.

  18. grooveydaddy

    Granted it was a different era, but didn’t we win 7 titles in like 15 seasons (on either side of WW2) under Chapman and his successors? That’s pretty dominant, no?

  19. Emiratesstroller

    R.S.P.C Arsenal

    I don’t understand the point that you are making.

    I accepted that Liverpool and Man Utd are more successful clubs highlighting
    that most of that success was achieved in 1970/80s in case of Liverpool and 1990/ 2000s in case of Man Utd. Both clubs have also had troughs being relegated to a lower division and also becoming almost bankrupt.

    Arsenal’s success is far less concentrated and has been achieved since 1930s.
    We have not been relegated and nor has the club been close to bankruptcy.

  20. Emiratesstroller

    It is fairly clear that three players are not going to sign new contracts this summer.

    Ozil is obviously difficult to sell, because of his wage bill + the transfer fee that
    we will demand. I am sure that he has an agreement somewhere most probably Turkey to sign a pre-contract in January and leave next summer.

    Oxlade-Chamberlain wants to leave and is 23. His value at Arsenal and most
    probably elsewhere is as a utility player, although he would be my first choice
    right wing back. He is worth more than £35 Million, but the fee reflects that he
    is in final year of contract.

    Sanchez wants to also leave now. He will be 30 early next season. This summer
    is the last opportunity to sell him. What the club has to weigh up is the certainty if we sell him that a] he will not now be replaced by comparable player
    and b] our chances to qualify for Champions League are almost zero.

    My view is that we need to hold onto Sanchez, because the financial cost + perception of our ambition if we sell drops through floor.

    In case of Oxlade-Chamberlain we have no choice but to sell but the money must be invested in comparable player of similar potential.

    Ozil is a lost cause. The player is unsaleable and will leave on his terms.

  21. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Es

    I was merely pointing out that Liverpool was more dramatic than I feel you gave it credit for.

    They were a stunning team

    At that time the only team that came close was Forrest an they won track to,back European cups .

    We have never never dominated football
    Ok we won triple back to back leagues

    Our history as you say is less concretrated
    But I would love a ten year speak where we win everything rather than a 130 year drop here drop there ….

    We won’t achieve this with mr wenger I’m afraid .

  22. Emiratesstroller

    R.S.P.C Arsenal

    Yes Liverpool were a fantastic team, but the chances of that being repeated again by them is zero.

    They have a similar problem to Arsenal in that they are owned by US Investors. Their finances are precarious and Liverpool as a City is not exactly the height of fashion or attracts wealthy supporters.

  23. shaun

    Aurier is miles better than belerin and walker, should be the kind of deal wenger should be all over but our past it manager can only ever see half the equation that’s why he will never win the prem again and the CL well that’s laughable and our man gazidis thinks Wenger is the best man to lead us in Europe , you just have to laugh really ….30 odd years in top level football as le toss likes to remind us and not one european trohpy and only one final …that’s not even a good coach when you consider the resources he has available ….bang average at best and should definately not be picking up 8 mil a year that’s actually upsetting

  24. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Ex

    Unfortunately it just shows how much money had really damaged football.

    I feel it has distanced the game from the man in the stand to the supporter at home .

    It’s a business now, not one I’m fond off but having watched for so long feel compelled to watch .

    Will always support Arsenal but for me the happy times were 1989 – 2004 spanning two good mangers .

    More money made it worse .

  25. Phallasaurus

    Last week of transfer window falls in the international break.

    Perfect excuse for no further business, for Wenger anyway as every other fucker will just crack on as normal.

  26. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Airier is a ticking time bomb ….

    I’m sure his homophobic will resurface at some point to haunt him.

  27. Wallace

    I don’t understand the Ox situation. doubt it’s money as I can’t imagine Liverpool or Chelsea will offer that much more than we will be. playing time, he’s been an ever-present for the last six months. and if he’s unhappy about not being played CM, I just don’t see Conte or Klopp giving him that guarantee either. very strange.

  28. Alexanderhenry

    RSPC

    I don’t see Arsenal dominating the league ever to be honest.
    Modern club football is a money game and arsenal will continue to be outspent.

    Kroenke will not invest his own money in the club and judging by the abysmal performance of the rest of his sports franchises he doesn’t mind his teams drifting.
    In fact, he actively manages and downsizes expectations and if you look closely at gazidis’ statements, that’s exactly what the club been doing.

    It’s project mediocre at arsenal

    Also, spurs, Liverpool and Everton are expanding or moving to new stadia, which means their match day revenue will be similar to ours.

  29. Cesc Appeal

    Oxlade has had enough then it seems. Wants out.

    Chelsea may go for him at RWB while Spurs then go for Aurier to replace Walker.

    Wonder if Chelsea are still thinking of Sandro at LWB, will cost a fortune and not sure Alonso needs replacing that badly. Although of course Sandro is far, far better.

  30. Dream10

    Wallace

    Think it is about money. The contract has been on the table for him for months. Doubt he starts at CM for another top 6 club.

  31. Cesc Appeal

    I don’t know that another club is going to give him more than £120 000 a week.

    Not sure it is totally down to money, playtime and probably years of being fucked around positionally.

  32. Cesc Appeal

    Oxlade and Sanchez will be gone, whether in the next couple of weeks of in ten months.

    Ozil will sign a new deal though, almost certain that which almost makes it worse because it says everything about this club.

  33. Cesc Appeal

    The Premier League’s own website has a category called ‘big chances created,’ and Ozil is behind both of those players. I did not see a ‘chances created’ category so not sure what the difference is.

    Xhaka has the most passes in the EPL and has two assists to Ozil’s none, but you are not going to sit there and say Xhaka does not have massive problems and highly destabilises our middle despite the fact his stats are far more impressive than Ozil’s?

  34. Don

    Shaun

    PSG and city have never reached even 1 champions league final yet are able to sign some of the best players in the world

    Money talks in modern football more than anything else
    Neymar’ attittue has just proven that most modern footballers are mercenaries chasing after $$

  35. Phallasaurus

    Any decent international teams training at Colney over the break?

    Yeah I know, just clutching at straws now.

  36. HighburyLegend

    “Money talks in modern football”
    Just another things – amongst so many others – that wenger still don’t understand.

  37. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Don

    Why would they not be mercanery ?

    They have no affiliation to clubs that they join in other parts of the world from where they come ,

    I make them right

    What does Sanchez know about Islington London ?

    The same as beckhsm knew about Madrid .

    Monies killed the game but made the players even richer

  38. Emiratesstroller

    R.S.P.C.Arsenal/AlexanderHenry

    Let’s be positive.

    Ownership of football clubs is not for ever.

    Matters can change very quickly if Kronke decides to sell and the right owner
    comes in.

    London is still one of the most desirable cities and Arsenal despite all the
    negativity posted here is one of the few major clubs in Europe which is buyable.

    American businessmen are not sentimental people and there will come a point in time when Kronke recognises that the club under his stewardship is going nowhere.

    As I said Wenger is for him a convenience so long as he does not cost the owner money. This summer is beginning to prove that Wenger does not have the
    midas touch. He has limited influence on contracts and our capacity to buy and sell players has diminished as well.

  39. N5

    “But wait, it looks like they are all wrong, I didn’t imagine that ozil had a good game. It says it in front of me on the screen
    THE MOST CHANCES CREATED PL THIS SEASON… MESUT OZIL…….
    Thank God for that, I was starting to doubt myself…..”

    Imagine what he could do if he applied himself then!! Look I was a defender of Ozil for a long time on here and often got into heated debates, but he can pull out stats like this when there is no pressure on, but when we really need him to step up and lead he goes missing.

    If you think Ozil is doing great then fine, but I bet you any money, you’re be the first in a different argument to say that stats don’t paint the full picture, so try to remember that when this when the shoe is on the other foot ok.

  40. Don

    RSPCA

    How about reviving his career and turning him into one of the most saught after attacking players in the world
    Or neymar how about he’s at the one club that any boy dreams of playing for around the world. That play the brand of football any attacking player would excel within. Paying him the kind of money that annoy form the slums can only dream of. For elevating him up there with Messi and Ronaldo as the worlds best

    Call me old fashioned but you didn’t see bergkamp or scholes or Gerrard Totti or Del Piero jumping ship for a few extra quid when they are already rich enough to live ten lives over in complete decedance.

  41. azed

    Stats like Ozil created the most chance in the EPL fall under the same category as “We made the most points in a Calendar year”.

  42. Don

    Imagine what he could do if he applied himself then!! Look I was a defender of Ozil for a long time on here and often got into heated debates, but he can pull out stats like this when there is no pressure on, but when we really need him to step up and lead he goes missing.

    Couldn’t agree more
    Those stats are so misleading and anyone that watches him play can see he is playing within himself. Wether that is Wenger’s fault or his i can’t be certain of but I’ll say this, if it is Wenger’s fault and he doesn’t suit the system then I reckon he would turn up at least 10-20 games a season. He doesn’t though.

  43. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Don

    Hence why you should avoid buying South Americans

    Greedy no attachment to the club
    Just a job with pay till a bigger pay comes

    Soon there won’t be transfer fees played will sign for a couple of seasons then move on no transfer fee

  44. Leftsidesanch

    At a quick glance. Our upcoming fixture list reads as:

    Liverpool (Away) followed by International Break
    Bournemouth (Home)
    Chelsea (Away).

    So realistically by the 25th Sept where we welcome West Brom it’s not far fetched to suggest we’ll only have 6 points on the board. Not to fear though ladies and Gents, we’ll go on a mini run PERHAPS amassing 9 points (WBA at Home, Brighton at Home, Watford Away) right before these next fixtures I’ll list bring us down to earth.

    Everton (Away)
    Swansea (Home)
    Man City (Away)
    Tottenham (Home)

    By my reckoning, the dissent and calls for our Lord Wenger’s head in the stadium will begin in no time. To make matters worse, after Liverpool beat us and we sell Sanchez to City or the likes – Wenger will say that Sanchez contract situation affected the players. Somebody help us from this man.

  45. Champagne charlie

    Wallace

    The Ox case is very simple mate.

    Ox has a year left on his deal, his agent is negotiating a new one and says pay us X or we will leave – stop us and we walk. So now Arsenal either pay the 150k as opposed to the 100k they want to offer, negotiate a transfer where Ox would get that 150k because his market value is diminished in the last year of his deal, or Ox walks and gets 200k.

    Always about the money. If Ox walks I fully expect him to join a club citing lack of guarantees about first team position/role. Anything to avoid a money grabbing headline.

  46. Paulinho

    Ozil literally has no interest or inclination to score goals, so if he wasn’t creating some sort of chance in a game then literally what is the point of him?

    His whole movement – central deep, moving wider as he goes higher up in the pitch – is geared towards assisting. You could actually argue the predictability of his movement hinders our goal threat to a large extent because he never directly engages the opposition’s defenders, so they focus on the other players and mark them more tightly, knowing Ozil is never going to threaten their zone centrally.

  47. augie

    I especially like the recent comments from le cock (wenger) where he says that he would be willing to take the financial hit by keeping them the extra year – so I guess that means that you will be taking less wages for these fcuk ups will you arsene ? Without question we should be offloading every single one of those 6 players – clearly some have already been designated as deadwood by the management, and if sanchez, the ox and ozil are not willing to sign new deals then they should be got rid now.
    Can you imagine how much money it will cost next summer to replace those players ? We have a manager that cannot be trusted to spend 5p in the transfer market, and yet it is quite possible that we will be letting him loose with a major transfer kitty to try and fix a disastrous situation which was entirely of his own making. Much as I would love sanchez to sigh a new deal and stay, the reality is that there is as much of a chance of me winning the euromillions jackpot as there is of him signing a new deal, and tbh my respect for him would die a death if he binned his ambition just for more money. I would much rather focusing our efforts on trying to get the ox to sign a new deal (although that looks unlikely as long as wenker stays), and ozil should be gone already regardless of what he wants.
    Right now you would have to say that wenker is doing the same thing as old ferguscum did in his last season with manure – he is throwing all his chips in a short term situation in a bid for personal glory, and he will leave the next manager the type of mess that will take years and years to fix (thus ensure the next manager will be labelled as a failure). Does that sound like a guy who loves Arsenal FC ? Fuck right off

  48. Marko

    Yeah I’m not sure everybody who wants to leave or wanted to and left in the past like Van Persie and Vieira that it was about money. I mean Sanchez at 28 wants to win major honours. The Chamberlain situation though is one I’m honestly less and less giving a shit about. He’s not worth anything north of 80,000 a week he’s not guaranteed a starting spot for me certainly not in CM or RW. Fact is he’s so inconsistent

  49. Elmo

    CC

    If you were Ox’s agent, why would you demand any less from Arsenal at this point than what you project will be available when clubs come sniffing for a Bosman in January?

    All leverage is gone. At this stage is you want to keep the player, you will have to offer as much in wages as other clubs who are building in a saved transfer fee will be offering. If you were the player and you neither are at a very successful club or one that offers you a clearly defined role, why would you accept anything less when you know their are plenty of suitors waiting in the wings?

    Arsenal and Wenger, for some strange reason, don’t seem to understand this. Remember how in Autumn 2016 Wenger responded that they hadn’t opened negotiations with the likes of Ox re an extension at that point because the focus was on trying to tie up Sanchez and Ozil first. Look how that fuzzy headed indulgence worked out. They let the schedule slide and so lost all leverage and control over the situation.

  50. Cesc Appeal

    Mustafi is looking like a weird one who we might consider selling. Inter persistent in their interest and rumours Juventus might even look at him.

  51. Ughelligunner

    I would sell ox right now, even if he had 3years left i would still sell. His kind of energetic runs with no end product makes him, welbeck and ozil liable to us in my own oppinion. But the british media wouldnt see that, they praise the likes of ox and welbeck and if you can manage to score a goal (rooney i am looking at you) they say you have done well. I Watched the Man City Vs Everton game and Rooney Failed every pass, tackle and he was just everywhere trying to do everything yet failing but the pundits all praised his impact. wdf? because he scored a goal? even if he didnt score, i have never heard any british pundit blame Rooney, Let say it was ozil, his head would be put on a plate because he isnt british and he plays for arsenal. I dont need the so called media expert to tell me how Ozil plays, we have our eyes and we can make our own oppinion.

  52. Don

    Left side Sanch

    Give it a rest
    Chelsea and Liverpool are hardly a frightening prospect at the minute
    We have done Chelsea 3/4 of our last meetings so get back in your jam jar with your doom mongering

  53. HighburyLegend

    Agree with Marko, they were interested by trophies and sport more than money.

    They knew AW was finished, already at that time.

  54. Champagne charlie

    Elmo
    I’m not surprised by the actions, the perfect storm was our own creation.

    Marko
    Yea sure thing pal, we have a squad full of winners who want nothing more than trophies and success. Money rules the game, you’re an idiot to think it’s anything else.

  55. Don

    John
    John cross’s (chief football writer at theMirror who knows arsene/club well) podcast on arsenal, says no top 4

    Well that’s it then. Down tools lads. John cross says it’s over.
    Alexis, fancy a trip up to Manchester? No don’t worry about Arsenal, john cross has spoken

  56. Ughelligunner

    Marco, Sanchez is about money. yes he is 28, the more reason why he wants more money. if he wanted trophys he would be playing with bayern munich, but no he chased them off with his wage demands, he told Psg he wanted 400k (he was in Paris twice) they preffered Marketable and young Neymar, And trust me wenger (good friends with Psg) would sell to any european team than a premierleague side rather than lose him for free and he will decide to go where he choses. Yes Arsenal isnt elite, but we can honestly call a spade, a spade.

  57. Don

    MarkoAugust 23, 2017 11:43:43
    Yeah I’m not sure everybody who wants to leave or wanted to and left in the past like Van Persie and Vieira that it was about money. I mean Sanchez at 28 wants to win major honours. The Chamberlain situation though is one I’m honestly less and less giving a shit about. He’s not worth anything north of 80,000 a week he’s not guaranteed a starting spot for me certainly not in CM or RW. Fact is he’s so inconsistent

    Bit of a coincidence that the only clubs he’s interested in joining are oil clubs that will pay the obscene amounts he’s demanding Marko.
    He’s won everything he can at Barca
    Man City came 3rd last year and are hardly lookihg like dominating Manchester let alone the prem, let alone Europe.
    Let’s face it, he’s after the money
    Vieira left because he felt English refs and players were targeting him.
    If you think Vieira left for trophies then you’re in need of a history lesson
    He left for Italy at a time when the league was at its lowest ebb in terms of quality and pulling power and the Orem was the best league in the world
    Arsenal had just beaten united in the cup final and had just ended their 49 game run that season.
    We were in the champions league final that season
    Who knows, had he been there what the result might have been.

  58. Johnsgiles

    Don

    Not what I meant . Just if people wanted to read/listen

    He points out what most people here think/comment (and he used to love wenger)

    I just always find it odd that our shortcomings currently (and it the past) are always so glaringly obvious to everyone but a certain wenger

  59. Bamford10

    Money is not the only reason players move clubs. Of course it is a factor, but footballers want to win things, want to play on the highest stage, want to play in the biggest games.

    RVP, for example, did not leave Arsenal for money alone. He left also because he thought United was a bigger stage and he was more likely to win something there.

    Or look at Neymar. Was that move only about money? No. It’s more complicated than that. Money is a factor, but he was being paid plenty at Barcelona. At PSG, though, he will be the star of the show and will be able to make a go at Balon d’Or, will be out of Messi’s shadow.

    Players leave for a variety of reasons, and it is only in the rarest cases that is purely and exclusively for money.

    For the most part this is just another AKB/defend-Wenger rationalization.

  60. Bamford10

    At the moment, Arsenal do not look a great bet for top four, but Chelsea and Liverpool don’t look all that great either. I think our defense will stabilize upon Koscielny’s return — and perhaps a switch to a back four — and we’ll manage fourth, but we’ll manage fourth in part because of Liverpool or Chelsea’s iffiness(most likely Liverpool’s,) not because of our strength.

    Remember too that if we keep Alexis, that will add a fair amount to our attack.

  61. Don

    Ughelli

    You obviously don’t read British papers
    Rooney has been getting slaughtered by British press
    Southgate and Beckham were hung out to dry too
    So was Philip Neville
    Lampard dyer and rio all copped it hard too.
    Don’t let your vendetta against the British cloud your judgment.
    I remember your comments last week blaming the Brits for every issue you could think of in your native Nigeria. Your comments are nithung more than showing your biased

  62. Cesc Appeal

    If you are talking about adding players back into our team though you cannot discount that Chelsea have Bakayoko to come in when fully fit and Hazard to come back in which is every bit as important as Sanchez to us.

    I am also convinced they will have another two or three players come in.

    Liverpool I am not convinced by unless they make some defensive signings, even then I am not sure that the overall management approach there is helpful for defences.

  63. Don

    John

    Yes I agree but that doesn’t mean that just because john cross predicts we will struggle to make top four that it will come true.
    It’s nothing more than a prediction from a journo.

  64. Cesc Appeal

    John Cross is a bellend of epic proportions, he spent all last season spouting shite like Sanchez signing on is dependant on a new deal for Wenger and called anyone protesting for change ‘latte sippers’ before jumping on the time for change bandwagon and now saying the fact we have not changed means we’re going nowhere and are out own worst enemies despite spending the last three years insulting any fan who called for change.

    Guy is a fucking knobhead.

    Basically this season seems like it will be a shootout between Liverpool and us for fourth, possibly Everton but really not sure they will have the legs late on.

  65. raptora

    It’s just so weird how little it is that we need to call this TW a successful one. I mean it depends how you look at it. It might be a huge task but it could be an easy one. No clue.

    In my opinion Ox will sign and those speculations are more about his agent trying to squeeze some money out of Arsenal. He will get what he wants which I reckon will be around ~120-130k in my opinion a fair salary for him. Kyle Walker went on ~150k salary pw and I believe Ox can reach his level. Problem I have is that we just had to sell Bellerin if the 50m quids was a real offer from Farca. At this very moment Ox is a better wing back than the spaniard.

    Re Alexis – he is going to stay but probably won’t resign.

    Ozil – I hope he goes too. I don’t care we are going to miss some millions on him. I’m so sick of the fellow. I remember when he was my fave and seeing him the way that he has been for a year… A tragic.

    So since I believe that Ox will sign, Alexis is probably a goner next summer, players started getting sold/loaned, so all we need is to sign that one CM we’re lacking and call it a good summer.

    Goretzka is the dream and if we could splash some money for him – anything under 50m would be a good deal even though I suspect he might be available for much less like ~30-35m. He looks like he could be the missing link in the chain. It’s all we need to do to be happy when we look back to this summer window.

    Doesn’t mean that we will win the league… Sadly, Wenger can’t squeeze the maximum out of his squads like in the good old days. Hasn’t been able to do it for years – like almost 10. A team with Goretzka and everyone we have atm would have the needed talent not only to challenge but to win the league. Yet I don’t see it happening regardless of Leon joining us or not.

  66. Don

    Bamford

    Don’t kid yourself
    Neymar left for money. If he wants to win things then he’s at no better club is he? PSG have never won a chmapions league
    Never. Not once. All they can offer him is the French title. If he stays at Barca he can be a legend but no, he’s offered £60m a season and boom, he flicks his skirts up and offers his fanny like the slut that he is.

  67. Don

    Bamford
    If we make top four it’s because we earned it
    Chelsea and Liverpool have no more right to points and league positions than we do. Don’t mug yourself.

  68. Ughelligunner

    I believe we all heard rumours that Sanchez spoke to Bayern and PSG, that shows he was granted permission by arsenal (although Wenger denied the PSG rumours) to discuss contract terms with them. surprisingly, we never heard any rumour that Sanchez spoke or was seen with any Manchester city management…..showing he was not granted permission to talkk to city. Make this of what you will, but he is money driven like his south American counterpart.

    Mind you, i dont blame any player of SouthAmerican or African decent asing for more money because they are from a third world country and carry more family responsibility than their European counterpact.

  69. Marko

    Marko
    Yea sure thing pal, we have a squad full of winners who want nothing more than trophies and success. Money rules the game, you’re an idiot to think it’s anything else.

    And we were being so civil to each other. I suppose if Chamberlain moves to Chelsea or Sanchez moves to City it’s just for the money and not the fact that in the going on 14 years now since we last just competed for a league title that both those sides have won multiple leagues and one has one the champions league. It’s simply about money is it? There doesn’t exist a player who wants success?

  70. Bamford10

    Sorry, Don, but that is totally and completely wrong on all fronts. One, Neymar was making plenty of money at Barcelona; he left to get out from under Messi’s shadow. This has been widely discussed. Two, PSG outplayed Barcelona in the CL round of 16 last season and look the stronger team in the near term. Some of you clearly have this dated way of thinking whereby PSG aren’t genuine CL contenders (or aren’t a “big club”) simply because the club has only been around for 30 years. This is nonsense. PSG are full of money and class players, and they have been one of the better teams in Europe (top 5-6) for several years now.

    Neymar’s move was in no way exclusively about money. This is simplistic and, frankly, dumb.

  71. Don

    Raptora

    100% agree with you there mate.
    Ox will stay in my opinion.

    And with all this top four stuff

    We have the biggest squad in top 6 and are the only side without champions league to focus on. Yes we list the other day but so what?? Everyone else dropped points bar united. We are fine. Better we drop points now and it proves a point
    I.e. No more left backs in the middle and keep bellerin on the right and only the right if he gets a game. He’s looking toilet right now
    Needs to cut that stupid pony tail off too. Looks like fucking Kylo Renn

  72. Bamford10

    Don

    Who said anything about whether our finishing fourth would be earned? That’s just a dumb misreading of what I was saying. My point is that if we finish fourth it will be lately down not to our strength but to their weaknesses.

    And I love that you’re already getting super protective of and defensive about a fourth place finish. “Don’t you dare touch the sanctity of our fourth place finish!!!!!!!!!!!”

    Fucking pathetic.

  73. Don

    Marko

    Tere are players that just want success but they are saying that this is about first team guarantees.
    Sanchez is 100% about the money
    He’s not winning the title at city this year
    Maybe next if they sort out their spine but not this year

  74. Don

    Bamford

    I’m fucking pathetic am I?? Next time you piss and moan like the little fucking sissy that you are then remember this day.
    And I’ll tell you what’s pathetic
    Lying about playing soccer ball for Harvard. That’s pathetic
    Or making out like you read so fast that your elite Harvard brain can’t consume simple pieces of information.
    Coming onto a blog and pretending you’re somebody you aren’t so you can attempt to lord it over people you have never met.

  75. Cesc Appeal

    ‘Maybe next if they sort out their spine but not this year’

    But then Arsenal are not winning the title this year or next absolutely guaranteed, so his move would be about ambition because City have more chance in the coming years of winning the title or UCL however low you may rate either it will still be higher than Arsenal.

  76. Ughelligunner

    DonAugust 23, 2017 12:26:37
    UghelliYou obviously don’t read British papers
    Rooney has been getting slaughtered by British press
    Southgate and Beckham were hung out to dry too
    So was Philip Neville
    Lampard dyer and rio all copped it hard too.

    British papers? or British tv Pundits? i am sorry, i dont read the british papers, i watch the tv analysis and i am yet to see that. Unfortunately, those players you called that were previously slaughtered are now pundits today and they dont slaughter nobody like rooney, If Ozil was british, do you think he would receive the same faith from this pundits?

  77. Don

    Also
    You were the one two weeks ago confidently talking up the top four as more important than winning what you deem irrelevant trophies but since Chelsea spurs pool and city started dropping points (as I predicted they would, don’t forget our bet) you’ve changed your tune and now trying to devalue the top four and insisting that I’m defending it as an achievement.
    I’m not
    I want us to win trophies
    We will challenge spurs and united for the league this year and it will be hearing from me when we are up there looking down on Chelsea and Liverpool and city

  78. Don

    Ughelli

    Ozil has had 4 years to sort his shit out. Damned right he’s criticised
    They criticise Walcott just as harshley on British tv also but that didn’t suit the narrative your trying ever so vigorously to engrain.

  79. Bamford10

    Don

    “Sanchez is 100% about the money. He’s not winning the title at city this year.”

    Complete nonsense. One, Arsenal are offering him massive wages in the new contract. The notion that the marginal difference between those wages and what City might offer is the motivating factor is simplistic, dumb and unfair to a player who has worked hard his entire footballing life to achieve great things.

    Two, whether City can win the title this season is a matter of opinion, Don, and believe it or not, many people believe they can. That “Don” — whoever the fuck he is — doesn’t think so is completely irrelevant. Many other important voices think so, and Alexis may think so.

    Three, even if Alexis didn’t think they could win the title this season — he would have no reason to think this, btw (look at their squad and manager) — they are still playing in the CL, something Arsenal are not doing. This matters.

    Fourth, Alexis has seen enough of the Arsene Wenger show. Like many players before him, he has concluded that Wenger will not be leading a team to either the heights of the PL or to the heights of Europe. He is looking elsewhere for honors, and you really can’t blame him.

    Everything else is just denial and rationalization from the erstwhile AKB.

  80. Marko

    Tere are players that just want success but they are saying that this is about first team guarantees.

    I don’t know what you’re saying.

    Sanchez is 100% about the money
    He’s not winning the title at city this year

    How do you know? You don’t think adding Sanchez to a team with Aguero, Debruyne and co would make them serious contenders? Granted they’re probably short a midfielder but given we’re probably short at least 3 players or more and a manager from competing point remains the same if he moved to City he’s gonna compete for major trophies and if he stays here another season he’ll be competing for 4/5th

  81. Ughelligunner

    Or it is because Ozil plays for Arsenal. They always see Arsenal players as weaklings. When Xhaka was launching into tackles they saw him as brainless, but when others from tottenham and Manchester do the same and they receive no cards, they see them as ruthless players.

  82. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Tell you what, if any of the current trio on the last year of their deals rock up at a new club on the same wages then I’ll hold y hands up.

    Fact is they’ll be getting massive pay rises. Alexis has already priced himself out of a move to Bayern Munich but you spin it some other way.

    Money rules football. Ignoring that is absolute banter at its finest. You cut it whatever way suits your daily dump on Arsenal, lack of ambition is today’s buzz word.

  83. Pierre

    Can anyone explain how you can create the most chances in the first 2 games but receive the most criticism from pundits, media and ozil haters…. It don’t add up

    And Don, however the chances were created is immaterial as the same rules apply to everyone in the prem…..normally he would take the corners and free kicks but from my recollection that job was given to Xhaka so obviously the chances created were from open play….
    N5
    You said ozil can’t play when the pressure is on…
    I think if you watch the stoke game, ozil was at his most productive when arsenal went one down and needed to get back in the game.. He created chances that were squandered…
    I am sure you understand the game and would know that there is more pressure on a player chasing the game than if you were winning comfortably..
    I can remember you saying that you didn’t think ozil had a particularly good cup final.. Yeah right

  84. Don

    Marko
    My hen why didn’t he drop his high wage demands on join Bayern??
    Guaranteed trophies and way more chance if champions league trophy?
    Coz it’s about the dollar!!!
    Mic fuckin drop

  85. Don

    Cc

    Fact is they’ll be getting massive pay rises. Alexis has already priced himself out of a move to Bayern Munich but you spin it some other way.

    Fucker you stole my thunder
    We were on the same page there anyway. That in itself is all the evidence you need that Alexis is after as much as he can get even at the expense of trophies

  86. Bamford10

    Don

    You are really not very good at discussing things or making arguments. One, I’m not “devaluing” anything. I value a top four finish just as I always have. And specifically, I continue to value it above and think it more important than winning the FAC. I believe Wenger himself agrees with this evaluation.

    I will be relatively happy if we finish top four, as this should be one of our goals, but I will not be happy with a fourth place finish if a better summer window and better manager could have had us contending for the title.

    See how that works?

    You should take a deep breath, count to ten, and try to see that neither I nor anyone here is your “enemy”. We just have a more critical attitude towards the club, manager and players. If you keep on as you are, you’re never going to understand a single argument made here.

    I imagine you’ll continue in the same vein, though.

  87. Marko

    We will challenge spurs and united for the league this year and it will be hearing from me when we are up there looking down on Chelsea and Liverpool and city

    The flip flopping is amazing. After the stoke game you were throwing your toys out the pram and probably tore up your Arsene Wenger poster but a couple days later with nothing changing your back to thinking we’re gonna win the league. Simply outrageous

  88. Don

    Two, whether City can win the title this season is a matter of opinion, Don, and believe it or not, many people believe they can. That “Don” — whoever the fuck he is — doesn’t think so is completely irrelevant. Many other important voices think so, and Alexis may think so.

    BAMFORD

    right and your opinion counts for shit too. He’s being made to stay this year so shut your pie hole and suck my balls
    Remember our bet boy. I’m gonna terrorise you over Chelsea liveroool and city this year
    The three teams you were talking up all summer and they are going to bomb
    Now you’re changing tact.

  89. Don

    Marko

    Haha, throwing my toys out of my oram? Ripping up what? I’m a grown man with kids and two mortgages mate. I don’t have posters any more.
    And yes while I was disgusted at the team selection i stand by my prediction
    We will challenge for the title this year.
    Wait and see when the champions league games start to take their toll come January. You think they’re dropping points now? Not saying we will win it but we will 100% be in top four and I’m saying it again, we will make a good go for the title this year
    I know we lost and I’m annoyed we have dropped those points. It’s down to poor finishing and a mind boggling team selection but I’ll guarantee he won’t be doing that again.

  90. Bamford10

    These guys are so sad. Their arguments are awful, completely empty of reasonability — yet they persevere. On one hand you have to admire their fight; this is how governments manage to send men to their certain deaths. “ENGERLAAAAAAAAAND!!!!!!” Soldier drops dead.

    Except here it is, “ARRRRRRRRRRRRSENALLLLLLLL!!!!!!” — reason and evidence be damned.

  91. Cesc Appeal

    Don

    Two reasons really, playtime but more so Barcelona needed to sell someone to fund Suarez and he was the expendable element they could get a fee for, same with Ozil at Madrid and Bale.

    He was no doubt sold on ambition at the club, London etc, but now that has worn of and he realises we are stagnant. Not to mention the fact he is almost twenty-nine and if he wants top level success he needs to get away from Wenger.

  92. Bamford10

    Here comes the “real man” speech. He runs his own business. Has a mortgage and children. Places blind (dumb) faith in manager and club.

    A “real” man, a “real” supporter.

  93. Don

    Bamford

    That’s rich!!! I’m not good at making arguments??
    Like what? Kane is worth £40m. PSG are bigger than united or benteke is better than giroud.

  94. Marko

    Money rules football. Ignoring that is absolute banter at its finest. You cut it whatever way suits your daily dump on Arsenal, lack of ambition is today’s buzz word.

    Grant me patience. No one’s saying money doesn’t play a part but what you’re failing to acknowledge is that these players are leaving the club to compete for major honours. You keep spouting money money money like that’s the only reason why anyone would want to leave Arsenal football club. It’s not. Again it was the potential transfer fee as opposed to the free transfer that put off Bayern. I’m sure if he runs out his contract they’ve got as much a chance as anyone of signing him. Also he’s reportedly always said he wanted to stay in England

  95. Cesc Appeal

    ‘These guys are so sad. Their arguments are awful, completely empty of reasonability — yet they persevere. On one hand you have to admire their fight; this is how governments manage to send men to their certain deaths. “ENGERLAAAAAAAAAND!!!!!!” Soldier drops dead’

    Not sure about this one.

  96. Pierre

    Paulinho
    “Ozil literally has no interest or inclination to score goals, so if he wasn’t creating some sort of chance in a game then literally what is the point of him?”

    Maybe the more chances created may produce more goals…. Strange theory but it might just work..

  97. Bamford10

    Don

    “We will challenge for the title this year.”

    Let’s get some detail on this. Will we be within 7-8 points of the top in, say, April?

    For me, anything short of that is not challenging. Are you willing to say that we will do the above, Don?

  98. Marko

    My hen why didn’t he drop his high wage demands on join Bayern??
    Guaranteed trophies and way more chance if champions league trophy?
    Coz it’s about the dollar!!!
    Mic fuckin drop

    Or maybe the 70 million transfer fee has something to do with it? Maybe? Especially for a club like Bayern who do their business in a shrewd way

  99. Frank Mc

    ‘These guys are so sad. Their arguments are awful, completely empty of reasonability — yet they persevere. On one hand you have to admire their fight; this is how governments manage to send men to their certain deaths. “ENGERLAAAAAAAAAND!!!!!!” Soldier drops dead’

    What the fuck are you on about?

  100. Ughelligunner

    Anybody who thinks Ox is leaving because of trophy is deceiving himself. lol. He is not going to get a pass in those clubs by running into blind alleys or over playing the ball for a goal kick when he is suppose to pass it or use his brain. Wenger has himself to blame for giving him more time. We have too many players who cant Finnish the job. I would sell Ox, Welbeck, Walcot and Ozil in that other, they all falter to deceive.

  101. karim

    Don
    Neymar also joined psg for the Brazilian colony, in terms of well-being and in order to prepare the WC.
    Think he also wants to prove himself and the world he can lead a club to glory without Messi.
    Didn’t like the way Dani Alves was kicked out of the club either. Barça officials are awful.
    And come on, psg may never have won it, but they certainly look like they can now.

  102. Don

    Bamford

    You’re making it political now??
    Look you’re getting a sharp dose of patriotism in your native right now and it’s clearly rubbing you up the wrong way buddy. Don’t worry, you can vote again in 3 and a half years
    Haha

  103. Bamford10

    Cesc

    It’s totally true. Nationalism has a great deal in common with the attitude towards club that these types possess. I’ve tried to lay this out in many posts before, that there is this approach to club which is irrational, faith-based and quasi-religious. It is fideist.

    A sociology post-grad should do research on the overlap between this old-timey religious approach to club and nationalism.

  104. Cesc Appeal

    Unless of course, as has been rumoured all summer Sanchez wants City and his agent knows City want him, he knows what wages they will offer (high) and he has a far greater chance of success than at Arsenal.

    In which case, could Sanchez simply be angling for a City move where he will get both his desires, wages and ambition.

    Trying to paint it out to be a pure money decision ignores Arsenal lack of top level challenge and the fact we put a £340 000 a week contract under his nose.

  105. raptora

    Ozil was supposedly hold back by Giroud. Now that Lacazette is there I feel how some people will start saying that Lacazette is not making good runs.
    “He created chances that were squandered” – team is at fault.
    Ozil looks disinterested – Wenger’s fault.
    Ozil doesn’t try hard – he’s always among the first on the stats for the most distance covered and chances created.
    Ozil made his second tackle in an Arsenal shirt in the FAC vs Chelsea – he had an amazing final.

  106. Marko

    That in itself is all the evidence you need that Alexis is after as much as he can get even at the expense of trophies

    Don’t see him angling for a move to China either. I mean if it was just about making money and not competing then why not take what Arsenal are offering? Easy money and zero titles. Sounds easy enough

  107. Ughelligunner

    Marco, the 70m quote just came in recently, the bayern rumours was way back in June. If the player and club cannot agree a wage deal, how do you think the selling club can negotiate a deal with the buying club? Why are you choosing to be a dunce for the sake of it

  108. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Don’t ask for patience mate, get in the queue for some sense. Nobody is stating the only way a player leaves Arsenal is for the money, you just made that up to present a false narrative.

    Alexis and Ox aren’t leaving Arsenal for the glory. Alexis had his pick of Bayern and PSG but laughed both off with unreal personal demands, but you’re telling me his Chilean heart is set on Alderly Edge in the rain playing for a team that’s won fuck all for 3/4 years, or whatever it’s been for them?

    Tell me something, have you always been a slave to the daily mail and co.?

  109. Cesc Appeal

    Bamford

    But that have been intensely logical reasons for soldiers being deployed to war, the defeat of Nazism, national security, humanitarian concerns, the fact that for centuries we have had professional armies and the government does not necessarily always need to justify what they do.

    Actually I would say humanitarianism is a more likely justifcatory rationale in the 21st Century. I doubt you would see many British troops charging headlong into the Taliban etc shouting ‘Engeerrrland’.

    I get what you are saying, but I disagree on the comparison between soldiers and pro-Wenger fans.

    Religious zealots or cult members and I am right there with you. Or left wing social justice warriors shouting ‘racism’ at any evidence based argument they don’t like, again, right there with you.

  110. Pierre

    Raptora
    I think you will find that ozil made many goals for giroud.. All you are doing is quoting media lines that discredit ozil

  111. Ughelligunner

    there is a huge difference between 300k and 400k, also he spoke with PSG and Bayern, but not with city according to rumours. so either city are willing to pay him that, while the former refused, and so he has decided to pitch his tenth with city. All the same, i would accept any sum above 50m from City, sanchez or no sanchez we are not winning the league, so lets continue to be the business club we pride ourselves to be.

  112. Champagne charlie

    It’s that time again where Bamfords paper thin football knowledge is getting taxed so he’s switching gears and trying to introduce academia in a desperate attempt to reinforce his self appointed superior image.

    Not obvious at all mate…..

  113. Marko

    Marco, the 70m quote just came in recently, the bayern rumours was way back in June. If the player and club cannot agree a wage deal, how do you think the selling club can negotiate a deal with the buying club? Why are you choosing to be a dunce for the sake of it

    Jesus look you thick cunt if you think that it was the wages as opposed to the massive transfer fee that stopped him moving to Bayern then I’m afraid you’re lost. Which is smarter 200-250,000 a week contract and a 50-70 million transfer fee or 200-250,000 a week a signing on fee and zero transfer fee? Pretty simple even a dummy could see it. Worth noting as well you pro regime lads can spin the reasons for Sanchez leaving all you want but the fact remains he wants out of Arsenal and that looks bad for us.

  114. raptora

    It sounds more and more like the Xhaka excuses.
    Both need a better, tuned to their strengths team.

    Did Bergkamp rely on his team when it was hard? The dude would get the ball and either score or assist them the ball on an empty goal.
    Did Gerrard or Lampard, or Scholes, or Vieira, or Pirlo, or Iniesta, or Xavi, or Pires… the list is long, long. Did they need their team in order to do their job properly?! They would go in any team in the world and own that team. Make it theirs and put their stamp on it.

    Enough with the excuses and saying it’s someone else’s fault. Ozil has been underwhelming for the best part of his Arsenal career and is very close to the end his stay when the line will be drawn and his time with us will be called for what it is – a real disappointment.

  115. Don

    Karim

    You’re a little biased there though no?
    They look stronger now they have neymar but if I’m neymar and I want to win things I’m looking at that squad and thinking naaaa
    He could be player at the year at any other big club around Europe. You think it’s coincidence he’s fine to the richest club in the world? The only one owned by the people employing him as World Cup ambassador

    Don’t fool yourself
    He’s going for dollar. He could go Bayern or Juve for a wage drop and have a better chance of achieving iconic status and world player of the year, free from Messi’ shadow

  116. karim

    Cesc
    Or left wing social justice warriors shouting ‘racism’ at any evidence based argument they don’t like, again, right there with you.

    Yeah, reminds me of that Israeli journalist who made a video where he was supposedly harassed and spat on in the Paris suburb so as to show French muslims didn’t like Jews, or that Fox News comedy gold ” report ” about the no-go zones in Paris.

    You know what Cesc, sometimes they’re right !

  117. Ughelligunner

    Marko, lol, i am used to our players leaving until maybe a new owner comes and wenger is forced to retire. Right now, the only joy i get from pissing rival fans is that we sold them the league. Sanchez would leave, tommorro another would come. We are now in the category of Liverpool and Tottenham only better because we have won some trophys these past years

  118. Don

    Cc

    Spot on. He’s getting his bottom spanned by CA on that too

    CA

    Religious zealots or cult members and I am right there with you. Or left wing social justice warriors shouting ‘racism’ at any evidence based argument they don’t like, again, right there with you.

    He is a lefty social justice warrior
    Bam is DAT GUY

  119. Up 4 grabs now

    Afternoon all,

    For those thinking we’re scrapping it out for 4th this year, and think it will be easy, seem to have forget that the two manc clubs and Chelsea will be above us.

    Which leaves fourth to be fought over by us, the bin dippers, Everton and the spuds. And there’s usually a wild card in the mix for some of the season as well.

    We couldn’t get fourth last year and that was with a fired up Sanchez. This year he’s gone by the end of the transfer window.
    Get shot now, See if psg will swap for draxler and some cash.
    Get rid of Chamberlain asap, tell ozil to sign or play in the reserves in a world cup year,but do something.

    Oh and stop fucking playing fullbacks as central halves!

  120. Marko

    Trying to paint it out to be a pure money decision ignores Arsenal lack of top level challenge and the fact we put a £340 000 a week contract under his nose.

    Ssshhh that makes too much sense

  121. Don

    Jesus look you thick cunt if you think that it was the wages as opposed to the massive

    Now who’s throwing their toys out of their pram marko?

    And I wouldn’t go round calling people thick if I were you, you have to be, hands down, the stupidest poster on here. Literally every week you make a point, confuse yourself then counter your own point, get laughed at, then retreat into hiding for a few hours with your tail between your legs

  122. raptora

    Pierre,
    I know that Ozil has made a lot of assists to Giroud. What were they? Crosses from corners or free kicks mostly. Then the cross from the flanks since Giroud has excellent first touch shot from hard situations. Is that his game?! Making the odd cross here and there?! How special is that? His numbers being the best with Giroud leading the attack is exactly what I’m talking about. It’s not a reliable statistic. How amazing was Xhaka’s assist for Giroud’s goal vs Leicester? The dude had 3 ppl on his back!!!
    Ozil mostly slows our game, does simple passes, gives zero fight, hides if we are being pressed, and gives the odd cross. That’s all that he does.

  123. Phallasaurus

    And there was me thinking you two had suspended hostilities….

    Some weird self harming shit going on over at the Bridge by sounds of it.

  124. Marko

    but you’re telling me his Chilean heart is set on Alderly Edge in the rain playing for a team that’s won fuck all for 3/4 years, or whatever it’s been for them?

    You could look at it that way or you could say he’s looking to move from a club who hasn’t competed for a league title in going on 14 years to a club on the up who’s won two league titles during that time. Not to mention he’s more likely to compete in Europe with City than he is with Arsenal. Oh and Pep compared to Arsene? Come on now

  125. Leftsidesanch

    I am very pleased with our market because we bought good players who can integrate with our style of play. That’s what we want. On the other hand, it is very difficult. Today, the prices are out of proportion. The transfer market has become very demanding today.

    There is no transfer market anymore because the price depends only on the identity of the buyer and when you are English, you have straight away 50% on the price of a player and that makes it difficult to act.

    = excuses for everything. How he’s still so lauded by certain clowns I’ll never understand.

  126. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Right, so City are a better chance for trophies than Arsenal so therein lies your basis for his decision over money?

    Explain how Bayern or PSG compare for title chances to Manchester City, what’s the “rationale” for Alexis not already being unveiled at one of those?

  127. karim

    Don

    I agree to an extent although I still think the comfortable decision was to stay.

    Bayern ? They have just beaten their transfer record with …Tolisso, not sure they could afford him and I heard England wasn’t his cuppa. Maybe Juve then..after what they spent for Higuain, I doubt it.

    And they employ him as an ambassador as part of the deal, that’s irrelevant here.

  128. Paulinho

    Pierre – Because chance created stat is so daft and wishy-washy in the first place.

    Ozil could spend the whole match thirty yards from goal teeing up people for shots that won’t go in and they would all be marked down as ‘chance created’. He put in a decent cross for Welbeck, but even then Welbeck still had a lot to do and if he had scored it would’ve been Welbeck that deserved most of the credit.

    You still don’t seem to grasp the idea that Ozil is not interested in scoring, and purposely doesn’t put himself in positions to do so, and if he did his chance creation stats would go down the pan because he wouldn’t be in a position to set up countless speculative ‘chances’.

  129. Don

    Marko

    Nooooo
    Again. He was wanted by Bayern. Who are in the world’s top 3 club sides at the moment. Yet the only clubs he will entertain have never won the champions league and and won of them hasn’t won the league for over 3 years now and don’t look likely to win at again until may 2019 at the ealiest.
    Either way it doesn’t matter really. He is staying this year and that’s that. Then he will leave and pocket top dollar. He will never win the champions league though if he joins city or PSG.
    I’ll get you that. And if it were only trophies he was after he would still be at Barca. I love Sanchez as a player but he’s clearly after as much money as he can get, even if that means not playing for Barca or Bayern which he’s had the chance to do.