Changes that could help Arsenal beat stagnation

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“Oh man, you’re so damn angry all the time’

‘Why can’t you see the other perspective?’

*Clicks F365*

While March, April and May brought promises of war chests and lists of transfer targets produced by club-friendly journalists who were prepared to follow the Linguaphone mantra of listen, repeat and learn without questioning, June has brought the type of news vacuum that Arsenal specialise in just when supporters are so keen for progress. The key to comedy and tragedy is in the timing and practice, and Arsenal have strong suits in both.

Arsenal fans will remember a summer like this, when the potential departures of key players not only threatened to dent the quality of the first-team squad but also stopped the club from doing business. Six years ago, Samir Nasri and Cesc Fabregas played the roles of Ozil and Sanchez. After months spent trying to persuade the pair that the grass away from the Emirates may not be greener, one left for Barcelona on August 15 and the other joined Manchester City on August 24. The similarities between Nasri and Sanchez – contract situation, pushing for move, potential destination, Arsene Wenger determined not to sell to a domestic rival – are striking.

 

God bless you Daniel Storey, god bless you.

Things with Arsenal and summer, is most fans don’t realise how many consecutive years they’ve been waiting for the tide to change. I’ve been writing this for 10 years. I am bored of the consistent ebb and flow of Arsenal content. You could literally be reading 2013 Le Grove, modernise a few of the names, and it’d be the same narrative.

It’s laughable how predictable we are. The only thing we haven’t had to deal with over the last few years is players leaving. That’s now back on the agenda because the promise that a monied Wenger would be lethal shockingly didn’t come to pass.

This summer, our two best players are either holding us hostage, or they’re looking to move. We should have made a decision on what to do about this months ago. This is where having a DoF on the job would help. You’d have someone who could have been scenario planning the shit out of this, looking for clubs to move the players onto, and looking into proper replacements should the worst happen.

I’m still not quite buying into the signings we’re looking to bring in. Thomas Lemar, sure, looks like a great player in the making. Lacazette isn’t doing it for me, I’m just struggling to see him as anything more than a pacier Giroud. Remember, there’s a reason the French national team prefer Olivier, and consistently have done for years. We should be going hard for Auba. He’s fast, he’s 6ft 1, he’s been playing stylish football for years and he can speak French. Also, how much more cash is he going to be than Lacazette? He’s playing in a better league, at a better level, and he’s been incredibly consistent. A monster of a player.

Who are we looking at as a keeper to compete with Petr Cech? In fact, why aren’t we upgrading our keeper? Find one who can play out from the back.

Who are we bringing in to replace Santi Cazorla? A player who has cost us BIG over the last 2 seasons.

Who is bringing accountability to the players? To make them press, work hard, give a fuck. Where are our leaders? Can’t be Mustafi, he’s not good enough. We’ve seen it’s not Xhaka, he’s too much of a headcase. Who are we looking to raise the levels in the squad?

Then the big one. Who is going to make this team better?

We should be signing a young coach who is blowing things out the water. Where is there an assistant manager in Europe doing amazing things? Who can we pinch from Pep? Who does Bielsa work with? Who does Ancelotti have in his backroom team? Who has been doing great stuff with a Madrid or the Barca B team? If Tuchel is such an incredible coach, but struggles to behave like a human being, why don’t we talk to him about coming into the fold?

All CRAZY ideas. But look, you can’t progress if you don’t change anything. The best organisations are constantly changing things up.  Silicon Valley tech brands have to constantly buy startups to keep themselves future facing, through fear of being the next Yahoo. People in the modern workforce have to constantly reinvent themselves to stay relevant. None of the jobs I’ve had in the last 5 years existed 10 years ago, and my job won’t be the same in 5 years time.

To rest on your laurels it to cede success to the competition. Which is why it’s so interesting that our CEO and owner seems to be so intent on reinforcing Wenger’s ivory towers… because all evidence supports the theory that the Arsenal foundations are rusting to dangerous levels.

Arsene Wenger hasn’t changed his training in 20 years. Literally, the most innovative thing he’s done in the last year is copy the Chelsea formation. How can you blaze a trail if the best you can do is imitate? How can the club expect to be taken seriously when it actively persues the agenda of a man who doesn’t care about winning?

Anyway, the above is why I am frustrated. There’s so little to be excited about, and there is no end date to the death grip Wenger has on Arsenal.

Very depressing.

273 Responses to “Changes that could help Arsenal beat stagnation”

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  1. Bankz

    The ONLY change needed at the Emirates is Wenger.
    Maybe, just maybe Stan but Wenger first before any other change.

  2. jwl

    It is accepted in football, and sports in general, that a manager has 3-4 years to be effective then players start to get cynical and ignore manager because they’ve heard it all before. Pep, Mour, Ancelotti …. they move every few years while Fergie constantly changed his coaches and was ruthless with buy/sell of players to keep squad fresh.

    Wenger does none of this. If Wenger could get away with it, he would pick 15/16 players and they would serve him for next decade. Wenger is reactionary, nothing can change around Wenger because change is scary.

  3. Micheal

    Good post, Pedro. I share your frustration and tired of the same old, same old with no sign that things will ever change.

    But Banz is wrong – “The ONLY change needed at the Emirates is Wenger.
    Maybe, just maybe Stan but Wenger first before any other change.”

    Wenger works for Kroenke – not the other way round. Wenger is a bad manager because the owner employs a bad manager.

    A fish rots from the head.

  4. OleGunner

    Will say it again, Wenger has effectively staged the most ingenious coup in football history we’ve seen with that two year contract extension+pay rise. Why the fuck would he change his ways when he effectively won and his stipulations such as no sporting director, we’re met?

    On topic, it is quite shocking we are not in for Aubameyang. Much more realistic than Mbappe (which hilariously, Arsenal fans think can be done) and more of a finished product.

  5. Rambo Ramsey

    Rhys Jagger

    Interesting how a few people on this site seriously think Arsenal should be the production family for young french talent, a 25 year production line.I can think of nothing more disgusting than pay the highest prices in world football to develop the national team of France for a generation.

    I really cannot.Arsenal FC is majority paid for by the English. The French will contribute well less than 10%. Simple maths tells you that.

    If that is what you want, say so. And get every match day programme printed in French. get yourselves some french lessons, make Arsenal TV a French speaking channel and hold all Press Conferences in French. Eliminate 5000 English season ticket holders and sell them cheap to Parisians in a joint deal with Eurostar.

    Go on, get the priorities right. Treat the English like French servants, charge the English more to watch Arsenal and make every aspect of Arsenal FC a French club…..
    ——————————————————–

    Honorary Patriot,

    Football is a global sport and while your indignation at anything/anyone non English brings tears of laughter to my eyes, I shall take a few seconds to remind you-

    You have an American and an Uzbek as main shareholders, you have a South African CEO, you have a French manager, your stadium is named after a middle Eastern franchise, your kits are made by a German MNC, your kit is sponsored by a middle Eastern company, your massive TV deals are massive in part due to global audiences, the best players in the history of your club are foreign.

  6. Ishola70

    Julien Laurens has said he thinks Wenger himself would prefer Lacazette over Aubameyang.

    Thinks Lacazette would fit into Arsenal’s style of play better whatever that style of play is meant to be now.

    Also makes mention of the EPL being a tighter league defensively than the Bundesliga. That is one of the main attractions of the Bundesliga. It is a very open league defensively with plenty of goals, shitloads of space for attacking players.

    Again there is no doubts at all that Aubameyang is a very good striker but the points being made about him by some contrary to this he is the best thing since sliced bread are very relevant. His style of play is six yard box striker and plays in a very open league in comparison to other top european leagues.

    Ironically the league Lacazette plays in is tighter defensively than both the Bundesliga and EPL. Forget about quality of player. More teams in the French League park the bus and put men behind the ball than either the Bundesliga or EPL. And Lacazette has a very good goalscoring record playing in such conditions over past seasons. It is also generally noted that Lacazette is a better “footballer” overall than Aubameyang. Has better technique.

    Again this is not me championing Lacazette. I would not be entirely sure about him either if he signed. But there does seem to be on here a very big negativity regarding Lacazette which I notice is added onto Pedders’ big negativity about him and some just some are questioning this Aubameyang cures all ills notion.

  7. Idowu

    @Pedro on Lacazette .– “I’m just struggling to see him as anything more than a pacier Giroud. Remember, there’s a reason the French national team prefer Olivier, and consistently have done for years” ……

    The Logic here is wrong , the only reason Giroud plays for France is cos he plays for Arsenal. if Lacazette joins Arsenal, he will bench Giroud for sure .. sometimes player pedigree matters when they play for national teams.

  8. Ishola70

    London Gunners recent post about Lacazette and Aubameyang was a good one.

    Independent thinking from him rather than this universal general assumption.

  9. ADKB

    I’m not frustrated. I’m not angry. I’m not upset. My wait for a different Arsenal is only delayed for another 2 years.

  10. HighburyLegend

    ” and there is no end date to the death grip Wenger has on Arsenal.”

    There is one.
    We just simply don’t know when.

  11. CHALO!

    I’m hoping here that at least some fans with that opportunity would at least speak out against this shambles… No point asking the club what they want to do cuz they’ll just brush it aside with the usual rhetoric.

  12. Bamford10

    Raptora

    “Let’s put Wenger aside. What does our team need to become a true force in EPL player-wise?”

    Good question for discussion.

  13. Ishola70

    Dortmund have informed Aubameyang that he has until the end of the month to sort out a transfer to another club. If he doesn’t sort out a move by then Dortmund are saying he will stay at the club.

    So it’s just a question then isn’t it of which club signs him in the next few weeks? 70 million price Dortmund want for him is not a hindrance. The player himself has indicated he would be up for a move. What are these clubs waiting for? He is there to buy. One poster on here said that if Aubameyang signed for Arsenal this would result in Arsenal winning the league. Should be a big queue of clubs then going in for him in the next few weeks.

  14. Champagne charlie

    How often do people on here moan about who Wenger selects ahead of other players? Ramsey is a common complaint.

    Just why then does the narrative change because one guy picks Giroud over Lacazette for the national team? It’s the most ignorant “reason” to judge Lacazette I can think of.

    Giroud starts over Mbappe by that same logic, let’s not bother with him either? Lacazette is quality and consistent. As good as Aubameyang is, he’s not the striker you want against a team playing men behind the ball. Unreal number 9, but his technique and ability with the ball is nothing to get excited about.

  15. Carts

    I predict a supermarket sweep similar to the one in 2011 summer.

    Previously said that Sanchez is holding out for a move to Chelsea or City. He’ll play the long game, then when the clock is winding down, we’ll cave in to his wish.

    Ozil, I don’t give a flying fook about. If he stays then he’ll be our highest earner but about £100k pw.

    This is the shit that Wenger’s has created. A limited player in Ozil making naughty money while we overpay pricks like Ramsey

  16. Elmo

    “The Logic here is wrong , the only reason Giroud plays for France is cos he plays for Arsenal. if Lacazette joins Arsenal, he will bench Giroud for sure .. sometimes player pedigree matters when they play for national teams.”

    Giroud plays for France because it suits Griezmann, just as Gameiro has been in the France squad primarily because he is used to being a foil for Griezmann at Atleti.

    That changes when you have new stars emerging like Mbappe, who you soon won’t be able to deny a starting spot,

    On Lacazette, his goalscoring record speaks for itself (even ignoring the fact that 10 of his Ligue 1 goals were penalties), but when I watched him last season in the big games that would simulate expectations at Arsenal (OL’s games against PSG, Roma etc), while he did bag a couple of goals he would also drop out of the game completely, leading to being substituted. We’ve seen many vaunted strikers from ‘lesser’ leagues come to the PL and just be unable to assert the influence they are used to. Obviously transfer valuations have moved on, but at £35m / EUR 40m it would be a good risk-reward proposition, but if we’re talking £60m you’re in the realms where you’re buying in a player for proven world-class superstar money who might not be able to make the step up. There will be a whole load more pressure on a £60m Lacazette to immediately be one of the stars of the PL compared to Giroud when he arrived for £10m.

    Having said that, if the alternative is just continuing to leave money sitting in the bank while transfer fees inflate and sterling plummets, then you might as well just do it.

    It will be sad and typical Arsenal, though, if a proven superstar like Sanchez leaves for £50m and we bring in Lacazette for £60m. Would remind me of when we sold a 29 year old Thierry Henry to Barca for £16m (actually EUR 24m; £1 bought EUR 1.48 then!), the same summer as Darren Bent was signed by Villa for £18m!

  17. Jordan

    I strongly disagree on Aubameyang being the much better player than Lacazette specifically ‘playing stylish football’ as I think Lacazette has more to his game, probably a better finisher too. Yeah he’s taller, faster and has played at a higher level which justifying you favoring him without having to downplay Lacazette’s ability. The he’s behind Giroud in the French team line is extremely lazy too.
    I

  18. Jeff

    “Let’s put Wenger aside. What does our team need to become a true force in EPL player-wise?”

    A miracle.

  19. Jeff

    History has taught us that when you extend a lunatic megalomaniac the benefit of the doubt, he doesn’t suddenly change for the better. It is invariably for the worse.

  20. Elmo

    And should we have gone after Bernardo Silva and tried to get him to play the Cazorla junction box position? I know he played on the right side at Monaco, and that he’s lightweight for the middle and would need proper coverage from a sitting midfielder, but he simply doesn’t lose the ball, and City are clearly looking for him to eventually succeed David Silva in a similar role. Bearing in mind he was bought for £42m, that would be well within our means if we had invested in turning his head over previous months. Ramsey / Wilshere sold plus a little extra cash and we’d have a big quality upgrade and a coherent step on from Cazorla.

    Has Wenger given up on the idea of building the team around having a quick redistributor in midfield who facilitates the play style?

  21. Elmo

    Spot on, Jeff. You can look through history and count on one hand the number of rulers in positions of autocracy who voluntarily chose to give up power or arrange a timely succession (Diocletian and a couple of others).

    Left to his own devices, Wenger will NEVER elect to cede power, change management style, or build the foundations for a transition. Probably one of the most relevant developments in media coverage last season was that mainstream voices finally started to realise that he’s never going to ‘go gracefully’ or allow his influence to be slowly reigned in; he’ll plough on as long as he possibly can, regardless of results.

  22. London gunner

    Aubameyang Not as good as many people think.

    He scores a fuck load of tap ins that pad his stats and rarely scores world class or solo individualistic goals.

    He scored around 18 tap ins from the season he scored 31 goals, that number isn’t including the penalties he took or the headers from mitre away.

    The defence in bundisliga is really limited and teams get carved up easily on the counter by playing a very exposed game.

    Aubam is also limited technically he is actually a really shite dribbler, never beats a player with skill. This is isn’t so bad because against teams who comit he can expose them on the counter with pace, but he would
    Be neutered against your top level teams who keep it tight and your smaller park thebus teams.

    I can completely understand why people aren’t thrilled by lacazette the isn’t an aesthetic player, but he could turn out to be a higuain aka some what shunned, somewhat boring and unglamorous with questions marks over his quality, but turned out to be quality.

    I actually think lacazette and higuain have similar games solid technically, decent athletically, but their quality really lying in their intelligence movement and finishing/composure(tho higuain has bottled some big games)

    Trust me watch abit of his play and you will see that most of the goals he gets aren’t due to brilliance to his half but being played in and laid it on the plate by dembele.

    In theory he sounds great loads of goals and pacy as fuck but do a little analysis scratch beneath the surface and he isn’t as good as many think.

  23. TR7

    The more I think about it the more sense Lacazzete signing makes. His link up play and dribbling ability is a major plus given how we play. Our full backs don’t cross that much. Lacazzete prefers to deal with passes and through balls than crosses, so that is a plus as well. His finishing is much better than Giroud for sure. Downside is he will be yet another midget in our attack besides the obvious concern whether he will adapt to the pace and physicality of EPL.

  24. Ishola70

    London gunner:
    “Aubameyang Not as good as many people think.”

    Proof will be in the pudding.

    He is available to buy and is up to leaving Dortmund and his price is not extortionate.

    That should mean that the top clubs will want him considering how highly he is rated by some on this blog.

    So far PSG have gone cold on him and not interested to buy him and he was too expensive to take on for a Chinese club.

    Liverpool have been linked to him but tbh the way he is talked about by some on here you would expect an even bigger club to go in for him.

    If he is not signed by one of the big clubs this summer how does this coincide with his fanboys telling how great a signing he would be.

  25. Wallace

    I’d prefer Lacazette. can’t argue with Aubameyang’s goal tally over the last 3yrs, but just don’t fancy him as a player.

  26. Marko

    I like Lacazette but Auba is better he’s a better striker but not by much. People who seem to all a sudden wax lyrical about Lacazette and nitpick Aubameyang are the people who know that we’re likely to sign one over the other and wanna I guess maybe talk about how shrewd a signing Arsene is making again. Fact is we should of signed him the last two summers. And now two years later we’ll probably sign him at just about the same time that Belotti or Icardi or Aubameyang are available. But look better late than never I suppose.

  27. Marko

    I’d prefer Lacazette. can’t argue with Aubameyang’s goal tally over the last 3yrs, but just don’t fancy him as a player.

    What exactly don’t you fancy about him? I’m sure if we were heavily linked to Auba you’d still think Lacazette is the better player but what exactly about Auba doesn’t convince you?

  28. Wallace

    Marko

    “What exactly don’t you fancy about him? I’m sure if we were heavily linked to Auba you’d still think Lacazette is the better player but what exactly about Auba doesn’t convince you?”

    he’s just a speedster. Walcott with more end product. I prefer my #9 to have more ability – RVP, Suarez, Alexis, van Basten – not saying he wouldn’t score a lot of goals, just that he’s not my kind of player.

    and you can fling Giroud & Welbeck at me but they weren’t costing 70m+. would just expect a bit more for that kind of money.

  29. Marko

    Lacazette is more of a speedster than Auba. The guy’s clinical in or around the box so whatever limitations you think he may or may not have I guarantee you Lacazette has them and more. He scored 40+ goals last season you get what you pay for. If he cost 70 million and Lacazette costs 60 million which deal do you go for? For the expense of 10 million one makes more sense than the other. And that shite about the French league being more defensive than the open German league is absolute bollox. He outscored Lewandowski ffs. By that logic Belotti and Icardi are better strikers cause they’re banging them in in Italy for fun

  30. Champagne charlie

    Usual suspects setting the scene just in case we buy a player worth getting. Narrative goes from we don’t buy the right ones to well we didn’t buy them until now.

    Predictable as ever.

    Wallace
    Totally agree with you. Lacazette is in no way close to the type of striker Aubameyang is, he’s arguably less deadly but he’s a much better footballer technically. Aubameyang is a clinical fast player, Lacazette is quick, clever, good with the ball at his feet and can play in tight spaces. He’d suit us better

  31. Ishola70

    Lewandowski is a far better player than Aubameyang Marko.

    It has been noted that Auba has disappointed in some of the bigger stage matches away from the Bundesliga.

    Also Bayern don’t tailor their game around Lewandowski to the extent that Dortmund do this for Auba.

    You can get irritated Marko lol but tell me if Lewandowski was on the market right now for 70m you know as well as me that clubs would be going apeshit to sign him.

    What have we seen so far re: Auba? PSG not interested in him. He was up to going to China but that fell through because Chinese club couldn’t afford him.

    Said before if Auba is as good as you seem to be saying Marko a big club will go in for him this summer and soon.

  32. Wallace

    guessing it’ll be more like a 20m difference in their eventual price tags. would just prefer to go for the cheaper, younger(26 vs 28) player.

  33. Marko

    Usual suspects setting the scene just in case we buy a player worth getting. Narrative goes from we don’t buy the right ones to well we didn’t buy them until now

    Nothing wrong with a bit of debate is there. Question becomes if we end up signing Lacazette why didn’t we sign him any of the last two summers? Any thoughts on that? At the expense of another season why not sign a striker who could of potentially helped us challenge for a championship. He might have made a difference the season Leicester won it.

  34. Marko

    Lewandowski is a far better player than Aubameyang Marko.

    I’m not debating that I’m just saying that he IS better than Lacazette.

  35. Ishola70

    Marko:
    “I’m not debating that I’m just saying that he IS better than Lacazette.”

    I’m neutral on Lacazette really. Could be good, may not work out.

    I was just seeing on here not from you btw but other posters and how they are so negative about Lacazette.

    And yes there is a sense too of questioning people’s view that Auba is undisptably and undeniably this top, top striker in world football.

    He’s on the market now Marko for 70m. He says he is up to leaving Dortmund. Where are the clubs in for him? The big clubs? They should be knocking the door down for him this undisputed top,top striker.

  36. Champagne charlie

    “Question becomes if we end up signing Lacazette why didn’t we sign him any of the last two summers?”

    Doesn’t become that at all. Does if you’re as you are, totally fixated on discussing flaws of the current regime. Everyone knows we’ve needed a striker of quality since RVP.

    If we finally address that I’m not going to pout and moan why it took us so long. We’d have addressed it, onwards we go.

    That’s the trouble with your ilk, we could sign Mbappe, Lacazette, Lamar, and Varane but you’d always turn around and say “doesn’t mean anything with Wenger in charge”. It’s the same inane commentary time and again, it’s beggars belief why you even follow Arsenal. So you change your angle when a Lacazette arrives, I’ll be supportive of us fulfilling a need. Simples

  37. Wallace

    surprised none of the Italian football watching le grovers have mentioned Schick before. he looks high quality.

  38. Marko

    He’s on the market now Marko for 70m. He says he is up to leaving Dortmund. Where are the clubs in for him? The big clubs? They should be knocking the door down for him this undisputed top,top striker.

    I dunno. I suppose it’s hard to know for sure if City and Madrid will move for him.They might. If no one does and we sign Lacazette does that make Lacazette better?

  39. Ishola70

    Marko:
    “I dunno. I suppose it’s hard to know for sure if City and Madrid will move for him.They might. If no one does and we sign Lacazette does that make Lacazette better?”

    I don’t think either of those clubs will move for him, I don’t think a real big hitter is going to sign him. Possibly Liverpool. That’s it. What would that tell us? That Auba is maybe over-rated?

    As said not sure if Lacazette will prove a great signing but he sure is getting a lot of dissing on this blog.

    Lacazette under-rated? Auba over-rated? Possibly.

  40. Doublethink

    The guy’s clinical in or around the box so whatever limitations you think he may or may not have I guarantee you Lacazette has them and more.

    So if I say Aubameyang is a limited dribbler and passer you guarantee that Lacazette is even more limited in those areas? That doesn’t make much sense.

  41. Marko

    Doesn’t become that at all. Does if you’re as you are, totally fixated on discussing flaws of the current regime. Everyone knows we’ve needed a striker of quality since RVP. If we finally address that I’m not going to pout and moan why it took us so long. We’d have addressed it, onwards we go.

    But of course you won’t question why we never addressed a need for so long at the expense of challenging for honours. You don’t care you’re so fixated on the manager that it doesn’t matter. You’re an apologist an AKB as they say first and foremost. To you it doesn’t matter that It’s possibly taken 5/6 years to sign a striker he’s a genius for finally doing it. There’s no debating with you your ilk as you say. But hey look as long as you’re happy blindly supporting this mediocrity that’s ok

  42. Tomtom

    Lacazette certainly won’t be signing for the likes of Madrid, Barcelona, Juve, Bayern or any other big European side.
    He’s not the type of player to win us titles and would offer us very little on top of what we already have

  43. Marko

    I don’t think either of those clubs will move for him, I don’t think a real big hitter is going to sign him.

    Depends. If Aguero goes city would likely be right in there. If Morata goes does Madrid need another striker? They were interested in him last summer. I could almost guarantee you if (they won’t) Bayern were to sell Lewandowski they’d almost certainly go for PEA

  44. Marko

    Manolas who we tried to sign last summer is apparently close to joining Zenit for 29 million. If we end up with Kjaar we’ll look very clever indeed. Nothing like addressing an issue

  45. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Showing yourself up as per.

    I said I’d be happy we finally addressed a need in the team, absolutely no mention of Wenger or anyone else. You’re obsessed mate.

    I stated that everyone knows we’ve needed a striker since RVP. What you’re saying is if we finally get one worthy of leading the line you’re going to be moaning about why now and not sooner – I’d rather get on with things given we’d addressed a glaring need.

    That doesn’t compute with you though, rather spout some akb apologist bollocks when Wenger wasn’t even mentioned by me. What a cuck

  46. Rambo Ramsey

    Why bother with deep discussions? If Sanchez stays, we won’t be signing either Lacazette or Aubameyang. Even if Sanchez leaves, we won’t sign Lacazette as long as Giroud is on the books.

    That’s the way Arsenal rolls as you should all know well by now.

  47. Relieable Sauce

    Lol, Dixon getting a bit of the Oatley treatment.
    She owns these AKB clowns as well as their master.

  48. Marko

    That doesn’t compute with you though, rather spout some akb apologist bollocks when Wenger wasn’t even mentioned by me. What a cuck

    Any idea why we never addressed the issue? The reason I keep mentioning the fact is because if 5/6 years later old great eye for talent finally addresses the striker issue does that or should that absolve him of his complete lack of negligence for so long in that area. I mean for someone who supposedly loves the club he’s really been acting like he hasn’t given a single fuck for so long. That or he’s utterly and completely fucking useless

  49. LeMassiveCoq

    Anyone watch Better Call Saul?

    I hope Wengers exit from Arsenal is like Chucks from Hamlin Hamlin and McGill

  50. champagne charlie

    Marko
    Crying on the internet should do something about it.

    He just signed a new two year deal, if you want to spend that time b itching about him be my guest. Just don’t bother doing it my way because I support arsenal and id rather focus on the possibilities and hopefulness of the situation.

    Football is a sport, its my pastime, and its my club. Not got any interest spending time after time hounding a bloke.

    Is he capable of winning the league? I think yes, if certain things change. I’d rather hope those things change than moan about whats been and done. Have at it though.

  51. Marko

    Is he capable of winning the league? I think yes, if certain things change. I’d rather hope those things change than moan about whats been and done. Have at it though.

    History would suggest that’s a kind of blind hope. My question then becomes Charlie at what point do you become fed up with the whole situation and start to blame him or become more vocal in your criticism. I mean I was probably like you about 5 seasons ago but all the excuses ran out and then it became obvious that’s it’s him. Also absolutely nothing wrong with bitching and moaning when you see something you’ve become so invested in for years being run so negligently. Club is rotten to the core. We’ve gone from challenging for titles to not really giving a fuck. Sad really

  52. Redtruth

    The deplorable shenanigans at the club are not tolerated by real fans and this is why Champagne charlie and his ilk should go and fuck off and support another club..

  53. Marko

    He just signed a new two year deal, if you want to spend that time b itching about him be my guest. Just don’t bother doing it my way because I support arsenal and id rather focus on the possibilities and hopefulness of the situation.

    It’s kind of funny but substitute 2 for 4 and Arsenal for America and you’re making a case for Trump towards a democrat. Bitch and moan at what’s happening I say

  54. Leedsgunner

    It’s almost comical that some people still think it’s not Wenger’s fault but the strength of the first team— as if they are two separate entities. In their minds we are JUST one or two players away from being an all conquering team.

    The truth is we have been “one or two players” away for the past thirteen years.

    If we weren’t plagued with injuries…
    If we just started the season better…
    If, if, if.

    Let’s be serious and face the truth. In Özil we have a great playmaker. In Sanchez we have a goalscoring fighter. Wenger still couldn’t win the league with them on board. In fact, this season… despite declaring this group of players to be his best attacking force ever, this team finished outside top 4.

    The weaknesses are our club are well known to us and our opponents, but the powers that be at the club, including Wenger, Kronke and the Board refuse to address them. The real Q has to be why is that?

    The Answer? They are happy not to win… the league and the Champion’s League anyways. They are happy to be the runt of the elite of the EPL.

    We are the richest small minded club in the world.

  55. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Clubs in turmoil ….

    Clubs in crisis

    Clubs in chaos ….

    This season will be a fuckfest

    If Arsenal were a horse it would be put down ….an the head cut off an left on wengers bed …

  56. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Charlie

    I agree it ain’t with the energy of moaning about the cunt we would be better off praying that he leaves ….

    Realistically as a club we are dead under him.
    We are driving up the motorway in a fisher price car with him .

  57. Tomtom

    What will we do with Welbeck if he has another injury hit season?
    Terrible decision to sign him with such a bad history of injuries.
    We have so many players that should have been shown the door years ago but Wenger seems content with mediocrity.
    The attitude of the club needs to change, ruthlessness is needed to succeed at the top level

  58. salparadisenyc

    Incredible the plethora of French/Ligue 1 talent Wenger and scouting department have missed out on that they are now attempting to prize at top dollar.

  59. Tomtom

    Looking forward to the lions game on Saturday.
    Players with real commitment and loyalty that are not all about the money and are first to accept responsibility for a poor display.
    Sadly lacking in football nowadays

  60. Pierre

    Ruth
    “Supporters like Champagne charlie fucking off would be a catalyst for change and yield an instant improvement in the team…”

    So how would that work then Ruth …….. How would CC not being around yield an instant improvement in the team……. Does CC pick the team , does he decide the tactics , is he out there looking to sign players ….will the players all decide to up their game because of CC….

  61. ArseneisaFraud

    CC

    Is he capable of winning the league? I think yes, if certain things change. I’d rather hope those things change than moan about whats been and done. Have at it though.

    What you fail to realise is that AW will not change. To give you a crystal clear example of this: all his backroom staff have all had their contracts renewed. A manager who wants to succeed changes their backroom staff (cf. Alex Ferguson. He did it 3 times.). Now if you factor in that AW will not change, what are you left with?

  62. Champagne charlie

    Marko
    What are you talking about? I’ve been there and done that as far as being fed up with the status quo, trouble is we are quite literally fresh off a galvanisation as far as Arsenal management is concerned. Wenger isn’t even the big issue at Arsenal so I refuse to waste my time moaning about his misgivings.

    What you need to realise, is that your myopic regurgitated hatred towards Wenger is utterly fruitless. By all means you’re entitled to your view, but moaning about him at every turn in here does nothing. I would hope that’s not what gives you pleasure in football but who knows. I’d sooner look at the possibilities even if the leadership isn’t what I’d wish for at Arsenal.

    Steve…..I see someone put fifty pence in the wanker.

    Samesong
    Remains to be seen mate, better to live in hope with football I always feel. At the end of the day it’s not that serious

  63. Bamford10

    Champagne

    “Is he capable of winning the league? I think yes, if certain things change.”

    Hilarious. This is precisely what I said your view was about a month ago, at which point you lamely claimed I was unfairly misrepresenting your view.

    Except that I was absolutely correct: you think Wenger is capable of winning the title. You just didn’t want to come out and say this at that time.

    Tell us, though, what “things” need to change for Wenger to win the title next season or the following? Please be specific.

  64. Bamford10

    Pierre

    I think Red’s point is that if all Arsenal fans were anti-Wenger — as we are — then he would have been driven out some time ago.

  65. Bamford10

    I re-post this for the benefit of our resident AKBs, who might have missed it the first time around.
    ____

    Robert Pires

    “I can see that Arsene Wenger is the same guy and the same manager he has been for a long, long time.”

    Yes, that is the problem.

    “Now, the most important thing is to look forward for the new season. The objective is to win the Premier League.”

    Yes, we agree that that is the objective; how has Wenger fared in relation to this objective over the past ten years? Answer: he has failed — miserably.

    Indeed, he hasn’t even contended for the title once in that time.

    As for next season, will Wenger be judged (by the board) based on how he does relative to the objective above, i.e., winning/contending for the PL? He should be, and we here will certainly be judging him on that basis. Actually, we already reached our final judgment on him some time ago: not good enough, irreparably flawed.

    “This summer is very important for us … I don’t know what will happen by the end of the transfer window but I know Arsene Wenger has a lot of work to do this summer.”

    Interesting, because I don’t think Arsene believes he has “a lot of work” to do this summer. I think he believes he has a couple of things to do.

    Look at his remarks re the team only needing “two or three” players.

    Look at what he has done thus far in the window. Does this look like a man who believes he has “a lot of work” to do, who is intent on winning the title next season?

    No, not at all. This looks like the same old Arsene Wenger: more or less content with what he has, more or less content with fourth place, not at all bothered by having no real chance at the title and motivated most of all by his desire to thumb his nose at the world and do things his way, regardless the results.

    That is Arsene Wenger.

    How you have failed to see this at this point, Mr. Pires, is a little baffling.

  66. Champagne charlie

    Bamford
    Whats hilarious is the fact you think I’ll answer your pathetic line of questioning you persist in coming out with. My views have been clear at every step, it’s you that revels in assigning views to people so excuse yourself for not being up to speed princess.

    Keep banging that drum though, I’m sure someone will engage with your bollocks on here. Not me though, bored of your fat ugly mug.

  67. Samir

    I really get the feeling M’Bappe is going to choose us you know guys. It just makes more sense as a career move. No doubt he will end up at Madrid one day.

    If he does come, part of me will be glad Wenger signed on. M’Bappe, Sanchez and Ozil up top would be a dream come true. Add a DM that compliments Xhaka and we’d be set.

  68. Bamford10

    Just watched 15 minutes of Lacazette highlights and, though highlights are highlights, I have to say I might be OK with him being the CF signing. But he will only be effective as a CF in the PL and CL if he has an excellent attacking player both to his right and to his left. You cannot build an attack around him at that level. It has to be that he is the central option in a quality, dynamic front three.

    Is that what we will have next season?

  69. Bamford10

    Samir

    I don’t think so. Monaco are a better-managed club, he’s happy and comfortable there, and they are playing at a higher level than Arsenal at the moment.

    I think he’ll stay there until he leaves for Madrid, which is more or less what he and Monaco have said.

  70. London gunner

    “Is he capable of winning the league? I think yes, if certain things change. I’d rather hope those things change than moan about whats been and done. Have at it though.”

    This guys such a stupid fucking mug.

    10 years without a top trophy and he thinks Wenger can win the league. He’s done at the top move on you clown.

  71. Bamford10

    Champagne

    Oh, so a month ago when I said you believed Wenger was capable of winning the title, why did you claim that I had misrepresented your view? Why didn’t you just say, “yes, I do believe Wenger can win the title”? Answer: because you didn’t want to acknowledge to Le Grove at that time that that was in fact your view.

    You keep obfuscating, though, guy. You’re fooling no one.

  72. Champagne charlie

    Bamford

    Again, my views have always been clear and stated. You spend half your time on here talking shit and being the big i am, but yes…here I am hiding my opinion on a blog apparently you fucking dunce.

    What I’ve said is there in black and white, both now and previous. You just stated you watched 15 mins of highlights concerning Lacazette and are now ok with him as CF….please do everyone a favour and swan dive off the nearest bridge.

    THAT is the cretin who acts like an authority on here. Mr YouTube. Cannot make it up. YouTube and doughnuts, what a guy.

  73. Champagne charlie

    London
    Wenger is manager in case you hadn’t noticed, so I’ll move on when that’s no longer the case.

    How about you stop nibbling my ankles you irrelevant chode, I couldn’t care less what you have to say about me.

  74. Bamford10

    “doughnuts”? Where do you get this shit from? Is this some lame American stereotype you’re turning to?

    As for Lacazette, I called for us to sign him two summers ago — for £22m — you moronic fucking cunt.

    Since then, however, I have not been blown away by his overall game when I have watched him.

    My point about having watched fifteen minutes of his highlights is only that it makes me slightly more comfortable with his being our CF signing , if that turns out to be the case.

    However I qualified that point as well, but perhaps that was too subtle for you, you fucking knuckle-dragger.

    I think Kane said it best yesterday when he said: “What a fucking moron this CC bloke is.”

    And lastly, you did in fact try to hide from your view that Wenger is still capable of winning the title, and everyone here who was paying attention knows it.

    Why did you hide from your view? Because you knew people here would say things about you and this view of yours like London just did above:

    “This guy’s such a stupid fucking mug.”

    Do you ever get tired of losing, guy? No, because you aren’t even bright enough to realize you’ve lost.

    Jesus fucking Christ.

  75. keef petrovic

    Relax everyone, our big signing thIs summer, soon to be announced, is Peter Crouch! Free transfer too.

    Wenger quote about to go out to press:

    “He has great mental strength and will be a tremendous addition to our pointless tippy tappy around the edge of the box followed by lumping it into the big man, especially in the Europa League, which let’s face it is the only chance we have of ever getting in Champions League again while I am here.”

    You heard it here first.

  76. Alexanderhenry

    Leeds

    ‘They are happy not to win… the league and the Champion’s League anyways. They are happy to be the runt of the elite of the EPL.
    We are the richest small minded club in the world.’

    Absolutely right, and it won’t change post wenger.

    Arsenal will always fail as long as it is owned by Kroenke.
    He will keep hold of the club as long as it continues to make a profit. Usmanov could bid 3 billion and stan would still keep it.

    Only if arsenal start losing money will he consider selling up.

    Therefore, arsenal fans have a difficult decision to make:
    Keep paying up and arsenal will continue to drift into mediocrity or effectively abandon arsenal in the hope that kroenke will relinquish control.

  77. Bamford10

    Alexander

    Weren’t you just saying a couple of weeks ago that you thought things were very different now and that you saw Wenger and Kroenke spending this summer? I’m pretty sure I remember a number of posts of yours along these lines.

  78. keef petrovic

    Wenger again on Crouch transfer:

    “Of course I tried to sign the most obnoxious un-Arsenal player you could imagine last summer, Mr Vardy, who was quite good, but our tech analysis team tell me Peter Crouch is even more derided by Arsenal fans and fucking useless, and as 60-70 % of the fans and counting are my natural enemy this will be a wonderful signing. Let the ungrateful peasants eat pigswill”

  79. Champagne charlie

    Bamford

    Ok let me just break a few things down your you…

    1) your Anti-American rhetoric is tired. You’re a fat fuck ergo I pin you shovellingdoughnuts.

    2) I’ve never hid from a view I have about Arsenal or Wenger. Explain why I’d “hide” a view so “people wouldn’t comment about it”…then come out and clearly state it a month later. Gold star awaits for unraveling that warped logic you fucking honeydew.

    3) Youll have to excuse me while I refrain from caring what Kane and London Gunner of the blog Le Grove think about me. Rest assured I won’t be losing sleep over it, even with them being such titans in the world of football.

    4) Do I ever get tired of losing?….just imagine me standing staring at you while I burst into a fit of laughter in response to that. It’s a football blog you complete whopper, you think because you or others disagree with my opinion I’ve “lost”?? Hahahaha

    Back to your videos pal, your mum really should start curbing your access to the keyboard. Go play an actual game instead of trying to win on a football blog, practice Russian roulette so everyone’s a winner

  80. Bamford10

    Champagne

    I weigh 170 pounds. I run 3-4 miles every other day. What the fuck are you talking about? How is it that you think you know anything about me? You don’t.

    You get everything wrong, you still believe in Arsene Wenger — despite his countless failures and absurdities —and you are honestly the biggest douche-bag to show up here since I’ve been coming here, and that’s almost five years now.

    You are a massive fucking loser. Seriously.
    ____

    This will hopefully be my final word on the cunt known as “Champagne Charlie”.

  81. Champagne charlie

    Bamford
    Fantastic, you pointlessly run 3/4 miles alternate days. Thanks for sharing. So I know nothing about you, but you know I’m a massive loser?…..got it.

    You should honestly say things out loud to whoever else inhabits that basement before typing. The irony and double standard in your comments is staggering.

    Also, ive told you countless times to stop commenting my way, you can’t manage it. You’re arrogant as it comes, proven in your last comment about winning on a blog, so there’s zero chance you’ll be able to refrain from commenting at me.

  82. Bermy boy

    Wow ,the same old dumb shit talk about players we will never get, wishing Asswipe to leave and it doesn’t happen ,and part owners who can’t get control.Trump is a mindless mothafucker but even he makes more sense than the shit that goes on at AFC.Yes yes beautiful stadium and money management you can put that shit in the trophy case next to the FA cups.

  83. Bamford10

    Champagne

    If you know nothing about me, can you explain why you accused me of being “fat”? That’s a little weird, no?

    As for you being a loser, that’s obvious from pretty much everything you’ve ever written here, and that’s what I’m basing it on, i.e., your posts here.
    _______

    Now hopefully I’m done. 😉

  84. Black Hei

    I am going to wade into the Lacazette vs Giroud vs Auba.

    Giroud is a good player; a scorer of great goals but not a great goal scorer. His big target man style with soft technique means that he is easy for his teammates to understand. Which is why he is picked for a national team where training sessions are a premium luxury. He is also a team player and willing to heed his coaches instructions.

    I don’t know too much about Lacazette but he looks to me (on Youtube anyway) as very dribbly with good technique and tenacity. Kind of like Sanchez playing the CF role. And his consistent goal scoring should not be sniffed at, even if it is league 1.

    Auba looks like a cool, pacey and brainy finisher. Unfortunately he reminds me a bit too much about Theo. If Theo is slightly bigger with better technique, I think he will be Auba. Auba is a great option, but I am more in the Lacazette department.

  85. Leedsgunner

    This reputation that Wenger develops young players is a myth. The reality is that when he is depleted by injuries or desperately short of ideas he throws in a young player into deep end and tells him to swim. This is not youth development. This is just poor planning and man management dressed up as youth development.

    If the said subject does well Wenger is quick to take the credit… and played mercilessly until they become injured and injury prone.

  86. Wallace

    Leeds

    Any Arsenal fan with even a modicum of brain wattage could reel off a bunch of young players Wenger’s developed. Does you no favours trying to argue he hasn’t.

  87. Leedsgunner

    Wallace

    Let me qualify it then.

    In recent history Wenger has not developed young players like his reputation suggests.

    No doubt you’ll point to Cesc and Nasri and even RvP. However in the big picture how did that benefit us? As soon as they became good they wanted to go elsewhere to win trophies. What’s the utter point of sticking with youngsters to develop them if they don’t stay with the club to repay the club for its faith in them?

    Bellerin, Coquelin and Iwobi were all turned to initially because of injury crises at the club. They were not part of a phased in introduction to the first team.

    Wilshere, Walcott and Ramsey are inconsistent injury prone squad players at best. If Wenger is such a developer of youth where is their progress? We all know they’ve been under Wenger’s charge long enough! (Not to mention Gibbs!)

    Telling that Gnabry decided against staying with Wenger after his breakout. Why is that?! Szczesney and Chambers has thrived outside Arsenal.

    Wenger might have developed youth in the past but now? He is a busted flush.

  88. Chika

    Hey Bumford , you’re a fat Yank, don’t try to deny it.

    hahaha fucking arrogant cunt, parading yourself as some kinda le grove champ makes you a bigger arsehole.

    Move your fat ass and carry on with some more ‘Youtube & donuts’ LoL

  89. Wallace

    Leeds

    We got 18mths of RvP brilliance, after 6yrs of injury blight, and Cesc & Nasri both played their best football while at Arsenal. No doubt they looked for moves away because we couldn’t compete financially, whereas now it’s more a question of us not having improved as much as we should have.

  90. Up 4 grabs now

    Morning,

    Have to agree with Leeds, Wenger has an injury crisis and throws in a youngster every time.

    When did you last see him bring a youngster off the bench for 10-15 minutes here and there to ease him in?

    It’s always last resort, let’s throw them in to see if they sink or swim!

  91. Wallace

    More talk of Mbappe in the papers. Jeremy Wilson in the Telegraph writing that Wenger definitely thinks he’s got a shot at landing him.

  92. Wallace

    Holding’s been eased in this season. On form deserved to start against the Spuds but Wenger protected him and went with experience.

  93. Up 4 grabs now

    Have been banging the drum on lacazette for two years now.
    I go back to when we played Dortmund a few years back and auba didn’t pull up any trees for me.

    Yes his scoring records been good the last year or so but like other people have said the German league is pretty open.

    Can’t see mbop leaving Monaco unless CR7 really is moving on, and they want a marquee signing.
    With the confederation cup on until start of July I can’t see anything happening for a few weeks yet.

  94. Wenker-wanger

    More AKB sickness bollocks on here.
    The reaction to anti-wenger opinion on here by said AKBs is strange to contemplate.
    Their hero that is made of a shit and glass composition needs their constant support and blind loyalty. Worse still is their belief that Wenger can win the prem. To put that belief in perspective, it’s akin to believing that Elvis is alive and the world is flat.
    Facts are obviously cast aside as irrelevant. Chelsea finished 20 points above us,and Leicester last season 10 points above us.
    We are not even competing, let alone a possible outright winner.
    Their belief in this hollow,incompetent waste of space defies any logical I can muster.
    Perhaps there are parallel universes, in which shit is gold !

  95. Up 4 grabs now

    Wallace,

    Holding was thrown in first game of the season against the bindippers alongside chambers.
    That’s not easing him in. He made one or two more starts before being dropped for the returning koz and Mustafa signing.
    He only came back into the starting line up when players dropped like flies and we were desperate again.
    If he had made 10-20 subs appearances along the season that’s easing a player in.

  96. TR7

    If £130M price tag on Mbappe is true then honestly we shouldn’t waste our time on him even if the reports of us having a shot at landing him are to the mark. £130M on a 18 year kid who has had one great season is absolutely pathetic.

  97. Chika

    It’s really funny watching Arsenal fans mock other Arsenal fans.

    errm we’re in this together LoL

    Even fuckers who claimed they’d take a break if Wenger extends are back with their online grumblings.

  98. Wenker-wanger

    Chika,
    Seen from the outside, we are a polarised fanbase.
    Some of us feel the sting of a tyrant abusing our beloved arsenal more than others I guess. And some even refuse to believe where the disease emanates from.

  99. Chika

    “Some of us feel the sting of a tyrant abusing our beloved arsenal more than others I guess”

    Yeah explains why fans want the club they support to lose/capitulate just to spite the coach; forgetting previous heavy loses amounted to nothing!

  100. Skinnywill

    Reading the comments I am wondering whether it is possible to be excited for the new season and have some optimism that with some new signings we could do well without being considered an AKB.

    I would rather have had a total restructure of the management and board but that hasn’t happened and we are where we are.

    I intend to approach this season as I have any other, with a clean slate and believe that my team might well do something good this season.

    I love football and support Arsenal as a release from the stresses of modern life and would much rather approach it with a sense of optimism despite the fact it is more than likely once again I will be tearing my hair out again in November!

  101. Chika

    Even if we were playing a combined team of Madrid and Barca, I’d watch the game believing there’s a sniff of victory.

    I won’t allow one man take away my joy of being a fan.

  102. steve

    “Wenger is manager in case you hadn’t noticed, so I’ll move on when that’s no longer the case.”

    ___

    How about you move on now instead you nitwit. You think Wenger can still win the league if “things change” lolololol you really are dim.

  103. Wallace

    Up4grabs

    Hard to give a young CB 20mins at the end of a game as it’s not a position coaches like to mess with. Unless you’re 5/6-0 up…

  104. Wallace

    According to L’Equipe Wenger’s spoken to Mbappe and made his pitch. I’d say it’s unlikely, but not impossible.

    Pretty flabbergasted it seems we’re willing to cough up 100m+ for a player we tried to sign last summer for peanuts.

  105. Ishola70

    Mbappe’s concern at joining Real Madrid was lack of playing time.

    Well Zidane has told him that if he signs for them he will be given first choice status. Said Madrid would sell off one of their current attacking starters to accommodate him.

    So Real Madrid were favourites to sign him even before this most recent news. Now with this news Real Madrid are even more heavy favourites to sign him.

    Real Madrid very clear front runners to sign him, followed by PSG and Arsenal a very distant third in line.

  106. raptora

    Wallace,

    Prolly Wenger thinks we could sell the kid for 50m+ profit in couple of years. Those kind of transfers make sense. We have a top player with potential to go to Real M and Barca for several years while getting a profit in the end. One would think it’s a great business decision as well as strengthening the team. If you are convinced in the player’s capabilities and if it plays out the way you pictured it in your mind. Wenger’s said not once that he would break the bank for the right player. It could happen maybe like 25% it does. I got that percentage out of my ass but it feels a reasonable one.

  107. Dissenter

    I really don’t understand all these unreal interest in Mbappe. This is just another diversionary tactic from Wenger.
    It’s a bad deal for Arsenal; an 18 year old with one good season under his belt won’t solve any problem for us.
    It’s a bad deal for Mbappe; he’ll be played in 5 different positions by Wenger and will stagnate under Wenger.
    The kid needs to stay at Monaco until he’s 21 y/o then leave for Madrid.

  108. Ishola70

    Real Madrid have been on Mbappe’s case for a good few years.

    Mbappe was seen even in his very early teens as a player to be courted.

    Chelsea invited Mbappe to train with them when he was 11 years old.

    All the big clubs were aware of Mbappe when he was in nappies. Wenger as well.

  109. Dissenter

    “Pretty flabbergasted it seems we’re willing to cough up 100m+ for a player we tried to sign last summer for peanuts.”

    How we laughed at United when they splashed on Martial.

    No 18 year old is worth 100 million +

  110. raptora

    Roflmao Ishola, it sounds like you were in that phone call. So specific.
    Would he play ahead of cr7, Benzema, Bale or Asensio? Hell even 80m Morata couldn’t play enough.

  111. raptora

    At PSG he could never move Cavani. Playing on the wings is playing out of position already and there are Di Maria and Draxler and Moura. He would never say yes to being a backup of Cavani.

  112. Ishola70

    raptora:
    “Roflmao Ishola, it sounds like you were in that phone call. So specific.
    Would he play ahead of cr7, Benzema, Bale or Asensio? Hell even 80m Morata couldn’t play enough.”

    Lol who should we really be Roflmoa at. Me or your belief that Arsenal have a real chance of signing him?

    In answer to your question Bale is the one seen as the sacrificial lamb to accommodate Mbappe.

  113. Jim Lahey

    @Raptora –

    “Prolly Wenger thinks we could sell the kid for 50m+ profit in couple of years. Those kind of transfers make sense.”

    Given our past dealings I would expect it to go a little something like…. We buy M’bappe for £100m on a three year contract, two seasons from now he is in his last year of contract refusing to sign a new one, so we panic sell him for £45m to our nearest rival at the time… and the way things are going that could mean he will be playing with Crystal Palace in 2020!

  114. Ishola70

    raptora
    “At PSG he could never move Cavani. Playing on the wings is playing out of position already and there are Di Maria and Draxler and Moura. He would never say yes to being a backup of Cavani.”

    Raptora you seem to have no idea of how highly Real Madrid and PSG think of this player.

    He would be first team starter at PSG.

    PSG want to sign this player at a huge price just like Arsenal want to.

    The difference between PSG and Arsenal is they have more of a realistic chance than Arsenal of getting him but still both lagging far behind Real Madrid.

  115. Emiratesstroller

    Pedro

    I think that the start of any discussion on Arsenal’s transfer business is to be a little more cutthroat on departures than the club appear to have been in recent years.

    Two seasons ago Wenger extended the contracts of Arteta and Rosicky two
    players well into their 30s who had a track record of being injury prone.

    The same appears to be once again happening with both Mertesacker and
    Cazorla. When a player at 32+ is out with long term injuries in two seasons
    as is case with Cazorla it is time to call it a day.

    Then we have a very large number of players on large salaries who are not
    good enough to secure a starting place in first team with any regularity. This could be for a variety of reasons. If a player has been at the club a long
    time and is not good enough then it is time to offload him. Frankly that applies to Jenkinson, Gibbs, Wilshere, Walcott and Campbell. I don’t know how much these 5 players earn at Arsenal but it is going to be well over £300K pw or £15 million+ pa.

    So when you factor in the wages of Cazorla, Mertesacker and Debuchy as
    well we are spending probably £600K pw and £30 million+ pa on these players wages.

    Furthermore I am sure that the 5 players listed above are worth at least £40
    million in the transfer market.

    Moving onto the goalkeeper situation. We seem to have an excessive number of goalkeepers in first team squad.

    Cech is clearly first choice, but I suspect that this could be his last season
    where he might be guaranteed a first team place. Arsenal need to start looking beyond next season.

    Szczesny and Ospina are good enough as second string but neither is rated
    better or as good as Cech. One needs to go.

    Martinez and Macey are probably good enough for third string position, but
    not in my view at a higher level. Again one needs to go.

    All these players should be sold, released or loaned out this summer and put on notice that they are surplus to requirements and contracts will not be extended.

  116. TR7

    Rumor is Bale is going to be sacrificed for Mbappe. To be honest I don’t want us to sign the kid for the price being bandied around. We can sign 3 quality players instead for £130M which will strengthen our squad immensely.

    Suarez was twice the player Mbappe is when he nearly won Liverpool the league title and we could have signed him for £50M not so long ago. unbelievable how ridiculous the valuation of football players are these days.

  117. raptora

    Way I see it Mbappe:
    stay at Monaco – 70%
    go to Arsenal – 20%
    go to Real M – 7%
    go to PSG – 3%

    Which is my view and probably wrong but one can always dream.

  118. Wallace

    Mbappe seems like a smart kid. Don’t see him leaving Monaco but staying in France with PSG. Think it’s either straight into the lions den – Madrid – or a few years developing at a top English side. Bayern would also be a good move, but seems like they’re not interested at the prices being mentioned.