Arsenal finished in CL. Wenger blames fans and staff for woes

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Well, well, well… nothing quite says ‘football is a game for stupid people’ quite like reacting to the fam offering you a ticket to the cup final… then 14minutes later weighing out £2000 for a flight back to London on Wednesday. Has to go down as the most ridiculous purchase of 2017, but whatever. All the most important life moments have been tightly geared around big Arsenal moments. So fuck it, money well spent.

As for the Everton game yesterday, bit of a weird one, I have to say.

On the face of it, belting Everton at home has to be viewed as a success. It was a pretty easy game, but weirdly open and fun. The only thing that ruined it was Arsene Wenger.

Before I jump into the real story of the day, it’s worth making a few points about the game.

Michael Oliver had a nightmare. He sent off Koscielny really early, which in fairness was absolutely the right thing to do. Our best defender lunged into a challenge that was reckless and dangerous, drawing a straight red. I can’t for the life of me understand why he engaged in such a tackle in a match that was pretty much a dead rubber. At his age, you can’t help but think that’s one of the most regrettable things he’s done as a professional. He’ll miss the cup final, and in the process, he’ll have reduced our chances of success by 20%. Really f*cking dim. He’s a massive player for us, but juxtaposed against genuine Arsenal greats, he’s lacking. Consistently making bad decision in pivotal moments.

The ref then insisted on making sure he only punished us moving forward, letting Everton get away with murder for the rest of the day. Really bizarre.

Things then got worse, Gabriel, the least intelligent defender we’ve ever possessed made a similarly over enthusiastic lunge at a player, busting a muscle in the process catching his leg under himself. He looked in desperate pain, and I felt for him… but then felt for myself, because we’re heading into an FA Cup final with 2 senior defenders out, depending on Rob Holding (who gave away a penalty) and Mustafi to shore up our backline.

The rest of the game was fine. We took the lead early on, Ozil playing in a perfect ball to Welbeck on the six yard box, he fluffed his lines badly, but Bellerin was on hand to bury his embarrassment.

The second goal was a bit odd, Sanchez hit a shot at an Everton player, the ball deflected into the run of Welbeck. Everyone thought he was offside, he didn’t, then played rolled the ball to Sanchez who passed the ball into the near post for number 2.

Petr Cech made a number of cool saves to keep things respectable in the second half. We wanted to keep it fun, even though it was clear Boro were tanking to Liverpool. Rob Holding handled in the area. The super unimpressive Lukaku drilled his penalty past Cech, and it was kind of game on.

… well, until Aaron Ramsey, a player deep in a coma this season… finally woke to curl a Bergkamp-esque screamer home late on. Nice to see our players come alive at the death when it doesn’t mean anything.

The game ended, we dropped out of the CL for the first time in 20 years. The curtain finally drew on a manager who has been dodging failure for 8 years.

So what was interesting post game?

The excuses. I told you a few weeks ago that Wenger would throw the kitchen sink and his nan under the bus if it meant he could hold onto his job. It didn’t take long for him to do the rounds with the press, making sure no excuse was left unshared.

Here are a few I found interesting.

Lap of shame: Wenger hid in the tunnel. He didn’t fancy facing the fans after the game. He said he wanted the focus to be on his babies who ‘deserved’ the lap. Firstly, no one deserved anything this year. They’ve all been garbage. Secondly, he actually hid from the fans. People calling that classy need to stop being so pathetic. He hid from the fans because he knows they don’t love him anymore. He couldn’t face us. So all the talk of fan fury being  ‘minority’ groups was a big fat lie, he knows the relationship is broken. Does that not make his position untenable?

The fans:

‘It didn’t help me but I’m experienced enough to deal with it, but I think it was a big handicap for the team and the players.

‘They played in a very hostile environment.”

“Psychologically the atmosphere was absolutely horrendous. It has been difficult, yes, and certainly my personal situation has contributed to that but you can never question my professionalism or commitment.”

Firstly, apportioning any blame on the fans is such bad form. Secondly, not understanding his own role in the toxic atmosphere at the ground is quite staggering. Sport exists for the fans, if you’re not making them happy, that sits with no one else outside the person orchestrating the team on the pitch. Staggering disdain for people who have put up with his shit for 10 years. Also, a wet kipper to his own face, because that’s all on him.

As for the professionalism malarkey, I don’t even know where to start. Who cares mate? It’s about results. You didn’t deliver. Guilting people by aping ‘CLASS’… ‘RESPECT’… ‘I GAVE MY LIFE FOR THIS’… dodges the issue at hand, in elite sport, it’s only about results and he hasn’t delivered again.

‘For the book’:

‘Some other reasons we will talk about on another day’

Now we’re talking about things that supposedly happened in January (I can’t get the story, but there is one). Whatever it was, it happened in his kingdom. So it’s on him. Diego Costa kicked up a massive stink about China around that time, what happened to Chelsea? Nothing. They broke the PL win record.

The technical department:

“It is not his fault we didn’t reach the Champions League tonight, it is the technical department’s responsibility for that.

“A club works when everybody does their job and we live in a society where everybody has an opinion and what moves society forward is when we work and not talk too much.”

First time we’ve heard him land punches at his backroom team, and this was certainly a heavy blow. But again, I’ve been tearing those guys a new one for 8 years. Who hired them? Wenger. Who keeps them in a job? Wenger. Who has gone to war to ensure he’s surrounded by garbage people? Wenger.

He can’t pick holes in his technical team, because that means he’s picking holes in himself.

For a man so insistent on having ABSOLUTE POWER, it’s very odd how little responsibility he wants to take for his failings?

Same old:

“I think this group of players is good enough to come back. They have learned a lot. They have gone through a very difficult period this season and they’ve bounced back in a strong way. And I think that will help them absolutely next season,” 

“But first I think we have to keep 90 percent of these players together, and find one or two more players who strengthen the group. But we don’t need a lot, we don’t need many. But you need, maybe, top quality.”

He will never learn. Here’s the stickler for me, does he even care about winning? If he did, would he look at the current squad and say it’s one or two away? It’s embarrassing he thinks it’s about players. It’s not, it’s about him. We could sign 3 worldies, under Wenger, it’d mean nothing.

The manager is a survivalist first and foremost. If he was a winner, he’d have the best backroom team. He’d be experimenting with the latest ideas. He’d be at the forefront of the game, desperately trying to make a model work. He’s not though, is he? His model is this: How do I make what I already have work again… without a single person questioning my authority.

It’s not possible. We need new ideas. New staff. A stronger culture. Some dissent in the ranks. Wenger will never bring that to the club. That’s why he should leave.

Alex Ferguson:

“The most amazing thing about him is this: he has come through a forest of criticism for months now, and has never bowed. He has seen it right through, he has shown a determination, a stubbornness. I think when you look at that, it’s a quality, and I’m not sure they’ll ever get another manager like that.

“It’s quite easy to say ‘Get rid of him’, but who do you get? Who do you get in to keep that club the way they are for the next 20 years?

“I really feel sorry for him because I think he’s shown outstanding qualities, and I think he has handled the whole situation. I don’t know many that have done that.”

I mean, one of the all time greats talking there. But seriously, this is a man who hired David Moyes, then replaced him with the equally atrocious Van Gaal, then replaced him with his devil protege, Mourinho. Ferguson can’t fathom who could replace Wenger, because he hasn’t been able to replace himself. Celebrating stubborn vision, when it’s ended in failure is really poor in my eyes. Congratulating him on suffering criticism when he’s raking in £8m a year just reeks of a rich old man being out of touch with the real world.

All the ‘sacking managers doesn’t work’ talk kind of stinks, because Chelsea are the dominant Premier League side of the decade and they tear through managers.

Stan K:

Something is brewing guys, and the next 3 weeks are going to be pretty exciting. We’re seeing Usmanov leaking to the press and we know his people know that other buyers are coming for the club. But here is the reality, it’s very unlikely a man who doesn’t need the money, is going to sell the club. Especially before a big content player steals the Premier League rights from Sky and BT. That’ll inflate the value of AFC another 50%.

Issues with the stale owner aside, the  major problem affecting our success is Wenger. If you moved him to one side, brought in someone with a vision and a philosophy fit for the age, we’d be golden.

Shifting the focus away from Wenger doesn’t help the cause. It might make you feel better, but here’s the thing… Stan’s worst trait is being too loyal to Wenger. Any other owner would have had him out years ago. What’s great though is this mess might force Stan into being a better owner. Maybe it’ll impact the board meeting. Maybe it’ll force Stan into injecting money into the club. Maybe it’ll make him pay attention.

As for Arsene, what’s his deal? He knows the fans don’t like him. He knows he can’t compete with the better managers. He knows his backroom team are shite. Who the fuck would sign up for more of that?

I bet he’s not made up his mind, because only a psychopath could deal with this situation without being deeply hurt.

Let’s hope he realises this is a nonsense. Maybe he’ll walk away of his own accord?

We can but dream… but no one knows, so let’s see where this plays out from here.

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408 Responses to “Arsenal finished in CL. Wenger blames fans and staff for woes”

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  1. Joe

    TR7

    Of course we should. But wasted as long as wenger is manager. He’s a career killer.

    No one has progressed. Even iwobi has stalled

  2. TitsMcGee

    Got to laugh at some fans, praising the likes of Iheanacho but when we look to sign a player of that ilk they mock us for it.”

    It’s pretty simple actually.

    1. Wenger misses way more than he hits.(going back several years)
    2. Wenger doesn’t maximize talent anymore.(going back several years)
    3. A teenager is not who we need to turn this around.
    4.Wenger never signs more than a handful of players. That’ll be the summer done.

  3. TR7

    Ishola

    Post your description of the player, I watched his videos on YouTube. He is very very raw, needs to work a lot on his touch and control. Looks strong and athletic, finishing just about OK, let’s see how it goes with him.

  4. Marko

    United targeting Griezmann it seems. Chelsea targeting Bakayoko. Don’t worry we’re just getting started…not like you can line up signings before the season ends

  5. WestLondonGoon

    Antoine Griezmann just stated on French TV that he is 60% likely to join United in the close season.

  6. TitsMcGee

    So should Arsenal forego signing promising 19 year olds? Yes or no?”

    If Wenger’s “eye” for talent the last decade is any indication then I’d adamantly say “no”.

  7. Marko

    So should Arsenal forego signing promising 19 year olds? Yes or no?

    What was the excuse for us not trying to sign Ousmane Dembele last summer? He’s the kind of talent that we should be targeting at around 19/20. I don’t suppose that 19 million pounds as opposed to 6.8 million quoted for this lad had anything to do with it.

  8. Joe

    If Wenger’s “eye” for talent the last decade is any indication then I’d adamantly say “no”.

    This

  9. Champagne charlie

    Going to be a fun month ahead seeing the usual crowd lose their shit over other clubs signings. Last year United were the heroes we should’ve aspired to be with Ibra, Pogba, etc…

    And so it begins once again

  10. TitsMcGee

    United targeting Griezmann it seems. Chelsea targeting Bakayoko. Don’t worry we’re just getting started…not like you can line up signings before the season ends”

    Or appoint new managers 😉

    Greizman going to UTD shiiites all over the notion that UTD aren’t a top destination anymore.

  11. Joe

    Last year United were the heroes we should’ve aspired to be with Ibra, Pogba, etc…

    Probably win the double. And be in the cl next season and sign griezmann plus others.

    But you’re right. We should aspire to be like west brom

  12. TitsMcGee

    Going to be a fun month ahead seeing the usual crowd lose their shit over other clubs signings. Last year United were the heroes we should’ve aspired to be with Ibra, Pogba, etc…’

    Or maybe they “lose their shit” because we haven’t won an EPL title in 13 seasons and we watch the “martyr’ ignore every key position almost every summer?

    Food for thought.

  13. Leedsgunner

    I don’t know anything about this Onyekuru kid, but it doesn’t matter. Under Wenger players like him fall under three categories:

    1. Never amount to anything – Sanogo
    2. Start brightly but then fizzle out as they become overplayed and overcome by injuries – Iwobi
    3. Develop into a genuine talent but they decide to move elsewhere because they realise Wenger really is a poor coach – Gnabry
    4. Develop into permanent loanees — Campbell

    The last thing our club needs is to sign a new raft of young things who are brainwashed into worshipping Wenger.

    Wenger had his chance to spend plenty of money and he makes the same mistakes every year. Spending money is not the solution.

    Finding a Board, a manager and an owner who wants to win again is.

  14. Ishola70

    TR7:
    “Post your description of the player, I watched his videos on YouTube. He is very very raw, needs to work a lot on his touch and control. Looks strong and athletic, finishing just about OK, let’s see how it goes with him.”

    He is very raw as you say and tbh as said before don’t see an elite player there. Decent player that’s it. Absolutely no chance of him breaking into first team selection any time soon. He would be loaned out and is not a Gabriel Jesus lol.

  15. Marko

    Going to be a fun month ahead seeing the usual crowd lose their shit over other clubs signings. Last year United were the heroes we should’ve aspired to be with Ibra, Pogba, etc…

    No no we’re fine. Who needs Griezmann when we’re targeting 19 year olds for 6.8 million. Eye for talent and all that. Charlie any idea why we didn’t target Dembele last summer?

  16. Champagne charlie

    “Probably win the double. And be in the cl next season and sign griezmann plus others.”

    The double? Lol

    Oh, is the league cup and europa league what we should aspire to now? Thought they were lesser comps. Guess we know what’s deemed successful next season joe. Cheers for throwing that out there

    Although I have to say… not sure you’d have the same view if we’d won both.

  17. TitsMcGee

    I don’t know anything about this Onyekuru kid, but it doesn’t matter. Under Wenger players like him fall under three categories:

    1. Never amount to anything – Sanogo
    2. Start brightly but then fizzle out as they become overplayed and overcome by injuries – Iwobi
    3. Develop into a genuine talent but they decide to move elsewhere because they realise Wenger really is a poor coach – Gnabry
    4. Develop into permanent loanees — Campbell

    Pretty much. Strike-out ratio to hit ratio is very high. We sign this kid and at best it’s another Iwobi(potential but no development).

    I almost don’t want to see any talented kid come here and waste their ability getting Wengerized.

  18. Bamford10

    Just watched this Onyekuru kid’s videos. Not worth discussing. Pace and some dribbling but little else. Nothing impressive about his touch, technique or finishing. Has never played for Nigeria internationally. Not a story. Sorry.

    The story is … Arsene Wenger please fuck off so that Arsenal can actually begin to move forward as a club.

  19. Champagne charlie

    Marko
    “Charlie any idea why we didn’t target Dembele last summer?”

    Oh we didn’t?…

    On rejecting offers from Arsenal, Manchester United, and Liverpool:

    “Dortmund are the perfect club for young players, the past has shown that. I cannot wait to play my first game for Dortmund in front of the home fans. I had a lot of offers, but I made it clear right from the start that I was only interested in joining Dortmund. I knew right away that I only wanted Dortmund,” Dembele told Sport Bild.

  20. Bamford10

    Is Wenger right that the current squad is quite good and only needs “one or two” signings? Or is he wrong … yet again?

  21. Joe

    Oh, is the league cup and europa league what we should aspire to now

    Ummmm Europa is bigger than fa cup.

    And a league cup and Europa is bigger than 0 trophies that wenger will win

    And winning Europa and getting into CL is bigger than the top 4

    So anyway you slice. They had a more successful season than us. By miles.

    And we have no chance to win Europa under wenger. None. Zero

    And I’ll bet you if wenger is here next season, Spurs finish above us.

  22. Champagne charlie

    Joe

    Crystal balls must be a quite the seller over that way. Tell me more about what’s going to happen next year…

    You’ve been saying we’ll finish outside of top 4 for years likely. Your type sit and make cynical statements hoping at some stage they come tru and you can rise up and say “told you”.

    Spurs won’t finish above Arsenal next season, I’d take that bet.

  23. TitsMcGee

    Is Wenger right that the current squad is quite good and only needs “one or two” signings? Or is he wrong … yet again?”

    Wenger is referring to top 4 with that comment. Pretty obvious. He can’t think that a couple of players make up the gap to Chelsea. Even if he did mean winning the EPL it’s all just BS re-framing. i.e comparing out points total this season to the invicibles and trying to draw some comparison. We are miles off that.

    Essentially Wenger is at the stage where anything out of his mouth has to be taken with a huge salt-shaker.

  24. Danny

    Rob Holding (who gave away a penalty)
    Rob Holding handled in the area.
    ——————————————–
    Pedro
    It was Monreal…………….

  25. TitsMcGee

    Crystal balls must be a quite the seller over that way. Tell me more about what’s going to happen next year…”

    Arsenal aren’t going to win the league and probably won’t come within 10 points of doing so.

    Lots of history and common sense behind that “prediction” as well.

  26. Joe

    CC

    Did i not say we would be 10 points back at Xmas

    Did I not say we would finish out of top 4

    Come big man. I’ll bet you a £100 that if wenger is here Spurs finish higher than us

    And I’ll bet you another £100 we don’t win the Europa

  27. Joe

    Don’t need a crystal ball while wenger is here

    Only muppets like you and Pierre who can’t see the how useless wenger is

    Oh wait. He will become a great manager under a new owner. And arteta was great for Arsenal.

    Xhaka Perez and mustafi were great signings

    You are definitely the wise on

  28. Samesong

    Champs

    You could look at that statement in two ways. He said that once he got into the club can’t wait to play his first game??

    He’s a young player he would of said that about Arsenal to.

  29. Joe

    Don’t need a crystal ball while wenger is here

    Only muppets like you and Pierre who can’t see the how useless wenger is

    Oh wait. He will become a great manager under a new owner. And arteta was great for Arsenal.

    Xhaka Perez and mustafi were great signings

    You are definitely the wise one on this site.

  30. Champagne charlie

    Joe

    Oh you’re a hero, betting me 100 quid we’ll not win the europa? Stuck your neck out there haven’t you…

    I’ll take the Spurs bet.

  31. Joe

    Love how when you destroy one of CC arguements he just switches over to somehing else hoping everyone forgets his last stupid post

    Same as Pierre with his no one has done better than Arsenal 3 in 4 if we win the fa cup

    Well we won’t win

    And man have will have won 3 in 2 if they win the Europa

    Chelsea will have won 3 in 3 if they win the fa cup including 2 league.

    City have won 3 in 4 years.

    So Pierre is wrong as usual.

  32. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Moving them goalsposts again? Your snide remark was why we didn’t target Dembele, now it transpires we did you’ve changed tact to “we’re not attractive to players”. Standard marko

    We’re plenty attractive, doesn’t account for a player wanting a certain club. If I had the pick of Barcelona or Arsenal I’d choose Arsenal. Oddly enough it doesn’t make Barcelona unattractive.

  33. Marko

    Spurs won’t finish above Arsenal next season, I’d take that bet.

    Are you taking the bet with Wenger still being in charge or not? Considering they’re likely to keep their manager as well as Alli, Kane and Son unless we were to change our management then I doubt it. They keep their best players we lose ours yeah not a good bet

  34. Marko

    Moving them goalsposts again? Your snide remark was why we didn’t target Dembele, now it transpires we did you’ve changed tact to “we’re not attractive to players”. Standard marko

    You can’t be that dense. We were literally arguing early on about whether or not we are or were attractive to players. Hardly moving the goalposts. I also doubt that we actually went for Dembele likely we were scared off. Doubt there’s any proper links to him

  35. rollen

    Spurs won’t finish above Arsenal next season, I’d take that bet.

    lol

    If Wenger is here they 100% will

  36. London gunner

    It’s amazing the more wenger fails and is revealed as a past it manager the more Champagne Charlie desperately defends him.

    Let’s be honest Arsenal could do and should be doing much better.

    There are over managers out there, there is life after Wenger!

    We can harp on about how attractive we are to good players but that won’t matter because the players we sign will be mismanagered, played out of position and will regress because Wenger has no fucking clue.

  37. Bamford10

    Charlie’s sense of self-worth is clearly hitched to Arsenal Football Club. He takes the claim that Arsenal isn’t that attractive of a destination at the moment — it isn’t — as a personal insult.

    I get why he takes criticism of Wenger so personally — he only stopped believing in Wenger a few months ago (and did he really even stop?) — but people who can’t separate their own self-worth from the status of Arsenal Football Club are incapable of seeing the club objectively.

    Poor Charlie.

  38. London gunner

    It’s amazing the more wenger fails and is revealed as a past it manager the more Champagne Charlie desperately defends him.

    Let’s be honest Arsenal could do and should be doing much better. Then this dinosaur.

    There are over managers out there, there is life after Wenger!

    And We can harp on about how attractive we are to good players but that won’t matter because the players we sign will be mismanagered, played out of position and will regress because Wenger has no fucking clue.

  39. London gunner

    Bamford

    Charlie is a fake ex akb.

    He point on a see through act for s couple months pretending he was pro Wenger leaving or anti Wenger staying, but he exposed himself the other day with those comments about Wenger still being able to win the league if we had a new owner.

    I actually have come to like Wallace and some akbs, but I can’t stand the ones in the closest or the ones like Alexandeer Henry who to mind numbingly dumb to understand football.

  40. Rainman

    “Bet is on. £100. If wenger is in charge next season, Spurs will finish above us”

    Joe and cc
    I do love a good bet but you should probably clarify the terms, Wenger could be in charge next season but leave before the season is over, he could theoretically leave after a single game. Does the bet still count then or is it if wenger manages arsenal for the entire season? These nuances might turn into a big fight later on and God knows we have too much of that already on Le grove

    And may the best man win!

  41. Bamford10

    Another thing: has anyone noticed that Charlie studiously avoids the issue of Arsene Wenger when considering questions connected to Arsenal? For example, the question of whether Arsenal would be an attractive proposition for top players next season: Charlie says ‘yes,’ but he fails to say whether this is with Wenger as manager or with a new manager. Apparently to Charlie it doesn’t matter. Whereas for every other poster here, the problem of Arsene Wenger is front and center. For everyone else here, the question of whether Arsenal are an attractive proposition going forward depends on whether Wenger is still the manager. Not for Charlie.

    One might ask Charlie: are Arsenal an (equally) attractive proposition for top players next season if Wenger is the manager? Like every other essential question, though, I imagine Charlie would prefer to avoid answering this.

  42. Champagne charlie

    London
    ” but he exposed himself the other day with those comments about Wenger still being able to win the league if we had a new owner.”

    Pity I didn’t say that. Looks like you took Bamfords ramblings he attributed to me and ran with them.

    Marko
    Jesus you’re simple. You had a pop saying we didn’t even target dembele, transpires we did, then you said ‘guess we’re not very attractive’ (another separate dig at me saying we are earlier). That is the very definition of moving goalposts. Hilarious you then call me dense

    Bamford
    Ahh making more shit up.. your self righteous ignoring of me lasted a long old time there Bamford. Couldn’t resist more nonsense when you saw your cronies pipe up. Embarrassing as ever

  43. Marko

    has anyone noticed that Charlie studiously avoids the issue of Arsene Wenger when considering questions connected to Arsenal?

    I have. He doesn’t want to appear pro Wenger on here but I imagine like Alexander he’s elsewhere giving it socks

  44. SUGA3

    Charlie,

    You did say that stating that Wenger cold not possibly do better under a new owner was pure conjecture. I mean, come on. Guy is an utter fossil.

    The only thing to kind of support the notion that he might do better if he was set different targets is the annual scramble for the 4th. Clearly, this shows that he is capable of putting a rocket up the team’s collective arse. The only thing is how baffling it is that he is incapable of making the team crank it up a notch and aim higher. The league was ours for the taking last season, yet we managed to shit ourselves and ended up miles behind Leicester.

    Leicester, for fuck’s sake.

    As far as I am concerned, losing to Watford and Crystal Palace should have earned him the sack there and then.

  45. Marko

    Charlie you didn’t prove that we moved for Dembele and whether or not we are an attractive proposition for top talent is subjective but history would suggest that you’re wrong there too.

    Any idea why we don’t target Griezmann? Combination of not being able to afford him and not being able to attract him I suppose

  46. Joe

    ..it’s also unprecedented. Season ticket sales are the club’s bread and butter.

    Nothing shocking that season ticket prices are lower.

    Europa league matches are not going to cost the same as CL. And no one is going to pay the same for Europa as they have for CL

    Think Alexander before you type.

  47. Follow the money

    Can’t wait to witness the public humiliation of Wenger the snowflake. “It case zee fans fault vee lose! Zose who brings zee banners must be arrested! Zey are hurting zee mentality!”

  48. alexanderhenry

    The way things are going, arsenal fc look like they’re going off the edge of a cliff next season.

    Massive fan unrest, a manager who’s lost the fans and players, un renewed season tickets, no CL football, a resurgent spurs and liverpool as well as the big three, an inevitable downturn in merchandise sales and other commercial revenues, probable unfilled stadium, relentless criticism and speculation from the press, nervous sponsors, Usmanov’s bid, the almost certain loss of sanchez at least.. the list goes on.

    Knocking 150 quid of the season ticket price in a lame attempt to bring fans back on board just ain’t going to cut it.

    All in all we’ve become a classic Kroenke club.

    In six short years stan kreonke has taken a great club with enormous potential and reduced it to a pathetically unsuccessful, mismanaged laughing stock.

    However,

    ‘Soccer’ isn’t like american sports. It’s brutal. When a club fails it can plummet like a stone. There are no safeguards and no draft picks or wage caps to fall back on.

    Kroenke maybe in for some nasty surprises.

  49. alexanderhenry

    N5

    He is the main issue.

    Incidentally, he’s about to offer wenger a new two year deal which is fairly important don’t you think?

  50. Joe

    Knocking 150 quid of the season ticket price in a lame attempt to bring fans back on board just ain’t going to cut it.

    Or it’s because we are in the Europa and not CL you moron

  51. N5

    Alex. He is one of the main problems I agree. But my god can’t you post a non-Kronke related post just once in a while?

  52. Joe

    Idiot fans like you are the main issue.

    Singing one arsene wenger all those years.

    What did you expect Kronke to do. Fire wenger when Muppets like You were cheering for wenger?

    Wenger is the main issue at Arsenal. Not the owner who his shite manager 100m to spend and make us worse

    Alex. Would conte or poch or Pep done better with Arsenal with Kronke in charge and. 100m plus to spend last summer.

    Plus the last decade of spending
    Millions and millions?

    Would conte etc won us the league last season when Leicester won it? Even with Kronke as manager.

    Fucking rights they would have

  53. Joe

    Alex

    No one is buying your bollcoks. So please stop and just stick to untold.

    It’s where you belong

    You keep spewing your bollocks a lot Kronke and not one person On here agrees with you

    So just go on untold And stay there.

  54. Joe

    Alex

    Answer the simple question

    Would conte etc won the league last season with Arsenal and all the resources wenger has available to him

    Would they have made Arsenal competitive this season and possibly even won?

    Both with Kronke in charge

  55. Relieable Sauce

    Not a fan of AFTV, or Keown – the pundit, but Claude at least asks some genuine fan questions of him…though. Anyone speak gobblydegook ?

    Claude asks him a question at 3.05 and the response is incomprehensible to me.

  56. Relieable Sauce

    I wouldn’t want Keown involved with the club with him being such a fantasist.
    Robson, Bergkamp, Adams. YES!
    Wright, Keown, Pires. No fucking way!

  57. tonyd

    The question of ‘Can we attract decent WC players for next season’ depends on many things.

    If we tank in against Chelsea (and we will) with the game being watched on the highest world stage, then WC players will not fancy playing with the likes of Gibbs, Ramsey, Coq, Xhaka and Welbeck.

    The real talent pool at our club is very small with us really only having two WC players.

    The problem is one is a temperamental prima donna but with undeniable skill, winning mentality and ability; the other simply goes missing in the important games.

    Ozil is not really suited to the ‘Crab Football’ style Wenger plays.

    He needs intelligent, fast players to make the runs off the ball while other pacy players pull defenders out of position to make the space for his often visionary gifted passing.

    I always remember an interview way back in the Invincibles’ days when a defender of some reputation and standing said:

    “It’s impossible to defend against Arsenal because they keep interchanging and coming in all directions. We are never sure who we are supposed to be marking when you have Henry, Pires, Lundberg Bergkamp and Overmars popping up at speed all over the box, we just can’t keep track of them over 5 minutes let alone 90 minutes” (or words to that effect)

    World Class players want to play with team mates with similar gifts, vision and footballing brain as with the old Invincibles and say Chelsea or elite Euro clubs.

    A WC attacking midfielder/forward would not fancy it with Giruod, Welbeck, Ozil, Iwobi, Ramsey and Xhaka.

    I omitted Sanches because he will be gone.

    They would also not want to play our ‘Crab Football” still poorly trying to replicate Barca 2004 to 2012; it’s just too outdated. The gulf in class is just too low for any self respecting WC forward or attacking midfielder to want to join us.

    We might be a bit luckier with a central defender and or defensive midfielder. Mustafi has potential yet to reach, Holding look a very decent prospect and Kos, when rational, is more than decent. He won’t be World Class, though.

    We have a non WC new left back and we are fully covered on the right.

    Off the pitch there is all the uncertainty from manager to the owner. The fans are toxic and unhappy.

    A World Class player is going to want a solid foundation at a club with a detailed plan and mission to win every competition that are involved in. They are going to want to know what other WC players are being signed and where he fits in the long term model to win trophies. Then the minor point of who is being sold.

    He’s WC so he’s not going to commit to a club who doesn’t fit his career aspirations and ability. He’ll know he can get the money he wants from an elite club, so it not something he’ll put first.

    Then there is the Wenger Saga. His non existent tactics or in-depth formation and tactical planning for each game; his consistency in playing players out of their favoured positions, questionable coaching methods/ability and belief that 4th is a trophy for 12 years together with his abysmal record in the transfer market over same amount of years.

    What’s a WC player going to think of that?

    Anyway, it’s all academic because Wenger says he only needs two players. We just don’t know if this includes the Sead Kolasinac signing?

    Let’s be hopelessly positive here and say that Wenger is going to buy two more players.

    WC players are not going to buy into the Wenger vision of ‘Wenger Ball’ because its transparency has showed he is incompetent in every department of a manager’s job description.

    Any ‘Commitment’ speeches of how much he loves the club and he is the hardest worker and supporter of his players is not going to cut it unless the player is of the same ilk as the current squad wanting 100K plus per week.

    World Class players coming to The Arsenal? Not a chance while Wenger is at the club.

    In the rebuilding period with a new manger and DoF and top level back room team……..then a strong maybe.

  58. tonyd

    Kroenke’s press statement of his intent not to sell his shares is a bit like Wenger saying RVP is going nowhere.

    Seems to me it’s more like Kroenke is inviting more bids.

    Negotiating is all about reading between the lines not what the words say.

    ‘Shares are not, and never have been, for sale’

    ‘Never have been’ is redundant because no one has tried to buy them before.

    ‘Are not ‘ means no to that offer but they could be for sale in the future, such as tomorrow.

  59. tonyd

    I used to respect Keown, but his continued support of Wenger and him telling Wenger to look back to his old videos takes the biscuit.

    I’m sure Untold are is their element with this article.

    “Ironically, for a manager once lauded as a visionary, Keown suggested Wenger might find the key to future success hidden in past glories.

    He said: “Why not look back to look forward? He has a back catalogue of videos and stuff to feed upon because his achievements have been magnificent.

    “How you mark at set pieces – it’s all there in the videos, in his own work. The trilogy. It’s all there. So look back and learn and then build to go forwards.””

    At least Keown is only suggesting Wenger stay on to help with the transition/succession. However, it’s clear that Keown is still all warm and fuzzy about Wenger.

    Wenger would have to go back to Invincibles videos to learn, but there’s a small thing about the current players class and the Invincibles class gap. Like The Grand Canon size class gap.

    Might be enough for Keown to become the AKB president, though. Few more I-love-Wenger articles should do the trick.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/05/22/martin-keown-mesut-ozil-alexis-sanchez-overindulged-arsene-wenger/

  60. Black Hei

    TonyD

    All your problems can be solved if Wenger leaves right?

    There is a chance of that happening. Just organize a protest at the FA Cup final by not showing up.

    Show that football don’t matter anymore. Only Wenger out matters.

  61. Black Hei

    Still the number of employable managers out there are quite rich this time round.

    1. Tuchel – He hates working under a DOF, wants to quit Dortmund. If he comes, it means same working conditions as Wenger. But since Le Grove hates anyone remotely like Wenger, I am not sure if he is the right guy.

    2. Enrique – Quite the opposite of Wenger. Young, authoritarian and is at least a league winner at Barca. Though he did tank at Roma. I think Le Grove will take to him.

    3. Leonardo Jardim – Just pay him alot more $$ than Monaco. Can be done due to FFP and all. I think this guy more than any other is the Le Grove pick. Though you wonder Stan is willing to pay that kind of $$ and also, Arsenal needs to buy out his contract.

    4. Emery – If PSG can find a way to let him go, they will do so. Anyone is better than Wenger.

    5. Simeone – Another Le Grove favorite. He might go after finally stagnating at Athletico.

  62. tonyd

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h7jzf9KNO0

    I’d take this guy over Ramsey & Walcott.

    6.9 million is a no brainer, he’ll be worth many times that in 3 or so years.

    This guy at 19 is what Welbeck and Iwobe aspire to. They threaten to get there but never do with any consistency.

    Rough diamond but a very bright one.

  63. Black Hei

    Still even if Wenger does go, we still need players.

    I think Sanchez will just kite off to Bayern, no matter which coach comes in. Walcott and Giroud will probably go as well. Ox does not have a new contract on offer despite him being a Wenger favourite so who knows.

    Ozil is a little different. He does not have anywhere to go where he can get the same pay scale. Perhaps PSG might give it a go since they like to collect shiny players.

  64. tonyd

    Black Hei

    Don’t disagree with that.

    I’m also saying we’d be stupid to let the Belgium kid go. He’s got winner written all over him. Can’t lose for that price either.

  65. Black Hei

    tonyD

    Thanks for the highlight reel.

    But no, he ain’t better than Iwobi or Welbeck (though strange you put them together)

    We should be setting our sights on Morata. Someone of decent quality and realistically attainable by guaranteeing playing time and more cash.

  66. tonyd

    Black Hei

    I’m saying it’s a good investment at that price.

    He’s 19 and plays with fire and skill. Coached right, (slight problem there) Scrap coaching with Wenger, he’ll just figure it out himself.

    He’s got very raw Kanu skills but much more physicality about him like Wrighty had.

    Financially we can’t lose; it’s a no brainer.

    Football side, he’s a live cracker with skills that when developed will terrorize defenses for years to come.

    You can still have Morata or anyone else.

    Just don’t want to hear that when this guy is tearing up up in an elite club Wenger will say that he had a look at him when he was young.

  67. tonyd

    Did we watch the same clip?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h7jzf9KNO0

    This kid has scored 20 goals this season. What were Welbeck and Iwobe’s goal stats?

    The reason for mentioning them together is that Henry Onyekuru could easily play in their positions. Even though in a lower league to the EPL, Henry’s 20 goals for a raw 19 year old kid is only the beginning for this kid.

    There’s something about him.

  68. champagne charlie

    “You did say that stating that Wenger cold not possibly do better under a new owner was pure conjecture. I mean, come on. Guy is an utter fossil.The only thing to kind of support the notion that he might do better if he was set different targets is the annual scramble for the 4th.”

    Exactly. I said to state Wenger would not change/improve under new ownership with a different level of expectation/accountability is pure conjecture. I also said I couldn’t say whether he would or would not, but if the same logic applied to a new manager getting a different performance out of the same players then you can’t dismiss a new owner getting a different performance out of the same manager.

    But as per, that’s been redrawn as me saying Wenger can win trophies under a new owner. It’s laughable, but then again its the same pathetic bunch that band together on here and and bitch at others who disagree with them.

  69. Oh Theo Theo!

    Tony here’s the issue… From bbc website…

    Arsenal have opened talks with Belgian club KAS Eupen over signing 19-year-old Nigerian Henry Onyekuru. Everton, Southampton and West Brom are also interested in the striker. (Sky Sports)

    vs

    Blues boss Antonio Conte has made signing Everton and Belgium striker Romelu Lukaku, 24, a priority in the summer, before a move for Spain and Real Madrid player Alvaro Morata, 24. (Evening Standard)

    Here’s the issue – total and utter lack of ambition is signings and on the field. We don’t need to be in for Everton standard players…. We have the money to be in for Chelsea standard players… Just indicates how utterly broken the entire club is top to bottom…

  70. Pierre

    Charlie.. Don’t know why you bother

    I tried to have a reasonable debate with Le grovellers once but gave up…

    I just take the piss out of em now…

  71. tonyd

    OTT
    I hear you, but as I said earlier Morata & Lukaku won’t want to come to us. The next season is immaterial solely because Wenger will still be here; at least for the 1st half.

    Don’t get your hopes up we’ll not be getting anyway near what is the right level player for the club. Even if Wenger get’s one top tier player, Sanches will be gone, so the new guy will be expected to do it on his own.

    Something Sanches couldn’t do to even get us top 4. No one player can do that. Can’t fault Sanches for trying like he did.

    With Wenger gone……………………

  72. Alexanderhenry

    Tonyd

    I really hope you’re right.

    I doubt it though.

    Having said that, I don’t think kroenke is prepared for the amount of shit coming his way.
    He may not care too much at the moment, but he will do.

    Things haven’t gone badly enough yet but they will. Then there’s a chance he might sell.

  73. Ishola70

    Everybody goes on about Lukaku because he has the EPL goals to his record which is fair enough but when I have seen Batshuayi in comparison when these two turn out for the Belgian national side he looks the better all round footballer and also has a good eye for goal himself. This was noted by plenty at the last major tournament Belgium participated in.

    Batshuayi has had very limited chance at Chelsea this season with Costa blocking his way. Just remember that those that go apeshit over Lukaku that he would be second choice to Costa as well if he was at Chelsea himself in Batshuayi’s position.

    Batshuayi did well at Marseille, Chelsea didn’t stump up that big fee for him at the start of this season for no reason, The guy has potential to be a very good striker if given consistent first team opportunities.

    Some Chelsea fans realise this though and are saying that there should be no idea of selling Batshuayi next season. Some even go as far as saying that Batshuayi should be given a chance to be Costa’s direct replacement if Costa goes to China. Most realise that Batshuayi is not a player that should be let go of.

    If Conte did decide though to let Batshuayi go after one season Arsenal should be very interested. Not that Wenger is going to sign any notable striker this summer but with a manager with actual ambition and not wedded to his existing squad Batshuayi should be looked at very seriously.

  74. Joe

    Pierre

    Didn’t want to talk about how wrong you were about no other team doing wht Arsenal has done in the last 4? Possible 3 in the last 4

    I showed you just how wrong you were with city, united and Chelsea doing the same or more

    Oooops. Maybe that’s why you no one can have a convo with you

    Because you’re full of shit and always wrong.

    As you were though.

  75. Joe

    take the piss Pierre

    Wow. You have a long way to go before you even come close to taking the piss

    Quite evident in how good you are in piss taking that you had to post a comment twice to get some sort of reaction. And you still got none.

    Bravo

    Tell us again how chelsea was just on a good run and they would get found out.

  76. Joe

    Ishola

    Why would Chelsea sell to us anyway?

    And you’re right. Wenger wouldn’t go after him anyway. Plus we just signed the Belgium leagues leading scorer….

  77. Ishola70

    Joe:
    “Plus we just signed the Belgium leagues leading scorer….”

    lol this guy padded up his goalscoring record in dolly matches in the last part of the season. You just look at the results in this part of the season this guy was involved in a you see lots of 3-3. 4-3 blah blah. He did alright though to score 12 during the proper initial season.

    But he is not an elite talent at all. Dortmund were not in for him at all. That is bullshit. I don’t know why fake news comes out like this. Probably Arsenal fans wanting to big up the signing? Club itself leaking false info. Who knows.

    No real big hitters are interested in this guy.

    Good luck to him and hope he has a good career but he is not going to be a real top level player.

  78. reality check

    Having said that, I don’t think kroenke is prepared for the amount of shit coming his way.
    He may not care too much at the moment, but he will do.
    \
    The weirdo part of alex’s criticisms about kroenke is that he expects Kroneke to discipline wenger like a child. Is Wenger a child at 67? At what age does one take responsibility for their actions?

    You criticise kroenke for not taking responsibility over Wenger.

    Yet you don’t criticise Wenger for not taking responsibility over himself?

    Wenger has said we can win the championship, we only need 1 or 2… meaning 1 could also be all we need…. 1??

    So if kroenke doesn’t tell the man he employed to manage the team to buy more than 1… its kroenkes fault for giving Wenger the freedom to choose to only buy 1 (or 2) players?..

    This is an immature mindset you are applying to kroenkes position. Wenger is a 67 y/o multi millionaire, to think its fair to expect another 69 y/o Billionaire to babysit Wenger is ridiculous.

  79. tonyd

    Ishola70
    I think taking a punt on this guy makes financial sense if not football. The kid is rough, very rough and his decision making is poor. Having said all that, he did score plenty of goals and can win penalties etc.

    At 19 he can do this without really knowing what his potential is.

    He’s a bit all bluster at times with the ball, and his feet work faster than his brain. A decent forward coach will get enough out of him to sell on for a good profit.

    Above all else he’s explosive with a real fire when he plays. I think in a couple of seasons he’ll terrorise defenses wherever he plays. He might not become WC, but he’ll be much more than decent.

    His maintenance costs with us would be low, especially when he goes out on loan.

    No way we can have him as our ‘New Forward’ or replacement for Sanches. He’s no where near ready for that. Mind you, as a last ditch attempt to win a game? His speedy tricks would bring more chaos to our attacking play, especially against tired defenders. He’d be a good bet for a late penalty.

    We did complain that Wenger never finds great potential at youth level.

    However, Wenger never buys this early so I think other forces are dictating the transfer market business.

    So buy this 19 year old kid at what? £6.9 million? Then sell him in 3 to 4 years for £35+ million. That will probably be low money as the player market prices keep appreciating.

    Players are assets of a football club. They are also commodities.

    Buying and selling players should be a core business revenue stream to help with the manager’s budget for investing in new talent.

    This, of course, is something that Mr. economic’s degree Wenger has not learnt about yet; as evidence of the last 13 years has shown his youth player development (Gibbs?) is non existent with no gems in 20 years other than maybe Ashley Cole, and buying players with more of a view of using them for profit after making sure they don’t fit with the 1st team just never happened.

    Things have appeared to have scuppered this form of business, such as trying to sell players Wenger bought with existing disabilities. Broken back was a bit of a stickler on Kallstrom’s resale.

    Then Wenger has just not quite got the hang of contract periods. The concept of keeping players on 2+ years minimum contracts seems to have alluded Wenger’s business and team model thinking.

    He still can’t work out why he has to continually sell players at well beyond their market values.

    It’s just a mystery to him.