Career noose around Wenger’s neck, only fans can kick out the chair

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Like it or not, I am here to sooth your day, because I see the potential for change, even if you don’t.

Call me naive, call me a believer, call me what you want. But football is business, Stan is a businessman. If you think what’s going on right now makes good business sense, well, you need to pay more attention. Even the blandest, most uninterested, boring of businessmen, can spot a dead man walking.

Now, what I’m not promising here is guaranteed change. I don’t know what Stan is thinking, nor does anyone at the club. What I am saying is change is still within the realm of possibility because this season is far from over, this season is going to get worse, and the future of club under Wenger is a very smelly proposition that could cause long-term damage.

Our next batch of fixtures is being played under the pressure of a divided fan base, a broken team, and a manager who doesn’t know how to enact a plan or enforce his will.

The spiral of death is coming…

Jose Mourinho plays us between Europa League games. He might not want to destroy us if it’ll cost him a trophy (player fatigue), but it’s clear he hates Arsene Wenger and everything he stands for, and he has CL to play for. My guess is that in a season of bland, Jose might come to The Emirates to kill Wenger, or at least make things very tough for him. Think about how he geared up to derail Liverpool in his first season back at Chelsea.

We then play Southampton 3 days later, away from home. That fixture consistently causes problems for us. Claude Puel is a good manager, he’ll have his players motivated, and we’ll not have an answer for their style because we’ll be mentally drained, and our players will probably be tasting rum, coke and Vegas cigarettes, sensing holidays are coming soon. We then cap off a nasty run of games with Stoke away 3 days after. Sure, they’re not a great side, but they hate Arsenal and their scummy fans would love nothing better than to put 3 past a broken Wenger team with a soft fat beer belly.

Then comes our moment. Stan Kroenke might be in London as we approach contract D-Day with Wenger. He might want to get a feel for the stadium and the fans. Sure, Sunderland are a f*cking pony team and the game will mean nothing, but it could be important. This game could potentially be the most toxic of Wenger’s tenure. Here’s my suggestion, if you want to actively protest, this is your chance to make a last stand against Wenger, possibly off the back of 3 defeats with us sitting in 8th. If protest isn’t your thing, here’s what you do: nothing.

Don’t go.

Don’t sell your ticket to a friend (LOL)

Don’t put it on the exchange for a tourist fan to have a selfie stick ‘experience’

Do nothing, because there isn’t a harsher scene for Wenger than a half-empty stadium, with the remainers being mad protesters who shout FAM and BLUD into connected GoPro sticks.

Just keep your seat empty. That £40 you’ll lose goes into the ‘a better Arsenal’ fund. That £40 might buy you a new manager. That £40 might buy you two years of your life where you’ll get to watch a brand new project. That’s money worth spending. Don’t go. It’s a waste of a day. You might not like protesting, but you might like having a day of fun versus watching pampered babies mail it in.

Ivan Gazidis said 2 years ago that the manager was accountable to the fans. Well, the relationship is now broken. The fans want him gone. It’s over forever, there is no redemption.

He also said a few weeks ago that the current nonsense going on is a ‘catalyst for change.’ That is still the case, and the worse it gets, the more likely it is the change is drastic.

Ivan G does not say things that are wasteful. He is a smart lawyer, every word is meaningful and strategic. Don’t pay attention to people who don’t work in business raging on that Ivan isn’t lambasting the manager in public. As a CEO, your job is to ensure a steady ship, not lower yourself to wasteful unprofessional comments that divide. Those sort of comments remind me of journo’s like the Guardian’s Owen Jones, a man who campaigned for Labour’s current failure of a leader, calling on Theresa May to denounce Donald Trump as we head into Brexit talks.

Just because you’d like to see something happen, doesn’t mean it’s right. You need to sit above the speculation, and you need to play a smart game if you want to win.

We need to give the club and the board ammo to act. The shite football isn’t enough on its own. The fans need to continue to make their voices heard. Alternatively, they need to make their absence felt.

You can protest in two ways, be a voice, or be vacant.

There is nothing productive in Wenger staying. Smothering a bad egg with sriracha sauce might make the consumption experience taste better, but it’s still going to give you diarrhoea. Our manager is a great man, he’s not a bad person, but he is a bad coach. He’s extremely out of his depth. That’s not going to change.

Expecting him to attract top players is a dream. Thinking it’s a good idea to send a squad into a season where they’re never more than 2 bad games away from a protest is absurd. Dreaming that this is a blip is just that, a dream.

If the club are to be believed, there is no contract on the table. If that’s the case, then the fight isn’t over. You just have to decide what sort of two years you want. If you want a change and a new start, the most productive thing you can do is protest like a mad person at the Sunderland game, alternatively, take the hit and leave your seat empty.

We have one more chance at this. The stars might be aligning. Wenger might not make it out of this season alive.

I’m still dreaming of this headline…

‘The King is dead, long live the King’

Let’s make it happen. Share this idea with your WhatsApp groups, tell your offline friends, let’s make something happen!

 

451 Responses to “Career noose around Wenger’s neck, only fans can kick out the chair”

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  1. Carts

    CC

    Ox has a higher ceiling but I’m convinced he’ll never achieve it under Wenger, or even at Arsenal. What you see it what you get with Welbeck – confident nothing will dramatically improve for him.

    With regards to Spurs – The eulogising has to get reigned in, agreed.

    In 20 attempts they’ve finally made it. They’ve won 1 trophy in the last god knows how many years.

    I think what’s getting blurred is their evident improvement vs whether they’ve overtaken us. They haven’t overtaken us in the grand scheme of things, they’ve just bettered us in the season 2016/17

  2. Jeff

    I think that sometimes people forget that our season isn’t that much better or worse than any other season in the last 13 years. It’s just that there are more contenders for top four than there used to be. Wenger and any team he manages is still just as mediocre and incompetent as ever. Other clubs like Liverpool and Spurs have moved on and not only caught up but seemingly overtaken us.

    If you were cynically minded, you could blame fate that other teams couldn’t catch up sooner. Last season was a fluke for Leicester but we still managed to come second though our points, as always, told a different story. This season we have to rely on other teams to drop points in order for us to get into top four. Given how lucky Wenger has been for the last 13 years in taking credit for achievement of top four rather than catching flak for failing to come anywhere near winning it, I wouldn’t put it past those other teams to hand over the top four trophy once again. We will see of course.

    Now as for Wenger leaving of his own accord, in my view that would only happen if he failed to make top four consistently for at least 2 or 3 years on the trot. Otherwise I’m afraid he’s staying come what may and no amount of wishful thinking is going to change that. That’s how I see it. If I’m wrong, good.

  3. Uwot?

    Alexhenry-spot on.you can bet when he eventually goes.the board will subtlety lay the blame at his door to cover their arses.so it will be v.interesting how they react when under further scrutiny.but wenger going is first urgent step….

  4. Redtruth

    Champagne charlie
    “Poch would do way more with our squad than his current one, which is even more damning of Wenger.”

    Thanks for clearing that up and debunking Alexanderhenry’s stupid claims that life under a new manager would be no different until Kroenke goes…

  5. Dan Ahern

    I think you have entirely too much faith in Kreonke, Pedro. The truth is he values steadiness above all else. I think the man couldn’t care less how shite his franchises are trash so long as they’re moneymakers.

    He’ll be missing CL money but TV revenue is way up, so business is good. I can’t imagine he’ll feel one ‘off’ season in 20 (as Wenger will explain it to him) is a sackable offense. After all there’s still a queue for season tickets, right? Arsenal is his steady money ship.

    So think about it from his high-level perspective: Big market, high prices, increasing revenue. In the end, Stan Kroenke will do exactly what you’re encouraging the fans to do: nothing.

  6. champagne charlie

    Carts
    Agree, it is all dependent on the manager. Makes me hesitate to judge players like Ramsey, Ozil, Ox who you feel could all do well in a genuine system.

    Red
    Don’t think that’s ever been Alex’s claim. Things will patently change under a new manager, but it would be naive to suggest Stan has a positive influence. You have to remember our goals aren’t the same as Spurs. Stan’s inout has to be compared to teams like City, PSG, Chelsea, United etc because thats the crowd we’re measured against. Irrespective of what manager we have in the summer Kroenke has done fuck all to demonstrate he has sporting success as a high priority at Arsenal.

  7. Tonyd

    Another good post Pedro

    Love to see the FA cup final boycotted as well as the Sundeland game.. Its not like we can win unless Wenger parks the bus and hopes to get to penalties. I would imagine Kronke would be there as well. The press would have a hay day.

    I’ve never been comfortable with the Gazidis appointment. I said earlier today that setting up the MLS deal bears no relation to the EPL & CL competitions.

    As said here today he’s shot himself in the foot with some benile comments you wouldn’t get from other top 4 club CEOs. Maybe he has had to toe the line a bit with Wenger being tight with Kronke.

    Maybe he’s been biding his time enjoying his salary. Wenger hasn’t helped him with success for commercial deals, though.

    I like Casper Leicester’s keeper. (Can’t spell his surname)

    Carts
    It’s late here, will reply tomorrow.

    Great posts from you guys.

    My wife complains now she’s a Le Grove widow.

    Never posted before Le Grove, so enjoying the experience.

  8. champagne charlie

    Dan H

    Painfully true. That’s the source of many fans frustration on here, Wenger’s position is untenable….but it’s actually not under this regime as we’ve seen the last few seasons – and with a contract having been offered earlier in the year.

    Good post, that is entirely the fear heading into this summer. I don’t see the catalyst for changing manager in Stan’s eyes.

  9. Redtruth

    Alexanderhenry March 5, 2017 17:43:53
    “I’ll admit this season wenger has disappointed. However, arsenal have spent significantly less than the likes of chelsea, man utd, city, barca, real madrid, bayern, past ten years at least.This is a fact.The reasons for this are not because arsenal fc were not able to spend but because our owner chose instead to stockpile cash and run arsenal as cheaply as possible,The result is that we have had inferior players and have consequently been unable to challenge for the PL and CL titles.Unless that changes arsenal will continue to fall behind the big clubs, with or without wenger.That’s a very clear argument,You disagree with this which is fair enough
    Seeing as next season looks to be ‘without wenger’, we’ll find out who is right.If you and Pedro are correct wenger’s departure will usher in a new era of big spending, better management and success,
    If I’m correct arsenal will at best continue to stagnate and at worst drift into mediocrity,”

    You were saying Champagne charlie ..lol

  10. Relieable Sauce

    If Stan isn’t too concerned about missing out on CL money, he might want to see something done about the wage bill.
    Selling Sanchez obviously goes some way toward that, but bumping up wages for under performing players will negate it, and we’ll have a much worse squad for the same wage bill, and still need to find a replacement.
    He must see that things can be run a whole lot better, Ivan must be able to convince him of this surely. If not what good is he?

  11. Tonyd

    Dan Ahern
    There’s a lot of truth in what you say but I think there will be much higher losses than you think as I’ve posted before.

    Next season under Wenger will see a further death spiral as Pedro puts it with further losses to come.

  12. Redtruth

    Alexanderhenry March 5, 2017 17:43:53
    “I’ll admit this season wenger has disappointed. However, arsenal have spent significantly less than the likes of chelsea, man utd, city, barca, real madrid, bayern, past ten years at least.This is a fact.The reasons for this are not because arsenal fc were not able to spend but because our owner chose instead to stockpile cash and run arsenal as cheaply as possible,The result is that we have had inferior players and have consequently been unable to challenge for the PL and CL titles.Unless that changes arsenal will continue to fall behind the big clubs, with or without wenger.That’s a very clear argument,You disagree with this which is fair enough
    Seeing as next season looks to be ‘without wenger’, we’ll find out who is right.If you and Pedro are correct wenger’s departure will usher in a new era of big spending, better management and success,
    If I’m correct arsenal will at best continue to stagnate and at worst drift into mediocrity,”

    You were saying Champagne charlie ..lol.

  13. china

    arsenal vs chelsea in beijing mid july. mid priced tickets 80 quid sterling! most expensive 160 quid!

    game at the birds nest (though that is a wonderful stadium)

  14. salparadisenyc

    Its all down to fan/supporter pressure to cut Wenger out of the equation, agree with Ahern on Kroenke. Perhaps his son could push it over the line but thats pure speculation. How Gazidis fits into that scenario is tough to say, as he’s just been a yes man up to this point.

    Dueling aircraft perfect metaphor for state of Arsenal, but each shitty performance that passes those ready for change grows. Really down to a couple holdouts on this blog and i’d bet there looking at the fence, checking the height with shoes at the ready.

    Imagine Wenger signing of with a 4-0 mauling in a Wembley finale, harsh but possible. And all created by him with the indecision over whose helming next season.

  15. china

    pedro when gazidis does something valuable at arsenal i’m sure we’ll all wake up and take note

    until then a single soundbite about catalyst for change will be enough for you!

  16. Redtruth

    Alexanderhenry
    “Seeing as next season looks to be ‘without wenger’, we’ll find out who is right.If you and Pedro are correct wenger’s departure will usher in a new era of big spending, better management and success,
    If I’m correct arsenal will at best continue to stagnate and at worst drift into mediocrity,”

    Lol lol lol Champagne charlie

  17. SpanishDave

    Wengers legacy is now down the toilet.
    Two or three years from now the whole mess will be truly exposed by former players, coaches etc and it will kill off his early years of success because it will be seen as luck and not his coaching.
    His stubbornness will in the end be his downfall
    Good riddance

  18. salparadisenyc

    I’d like to read the AA23 version of Wenger whose now playing the Kazakhstan Premier League.

  19. qna

    Jim: I can see our marquee signing being Marco Reus this summer once we sell Sanchez. Perfect fit for Arsenal, he will come in play amazing for the first 4 games and then be out injured for 5 months.

    Sorry for not replying on the last post. I think you are pretty spot on. Very likely outcome. I think that is highly likely because I think the regime is so backward that they may actually think that this is what would appease the fans the most if Sanchez was to leave. As opposed to having a any sort of practical plan as to how to move this club forward.

  20. Rhys Jaggar

    CC

    Spurs is an odd case in that their big signings have not fired but their small ones or academy players have sky rocketed. Alli and kane £60-100m each, total outlay £5m plus whatever value you ascribe to Kane in the academy. Alderweireld cost £11.5m, probably woth £40m now. Erikssen is probably in profit now after a slowish start 4 years ago. Dier cost peanuts and is probably £25m+ now. Trippier £3.5m and now Pocchetino may sell Walker for £50m and promote him. Wanyama is a £30m player now and Sissoko closer to £15m, a reversal of their ourchase prices.

    Thing is, if you have ever worked in risk capital (and that is what most football squads are), you always have some duds, some write downs and some things make millions for minimum investment. It is just the way life works. Fact is, you know what the risks are and either embrace them or run for the hills. But even knowing the risks does not allow you to get it right every time….

    My view about Spurs is they need another central defender they will play regularly (Wimmer has not had a look in), Sissoko needs to buck up or call Fed-Ex, and if they sell Walker they need a number two right back. Obviously a new back up striker or partner for Kane up top and one quality attacking midfielder. In an ideal world, they would upgrade Davies at LB, but he may remain in the real world….

    That assumes the squad does not get decapitated by big money offers.

    It is still not clear how they are paying the builders, my assumption is a £25m a year sponsorship deal and a £20-30m cut from the additional new stadium revenues. I reckon that will leave them £30m a year better off after all costs of running stadium are taken into account, excluding any mega deals they can do on the back of it and whatever cut they get from NFL games hosted there.

  21. Marc

    Rhys

    Did you see the article a couple of weeks ago about their stadium costs going through the roof. Hitting £800 million odd with the exchange rate shift.

  22. Dan Ahern

    champaign charlie — I hate to be so pessimistic but I think this club is mostly soulless from an ownership perspective. Don’t see anything coming down from the top, in that regard.

    Tonyd — What higher losses you referring to, monetarily you mean? Sorry didn’t see your other posts, haven’t been in the comments too frequently lately.

    Sal — Totally. IG is the wildcard but we’ve no idea what he’s thinking. Even if he’s just respectfully biding his time to make a move, does he have real power over Wenger? He’s not clearly his superior, structurally speaking.

    The sad fact is it looks like it’s all on AW to decide for himself. Like you say the fans may be able to influence him directly but I cynically think he sees the fanbase as beneath him, so it’d have to get really bad. Like Leicester-dressing-room-power-play bad.

  23. Dissenter

    Kroenke isn’t leaving unless we have one billion to offer him and even then I’m not sure he’s desperate for cash.
    Wenger does not even need to be fired. Just let his contract lapse and we are done with him.

  24. Hunter

    A friend of mine works for the Arsenal and has access to both the Emirates and the training ground,he tells me that all the staff and players know Wenger is staying but are not to tell the media.According to this source Wenger will sign and announce this on CUP FINAL eve!
    This could of course couldbe a load of bollocks but it’s something to juggle with.I guess there are still some twists and turns in this dire episode.
    WENGER OUT !!!!!

  25. salparadisenyc

    I have a slight hint of optimism that AW will step down after the finale but I could be deluded by it all. Really hard to see the path forward, has misery written all over it with Wenger involved.

    Was confident when season kicked off this would be his last, then it became clear AW was considering a further stay whilst overseeing this calamity of a season. Hard to back a manager whose gradually played worse football, bought lesser quality and tactically fallen to pieces on a slow burn of decline spread
    across the last decade. Arriving at a place where its clear a large swathe of the team isn’t giving him their full game.

    How anyone could hope for a bounce back is beyond me, any competition that requires consistency Wengers lost in the forest.

  26. champagne charlie

    Ashley
    I get the sentiment, I just find the execution too difficult. As is the stadium is rarely at capacity because the home fanbase is sadly littered with spectators vs actual fans.

    Trying to organise a game where an overwhelming majority of the 60k don’t show is near impossible I think. Better served with more demonstrative/disruptive efforts like mass external protests that garner media attention. Maybe a ridiculous chain of interlocked supporters spanning the whole stadium disrupting entry. Has to be in your face stuff because empty seats are just not that big a deal at Emirates, there paid for so Stan doesn’t give a fuck if people are sitting there.

    rhys
    I don’t disagree, but it’s one thing operating with a view to a high finish vs operating to the EXPECTED high finish/challenging for honours. That is almost an entirely different remit and Spurs haven’t shown the ability to take the necessary steps IMO. Kane has been a big plus for them, Alli the same. The rest are symptomatic of the transfer climate and relative buzz. If Arsenal had played well this year then OX/Rambo etc would be worth 40-50mil.

  27. champagne charlie

    Hunter

    sounds complete nonsense. It would be suicidal to announce it on the eve of a final knowing you could very well lose and total meltdown would ensue.

  28. Dan Ahern

    Sal — Came across this stat:

    ” In the last 24 away games against current top 6 rivals, his record is W 0 D 7 L 17 – 7 points from 72. ”

    He’s remarkably consistent!

  29. Redtruth

    The Invincibles and the teams before struggled with pressure and playing against top teams so no surprise with Wenger’s current chargers struggle albeit on a much greater scale…

  30. Redtruth

    The Invincibles and the teams before struggled with pressure and playing against top teams so no surprise Wenger’s current chargers struggle albeit on a much greater scale…

  31. TitsMcGee

    ” In the last 24 away games against current top 6 rivals, his record is W 0 D 7 L 17 – 7 points from 72. ”

    Jesus that has got to be a typo.

  32. TitsMcGee

    To reiterate what Jeff said.

    This season is pretty much what we always do but just that there is more competition. No coincidence Pep/Mou arrive with the addition of Klopp last season with an improving Spurs and we are mired in 6th. Also no coincidence that their arrival saw him splash £100 million for the first time ever.

    He’s been coasting into 3rd-4th for years and then smiling smugly into the camera at us as if to say “suck it you beetches”. Now there is more competition and he’s magically 6th and people are coming out of the woodworks to blame Kroenke.

    He’s got nobody to blame but himself. He’s been happy to tread water for a decade watching his rivals pass him by.

  33. champagne charlie

    Tits

    That sounds an awful lot like you’re blaming it all on Wenger, which is where the subject of Stan emanates from.

    This Arsenal malaise isn’t down to one guy.

  34. salparadisenyc

    Incredible stat Dan… thats it Wenger is consistently bad when it comes to pressure as Red said. With each season the dip goes deeper.

  35. TitsMcGee

    TitsThat sounds an awful lot like you’re blaming it all on Wenger, which is where the subject of Stan emanates from. This Arsenal malaise isn’t down to one guy.”

    Wenger is a huge part of it. Wondering about % blame is pointless because it’s arbitrary.

    Wenger recruits the players, signs the players, decides their wages, trains the players, “motivates” the players, decides the strategies, dithers on the players in the transfer market.

    (All of the above confirmed by various Wenger quotes over the years)

    How can he not take a large chunk of the blame?

    Is Kroenke the owner we need to turn us into a superpower? No.

    Is he good enough that we can be challenging for league titles once every few years? I don’t see why not. The current squad should be much MUCH better and would be under a better manager.

    That’s the best case scenario. Owners don’t walk away from cash cows. So blaming Kroenke seems quite pointless to me.

    (Wenger was failing before Kroenke arrived as well )

    Kroenke hasn’t got anything to do with getting hammered 3-0 at Palace etc etc.

  36. N5

    “he tells me that all the staff and players know Wenger is staying but are not to tell the”

    Even the toilet cleaners? 😀

  37. N5

    “If Wenger was such a winner why has he not confronted the board and why does he still remain at the club.”

    There are 8 million reasons.

  38. WengerEagle

    Would be so strange if Real Madrid were to pull it off again and become the first side to retain, very good side but they are extremely beatable when stacked up against the great Barcelona sides of the last half decade and Bayern Munich’s juggernaut in 2013.

    Ronaldo is past his prime, Benz is playing his football for them since he’s joined and Bale has been crocked half of the season.

  39. WengerEagle

    Jim

    Love the kid but surely it’s too soon for him, he’s still a bit green and could do with another couple of seasons of footy at Monaco.

    Maybe even they buy him and loan him back for a year, Ronaldo as CF and they buy Eden Hazard.

  40. Jim Lahey

    @WE – Yeah I would think it could be a bit soon, although I wonder if they will take the gamble on him remaining at Monaco and not moving elsewhere. Hazard will be interesting, we’ll see if Chelsea can keep their players when Madrid come knocking.

  41. WengerEagle

    Jim

    That’s where Real Madrid differ from other clubs though isn’t it, once they come calling it’s virtually impossible for a player to say no. Unless you’re Totti it’s easier said than done.

    They’re arrogant enough not to worry about where players end up as nobody ever says no to them once they come calling.

    Only other club in that ballpark are Barcelona and they are still set for a few years with Suarez and Messi.

    Even still, you’re right it would definitely save them a couple of coins in the future if they were to buy him right now before he smashes in a 30-40 goal season and breaks the world record fee.

  42. WengerEagle

    2-0 would make this really interesting as Atleti would been forced to become much more adventurous.

    You get the feeling atm that they’d gladly take the 1-0 back to their patch next week.

  43. champagne charlie

    Tits

    I don’t get why you’ve changed the argument and presumed context. Nobody who has spoken of Kroenke has done so in an effort to deflect from Wenger or establish percentages of blame, he’s only ever been brought in to analyse the Arsenal problem on a wider scale.

    Wish people would stop attributing dumb narratives to other posters this way.

  44. Jim Lahey

    Does anyone else notice that Kroos plays in boots that are about 5 years old? I think its odd that more players don’t do this, must be a pain in the dick to have to change what boots you wear every year.

    If I could I would still be playing in the Adidas Accelerators from 1998! Best boots I have ever owned.

  45. Alexanderhenry

    I’ll stand by that quote kindly posted by Redruth.

    Wenger has been complicit. His mistake was to show unlimited loyalty to Kroenke and very little loyalty to arsenal fans.
    I’m sure stan likes wenger, but deep down he must think he’s been gullible to the point of foolishness.

    It’s all caught up with wenger now and at 67, he’s clearly passed it.

    I think unless he wins the FA cup, he won’t be offered a new contract.

    What happens after that is anyone’s guess but I predict , it won’t be good.

    Kroenke has a record of appointing poor coaches and shies away from signing big names.
    Post wenger expectations will soon by ‘managed’ by the arsenal PR machine.
    Expect statements like this:

    ‘Arsenal fc will continue to promote the traditions and foundations set by arsene wenger. The club will continue to prioritise youth and develop teams playing ‘the arsenal way.
    The club is proud of its ‘self sustainable’ model and will continue to expand its business interests in a similarly secure and prudent way’.

    ..that sort of thing

  46. Alexanderhenry

    Listen to what Petit says about arsenal’s transfer tactics in the video attached to this article.

    Why do we leave it so late to make signings?

    Petit knows but he won’t say. The answer is that the whole club is geared to doing things on the cheap.
    If you wait until the last minute, you’re more likely to grab a bargain.

    That’s Kroenke’s arsenal for you.

    http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/786912/Arsenal-News-Ivan-Gazidis-Arsene-Wenger-contract

  47. Joe

    Petit knows but he won’t say.

    But you know what petit is thinking haha

    You’ve been wrong on here for however many years running. Just stop talking alex. Leave and go to
    Untold

  48. Joe

    Alex

    I thought wenger was a great man. A man of principles etc

    Patrick Roy, coach, left the Avalanche, another of kronkes teams, because he didnt agree with the direction of the club

    There is a man of principle. Of character.

    Not your arsene wenger

  49. Jim Lahey

    @Alexanderhenry –

    I don’t understand the mentality of leaving signings late to get a player on the cheap. If anything a club is more likely to drive the price of a player up because they know you are running out of time and are getting desperate. Mustafi was an example of that I believe.

    I am a big believer in getting your business done early and giving the new players time to settle into the team. I mean if you’re signing a player on the last day of the window you are already maybe 5/6 games into the season and depending on where you bought your player from he could take months to settle in.

  50. Joe

    Alex

    I will bet you a £100 that the season we have a new manager we are within 5 points of league leaders and make to to at least 1/4 finals of CL.

    Put your money where your big wrong mouth is

  51. Jim Lahey

    Hahaha!! @WE are you watching on TV3???!

    “WHAT A GOAL!! From the best finisher…….. on the pitch!”

    Nice pause there before he said in the world!

  52. Joe

    If you wait until the last minute, you’re more likely to grab a bargain.

    Mustafi and Perez cost us Millions before because we waited alex

    Mustafi was available for 25m at beginning of summer

    And we didn’t even want Perez because he was deemed not good enough and he doesn’t even play so that’s another 17m wast

  53. Joe

    If you wait until the last minute, you’re more likely to grab a bargain.

    Mustafi and Perez cost us Millions before because we waited alex

    Mustafi was available for 25m at beginning of summer

    And we didn’t even want Perez because he was deemed not good enough and he doesn’t even play so that’s another 17m wasted

    27m wasted because wenger waited until late in the TW

    WRONG AGAIN ALEx

  54. Jim Lahey

    Ha saw that Henry is the 6th all-time goalscorer in European football with 50 goals. Ronaldo has more than that in the knockout stages alone!

  55. Dissenter

    Wenger must be a very miserable man
    To wake up everyday and see all the players on his “nearly signed” list dong so well while the ones that he did snare are languishing in mediocrity.
    I bet he’s shitting his nappies just watching Ronaldo performing at 31 years old.

  56. Alexanderhenry

    Joe

    As confident as I am that arsenal will do worse post wenger- or at best the same- I’m not making bets these days.

    I already owe you a tenner anyway- I assumed you forgot.

    I’m happy to settle the bet but I’d rather not have any actual contact with you outside Le Grove.

  57. Dissenter

    AlexanderH
    You’re just playing up to the stereotype you’ve created for yourself here. It seems you’re willing to call an orange a banana just to minimize Wenger’s incompetence.
    There’s a rational basis for blaming Kroenke but you’re pursuing a tangential almost delusional track.
    “Petit knows but he won’t say. The answer is that the whole club is geared to doing things on the cheap. If you wait until the last minute, you’re more likely to grab a bargain”

    Actually as Joe and Jim have told you. You’re more likely to pay significantly more because the selling club wont have time to replace. Besides they will have you by the balls.
    Why do you keep trying to reinvent the wheel to defend Wenger?

  58. WengerEagle

    Hahaha Jim seems that.

    Wow back to back knockout hat-ricks against Bayer Munich and Atletico Madrid for Ronaldo, astonishing.

    Was 8 goals Messi after the group stage and now just sits one behind on 10, ridiculous.

  59. Dissenter

    Ronaldo and Messi have given football an era that we have all been privileged to witness.
    How do they find the consistency to keep performing at the very highest level.
    Totally unbelievable.

  60. WengerEagle

    Shame it has finished so one sided but credit to Real Madrid, good value for this 3-0 lead and could be even further ahead really. Atleti have been very poor going forward.

    Called them to sweep the tie a few weeks back, Atleti just seem to have a mental block when it comes to Real in the Champions League.

  61. Alexanderhenry

    Dissenter

    Ok maybe I’m being a little presumptuous.
    But, it depends. You can pick players up cheaply if you wait.

    Arsenal have been doing their transfer business late for years.

    There are two possible reasons for this:

    1) Wenger is a ditherer

    2) The club hangs on or drags out contract negotiations to try and pick up late bargains or force clubs to take less money.

    For the most part I’d go with 2)

  62. Dissenter

    You have to feel sorry for Simeone
    He has his team performing at a very high level season after season.
    How do you better two behemoth teams with two of the top-5 players of all time leading them?
    Surely he’s off to Inter to restart his career.

  63. Alexanderhenry

    Joe

    Happy to do that if Pedro agrees.

    You won that wager. Be content with that and move on.

  64. WengerEagle

    Agree Dissenter well said.

    Doesn’t diminish the work that Simeone has done at Atleti, if anything it elevates his achievements.

    How he managed to pull off winning the league in a prime Messi and Ronaldo era I’ll never know.

  65. Jim Lahey

    @Joe –

    “This could be our chance to grab Diego. Maybe he feels he has gone as far as he can with Atletico
    And wants a change of scenery”

    It will be Inter I am afraid.

  66. Dissenter

    AlexanderH
    The answer is obvious to all but you
    WENGER IS A COWARDLY DITHERER.
    He’s said as much repeatedly that the transfer market is like playing poker. We all know Wenger is terrible poker player.
    We end up buying Mustafi that had a going rate of 20-25 million in June for 35 million in late August because Valencia knew we were desperate.
    How did Valencia figure it out?
    We played our first game at HOME against a top-four rival with two inexperienced kids.
    That wasn’t Kronke’s doing. It was Wenger’s dithering. He wasn’t banking on Mertasacker getting injured and he though Kosh would be ready.

  67. champagne charlie

    Alex

    I think holding out and “playing a game of chicken” is exactly what Arsenal do with transfers – I’m certain its been stated as such too. A lot of clubs operate that way which is why TOTAL activity in the window is primarily the last few days.

    That being said its not acceptable given Arsenal SHOULD be operating in the realm of getting players when they want them with almost relative arrogance towards a few million. Though it can be argued that selling teams know the drill and refuse to let a player go until the last minute hoping to get an inflated figure.

    Still think we should be more dictating in windows though.

  68. Alexanderhenry

    Dissenter

    I agree we overpaid for mustafi.

    I’m not suggesting it’s a foolproof way of getting a bargain. It is the arsenal way though.

    On wenger’s ‘poker’ analogy, if you’ve got very little money to play with, yes it is like poker,
    If you’re Mourihno and you’re routinely given as much money as you like, it isn’t like poker.

    More like shopping in Harrods.

  69. champagne charlie

    Joe

    you were binned yesterday for being a dick, why don’t you learn and simply grow up a touch.

  70. Danish Gooner

    There is a Reading why the club have missed so many superstars in the making,Zlatan,Ronaldo,Rooney.Can you imagine us having Zlatan,Ronaldo and Rooney in his prime playing with speedster Henry,even i could win the cl with that team.

  71. Redtruth

    Ronaldo:
    Domestic: Appearances 714 Goals 522
    International: Appearances 138 Goals 71

    Gerd Muller:
    Domestic: Appearances 636 Goals 615
    International: Appearances 62 Goals 68

  72. Alexanderhenry

    What’s interesting is that Petit criticised arsenal’s transfer policy and the club’s insistence on waiting until the latter stages of the window before bidding.

    The big clubs don’t do this. This is how smaller clubs with limited budgets behave.

  73. Moz

    Alex H

    I doubt Kroenke had even heard about Arsenal when we signed Petit!
    And we all know all signings are handled by Arsene himself at the very least he has final say!
    Do you honestly believe that we are better off with Wenger over any other manager in world Football?????

  74. Alexanderhenry

    Moz

    No, of course I’m not.

    What I am saying is that arsenal need to change their transfer policy, whoever is in charge.

    If the club continues to under invest and wait until the last minute to make signings, we won’t be better off.
    Also, no genuinely top coach will work under those restrictions.

  75. Alexanderhenry

    More from Petit on transfers:

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/emmanuel-petit-calls-big-changes-10009462

    Some key quotes:

    ‘But if he (wenger) does decide to stay, there needs to be a big change at the club. They need to start spending the millions that Arsene has made for them.’

    ‘They (the fans) pay high, high prices to watch the matches there – probably more than anyone else in the Premier League.
    “And they should be seeing top ­players with the money that is now at the club.”

    ..indeed

  76. Redtruth

    Wenger’s the man who duped the board into believing he could find success on the cheap with crass statements like “We do not buy superstars, we make them”..

  77. Moz

    Agreed Joe

    He is here to purely wind us up!
    If he is genuin then it’s the likes of him that should be blamed for the state of our club.
    I desperately hope that the AKBs will leave with the old bastard when he ends his reign of terror!

  78. Dissenter

    AlexanderH
    The reason for holding out is not to score cheap buys.
    It is to see if fruit will be shaken off the trees of the bigger teams like Real or PSG.
    Wenger scored with Ozil because we were the last man standing. Everyone else had spent their budgets but we waited for the chain reaction to reach it’s conclusion.
    1]Levi had to approve Bale’s transfer. You recall he tried to delay or force a clause to prevent us from profiting from it.
    2]Ancelotti had to decide whether to let Ozil or Do Maria leave. This was after a full pre-season.
    It’s a very reactive and disorganized way to do transfers.
    We would have bought ANYONE Real let go, be t Di Maria or Ozil. It does not lend itself to proper squad building and it is wrong.

  79. Moz

    What restrictions???
    Wenger have spent a fortune over the last few Windows!

    When are you going to understand that ALL our policies are Wengers own policies!
    Murinho said himself that Wenger has the cushiest job in the league, so I doubt we would have any problems attracting world class mangers/coaches post Wenger

  80. Relieable Sauce

    Real will have to shift oMne or two big players if they get Hazard, the squads bulging with attacking talent.
    Bale and Morata most likely ???

    Shit, imagine if we would have drawn them in this form, would’ve been 10 goals in the 1st leg. Damn!

  81. Follow the money

    Arsenal are a Greek tragedy. One person with too much power, brought down by his own arrogance and hubris.

  82. Alexanderhenry

    Dissenter

    We landed Merts, arteta, arshavin, wellbeck and others very late and – I’m not saying they were all good buys- they all were relatively cheap or lower, mid priced buys.
    I agree with your tree shaking argument as well.
    Personally I think arsenal’s habit making last gasp transfers is a combination of:

    1) Picking up bargains- due to a lack of adequate overall investment

    2) Picking up second or third choice alternatives because the first choices were deemed too expensive- due to a lack of adequate overall investment

    3) Picking up cast offs from the ‘elite’ clubs for the reasons you stated- due to lack of adequate or overall investment.

    What is clear is that it is a bad way of doing business.

    What fans should be asking is why arsenal carry on in this way.

    Is the reason as simple as wenger being a ditherer?

    I don’t think so.

  83. N5

    Jesus Alex are you still beating the same drum!!! Wenger is a bad manager regardless of what money he has or hasn’t been allowed.

  84. Pedro

    Alex, you really have to stop saying things like ‘the club underinvest’ because it’s not true and you say it so often, it begins to sound like you’re trying to fake news the feed.

    3 highest net spend over 5 years
    200m wage bill

    That is not underinvestment.

    Our transfer policy is dictated by Arsene Wenger. His scouting network is shite. His advisors are average and purposefully so. He doesn’t have a pulse on the game. He’s not an attractive proposition for elite players.

    Keep things to reality.

  85. Pedro

    Even as a basic, we turn our noses up at Toby A and sign Callmum Chambers. Shocking management.

    We pass on Manalos when we could have used JC as a make weight.

    So many awful transfer decisions.

    Anyway, off to the gym

  86. Moz

    We obviously went through some tough years with very low transfer budgets.
    But when you look at the money spent the last 3-4 years then we have undeniably spent a lot of money. Money that I think most mangers would have been happy to have. Also if you look at our outrageous socialist wage structure then it becomes obvious how grossly our funds have been mismanaged! Wenger himself is on record stating he decides on transfers and contracts so how on earth is this issue even debatable?

  87. Alexanderhenry

    Pedro

    I’m not saying wenger has spent well recently, but the recent cash splashes do not make up for previous years of chronic underinvestment.

    Also, arsenal’s transfer policy is not ‘dictated by wenger’.

    No club’s transfer policy is .

    All club transfer policy, overall financial policy and business plan is dictated by its ownership.

  88. Moz

    He does not even sign any exciting players anymore. Gabriel Jesus, Ousmane Dembele, Firimino, Dybala, Alli, Douglas Costa and Mbappe are all players we realistically could have at least attempted to sign the last few years. I think it’s fair to say any of them would have been upgrades on what we currently have

  89. Ashley

    Wenger didn’t underinvest in previous years , he’s just a tight cunt who thought his team didn’t need any upgrades then things happened like an 8-2 hammering and we get yossi benayoun on loan

  90. Moz

    Alex H

    Just the fact that you think Kronke has any thoughts or input in to Arsenal’s transfer policy is laughable and beyond delusional!
    Arsene is a true dictator and he dictates Everything! He is even decidin on his own contract, that says it all lol!

  91. Samesong

    Also, arsenal’s transfer policy is not ‘dictated by wenger’.

    Wenger, speaking on SFR Sport, revealed Arsenal could’ve signed Kylian Mbappe before his emergence at AS Monaco.

    And the Frenchman admits similar problems arose regarding Chelsea midfielder N’Golo Kante and Atletico Madrid star Antoine Griezmann.

    He conceded: “We can improve our recruitment.

    “When we talk about Mbappé, we could have had him sooner. Players like Griezmann or Kanté were possible for us.

    “We missed them, not because of our financial limit. We need to be faster when players are not on the lists for all clubs.”

    Read more at http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/wow-arsenal-boss-arsene-wenger-admits-transfer-policy-problems-4179557#qB

  92. Dissenter

    AlexanderH ” arsenal’s transfer policy is not ‘dictated by wenger’.”
    Sir Chips; If he has a plan we back it, if he doesn’t have a plan we keep quiet”

    I believe the man in the know.

  93. TR7

    Wenger will sign a new contract and will be sacked next season when we again finish outside top 4. Stan has provisioned for one season out of top 4, not 2.

  94. Samesong

    “We missed them, not because of our financial limit. We need to be faster when players are not on the lists for all clubs.”

    Wenger words

  95. Dissenter

    There are things you can rationally ding Kroenke for but the current evdence is Wenger has been backed fully for at least 3-4 seasons.

    It just makes me cringe that this pathetic manager CHOSE to not buy an outfield player in the summer of 2015. He set the club back by two seasons.

  96. Alexanderhenry

    Dissenter

    Sorry, I don’t believe a word sir ‘chips’ says.

    Also, we should clarify exactly what ‘dictating transfer policy’ means.

    Transfer policy includes chiefly, the overall budget for purchases and wages.

    Wenger doesn’t set these, the club does, and the club is controlled by it’s majority shareholder.

    Wenger works within those parameters.

  97. Alexanderhenry

    ..whether he makes the right choices within those parameters is another matter. A bad buy is a bad buy and he’s made a lot of those lately.

  98. Follow the money

    Wenger is a ditherer. He admitted it. And it explains why we’ve been so mediocre since Wenger took over transfers. Dein would have signed the players we needed. Which begs the question; would Wenger have won any EPL titles if he’d been in charge of transfers in the early years? I say no

  99. Pierre

    If and it is a big if Arsenal win the f a cup that despite having a manager who is tactically inept and is incompetent when it comes to transfers and has apparently lost the players and are a team devoid of leaders ….it will mean that no team has won more trophies in the last 4 seasons than Arsenal ….. Strange but true

  100. Pierre

    CC
    “Joe you were binned yesterday for being a dick, why don’t you learn and simply grow up a touch.”

    He won’t ,Because he’s a dick