Legendary Pep G LOLs back the years | English fail, but is there a fair excuse?

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Hung out yesterday with a farmer in his 80s who started from nothing and now he runs a beautiful 200 acre organic fruit farm. You ever sit there and think, shit, I make tweets for a living? What the f*ck am I doing with my life.

ONTO FOOTBALL

How about Jardim over at Monaco? 2 years on from beating us, he took down Pep G with a 3-1 win at home. That means Leicester are the only team that survived the last 16 of the CL. Unreal carry on.

There’s a stat doing the rounds that highlights that English teams have only made the QF 4 times in the last 5 years, versus France’s 6, the Bundesliga’s 9 and Spain’s 15. This somehow points to our league being weak.

I’m not sure I buy into that notion. I think you have to wrap the issue with a big fat contextual blanket. Bayern were always going to beat us, but they played about half the games we did from early December because they had a monster break.  You can’t tell me that the amount of games the Premier League deals with doesn’t play a huge factor in poor performance in Europe. We need a winter break, but we won’t get one because we’re all about the tradition.

Not just that, pound for pound, the Premier League is way stronger than the other European leagues, so their top sides get days off.

I appreciate that last point doesn’t hold up when you remember lowly Bayer Leverkusen put Spurs out of the CL, but whatever. The Spanish league is toilet outside the top 4 teams. Barca, Atleti and Madrid are in training mode most of the season, so their freshness is preserved for the CL. The French league is 3 teams and the rest are kind of pony. I mean, no league has the intensity we boast, nor the distribution of mega money throughout, which equates to quality players. So we suffer against Spain because the overall quality of the top teams is higher, but that’s because they’re the greediest and they kill the tiny clubs by hogging all the cash. Not to mention all the tax sweetners / avoidance that’s being uncovered every week.

Our teams still need to do better. I feel like the Premier League is going through a bit of a transition at the moment. Pep G doesn’t have the team he wants. United and Chelsea aren’t in the Champions League. Spurs are new to the competition. Arsenal don’t care much for it.

I’d imagine the next 5 years might be a little different. We have all the money, great coaches and the top 5 is starting to look like it used to. All those factors combined can’t fail for long.

Still really embarrassing though. Not as embarrassing as passing on M’Bappe because he was too pricey. Or worse, because Yaya Sanogo boasts too much quality. Why is he even with us?

This isn’t just about Wenger. How about the legendary Pep G playing Sagna and Clichy as his full backs 10 years after they were relevant at Arsenal? Hilarious.

Right, I’m heading back to freezing cold NY this morning. Tomorrow I’m gonna right about Leicester’s Shakespeare being the future of English football.

See you in the comments!

366 Responses to “Legendary Pep G LOLs back the years | English fail, but is there a fair excuse?”

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  1. karim

    M’bappé, Mendy, Tolisso and Thauvin have just won their first cap.
    They play Spain, should be a good game.

  2. China

    I’m not actually that convinced that wenger is striving to do his best and it’s just not enough to reach the next level

    He’s paid 8m a year to manage and doesn’t do tactics or preparation. He leaves most of our transfer business until the last minute when we’ve already shipped points

    Like if he was actually trying tactics out or making big efforts in the transfer market and these things just didn’t always come off – ok at least he’d be trying

    But he’s putting next to no effort or thought into his job. I say that in complete seriousness. If a football manager predetermined most of his subs before the game and determines the time of subbing in advance. If he sends the team out for 95% of games with exactly the same strategy (express yourself). He doesn’t even say much at half time most of the time and we know during the game he just vacantly stares for 90 minutes with nothing much to say. Where exactly is wenger expending effort into this?

    He’s going through the motions of a routine that worked so well for him in his early days and he’s barely changed at all. He used to at least invest himself as this father figure to the top players we had to try and inspire loyalty. Not seeing any of our stars call him their second daddy anymore. And he used to be a master in the transfer market. Not anymore

    He’s not this dogged hero striving for perfection but just a little too flawed to achieve his dream. He isn’t even dreaming. He has said as much a thousand times and today is no exception – humiliated in the CL, out of the league, didn’t win the league cup and probably going to lose to FA cup – and not even top 4 right now – and he says there’s no pleasing us these days as if this is what we should be aiming for

    He’s not even trying. He’s showing up for work. Clocking in. Putting the cones out on the training field and reminding the players to express themselves on Saturday. For 8m a year. It’s frankly farcical

  3. China

    I’d rather we gave the 8m to charity and didn’t have a manager to be honest

    £8m a year could feed a whole lot of starving children and I’m sure Steve boil on his existing salary would be happy to put out the cones and remind the players to express themselves on Saturday morning

  4. Kane

    Sorry I am a bit simple… thank’s for bearing with me.

    So if I understand – you are saying that we should measure Wenger’s success (or lack of it) in relation to how much he has spent on players and not on how many trophies he has won?

  5. Rambo Ramsey

    ‘For all his faults wenger has a deep love for the club and would give his all to win titles’

    If you write this in past-tense, it might be closer to the truth. Wenger used to put in effort to win titles, that has not been the case post Emirates. A smart employee, I’ll give him that. When Dein was his boss, he played to win cause that was what Dein cared for the most. After Kroenke came in to the picture, he’s adjusted to what makes his new boss wet..business first.

    You can literally see the change in how he defined success. From ‘We want to go unbeaten’ to ‘Fourth place is a trophy’

    You folks need to ask yourselves: If Dein and Fiizzman were still running the show, would we be in this mess? The answer will tell you what the biggest problem in Arsenal is

  6. Tomtom

    What must the opinion be of Arsenal amongst the top European clubs.
    A club from the biggest city in Europe that 15 years ago were winning leagues and getting to champions league finals then build a new stadium and win two FA cups in the past 13 years.
    Imagine Barcelona or Real Madrid only winning 2 Spanish cups in the past 13 years?
    Pathetic stagnation and incredibly frustrating

  7. Redtruth

    That’s false Wenger has always been tactically naive and relied on players to outplay their opponents.
    He can’t do that now because his players are inferior compared to Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd and Spurs.

  8. Vote leave

    Rambo

    You can’t truly believe that
    He wears it on his face
    You can see how much defeat hurts him
    He just doesn’t have what it takes in the modern premier league.
    He clearly wants to win though.

  9. Vote leave

    No I’m saying that the criticism is over the top and citing two over rated managers’ recent records to prove my point.

    You brought up their glorious past
    It is now as irrelevant as wenger’s.
    Now they are struggling with better players and bigger budgets

    Wenger is a man stuck in the past, granted but he’s not as bad as people make out and he at least does his best and genuinely loves the club

  10. PhD07

    Rambo RamseyMarch 16, 2017 17:26:29
    Hey, why in the fuck does Abramovich shove his large nose in chpping and changing management? Is he not aware that its a ‘footballing decision’ and should be left for the managers to decide when they should quit?
    ————————-
    I’m not sure here,if I’ve got the gist of your argument?

    Correct me if I am wrong,but Abramovich’s involvement,despite the managerial revolving door has seen them win” 15 TROPHIES”since his inception-the following competitions:-

    4 PL Titles:-04/05. 05/06, 09/10, 14/15
    4 FAC’S:- 06/07, 08/09, 09/10, 11/12
    3 Lg Cups:- 04/05, 06/07, 14/15
    2 CS:- 05, 09
    1 CL:- 11/12
    1 EC:- 12/13

    Pretty much the full set of trophies,bar theFIFA Club World Cup..

    Maybe Kroenke,should take note-In terms of firing Arsene isn;t such a knee trembling decision after all…??!!

    PS
    Again,not sure if you are questioning Roman’s involvement in hiring & firing managers?If so,there’s no argument on your side..If not,I’ve probably read your post wrongly.

  11. Vote leave

    Red truth

    He won the title in 98 and 02 with arguable a worse team than united
    Certainly in 02

    Only in 03/04 were we truly the greatest side

  12. Redtruth

    Not only couldn’t Wenger beat Leicester but he finished a distant 10 points behind the Champions and that was in a season when Chelsea imploded, Man City were erratic and a Man Utd side in transition…lol lol lol

  13. Kane

    I measure success in simple terms – how many games / trophies has a manager won.

    How much he has spent to win those games / trophies is a mute.

  14. PhD07

    Rambo RamseyMarch 16, 2017 18:18:35
    After Kroenke came in to the picture, he’s adjusted to what makes his new boss wet..business first.You can literally see the change in how he defined success. From ‘We want to go unbeaten’ to ‘Fourth place is a trophy’ You folks need to ask yourselves: If Dein and Fiizzman were still running the show, would we be in this mess? The answer will tell you what the biggest problem in Arsenal is
    ———————————————-

    They are all complicit to varying degrees..
    But one must be rid of first(the front man),to expose the whole of the back line…

  15. Kane

    Pep

    Barcelona
    La Liga: 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11
    Copa del Rey: 2008–09, 2011–12
    UEFA Champions League: 2008–09, 2010–11

    Bayern Munich
    Bundesliga: 2013–14, 2014–15, 2015–16

    Jose

    Porto
    Primeira Liga: 2002–03, 2003–04
    Taça de Portugal: 2002–03
    UEFA Cup: 2002–03
    UEFA Champions League: 2003–04

    Chelsea
    Premier League: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2014–15
    FA Cup: 2006–07

    Internazionale
    Serie A: 2008–09, 2009–10
    Coppa Italia: 2009–10
    UEFA Champions League: 2009–10

    Real Madrid
    La Liga: 2011–12
    Copa del Rey: 2010–11

    Sorry I couldn’t find anything on Wikipedia that mentioned their net spend…

    I guess I am not the only one who must be ignorant to context… lol

  16. Redtruth

    Two bottle jobs cost Arsenal the Double in 1999
    Bottle job #1: Vivas blunder away to Leeds
    Bottle job #2: Bergkamp’s penalty miss when Man Utd were down to 10 men and Vieira’s fuck up pass which resulted in the subsequent terrible defending for their goal.

  17. Kane

    Arsene

    Arsenal
    FA Premier League (3): 1997–98, 2001–02, 2003–04
    FA Cup (6): 1997–98, 2001–02, 2002–03, 2004–05, 2013–14, 2014–15

    But at least he didn’t spend a lot of money…. lol lol lol

  18. Vote leave

    There is no context there

    Kenny dalglish won the EPL too after spending the most money
    Any cunt can do that

  19. Vote leave

    That’s not the point

    What are they doing this season?
    Nothing
    No glory in buying titles
    You conveniently left out his titles at Monaco and Grampus there
    Should have been a politician

  20. Kane

    Grandad – what was it like being a Chelsea supporter when you were young….

    Well boy, I got to see a few great managers come and go, we had some great players and I saw my team win countless trophies, even European cups!

    – – – –

    Grandad – what was it like being an Arsenal supporter when you were young….

    Well boy… we didn’t win a lot, and got routinely humiliated by big teams each year, we went without major trophies for decades at a time and we never won anything in Europe…..

    BUT… our net spend was amazing…

    lol lol lol

  21. Kane

    Vote leave March 16, 2017 19:07:15

    That’s not the point

    What are they doing this season?
    Nothing
    No glory in buying titles
    You conveniently left out his titles at Monaco and Grampus there
    Should have been a politician

    – – –

    HAHAHA YOU MUG

    The team had its most successful season up to 1995 when it was managed by current Arsenal manager Arsène Wenger.

    It won the prestigious Emperor’s Cup and finished second in the J. League, with Dragan Stojković and Gary Lineker on the team.

    The 1995 success was eclipsed on November 20, 2010, when the club won its first J. League trophy, under the management of Stojković

  22. Vote leave

    It’s not black and white

    We we 12 mins away from beating Barca with 10 men and our worst squad in a decade. We owned Barca that day and had Henry put his chances away we would have won

    Was that fluke or great management?

    Wenger still holds the record that year for a run of games without conceding with a back line that included senderos, eboue and flamini at left back

    Fluke or good management?

  23. PhD07

    Vote leaveMarch 16, 2017 19:01:55
    PhDAnd how do you suppose youll get there if he won’t jump and they won’t push?
    ——————
    Simple boycott,protest and refuse to renew season tickets en masse..

    You are seen as a consumer/customer by the club

    Conversely,in line with your consumer rights as an individual,if you are not happy with a service,do you make the informed choice/decision to return,or continue to pay for a service that you are not satisfactorily happy with?

    Pretty simple..Not rocket science!!!

  24. Vote leave

    Well if that’s the case then it is even sadder that you support a club that has such a loser as the most successful in their history.

    If wenger is a loser then it shines your club in a worse light doesn’t it?

  25. Kane

    So evern at Grampas – wenger couldn’t win a title then another manager came along and surprise surprise…. they won a title… lol

  26. Vote leave

    PhD

    I don’t go any more
    But my protest isn’t aimed at just wenger. It’s at the suits too.
    My point is that everything at arsenal that goes south cannot be blamed only on arsene wenger

  27. Redtruth

    Keown was in charge of our defence and subseqently moved on during our record 10 straight clean sheets in the Champions league.
    In any case we sooned returned to type in the Final by giving away 2 preventable goals.

  28. PhD07

    Vote leaveMarch 16, 2017 19:11:21
    It’s not black and whiteWe we 12 mins away from beating Barca with 10 men and our worst squad in a decade. We owned Barca that day and had Henry put his chances away we would have wonWas that fluke or great management?Wenger still holds the record that year for a run of games without conceding with a back line that included senderos, eboue and flamini at left backFluke or good management?
    ————–

    And we are 20 years down the line with Arsene,having never won a UEFA Cup,or a CL Cup?

    Fluke,or simply bad management?

  29. Redtruth

    Keown was in charge of our defence and subseqently moved on during our record 10 straight clean sheets in the Champions league.
    In any case we sooned reverted to type in the Final by giving away 2 soft preventable goals.

  30. Vote leave

    Kane

    Then he want and win the double at arsenal
    Broke untieds monopoly and dominance
    Revolutionised the English game
    Won a second double
    Put together the greatest side this country has seen and went 49 games unbeaten

    Then the oil money came in

    He built a new stadium and put our club (financially) in the worlds top 5

    Yet you chastise him like you’re the fucking messiah

    I come back to my original point though
    The past is the past no matter how glorious
    How are Jose and pep faring right now?
    Not very well

  31. Kane

    Vote leave March 16, 2017 19:15:37

    Well if that’s the case then it is even sadder that you support a club that has such a loser as the most successful in their history.

    If wenger is a loser then it shines your club in a worse light doesn’t it?

    – – – –

    I completely agree Vote – it is sad that the club I love has a serial loser as it’s manager. The sooner he goes, the sooner we can all get back to being competitive again.

  32. Redtruth

    Phd

    The club may see fans as customers but fans do not see themselves as customers but as supporters.

    Saying that though the fans have a lot to answer for by propping up this regime.

  33. BigLee

    A few years back, Gazidis made what seemed like, at the time, an offhand compliment to Wenger, “Arsene has a job for life at Arsenal”. I am convinced that this was not simply a throwaway comment but, in fact, an agreement made between Wenger and Kroenke in exchange for Wenger staying on through the stadium build and lean financial period at the club. He can stay at the club in his position as long as HE chooses and the club management can do nothing about it. The contract renewals are just a formality because they can’t publicly disclose this agreement and corporations can’t really do indefinite term legal agreements/contracts.

    This is probably the reason Sir Chips made the remark about the BOD keeping “quiet when Arsene doesn’t have a plan”. The BOD simply has no power to do ANYTHING about Wenger and neither does Gazidis.

    So Mr. Gazidis, is it true that Wenger has tenure at this club and cannot be forced to leave until HE decides to?

    What this means is that resistance is futile. No amount of bad results, protests, bashing from pundits and media means anything. All this angst is for nothing.

  34. Vote leave

    Not one of these managers had gone a season unbeaten

    Only wenger has
    Only wenger

    You can piss and moan til the cows come home and you will…
    But wenger is in charge
    We voted leave
    Trump is president and there is not a god damned thing can do about it

  35. Kane

    Vote… he WAS a great great manager and if you are suggesting I am not grateful to Wenger for the success he has brought in years gone by then you are wrong.

    I am very grateful and I thank him for all he has done… even if it was 13 years ago….

    Imagine Wenger signed for us in 2005… would you still think he deserved to stay on at Arsenal based on winning a few FA Cups in 11 years?

    I would say no – you would think who is this useless guy who obviously cannot compete – so don’t let past glory from over a decade ago cloud your view.

    Ok let’s go back to your original point.

    I totally agree – so far this year Jose has been a flop at United… but as I pointed out, it is his 1st season in charge of a new project… not his 20th… so he has time on his side.

    Pep has taken Man City further in the ECL than they have ever been before, is in a FA Cup semi final and sits 3rd in the league (on goal difference) in his 1st season in charge – again, not ideal, but new project, etc….

    Wenger – in his 20th year in charge of Arsenal, knowing the club and the players inside out, sits 5th… is in the FA Cup semi final (with 3 other teams that are doing better than Arsenal), got humiliated 10-2 on aggregate by Bayern in a competition he has never won and all with arguably the best player in the league this year in Sanchez….

    So again…. what is your point exactly? That we should be happy that Wenger in his 20th year at Arsenal is a worse manager than 2 guys who are in their 1st season with their new clubs?

  36. Elmo

    “We owned Barca that day”

    Lol. Revisionism of the most embarrassing kind. Rewatch that match and then say that again.

  37. Kane

    Vote leave March 16, 2017 19:28:54

    Not one of these managers had gone a season unbeaten

    Only wenger has
    Only wenger

    You can piss and moan til the cows come home and you will…
    But wenger is in charge
    We voted leave
    Trump is president and there is not a god damned thing can do about it

    – –

    You just said we are not taking past glory into consideration – so yes well done Wenger went unbeaten in 2003 – which is fantastic… but doesn’t mean shit in 2016.

    I banged a model in 2003… I gave her the best night of her life and she said I was the best she had ever had.. These days, whenever my missus tells me I am lousy in bed I remind her of that story….

  38. Thank you and goodnight

    @Vote Leave

    Hahahahahahahahaha what utter pooh pooh you write. Wenger is an average manager who lucked out, a French Sven goran and now lucks run out your seeing him in his real light. A SHIT manager.

  39. Vote leave

    I’m not saying wenger should stay on
    I agree it’s time to go
    I wanted one last fucking hurrah but it wasn’t to be
    But he should not go amongst such hatred from silly little boys who had never kicked a ball and probably weren’t even born when wenger first arrived
    I’m not saying that’s you hit it is most often the case
    I want to see a new guy come in and build but I’m not king to sit here and read comments about how Jose and pep are superior
    I don’t agree
    Jose is someone I do admire for his humour and his aptitude but he is fucking boring and spends more for success than anyone except Guardiolia, who again is very talented but very fortunate to have inherited the teams he has
    Now he is at city and still has all the advantages of wealth but the league is actually competitive unlike Germany and Spain and he doesn’t seem to be doing too well.

    Ranieri on the other hand is a man who won against all odds
    I would even go so far as to say his achievements may rival if not surpass the treble and the invincibles.

    Wenger was a great manager and the equal in his prime to pep or Jose in my view

  40. Redtruth

    That unbeaten record set by Arsenal was an anomaly just like Leicester winning the title was ..

    Arsenal haven’t moved on, which in itself proves how meaningless and freak of an event it was…

  41. Marc

    So fucking bored of the Wenger comments. Everyone has pretty much switched to Wenger out so now it’s non stop Wenger used to be good vs Wenger’s always been shit.

    Is no one on here actually capable of making a comment that gets an interesting conversation going? Doesn’t even have to be about Arsenal.

    How do people think the Spud’s are going to cope with not only the stadium move but a season of league matches played at Wembley?

  42. Thank you and goodnight

    @Vote Leave

    Not only is pep, klopp and jose superior to Wenger, fucking Sam Allardyce is a better manager. I wouldn’t have Wenger managing my local Sunday league team.

  43. Kane

    Vote leave March 16, 2017 19:52:21

    I’m not saying wenger should stay on
    I agree it’s time to go
    I wanted one last fucking hurrah but it wasn’t to be
    But he should not go amongst such hatred from silly little boys who had never kicked a ball and probably weren’t even born when wenger first arrived

    – – –

    Ok so can we get this straight…

    You want Wenger to go… you agree it is time for him to leave….

    BUT HE DOESN’T WANT TO LEAVE AND REFUSES TO LEAVE UNLESS PUSHED.

    So what do you (someone who thinks he should leave) do?

    Ask him nicely again and again?

    We did that – for the last 3 years…

    HE STILL WONT GO!

    So the people you see abusing him are fed up with him taking the piss – that’s all.

    If Wenger announced tomorrow it was his last season… everyone that abused him would stand up together and applaud him out…. but until he announces – he will get abuse.

  44. Thank you and goodnight

    @Redtruth

    Don’t worry vote leave is actually Arsene Wenger. Talks as much crap as wenger

  45. Kane

    Marc March 16, 2017 20:06:32

    I think they will struggle… which will be good for Arsenal…

    WENGER OUT… lol

  46. Marc

    Kane

    Agree – the season at Wembley will be tough and then it’ll take them a season to adjust to a new “home”. Personally I think they need to win something to stop the team breaking up – think next season will be really difficult so it’s the FA Cup this season.

    Only needs a big club to come along and poach Poch, the Spud’s don’t pay wages anywhere near the level of Chelsea, Utd and City let alone Barca or Madrid. Kane and Alli get their heads turned and it could all go toilet pretty quickly.

  47. Redtruth

    Kane
    “Vote… he WAS a great great manager and if you are suggesting I am not grateful to Wenger for the success he has brought in years gone by then you are wrong.”

    Who has never won the Champions league..makes sense…lol

  48. WestLondonGoon

    What happens with N17’s home cup games? Imagine Spurs v Barnet in the 4th round of the league cup at Wembley or a non league team drawing them away in the FA Cup? Bad enough the semi finals getting played at Wembley, but that would really take away from the whole thing of ‘getting to Wembley.’ Every lower league team will want to draw Spurs away in both cups.

  49. Marc

    WestLondon

    I haven’t heard anything but you’ve got to assume they’ll be forced to play elsewhere as you say anything else would cause further damage to the Cup’s reputation.

  50. Marko

    Just so there’s no confusion Vote Leave are advocating for keeping him on and giving him a new deal? For what reason?

  51. Pierre

    Marc
    “Only needs a big club to come along and poach Poch”

    Why would any big club want a manager who has won absolutely nothing….. You all belittle Wenger for “only” winning 2 f a cups and community shields during pochettinos tenure at spurs and they can’t even finish above arsenal….. But yes, pochettino is the media’s blue eyed boy who can’t do nothing wrong… I reckon he is a bottle job when the going gets tough just like his players.. 5 or 6 of them played for England in the euros…. England losing to Iceland is no different to spurs losing to gent who incidentally were getting beat 6-2 on aggregate by some team called genk….

  52. Marc

    Pierre

    I wasn’t suggesting Poch is the messiah but as you say the media love him. He is better than anyone else the Spud’s have had for god knows how long. Either way it’s win win – he’s a serial bottle job or he leaves.

    My point was more the breakup of the team they have – they’re not as good as the media portrays but again lose a couple of the names and it’ll go pear shaped.

  53. Marc

    Pretty sure he won’t be boasting about getting knocked out of the CL at the group stage and then Gent in the europa league in the same season.

  54. Marc

    Oh and losing to 10 man Newcastle – actually getting hammered by 10 man Newcastle when all they had to do was draw to finish above Arsenal for the first time in 20 over years.

  55. Marc

    Red

    Piss poor which is why the Spud’s should have learnt from our experience. There was no need for them to play at Wembley other than greed and hubris.

  56. PieAFC

    No glory in buying titles?

    Fuck me. Are you actually serious. Are you one of them people that takes part and is just happy to of participated. Like the fat kid at school.

    Such a muppet statement. People following Arsenal, deary me.

  57. N'Gambo

    Pedro’s post is jingoistic hogwash.

    Yesterday it was how great the English players are (who aren’t actually English), and no mention of the embarrassingly shite national team – who are actually English.

    Total horse clappers.

    Today it’s how elite the English league is – when it’s all about the superannuated over-the-hills like Wenger and, yes, Pep, Maurinhno, Ibrahimovic etc. The best talent is on the continent.

    Next up: Brexit – because the EPL is so much better.

    Dickheads.

  58. PhD07

    RedtruthMarch 16, 2017 20:02:16
    Going unbeaten the whole season is not a unique achievementAVB did it with Porto ..for fuck sake..is he a legend…lol
    ————————-
    This raised a chuckle..Or rather.had me splitting my sides..Funny,but true..

  59. Elmo

    I thought both Lyon and Roma were pretty poor tonight. But well done to Lyon for doing enough to get through.

    Nainggolan was the standout performer on the field. Great combination of energy and quality. Doesn’t lose the ball much and is involved in pretty much everything positive. Puts in the defensive work too.

    If KJ Weng insists on staying, I’d like to see us take a crack at the EL next season. Put him up against teams like Lyon, Inter, Villareal, Ajax, Galatasaray in knockout games and see what happens.

  60. Charlie Nick

    If Arsenal had no money between 06-13 how come our wage bill was/is so high.?
    How come after the 8-2 we could afford to go on the bin rake that netted us Mertesacker, Santos and bloody Park!
    Yes, Kroenke is too hands off, yes he accepts well lucrative mediocrity but let’s not forget the man that supplies that in spades. If Wenger loves the game and Arsenal so much, why does he serve up such dross every season. It’s not like our failures are glorious, they are limp, predictable and tedious. Poor signings, good players made poorer (Arshavin, Sanchez) poor players given extended contracts (Diaby, Coquelin, Sanogo) and decent players never given a shout (Perez, Holding). Wenger is the root of the majority of Arsenal’s evils. Kroenke only allows this as the balance sheet is healthy. Gazidis is a spin merchant with zero power.
    Let’s hope the RAF (Remove Arsene – Failure) fly boys get decent coverage v Brom

  61. Black Hei

    I will give a defence of Pep G.

    This whole logic of Pep winning things with Barca due to the amazing quality of Messi alone is hog-wash.

    Pep redefined a style. That style was based on possession based style football with high pressing.

    It was completely counter-intuitive at that point in time because everyone was using Mou/Greek no-possession, counter attacking, low backline football.

    The possession style was so good, the Spanish team partially copied it and bridged the Barca-Real divide with Alonso as a lynch-pin in the mid alongside Iniesta and Xavi. The Spanish team did not press as hard, I think.

    Of course, Spain did not have Messi either. But they won everything available.

    So Pep should be seen as a revolutionary and creative tactician. He might struggle with inferior clay, but that should not in anyway shadow his prior achievements.

  62. China

    You can’t say wenger cares because ‘look at his face’

    If he cared he would actually do something rather than repeat the exact same approach and formula every single week

    If he cared he would look embarrassed or ashamed after the worst results

    He doesn’t. He hasn’t.

    He comes out annoyed with the press and fans for criticizing him. In his eyes quite evidently he hasn’t done anything wrong – ever.

    As for there’s nothing we can do about him because he’s here to stay. Nonsense. The very fact that his position is being seriously questioned by the media and a section of the fans, with protests and fucking plane and the rest would’ve been unthinkable a few years ago. For the first time now wenger staying has become a question of what’s right for the club rather than just how the great lord feels

    If enough pressure continues or increases and if fans are not placated make no mistake the old man won’t be able to stomach it forever. As entrenched as he is, he can’t stand being questioned and now it’s happening on a weekly basis. Even if he signs the contract it’s not over. Will he be able to stay for the whole two years when even more of the stadium are against him every week, damaging the atmosphere of the club, annoying sponsors and unsettling the team etc?

    Just like presidents can be impeached for breaking the law – managers who have a contract and want to stay aren’t immune.

  63. GoonerDNA

    I agree Black hai, Pep refined Barca’s style which allowed them to play higher line and press better. Made sense Spain played the same at the time with the midfield of Xavi and Iniesta but Spain adopted a false striker as they felt they had enough technical player to make it work but also had a abundant of talented mids.

    Really don’t understand the arsenal fans bleating on about him spending a lot at city and not winning anything when Arsenal spent plus 100 million and have delclined this season. Fact is Sane and Gabriel Jesus look brilliant and will be top players for the next 5/10 years. City just need a defence and I’m sure that’s what Pep will get this summer but when has Wenger ever addressed key issues???

  64. China

    Whilst some managers will sometimes walk into a challenging situation and turn it around immediately (conte) nobody can expect this from all good managers every time.

    Just like when arsene goes, even the best man who comes in might take a couple of years to sort things out

    I’m not pep’s biggest fan but it’s clearly pointless to be going in all guns blazing on him 6 months after coming.

    Klopp has been negligent with pool’s defense, but again he has broadly taken Liverpool forward since he came and he deserves another transfer window

    Wenger hasn’t improved us whatsoever in 10 years so comparisons are not exactly equal

  65. Bamford10

    Great post, Charlie Nick.

    Agreed, Black Hei. The notion that Guardiola got lucky with Barcelona is complete garbage. They were one of the best-organized and most-disciplined sides in the world under Pep, and he was the architect of the 5-second pressing approach and of the hyper-possession. Every player who played for him, save Ibra, has nothing but utmost praise for his understanding of the game, tactical acumen, etc.

  66. China

    You have to give pep credit for what he achieved

    But as well with the squads at his disposal and even more so in the leagues where he’s managed he’s not been especially tested compared with what many other managers have had to go through

    That’s why I think the praise he gets is overstated – but as well you can’t take away what he achieved and there’s no denying he’s an excellent manager

    Whether he’s the world’s best and so on I’m not so sure, but he’s absolutely elite whichever way the cookie crumbles

  67. karim

    PhD

    Why not after all ? It’s been better for a couple of years now and this season’s performances on the European stage illustrates the phenomenon.

    Still 3 teams in the mix for the national title, a pool of young talent that’s second to none and an offensive mentality with ambitious managers at last !

    Long may it last..

  68. Black Hei

    Perhaps Pep G might struggle with City.

    I think he is too much of a latter day Wenger to truly succeed with limited resources.

    He is finding out that his style might be too intense to sustain in EPL’s no winter break, 100mph kind of matches.

    Plus being given a set of defenders that creaks and

  69. reality check

    wally eh.. what a wally. Delli Ali pissing all over his “im still young” bullshit.

    Ox and Ali are much younger than walcott with far less ucl games.

    Mr Scores pointless goals in pointless games.

    The players get top 4 bonuses. There’s your motivation.

  70. Alan

    Anyone else think Marc is obsessed with Spurs? Mate, every post you write is “anyone else think spuds are…..’

    Give it a rest. This is an Arsenal forum.

  71. Black Hei

    RA

    Wally might be a very limited player, but wonder why he get gets dropped when he is a consistent goal scorer with this season he being extra consistent.

    With Rooney and Kane out, it would be smart to leave Walcott in the mix.

    I wouldn’t fault him for Arsenal woes this year. It is Wenger’s inability to sort out the middle of the field that takes the cake of blame.

  72. Jim Lahey

    @Black Hei –

    What bothers me the most about Walcott aren’t his limitations as a player (and there are many), but rather his attitude on the pitch when he is playing. We may as well start with 10 when Walcott is in the team. He hides from the ball, often almost marking the right back, staying so close that he is never available to receive a ball.

    He is constantly offside, with no need to be, we can see often that he is looking across the line and knows he is offside. For a man who supposedly has pace to burn where is it??!

    Another trait of Walcott that really irks me is his pulling out of ball winning situations, many times where it looks he is favourite to reach the ball first.

    His tracking back is non-existent, we have a young inexperienced right back in the team at the moment and Walcott does nothing to protect him.

    What other club would have allowed him to swan about the place for the last 11 years?

  73. Relieable Sauce

    Champions League quarter-final draw:

    Atletico Madrid v Leicester
    Bayern Munich v Real Madrid
    Borussia Dortmund v Monaco
    Juventus v Barcelona

    Interesting draw.

  74. Cesc Appeal

    BvB v Monaco should be a great game, Madrid will walk over Munich I think, Juventus v Barcelona should also be great and fingers crossed we’re watching our next manager there do a number on Barcelona, you would think Atletico will easily get past Leicester.

    Some great ties there. Monaco, Madrid, Juventus and Atletico into the semi-finals I think, tough though.

  75. Red&White4life

    2017, Friday 17th March.
    To this day, le mighty prof is still the manager of the Arsenal FC.

    #wengerexitasap

  76. SpanishDave

    Walcotts got Wengeritis he can’t understand why he’s dropped from the England squad. Deluded dick, he thinks he’s a baller.

  77. azed

    @vote leave,
    Why is Wenger the king of unrecognised stats?

    1) Highest number of points in a calendar year
    2) Longest number of year qualifying for the champions league

    When would Wenger actually win an European trophy? You know a real trophy?

  78. vicky

    Mouth watering draws for the CL quarter final.

    Monaco-Dortmund the pick of the draw, so much young talents on show from both sides.

    Madrid-bayern and Barca – Juventus battle of 4 giant clubs

    Leicester will be playing against a team which has a very similar style although there’s a huge gulf in class. Interesting match up nonetheless.

  79. Vintage Gun

    Boro Primorac ;-

    “Wenger isn’t considering leaving Arsenal. Of course it is ugly to lose 5-1 twice in the Champions League, even though it came versus Bayern.”

    “We understand how fans are not happy, neither are we. But as for critics, there are no less grateful persons in football than fans and ex-players.”

    “Arsenal’s strength in the past 20 years has been Wenger. It is not all about results, but also business part of the club that matters.”

  80. Vintage Gun

    So us fans are ungrateful aye Boro?

    First time iv’e ever seen you quoted and our having a pop at the fans!

    Couldnt make it up

  81. vicky

    “It is not all about results, but also business part of the club that matters.”

    Sums it up all really why Wenger wouldn’t be asked to leave despite poor results.

  82. Dream10

    Hope it’s a good Friday so far

    What are we thinking for an XI tmrw?

    Cech
    Bellerin Mustafi Koscielny Monreal
    Ramsey Xhaka
    Walcott Özil Sánchez
    Giroud

    Expect Giroud to be in the XI.
    West Brom are good in the air. At times, they start four CBs and Rondon up front. So, that’s five aerial threats on set pieces.
    Not sure, but we haven’t picked up three points away to a top 10 side since September. Need Ramsey, Özil and Sánchez to have good games.
    Hoping for a 4-1 victory

  83. Marko

    Ultimate troll from Primorac. We should be grateful? For what the countless humiliating defeats we’ve suffered over the years under Wenger. I’m not surprised tbh that an absolute sham like him would come out with a statement like that cause otherwise he’d be out of a job. In fact if it wasn’t for the culture of rewarding average work with new contracts that’s been a problem at Arsenal under Wenger that fuck would of been out of a job years ago. Absolute audacity of the cunt

  84. Red&White4life

    “Hoping for a 4-1 victory”

    Some Grovers still don’t understand that we CAN’T have BOTH pressure on le senile one AND positive results, amazing…

  85. Steveyg87

    If Juve dump Barca out then we can kiss our chances of having Allegri good bye. PSG and the like will be all over him like flies to a piece of sh!t

  86. Steveyg87

    “Champions League quarter-final draw:

    Atletico Madrid v Leicester
    Bayern Munich v Real Madrid
    Borussia Dortmund v Monaco
    Juventus v Barcelona

    Interesting draw.”

    Imagine telling this to a Leicester fan 2 seasons ago

  87. Bamford10

    Great quarterfinal match-ups in the CL. Monaco-Dortmund and Juventus-Barcelona will be the most enjoyable to watch, I think.

    Leicester are unlucky in a sense to have drawn cagey Atletico. They probably would have been better off against Bayern or Barcelona, both of whom are more susceptible to counterattack.

    Arsenal irrelevant on the European stage — yet again.

  88. Steveyg87

    “Serious question – what does Primorac do at the club?”

    Quite simple. He’s a yes man, just like every poor old sod behind the scenes at Arsene FC

  89. Bamford10

    As for Wenger having no plans to leave, not only must the protests continue, but the volume must be increased. I’ve read that the plane has been called off, which is a bad call. Time to begin throwing shoes at the man, throwing shoes on the field. He must be driven out.

  90. Red&White4life

    “Serious question – what does Primorac do at the club?”

    same question can be asked to Ozil, Wenger, Kos, Bould, Ivan, Stan…
    In fact that is ZE central question at Arsenal lol

  91. Park Chu-young's left testicle

    Unfortunately to have any chance of the twat pissing off we have to keep losing. Sad, but true.

  92. Cesc Appeal

    Just shows you how totally fucked this club is, they literally are so insulated and all share the exact same goals and beliefs and fundamentally misunderstand the mood among fans by continually pointing to isolated results as cause of frustrations and then try to forward consistency and business success as reasons to be grateful.

    The reason Wenger is not and will not be a success again is because that is the tone behind the scenes at the club, no disagreements, no opposing opinions, everyone be grateful to Wenger and just go along with what he says.

    It gets seriously nasty or Wenger stays, I think that is about it now.

    He is shameless enough that if people want change but won’t ask for it, he will stay, as bad as it is, he needs to now be shoved off the cliff by the fans, need to make it so that him signing on looks totally ridiculous.

  93. Hunter

    There are two certainties in life!
    1) we all will eventually die
    2)AFC will be managed by WENGER until he dies!

    Having watched various interviews with him recently,his total lack of concern,his arrogance ,total acceptance of any blame and his constant smirk,tells me he isn’t stepping down,not now not ever while he has air to breathe.

    We will win zero this season AND finish out of top four but he will still sell it to the owner and board as a success.
    When he signs the new two or four or whatever length of contract I am done with AFC,having supported them for almost 50 years I cannot bear to see them decline any more.

  94. vicky

    Wenger has decided to brazen it out. He knows majority of the fans, even though not on his side, would not really rail against him out of respect. The vocal minority won’t perturb him and Kroenke enough to force Wenger’s departure. I think he’s very likely to extend his contract unless something drastic happens. You would think the club would have started looking for a new manager if Wenger was leaving. Instead everyday we have someone from the club coming out and defending Wenger in the media.

  95. Marko

    Yeah they give him a new contract I’ll be taking a step back from them too. Why should I waste my time when they clearly don’t give a fuck about the fans or ambition or competitiveness. It’ll actually be great I think. Won’t have to constantly worry about are we doing enough in the summer transfer window to be prepared for the season (we never are) or worry about the major defeats that are bound to happen every season.

  96. Steveyg87

    “Instead everyday we have someone from the club coming out and defending Wenger in the media.”

    Like clock work

  97. Steveyg87

    Think we might have to wait till the final day of the season to have any clarity with regards to Wenger

  98. WengerEagle

    Great QF ties for the neutral.

    Bayern-Real Madrid should be epic as they are IMO the two strongest sides in Europe, Juventus now are better equipped then they were in 2015 to take down Barcelona who aren’t the same team mainly because of the aging of their two most crucial players in Messi and Iniesta, especially the latter. Messi is still scoring at a rate of a goal a game but he doesn’t carry the same all-round offensive threat as he did two years ago when he was producing magic on a weekly basis. Neymar is now their most dynamic weapon and their most complete player now he’s putting the goals back into his game at long last.

    I fancy Monaco to knock out Dortmund as I think they are a more balanced side and an overall stronger outfit. Dortmund are way too reliant on PEA for goals and that might well be their downfall if his threat is nullified.

    Leicester will be more than happy with drawing Atletico Madrid I reckon, offensively they are the weakest side out of the 7 clubs they could have drawn and the onus will be on Atletico to attack and take the initiative due to the stature of the club and the calibre of their players.

    I still think that they’ll be too good for Leicester over 2 legs but it’s their best shot at squeezing through once again, 2nd leg at home only helps their chances.

  99. Red&White4life

    “There are two certainties in life!
    1) we all will eventually die”

    Probably before wenger, the old fool’s a proof of vampires existence

  100. Red&White4life

    “having supported them for almost 50 years I cannot bear to see them decline any more.”

    Having supported them since less longer than you (“only” since 1995), I cannot bear to see wenger’s ugly face any more.

  101. Park Chu-young's left testicle

    azedMarch 17, 2017 13:41:04
    “Serious question – what does Primorac do at the club?”Arrange Wenger’s blow jobs
    ___________________

    Where’s Welbecchio today?

  102. Dissenter

    Did Boro Primorac really say those things?
    I wouldn’t be surprised if the comments are as fake as the news of his departure.

  103. Alex Cutter

    Nigel and Ian are at the Ox and Scone pub one night, having a few pints, when Nigel suddenly vomits all over his shirt.

    “Bloody ‘ell” he sputters, “what am I going to tell the missus when I get home? I wasn’t supposed to get pissed tonight!”

    Ian calmly instructs Nigel on a way around the problem. “Take a £ 20 note, and put it in the front pocket of your shirt. When you get home, tell your missus that someone at the pub barfed on you by accident, and gave you £ 20 to have it cleaned.”

    Nigel gets home that night, and he’s not in his council house more than 30 seconds when his wife Rose pops out of the loo, points at the vomit stain, and confronts him. “Blimey, what’s all this then??”

    “Luv, I can explain”, Nigel says confidently. “Check my shirt pocket. Someone got sick on me, and gave me £ 20 to clean it,”

    Rose checks Nigel’s pocket, and pulls out two £ 20 notes. “Then why are there two here?”

    “Oh, I forgot. He shit in me trousers as well!”