Wenger says you can’t win it with kids.

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Well good morning BRITAIN.

What a farce you have yourselves in there. I leave for 2minutes, and what happens? No Marmite on the shelves. What a disgrace.

Those Brexit realities kicking in hard.

What does it mean for Arsenal? I’ll tell you what it means. It means teams like the New York Redbulls are going to pick off the superstars of Europe and build a super league. It also means tying Ozil down to a salary that works will be tougher. His £140k a week is looking ligher by the minute as the pound tanks. Even worse when he sees what his pals are earning elsewhere.

Absolute carnage… but hey, at least those borders are safe and we can eradicate some of those pesky European Laws that were the bane of so many people’s everyday lives.

BACK ONTO FU$BALL.

We play Swansea this weekend. I mean, a bogey team and a half by my reckoning. We always have problems with them, regardless of how pony their form is heading into the tie. Bob Bradley USA USA GET IN THE HOLE has been appointed as the first Premier League manager of American heritage. Wenger had this to say.

‘Winning is the best way of dealing with it, just [do it] after playing us! You do not want to create skepticism because of where you’re from. What is important is that you’re qualified for the job you do, no matter where you’re from.’

Funny how American folk have to battle harder to have any sort of say at the table of football. Unfairly tarnished with the ‘soccer’ word and unfairly labeled us lacking knowledge around the game. Watching football over here is great, loads of lunatic fans completely obsessed with the game to the same levels as UK fans. It’s great that Bob B has landed a job here after working some pretty pony roles over the last 30 or so years.

Not great for us though. Really not great for us. That new manager injection of ‘go on, give it a go’ might hit hard at exactly the wrong time.

ABSOLUTE BANTER FROM WENGER when he spoke with a few of the exlegends about great teams.

‘You NEVER win the world cup with a young team’

You’ve gotta love that. All those years of convincing us that the future was in youth… all lies. Who could of guessed it?

Still, good news now is that we have a very nice blend of young and old. We have Hector and Iwobi ripping it up. We have a nice mix of mid-age players in Rambo, Xhaka and Elneney… then we have the older heads in Santi, Per and Kos. I mean seriously, if Wenger can’t mount a decent challenge this year, I don’t know when he’ll be able to.

I’m excited to see how Arsenal tackle this relatively easy run of games. This is all about the build into our hellish December schedule. What I don’t want to see is Santi in every single game. I’d like to see some respite for Ozil. Maybe a bit of Rob Holding and Gabriel so they get some game time into their legs and some psychological love. It’s important to make sure the squad feels like they’re part of the success… give them some time so when we’re ready to call on them, they can make a difference. I’d also like to see a bit of Lucas Perez. Sanchez might say he wants to play every game, but guess what, his body won’t agree with him. Absolutely key our whole squad isn’t exhausted by January… because we might be in the mix and we need to be able to go full steam ahead.

Wenger is a magician at the 75% ‘this is good’ model. He’s yet to work out how he can push his squads the full 100%. Let’s hope his backroom team are pushing him hard to break a habit of 10 years.

I’m positive about it… I’ve seen this story before… but hey, if you can’t enjoy the good times while they’re happening, pack it up and go home.

AM I RIGHT?

Yeah I’m right.

444 Responses to “Wenger says you can’t win it with kids.”

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  1. tom

    There are kooks at the extreme fringes of any movement.

    You only have to look at Untold and Le Grove to see that.

    Feminists are no different, but they still have a cause and there is plenty left to do.

    I’m proud to stand with them.

  2. Jim Lahey

    “Feminists are no different, but they still have a cause and there is plenty left to do.I’m proud to stand with them.”

    What do they have left to do Tom?

  3. Jim Lahey

    @Pedro – Once there is a conviction they can plaster a persons name everywhere for all I care. Guilty of r.ape?, may that person rot in hell. But until that time, both parties should be anonymous.

  4. Sam

    Beliek will make it at Arsenal as Midfielder but he should be patient and shouldn’t be loaned
    He’s being used as CB possibly to improve his defending

  5. tom

    Jim

    That Guardian link is broken.

    Also false to say stats include Prison R.ape as there are no official numbers and never have been – which is scandle in itself.

    Anyhow I maintain its nonsense and a broken link won’t change my mind.

  6. STV

    Sexism do exist and some places it’s a norm. But I think the feminist movement has lost its meaning little and often used as a tool. Like Tom said some are working for a great cause.

  7. Pedro

    > Equal pay
    > Equal opportunity
    > Media stereotyping
    > Violence (reporting of / prosecuting)

    So much to do. Nonchalance among men to the fact there are issues is also a major problem.

  8. Pedro

    STV, absolute bollocks… feminism has never been so powerful. The next generation coming through are going to make massive social strides.

    About time too.

  9. Pedro

    Tom, not often I agree with you on the Arsenal, but you are bang on the money here.

    It’s always disappointing to read how backward a lot of folk are, particularly in the macho world of football.

  10. tom

    A cursory examination of the US Presidential election where the most qualified candidate in history is paired against an Orangutan shows that women still have a legitimate cause….

  11. Pedro

    A look at how the some sections of the media are treating the women who came forward to legitimize Donald’s own claims he grabs pussy without permission tells you a lot for sure.

  12. Jim Lahey

    @Pedro –

    “> Equal pay” Women are paid equal, its a crime otherwise (an actual crime, not a moral one). The “Wage gap” is nonsense.

    “> Equal opportunity” What opportunities do I have that women do not?

    “> Media stereotyping” … This is a huge problem?? Really?!

    “> Violence (reporting of / prosecuting)” This is something that will always occur as we are inherently a violent species. Also Women are more than capable of being violent towards men.

  13. Jim Lahey

    @Tom –

    “the most qualified candidate in history is paired against an Orangutan shows that women still have a legitimate cause”

    You mean someone who would have been hanged for treason a hundred years ago. The US elections are a sham. Both are equally terrible.

  14. Rhys Jaggar

    Jim Lacey

    Not all women who have been abused, assaulted, ra.ped etc want a trial. They just want some kind of life. I’ve talked to differing degrees with 4 women who suffered one way or the other and what all four wanted more than anything was freedom from guilt, shame, self-hatred and in some cases erasing a resultant warped response which limited sexual arousal to dangerous/violent scenarios (even though that was only in fantasy, not in real life).

    It is very difficult for such women to get appropriate support in the system, because it may involve care workers being legally obliged to report things the women don’t want reported. They want emotional support, a safe environment to bring out their pain, suffering, hatred, despair and helplessness. Before being supported to come out the other side and have a real relationship with a decent guy.

    It is one of the biggest dilemmas in life: do you betray a woman’s wishes, not knowing if the man/men concerned are a danger to other women or not, maybe destroying her capacity for human trust forever, on the back of her knowledge of those men, if you betray her wishes? Or do you rescue the one you know, not knowing what else might happen?

    Justice and futures for the women concerned is a very, very thorny subject. I don’t think there is a right answer.

    But I can tell you that developing trust with victims requires you to promise absolute discretion…..and moral judgements not everyone would wish to grapple with….

  15. tom

    Jim,

    I read that Guardian article but suspect you didn’t.

    In the end it doesn’t say what its headline promises.

    Never the less sexual assault in Prison is horrific and shockingly prevalent.

    As for Clinton and Trump being equally terrible, I think you are crazy…..

  16. Wallace

    Jim

    “Both are equally terrible.”

    my god, Jim, you’re giving Joe a run for his money here. Hillary’s got her faults, no doubt, but Trump’s a f*ckin’ lunatic.

  17. Jim Lahey

    @Pedro – “Fucking hell Jim, showing your ignorance if you think women have all those issues sorted.”

    Calm down Perdo, how about you tell me how there is a wage gap? Or tell me the opportunities that I have that women simply do not? You made these remarks please elaborate on them!

    “Women are more than capable of being violent against men… what a moment in the Le Grove comments section”

    I mean, violence against men in a relationship is a thing Pedro, going to deny it? I’m not saying its become a pandemic! I’m saying it occurs!

  18. Pedro

    Rhys, I’m sure that’s the case with some women, and that’s up to them.

    They system is woefully bad for those that do want to press charges. They’re humiliated, treated as liars and the prosecution rate is unbelievably low.

    Before we even get to an assault, men should be taught the rights and wrongs growing up… the assault culture they have in universities is unbelievable.

  19. Pedro

    Jim, come on.

    Google each one of those issues.

    Pay for starters:

    ‘Women earn 18% less than men on average, according to new research that highlights the challenge facing Theresa May in closing Britain’s stubbornly wide gender pay gap.

    The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) also found that the gap balloons after women have children, raising the prospect that mothers are missing out on pay rises and promotions. That is echoed by a separate report on Tuesday suggesting that male managers are 40% more likely than female managers to be promoted.’

    Your comment was so off the mark, I wouldn’t even know where to begin.

  20. Pedro

    Underrated Coq, I’m not even sure what you want me to do with that comment.

    Like, ok, sure… so because some abuse it, we should nullify its importance?

  21. tom

    I think there’s more than hint of sexism in Trump’s campaign against Clinton.

    Funny it’s going to backfire as women get to the polls.

  22. WengerEagle

    Trump is a deplorable human being and it will be a disaster if he is sworn in come November.

    But let’s not pretend that Hillary isn’t a despicable woman herself, it is nothing short of unbelievable that she isn’t sitting behind bars.

  23. Mr B

    Chill Winstaaan! Why can’t we be more like these guys and enjoy the good times. I 8-2 tell you but its been much worse than it is now, even recently. Since then we have been slowly improving, we sorted the defense out first and boulders has helped there.

    Had we had Mertchielny in 08, we might have won the league. Mert has his limitations but his strengths are suited to the PL. 9/10 he nullifies opposing teams areal threat and games like stoke still suit him.

    Our WC offense went to pieces when nasri, cesc, rvp left. Those guys at thier best, performed better than our current squad. Granted sanchez is miles better than nasri and similarly ozil is a far superior and more current model of a fulcrum than cesc.

    I see mesuts performances for Germany and they play through him more than us and he has near zero defensive liability for das manchafft, with kroos and khiedera sitting behind him.

    https://youtu.be/wtGbaLpMMVI

  24. Pedro

    WE, not if you’ve paid attention to the media for more than 30mins in the last 2 years.

    I find it amazing that you’re even challenging it… or odd why you’d want to challenge it? Unless you have supporting evidence that I’m making it up?

  25. Jim Lahey

    @Pedro –

    “Your comment was so off the mark, I wouldn’t even know where to begin.”\

    How about we begin with the truth that men do earn more than women. Oooooh what did I just say?! Its true we do!

    We do for a number of reasons, the careers men choose, there are more men in STEM classes in Uni, these lead to a better degree with a higher paying job! Men work more hours than women, so tend to get bonus pay where bonus pay is applicable. Men don’t take maternity leave, therefore have a greater earning power.

    Where is the sexism in any of that?

  26. Pedro

    There we go Jim… 2mins ago you said the wage gap was nonsense… now you’ve said it’s totally fair based on zero evidence… bar, a bunch of anecdotal nonsense.

    You could have just said, look guys, I’m sexist. Don’t come to me with feminism, because I’m not interested.

    Then we could have moved on.

  27. Jim Lahey

    One thing I always found amusing is that the most vocal feminists on campus were always the ones who were studying Gender Studies. They themselves created their own glass ceiling and “wage gap” from taking such a nonsense course.

    It was never the Engineers, Physicists, Computer Scientists or Doctors.

  28. WengerEagle

    Pedro

    Are you taking about those fraternity colleges in the US specifically? If so I’m not disputing that.

    I thought that you were saying that the majority of colleges period have an abuse culture.

  29. vicky

    Wrote a long post in reply to Tom on Hillary and Trump but it didn’t show up……argh !!! Both are unfit for the top job imo and equally horrible. Clinton has got media eating out of her hands and has effectively used it to stifle any debate concerning her. It’s a rigged system out there.

  30. Jim Lahey

    @Pedro

    “You could have just said, look guys, I’m sexist. Don’t come to me with feminism, because I’m not interested.”

    You could have just said, look guys I don’t have the cognitive capacity to engage in an actual debate. Don’t come at me with any words greater than two syllables.

    Gender earnings gap, not a gender wage gap.

  31. STV

    Pedro

    I didn’t say it’s not widespread or the movement is not stronger. The anti sexism movement has gone in to women centered Feminism that has sometimes being used as tool to deliberately humiliate citizen, or character assassination.

    Beauty and lifestyle has long been been attached to women and sometimes the feminist ideas are exploitated for marketing and making false ideas about women’s sexuality.

    Despite the prominence the issue of discrimination and is still widespread. We need an equal socity for which the participation of both sexes is absolute requirement. We need more women at the power. We need the women sports running not based marketing and promotion. We need more women scientists ( really there were so many greats but silent sexism has always been there in science).

    I support any movement which is more based on equality and upliftment and less based on vexed interests.

    As you say, about time.

  32. Redtruth

    STV
    “Pedro youre right. We can be happy with the wins as they come. Expect nothing so that you can be pleasently surprised. Good theory.”

    Is this what supporting Arsenal has come too…
    Wenger is laughing how easy fans are manipulated and deceived…

  33. Sancho Monzorla

    Vicky

    Certainly the narrative regarding this presidential election has revolved around Trump, but I can’t agree that is the result of Clinton manipulating the media. I don’t deny that the Democrats are using the narrative to their advantage, but rightly so, who wouldn’t? The GOP should have known Trump would turn this into a side-show.

    I can’t see how the opponent can be faulted for Trump’s own history, personality, and traits having turned this into a farce. The fact that they have such a ridiculous candidate has distracted the entire media and voters from considering the actual issues, to say that it’s a result of Clinton’s political campaign is nonsense.

  34. STV

    “Are Clinton and Trump running for soon to be vacant Arsenal job?”

    .. both wouldn’t be any better than Arsene Wenger I’m afraid..

  35. Jim Lahey

    Trump Vs Clinton …

    It will be Clinton in the end and rightfully so, how Trump has gotten so far is beyond mind boggling!

    However I think Clinton is a complete piece of shit too, a third candidate would sure be nice.

  36. underrated Coq

    ‘Like, ok, sure… so because some abuse it, we should nullify its importance?’

    Pedro, the problem with social movements like these is there’s no stop or atleast reduction of it when we near equal footing. Surely that’s the logical thing to do?

    What happens instead is there’s no stop to it, more and more people keep jumping on the bandwagon which gives scope for increasing number of people to misuse the power. So the original victims start becoming the abusers and vice versa-which wasn’t the point of the social movement? Takes us back to square one basically.

    I see it happening in my own country. Certain caste of people were oppressed decades ago so system of reservation was started-the people belonging to those caste are reserved seats in educational institutions, Govt offices etc. Now there’s little to no oppression but the percentage of reservation keeps increasing rather than going the other way. As a result you have people not belonging to these quotas being cheated out of opportunities, even though they may be more meritorious and deserving.

    Dowry practice was another that prevailed decades ago. To combat it, more rigorous punishment to the offenders was introduced. Now all a woman needs to do is accuse her husband or anyone else from his family of torturing for dowry and they are immediately thrown in jail, non-bailable warrant.

    You see more and more women misuse this, marry into rich families and then give a fake complaint to extortionate money or a divorce with handsome alimony from her husband.

  37. vicky

    Sancho

    Wikileaks is releasing secret Hillary e-mails almost everyday the content of which severely indict her but I don’t see mainstream US media such as CNN, NYTimes etc going deep in to them. All those accusations are laughed off on the pretext that Russia is behind them, so what ? More than the source of those emails, the content matters more. Been following this presidential race for more than 8 months now and I see mainstream media singing from Hillary hymn sheet even before Trump started getting embroiled in controversies. To suggest the media is not toeing her line or isn’t partial is not correct at all.

  38. vicky

    That said Trump is absolutely horrible. If he became the US President by accident (unlikely), he would make the entire world his enemy. He has got issues with almost everyone. Also hasn’t got a clue about most policy matters.

  39. Sancho Monzorla

    Vicky

    CNN and the Times are more liberal publications. Fox News blatantly drums the email issue, it was Benghazi before. Of course new outlets have their biases as well.

    It may be a boring answer but I suspect that the average American is far more interested in hearing about Trump’s scandals than they are in reading through thousands of emails about issues they really have no knowledge on.

    That’s America, dude. Ratings is money, after all.

  40. jwl

    Blowhards and jerks are male, at least in my eye’s mind, and any woman who classifies herself as a feminist is putting herself in same category as those unpleasant males.

    Trump and Bill Clinton are same person, rich people who think rules don’t apply to them and can do whatever hell they want. Hillary Clinton has enabled her predator husband so she can have status, money and power. Trump, Clinton and most of political class are loathsome people.

    One of my aunt’s still talks about how she had to tell her eleven year old daughter what a blow job was because of Bill Clinton.

    If you American, vote for third party, write in a name or spoil your ballot. Clintons and Trump are absolutely awful people.

  41. Mr B

    Jim

    I agree that some feminists want to have thier cake and eat it too. They want equality in some cases but are now campaigning for equity, I.e. men should compensate women for maternity leave etc.

    That being said, it can’t be argued that most men see women as little more than pieces of meat. A simple example of this is men rating women out of 10, based on looks. If some fat chick told the same guys what she thought of thier appearance, they might be offended to say the least.

    So why is this even a problem? Well for one it undervalues women’s contribution to society, which is immense and at the very least on par with men. Hence the call from them to be given the same basic respect.

    If there were clowns raping other clowns there would be more uproar than about the human slavery that exists to this day, of which females makeup atleast 2/3.

    This is not about middle ground, sexual assault is not something that should be tolerated much less encouraged to the extent it is today.

    By the way how many would agree with the statement that Miley is a slut but tiger woods was a baller.

  42. Jim Lahey

    @Vicky & Sancho

    There is no such thing as journalistic integrity anymore. Everyone is plugging their own agenda.

    It seems like, in the states at least, that if you are a news outlet you need to pick one side or the other to maintain a viewership. I’m guessing if you call both candidates rubbish both halves of the country will not want to tune in!

  43. tom

    Vicky and WE et al.

    The Clinton leaks are totally unremarkable.

    Nothing surprising or important.

    Also leaked in deliberate act to destabilize election.

    All this talk of Hilary’s criminality is horse shit.

    All investigated and nothing much sticks.

    Trump is the architect of his own downfall and that’s as it should be, but his supporters need to take a hard look at themselves.

  44. Jim Lahey

    @Mr B.

    I agree with a lot of what you said, especially about slavery which is still heavliy prevalent today and people are more than happy to turn their backs to it, look at Qatar today, slave labour is building those stadiums the world cup is going to be held in, and no one cares! Hundreds will die during the building process.

    People are all about equality all about Feminism when its safe to do so. Woman are murdered and carved up in the Middle East everyday, and no one whats to mention it. Child brides are now perfectly okay in Denmark and no one wants to question it.

    Women around the world need help.

  45. vicky

    Tom

    “The Clinton leaks are totally unremarkable”

    Yes, taking $25M as donations from Saudi Arabia for her foundation despite knowing they covertly (rather overtly ) supported ISIS has got to have no bearing on the fight against terrorism when she becomes the US President. You’re right…totally unremarkable.

  46. tom

    There may well be a political bias in parts.of main stream media but for the most part, with the exception of Fox, there is an effort to cover elections in a fair way.

    The fact the Trump’s run has received so much coverage is down to his actions.

    The Clinton leaks have got plenty of attention and are definitely a drag on her campaign.

    In the end the fight is the news and the ratings the prize which overrides any bias.

    One thing to consider when talking about media tradition to lean left is that these are educated professionals that investigate for a living.

  47. WengerEagle

    ‘it can’t be argued that most men see women as little more than pieces of meat. A simple example of this is men rating women out of 10, based on looks. If some fat chick told the same guys what she thought of thier appearance, they might be offended to say the least.’

    It’s biology, nothing will ever change men being more attracted to and giving more attention to better looking women no matter how many cankle-parading pitchfork wielding feminazi fatsos would like to pretend otherwise. And let’s not be disingenuous and pretend that most women don’t hold men to the same standards re looks?

    You have a problem when they are telling kids that it’s ok and even sexy to be fat when most adults know this not to be the case in adolescence and in later adult life due to the social disadvantages it brings and more importantly the health implications associated with obesity.

  48. tom

    OK, its clear who’s been watching too much Hannity.

    Hilary is a murderer who supports ISis and laughs at r.ape victims.

    Can’t believe you buy that.

  49. tom

    It’s biology, nothing will ever change men being more attracted to and giving more attention to better looking women no matter how many cankle-parading pitchfork wielding feminazi fatsos would like to pretend otherwise. And let’s not be disingenuous and pretend that most women don’t hold men to the same standards re looks?You have a problem when they are telling kids that it’s ok and even sexy to be fat when most adults know this not to be the case in adolescence and in later adult life due to the social disadvantages it brings and more importantly the health implications associated with obesity.

    This part.

  50. WengerEagle

    tom

    What part of it is untrue?

    Attraction is the most powerful factor in choosing a SO for both men and women, anybody that disputes that is lying. If you’re not attracted to somebody then you’re never going to have a healthy lasting relationship.

    Childhood obesity is no joke either, rapidly on the rise in the Western world. It’s not good to be fat and it’s one of the few things physically that is fully in a person’s power to control and change.

  51. tom

    Re AFC.

    I think we’ll batter Swans tomorrow.

    Of course I said the same about Burnley.

    Still happy for that result however we get it.

  52. Mr B

    The point WE is not that appearance should be important in choosing a mate. It doesn’t mean it should be the ‘only’ thing that you value about 50% of the human population.

    Men reward women for showing skin and demand it as a means of gaining male approval but at the sametime slut shame women constantly. Much of which is esp. Horrific considering that they more likely to be victims from a sociological system that protects perpetrators.

  53. tom

    I don’t condone childhood obesity and am all for healthy choices.

    But there are choices one has to make about self esteem too.

    Much harder in a society that places too much importance on a codified definition of attractiveness.
    Especially a false one.

    As for attraction based on looks , sure it plays a part but its immature and shallow to put too much emphasize over character.

    I think we need to teach kids to see beauty beyond the narrow conventions of this male- driven culture too.

    WE,

    Your outlook seems neantherthal to me and I’m twenty odd years older…..

  54. Mr B

    P.S. what I meant was appearance is important but shouldn’t be over emphasized because it in many sociological ways ends up facilitating and normalizing abuse.

  55. underrated Coq

    I think WE was spot on. Beyond ridiculous to bring feminism into what humans find attractive. Whether you are a fat guy or an unattractive guy or the opposite, Emilia Clarke will entice you more than a Gwendoline Christie. And whether you are a fat girl or an unattractive girl or the opposite, Kit Harrington will be the subject of your dreamy gaze over Alfie Allen.

  56. Pedro

    Vicky, I find the whole Hillary stuff interesting… what Donald T is forgiven for, and what Hillary is lambasted says a lot about America.

    Not that I’m a massive Hillary fan, but jeez, at least you know she’ll keep the US on the right path and she won’t fuck up Americas place at the top of the foodchain.

  57. Redtruth

    Pedro October 24 2007 10:52:00
    “Bertie! My gosh, I feel a fool!Agreed then, the man looked good. Lack of depth eh? Not by what I can see!Think about this. We have 4 potentially world class strikers.
    Ade is hard to leave out. Eduardo is going to be great. RVP is our best striker and Theo looks raw, but exciting. Bendtner Big Bollocks still has the jury out, but he ain’t half bad.
    I think I love Arsene, in ways no man should”.

    So you was doing the job of exposing Wenger when

  58. Redtruth

    Pedro October 24 2007 10:52:00
    “Bertie! My gosh, I feel a fool!
    Agreed then, the man looked good. Lack of depth eh? Not by what I can see!Think about this. We have 4 potentially world class strikers.
    Ade is hard to leave out. Eduardo is going to be great. RVP is our best striker and Theo looks raw, but exciting. Bendtner Big Bollocks still has the jury out, but he ain’t half bad.
    I think I love Arsene, in ways no man should”.

    So you was doing the job of exposing Wenger when i was shutting down fellow gooners with ‘Arsene Knows’….lol lol lol

  59. Pedro

    Redtruth… think 1) you’re struggling with tone of voice there 2) Adebayor in his prime was a fucking monster 3) Robin Van Persie was one of the best in the world 4) Eduardo was a sharp as fuck finisher

    … and the comment about Wenger is a joke.

    You have to accept this… you’ve been moaning on here since 2013. I’ve been writing this since 2007. You are a mere junior when it comes to holding Wenger accountable. I enabled you to become the moaner you are today.

    Be thankful.

  60. WengerEagle

    Mr B

    I do agree with you on the double standards re casual sex not being fair, you’re on the money there.

    I don’t believe it to be the only important factor of course but I’d be willing to bet that if you asked most men/women what is the most important factor in choosing a partner that attraction comes out on top ahead of personality even if it’s not by a landslide.

    It’s all about relativity too, I’m not saying that all men want is a 9/10 model GF and that she can have no depth to her for all they care, I’m just saying that looks are considered very important by both Men and women and to say that they are not is false.

    ‘what I meant was appearance is important but shouldn’t be over emphasized because it in many sociological ways ends up facilitating and normalizing abuse.’

    You’re going to have to elaborate on this.

  61. Sam

    Sorry i was wrong,

    Krystian Bielik recovered from his injury n played tonight with the under 23
    Well our under 23 are really under19, Zelalem the oldest player coz Jenko only played for match fitness.
    According to Jeorge Bird, Zelalem has improved defensively

  62. Mr B

    Lol red you better be getting paid because thats some professional level trolling.

    WE as concerned mateing attraction is fine but do we really need to put appearance above everything.

    As concerned women’s preferences, I believe that pchycologist have discovered that they are hardwired to seek security and future prospects as a number 1 priority.

    I wonder why they are so concerned with security sometimes. Hmm what its not like they have anything to feel threatened about.

  63. underrated Coq

    Mustafi giving his view on the popular ‘similar CBs won’t form a good partnership’ theory-

    “We are quite similar in the style of playing, he understands things that I do, I understand things that he does.

    If you play with someone who understands football in a different way, it’s even more difficult to get on with.

    But if you have someone next to you that sees football the same way you see football and that you think football, I think it’s easier to play with.”

  64. Sam

    Jenkinson started rusty but improved during the game
    got caught out of position few times in the half

    welcome home Seargent Jenko

  65. WengerEagle

    tom

    ‘But there are choices one has to make about self esteem too.’

    What do you mean by this?

    You can point to how the media portray women and I could point out how they portray Men, check out any American film/UK Film or Ad be it for Aftershave or Shaving or whatever or have a peak at the lads on the cover of Men’s Health.

    It’s definitely not one-sided so don’t pretend that it is, women are just as bad as men for ogling and fantasising about these super-good looking dudes in the media.

    Do you think that girls on a nightclub dance floor or standing beside the bar give a shit about getting to know ‘the real you’? No mate, it’s a cattle market, they’ll just move on to the next dude if they don’t fancy you.

    ‘Much harder in a society that places too much importance on a codified definition of attractiveness.
    Especially a false one.’

    What’s false about it? It is what it is, I wish I looked like Leo Di Caprio but I don’t, you’ve just got to work with what you have and if you’re still not happy, hit the gym and get healthier.

    ‘I think we need to teach kids to see beauty beyond the narrow conventions of this male- driven culture too.’

    So you’re going to teach kids/presumably adolescents here not to get a dry mouth/increased heartbeat and sweaty palms when the fit girl or boy talks to them in school?

  66. Sam

    The seniors should do better tomorrow

    2-0 against Swansea cunts
    they took advantage of our sh!tness last season
    now its payback time

  67. vicky

    Pedro

    The only reason Hillary looks half decent at the moment to many people is presence of Trump on the other side. The guy has lowered the level of discourse to a new low.

    I expect situation in Syria to be even more grim when Hillary takes over, I also expect a breakdown in America’s relationship with Russia which will create instability in the world. Besides, she will continue to have a dilly-dally approach towards terrorism. As far as USA is concerned, I think it will be status quo, she will more or less follow the footprints of Obama whose 8 years have been just about average if not poor. But I hope my predictions go wrong for the world can’t afford another 4 years of turbulence and indecisiveness.

  68. Sam

    Latest tech news

    Ubuntu just released its version 16.10 and they named it Yakketi Yak (no joke)
    They also released a config mgmt named Juju 2.0

  69. tom

    My remark about self esteem was to do with the billions who can’t conform to your ideals

    Little kids asking for new noses and tits for Christmas.

    No way do men have the same pressure to conform even though they set the agenda .

    Men can exercise power and wealth in place of looks and women, being generally reasonable creatures, will consider personality too.

  70. underrated Coq

    tom

    ‘I think we need to teach kids to see beauty beyond the narrow conventions of this male- driven culture too.’

    They are called kids for a reason, you know. You think a person will have the same outlook on life at ages 10 and 20? What you are asking for is for kids to mature into adults without going through teenage phase.

  71. Pedro

    UC, kids are way more culturally attuned these days… and far more progressive.

    Fluid sexuality… androgynous fashion… not boxing each other

    The teenage phase doesn’t have to be the acting like a cunt to other people phase.

  72. Pedro

    Vicky, Obama hasn’t been average or poor… and fuck me, you want to go with a president who admires Putin and dictators in general?

    Madness.

  73. tom

    Not really.

    Just advocating we broaden our range of beauty to include more and hope that kids notice.

    Going against convention not nature, which is more tolerant.

  74. underrated Coq

    tom, can you really teach those things theoretically to kids? I just believe its through practice and application we learn most.

    Kids are shallow, get burned for it, learn from the experience and mature into making better decisions as they get older.

  75. vicky

    Pedro

    I have already said Trump is absolutely horrible. He is not even an option now. I am merely suggesting what could be the pitfalls of Hillary’s presidency. And you may think Putin is a demon but it’s a fact that US needs to work with Russia to solve the crisis in Syria, there’s no other way out. Hillary’s disdain for Putin will aggravate the situation in middle east.

  76. Mr B

    Positive Socialization is essential for young ones. Even animals play some sort of active role in thier offsprings introduction to the world.

  77. tom

    uC,

    My experience is kids in their natural state harbor less prejudice toward ‘otherness’.

    Preferences and biases are learned and reflections of their experience.

    Ever met a racist baby?

  78. Nigel Tufnel

    Pedro,
    We agree. I can’t believe people in the U.S. dont see just how dangerous the situation in Syria is.

    U.S. and Russia both waging war in the same place, and at a low point in relations ….It’s a powder keg. One spark, or mistake and it’s gonna be scary.

  79. underrated Coq

    tom,

    But preferences and biases are also shape our personalities. And are you sure the world would really be a better place if we all had minds like babies? No progress without conflict

  80. Nigel Tufnel

    But Pedro,
    If we can admit Bushs huge role in fking up the mid east, why cant you accept the obviously terrible job Obama has done there. Iraq was stable when Obama arrived, he didnt leave any American securit y force to protect the fragile government there.. thats the vacuum he left.

    He and Hillary openly supported the muslim brotherhood in egypt and elsewhere ., are you aware of that situation?
    You know British govt categorize muslim brotherhd a terror organization?

    Qadaffi was nasty, but 100 times better than Isis, and we helped bring him down.

    You know about Isis and resurgent al qaeda. Do you want to see a list of 80 more islamist terror groups that youve never heard of, but are killing in the name of religion every day.

    But Obama’s been above average, ok Pedro.

  81. Pedro

    Nigel, you guys trying to police the world is half the issue here.

    The Bush admin set the timetable for departure, not Obama.

    Isis is massively on the decline… Al Qaeda are not resurgent, they’re struggling for relevancy.

    Obama has been a great President.

    Think you’ve been reading way too much Breitbart.

  82. Mr B

    The worst thing about trump is that he is in billions of debt to the banking mafia, who are the ones with the biggest vested interest in the next world war.

    The banking system as a whole is facing collapse because of the stars alinging for a historical shock to their supremacy. Infact US foreign policy has done the trick, with the so called axis of evil continues to grow. Russia and China recent notable additions.

  83. Mr B

    By the way the US can forget about a geographic advantage this time. The Russians that are living in -30 temps would willingly spend years fighting a war from under bunkers. Which is exactly what the next war is gonna have to be like.

    12 monkeys style.

  84. China

    Clinton is an absolute scumbag. Corrupt to the core and should be behind bars. She has a tonne of shit stances on policy and has blood on her hands for failing to do her job probably at the expense of people’s lives in Benghazi.

    Trump is an even worse character but who I hope doesn’t have blood on his hands

    Hillary’s policies suck but are less batshit and racist than trump so she is the lesser of two evils politically but fuck me is that saying something

    Choosing between these two is like choosing between drinking a litre of liquidized cat shit (Hillary) or two liters of liquidized cat shit (trump).

    Id take the single litre with Hillary if I absolutely must be fuck me how has it come to this

  85. China

    I’ve been seriously let down by Obama. He ran on hope and change and tried very little to deliver on anything other than a continuation of bush policies besides a few notable examples.

    Despite this I find myself wishing Obama could have another 4 years if it would keep the current pair of absolute parasites out of the office

  86. China

    I always say it but the singular positive from the result of this election is that one of these two cunts will have lost. That’s a nice consolation at least