PSG 1-1 Arsenal. By the skin of our teeth

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Morning all, Alex here with a post after a WTAF night in Paris.

Arsenal’s performance last night was reminiscent of a scene from the movie Spinal Tap. Down on their luck and missing one of their frontmen, their new manager (the pushy wife of the other frontman) secures the once famous rock band a daytime gig at Themeland Amusement Park California, in the slot before the puppet show. Realising they can’t perform their repertoire without both frontmen, the bassist pushes for them to perform a free-form jazz odyssey set. Not all the band are keen. As one remarks this type of performance is “just a series of mistakes without the ‘oops'”.

For 70 minutes last night Arsenal were an unwatchable jazz odyssey, only saved by a 20 minute reprieve where the band broke out the classics and reminded people they knew how to rock.

I got coated off quite badly last time I was on here for suggesting Coquelin is not a good footballer and his continued selection over the far superior Xhaka and Elneny is hurting the team.

And perhaps I was a little unfair on France’s answer to Scott Parker. It’s not entirely his fault, he’s just the sum total of Arsene Wenger’s continuing failure to build either attacking or defensive structure into his most complete team in a decade.

It’s been retweeted to death, but the article Pete shared yesterday exploring the issue really is worth a read. It makes the point that Arsene’s commitment to giving players freedom on the pitch is a hindrance when so many other team’s are profiting from prioritising structure and position. The difference between flying a Boeing 747 with the latest flight control system, and flying it on instinct.

Still you have to admire Arsene’s commitment to playing “free-form jazz exploration in front of a festival crowd”. Despite what the experts, the data and the results say, he’s going to do it his way.

This was borne out by his team selection where, inexplicably Coquelin was preferred again over our £34m summer signing and Alexis was started through the middle, where he has had zero impact thus far. Many, including myself, were critical of the decision to start Ospina over our number one Cech (nb Goalkeepers don’t need to be rested three weeks into the season). However the Columbian put in a man of the match performance. Nevertheless, while this may have vindicated his selection in hindsight, Ospina’s struggles in previous Champions League games meant it was a huge gamble by the manager.

I won’t cover the game in detail except to say the first half was dismal. We were destroyed by PSG and if it wasn’t for Cavani channelling his inner Chamakh it could have been 5 or 6. Aurier was superb for them, selling Monreal dreams all night. Note how no tactical changes were made to help Monreal who was clearly struggling.

Opsina, as mentioned, was our man of the match but that’s more a testament to how little cover we gave him. It wasn’t until Wenger brought on Giroud and Xhaka on the UEFA-mandated 70 minute mark that the team started to perform in any meaningful way.

And it was a good reaction. Iwobi who had been one of our better players, Ozil, Sanchez and Cazorla, suddenly found some fluidity. Alexis’s goal followed a great team move – something that has been noticeably lacking this season.

It gives you some hope for the future, because with that XI, our best XI we could be a match for most teams. What depresses me is thinking what the score might have been, had we started with that team. What worries me is that Wenger will revert to his cherished “Coqzorla” midfield, despite its head-bangingly obvious limitations.

Wenger reminded us again before the game that he had turned down an offer from PSG in order to stay at Arsenal, as if that’s something we should be thankful for. I expect he will point to this result and say a point away at the French champions is a good result. Unfortunately, the scoreline does not tell the whole story where, due to his stubborn team selection and tactical limitations, we survived by the skin of our teeth.

Sorry again for all the misery. You can follow me on twitter @aldo_doel for more of it.

Have a good day!

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  1. tunnygriffboy

    Vp

    I agree you can’t havee debates with people who “resort to absolutism when arriving at their views on a complexmatter that requires a deep understanding of how the club is structured and and run ”

    Thing is this is the same for those are still pro Wenger and those are totally anti Wenger.

    Finishing above Tottenham is nice but it’s merely a sideshow to what we should be hoping to achieve.

    I can’t wish us to lose games. Does that mean I lack understanding of how the club is run and what needs to change ? To say it does isn’t right in my book.

    You say you’d rather finish below Tottenham than winning the league this season ? Isn’t that a bit bizarre ? If we won the league then things will have done well and we’d deserve to win it

    I don’t think we’ll win the league and i don’t think that finishing below Tottenham will be the necessary catalyst for change.

    I can’t go the season wanting us to lose games. The season is young and like every season i hope we do well. If we don’t i would expect things to change as the feeling is ripe for that.

  2. Red&White4life

    “Why the fuck your granddad picture above makes me want to puke?”

    MK you have an hilarious sense of humor you prick lol

  3. VP

    Vote leave

    Oh please ….Save me the history lesson about the 80’s and 90’s. Since then, the fans have been lied to and taken for mugs by what can only be described as a disingenuous organization. We’re discussing the Arsenal of 2016, in respect to the fifth that’s built up in its organization over the past ten years, and how this will serve us going forward.

    Support the organization irrespective of personnel and ideology. That’s what you’ve just said right? Well, that’s a very simplistic outlook on things and only leads to a fundamentalist attitude, and the acceptance of the mediocrity that we see here before us today.

  4. tunnygriffboy

    Ishola

    It means what it says. We could have quite easily have buckled and lost that game. It’s happened in the past

    Does it mean we’ve turned the corner ? Not necessarily but it meant we got a point away from home against a very good side that sees the CL as it’s main ambition this season.

    We struggled first half but were better in the second half when we played higher and pressed them a bit more.

  5. Dissenter

    I maintain my stance that Tuesday’s people performance was one of our worst European nights.
    We conceded after 42 seconds and should have been down 7-0 at halftime. Even in the second find half we struggled.

  6. Wenker-wanger

    DO you support a regime if your country is sinking? Of course not!
    Similarly with the useless head of our football club: arse wankger.
    It doesn’t mean you are anti your club or country, quite obviously the reverse.
    He should of resigned post 8-2 and made a dignified exit saying I believe a fresh manager with a different approach should take the club forward.
    He would have been respected and memories of his success would have remained with admiration and affection. Instead many of us hate his selfish arrogant deluded manner and his apparent disdain for the fans that dare question his bizarre and unfathomable decisions.
    Vote wengxit !

  7. Ughelligunner

    Didn’t Man city win Mochengladbach last season in the same group fixtures?

    People over rating Pep, as if anything he touches is gold. He just Separated the chaff from the grain. He sent Bony, Mangala, Hart, Nascri away, i believe since he can make a player better, he shouldn’t be disposing them,

    Remember, Pellegrin also won the league with Man city in his first season scoring over a 100 goals. Pep is worldclass, but cue the over emphasis on things said. Non of his new players are average for crying out loud, and non in the team.

  8. gnarleygeorge9

    Imagine being a Tottenham Hotshit supporter 🙂 I bet a heap of the older spuds have still kept their old black & white televisions so that they are reminded of the good old days 🙂

  9. Ughelligunner

    And non in the present Man city team is average. Everybody knew Toure is finshed as a footballer last season, even Pellegrini dropped him towards the end. At a point, Pellegrini benched Hart. Man city always over played the oposition during Pellegrini’s time. And he won 3 trophys in 3 years. Pep just refined the team that has already been there. It is like sugesting that managers make Chelsea, Madrid and Barca better. When any manager who has the “support” of the players would always fo well

  10. Wenker-wanger

    Leicester provided a great example of how to get an away result. Vardy terrorised them with his pace, they probably weren’t aware of just how rapid he is! I also thought the old defenders. Hugh Morgan etc did a solid job and the keeper was hell-bent bent on a clean sheet.
    They will do well in this comp as unlike prem opposition they wouldn’t have had the time and game experience to really work them out
    Arsenal overall have better players, but it contrasts the performances that’s down to the managers.In short, raneiri punches above his weight and wankger with the heavyweight frame punches like a welterweight, with the gloves on the wrong hands

  11. China

    As long as we hit 70 points and Spurs don’t break 69 then arsene will have greatly earned his shiny new contract

    To quote an untold guy from a year ago ‘I’m smacking my lips with excitement at the prospect of another great season ahead of us’

    Lol. Lol. Lol. Lol.

    Keep on smackin’ bro

  12. Park Chu-young's left testicle

    People over rating Pep, as if anything he touches is gold. He just Separated the chaff from the grain. He sent Bony, Mangala, Hart, Nascri away, i believe since he can make a player better, he shouldn’t be disposing them,
    ______________________

    Just think what he would have done with us… no more Walcott, Oxlade Chamberlain, Chambers, Giroud etc

    If only.

  13. Bamford10

    The club is doing a Q & A with Xhaka on Twitter this morning, where fans can tweet him questions. I’m tempted to tweet:

    Any idea why why you didn’t start against PSG the other night?

  14. China

    I agree we need to avoid going overboard on pep. He’s elite and clearly excellent but I’d love to see him at a club like Arsenal right now to see if he can make an underwhelming squad like our own challenge.

    He’s going to be incredibly successful throughout his career and he’d be a 10000% improvement on arsene, but as ever it would be good to see him manage a team that isn’t automatically competing by default. Arsenal would’ve been the ultimate example – a good team but one that he could’ve used as a platform to demonstrate just how good he really is

    We’ll see how t goes but I expect either peo or Jose to be lifting the PL in May

  15. tunnygriffboy

    Dissenter

    Sorry can’t agree with you

    7 nil down at half time ? ? ? Cavani missed a few fair enough but give credit to our gk as well. He is part of the team and did his job well. Can’t think of any worldies he pulled off though

    As for wo4st night in Europe you must be joking. Off the top of my head recently

    2 nil away at Dortmund now that could have been 4 or 5
    Losing away at Zagreb last season
    Losing at home to Olympiacos last season
    Losing to Monaco at home two seasons ago

    Last night we did a rope a dope on a side exactly like sides to do us and we all go mental. Am I wrong in saying this ?

    The players can’t seem to win. Dominate and get sucker punched thenthere’s meltdown. Ugly performance and hang in then nick a goal then meltdown.

    Psg are a proper side with seriously good players. Most sides find it hard in Paris.

    I’m beginning to dispair. Seems team can’t do anything right 🙂

    Rio Ferdinand who has played many CL games recognised we didn’t play great, recognised Psg are a good side and recognised that irrespective of the performance that was a massive point and that sometimes in the CL it’s the result that counts and that he’d be well happy coming home with that point.

  16. Bamford10

    “Why have you been dropped since being MOTM against Watford?
    #AskXhaka” – @LeeGunner82

    A couple of people beat me to it.

  17. Ughelligunner

    Clubb brugge? Depay scored a hattrick against clubb bruge. They would be in the championship if they were in England.

    Anyway, since we have a shit club and players, cant we just stay away? If something is hit, you throw it away and stay away from it. But they still come to an Arsenal blog, Watch Shit Arsenal matches, Check Shit Arsenal results (even when they know the outcome), isnt it shitter to be following and commenting on a shit team?

  18. RJM

    Same old AKB shit.
    Support Wenger or youre not supporting the team. Yawn……
    We got a good result at PSG so be happy.
    Ignore the incompetent team selection.
    Ignore the incompetent tactics.
    Ignore the fact Cavani should have had 4.

    As for their Pep slating, lol! Im going to enjoy watching him making Wenger look prehistoric!
    We have the seen what the best manager in the world can do in such a short time and there is nothing wrong with admiring that.

    Akbs cant stand it! He is everything they try and delude themselves into believing Wenger is!

  19. Ughelligunner

    Tunny, you would think our goal keeper isnt part of the team. If it were the opposition keeper that kept us from wining, would’nt they say we were poor? Like Swansea. Southampton last season, people didnt credit Arsenal, rather, they said we couldn’t break them and that we were shit.

  20. tunnygriffboy

    Bamf

    The only thing I can surmise and I’m not saying I agree with it is that he’slowly bedding Xhaka in. At the same time he’s staying loyal to Coq and Santi early doors as they’ve done well for us in the past.

    It won’t be long until Xhaka is playing regularly. Wouldn’t be surprised if he starts Saturday .

    He should have started last night and even played with Coquelin if Wenger thought we needed the Coq. His passing is good enough

  21. Bamford10

    Ughe

    If you don’t like the commentary here, read another blog. You haven’t made a good argument yet, so you won’t be changing anyone’s mind.

  22. Red&White4life

    “Lee Dixon says Arsenal defenders “don’t know what they’re doing.”

    Aaahhh, the famous “YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU’RE DOING!!” lol

  23. Bamford10

    Tunny

    You’re probably right, but it was a bad decision. And I agree: Xhaka alongside Coquelin might have been a good midfield base the other night, but no question whatsoever that Xhaka should have started.

  24. Ughelligunner

    Bamford, come and carry me out. Or cry to daddy pedro. Why dont you stick to supporting any team that plays fantastic football every match day huh?

  25. VP

    Tunny griffyboy

    ‘’I agree you can’t havee debates with people who “resort to absolutism when arriving at their views on a complexmatter that requires a deep understanding of how the club is structured and and run ”
    ‘’Thing is this is the same for those are still pro Wenger and those are totally anti Wenger.’’

    I don’t think this a case of whether someone is Anti or Pro Wenger as I agree that there is a stubborn attitude with proponents of both sides of the debate. I personally wanted him gone in 2011 as he is the front man of the circus that we see before us today (putting tactics, man management and etc to one side), and this reason alone, in my opinion represents sufficient cause to have him gone.
    I do not doubt that even after Wenger leaves, a lot of my concerns will still be there. We have turned into an organsition that despises change and am certain that we will struggle with the change management process, for there to be many bleak times for years to come. But like I said he needs to go ASAP for there to be any chance of things changing, and for the stragglers on the board to be exposed for what they are.

    ‘’Finishing above Tottenham is nice but it’s merely a sideshow to what we should be hoping to achieve.’’
    My point is that we need to finish below them in order for the faithful to gain the necessary conviction to protest for change. This is the only thing that out them on tilt.

    ‘’I can’t wish us to lose games. Does that mean I lack understanding of how the club is run and what needs to change ? To say it does isn’t right in my book.’’
    No not necessarily. Listen, you love the club and don’t want to see it endure hardship. This is understanble. If you are prepared to acknowledge that the club is run to purely serve those who own and control then you understand the club well enough. Not everyone’s capable of ‘tough love’.

    ‘’I don’t think we’ll win the league and I don’t think that finishing below Tottenham will be the necessary catalyst for change’’
    The standards have sunk that low, and I think that it may not be the only catalyst, but certainly one of the main ones in my opinion.

    ‘’I can’t go the season wanting us to lose games. The season is young and like every season i hope we do well. If we don’t i would expect things to change as the feeling is ripe for that.’’
    I wrote this season off two years ago, and have seen nothing to change my mind. I think we’ve all been fooled into thinking that Sanchez and Ozil are a good enough combo to enable us to compete, when in actual fact this is not the case. Like I said in my previous post, to be starting a PL game with Walcott, Perez, Ox is unacceptable. Think we’ll get top four and finish above Spurs and the manager will be handed a rolling contract. If by some miracle he does leave, then there’s a good chance that he’ll take up an exec role on the board ( I know that he previously said that once he quits, he will not consider becoming a board member, but that was before his wife left him!).

  26. tunnygriffboy

    Ug

    That’s true. It’s different rules for others and ourselves. We rope a doped them. It’s happened so many times to us and rightly it causes consternation. We do it to someone and it’s meaningless

    We’ve played much better in Europe and lost. We weren’t great at all but the point could be really valuable. We weren’t playing against a pub side.

  27. Bamford10

    Ughe

    Seeing as you are here to defend dipshit, care to explain his decisions (i) not to start Xhaka and (ii) to play Alexis as the CF?

    Would love to hear this.

  28. Ughelligunner

    and comment on their blog, because i ask your ilks to stop talking about a shit team everyday. Isnt it obvious, that repeating the same it everyday and yielding no result is insanity?

  29. Ughelligunner

    Where did the arguement not to start Xhaka come in today? What are you smoking? Your ilk were saying we lost by 7nil even when the result says 1-1 and they are angry. Nobody is arguing about who started and what not. It even wouldnt make any difference to your ilks though.

  30. tunnygriffboy

    Vp

    Agree with much of what you say. But as I say I like us to win.

    There are many many things wrong with the club as you have intimated.

    However the base for us to take off is there. It depends on who and what is done post Wenger

    Imo we have to have a good season if Wenger is to stay. Atm we’ve played one good half of football this season ( interestingly Xhaka, Ozil and Alexis were all onthe field). The side has ppotential to play at a much higher level.

  31. Ughelligunner

    Chelsea, Porto defended their way to champions league wins. They are great and the tactics is wonderful.

    Athletico Madrid constantly luck out howbeit playing defensively agaisnt top teams, and balls upon balls are saved by keeper, not counting the ones hitting the woodwork and last minute clearance. Oh what a great man Simeone is. What great tactics.

    We edge out a win while playing a high line because our CBs could run and while we were hit by counters due to our search for a goal, our might Ospina saved us, yet we shouldnt celbrate because we were playing against Burnley. Is that it?

  32. Ughelligunner

    look, this oppinionated differences that supports other teams, but when it comes to us is rubbished is insane.

    What’s the difference between this game played and the one against Bayern at home? We won 2-0 but couldnt string 200 passes together. We played and match them in passes, it isnt like we defended and counted, they resulted to defending and counter us, yet we shouldnt glory in our 1 point won on the road, becaue you and the lunatic you claim to hate are insane guys repeating the same thing over and over again.

  33. tunnygriffboy

    One thought. Noticed a lot of people digging Mustafi out. In reality he’s probably only had 2 training sessions with the defence/team.

    I think he’ll be ok once he settles and gets used to things. It’s very early days for understanding to be developed. Whereas Per and Kos play differently Mustafi and Kos are similar. They need to work an understanding out.

    What he does give us is pace and another player who passes well. Put Xhaka in there as well ( please) and we have different options to play out from the back.

  34. peanuts&monkeys

    “For 70 minutes last night Arsenal were an unwatchable jazz odyssey, only saved by a 20 minute reprieve where the band broke out the classics and reminded people they knew how to rock.”

    Superb! you surely rocked here, Alex!

  35. tunnygriffboy

    Rambo

    Bizarre isn’t it. Think of the real stinkers we’ve had in the CL over the last few years. Also our keeper is allowed to make good saves. He didn’t have to make toomany saves from shots but his work getting out to smother and block one v ones were excellent.

    2nd half we played higher to press more to try and get goal back. Cavani made eexcellent runs in behind but Ospina was sharp and aware of it. Think Mustafi and Kos need a bit more time on the training field together to develop understanding. I reckon they’ve probably only two sessions together.

    Wasn’t a great performance but as Rio said an excellent point

    Psg are no pub side either. In last 40 European games they’ve lost one at home. Won 25 Drawn 14

  36. peanuts&monkeys

    To all AKbs: its a shame that Arsenal fans here are not being able to completely shut you out, coz thats what you deserve.

    But i feel sad for you guys (AKBs), not one single Arsenal fans here is pretending here about how gravely they despise Wenger and anything Wengerised, incl the team, the club, the board, the owner, the money, the CEO and of course you AKBs.

  37. jasongms

    Do you AKB’s know that this is an Arsenal blog and not an Arsene blog? It must be torture for you.
    My advice would be to google Arsene and blog and see what happens , you never know , you may meet like minded people !!! Honestly, it has to be better than coming here and getting roasted daily…

  38. peanuts&monkeys

    True Arsenal fans are somewhat jealous of the Liverpool fans – knowing how intensely they are loving their manager, their team. Or, how proudly they sport Klopp’s pics on their tees around the town.

  39. peanuts&monkeys

    I can also assure you, this desertion of wholeheaarted support for the team has crept in within the team itself. Wenger has lost the dressing room. long back. Players are playing for ONLY money. The club is hoping that Wenger, with all his dirty tricks can maneuver a 4th even with a lost dressing room.

    Its a hopeless situation, actually.

  40. peanuts&monkeys

    the AKBs are the single-most strong reason after their love for mediocrity, why the board is still sticking with Arsene Wenger. they keep showing this set of deluded morons as the fanbase still being behind Wenger.

  41. tunnygriffboy

    Guys. Don’t think there’s been an akb (laugh at the generic term) on the blog this morning.

    There may have been people who disagreed that that was our worst performance in Europe ever and that the point gained was a good one.

    Nobody’s been praising Wenger.

  42. Ozy

    “You played PSG without Ibra, without Lavezzi, without their steady and stable manager of three years.”

    Why do you say “you”? Do you not support Arsenal? Why are you here?

  43. Mr J

    “Chelsea, Porto defended their way to champions league wins. They are great and the tactics is wonderful.”

    Did we defend our way to a draw Ugh?
    Is that the way you saw the game?

  44. VP

    “Leicester provided a great example of how to get an away result. ”
    ‘’Yeah, against Club Brugge. We played PSG’’

    Only a month into the season and we’ve already made both Liverpool and PSG look like world-beaters.

    Haha …..Ozy seems to have forgotten the abysmal displays that we’ve had away from home only just last year, and for so many year’s prior to this. We we’re embarrassed in front of a global audience on Tuesday night and there is no getting away from this.

  45. Ozy

    “No, i barely support Arsenal. and i wish i hadn’t because AKBs and Wenger are still around”

    Yikes. Why spend so much time here then..

  46. Mr J

    “…We we’re embarrassed in front of a global audience on Tuesday night and there is no getting away from this.”

    Exactly this!!

    We cannot be compared to Chelsea or Porto defending their way to a cup… we did no defending whatsoever and weren’t even trying to.

    We were just ripped to shredds.

    Yes, in past times, this has happened to us but crickey, we were carved open at will

  47. peanuts&monkeys

    @tunnygriffboy September 15, 2016 12:42:06
    Guys. Don’t think there’s been an akb….

    Agree with you only partly..but AKBs are all over the place (pun not intended) here. But Arsenal fans here who are completely ‘done’ with Wenger will find a reasonto ask the same Qs again and again.

    Where is our striker after RvP? Why can’t Wenger get a true tactically superior assistant instead of that dumb Bould? And, many more…

  48. Mr J

    “Where is our striker after RvP? Why can’t Wenger get a true tactically superior assistant instead of that dumb Bould? And, many more…”

    in all honesty, I don’t believe that steve bould is tactically inept… I just find it had to believe he has a worthwhile voice in this current administration. You could put a decorated war general in his place and it won’t make the blindest bit of difference, as Wenger will want complete control.

    It’s like he’s there for show.

  49. Ozy

    “Haha …..Ozy seems to have forgotten the abysmal …”

    Did we go into this season with absolutely any shred of confidence that we would compete for any top honors? Absolutely not. Under Wenger and half of our squad, games like this Tuesday’s are what we can expect. Don’t do this to yourself, boo boo. Life is short enough as it is.

  50. tunnygriffboy

    Plenty of other sides have come out of games like this and been happy with the point. Rio Ferdinand says he’s been involved in many

    We were hardly an embarrassment

    Many games like this in the past we would have totally folded. We didn’t. When we had the chance we took it.

    Plenty of games in the past where the likes of Schmiechal and Cech, have bailedtheir sides out to get a point. It is not unusual when playing away against good sides in Europe.

    The test will come against the two other two sides in the group when we have to win and when we play the reverse leg v Psg

  51. Mr J

    “We were hardly an embarrassment”

    I’m afraid it was.

    Even Rio said as much!

    What he DID basically say was that IGNORING THE PERFORMANCE, it was a great point.

    Considering the performance, it was absolutely dire. Wenger has come out and this squad is ready to compete…

    Not according to that performance.

  52. S Asoa

    This is an Arsenal Blog.
    Not Arsene blog. Agree Arsene is a fixture in AFC. I understand. After all every house has a shitpot too. Only pity is that the AKB could not be poured in there and flushed down with their Love Interest Arsene.
    It is a pity so much space is wasted in civil explanation to these morons who appear a bunch of psychos.
    Only bright lining these Wenger love children are few. That ,in other words says b–tards .

  53. Mr J

    Look, If anybody is happy with mediocre/poor performances with 3 points and near acts of terrorism committed on a football field against the team but yielding a point, then fine.

    I’m not. And it should be this way.

    Yes, these things have happened in the past and we’ve been battered by tennis scores but we are supposed to be an organised unit… and we were made to look like the truth – distinctly disorganised, without the faintest clue of what our ‘strongest’ or even ‘most effective’ team should be.

    I can’t understand why this concept isn’t grasped or why people are hell-bent on painting some kind of Alice-in-wonder-land picture, that everything is OK.
    When the obvious is clear as day.

    Yes under the circumstance it was a blessed point, a gift of a point – but it was not in any way shape or form some sort of ‘rope-a-dope’… not even slightly

  54. S Asoa

    Bould is a hard man in training when given a chance. But we have a Great Dictator who lined up soft 2 MIL under his arse with condition to stay quiet out of limelight as Wenger goes to touchline, makes angry faces , argues with linesman and comes back to roust without giving any instructions to team.

  55. S Asoa

    Bamford, come and carry me out. Or cry to daddy pedro. Why dont you stick to supporting any team that plays fantastic football every match day huh?

    Bamford
    …fantastic foo..foo…football !
    Tell me this is a joke . Without knowing the infatuation of the guy I would not like to think something else

  56. tunnygriffboy

    Mrj

    Don’t think anyone is happy with the performance but some are happy with the point

    I have sympathy for Mustafi and Ox only having two training together through no fault of their own

    I don’t understand why Xhaka didn’t play even if it was alongside coq if Wenger wanted Coquelin energy.

    Alexis upfront ? Don’t understand this either.

    With all this going on I’m happy with the point. It was no surprise we werebetter second half when we played higher and pressed a bit more and were even better once Giroud and Xhaka came on.

    Hopefully Xhaka will now get a run in the team starting on Saturday. I’d be inclined to give Lucas a run wide instead of Ox purely to get him used to the pace of the league. Giroud could then play upfront. Won’t happen though.

  57. OleGunner

    What a lot of the people rejoicing the PSG draw don’t realise is that this was a game that re affirmed our abject performances this season which hardly inspire confidence going forward.

    Combined that with a deluded manager who is putting starting line ups that have us all baffled to the max and it just brings about complete apathy.

    We didn’t even ride our luck in that PSG game (Cav can’t score) or the Southampton one really(pen award like that won’t occur again), it’s unreal that all I’ve seen from this squad is 20 good minutes against Watford.
    Continue like this and Chelsea will cream us next weekend with Costa and co, and these shit displays prove we are nowhere near to winning the league.

  58. STV

    Tbh I can’t complain much abt the result 1-1 draw away is a good result.

    But our set up and the way we played were awful, and it’s obvious we do not have any chance for a SF or beyond with these.

    Our game was painful to watch.

  59. Ughelligunner

    If we all agree with the doomers that the game was drab, what would you gain out of it? Ok before you answer, i agree we were shit, Psg deserve to trash us 20 nil. Q.E.D

    now can we all move to something else, since the chief Akb has agreed. Or do you want to keep repeating the statement?

  60. Ughelligunner

    When we were behind, we tried to play a highline and then as usual we fell prey to counter attacks, it always looks like we are shit because of the emotions. From the final stats of the game, both teams couldnt keep up to possession for long, they both kept givning away the balls. Distance covered was almost the same, shot on goal was 5 to 3, passing was 85percent to 82percent. For a Psg side, with top players, and we still managed a draw, we did well. Even if the team was shit, the keeper wasnt. The last time i checked, goal keeping was part of the match.

    So how about the saturday lineup for hull?

  61. Mr J

    “For a Psg side, with top players, and we still managed a draw, we did well.”

    Stop it Ugh, just stop.

    it was fine with: “i agree we were shit”

  62. Joe

    Tunny

    Saying we rope a doped them like it was planned tactic to have them
    Rip us apart and have Cavani and Di Maria miss chances that were easier to
    Score than miss.

    Rope a dope was a planned tactic.

    We got split wide open

    Sorry tunny

    You believing that makes you a dope

    We hung around hahaha

    The only reason we hung around was because they missed clear chance after clear chance. When we ” rope a dope” as you say tunny we pass around meaningisly for 90
    Minutes. Possession and “domination” doesn’t mean anything unless you create chances.

    Psg were all over us. All game. Chance after chance

    Tunny the akb dope

  63. gonsterous

    I think we are playing well Wih the team at our disposal. Don’t rate Perez but I think mustafi will get better with time. I know it’s always doom and gloom here but they are lots of postives. For one, we seem to finally have squad depth.. something we seemed to have lacked forever…
    Just don’t see the motivation or hunger from the manager or the team to do something special this year…

  64. Champagne charlie

    Well, well, well usual drivel being spouted I see then. Worst performance in Europe? If this or that?

    Would love to see how other supposed great teams would fare being 1-0 down after 40-odd seconds away to PSG. Draw was a very satisfactory result and given their recent record there I’d say it would’ve been foolish to suggest we were going to go there and get a win.

    Should’ve been 7-0 down at half time? Lol Jesus… ‘If Cavani did this or that’, well sure if we didn’t have a goalkeeper then I imagine they’d have scored more, damn 11 a side rules. Anything to throw the usual mud our way, even talk of us getting battered if Ibra was still there. What a fucking stretch. Same Ibra who missed an open goal last week and couldn’t hit a barn door vs Chelsea last season twice? He would’ve buried us just because it makes for a super condemnation of Arsenal right?

    As for the game: wasn’t a fan of the team that started, mainly Ox, Iwobi, Coquelin, Ospina. Both young wingers simply don’t protect the FB (Iwobi must’ve been the only guy not to witness Aurier bossing it, only reason I can think for not helping out), Coquelin is a hindrance, Ospina was just another new element to a brand new CB partnership and for continuity sake Cech, Mustafi, Kos should play every game when fit to build a base. Early goal threw us all over, thanks Ospina for stepping up when needed, second half was even and showed the value of willing wideman (Alexis tracking) and Xhaka’s ability. Plenty to analyse but most importantly that’s a valuable point. Onwards

  65. Dissenter

    Tunny,
    Your misguided optimism is notorious around here.
    We went there without any discernible game pan, the starting selection was wrong and the big players were absent for most of the game.
    Yet you soldier on with your giddiness.

    Did someone mention rope-a-dope?
    We were entirely at the mercy of PSG the first half; it’s lime having one’s butt cheeks spread apart, legs up in a stirrup waiting for a doctor to do a colonoscopy.
    If depending on good luck was a plan then I guess we were well prepared.

  66. Joe

    Tunny

    I guess we did a rope
    A dope vs Liverpool. Leicester where we were saved by two non penalty calls, vs soton because we were saved by a shit Shane long and a jammy penalty and watford who missed again clear chances in the second half

    We have this rope a dope down! We do it every match.

  67. Rambo Ramsey

    ‘Arsenal are confident of agreeing a new deal with Mesut Ozil but doubts remain over whether Alexis Sanchez will commit to a new contract, sources close to the club have told ESPN FC.’

    Well, just as many predicted. Ozil’s a bit of a pussy player-fits nicely in Wenger world but Sanchez might not be too keen to be part of it.

  68. Champagne charlie

    Rambo

    I like Alexis but you have to admit how little he fits to the system we (should be) aim for. I’d argue moving him on and replacing with Draxler would improve the team overall, further helping Ozil with a familiar player to play alongside. Better still Reus…

  69. Wenker-wanger

    AKB is defined as the husband whose wife does nothing except shag around , getting drunk and slaps him about and he stands by her and tells the world how wonderful she is…. Haha complete tools

  70. Mr J

    “Draw was a very satisfactory result and given their recent record there I’d say it would’ve been foolish to suggest we were going to go there and get a win.”

    Yes that’s the spirit!!

    Is this what you’d tell your players if you were a manager?? Is that what you tell you children when they face a difficult challenge??

    I wonder what was told to the players or what they though at Anfield ’89 or Madrid ’06 or Inter ’13??

  71. Joe

    “Draw was a very satisfactory result and given their recent record there I’d say it would’ve been foolish to suggest we were going to go there and get a win.”

    Haha yet all the Akbs were on here Saturday,Sunday and Monday after our big convincing win over soton about how psg were playing shit, injuries and lost Ibra and how it was the best time to play them

    Hahah how the narrative changes.

    Nope. We played rope a dope with them Hahahahahaha

    Wenger’s new tactic according to Akbs

    Rope a dope hahaha

  72. Rambo Ramsey

    Charlie, I must admit I’ve not seen much of Draxler. But if we do fail to strike a deal with Sanchez, that’ll leave the club short and in need of TWO quality wide forwards. Not a good situation to be in.

  73. Joe

    MR J

    I’m sure that’s what pep and Jose and fergie etc say to all players before big games

    Don’t worry. You are foolish to think you’ll get a win here. Just play rope a dope and you’ll be fine

  74. Sam

    PSG game is behind me now looking forward to face mighty Hull
    I am sure players are doing the same

    Losers still want to discuss why we got a point in a game we should have lost

    Ask for a foking replay then

  75. Champagne charlie

    MrJ

    What part of what I said troubles you exactly?

    It was a satisfactory point, we were away from home against the main challenger for top spot so take care of the home games and we top it.

    It was foolish for anyone to sit and say pre-game that we should be turning up there and beating them at home after a 39 game unbeaten streak in Europe. Possible? Always, it’s football. But to sit and say we should go there and get a win is/was daft and totally ignoring the context.

    Guess you’re the same sort who’d say a draw at the Nou Camp is shit?

  76. Rambo Ramsey

    ‘Arsene Wenger believes he has learned to control Alexis Sanchez’s moods and will get more out of the temperamental Arsenal star this season.

    Chilean forward Sanchez was difficult to manage last season as he was desperate to play every game, wanted to rush back too quickly after injuries and even threw strops when substituted.

    But Wenger sat down with the former Barcelona star in the summer and explained his plans to play him through the middle rather than out wide this season, and also make it clear he will have to accept being rested and rotated.

    Sanchez arrived back in the UK late last Thursday after being on international duty.

    Last season, he might have demanded to play against Southampton less than 48 hours later but this time Wenger put him on the bench so the 27-year-old was ready to face Paris Saint-Germain in Tuesday’s Champions League opener.

    He scored the late equaliser as the Gunners took a point at the Parc des Princes , despite going behing to an Edinson Cavani goal in the first minute.

    Wenger was concerned Sanchez was too selfish playing on the wing and did not track back enough, so is keen to make him work from a more central attacking position.’

    ————————————————

    I know the Mirror routinely pass off tosh as insight but the above still got me worried. This Sanchez-at-CF experiment needs to be forgotten

  77. Sam

    Bung George last Job in the league was at Tottenham

    Everything is done for Arsenal is nullified

    He’s in wall of shame with Gallas, Adebayor n David Bentley

  78. Redtruth

    Van Persie was spoken as a gifted player long before Wenger signed him
    You could see Fabregas had quality very early on in his Arsenal career .

    No player has ever made it at Arsenal under Wenger without first having the quality to succeed..

  79. gonsterous

    Sanchez at CF is exactly the reason why Wenger has lost it.. why take a player who is thriving in a particular position and scoring goals and put him in a position he is not comfortable in. Its the whole Ramsey at RM bull all over again !!

  80. Champagne charlie

    “No player has ever made it at Arsenal under Wenger without first having the quality to succeed..”

    What a fucking gem hahaha pretty certain this isn’t specific to Wenger, don’t recall any footballer making it period without the quality to succeed. Definition of erroneous

  81. Mr J

    @ CC
    “What part of what I said troubles you exactly?”

    If you can’t see exactly what you said that troubles, after watching football for x amount of years – then therein lies the problem.

    And I’m at pains to have to explain it to you! All the responses to that comment should be more than an indicator.

    Please explain the mindset of the players in the results that were mentioned?

    Please explain how Alaves went to the Nou Camp and won this season? Are Barcelona unbeatable at home??

  82. Champagne charlie

    Jeff

    Damn it Jeff you’re right, fuck sake Wenger you should’ve signed Aguero in the summer you cunt! Wenger out.

  83. Jeff

    Red,

    Shouldn’t that be the other way round. Plenty of them about.

    Name one gem that Wenger has turned into an average player?

  84. Champagne charlie

    MrJ

    So you can’t answer a simple question? Cool. Terrific dose of irony in your Alaves/Barcelona unbeatable at home quip after suggesting I can’t see certain aspects. Just don’t like to read what’s posted or are you just intent on talking crap?

  85. Champagne charlie

    Jeff

    So instead let’s compare trivial statistics and present them as meaningful? Aguero scores goals, and has scored in gluts early this season. What’s your point?

    Sorry for not pissing my pants with despair 4 games in, we’re still at the point in the season where 3 points moves your 12 places in the league so you can put the razor blades down capitan.

  86. China

    The very idea that points are readily expandable at the start of the season makes my head fucking hurt

    On what planet do points become less valuable when the season has just begun?

    The same planet where the season doesn’t need preparing for I guess.

  87. Mr J

    @CC

    What are you on about Charlie??

    Your questtion weas answered.

    I asked you a series of questions all of which you neglected to answer… and you talk of irony. Here they are again:

    1)Is this what you’d tell your players if you were a manager??
    2)Is that what you tell you children when they face a difficult challenge??
    3)I wonder what was told to the players or what they though at Anfield ’89 or Madrid ’06 or Inter ’13??
    4)Please explain how Alaves went to the Nou Camp and won this season? Are Barcelona unbeatable at home??

    Come on Charlie… you’re more intelligent than this

  88. Jeff

    CC,

    I see. I beg your pardon. You didn’t understand the point so you decided to be upset instead. What is my point? Well let’s see now. Since you are a renowned devotee with a certificate to prove it, you must surely be deluded enough to think we have a chance of winning the PL – like you probably did in the last 12 Septembers that dear Mr Wenger has frittered away. So my point is that those “trivial” statistic should give you an early indicator that it isn’t going to happen.

    But being the emotive soul that you are you want to tell me that your beloved lord works in mysterious ways and we should not count our chicks before they are hatched – not even if we have a really old chicken who’s been laying the same number of eggs for over a decade. Let me guess: we have to wait till May because otherwise what’s the point – right? Yeah Charlie, I’ve heard that one before – 12 times before to be precise. When will you and your brethren learn?

  89. azed

    Ozy
    “Leicester provided a great example of how to get an away result.

    ”Yeah, against Club Brugge. We played PSG.

    I remember us losing at home to Dynamo Zagreb last season……

  90. Batistuta

    Horrible Horrible Horrible performance on Tuesday, Arsene must be going senile bordering on mad for that line up,to think he’s still experimenting almost a full month into the new season is atrocious and crazy

    But that was a pretty good point considering our performance and the number of chances they had

    I don’t rate Perez one bit but surely he has to be better than Ox on the wings, dude is among the worst players I’ve seen put on the red and white