Arsenal PR using friendly win to paint heavily over shocking summer

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Watching the Arsenal game as we speak. Really difficult to take too much from the game. The weather looked wonderfully sweltering, we had a distinctly weak team out and we had a bunch of the same issues we had last year (and years before, if you any horror in Drogba STILL haunting us).

The tempo of the game was nice, Chamberlain looks fit and sharpish, Rob Holding looked pretty decent. Theo looked clueless. I mean, hard to take anything from preseason games.

The only thing you could really draw from it was that our squad looks woefully short. Wenger came out after the game and said that he was looking for one player. Then said somewhere else that he was looking for two players. Basically, a striker and centre-back cover.

He also got on track with the company messaging

on if a top-four finish this season would be enough…
It’s never enough. I personally believe that no matter what you do, it’s never enough. You have to give absolutely everything to take the best out of the team. I believe that we know what we have to do, because we were second last year, we had 18 teams behind us. It’s a big ask, because when you look at the Premier League, every club is hugely ambitious. You look at the cheques that everybody signs and it’s quite scary. That’s what the Premier League is about at the moment.

Reading that, crying into my coffee. It’s like giving your grandma an iPad for Christmas and telling her you’ve pre-installed 1000 books.

‘It’s scary Pete, it’s scary. 1000?’

Yes Grandma, it is scary.

It’s scary that we’re heading into a season where Klopp, Pep, Jose and Conte have all added players to very good squads. It’s scary that you’re scared of writing big cheques. It’s scary that we’ve gone from Vardy and Mikki, to Lacazette and some two-bob centre back that’s been offered to you at the local meat market.

Interesting though, because like in the real world, you have the informed and the uninformed. The vast majority of Arsenal fans are uninformed. They get their news from The Sun or Sky Sports news. It’s news light. So when Ivan Gazidis and Arsene Wenger trot out the, ‘we just canna compete lads’, durge to the masses, the masses believe it.

I was on the train with my old man last night, a train friend dropped by smashed, politely giving his assessment of Wenger. Two of the points he made for keeping him onboard were,

‘We can’t compete’

‘At the end of the day, he hasn’t spent much money’

Those two lines perfectly encapsulate the malaise and the reasoning.

We can’t compete, because Ivan is pulling the wool over the eyes of the misinformed.

Wenger not spending money, in the eyes of most fans, is a get out of jail free card. Wenger won’t spend £100m on players, because he knows that if he fails this year on a budget, there’s always ‘well, imagine what he could do if he DID spend cash’…

It’s really tough to watch it play out. You have to say, taking this summer at face value, we’re being taken for a ride again.

Only Wenger and Ivan could say Arsenal will make an impact on the league this season by basically adding one decent player. Only Arsene and Ivan could look at the competition, bemoan it and not try and do anything to counter it.

What must the players think? The same as you and me…

They’ll know we’re unprepared. Per Mertesacker mentioned the other week that other teams appear to by signing good players (he couldn’t add, ‘why aren’t we?’). They feel the same things we do. They’re even more expertly aware of the issues. They’ll be flat looking at the better coaches and the heightened ambition. Because players want to work with great people.

Same way business works, right? If you work in advertising, you wanna know you’re going to partner with people who make great work. You work in banking, you wanna know your team are capable of making great decisions that reap great rewards, you work in First Sport selling trainers, you wanna know you’re going to get out early.

Arsenal players already knew they weren’t good enough. They’ll be pleased with Xhaka, but they’ll know we’re still a long way off what United and City have been doing. They’ll be affected by the negative messaging from Ivan. They’ll be affected by the whimpering comments of Wenger. They’ll not be turbo-charged by an immense preseason that has rectified the problems of last year.

It’s quite incredible.

Also amazing the PR Rob Holding is getting on the main site and that Arsenal are showing off about beating a MLS All Star team, because Bayern lost to them.

Teeing you up for successful failure again this year… what a shit show.

 

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  1. Jim lahey

    @naij –

    “Giroud is not going to get better, the earlier we phase him out and stop fashioning our play to suit him , the better for all the players around him. If he cannot be effective in a 4-3-3 get someone who will End of .”

    For once I agree with you!

  2. WengerEagle

    Think that’s giving Wenger a bit too much credit tbh, 2014 was the only summer where we actively sought to upgrade on Giroud and even then he wouldn’t pay the full whack for Suarez and Higuain (we were only allegedly in for the latter).

    There was nothing concrete in the Benzema stuff last summer, was just abstract paper guff which the player himself laughed off.

  3. Louis Almeida

    Cesc Appeal, Wenger Eagle – Wenger has obviously been looking though which was my main point. If he was as convinced about Giroud as Emiratestroller is, he would’ve nipped the talk in the bud. Anyway, my main point was that Giroud hampers us and our style. Even Walcott as bad as he is made us look pretty good at times last season. Thinking of the games against Man United and Bayern at home.

  4. Relieable Sauce

    Problems with 442 are you cannot really play Ozil, the CM pairing is yet to be determined and the only proven wide player we have is Sanchez – who imo would probably suit the SS role better than R/LM.

    442 is good for a direct attacking style that utilises crosses, although its clear we do need to play like that sometimes, we never do.

    3 CBs seems the natural way for us to play the extra CF against defensive teams (we are almost there now with Monreal playing more like a 3rd CB) plus you get to play Ozil in his best position.

  5. Paulinho

    As WengerEagle said, same old shite with Oxalade.

    Starts off every pre-season like Jairzinho; ends the actual season like Lister from Red Dwarf after too many vindaloos.

  6. Cesc Appeal

    WE

    I do think though it seems as if their is an admission Giroud isn’t good enough, as I say, no matter how crudely and half-arsed our attempts were, there were still ‘Arsenal’ style attempts to change our ST.

    You really do have to be a total idiot to think Giroud at ST is enough to do big things, if our manager honestly believes that then that’s terrifying, its one thing if he doesn’t but doesn’t have the ambition, balls or guile to replace him, quite another if he genuinely thinks Giroud is one of the top ST’s going.

  7. tunnygriffboy

    Stv

    I think you’re going a bit ott about getting rid of all those players. Some are certainly good enough to play a lot of games for us, others good squad members, others to go

    Welbeck, Ramsey, Coquelin, Wilshere (if fit) and Gabriel are all good enough to start games for us. Not saying all games but good squad members.

    Schezney, Debuchy and Walcott could go. Not every member of the squad willmbe top bracket. You couldn’t get 25 top players they wouldn’t be prepared to sit on the bench

    It’s made out that our players are sh.t. Not all of them are. If they were sh.t we wouldn’t be in the top four regularly. Are they good enough to win the title ? As it stands no. With 3 more astute signings maybe.

    Then you come to the manager. Can he get the current players to the title ? No. Because they are sh.t no one else could. With 3 more astute signings stil probably not.

    The other thing is that if our players are so bad then Wenger must be a great manager to get us near the top of the table every season.

    The truth is somewhere in the middle. Wenger is a good manager, not a great one. Time has passed him by and he doesn’t back his instinct anymore. The players are generally good with a few in the top bracket, others need to leave.

    We have a good side but with a different manager and utilising all our financial resources we could be better

    Ps: If we are genuinely after Mustafi we need to get Mesut and Mert on the phone to him.

  8. Jim lahey

    @WE – “It’s going to take more than 2 decent games against crap sides to replenish the Ox’s reputation.”

    Exactly.. The guy stunk the place out last season, he was horrendous. Now that he has played well against two nothing teams in preseason we no longer need Mahrez… Until 5 games in and Ox is back to his useless self and we have no one to replace him.

  9. naijagunner

    @ Jim Lahey

    Not a single poster here said we do not need Mahrez because Ox had two good preseason games , not one,

    They consensus was that we first needed an experienced striker and Cb first, before putting up the cash that would be required to tempt LCFC into selling Mahrez.

    What we are saying is that Ox deserves another crack just like Walcott has got his 10 seasons and counting worth of

  10. Jim lahey

    Wojciech Szczęsny
    Mathieu Debuchy
    Kieran Gibbs
    Jack Wilshere
    Theo Walcott
    Yaya Sanogo
    Joel Campbell
    Carl Jenkinson

    All players that could leave the club and not be missed at all.

  11. Jim lahey

    “Not a single poster here said we do not need Mahrez because Ox had two good preseason games , not one,”

    Not a Le Grove poster, but watch all the official Arsenal media pump up Ox in the coming weeks… almost like…. a new signing.

    “They consensus was that we first needed an experienced striker and Cb first, before putting up the cash that would be required to tempt LCFC into selling Mahrez.”

    We have the cash to do all of that, why would it matter who we bring in first?

    “What we are saying is that Ox deserves another crack just like Walcott has got his 10 seasons and counting worth of”

    He needs a year on loan not a free run in the Arsenal team just because Walcott has been mincing about the place for 10 years. Is Ox good enough to start for Arsenal? No is the answer.

  12. Paulinho

    Wenger wasting another season on Ox is an obvious flagrant mistake he’s already committed.

    Fans love to talk about injuries during the season – garbage like the Cazorla injury last year – but the seeds of collapse are always sown right now. Wenger in dream mode; surrounded by sycophants in pre-season and a pressure free environment which means the divisive players are in exhibition mode;, which usually means playing at a level which he thinks will be good enough in the coming season.

  13. STV

    Tunny it all down to one thing Do you want to compete for major titles, then those are the players that are not going to be helpful. Do you want top 4 then those players are clearly good enough even Wenger can get this.

    I did sound harsh on certain players surely, Debuchy Chambers Gabeiel and Elneny would make the cut for another season because they didn’t played enough to prove themselves.

    Ox Coq Wilshere Chamb Walcott Ramsey etc.. had consistently failed except for short stretches. Putting your faith in those is a recipe for another failure IMO..

  14. Wallace

    Paulinho

    “Fans love to talk about injuries during the season – garbage like the Cazorla injury last year –…”

    garbage?

    you saying he didn’t actually get injured, or that we looked a lot worse without him in the team is garbage?

  15. Ozy

    “Are you denying that the kid has obvious potentials ???”

    Absolutely – who is still arguing the Ox has potentials? Or that he’s still a kid? He is not. We paid an obscene amount for absolutely no return whatsoever. His only contribution to Arsenal are media duties.

  16. HillWood

    Our current set up gets us up to opposition penalty area which is overloaded with bodies and frequently breaks down. Wenger instructs not to shoot outside the box. Last season our goal count was low. We have played this system for too long but Wenger refuses to change. We should try 4-4-2 . The penalty area would be less congested

  17. Wallace

    STV

    “Ox Coq Wilshere Chamb Walcott Ramsey etc.. had consistently failed except for short stretches. Putting your faith in those is a recipe for another failure IMO..”

    do any of the above actually start these days?

    are you just wanting a squad of 25 world class players?

    buy 25 worldies and we’ll probably be making about 130m a day on shirt sales alone. I heard we even made 3m off of Zlatan’s shirt sale last week. Utd made so much money on it they gave us 3m just for the hell of it.

  18. Ozy

    STV,

    how has Coquelin consistently failed? And why should Debuchy be given another season to prove himself? The guy is 31 years old and seems to care less game by game.

  19. Paulinho

    “you saying he didn’t actually get injured, or that we looked a lot worse without him in the team is garbage?”

    His injury was irrelevant.

    One half an hour of top football against United was the only period of play which looked any different to what came before and after his injury, and that was when he had a completely past it Schweinsteiger trailing round after him like he had one too many pints them night before.

    The control we supposedly have with Cazorla is a complete bollocks – always has been. We can’t hold onto the ball with or without him against top sides.

    The collective energy of the side – which comes from the manager – is what dictates how well we do. The players we have playing just effects the manner in which it manifests.

  20. TitsMcGee

    The same posters that bemoan the injuries are the same posters thst agree that a 3 signing window is enough.

    They’ll be the first to trot out “we woulda done better if X didn’t get injured”.

  21. STV

    do any of the above actually start these days?

    Wallace

    I am sure every one of them bar Chamberlain are seen as starting material. That’s a big problem

    I could live with Debuchy or other 2 staying cause they are confirmed 2nd 3rd or 4rh choices and they dont play much.

    It’s the major players that needs replacing.We are going to see loads from those players and that’s a big turn off..

  22. freddylekgunner

    Wojciech Szczęsny
    Mathieu Debuchy
    Kieran Gibbs
    Jack Wilshere
    Theo Walcott
    Yaya Sanogo
    Joel Campbell
    Carl Jenkinson
    Out of above list I’ll keep Gibbs and Campbell.

  23. tunnygriffboy

    Ox

    I know the teams we’ve played against have been very average but it’s the way Oxtook the goals that were pleasing. He finished them well. Chances are chances no matter who they are against. They have to be taken.

    Injuries

    We always get them and desperately need to sort them out. However the fact is we had serious injur to many players and medium term injuries to many as well

    Saying we always have injuries doesn’t alter the fact we had them and they were bound to affect us. I’m not saying that our injury record is anything but appalling and needs to be sorted but once again they derailed our season

    Just keeping players fit and allowing and having rotation would help this greatly. 3 more quality players will allow this and give us more options. Keep players fit and the squad would be strong enough to rotate for certain matches

    Last season : Long term injuries

    Debuchy
    Coquelin
    Santi
    Wilshere
    Alexis
    Welbeck
    Arteta

    Medium term injuries:

    Koscielney
    Ramsey
    Walcott
    Ox
    Gabriel

    That is once again ridiculous and any team in the league would be affected by this. Already this season we have long term injuries to Mert and Welbeck.

  24. naijagunner

    If some of you really do note rate 80% of our players, detest the manager and the board and believe the Emirates move was useless what exactly do you like about Arsenal football club and why subject yourself to the unpleasantness of supporting them??

    Any player we buy is written off after a bad game or two and instantly a “world class” replacement is demanded .

    Coquelin has consistently failed …failed at what exactly??

  25. Wallace

    Paulinho

    “The collective energy of the side – which comes from the manager – is what dictates how well we do. The players we have playing just effects the manner in which it manifests.”

    you been channeling your chakras, Paulinho?

  26. tunnygriffboy

    Stv

    Being a squad player compared to a certain starter is a huge difference. A lot of the players are good enough to be part of a title winning squad.

    They could do a job for a number of weeks. They could play certain games allowing players rest. I wouldn’t though play them altogether

    What we need when we buy now is first team starters. This then pushes certain players not good enough to win the title onto the bench, the players currently on the bench will then miss out in the match day squad

  27. Marko

    I don’t think Oxlade is a problem or keeping him was ever an issue I think the general argument was he needed games for progression and maybe a loan was needed. Now if after a couple pre season games his performances have convinced anyone that we shouldn’t target another wideman I’d suggest that you haven’t a clue especially if you take into account the last few years and also Ox is a backup at best so keeping him doesn’t in the slightest bit change the fact that we need another body in that area and absolutely need to get rid of Walcott without doubt.

  28. tunnygriffboy

    T.ts

    We need more than three players. We wouldn’t have this issue had we purchased 2 or outfield players last summer

    Re the injuries. We have an appalling record and one of the most important things we should be doing is addressing this.

    You can’t though ignore that we lost important players to long term injuries. Justbecause we always have injuries doesn’t mean that having loads of players unavailable for very long periods didn’t affect us. It obviously did

  29. tunnygriffboy

    Stv

    The latest list you put up has potentially two starters for next season if we were currently picking our strongest team. They are Ramsey and Ox. If we bring players in then Ox is likely to be benched. Ramsey is good enough to start

  30. Wallace

    Marko

    “Now if after a couple pre season games his performances have convinced anyone that we shouldn’t target another wideman I’d suggest that you haven’t a clue..”

    like naija said, no one has actually said this.

  31. Galaxygooner

    Believe me, Arsene,Gazidis and Kroenke ate playing the fans right now.
    All they are doing is to run down the transfer window clock.
    They are not interested in making any serious signings

  32. TitsMcGee

    We need more than three players. We wouldn’t have this issue had we purchased 2 or outfield players last summer”

    And who decided 0 outfield players was a good idea especially no backup for Coquelin?

    That is exactly the point. We always have injuries yet we put ourselves in a worse position. Then Wenger will come out and blame said injuries for why he face planted yet again when he did nothing to prevent the affects of it to start with.

  33. tunnygriffboy

    Naija

    Agree with your last comment. No team has world class talent in every position. Some have more than others and that helps. Certainly the 25 man squads of all clubs aren’t world class. Players of that calibre aren’t happy to sit on the bench week after week.

    Wenger is actually right in that any player we now buy has to be good enough to start. Whether we agree about who is better than who and who needs to be replaced is a matter of opinion but in principle what Wenger is saying is right

  34. Emiratesstroller

    La Almeida

    You assume that every striker linked with Arsenal is a replacement for Giroud. Many of those who were linked with Arsenal were more likely to brought in as competition or even understudies for him.

    The only strikers who have been linked with us in the past 3 seasons who might have been considered cast iron upgrades would have been Suarez,
    Higuain and possibly Sanchez.

    Sanchez was tried in the striker position as was Walcott, but it did not work out. Welbeck was recruited but does not score enough goals to be considered
    an upgrade.

    Most of the long list of other strikers whom we were linked with were either
    fiction or frankly no better than Giroud. I doubt that Vardy, Moreta, Icardi or
    even Lacazette would be automatic starters ahead of Giroud.

  35. Marko

    Says a lot about where Walcott’s at that people are talking about Oxlade’s performances and Akpom’s goals than anything Theo’s done

  36. Louis Almeida

    Emiratestroller, IF we spend north of £30m for Lacazette, you really think he’s going to sit on the bench for Giroud? Why would e bring in an understudy when it’s blatantly obvious that Giroud himself isn’t good enough. Obviously I want an elite striker but as long as we recruit someone with an opposite playing style to Giroud we’ll be better off. Welbeck for sure is not great, I don’t think he ever will be but have you not seen that Arsenal always look more threatening as a team when he starts. Why is this?

    Alexis I agree is not a #9, he plays more like a false #9 as he is always attracted to the ball.

  37. Relieable Sauce

    Walcott is our emergency striker, you guys do know that dont you…?

    Starting this season of all seasons in such a manner will be a huge embarassment.
    This is why I think we will get a CF, though it could end up being a really underwhelming one.

    Then again, this is Wenger. The man who played Sanogo vs Bayern Munich in the CL…

  38. tunnygriffboy

    Tits

    Wenger didn’t buy players last window

    He kept Arteta and Flamini when we all knew they weren’t good enough

    He didn’t buy a back up/player better than Coquelin

    Yes he bemoans injuries and didn’t have adequate cover

    Despite all of this the fact is we had injuries and it derailed our season part of it because we got stuffed in midfield because our cover wasn’t good enough.

    IF the players had stayed fit we may have got more points. I think we would have. Enough for the title ? I don’t know

  39. Joe

    Welbeck for sure is not great, I don’t think he ever will be but have you not seen that Arsenal always look more threatening as a team when he starts.

    But wellbeck, for all
    The running around he does, does not score enough to be a starting striker for Arsenal. He’s all graft and puts In a shift and will never be the prolific scorer we need.

  40. Joe

    IF the players had stayed fit we may have got more points. I think we would have. Enough for

    Tunny IF we had replaced wenger at the beginning of last season we WOULD have got more points and WOULD have won the league

  41. Louis Almeida

    Joe, of course. I don’t think he will ever be prolific, I don’t rate him highly. My main point was that because he can help to stretch defences and is a bigger aerial threat than Walcott, he brings a good dynamism to the team that makes the likes of Alexis and Ozil more dangerous. Lacazette, while not possessing Welbeck’s height, is a great threat in behind, good in 1v1s. Is a different alternative for us, scores a lot of goals and will also make the others more dangerous IMO.

  42. tunnygriffboy

    Has Welbeck had a long enough run in the team as a striker to say he’s failed ? Ozil likes his pace and constant running. He’s played most of his games wide. Then injury.

    Lacazette can play anywhere along the front 3. We could play horses for courses. Lacazette could get certain games Giroud others depending on who we play and how we want to play. Fact is he has different attributes than Giroud hence giving us a different option.

  43. Louis Almeida

    tunnygriffboy, I think the argument is that if Welbeck was good enough in his natural position (ST), he wouldn’t have to play wide. I think he’s an ok player and definitely worth having in the squad due to his myriad of attributes. It’s just a shame that the one key attribute that lets his game down is what he is judged on.

  44. Moray

    “IF the players had stayed fit we may have got more points. I think we would have. Enough for the title ? I don’t know”

    Tunny, out problems are much deeper than injuries or even signings. We could have the AC Milan side of Van Basten and Gullit and they would bottle it under this regime. Looking back you realise quite how good our invincible team must have been that they still won the Premiership under Wenger.

  45. Joe

    Louis, Tunny

    But for a striker you should be judged on goals.

    What top striker is ever judged on his ability to run around a lot and having pace?

    Strikers need to be goal scorers. It’s what they are paid to do.

  46. Moray

    If you play Wellbeck ly you need to pair him with a goal scorer. Our problem is that Giroud is not a reliable goal scorer. I think wellbeck was another bargain punt from Wenger. He wasn’t what we needed then and probably is more Everton it Liverpool type quality than Arsenal.

  47. Paulinho

    “how good our invincible team must have been that they still won the Premiership under Wenger.”

    Well that was because of the George Graham players, directly and indirectly( passed on through to the likes of Henry, Pires).

    Obviously the message was too diluted when those players tried to pass it on to themselves to the next gen, so what we were left with 100% Wenger, which of course means a destructive cocktail of self-doubt and complacency.

  48. Redtruth

    It’s bad enough putting up with posters like Cesc, Marko, Marc and N5 but posters like tunny, alexander, Wallace, tom and champagne are on another planet…

  49. Emiratesstroller

    Louis Ameida

    Welbeck is supposed to be a striker but he played for both Arsenal and England on wing and has played alongside Giroud.

    Last season Lacazette played on wing with Fekir playing in striker role for Lyon before he suffered injury.

    So there is every possibility that Lacazette could play in a forward line alongside Giroud and Sanchez instead of our current formation.

    The real point about Lacazette is that he would offer us goalscoring striker options, which we do not have currently in our squad.

    That is why I agree with those who believe that Lacazette would be a more likely option to buy than Mahrez who is more of an attacking midfield or winger.

  50. Joe

    Well that was because of the George Graham players, directly and indirectly( passed on through to the likes of Henry, Pires).

    Exactly Paulinho

    It was a team of self motivated leaders who won in despite of wenger. And that’s they all left. They knew what we all know

  51. naijagunner

    “Well that was because of the George Graham players, directly and indirectly( passed on through to the likes of Henry, Pires).”

    And you expect anyone to talk your words as objectivity despite the hate tinted glasses

    Rubbish

  52. Marko

    From a guy who actually likes Welbeck and thinks he’s done quite well since joining he should not be our first or second choice striker I’m afraid he’s not remotely prolific. Good option on the wings he puts in a shift. Not a striker though

  53. tunnygriffboy

    Joe

    We get you don’t like Wenger but you tend to relate everything to him even if the debate is about something else other than him. Please give it a rest re Wenger. He’s here this season, nowt we can do about it.

  54. Paulinho

    Joe – Yep. The Wenger regime was already on the verge of collapse in late 97 when we lost 3-1 to Blackburn Rovers. That was when the players took it on themselves to motivate themselves and the players around them.

    We had already been exposed to the flaws of Wenger’s management then. Zero protection of the back four.

    Unfortunately he hasn’t got the likes of Adams and Cole to bail him out now.

  55. naijagunner

    All this we had the invincible season and the two league and cup doubles in spite of Wenger bullshit is pitiful .

    It renders any other point you have to make useless.

  56. Marko

    Last season Lacazette played on wing with Fekir playing in striker role for Lyon before he suffered injury.

    Other way around Stroller. One is a striker the other a winger/AM

  57. naijagunner

    “Unfortunately he hasn’t got the likes of Adams and Cole to bail him out now.”

    Hence our subsequent relegation to the championship, swiftly followed by demotion to league one and by the end of this season we will actually be refused by league two and go straight to non-league \

    Age does not necessarily come with wisdom, i have realized that since i started interacting with some of you here

  58. Joe

    Tunny

    Was talking about wellbeck. Why didn’t you address that wellbeck part of my posts. Why only choose the wenger bit?

    You say it’s injuries. I say it’s wenger. And it’s wenger’s fault we didn’t have cover for the injuries.

    I get it you don’t blame wenger. I will not let it rest. It because fans give it a rest that he is still here.

    So when we get smacked by Liverpool should we just let it rest ??

  59. Louis Almeida

    Lacazette has always played as a striker. Look at his record over the last 3 seasons. Fekir is a #10, SS or wide playmaker. I’m sure Karim will confirm.

    Joe, I agree but you were missing my wider point. I’d also dispute that top strikers are more than just goalscorers as well.

  60. naijagunner

    @ Louis

    I am sure the fellow you are interacting with considers Morratta a top striker but has never stopped to ask how many goals exactly has Morratta managed to score in a season.

  61. raptora

    According to reports we had £30m offer turned down last week and we’ll be coming back with an improved offer. Lyon manager Bruno Genesio on Alexandre Lacazette: “There are some offers you cannot refuse.”

    On Mahrez: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyNW8KmATrs and the nonstop talking of Ranieri that there is something going on with him.

    Arsenal target Shkodran Mustafi is in England – training with Valencia in Marlow before friendly against Bournemouth on Wednesday and reports say that we are going very strong for him.

    The dream of signing all 3 in the likes of Lacazette, Mahrez and Mustafi. Can it happen?!

  62. Joe

    Louis
    They are more than goal scorers. But goals is the #1 thing they get judged on.

    All others will come second

    Would Henry been out greatest striker if he didn’t score all those goals. Nope

  63. Louis Almeida

    Joe, I agree. My main premise was that Giroud’s style of play doesn’t necessarily lend itself to getting the best out of the current personnel. So we need someone of Welbeck’s skillset IMO but more clinical of course. Wenger’s best strikers have always tended to be big mobile types (Henry, Anelka, RVP, Adebayor).

  64. Redtruth

    George Graham’s backfour instilled the traditions and never say die ethos of the club to the foreign playees while Wenger offers nothing more than surrender…

  65. Paulinho

    Naija – You can’t handle the truth mate. Unfortunately reality is reality and it doesn’t give a shit what you think about it.

  66. naijagunner

    Funny that non of our great ex players who motivated themselves and won titles with the idiot Wenger as their manager is tearing it up as coaches now winning trophies galore.

    I mean if you had all that know how as a player what’s stopping you making use of it now as a manager., The great Tony Adams has failed in every post, even in Azerbaijan, yet as a player he was able to tell his team mates to ignore the idiot they had as a manager and led them to trophies

    I mean why let all that George Graham juice in them go to waste

  67. Emiratesstroller

    Marko/Louis Almeida

    Wrong Fekir started season in central striker role, although both were called CF. Fekir was in fact leading goalscorer in Europe until he suffered cruciate injury.

    The point is that Lacazette unlike Giroud can play on wing just as Welbeck did
    when he played alongside Giroud in team.

    What you will have to decide however is whether Arsenal can play a 4-3-3 formation with only three midfielders or a 3-4-3 formation with three defenders
    at back.

    One thing I am certain is that Giroud is not going to be demoted to just sitting
    on bench. Wenger is more likely to rotate.

  68. Louis Almeida

    Zidane has said that Morata is not going anywhere anyway so I think that case is closed. They need a proper alternative to Benzema as Ronaldo isn’t a #9.

    What is more interesting is Chelsea’s £60m bid for Lukaku. Apparently Diego Costa is going back to Atletico.

  69. naijagunner

    @ Paulinho

    Funny how whenever you roll up here you are convinced you are the only one that sees reality for what it is when in fact you juts have an agenda you are peddling, same as everybody else

  70. Louis Almeida

    “Wrong Fekir started season in central striker role, although both were called CF. Fekir was in fact leading goalscorer in Europe until he suffered cruciate injury.”

    I’m sorry but this isn’t even remotely true. I’m sure Karim will confirm but Fekir is NOT a #9

  71. naijagunner

    “How often do great players make great coaches.”

    But they weren’t just players were they??

    They were able to win despite having a moron as their manager. They tore up his game plans, thought the new signings passion for the game, decided that Henry should be a striker despite the idiot wanting his as a full back, simply speaking George Graham’s players managed Arsenal after Bruce Rioch was sacked, they ignored the fraud who was hired , so they were basically player managers

  72. Emiratesstroller

    La Almeida

    I watched a couple of the games and Fekir was playing in central role at start of last season. If you google Fekir on transfermarkt it will confirm that last season he played CF and scored a hat trick in game preceding cruciate injury.

    The point is that both Lacazette and Fekir have often played in tandem and can play either on wing or up front.

  73. Paulinho

    Naija – Well, unfortunately reality keeps bearing out my subjective ‘agenda’, so until that stops happening you’re in a bit of a pickle.

  74. STV

    “simply speaking George Graham’s players managed Arsenal after Bruce Rioch was sacked, they ignored the fraud who was hired , so they were basically player manager”

    True and the Japanese outcast took all the credit 😀

  75. Joe

    They were able to win despite having a moron as their manager. They tore up his game plans, thought the new signings passion for the game, decided that Henry should be a striker despite the idiot wanting his as a full back, simply speaking George Graham’s players managed Arsenal after Bruce Rioch was sacked, they ignored the fraud who was hired , so they were basically player managers

    This is the first thing your ever posted on here that was right naija.

    Well done

  76. Marko

    One thing I am certain is that Giroud is not going to be demoted to just sitting
    on bench. Wenger is more likely to rotate

    When you don’t play you’re usually on the bench no? Also yes Lacazette is the strikerFekir the playmaker/attacker

  77. Ashley

    just reading through some of the earlier comments and I have to say there is no way people should be thinking about selling Campbell , I say it again , 15 out of the other 19 prem teams would want him in their squad , I’m telling ya ! The boy has quality , shown more last season than Walcott has in 10 years

  78. STV

    Joe mate he was being sarcastic, don’t expect them to change overnight, although I admit that was him being closest to making some sense..

  79. prvhc

    Naija
    What you fail to grasp is that Wenger always had serious flaws in his style of management.His horrendous record against top coaches and in the CL show that.During the first half of his reign,he had the quality and character in his team to compensate for that.Even then,you could say the Invincibles didn’t achieve all they could.

  80. Marko

    Fekir has scored 18 goals the 3 seasons he’s broken through for Lyon far far less than Lacazette but he’s the striker? Nope. Also you said he was top scorer in Europe right before his injury 4 in 7 which I’d bet wasn’t the best in Europe. Fact is he could play striker much like Alexis could but he like Alexis isn’t a striker but Lacazette absolutely is

  81. N5

    “The lowest form of wit…?”

    No sarcasm is really clever! *see what I did there.

    Surely puns are the lowest form of wit?

  82. STV

    Campbell may be little limited in his skills but he puts 100% and never been danger to the team. I think Wenger was little unfair to him he deserves to keeo his place and needed to start little more than he does..

    Tunny

    My issue was with many first teamers Ideally we need to sell them collect some money and replace them with some required we quality while while clearing up squad place for some young players like Jeff Holding Iwobi etc..

    Anyway not gonna happen so bit pointless discussion.

    Cheers.

  83. N5

    Ashley are you being serious RE JC. If we’re serious about challenging which obviously we’re not so the rest of my comment is pointless, but if we were JC is not a good enough player.

    He’s a real hard worker and he seems to have a great attitude, but he’s no more that a calmer Frimpong.

  84. Up 4 grabs now

    Afternoon,

    What we need is three teams.
    Our first eleven, then there back ups. Then a third team of youths/promising youngsters.
    33 players In total.
    No one expects the first two teams to be made up of world class players, as keeping them all happy will never work.
    Chelsea and man city both tried this and ended up with expensive mercenaries.

    The first team needs to be rotated, and formation needs to be changed depending on who we play. The main problem is Wenger playing the same eleven in every game till there beasted and the same formation against every team.

    If you do that players get a rest and the second team stay happy.
    If by some miracle we are 3 up with 20 minutes to play you can bring on a youngster for a bit of experience.
    Players like Gibbs, jenkinson, etc are needed for rotation and suspension but not for 45 games a season.
    Not rocket science, but too much for Wenger to understand.

  85. salparadisenyc

    New day same shit.

    Wenger will do the bare minimum it takes, likely find ourselves at the top of the table at one point this season before a annual collapse and battle for champions league. Oxlade performing under no pressure, give me strength. Sanogo scored a hat trick in preseason, the season is an entirely different kettle of fish.

    Wenger has no excuse, he has the money and targets that could sustain the challenge. We all know he’ll go in short and well be punished.

  86. N5

    “N5 he’s more than a calmer frimpong mate..”

    I have been wrong on a player before (monreal) but this guy just seems to be a hard worker. I honestly don’t see very much else to his game. He’s not overly great on the ball, he’s not a great passer or shooter so what really has he got?

  87. kc

    Naija the Untold troll at it again. If you are an actual Gooner, you’re a disgrace. Enjoy your time here piss ant. You’ll be verbally assaulted with that horse shit you call an opinion once the season starts. Surprised Gambon hasn’t sent you home crying yet. You obviously don’t belong here, this site is for Arsenal fans with a clue.

  88. Joe

    Stv. Naija

    I knew he was being sarcastic. Hence me saying it was his best post ever

    Even being sarcastic it’s the only time he’s been right on here.

  89. Emiratesstroller

    Marko

    I repeat that Fekir started last season as Central Striker for Lyon.

    He is also described by Transfermarkt and FIFA as a CF , although it is true that he can play also elsewhere as winger, second striker and attacking midfield.

    The point I made is that Lacazette can also play on wing as well as the striker
    position and it would be possible to play Lacazette alongside Giroud.

    I repeat that Wenger will not demote Giroud, because despite all the negativity about this player there is quite a lot to his game which is well suited to EPL.

    The trouble with most of his critics is that they don’t actually study his game.
    For example they suggest that he cannot score goals against the big teams.
    Yet he scored in both games against Bayern Munich in CL and also against Man City in EPL.

    For a big man he has excellent touch and of course is one of the best scorers
    with his head. His major weakness is his pace and also he looks dreadful when
    he is overplayed and knackered.

  90. WengerEagle

    Paulinho is one of the best posters on here.

    On a side note, who said that Fekir was a striker?

    Chap is a RW/CAM, Lacazette has always been their out and out ST.

  91. STV

    N5

    Yes he wasn’t so great on the ball. Passing is OK but does assists and goals. Also relatively good tracking back compared to Walcott or Ox.

    You might check his time at Arsenal Olympiacos and Costa Rica. It’s very decent actually except he played very less in Arsenal.

    I think he’ll be OK as a 4th choice winger.

    Frimpong was a complete joke.. Totally useless player doesn’t have a career tbh or except in Twitter maybe..

  92. WengerEagle

    Cesc and Louis

    I do see what you are both saying, dropping him for Yaya Sanogo was another clear indication that he’s had doubts about Giroud but surely that makes it all the more damning that we are on the verge of heading into a 5th consecutive season with him as our CF?

  93. N5

    Ha ha STV, I was exaggerating badly when I said Frimpong just to be silly. But I agree with you, his tracking back shits all over the other people we have in that position.

    I was impressed with him at Olympiacos, other than that one goal he scored. And I’ve not seen anything of him at Costa Rica to really make a comment.

    I think Olympiacos he probably his level. I think my issue was that Ashley said there are 16 other teams in the league that would gladly take him and my point is…good let them as he’s probably more suited to a lower table team.

  94. STV

    N5 agree with your last part. But tbh we don’t quite know what he can do or can be yet. I can live with seeing bit more of him than our usual mediocre cohort of Ramsey Wally Willy and Chambey..

    Like being forced to watch a shit film 100 times..

  95. STV

    Also N5 I think hardwork is a very underrated quality in football. Ronaldo for instance epitomizes hardwork and commitment. I like players with great attitude..

    Ramsey was one such in 2013-14 what a shame. I like how Monreal is doing in past 2-3 years..

    Unless you’re like a Messi or Ozil, you always will have to put your best.