Could Rob Holding be the most important signing of the summer?

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Arsenal fan

What?

Too far?

Look, I’m trying my hardest to polish a diamond situation out of a piece of ‘fresh up on your foot’ turd here. We’ve made a signing from Bolton, it’s for a centre back / right back and it’s for £2.5m. I’m not going to whack skippy over here, but, I have rightly complained for years that we should be raiding the leagues in England for talent.

Who the f*ck was Wes Morgan until he became one of the best centre backs in the league last season? No one. How about a bunch of other also-rans that turn into pretty decent players. Gary Cahill way back when? People still say he’s a poor player, yet, look at dem trophies?

So, look, I’m all game for a small bet on an up and coming English player. He’s an U21, he made 30 appearances last season and was named player of the year. Pretty good going for a defender to take that accolade in a side that was relegated.

Hopefully he’s made of sterner stuff than some of our other British additions.

It’s banter though… but, I can’t complain. If we’d made this move ten years ago, we’d be sharing that irritating smug picture of Wenger right now. It’s just, well, you know… Wenger has made some pretty garbage signing like that. Carl Jenkinson, Wellington Silva, THE JEFF… they come, they go, no one ever says anything. Are Asano and Holding the rebirth of our scouting network? I hope so, because that group under the leadership of Rowley seem to have regressed… their transfer strategy for strikers over the past 4 years seems like that of a person who just discovered the internet.

Let’s see though. Don’t be judgemental. Let’s just pretend this summer is a new vision of Arsenal and how they go after players. I mean, actually, thinking about it, Xhaka feels to me like he could be the player everyone thinks Kante is going to be for Chelsea and Elneny seems an excellent player as well.

Still need some adults in the game. I think people forget that every summer we seem to go, ‘well, you need to sign those young players because they’re important and this feels like a new direction’… it’s really not, we’ve been wasting our time with average hopefuls for years now. Miyachi, Joel Campbell, that Portuguese guy who’d played 6mins in pro football in his life. This isn’t new, it’s watering the flowers as your house burns down. Well, it wouldn’t be if we ever got round to addressing the first team issue.

If we needed a hard-working wide player with an eye for a pass and a goal, we still need that. If we needed a striker 4 years ago, we still need one. Get moving Arsene and stop waiting on Benzema, he does not love you. He loves Madrid. Lukaku? Sturridge? Icardi?

I mean, I’d still be thinking about changing up our formation from our standard one that everyone can predict. If we have to work with what we have, why not play two up top and have a Giroud / Sanchez style going on. Maybe sign someone like Lorenzo Isigne of Napoli? He’s a right footed player deployed on the left, he can play everywhere in attack, would add flexibility to our front line. Maybe he could play the supporting role to Giroud in a two up top game?

I don’t know, throwing things out there… but if we can’t get what we need, let’s work out how we can create a system built around class we can bring in?

Bit too close to pragmatism right?

Anyway, that’s me done for today. HAVE A BLINDER.

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  1. Bamford10

    ‘but I don’t think that he can be accused in last
    three years of not buying top quality players.’

    Definitely not the point. He may have signed a quality player here or there, but he hasn’t signed as many quality players as we needed to have a top side, and he filled in the missing pieces with average to poor players.

    That he did the above is thus somewhat irrelevant. It’s like fixing half of your roof.

  2. freddylekgunner

    78m for Higuain, 40m for Icardi…i’d rather offer Utd 55-60m for Martial and see what they say to that.

    Why will Utd sell Martial now?

  3. Emiratesstroller

    Silverhawk

    I am interested to know what is myopic in what I have written.

    Do you for example think that Arsenal should pay the transfer fees being demanded for Higuain, Moreta and Lukaku.

    For example if you pay a transfer fee for Higuain of £70 million on a three year
    contract and then add a salary of not less than £150K pw you are spending on
    this contract £30 million per annum or almost 10% of our annual turnover.

    At the end of three years you will be lucky to get £10 million for this player.

  4. Moray

    Why are we always here at the same point every summer with people complaining there is no talent available or that it’s too expensive?

    It’s like wenger’s just arrived at the club. In fact he’s neglected to buy a proper striker since he flogged VP10. For years, he bought shit youngsters or cheap options ( which is why we’re stuck with Giroud). He failed to replace in time, which is why we paid Rosicky and Arteta to do fuck all last year and Flamini to come on and fuck things up).

    The fact we are now stuck at the mountain face is because of this. Wenger passed on Higuan when he was 30m. Now he’s 60m. He passed on exciting options like Dybala. Now he’s unattainable. He passed on expensive young talent like Martial (French, btw). He lost Suarez for a decent offer (maybe 10m more).

    I’m not buying it. I didn’t buy it last year, the year before or the year before that. So, Vardy didn’t come. He’s a gyppo prick. If there is really nothing better than Giroud why do we have fucking scouts…and what have they done anyway over the last decade? Raid Barca’s youth team? My baby Daughter could do that.

    It is not just the Arsenal management that keeps this fucking charade going, it’s the fans that out up with it blindly every year like its not happened before a hundred times…

  5. Bamford10

    Just to be clear what I’m saying above, signing one quality player in a window when you need three to four quality players is inadequate and ineffectual. This is what Wenger has been doing over the last few years. And please do not say this is a 3-4 year strategy: by the time you get to that third or fourth year out, you then need other players.

    It’s a strategy only for standing in place.

  6. gonsterous

    Heard all this hype about Mr. Robot, so I went to see the trailer.. I’m even more confused as to what the plot is !!

  7. STV

    It’s laughable to see Arsenal fans detest the idea of spending big on quality players. 10 years of Emirates culture is deeply rooted. we were left behind.

    Is there no going back ??

  8. Rambo Ramsey

    “Running towards an official to contest a decision;
    A yellow card for at least one player when two or more from a team surround a match official.”

    Mourinho won’t be happy.

  9. Cesc Appeal

    ES

    Probably not, but then they have Benzema, and I doubt they would have settled for a second rate ST for four or five years before addressing the problem.

    Wenger had a summer where he could have signed one of either Higuain or Suarez, he dithered on the first and we obviously made a pig’s ear of the second, those two players now are beyond us, both are levels above Giroud and now the former is out of Wenger’s price range and the latter is beyond our grasp.

    That’s just an isolate example of where our windows go so so wrong, at the time people were asking is Higuain worth it, no doubt people would have asked is Suarez worth £50 Million, people were asking last year is Aubameyang worth £38 Million, that Higuain was not worth the fee last summer…a player is only not worth until they are, and when they are, you can forget about Arsenal signing them.

    Honestly, trying to think of another top club who is as bad at transfers as we are, we seem to be practically rubbish at actually getting things done, occasionally we move quick like Xhaka, but most of the time our transfers are long, drawn out affairs with ups and downs, and before we even reach that stage there is no consensus, no plan, no coherence, because everything is at Wenger’s whims on that front, players, values etc, our own directors have literally come out and told us that, incredible stuff.

    We need modernising, more than we need a ST, or a LM/RM or whatever else, we need footballing infrastructure and a modern manager, no more total centralisation of power.

  10. Wallace

    STV

    “It’s laughable to see Arsenal fans detest the idea of spending big on quality players.”

    I think it’s spending big on average players that some fans are worried about.

  11. Silverhawk

    1. But I don’t think that he can be accused in last
    three years of not buying top quality players.’

    2. At the end of three years you will be lucky to get £10 million for this player.

    First you fail to add that in those 3years, Wenger failed to address the problem in the squad. He only addressed part of it which makes the signings on the whole irrelevant because they more or less were made to keep the club in the same position. No progress whatsoever

    Secondly, who cares about resale value? Is the money yours or Wenger ”s?? Definitely not. We are the only club that keeps looking at bank balances.

  12. salparadisenyc

    Icardi rumors make little sense to me, wouldn’t be the first time with a Wenger summer.

    Not sure how he goes from the very pacey Vardy to Icardi whose essentially a goal poacher that has little effect outside the 18 yard box with little pace with pretty poor link up play. Sound familiar?

    Don’t need two Oliver Girouds in the side, although Icardi likely has more in his locker than the frenchmen as he’s pretty lethal with both feet within sight of goal.

    Start of the window was hoping Wenger would bring in a forward option giving us a vastly different set of skills to L’Oreal. As it gets more desperate think we’d all be somewhat happy with Icardi. But one has to ask where is the plan?

    On another note the young Dembele that Dortmund landed from France this summer looks a serious talent. Everything Walcott and Ox were suppose to be. Pity we’ve not ties to France.

  13. BigCheese

    We have enough in this group of players to get champions league place. Hang there for one more season people. Then give the new guy the chequebook. He may dust it off and actually use it!

    Still think there’s a top manager somewhere in Wenger. His tenure can be split into 3 stages,

    Stage 1 – Revolutionary. Led from the front with fitness, scouting and developing players. Cumulated in the Invincible season.

    Stage 2 – Frugality. Stadium debts hamstrung our spending. 4th place was a minimum each to ensure debts paid plus selling players was necessary to help balance the books. Relied on Project Youth hoping they would see us through.

    Stage 3 – Decline. He’s got too comfortable. No one to answer too and acts like we still in stage 2. Which we obviously aren’t. It’s a mindset problem for him. He’s too comfortable and there’s no one to push him on.

    Stan and Ivan will never have a better opportunity to shift him on than this year.

    I’m sure there’s still a top manager lurking deep within Wenger. He just needs to move on and try elsewhere.

    It’s win win for him though. Say for example he goes to Madrid and spends 200 million in one summer and wins everything he’ll say “See what I can do with money”.

  14. Silverhawk

    Bamford10July 20, 2016 13:42:29
    Just to be clear what I’m saying above, signing one quality player in a window when you need three to four quality players is inadequate and ineffectual. This is what Wenger has been doing over the last few years. And please do not say this is a 3-4 year strategy: by the time you get to that third or fourth year out, you then need other players.It’s a strategy only for standing in place.

    Bless you

  15. Emiratesstroller

    RT

    Please tell me when a club in EPL spent £50 million on a 29 year old player let
    alone what Napoli are asking for Higuain.

    Pochettino has just pulled out of a deal for a 25 year old player, because he considers £25 million is too much for a player of that age. He wants to buy younger players.

    Frankly if you want to sell shirts you buy Messi or Ronaldo and not Higuain.

  16. Marko

    78m for Higuain, 40m for Icardi…i’d rather offer Utd 55-60m for Martial and see what they say to that.

    This stuff gets to me. We need a proper striker but we should sign a winger? Or sign Draxler and convert him to a striker? No let’s just buy a fucking striker. It’s only been fucking YEARS we’ve been crying out for one.

    Also Bamford basically summed up perfectly Stroller’s comment about Wenger’s signings the last few years. You could also say it’s like taking one step forward two steps back or going into a fight with one hand tied behind your back. I’d argue also he hasn’t had a brilliant transfer window probably ever

  17. Whitty

    Fuck resale value…

    Get the Hig for 60-70m and you have goals ….simple

    3 or 4 years of 25 to 30 goals a season and we win the league in that time then its money well spent yes?.

    If that pussy is not going to spent then FUCK OFF

  18. Cesc Appeal

    Rather offer £60 Million for Martial, funny, I remember ridicule last summer about that transfer.

  19. Whitty

    Paying all this money to watch fuckin holding and chambers snd that cunt wally cot

    Let’s rebuild Highbury ..

    I didn’t want this ..

    Wenger out

  20. ADKB

    I suspect the Xhaka deal was done so quickly because of M’gladbach rather than our speed. Wenger has often said World Cup and Euro years are difficult for doing transfer business.

    Well done for securing Xhaka but I’m afraid we’ve got an excuse already. We identified our target early and moved v quickly, we don’t buy because we must buy.

  21. Wallace

    Marko

    “This stuff gets to me. We need a proper striker but we should sign a winger? Or sign Draxler and convert him to a striker?”

    Martial’s the closest I’ve seen to Henry in terms of physical attributes and quality on the ball. you wouldn’t be up for the new Henry?

  22. Emiratesstroller

    Silverhawk

    I suggest that you read what I have said previously. I have complained many times that Wenger has left us short and indeed I have also suggested that there are situations when you overpay for a player, but what is being demanded for the three strikers I mentioned is well over their market value.

    Second it is exceedingly rare for any of the major clubs in Europe to spend in
    excess of £50 million on a player above the age of 25 so why do you think that
    Arsenal are out of psynche.

  23. Whitty

    Every Arsenal fan I know feel the same..

    FUCK ME.

    Wenger out

    Cunt better get a wc striker don’t give a fuck how much it costs.

    Next season ticket renewal I will offer to pay half see how them cunts like it.

    Tight motherfuckers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh

  24. Cesc Appeal

    BigCheese

    Completely agree with your assessment.

    Wenger rather got to like the frugality stage I think, the supporters lowered their expectations, he didn’t have to follow the big clubs in dealing out big money, fourth was made a trophy (which should really have indicated to us the club’s thinking as its only worth is financial) and Wenger is happy with that.

    I have always said, Wenger looks at a season and thinks ‘does my side have enough to get fourth,’ if the answer is yes, you can forget about big transfer moves, he does not approach a window in a proactive, ambitious type of way. History shows us that.

  25. Marko

    I think it’s spending big on average players that some fans are worried about.

    But we’ve been spending money on average players for years (wages certainly)

  26. ADKB

    I thought a football club should be more worried about winning games. Arsenal are more concerned about prices and resale values. It’s like Arsenal PLC rather than Arsenal FC.

  27. Rambo Ramsey

    “Heard all this hype about Mr. Robot, so I went to see the trailer.. I’m even more confused as to what the plot is !!”

    Haha, mission accomplished then! trailers are compiled to arouse curiosity after all

  28. STV

    “Martial’s the closest I’ve seen to Henry in terms of physical attributes and quality on the ball. you wouldn’t be up for the new Henry?”

    Martial is poor man’s Henry. He’s closer to new Lacazette than New Henry

  29. Wallace

    Cesc Appeal

    “Rather offer £60 Million for Martial, funny, I remember ridicule last summer about that transfer.”

    the price did seem crazy, for 2015 at least, but I was the only one on here pushing for Martial last summer.

  30. Silverhawk

    ES

    Which of the major clubs in Europe have not won at least a league title in the last 5years?? Arsenal are soo far behind in Europe it’s not even funny.

  31. salparadisenyc

    Martial is precisely what we should be after imo, stylistically.
    Financially the numbers have little bearing as its all gotten so mentally inflated.

    After most on here abusing United for that deal and cost could turn out to be steal if he lives up to the potential coupled with the ridiculous fees out there.

    Regardless they took a risk, a decisive one with Martial.
    Something I hope our next manage is willing to do.

  32. Marko

    Martial’s the closest I’ve seen to Henry in terms of physical attributes and quality on the ball. you wouldn’t be up for the new Henry?

    He’s not a striker though. People keep expecting him one of these days to be this world class striker but at Monaco and United he’s played as a winger. Why is that?

  33. Cesc Appeal

    Who is everyone’s top pick for the next manager? Fingers crossed we’ve only got ten months left of Wenger, so someone at the club should be thinking about it.

    Simeone is the obvious choice, but Tuchel and Bilic are the pair I’m keeping my eye on this year to see how they do.

  34. Marko

    the price did seem crazy, for 2015 at least, but I was the only one on here pushing for Martial last summer.

    I’d say that’s not true. No way anyone on here were calling for Martial. Sure he’s been highly regarded for a couple years prior but when he was at Monaco it was Carrassco and Bernardo Silva who looked better. Also United signing him was more out of desperation and hope than anything imo. They overpaid massively on a player in the hopes it’d work out and looks like it will.

  35. Emiratesstroller

    As I posted earlier Dybala or Martial would have been excellent buys even if we
    were spending money on potential rather than finished article.

    They would have been excellent back up for Giroud last season.

    Our failure to buy either of these players last Summer does need some explanation.

  36. salparadisenyc

    Marko

    Tough to compare anyone to Henry, but should be noted Wenger put Henry on left side when he signed him to Monaco in mid 90s before he got this canned which carried over to Henry’s days in Juve.

    Wasn’t until Henry moved to Arse that he was fully deployed in the CF role.

    Martial has time on his side, he’s 20 with a giant ceiling.

  37. Marko

    CA Tuchel for me even though I’d be ok with a move for Klopp still. Maybe keep an eye on some coaches in Spain Valverde maybe see how Sampaoli gets on in Seville. But yeah Tuchel seems obvious to me he’s young energetic unafraid to compete/buy players and from the same innovative school of thought Klopp is from.

  38. Cesc Appeal

    Marko

    Yeah, seems the standout choice, aside from the obvious but unlikely Simeone.

    Really stupid we missed out on every single one of the top managers that changed jobs in the last twelve months, Ancelotti, Guardiola, Conte, Mourinho and Klopp, tried for none of them.

  39. Emiratesstroller

    Just to put it in perspective of the risk in buying expensive strikers.

    Negredo was bought by Man City in 2013 for £23 Million. Last summer he was sold by them to Valencia for £20 Million and now he has been loaned out at age of 30 to Middlesbrough. In three years his value on open market is almost worthless.

    This was one of several strikers that I recall several posters on Le Grove thought we should have bought. Others included Falcao and Javi Martinez.

  40. Marko

    Yeah I just don’t get how if he’s such an obvious candidate for striker then why hasn’t he been deployed there the last few years? I mean Monaco had Berbatov and prior to Rashford looking decent United lacked a striker who looked decent

  41. Dream10

    Cesc Appeal

    Tuchel and Allegri are doing well at the moment. Although, I think Man Utd will hire one of them within the next two years. I don’t expect Mourinho to last more than two seasons.

  42. salparadisenyc

    ES

    “Others included Falcao and Javi Martinez.”

    Javi Martinez is holding mid.

    A player Wenger should of signed from Bilbao, although injury wise that may prove wrong. But what a player when fit.

  43. Ashley

    I like how everyone gets worried about the finances regarding higuain , but can we honestly say we would be that bothered about resale value if he came in and fired us to the title ? Surely the title is priceless and we should drop however much it takes to get it ? what would be our revenue increas if we got higuain in and we won the league ? Shirt sales prize money bigger sponsorship deals , surely spending it now means it’s worth it in the long run , you win things you attract things , are the richest clubs not the most successful clubs ? And to be succesful you have to spend a pound note or two ….

  44. Marko

    Yeah I thought at the time of the first FA Cup win how incredibly stupid it was of us to offer him a new deal and how incredibly selfish it was of him to accept. I mean we all know he’s gone sooner rather than later and that summer fucking Klopp and Ancellotti were out of work. I mean we had our choice and we blew it

  45. WengerEagle

    Has Sampaoli taken over Sevilla?

    Wow, fascinated to see how they get on next season, they’ve also signed Ganso and Franco Vasquez.

    Hopefully they can hold onto Gameiro.

  46. ADKB

    ES:

    Yeah, the market’s really tricky now – a few strikers who are grossly over-valued. Yeah, Sanogo’s a striker, he’s back, he has cost us £0 (real value) and at his age, has potential resale value. Great to have him back, eh?

  47. Marko

    Bingo Ashley. That’s the thing the current regime don’t get if we’re more successful on the pitch we end up making more money of it. I mean 70 million for Higuain is peanuts if it won us a league title for the first time in 12/13 years

  48. Emiratesstroller

    ADKB

    No Arsenal should be ruthless and offload their duffers in particular Sanogo.

    The point, which I have made consistently is that Arsenal need to be ruthless and decisive whether it is to buy or sell.

    Other clubs are very much better at it than we are, but that does not mean being reckless.

  49. EN1AFC

    Ashley

    Absolutely spot on. Re-sale value should not come into the equation when buying players for a club of our supposed calibre. Look at how Man united became one of the financial power houses, building upon success not earning money from selling their best players!

    Just yet another poor excuse from Wenger apologists imo.

    Imagine we bought Higuain for the £32m Madrid wanted instead of penny pinching. Or putting in a serious bid for Saurez instead of trying to be smart arses. Either one of those would of won us the league last year and possibly in 13/14. There’s Only one Arsene Wenger though eh…

  50. BigCheese

    Cesc – I’d take Howe from Bournemouth. Young, hungry and wouldn’t take his job for granted. Strictly as Head Coach though.

    Then we employ a top football director who oversees all recruitment and negotiations. Someone like Bergkamp who can double up as a coach. He’d know the football side and then learn the business side in no time.

    I’d go even further and overhaul our entire board of directors that have allowed the club to stagnate as it has. We need directors who understand football. Not carpet salesmen!

    There’s a consistent pattern of top teams having explayers on their boards or I’m director positions. We have none.

  51. BigCheese

    Letting Viera and Arteta go to City is unforgivable. Viera could have been the link to the past glories that young players aspire to and Arteta seemed to be influential off the pitch. He must know a little something of football if Pep takes him on board.

  52. BigCheese

    Allegedly Wenger is going to go big for a striker soon. Some ITK fella on Twitter reckons it’s massive.

    AFCAMDAN is the Twitter account. Seemed to know a lot about Vardy situation quite early….