What the hell is going on in the world? Terrible news about Jo Cox. Shot for her beliefs. You see it go on elsewhere in the world, but to have something that horrendous happen over EU membership is beyond the pale. So very, very sad.
Anyway, back onto something more joyful.
STICKING IT TO THE WELSH.
Thought our boys were fairly respectful before the game. Old Gareth Bale wasn’t so. I also thought the ESPN coverage was unfair too… the narrative of the ‘plucky Welsh’ was boring. But beautiful.
That Welsh guy in the crowd crying at 1-1 was beyond embarrassing… then in the 91st minute, Daniel Sturridge drops in with a big bag of goods and steals their moment of glory away.
AMAZING. ESPN, why did you not cut back to crying man?
Interesting that 2 years on from our last dismal showing at a major tournament, we’re still a side that lacks creativity and vision. Our system is turgid and uninspired. Our manager is pretty clueless too. He had a problem with an unproductive midfield not feeding his forward players… so he brings on 3 forwards?
That game was crying out for a Jack Wilshere to build play out from the back. Erick Dier is just a thug with limited skill, Delle Alli looks like a fish up a tree and Wayne Rooney looks like a fat old striker who has been asked to play in midfield in Sunday league because he doesn’t have the legs up front.
Still, Jamie Vardy scored a fox in the box like goal.
Aaron Ramsey looked pretty good playing a system that tried for discipline
I missed the French game, but it didn’t sound like Giroud had a good game. Payet though… so glad Wenger dropped a, ‘we thought about signing him too’ on Bein sport earlier. We said no because we were well stocked with similar talent.
SAY WHHHHHAAAAAAAAT!
Anyway, still no movement on the transfer front… so I’ll call it a day!
Catch you tomorrow you beautiful people.
Yo
D M where are you
First !!
The fact Roy thinks rooney should play in front of jack is funny. I thought delle was poor today
Hi
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Ohh crap..was about to start my trophy run…
I wonder why Pedro keeps praising Wilshere..He is overrated..The guy is not good at all and he is always injured..If it was up to me,he would be one of the first players I ship out this transfer window..giroud,walcott,chamberlain & wilshere would be packing their bags if I was Wenger..they have robbed us of so much money and game time..
Fat Wayne is keeping Jack out of the side. That decision will bite Roy in the ass. He’s not got the balls to drop his captain. Yet the pundits would have you believe that he’s playing a blinder! The same pundits who say English players don’t dive! Playing 30 yard passes beyond the touchline does not make you Pirlo.
Drop Wayne, Kane and Rose, bring in Jack, Sturridge and Bertrand. I guarantee you’ll see a more cohesive team. It won’t happen though.
Sauce- fair point. Just feel we need to find a settled team for the next round
Hope Loe doesn’t get excited tonight
” I can smell something fishy ”
Joachim Lol
New post mid game? screwed me up…. lol
Which Jack is Pedro talking about? The one that claim to be play for Arsenal? lol
Mid
Bam spent the whole game alone the other night ha ha
Haha Ozil got a card for telling the Ref… to F off..
Karim…. well thanx for telling me… I was starting to sound like Red… talking to myself.
No post about this season’s fixture list?
I guess that is kind of boring.
Pedro
For a change, I agree with you 100%
I really hope Wilshire gets a chance.
He can do the unexpected and is always looking to open up defences. With vardy and/or sturridge up front, we’d be more effective.
Buy the players arsene!
Hmmm well Germany had most of the ball but man do they look impotent. Draxler looks lost, Gotze and Muller have barely touched the ball anywhere near the box. Pretty boring half for the neutral… fan.
What type of man shoots a woman and mother 3 times and stabs her. Living in really sad times.
I dont get Arsenal fans with Wilshere.Even if he did by some miracle ever get fully fit i cant see him starting next season. He wont get in the team before Ozil Cazorla and Sanchez Iwould sell him now and use the money to buy a striker to play alongside Vardy who proved unlike Giroud he is a natural finisher
Has something about the MP attack been reported in the states that hasn’t over here. Checked both Sky News and the BBC News website and there’s no mention of a motive.
Was wondering where Pedro got his intro from?
Samesong
These times are no sadder than years ago John F and Bobby Kennedy Martin Luther King John Lennon all assasinated
There will always be mad men.And however bad things are now remember we didnt live in WW2 when 60 m were killed
That miss by Poland was criminal !! Won’t get many chances against Germany !!
Football needs to pull something out of basketball and have an illegal defense rule. It’s way too easy for a negative team to park the bus.
Marc
Apparently, he shouted something about Britain before running away, so that’s political.
Don
True.
Media reports, citing witnesses, said the attacker had shouted out “Britain first”, which is the name of a right-wing nationalist group that describes itself on its website as “a patriotic political party and street defence organisation”.
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Marc- Think Pedro was referring to this reported on Reuters news feed.
Marc
No news of any motive
Really sad news ,
Just makes you feel why ?
This could be the first 0-0
Don
Whilst not disagreeing with you todays news doesn’t come close to other recent events. It’s terrible that we live in a world where you can almost put a senseless attack into context against other horrific acts of violence over the last few months and think it could’ve been worse all too easily.
Karim – Midwest
Cheers guy’s – it doesn’t surprise me but it’s not being reported over here as yet.
Think it’s time joe hart was replaced by Forster in goal as well…
This Ref likes to hand out the yellows… be surprised if somebody doesn’t get sent off.
wow.. excellent tackle by Boatang.
These players have played a long hard season and then straight into euros Lewandowski would of buried that chance usually.
I shudder each time the camera zooms into Joachim’s dug-out
Draxler is having a pretty bad game… might be time for a change..
It’s always the same, the refs wanna make an impression, trying to look ruthless in the hope they’ll be selected for the next round.
The Turkish one is just the same.
The spirit of the game ?
Who cares ?
hmmm would have subbed Draxler.. but Gotze didn’t do anything either.
If i were the German players I would be reluctant to give the coach my hand. God knows where it’s been today !!
whoaaa airkick… lol
Ozil playing more centrally. Looking quite good.
My sort of gal 🙂
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClGWlYiWEAAeDK5.jpg
Lewandowski seems to be trying to single handedly win this one for Poland, not that he can’t. Really like his attitude and spirit ( damn, I sound like Wenger )
Lol @ Kwik… I bet. Your 2 for 2 today.
Kwik.. your browser history file…. must be interesting… haha
Gons
Did you almost sign him as well??
Germany need a player who can actually dribble past an opponent.
Hmmm hard to say there is a clear cut favorite for the tournament… looks wide open… then again I haven’t seen Spain or Italy play either.
Poland never looked like trying too hard. maybe for ten minutes. Just wanted the point. And Germany need a Striker, imo, their wing play was pretty bad, though.
Mid – Italy look the most assured team so far for me.
Defensively brilliant and very clinical going forward. With the back four of Juventus (Bonucci, Barzagli, Chellini and Buffon) they have an almost telepathic understanding.
Definitely the team to beat so far.
Are their any decent Strikers in this tournament??
The first goalless draw of the tourney, its just a matter of time though…The quality of this Euro has lesser than even AFCON
Alexander – they do. His name’s Reus but he’s a crock! Second major tournament missed in 2 years.
Waste.
The good news is I was able to stop myself from betting until the last 16. Otherwise….
Could the quality of the games be down to players being burnt out? Most of the elite players seem to be playing in 2nd gear.
Bale looks jaded.
Ronald looked leggy.
Griezmann looks tired and shot of confidence.
Half the Belgium team look like they’re missing the beach.
The Germans look knackered.
Apart from the Italians everyone looks fucked!
Still France, Germany and Spain are still the favorites for me in that order
Germany really having similar problems to England. Trying to play grossly out of form players (Draxler and Sterling) and trying to accommodate players just for the sake of it (Gotze and Rooney). Next game I’d like to see Sane and Shurrle start instead of Draxler and Gotze and play Muller up top ffs.
England can surprise though if they sort out some Spuds from the starting 11
Marko
Really do not like that whole Gotze at false nine thing.
Managers seem to be selecting players, not teams, big problem. Fingers crossed today might mean Woy has a think about selection, surely Sturridge must start against Slovakia.
Tournament will liven up at the knock outs
Knock-Outs is when the games get more negative than the group stages…
Red truth- oh well, that’s that then
Yeah Red’s spoken. Why bother with the euros
Wilshere is the midfielder england have for the past five years and up to now these spanish know what they are saying remem what pep,xhavi,carzorla,say about him. How can any true arsenal fan say wilshere must be sold ,some fans only think about instant improvement shame on you.when wilshere is fully fit even ozil and carzorla will have to squiz
Wilshere is the midfielder england have for the past five years and up to now he was england best player during qualification ,he won man of the match in majority of the game he play , these spanish know what they are saying remem what pep,xhavi,carzorla,say about him. How can any true arsenal fan say wilshere must be sold only his hater will have some thing about him ,some fans only think about instant improvement shame on you.when wilshere is fully fit even ozil and carzorla will have to squiz
Wilshere is the most overrated player in the fuckin milky way.. Today England won because Woy didn’t play Jack Wheelchair ♿
All my comments are still in moderation….c’mon guys..am a civilised human being…not vulgar in any way…..well
,not vulgar untill it comes to spuds
Red
Are u Red from Orange Is The New Black?
Jo Cox.
So, so sad.
I hope the Little Englanders and cunts like Boris, Gove, understand what they are unleashing for their own glory. Cunts. Total cunts.
We are better than this.
What do you think of the BBC feed?
Did they make an honest mistake with “Arsenal’s Jamie Vardy”?
Vardy turned Fox on the Run, to Fox in the Box.
Oh, why not
England, raining one day, German the next!!
I thought we’d lose against Wales today, they have a decent team and they are due a win … then when they scored and Bale gave it the biggun to the English fans I couldn’t be more happier to see them fucked like that in the last minute. Delicious. Bale, what an utter cunt …
International football has always been dire and defensive; look at Greece in 2004. What a fucking shambles that was. I don’t think the games (I’ve watched) have been too bad, but international football at this level is one of the worst adverts for the game there is …
Oh my my, Warriors, WTF happened to you?
3-3 now and Game 7’s pressure will be on you.
Warriors5 pulling an OKC melt. But the refa in the game were horrible. Hope the Cavs go on and win it.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2646780-examining-how-henrikh-mkhitaryan-would-fit-in-at-arsenal
Why do they do this to us, since it looks ever likely he won’t be coming!
Don’t feel sorry for Jack — he only got his place because he’s the coach’s favourite… and he’s played — what, 5 minutes?
If you were Danny Drinkwater how annoyed would you be that the guy who took your place isn’t even being played?!?
Leeds
Why would Drinkwater be miffed about missing bench time?
At least Wilshire is an offensive sub off the bench.
The author of the Bleacher Report is James from Gunnerblog. He has some connections to the Arsenal hierarchy apparently.
has anyone mentioned the bbc’s minute by minute coverage of the game in which they refer to ‘Arsenal’s Jamie Vardy’?
also thought that Lineker looked a bit stony-faced when they analysed the goal post-game.
Leeds
“If you were Danny Drinkwater how annoyed would you be that the guy who took your place isn’t even being played?!?”
Drinkwater should be angry with Jack for Hodgson not playing him?
The more things that p.ss off Lineker the better. Slagging us at every opportunity
Gutted about yesterday but England were the better team. Thank god Vardy and Sturridge didn’t start. I hope we don’t balls it up v Russia. They beat us and we’re out. England can do us a favour.
Looking forward to see Xhaka v France. He’s looked pretty good so far but France will be a step up. Love his long range passing. We’ll need some pace to make best use of them
Are we really interested in Mikhtaryan ? It could be all paper gossip and twitter bollox. It appear his agent ( ibramovich agent as well) is pushing him to manu
Horrible feeling we’re after a striker and defender and no more. That isn’t a bad window but should we get a wide forward as well it would be an excellent window and one we couldn’t really moan about.
rooney for jerk
That right forward spot will go to Walcott, Ox or Ramsey. That’s why i’m frightened of him not buying anyone for that position. Can you see him selling any of them ?
tunny
felt a little bit for you yesterday. still think you’ll go through.
seems like Dortmund have changed their minds about letting Mkhitaryan leave. worried about fan reaction after already losing Hummels & Gundogan, so they’re going to hold him to the last year of his contract and let him walk for free next year.
Samesong
June 16, 2016 19:41:15
What type of man shoots a woman and mother 3 times and stabs her. Living in really sad times.
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Someone who has a history of mental illness. It’s not the first time such an incident has happened and won’t be the last.
Pedro is utterly disgraceful in trying to link this murder to the woman’s beliefs. The left have no shame and are trying to use this tragic incident to smear anyone connected with the Leave campaign. It started whilst her body was still warm FFS.
The media in this country are below contempt. They’ve reported rumour as fact to try and sway voters.
Micheal
June 16, 2016 23:26:40
Jo Cox.
So, so sad.
I hope the Little Englanders and cunts like Boris, Gove, understand what they are unleashing for their own glory. Cunts. Total cunts.
We are better than this.
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Idiot. How on earth can you connect politicians who have been campaigning for one side of a referendum that was given by this government as part of the Tory party manifesto to this tragic incident?
Show us where any of them have incited any violence towards anyone. I can see from your post that it’s you that is intolerant, hateful and full of bile.
Jo Cox was murdered by a mentally ill man. To try and then place blame on other people for it shows a lack of rationality bordering on the sick.
It seems that today’s 24hr rolling news and social media attract the more emotionally charged person to start acting in a fashion they would never dream of in person. Grow up.
Nurse
Unfortunately the rhetoric used by both sides has been utterly disgraceful. It’s been about scaremongering and winding the population up for sudden armegeddon on both sides.
Will be interesting when the motive of this man comes out. There are reports he shouted ‘England first’ as he was killing her. We are starting to live in dangerous times.
A dad is trying to explain to his two young kids that their mum’s not coming back from work this morning.
Let them grieve in peace.
Just because she was a politician does not mean her death should be used as a political football… by anyone.
Tell those you love that you love them today.
Nurse
Do you not think that immigrants have been stigmatized by those in the leave campaign ? What about that disgraceful poster Farage unveiled yesterday ?
Linking this to football. Will all the foreign players need visa’s to play in this country ?
Woy is lobbing chicken bones in the air and seeing how they land. Should have done all experimenting before now. Maybe he will fluke his best line up
tunny
All guesswork here. I think we are interested in Mkhitaryan, but after Man Utd entered the conversation, we switched targets. According to Bild newspaper, Utd are offering Mkhitaryan 10m euros a year. More likely that we go after Mahrez at a more attractive price range (25-30m which is not a problem) and good wages (less than what Mkhitaryan would command).
Dream
Talk of Gotze as well. To be fair as long as we get a striker any one of those players would be excellent and a great window. Brilliant if we get a defender as well.
Which two of Walcott, Campbell and Ox go ?
AN
Well said.
If they want to fight the “hatred” that took her, they need to start taking mental health a lot more seriously.
Disgraceful behaviour from those using it to score political points.
I doubt Leicester would sell both Vardy and Mahrez to Arsenal at the same time, after all they got champions league too
tunny
A first choice right footed CB is crucial IMO. Apparently, Mustafi of Valencia is available at a cut rate price. We should be all over that. The few quality CBs are over 20m pounds. I doubt we’ll sign three 20m+ pound players in one window.
Think it will be easier to shift Campbell and Ox.
Arsene’s Nurse
I agree with what you have written.
As usual it is the media who are attempting to create picture that this was an
anti Europe attack.
Fortunately the Politicians have for a change avoided expressing an opinion.
Once the referendum is over I hope that we can refocus on issues like mental
health. The two gun attacks in last 7 days in US and UK raise serious concerns
about what is going on in our society.
Getting back to football matters I think that Mkhitaryan’s agent is attempting
to force Borussia Dortmund to sell the player.
He realises that the best way to achieve this is to create an auction so that BD are forced to sell him to highest bidder.
One suspects that Man Utd are willing to pay more than Arsenal both in transfer fee and wages.
I doubt that Mkhitaryan himself has actually expressed any opinion on his preference. This smells like “agent driven”.
Arsenal’s priority must be to find a striker rather than a winger/attacking midfielder. Personally I would offer Walcott in exchange for Sturridge. My only
concern is his health problems, but I have no doubt that he would be a far better fit than Vardy in our team. He is also a younger and more talented player.
Ems
Thing is mental health services have always been ignored and neglected over the last couple of decades. It has always been under funded and understaffed. Now with huge cuts what there was of the service has now been decimated. There are a lot of individuals that need help but none is available. More incidents like this are likely to happen.
Muslim shooter = entire religion guilty
Black shooter = entire race guilty
White shooter = mentally troubled lone wolf
Ems
A fit Sturridge would score 30 goals a season for us. Mind you I’dbe happy with Vardy and one of Mikhtaryan/Mahrez/Gotze
Dortmund may play hardball with him and make him stay. Depends how much fuss he kicks up. We could double his wages easily.
Still a long way to go in the window. Things will start happening as and when teams start getting knocked out of the Euros
Sturridge would disappoint if he did sign for Arsenal.
He is wasteful on too many occasions and his chance conversion rate is not at all good.
I thought the idea was to get in a striker ES that would score more goals than Giroud.
Sturridge was wasteful for England when he came on yesterday but his goal at the death will have no-one remembering him blazing shots over the bar when in good positions before his goal. What he is better at than Kane is running at defenders with the ball.
I see Hart has been forgiven for his absolute howler yesterday by some because they like his “attitude” . All that swearing in the tunnel gets him the thumbs up.
tunnygriffboy
June 17, 2016 08:04:22
Nurse
Unfortunately the rhetoric used by both sides has been utterly disgraceful. It’s been about scaremongering and winding the population up for sudden armegeddon on both sides.
Will be interesting when the motive of this man comes out. There are reports he shouted ‘England first’ as he was killing her. We are starting to live in dangerous times.
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Unfortunately we have a media in this country that is only looking for sensation. Why are the likes of Eddie Izzard allowed onto political debate programs? It’s for show, to get controversy and ratings.
I cannot believe how much the Establishment have scare-mongered and then threatened in this debate. The lowest was George Osborne and his budget threat. It’s been utterly shameful and left people bewildered. Leave haven’t been much better.
The reports were of the man shouting “Britain first”. However, there’s some interesting background to this claim. Maria Eagle the Labour MP and Shadow Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport, tweeted “attacker shouted ‘Britain First’ says eyewitness”, just 12 minutes after the attack. Note the capitalisation of ‘first’. It implies the far-right Britain First party who are the tiny rump of the old BNP.
She deleted that tweet last night when it became less clear that this was actually shouted. However, the job was done and this narrative was now in all the media putting the notion in people’s minds that this attack was connected with those wanting to leave the EU.
This morning the truth began to out:
A sign in a shop by the spot Jo Cox was killed states the claims that the gunman shouted “Britain First” are untrue.
The message in the landerette’s window says: “Please note, I did not tackle the gunman. And no one shouted Britain First at any time.”
LBC’s reporter in Birstall Bethan Davies spoke to Ahmed Tahir, the owner, who insisted he has not spoken to anyone who heard that phrase.
And Mr Tahir admitted he was worried for his safety after reports named him for making to original claim.
Source: http://www.lbc.co.uk/jo-cox-witness-says-no-one-shouted-britain-first-132375
So you see how the media have spun this and how it’s then been picked up by people who are now blaming people connected with the leave campaign. It’s utterly toxic. Whatever the vote I hope we can put it behind us and just get on.
Mental health support in this country is abysmal. It’s been that way for some time. We really do need to get our priorities right and put the money we have into the right places rather than wasting it.
Ishola
Sturridge can be greedy. He can score all sorts of goals though and can create a goal out of nothing. If he stayed fit he would score a shedloads of goals for us. We could look after him as well. Giroud is good enough to play in certain games and to give him a rest. The same with Vardy.
Wallace
That’s a fair shout.
Nurse
The thingis both sides have behaved appallinglyI
Nurse
Thing is both sides have behaved appallingly. Some of the rhetoric has been out of the gutter, the worse case scenario being pushed by both sides. The atmosphere is toxic and the public seriously divided. It’s worrying times.
tunnygriffboy:
“Sturridge can be greedy. He can score all sorts of goals though and can create a goal out of nothing. If he stayed fit he would score a shedloads of goals for us.”
As said he would disappoint you in the expectations you would have of him. I don’t care at this stage about players technique or dribbling ability I just want to see a striker at Arsenal that sticks the ball in the net on a regular basis when given a chance.
The only time Sturridge has scored shitloads of goals was when he was alongside Suarez.
He will disappoint as the main striker focus in an attack and he will disappoint you.
Ishola
We beg to differ 🙂
Seems like the bone of contention is really whether Jack actually gets an opportunity to start.
I think looking at things as they currently stand, the back 5 picks itself.
In midfield, you only got Dier who’ll do the defensive graft – so chances are he’ll retain his place.
Alli looks a shadow of his Tottenham-self, but it seems his knack of runs into the box is what’s keeping him in the squad.
Rooney, who apparently got MOTM against Russia is being shoe horned purely because he’s the captain, and in all honest he too is a bigger goal threat that Jack and a better passer.
Down to me id seriously consider bringing Jack in for Alli an have Rooney a bit more advance.
Arsene’s Nurse
I voted for EEC in last referendum, but I will vote Brexit next week.
My reasons are threefold and have absolutely nothing to do with Immigration,
although it does need to be controlled. Control means that people wishing to come here have a job and are being vetted.
My main concerns about Europe are:
1. Sovereignty and political accountability which is non existent in Brussels.
I guarantee that majority of voters in Britain don’t know who their MEPs are.
2. The fundamental changes which are being imposed on Europe by
unelected bureaucrats mainly from other countries. Britain is under
represented at commission.
3. Free Movement in 1970s meant travel between 7 member states [Britain,
France,Germany, Belgium, Netherlands,Luxembourg and Italy]. This
meant Holiday Travel, Business Travel and working for a Business in
another country. There was virtually no permanent resettlement at that
time as you see today.
The ” fear factors” generated by politicians and economists has been outrageous. Cameron in particular has blotted his copy book.
He offered a Referendum in last Parliament. Then made a Re-negotiation, which he was full entitled to sell to the electorate.
However thereafter he should have acted as a “statesman” and taken a back seat rather than the constant fear statements about economy, pensions and the kitchen sink.
If he was so concerned about these matters from outset then he should not
have offered a Referendum in first place.
Ems
Cameron and Osbourne have been like the chuckle brothers. If it wasn’t so serious it’d be laughable
As for Johnson, Gove, Grayling and Farage they have really ramped up the rhetoric playing on peoples feared
How any of these people could be anywhere near running the country is beyondme
We could have Boris and Trump as the leaders of the free world. Dear God !!!!!
Stroller
I am from the Far East.
Can the rest of the world get its act together as we are frightened to death of China’s attempt to place their boundary marker at our door step.
I supposed folks in Europe need to get worried about Putin as well. He is getting bolder. First half of Ukraine, next the rest of the eastern bloc.
The leaders of these 2 countries are reading the political climate very well. A Trump president and a fractured Europe is prime opportunity for them to take over as much territory as they like.
This isolationist thinking has the hall mark of a world conflict all over again. This time the stakes will be higher than ever before.
No Tunny. Stop scaring yourself into something that won’t happen and trying to make this vote about personalities. It is about sovereignty and self-determination – those sacrosanct things that should be held above anything else. We are in the last week before independence is hopefully once again restored to the nation and all you can think about is Boris and Trump.
There is only one vote that counts for and means anything. It is the vote to leave.
I like the way people use the word “isolationism” instead of “independence”. I suppose the other 180 odd countries who have full sovereignty are all isolationists.
Trying to make out that the UK is going to be “Billy no mates” after we leave. The remain side are completely irrational in almost all respects.
Jeff
You can be self-determined but it means nothing if you have no power to back it up.
We have sovereignty down here but it means wack if US decides to leave. If they go, we become China’s satellite states and become independent in name only.
I like the current world order where we do not grab each others territories and we just make $$ and bicker about more $$ or less $$.
But what Russian and China are doing is worrying. Give me the good old days of 1990s Japan where they try to take over the world with money. At least no one gets killed.
Jeff
The thought of Trump and Boris in power does concern me a little tbh. Leaving is about much more than Sovereignty and self determination. It’s everything that is thrown into it as well. I agree with those points but it’s what happens after we leave that I find worrying. We’ll have a divided country.
I agree with Jeff on political matters.
Britain is the second oldest democracy [after Iceland!!]. We have separation of
powers between Parliament, Administration [Civil Service] and Judiciary.
The latter two are not political appointments. The administration and judiciary is well trained and completely independent of Parliament.
Parliament does have its flaws. The Lords needs to be reformed. However the
House of Commons is elected every 5 years. If you don’t like the Government
you can vote them out.
In contrast the British Electorate has virtually no say in what goes on in Europe. Brussels/Strasbourg reminds me of Eurovision where this Country are
the funders of competition, but seldom get a result.
The promises made in the so-called agreement secured by Cameron are not
worth the paper they are written on. Three British Prime Ministers [Major,
Blair and Brown] signed up for Treaties including Maastricht and Lisbon, without consultation with electorate.
Can you visualise Jeremy Corbyn if elected Prime Minister not reversing what
Cameron has negotiated particularly if EU wants to create a European Army
and a Nuclear Free Zone?
Black Hei
Britain does have clout so long as we have a Nuclear Deterrent.
No country even the most powerful like Russia or China would contemplate going to war against another country, which offers that threat.
Black Hei,
If you’re talking about Japan (if that’s your home country), when you say “if the US leaves”, are you talking about US bases in Japan or some other military presence? If so, that is not the same as the EU. The European Union started off with a simple financial arrangement (between 6 nations first and more later) called the Common Market. Please look that up for full history of what it was and how it began.
However, that idea, through a series of treaties over 40 hears, has morphed into a fully fledged European Parliament headed by people who aren’t directly elected by the people of each nation, who pass more laws for each member state than the member states themselves and there is nothing the people can do to remove or challenge any of those laws. The EU is heading for a United Sates of Europe and when that happens there will be no going back. Most people in Europe bitterly oppose such an idea and I think more and more people are realising exactly where all this is going which is why I believe most will vote to exit the EU.
Tunny,
“You can be self-determined but it means nothing if you have no power to back it up. ”
I’m not sure what you are saying here. What power do we have when we’re in the EU? There is no power. Each of the wealthier nations cough up billions upon billions of tax payers money every year which is then disseminated to areas that those people have no say over. What power are you talking about? Any power that the UK did have previously has now been shared with the EU. By leaving, we will have full power to spend our own money the way our own elected government sees fit and will be free to trade with other nations as required without EU restriction. That is the power of sovereignty.
As said before forget about Mikki from Dortmund.
His agent has been on British radio Talk Sport trying to get him a move to Man Utd.
“Henrikh Mkhitaryan wants to go to Manchester United and we are still trying to resolve the situation”
Finished. Over.
Jeff
“Each of the wealthier nations cough up billions upon billions of tax payers money..”
works out at 30p per day per person.
“and will be free to trade with other nations as required without EU restriction. That is the power of sovereignty.”
63% of our current trade is with the EU(45%) and the US(18%). both of those deals we’ll have to renegotiate on less favourable terms. which countries are you figuring on us making up that shortfall with? China? check out the deal the Swiss just made with the Chinese – China gets free access to the Swiss market immediately, in return Switzerland gets access to the Chinese market in 15yrs time. and most think that’s a good deal.
Wallace,
You sound like an advert for Littlewoods – just 30p per week!
You still keep going on about the economics of it. I have already said that by far and away this is about sovereignty and self-determination. Today, the bureaucrats pass a law that you are OK with. Tomorrow they may pass one you’re not OK with. What are you going to do? There is fuck all you can do about it. That’s why we need to leave before they really get us by the short and curlies and create a federal European state. If you can’t see that this is where it’s all leading towards and all this bullshit about trade is just a huge smokescreen, more fool you.
United with no Champions League football are a bigger draw than Arsenal.
“Henrikh Mkhitaryan wants to go to Manchester United and we are still trying to resolve the situation”
Pretty fucking sad to be honest.
Big loss if Mhkitaryan is pushing for a United move, great signing for them if hey make it.
We need to move on now, so crucial we get a RM/LM playmaker as well as a ST, because as of right now we don’t have a wide playmaker at all.
Gaitan looks set for Atletico as well today.
“We need to move on now, so crucial we get a RM/LM playmaker as well as a ST, because as of right now we don’t have a wide playmaker at all.”
Gotze for me, still only 23, £25-30m would be ideal.
Cesc,
Doesn’t this further expose the unfortunate truth that being a big “ambitious” club trumps being in the CL?
Ishola
“Sturridge was wasteful for England when he came on yesterday”
Complete nonsense. He skied one shot over, yes, but good strikers sometimes do this type of thing in an effort to do something great.
Sturridge created danger and chances from the moment he came on. Great player — one who helped to change the game and who scored a fantastic and cheeky winning goal.
Cannot believe you are trying to criticize him. Not that you had any credibility anyways, but whatever you did have, it’s all gone now.
That United are a bigger draw despite not having CL football is precisely what we were saying previously in connection to Vardy making us wait a month for a decision.
Ten years of being an irrelevant and inadequate also-ran under Wenger has taken its toll on Arsenal’s image and standing in world football.
Jeff
“If you can’t see that this is where it’s all leading towards and all this bullshit about trade is just a huge smokescreen, more fool you.”
apologies, I did economics at university. worrying about the trade aspect and it’s implications just comes with the territory.
Bamford10:
“He skied one shot over, yes, but good strikers sometimes do this type of thing in an effort to do something great. Sturridge created danger and chances from the moment he came on. Great player — one who helped to change the game and who scored a fantastic and cheeky winning goal.Cannot believe you are trying to criticize him. Not that you had any credibility anyways, but whatever you did have, it’s all gone”
Ha ha you are a funny guy Bam – Bam. And you yourself have credibility on here?
Sturridge skied over the bar more than the once yesterday. And fantastic goal? Hilarious. He got lucky when the ball directed straight back from a deflection from the defender. You make your own luck so good luck to him but to describe the goal as fantastic is complete nonsense. Nonsensical!
The main point is that it seems many Arsenal fans think that if Sturridge signed he will score loads of goals for Arsenal. The only time Sturridge has scored a healthy amount of goals was when he was a secondary striker playing alongside Suarez for one season. There is no indication at all that he would be this goal machine as some think as a main striker . He is wasteful and his chance conversion rate is not good. That is not even looking at his dodgy injury record.
He would disappoint as a main striker signing.
Why am I such a dick? I could’ve just said to Ishola that he has it wrong re Sturridge. (And let’s be clear: he does have that wrong.)
My apologies to you, Ishola. No need to say you have no credibility, even if we disagree on many things.
You do have it wrong re Sturridge, though.
Cheers.
Ishola
Wrong. His game-winning goal was a goal-scorer’s goal. Drove with the ball directly at Welsh defenders in the box and struck the ball with his toe (basically) because he didn’t have time or space to do anything else. Very instinctive, very smart. Top, top class.
Cheers to Daniel Sturridge. All of England today sings his name.
Bamford10:
“That United are a bigger draw despite not having CL football is precisely what we were saying previously in connection to Vardy making us wait a month for a decision.Ten years of being an irrelevant and inadequate also-ran under Wenger has taken its toll on Arsenal’s image and standing in world football.”
Nonsense!
What’s with this bigger draw nonsense!
You are talking as if Dortmund have had two identical bids put in by both Arsenal and Man United.
Arsenal are not even in the picture in this one. All it took was to see some quotes Mikki said in the past about Arsenal, the realisation that he was in the last year of his contract and some ropey Arsenal ITKs giving out false info to have some believe Arsenal were seriously after this player.
“He skied one shot over, yes, but good strikers sometimes do this type of thing in an effort to do something great. ”
What if they keep placing wayward shots? Say over 16 games?… 🙂 That explains it doesn’t it… maybe Giroud was saving himself to do something super special for this tournament!!! 🙂
Note to Arsene and Giroud defenders… it’s a joke. 🙂 (Just to save you the bother of mounting a spirited defence).
Don’t quite agree with you there Bam. Sure we’ve been mediocre or you could say consistent in stagnation but United have been if we’re honest shite since Fergie left. If Mkhitaryan is pushing towards United it’s most likely his agent’s doing (a nice fee) or most likely we shit the bed and got scared off by another team. I’m not buying your rhetoric about us being a bit of a joke in European football. I mean we are in terms of how we’re run just not how you’re saying. Besides I think it’s been established Vardy not signing more to do with timing and the euros no?
“Buy the players Wenger please ”
Talking to The Wall
who won’t and like any wall will just be an obstruction.
Berlin wall was pulled down. Why not this one ?
In Wenger we Rust
Talk of selling half the team and getting Mithk… to playing alongside Vary is wistful thinking since our Imbecile has not been able to get Vardy. For him Arsenal with 4th place ambition is only a last resort it appears. So if we sell Willshere, carzola, Ozil you can be sure we can only get some broken-back replacement
Anyone in the Ukrainian team we could use — since they are the first team out? Just asking? 🙂
Wallace
June 17, 2016 09:05:10
Muslim shooter = entire religion guilty
Black shooter = entire race guilty
White shooter = mentally troubled lone wolf
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@ Wallace:
Bang On Point Sir!
Thank you for your post
If Mkhitaryan does go to United and I hope to fuck he does not at 27 he’s taking a bit of a career gamble with United. Absolutely no guarantee they make champions league football next season or the season after with the way the league is looking. Gonna be an absolute dog fight for top4 the next few years
Marko
You’ve missed the point.
One, yes, that’s right: United remain a bigger draw DESPITE being awful for several years now. That’s the problem. That you or others think Arsenal should be the bigger draw doesn’t change the fact that we’re not.
Two, I’m not saying we’re “a joke” in world football — though it isn’t far from that; think of the Bayern players’ response to drawing us in the CL — but we don’t have the standing that some supporters imagine we do, and we don’t have the standing that United, City or Chelsea have, despite their problems.
Bamford:
“My apologies to you, Ishola. No need to say you have no credibility, even if we disagree on many things.”
No need for apologies Bam-Bam. It’s all cool. It’s just a football forum. No worries.
That you or others think Arsenal should be the bigger draw doesn’t change the fact that we’re not.
You haven’t explained really ever how we’re not. Except for spouting off about Giroud and Wenger for the millionth time what would make us so unattractive in the eyes of footballers in europe. Playing with Ozil and Sanchez in the champions league or in a 60,000 seater stadium in a beautiful city while being well paid isn’t an attractive offer? I suppose they just look at Wenger’s substitutions and 4th place finishes. Fact is 9 times out of 10 if a football player like say Mkhitaryan was seeing that you were willing to pay 20-30 million for his services he’d jump at the chance of joining