Ozil would like some new players. Have we been here before?

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Why not?

He would like some new shoes also.

If you were following Arsenal through the dark mid to late 2000s, you’ll know there was generally a pattern to players leaving.

  • Rumour of unrest hits papers
  • Player denials ensue
  • Player comes out and says Arsenal need to reinforce
  • That doesn’t happen
  • Player leaves in mega money deal

That little routine appears to be unfolding for Ozil like it did for many before them. The only difference this time is Arsenal actually have the power to go out and buy the players Ozil ‘thinks’ should be coming in.

But look, players don’t get the inside track on new players coming in. Wenger keeps the goss close to his chest, because players have big mouths. So really, Arsenal players watch the summer unfold like you or I.

… and look. Big misconception is players worry about competition. There’s nothing they love more than turning up to work in July knowing there are 2-3 superb additions to the setup that failed last year. Signing players isn’t just good for the fans, it’s good for the morale of the training camp.

If Arsenal rolled into next season with John Stones, Granit Xhaka, Pierre-Erick and Mario Gotze… people would be pretty damn happy everywhere. Chances are, that won’t happen, but hey, a man can dream, right?

One interesting point I was shooting the breeze about this morning was our British core issues. Is the issue that the players weren’t good enough? Or is the issue that the players aren’t taught properly?

Alli and Kane look unreal at the moment… Theo and Chambo look terrible. The Spurs players are being trained under a man who instills a beastly work ethic into his men… Wenger doesn’t really do that and it’s a bit of a miss. Are our training methods still at the cutting edge of development?

When players now have to be smarter than every tactically… does the focus on technical ability lose it’s edge… because being good technically in a bad system doesn’t appear to have huge amounts of benefit at the top end of the game?

Anyway, worth floating it out there… have a great day!

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  1. peanuts&monkeys

    Sanchez should leave too. these are talented and skillful players who have been amongst winners not by chance but by their talent and ability. Arshavin was finished off by Arsenemotherf$%îngWenger’s mediocrity. Cesc could barely save himself (he shd have left at least a year before). Ozil and Sanchez shd both leave. so will the only other WC player arsenal has: Koscielny.

    Wenger will again start minding the flock of goats and donkeys and the loser English fans will keep flocking to the stadium paying the highest price for the most boring football of PL.

    Losers Losers. Arsenal fans are the biggest losers that they put up with this for sooo many years.

  2. peanuts&monkeys

    GoonerSamMarch 30, 2016 00:39:13

    Colleagues and fellow Arsenal Supporters. Please accept my sincere apologies for being critical of Mr.Wenger and pleading with the Powers of the Universe to get rid of him as Head Coach of Arsenal.

    I should have offered Mr .Wenger a job in my local pub to wash the dirty glasses and to clean the toilet.

    It was very unfair of me to suggest that the poor man should just leave English Football without a follow up job to go . I’m very sorry, Mr. Wenger. You are quite qualified to work in my local pub. But please, please, please don’t have anything to do with professional football. I know you are fluent in a number of languages. That means you can tslk crap and bollocks in all those languages. So please, for heaven’s sake,stay well away from our beloved Arsenal Football Club.

  3. peanuts&monkeys

    Dishwasher Wenger should have at least known Kante and Payet. Both were playing for French lower level clubs – the prize catchment area for Area. Both are French. Both speak French.

    Was Dishwasher not even aware of these players? Or, were they too expensive even at 700K and 4-million for Arsenal?

    Replacing the waste of space Ramsey with Payet and brining in Kante could have won Arsenal by now. Wenger Dishwashing cunt!

  4. peanuts&monkeys

    Dishwasher Wenger should have at least known Kante and Payet. Both were playing for French lower level clubs – the prize catchment area for Arsenal. Both are French. Both speak French.

    Was Dishwasher not even aware of these players? Or, were they too expensive even at 700K and 4-million for Arsenal? Replacing the waste-of-space Ramsey with Payet and brining in Kante as CM could have won Arsenal the league by now. Wenger Dishwashing cunt!

  5. boy dio

    oh relax gents, wenger will go when he wants to~
    thankfully the bank balance will be healthy when he does, state of the squad pending but there’s always some crop of youngsters that will look like they could fit the bill

    I get it, it’s frustrating seeing a lack of an attempt to become truly elite, and any big player signings are only made when the squad looks unlikely to get that ucl spot…but hey, it’s not like you don’t know it’s coming

    just sit back and enjoy the yearly round of the emirates theater, you might know how the story ends but it might just be the year it ends differently (with the same cast of course)

    gotta say i do think walcott’s poor season, along with the pending rebuild in midfield with flamteta and rosicky aging, along with the bfg aging, might force arsene’s hand in the transfer market…but then again there are the youngsters out on loan, not to mention bielik and chambers, and the forever threatening to have a breakout season oxo chambo on the books, so perhaps the bank will be kept safe for another season (not even gonna mention the emerging talent of iwobi)

    its times like this i’m glad i can just disconnect from ye olde emirates theater (est. 2005)
    merchandise is choice though, so is the occasional good display of football against any random opposition, sucks there’s no consistency though

    random question, does our season pan out any differently if cazorla and le coq don’t get injured?
    i don’t think it does really, goals inevitably dried up and i can’t imagine the team remaining defensively solid even if all our defensive players stay fit.
    and it needs to be said, sanchez is a form player, not world class, has buckets of flair when on form though

    have a good day le-grove, don’t let the standard emirates theater ending get you down

  6. Ughelligunner

    Gambon creaming his shorts over leceister and totenham players lol. Playing the worst dutch side ever who lost to Iceland, Czech, turkey lol. Guess what, the dutch side were also young and energetic with lots of EPL runners matching England runners.

    Arsenal British core have been where these current England players are now, it only takes 2 years max.
    I see only Red as the more sensible WOB who doesn’t cream himself over the next sounding simba.

  7. Ughelligunner

    And guess what, no WOB came out to run his mouth against arsenal loons like they did when this totenham boys won against a sleep walking German side.

    By the way, i see many AOBs making statements like they are abandoning all things arsenal if wenger signs again. May i ask, does this include staying away from le-grove and you all would stop telling us how the predictable future of arsenal would be if wenger remains? Or you would keep switching the goal post from they won’t make top 4, to they won’t win any trophy, to they slip again from the top spot in January, to they will never win the league?

  8. Jim lahey

    @Ughelligunner – ” Or you would keep switching the goal post from they won’t make top 4, to they won’t win any trophy, to they slip again from the top spot in January, to they will never win the league?”

    We won’t win the league again under Wenger… that is pretty evident. What in the last 12 years has lead you to believe we could?

  9. Ughelligunner

    Townsend, Jenas, Defoe, lenon, wright Philips, Carroll, help me out pls, i am forgetting the so great strikers that have kept out walcot, and he is still here. Where are the rest?

    As average as walcot is, he isn’t going to make the Euros like the previous times he didn’t make it, but after England has left the tournament like arsenal always does in Europe, the rest will leave, another set of runners would take their place and walcot would still be here. Lol

  10. Phd007

    Jim laheyMarch 30, 2016 07:44:50
    @Ughelligunner – ” Or you would keep switching the goal post from they won’t make top 4, to they won’t win any trophy, to they slip again from the top spot in January, to they will never win the league?”

    We won’t win the league again under Wenger… that is pretty evident. What in the last 12 years has lead you to believe we could?
    ——————————————————-

    Blind faith??!

    Or maybe being brainwashed??!!

    Heck,if you truly believe Jim,under Arsene all things are possible.He is the messiah..We will in the CL under him too..Just watch ,wait and see.Ye of little faith..

    Gaga,Gaga=Arsene,Arsene..

  11. Ughelligunner

    I always tell Man utd fans and England fans that their most important player in Rooney isn’t worldclass. All his time at man utd whilst winning trophies, he always had great strikers partner him. The only year he played as a striker alone, they didn’t win with fergy, he had to bring in Van Percy on injections.

    Rooney- Tevez-Ronaldo-Berbatov-van Percy, Chicharito (heh somebody always have the gust to say Fergy had an average team, not forgetting all the match fixing by refs and English managers).
    At major national competition he faulters for his country and they haven’t learn anything. This summer, it will be the same. Lets watch out.

    France, Belgium, have younger Energetic seasonal players too. No hope

  12. Ughelligunner

    The Wobs wax about leceister and totenham players making the English team ahead of arsenal loons, but they forget that the brain work behind the two teams are not English players. Are the WOBs that dense to trust this lots that could’nt even make the semi finals of their Thursday competition yearly like Arsenal?

    Ok, i think wenger manages totenham on thursday’s with their wage bills higher than that of their counterpacts in the league, no wonder they are always out.

  13. Wallace

    Bild – Madrid offering 70m euros + Morata for Aubameyang.

    if anyone was bothered enough to watch it, how was Bazoer last night?

  14. Jim lahey

    “Ok, i think wenger manages totenham on thursday’s with their wage bills higher than that of their counterpacts in the league,”

    We are Tottenham’s counterparts… they’re ahead of us in the league..

  15. Thank you and goodnight

    @Ug

    Seriously who gives a flying fuck about England? I’m interested in Arsenal, an Arsenal fan who wants the best for Arsenal. Wenger has turned us into a laughing stock in England and in Europe, with fellow professional footballers openly mocking us. Sooner that cunt wenger fucks off the happier I’ll be and we can get back to being a football club as opposed to a demented man’s play thing

  16. gambon

    This summer will be an embarrassment for Arsenal.

    Lots of money, big transfers, big wages……then us years behind the big clubs as always.

    We are still paying 2010 wages right now.

  17. Jeff

    It is a fair assumption that if Wenger does buy anyone in the summer, he’ll go cheap and cheerful again and hail them as potential world class. We’ll falter and fall at the usual times and places, finish fourth (although I think it will be even less likely next season than it is in this one) and the AKBs will be jumping for joy once again.

    We’ve been using the same script for 12 years and it is Arsene’s intention to wheel it out again for season 13 owing to its insatiable popularity among the brain-dead followers he drags around with him like a carcass.

  18. Arsene's Nurse

    peanuts&monkeys
    March 30, 2016 04:27:42

    GoonerSamMarch 30, 2016 00:39:13

    I should have offered Mr .Wenger a job in my local pub to wash the dirty glasses and to clean the toilet.
    ———————————————————-
    Mr Wenger built that pub and don’t you forget it!

  19. Up 4 grabs now

    Not to sure about that list relevance now Jeff.
    Except finding out Theo is on 30k less than we thought.
    It says we are paying bellerin 10k a week and is out out of contract at the end of this season.
    I know him monreal, coquelin and Campbell all got new improved deals.
    One thing I did notice if true, is we are only paying 10k to chambers would thought he would have been on more especially for a 16 million transfer fee.

    Does koz and mertesacker still have only 1 year left at the end of this season?

    Also we have a lot of players needing to either be sold or contracts extended this summer if we want to avoid being held to ransom summer of 2017.
    Giroud
    Ramsey
    Mezut
    Alexis
    Wilshire
    Chamberlain
    Gibbs
    All have 2 years left at the end of the season, that’s a lot of players to be renegotiating with especially as we need about 5 more players coming in!!!!

  20. Black Hei

    “Thats a good deal for both clubs!”

    And Benzema is so excited to play 2nd fiddle. Maybe Wenger can finally bring that thug over. Though I am not sure if it is a good idea with a court case hanging over his head. Just look at Adam Johnson.

  21. Up 4 grabs now

    Aubameyang wants to play for Madrid but also says he’s happy playing with Dortmund which is why he’s just signed a new deal till 2020.
    We should have moved for him at the end of last season, but typical Wenger a year to slow.
    Did the same thing with griezmann as well.
    Wouldn’t want benzema now after giving us the brush off when linked with us, and like you say a court case as well. Still need a striker though.

  22. Jeff

    Up 4 Grabs,

    I suppose the main point is that unless we sell quite a few players and free up their wages, we’re not going to be able to buy any world class ones this summer because that will push the wage bill even closer to the other big clubs in the league. I’m not saying we can’t afford it, but I’m sure Wenger won’t want that wage bill going much higher than it is already so the overall conclusion is that it’s not looking very likely that he’s going to splash out on big names in the summer. We need to get rid of at least 5 players to free up their wages.

    If we do go into the next season with more or less the same as we are now, our sacred position of fourth will be in real danger and that in my view is Wenger’s biggest fear. So next season (once again) is going to be defined by what he does in the summer transfer window but he will find himself between a rock and a hard place because fourth will not be a foregone conclusion.

  23. Up 4 grabs now

    Jim,

    Guy was a legend. Would kill to have a second striker like him now.
    The ultimate pro. Just finished reading his autobiography the guy was just top quality, it was an honour to watch him live and how he doesnt have a place coaching here I will never know.

  24. Up 4 grabs now

    Jeff,
    It’s good reading, and gives us a better idea of our wage bill.
    I honestly think we need to go big this summer just to maintain 4th (that’s how far we’ve fallen, just to keep pace)

    If he lets Rosicky, flamini,Arteta,debuchy,and hopefully Walcott and Chamberlain go/sell. That would be a Saving of 475k a week.

    But it’s all the players coming into there last 2 years that need negotiating as well could be the problem.

  25. Up 4 grabs now

    If Madrid are keen to go for Aubameyang. I’d make a move for isco and Rodriguez that transfer fee would be enough to cover his.
    We get two major upgrades and they get there next galatico

  26. Emad

    You have not mentioned anything yet about the absolute mess both CEO Tom Fox and director Hendrik Almstadt have caused at Aston Villa.
    Were these two really that good? How did Arsenal employ two obviously very inadequate senior staff members.
    Maybe all the ballsing up of deals is not all solely AW? Between them they spent 70m+ on a lot of rubbish and Villa have been all but relegated.
    Should Ivans other hires be closely looked at?

  27. gambon

    We wont be signing Xhaka. Fans have been calling for him for a while, which is a guarantee that Arsene isnt interested.

    Arsene will sign a freebie, 14 year old , one legged goalkeeper from Namibia and turn him into a DM before he goes and buys a “popular opinion” solution.

    As for Isco & James, no thanks. Isco is everyting thats wrong with Arsenal. Good technique, easy on the eye, no end product and no real position.

    We are in real need of 2 strikers, a right midfielder, 2 central midfielders and a centre back. Not to mention backup full backs.

    Isco is none of the above.

  28. STV

    Peanuts lol Wenger will claim he built that pub after 5-10 years of employment. You will struggle to get him out and your every day life become traumatic.

    Stay away from giving him any employment out of compassion.

  29. STV

    Whatever shotcomings isco have, still a much better upgrade to cazorla, and theres a good chance madrid would let him go this summer.

    With wenger in charge you are not going to get the ideal players anyway.

  30. gambon

    No chance.

    Isco could never do the job Cazorla has done for us the last 12 months.

    Coquelin, Isco, Ozil would be such a lightweight midfield. We wouldnt stand a chance of winning the big prizes.

  31. Jeff

    Up 4 Grabs,

    Yes it’s like a big house that’s fallen into disrepair and getting worse with every passing season. A couple of years ago he did the kitchen and the bathroom as in Ozil and Sanchez but the roof still leaks, the walls need pointing, the rafters have rotted and there’s more weed than lawn in the garden.

    Can’t do it all at once and in one summer – to much. Didn’t do it in phases either, so it’s now a question of which is worse, the water getting into the house every time it rains or the roof collapsing any minute.

  32. Up 4 grabs now

    Gambon,

    Maybe Cisco isn’t what we need but like stv said santi will need replacing sooner rather than later, would be nice to be ahead of the curve for a change.

    Yes your right we do need more, isco and Rodriguez can play on the left or right though and are upgrades on what we have now.

    I’m with you we need a striker but who is gettable in arsenes world?
    Zlatan for a season? I wouldn’t want to be putting 250k a week into a 34 year old who needs pace to play in the premier league and Doesn’t have it.

    Midfield wise we have a stack of them that aren’t great, they all need moving on, and I just can’t see Arsene doing it.

  33. Jeff

    STV,

    Yes it’s a bit like that with Wenger. It’s not so much about what we need but more about what available and is he cheap. Take last summer for example. Everyone and his dog knew the biggest priority was a backup to Coquelin followed closely by a top striker. What did he buy? A goal keeper. Yes, we needed a good keeper but it wasn’t the priority was it? So there you have it – whatever is going cheap and nobody else is bidding for him, Arsene’s in there.

  34. gambon

    Up4Grabs,

    Obviously while Arsene is still here we will continue to disappoint both in the PL, CL and the transfer market….so its pointless having any hopes until he leaves.

    What we need to do is simple.

    In order of priority:

    – We need 2 quality strikers to replace Theo and Giroud. Not one, but 2 players. No point buying one top striker, only to have our whole system fall apart when he’s injured or needs resting. We create a lot of chances, we just dont take them. We have missed more clear cut chances than any team in Europe this year.

    – We need 2 new CMs. We basically need to upgrade our CMs to elite level. We currently have a bunch of good players, none of whom are elite level, hence why they all earn under £100k pw and most of them arent starters for decent countries. Both need to be top class passers (90% completion) and high rate passers of the ball. One more a tackler (DM) one more a B2B player. Coquelin, Ramsey, Cazorla, Elneny can be squad players.

    – We need a right sided midfielder, Someone creative and technical to take over Cazorlas creativity if we replace him with more of a standard CM. And someone to take the creative load off of Ozil. Also someone that can play at #10 when Ozil is rested/dropped. This could also be a left sided player and we move Sanchez to the right side.

    – We need a CB, someone that can start and be our main man defensively. Kos and Gabriel doesnt work, Mertesacker is getting too old and is pretty shit.

    – We need new RB and LB. Debuchy wont be coming back, and neither Chambers and Gibbs are good enough for a top team.

    Doing the above will give us a much better balanced team, and will give us a far higher chance of winning the PL than whatever Arsene has in mind.

    Even if Arsene stayed and did the above (which he would never do), we would still not win anything, because he would play people out of position, run people into the ground, refuse to rotate, build a culture of laziness and his incredible ability to bottle it would rub off on the new players.

  35. gambon

    And I would definitely be trying to get Zlatan.

    £250k per week? Who cares, its not my money.

    Giroud has done OK in the PL with no pace, and Zlatan is literally 3 times the player Giroud is.

    Give him a 2 year, £10m pa contract.

    I would be looking at Lukaku, Kane (yep), Aubemeyang, Lewandowski, Benzema, Higuain, Dybala, and doing whatever it takes to get one to Arsenal.

    Wenger on the other hand will just go with Walcott and Giroud again, because he doesnt give a fuck about winning. For Wenger, coming 4th is some marvel of acheievemnt.

  36. STV

    Cazorla wasnt suppoded play as a cdm anyway and unlike others I dont think he did a tremendous job there. He was okey but we need 3 new players out of 5 midfield positions. Elneny and even Ramsey can be good back up. I am not fa of duminitive and fragile players controlling the midfield.

    Isco can be a great addition he can play attacking mid or as winger and would link well with ozil. He was not only easy on the eye but also effective playing for madrid especially under Ancellotti.

  37. Jeff

    Gambon,

    Going down that list of wages, the highest on there is 140k pw. Wenger is on 163k pw which means there is an absolute top ceiling of 163k above which no player will go. He won’t pay anyone more than he gets so Zlatan at 250k pw is out of the question in my view even if he came for free.

  38. Wallace

    gambon

    “Doing the above will give us a much better balanced team, and will give us a far higher chance of winning the PL than whatever Arsene has in mind.”

    so…

    top quality strikers – 2
    top quality central midfielders – 2
    top quality right-sided midfielders – 1
    top quality CBs – 1
    top quality full backs – 2

    and you think that’ll improve us? dunno man….

  39. Dissenter

    gambon,
    I agree that Zlatan is worth a £250k weekly deal since he’s coming on a free transfer. He gives the squad character and quality immediately.
    He’ll whip all the babies in line as well.

    …let’s stop dreaming though, His personality is too big for the docile manager.

  40. gambon

    Cazorla is typical of what Arsenal have been doing in recent years.

    We arent prepared to go and sign the lite players, so we buy very good players, with some facets that are elite, but flawed players.

    Cazorla is both elite in some areas (passing, creativity) and flawed in others (defensive, physical)

    Until his injury, he had the highest passes per game, and was the only high rate passer with a completion % of over 90%

    That is important, the best teams in the world have elite central midfielders.

    However we need someone that can do this, but also track runners, cover for gaps in midfield and not get overawed physcially as Santi sometimes is.

    This is escpeciialy important when you have a number 10, rather than a 3 man midfield.

  41. Shaun Wilson

    Numerous erudite posters on this site have enumerated the reasons why Wenger must go. It is blindingly obvious to anyone who does not have a financial reason to maintain there fealty to the old overlord, that he is moribund, a spent force. So…. How does keep clinging on? Why does he? It is the stuff of nightmares…

  42. Carts

    AlexanderHenry

    “Ex players such as parlour, known, seaman and wright have come out in support of him as has usmanov. Wright’s recent comments are the most illuminating. He said blame should be attributed to Kroenke and Dick Law.
    Wrighty’s right.”

    Even if we were to examine Wright’s comment closely, anyone can see that it lack cohesion. My question to Wright would be, “why should blame be attributed to Law and Kroenke, exactly?”

  43. Ishola70

    Jeff:

    “Some surprising statistics there. I didn’t think Sanchez was in the top ten dispossessed players.”

    Mahrez was mentioned in there as well and he has been one of the revelations of the EPL this season.

    Those stats are only telling us that the players mentioned are the go-to players of these certain teams. So I have no idea why these stats are stated in a negative way and why they are seen to be of any interest tbh. But we are in the times where stats of any kind are related to us even if they are in many cases irrelevant and other times just plain misleading. The American style obsession with sport stats has been with us for quite a while now and most of it is pap.

  44. Jeff

    “How does keep clinging on? Why does he?”

    Shaun,

    That’s easy. Because fourth is and always will be enough. Nothing more is expected or required. Any other top manager who actually wanted to win things would have left and gone somewhere else by now if he thought he wasn’t given enough money or clout to win big things. The only logical conclusion is that Wenger is more interested in having the freedom to run his own personal football experiments than he is in winning anything of note. That’s really the short and tall of it.

  45. Carts

    Zlatan to Arsenal would be a solid signing, and a genuine show of intent. But it’ll never happen, no way on this earth. He’ll go Utd I reckon.

    I’d go all out for Lukaku. I expected him to make noise and now it’s started. £50m would represent good ROI for Everton.

    There’s going to be a massive Centre forward merry-go-round, starting with Zlatan >/< Cavani . I think we'll see Griezmann and Lukaku both move as well. I think if Griezmann leaves Costa will go back to A.Madrid.

    Arsenal need to be in the thick of things when it all goes off. I'm just concerned by the amount of damage Wenger has done, which could prove even more difficult for us.

  46. Jeff

    Ishola,

    I agree those players are go-to players but at the same time I do find those “dispossession” stats interesting because those players have team-mates who would be just as likely go-to candidates and yet they’re not on the list. For example Sanchez is sometimes accused of not releasing the ball and therefore eventually losing it – so that makes sense. Perhaps the players like Aguero and Kane can also be accused of the same thing.

    I would still have Aguero as our front man rather than Giroud though without question.

  47. Red&White4life

    I keep a bottle of champagne in the fridge, can’t wait to celebrate the new contract of le mighty specialist in failures next summer
    (lol ?)

  48. AW is Christine Lagarde In Drag

    Agree we need elite players for the first team and some international-class back ups. What about, instead of Isco, who AW probably wouldn’t go for anyway, Sofiane Ferghouli who is apparently available on a free transfer?

  49. Ishola70

    Jeff:

    ” I would still have Aguero as our front man rather than Giroud though without question.”

    Ah there are many you would have in front of him and Harry Kane now is a leading striker no doubt.

    If you want to get something from those stats then you can see that Kane as well as scoring the goals is the fulcrum of that Spurs side. Impressive.

    Arsene FC need a Harry Kane. Not good to say but true. Like others I think Welbeck is a good all round player but it has been said a thousand times he is not going to hit the back of the net enough times over a prolonged period to be topping any goalscoring chart.

    Arsene may well think that he can spread the goals around the team to make up for not having a prolific goalscorer the total football line but nine times out of ten you need that top scorer to win an EPL title.

    Harry Kane may be the main reason we do not see Arsenal finishing above Spurs this season and if that happens any indecision or lack of action on Wenger’s part in not going out and trying to remedy a lack of a true goalscorer next season would be inexcusable.

  50. Phd007

    WallaceMarch 30, 2016 11:25:07

    gambon“Doing the above will give us a much better balanced team, and will give us a far higher chance of winning the PL than whatever Arsene has in mind.”so…top quality strikers – 2
    top quality central midfielders – 2
    top quality right-sided midfielders – 1
    top quality CBs – 1

    top quality full backs – 2and you think that’ll improve us? dunno man….
    ———————————–
    Wallace seems incredibly scared of change-positive change.That would vastly improve us,as mentioned by Gambon.

    I guess you are a creature of habit-Wallace.Happy where we are.Bit like Arsene-non??

  51. Jeff

    Ishola,

    I don’t normally start to talk up players until I’ve seen them for a good few years and they have maintained their consistency. That’s why I don’t talk about players who are currently doing well like Vardy, Kane and Mahres and the simple reason for that is that I have seen wizardry go as quickly as it comes. Only players like Henry, Vieira, Bergkamp for example deserve to be put on a pedestal because they were proving their worth season after season.

    That is why I would prefer us to buy seasoned, established players who have a track record to fill those needy positions. I know they are more expensive and I know they are few but we need at least a couple of those types one of which must be a striker and the other an alternative to Coquelin/Elneny. And also we will be short at the back as well given that Mertesacker is getting on a bit. The team has been neglected – no doubt about it.

    There is of course nothing wrong with buying up and coming players and taking a gamble (like Fabregas and Van Persie) but they are even more difficult to unearth unless you have an excellent scouting team and a manager who isn’t also the supreme leader

    But you know, we say all these things on here about this player and that player but we all say it with only half a heart. We know Arsene never listens to anyone or takes advice and we also know he has an ego bigger than Everest – too old and too proud to change his ways. So soon as we start talking about players, we are all pissing in the wind because 99.99% of the time it will never materialise. All bucks stop with with Wenger – and that’s the problem.

  52. Danny

    Arsene FC need a Harry Kane
    ———————-
    Not for me. I’ve only seen Kane play 4 or 5 times (mainly against us) and to me he’s incredibly selfish, it must be a pain to play with a player like that. Alli too, another selfish cunt. I remember at school playing with pricks like them – never passing, only going for glory every bloody time.
    This is the difference between Kane and Henry. Henry besides being a goal machine also was an assist machine too.
    That reminds me, Bale was/is a selfish cunt too.
    Must be in the Scum dna.

  53. Carts

    Wallace

    you’re actually right when you question would those player improve Arsenal. The answer, from a personnel stand point, is YES. Team would consider us a harder task, on paper!

    But the bigger issue is that Wenger doesn’t seem to do well getting the best out of our crop collectively.

    I mean, from an individual perspective, stats would look like Ozil’s ‘chance created’ stats. but then they could also dip and mirror that of Sanchez’s recent form.

    Changing the manager is paramount!!!!

  54. Ishola70

    Thought I would put some football tips on here for any posters that like a gamble as talking about Wenger is pointless as he is the albatross around the neck that will not relent until he dies off of his own accord.

    All bets under 2.5 goals:

    ASEC Mimosas – Sewe – Côte d’Ivoire League -1.40
    Olympique de Safi – Wydad – Morrocan League – 1.30
    Aucas – Ind. del Valle – Ecuadorian League- 1.62

    Prices taken from Bet365 online. £10 stake on treble pays back just under £30. Usually have a bet on a bigger accumulator bets but a bit late in the day and missed some earlier kick-offs. See how these three get on and will post bigger accumulators in future.

  55. Louis Almeida

    Xhaka is an amazing player and would be very welcome at Arsenal. BILD only gave it a sentence in their columns though so if they assumed it was a done deal surely they should’ve given it more credence. I would take the news with a pinch of salt although this news has been going on for a while and the player himself has said he’d love a move so it may be true. I don’t want Wenger to manage a player like him though. Then again he’s probably gonna say that Wenger was the reason he joined. As annoying as Wenger is he still has some influence in pulling in decent players when he wants to.

  56. DUIFG

    Jeff Neither were anywhere near fully fledged superstars, unless you are PSG or real its nearly impossible to base a complete transfer policy on buying genuine tried and tested stars

  57. gambon

    Red-gimp

    Its more about the partnership than the individual players that make an elite midfield.

    Veratti-Matuidi-Motta is world class. Busquets-Iniesta-Rakitic is world class.

    Fernandinho and Yaya was, Yaya is now on the downward slope, so you will see that Midfield change next season.

    With ozil in the side, you need a more conservative central pair, although one player still needs to be able to get forward and support.

    My choice would be Martinez-Gundogan as a pairing.

    At the moment our best pairing is Coquelin-Cazorla, by an absolute mile. But its still a flawed partnership. Coquelin has the defensive work, but struggles in posession, particularly in Europe. Cazorla has the passing and the technical elements, but is short physically, gets bullied and isnt quick enough over longer distances.

    The best idea would be to try and get 2 up and coming world stars, that wouldnt cost Kroos type money but could make the jump up.

    Xhaka-Rabiot would be my choice in that scenario.

  58. Jeff

    DUIFG,

    You may have misunderstood the gist of what I was saying. Basically, we need players like Viera and Henry now but after they had become established. Ozil and Sanchez would fit that description, so not so impossible as you suggest.

    This season if the rumours are true, Xhaka has an excellent track record and so has the likes of Lewandowski and Aguero as an example. But I doubt they’d even entertain the possibility of coming to Arsenal. What I don’t want us to do is take a punt on cheap nobodies in key positions that may or may not work because since Van Persie, our record in unearthing gems has been totally abysmal. Our own academy hasn’t produced anything to write home about either. But we all know those types of players are exactly the sorts that Wenger is least inclined to go for.

  59. Alex Cutter

    ” I’ve only seen Kane play 4 or 5 times (mainly against us) and to me he’s incredibly selfish, it must be a pain to play with a player like that. Alli too, another selfish cunt….That reminds me, Bale was/is a selfish cunt too.

    Must be in the Scum dna.”

    Or, you’re just dim?

  60. Carts

    “Bild reporting that Le Senile has secured a deal for Xhaka for £35m…”

    Something seems really off with that report. It actually smells of panic again, but a good signing nonetheless.

    So that leaves us with:
    Xhaka
    Ramsey
    Elneny
    Coquelin
    Santi
    Wilshere

    And of those 6, I’d imagine 3 would play at any given time, which if is the case, means we’d have to go 3 up top which renders a #10 (Ozil ?) redundant?

  61. champagne charlie

    Gambon

    “Coquelin, Isco, Ozil would be such a lightweight midfield. We wouldnt stand a chance of winning the big prizes.”

    Pretty old fashioned approach to reduce it size and strength. Technique trumps strength 99% of the time, who are the powerhouses in the Bayern/Barca/Real/Atletico midfields?

    Xhaka-Elneny
    Isco-Ozil-Alexis

    That would be a VERY exciting, dynamic, industrious midfield. NOT likely however as those two additions would cost north of 60mil alone and that’s without addressing our ST issue which is an absolute MUST for me.

  62. gambon

    champagne

    When did i say it was about size & strength?

    Ozil, Isco, Coquelin wouldnt work cos its so unbalanced.

    Isco has no discipline, Ozil never tracks back, so you would have huge gaps in between Coquelin sitting too deep and the other 2 pushing too far up.

    This team would be absolutely terrible at building up play from deep the way the best teams in the world do.

    Thats what I mean by lightweight.

  63. Leedsgunner

    If we finish this season without the title (despite being top in January lol, as if that matters now), we will have become the London equivalent of Liverpool… a big club that likes to talk about how good they were in the past all the while ignoring their deficiencies in the present.

    In fact, I would go as far as to say we’ll be in worse shape than Liverpool going forward. This summer, Klopp will be eager to spend and to address his team’s weaknesses… he will spend and be active in the transfer market.

    Wenger? He doesn’t think his team has any weaknesses. We have COHESION remember?

    Despite his team being 11 points behind the league leaders and Tottenham second in the league, he thinks all the criticism of him has been “unfair.” because in his mind we are still fighting for the title.

    He asked to be judged in May, but he really knows nobody at the club will hold him to account. He doesn’t care if he’s judged or not.

    It’s more likely that Liverpool will win the title under Klopp in the next three years than we will under Wenger. Then you know what? The screeching will be unbearable, because they will never shut up.

    In three years Wenger will still give the same excuses for why he hasn’t won the title. The same type of injury prone players will plague us. The same questions will go unanswered from the fans.

    It’s very depressing isn’t it?

    Ps. Best wishes to Mr. Rocastle’s family (for tomorrow) as Gooners everywhere remember his passing. He might be gone from the field, but he will be forever in our hearts.

    Definitely a player that bled red and white…. oh how we could use him and his fire now!

  64. champagne charlie

    Gambon

    It’s typically what’s understood by the term “lightweight”. Unbalanced and lightweight are totally different but nevertheless I fail to see how you can name 3 of a 5 man midfield and call it unbalanced.

    Add the other holding man in the shape of Elneny, or a new arrival like Xhaka/Kante, and the base is solid. Then an attacking 3 of Alexis/Ozil/Isco is terrifically well balanced seeing as Isco often comes inside to beef up central interplay.

    I would opt for a Xhaka-Elneny CM and drop coquelin altogether. Both put in the defensive work, and are disciplined at it more importantly,while they both are terrific distributing and making space to build from the back.

    Sorry, don’t see how you draw those conclusions. You have to decide what Arsenal are, because you can’t be defensively sound AND brilliant in attack – pure fallacy whoever thinks that. It’s a case of balancing. Barca are average at the back but overpower that aspect with superior possession and technique with the ball. That’s more how we should be operating but we’re somewhere in the middle where we’re not totally solid and not very potent.

  65. Red&White4life

    “(despite being top in January lol, as if that matters now)”

    Trust me, for wenger, it matters lol

  66. gambon

    champagne

    Firstly i was debating with someone that advocated swapping in Isco for Cazorla, who as you may not know, plays in a 2 man pivot for us, so I dont know what the fuck you are talking about.

    Sanogo and Carlton Cole would be as lightweight as it could possibly get up front, yet they are physical monsters.

    Secondly, you absolutely can be brilliant both defensively and in attack.

    The team that wins the PL almost always has the best attack, and almost always has the best goal difference.

    The best format to be PL winners is to have the best attack, and a good defence (top 3 in the PL).

    We currently have neither.

  67. gambon

    Elneny hasnt made a single tackle in 3 PL games since he joined Arsenal.

    I dedinitely wouldnt have him in our first team next season.

    Coquelin, Elneny & Ramsey should be our second string midfielders.

    Wilshere doesnt actually exist anymore as a person, so I wouldnt count him.

  68. Louis Almeida

    Also Elneny does a lot of defensive work. Just because he doesn’t dive about lunging like Coquelin doesn’t mean he’s not being effective. When you’re strong positionally you don’t always need to make challenges. I think it was Xabi Alonso who said going to ground to tackle should only be a last resort. Interceptors > destroyers IMO

  69. gambon

    Louis

    In his last 3 league games, Xabi Alonso has made 4 tackles,

    Elneny 0 tackles.

    Alonso may not favour tackling, but at least he does it.

    I genuinely dont know how its possible to play 3 PL games and not make a single tackle.

    You genuinely have to be completely hiding to do that.

    Not a good sign.

  70. champagne charlie

    “Elneny hasnt made a single tackle in 3 PL games since he joined Arsenal”

    Oh good, at least we’re using a solid sample to make judgements, 2 games and a 20min sub appearance are a great benchmark. His Basel days he averaged over 2 tackles per game and 2 interceptions. He had 3 tackles and 2 interceptions vs Barcelona
    too, but we’ll ignore that so we can undercut his ability to defend.

    Gambon

    RE: Isco’s positioning, no I didn’t realise the context you were discussing him in (as a pivot), I wouldn’t have him there either. However, pretty easy to simply say you were discussing him from that point of view in response to my very first comment rather than retort like a precious prick a few down the line.

    Fact is he can. So can Xhaka. Which is why a CM pair consisting of those two would be capable defensive shields and a very good technical base for building attacks. We’re flirting with the idea Coquelin is a fucking machine in DM again, I’m not going to bite on that one, his place is the bench if the team wants to go places.

  71. Rambo Ramsey

    *Just because he doesn’t dive about lunging like Coquelin doesn’t mean he’s not being effective. When you’re strong positionally you don’t always need to make challenges. I think it was Xabi Alonso who said going to ground to tackle should only be a last resort. Interceptors > destroyers IMO”

    do you realise how utterly clueless you look with this comment considering Coquelin made epl record breaking interceptions recently

  72. champagne charlie

    Rambo Ramsey

    Well Vardy equalled the premier league consecutive goal scoring record this season too, but I reckon most would still have Aguero. Stop the hero worship via arbitrary stats, Louis Almeidas point is fair and considered, it’s not an attack on coquelin.

  73. Rambo Ramsey

    “Stop the hero worship via arbitrary stats”

    Says the guy who was whipping out stats only in his last post. was that you hero worshipping Elneny? Clown. think for a minute before posting

  74. gonsterous

    Nice pr story arsene.. deal for xhaka has been struck.. hahaha.. good one.. bet the AKBs will eat this story up and the line for the new season tickets will grow longer and longer.. good job.. more champagne ??

  75. champagne charlie

    Rambo Ramsey

    You have any toys left in that pram? If you can read then you’d see I wasn’t hero worshipping anyone, just answering Gambon who was trying to make concrete assertions based on the number of tackles in 2.5 league games. Is challenging a claim hero worship? That’s new to me.

    You on the other hand threw a fit at Louis because he referenced Coquelin when talking about defending smartly. Oh and your handle is a dick ride to Aaron Ramsey yet you’re commenting about hero worship….. the fucking irony is palpable.

  76. Rambo Ramsey

    gonsterous, exactly what I was thinking. Arsene and his band of merry men in the boardroom really know how to pull the wool over gullible fans. talk about con-artists!

  77. Rambo Ramsey

    “If you can read then you’d see I wasn’t hero worshipping anyone, just answering Gambon who was trying to make concrete assertions based on the number of tackles in 2.5 league games.”

    Lol you thick clown, what difference is there in what you did and I did. Louis opinioned that Coquelin was reckless unintelligent tackler while Elneny was this genius interceptor who reads the game. I was merely pointing out the fallacy there.

    try letting go of that superiority thing you’ve got going. seem to do that a lot on here

  78. Cesc Appeal

    Just to strike up a conversation, went to the game yesterday and met a lot of Arsenal fans, seemed to be everywhere, interestingly they all wanted Wenger gone save for one guy on the Tube who said ‘its the board’s fault,’ but couldn’t expand on that.

    But had a conversation with a few of them about major squad changes and what they would be happy with.

    So, would you sell Ozil, Walcott and Caz, if it meant altering the set up to say a 4-3-3, bringing in say Kante, Xhaka, Draxler/Gotze and Morata/Higuain/Aubameyang/Lukaku?

    I mean obviously a different manager, but set aside the fact we’re lumbered with Wenger, just as fan…

  79. Rambo Ramsey

    “So, would you sell Ozil, Walcott and Caz, if it meant altering the set up to say a 4-3-3, bringing in say Kante, Xhaka, Draxler/Gotze and Morata/Higuain/Aubameyang/Lukaku?”

    Who’ll be the creator?

  80. champagne charlie

    Rambo ramsey

    “Elneny does a lot of defensive work, Just because he doesn’t dive about lunging like Coquelin doesn’t mean he’s not being effective.”

    Where’s the part where Louis “opinioned that Coquelin was reckless unintelligent tackler while Elneny was this genius interceptor who reads the game”??? Think you’re just making shit up frankly to stoke an internet argument.

    Most sensible people reading Louis’ comments no doubt understood he was merely pointing out their difference in STYLE while stating it doesn’t make Elneny much less effective. But hey, that’s just me being ‘superior’ I’m sure in your eyes. Troubled little soul aren’t you pal, you probably get all riled up in an empty room too if I had to guess.

  81. Jeff

    I can just imagine in a PL game next season when Xhaka is playing for the opposition and scores against us Wenger will take credit for him in the post match interview saying “I near signed him”. LOL.

  82. Wallace

    champagne

    “Sorry, don’t see how you draw those conclusions. You have to decide what Arsenal are, because you can’t be defensively sound AND brilliant in attack – pure fallacy whoever thinks that. It’s a case of balancing. Barca are average at the back but overpower that aspect with superior possession and technique with the ball.”

    yes, agreed.

  83. Rambo Ramsey

    “Think you’re just making shit up frankly to stoke an internet argument.”

    that would be you. You seem awfully concerned for Louis too. don’t worry, I’m sure he can speak for himself

    what difference in style is it? for a seemingly reckless style kind of a player, I wonder how Coquelin still beats Elneny in interception numbers

    ” Troubled little soul aren’t you pal, you probably get all riled up in an empty room ”

    Lol okay then

  84. underrated Coq

    I’ve always wondered where this notion of Coq being a reckless player who lunges in at every opportunity comes from. A bit of analysis will tell you intercepting opposition play is one of his strongest attributes. He’s also one of the cleanest tacklers in the PL with a low rate of foul given away per game .

    But then, I suppose that doesn’t suit the agenda of certain people.

  85. underrated Coq

    Rambo Ramsey, you’d be better off banging your head against a brick wall than get into a debate re Coq with Charlie. Gambon re Ozil and Redtruth re most football players are other debates to be avoided 🙂

  86. Wallace

    Carts/Phd

    I wasn’t questioning gambon’s assertion that signing 7 top quality players would improve us, was just amused gambon seemed to think he was splitting the atom or something by suggesting it.

  87. wenker-wanger

    If I were ozil I would ask wankger if he is going to remain next season, and if so tell him that I would be leaving. The man is a severe obstruction to success. Ozil knows it just like rvp knew it.

  88. champagne charlie

    Rambo Ramsey

    “that would be you. You seem awfully concerned for Louis too. don’t worry, I’m sure he can speak for himself. ”

    Not at all concerned for Louis, that’s the aspect you’re completely missing here, I’m talking about something he said related to Arsenal. He made a reasonable point about Arsenal and you’re having a pop at him because YOU interpreted it as being disrespectful to a player I can only assume you love (coquelin). It was nothing of the sort but that’s not stopped you from cursing at him and then me. Grow up.

    “what difference in style is it? for a seemingly reckless style kind of a player, I wonder how Coquelin still beats Elneny in interception numbers”

    AGAIN… the fact you’re conjuring the idea Louis considers Coquelin reckless is the point you’re oblivious to. He didn’t say that, he effectively said Coquelin does his defensive work more visibly than Elneny but he doesn’t think that means he (Elneny) isn’t defensively capable.

  89. gambon

    Wallace

    If its such an obvious idea then why does Wenger, not to mention his cheerleaders like yourself, try and find any excuse not to invest in better players.

    All i hear every year is how luck, refereed and injuries are the reason we dont win anything.

  90. Rambo Ramsey

    dear oh dear, along with being a hypocrite someone painfully lacks any form of self awareness.

    lets see now, I think my ‘cursing’ extended to the words “clown” and “clueless”. against that you got ” If you can read “, ” your handle is a dick ride”, ” you’re making shit up”, “Troubled little soul you are, probably get riled up in an empty room”

    but yeah, I m the one who needs to grow up.

  91. champagne charlie

    Gambon

    Not being funny mate but how can you have a pop at fans for backing Wenger yet come out and say you would be looking at strikers like Harry Kane….

  92. champagne charlie

    Rambo Ramsey

    Oblivious. Sums you up frankly.

    Can’t argue a point to save yourself, now you’re moving on to measuring comments that are ALL responses to your initial venom. Time wasted on you.

  93. Wallace

    gambon

    “If its such an obvious idea then why does Wenger, not to mention his cheerleaders like yourself, try and find any excuse not to invest in better players.”

    fuck knows…a world class player in every position would be nice, and i’m sure it’d be a goer in terms of points accumulation, just wondering why no one else has thought of doing it.

  94. wenker-wanger

    Expect the charge for third place now….. Its wankgers glory period. FCK up the season then show some form at the end. Akbs lap it up and untold will repeat wankgers continued champs league entry. Its mediocre shite, way below the level of a club boasting the best financial muscle(potentially), and access to world class players by virtue of the champs league involvement.. fcking boring tedious and like receiving the same shite gift every Xmas.

  95. Rambo Ramsey

    ” your initial venom ”

    from grow up to venom. oh spare me all this bs, you drama queen.

    “can’t argue a point to save your life”

    Sure Charlie, lets argue the point you made. except I failed to see any other than ” That’s not what Louis meant!!!! “, ” This is what Louis meant!!!! “. lets waste hours mud slinging over a statement made by someone else. have some Champagne, Charlie and calm yourself.

  96. steve

    “Not being funny mate but how can you have a pop at fans for backing Wenger yet come out and say you would be looking at strikers like Harry Kane….”

    ___

    Yeah strikes like Harry Kane. You know the one that is the leading scorer in the Premier League. Duh.

  97. Phd007

    Rambo Ramsey

    Honest question Rambo R..

    Why do you call yourself “Rambo” Ramsey?

    Honest question..I’m curious..

  98. champagne charlie

    “Yeah strikes like Harry Kane. You know the one that is the leading scorer in the Premier League. Duh.”

    Sorry, i actually didn’t word that well at all, because I find it hard to even type what was suggested…

    It wasn’t strikers LIKE harry Kane, Gambon specifically said he would be looking to sign harry Kane. Big distinction, my apologies.

  99. loyika

    Benteke is having a stinker at Pool. Could be ripe for a “Henry” like revival with us? Only thing is would he fit our pass and run system. Either that or just throw tge bank at getting Lukaku.

    Key thing would be getting a Striker already use to playing against PL defender.

    As per Coq, his tackles are usually clean but then he goes all “Super hero” mode and then attempts tackles when just standing up the opponents would be the simpler alternative. Sort of like John Stones and his need to always show he is a “baller!”