How much do Arsenal want it?

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Very quick post today because I have things to do!

Big game against Liverpool this evening. Not often we have massive game on a Wednesday these days! Maybe that’s because this isn’t a massive game in the eyes of the Sky people? Or the BT People? Or the foreign TV channels!

Anyway, here are some things I’m looking forward to seeing this evening…

How is Klopp going to play?

He knows he doesn’t have the talent to beat us at our own game, as he said yesterday, he fears our possession football and the counter attack. So is he going to play deep and look to break? Is he going to bulk out his midfield and try and kick us out of the game? Is he going to take advantage of some shady performances from Bellerin of late? His plan will be interesting. He’s going to be revved up. I imagine the Liverpool players coming into the changing room with him half-naked lightly covered by a sheep skin he’s ripped from a freshly slaughtered carcass.

The madman…

How is Wenger going to play?

Does this sort of game require a nullification exercise, or is this a business as usual game for Arsene and his team of enthusiastic tacticians? We have Ozil and Flamini coming back into this mix. Is he going to go all out for pace, maybe resting Giroud? Is he going to let JC continue in the side after a few good games? It’ll be interesting to see if any special thought has gone into this evening. Wenger knows dropped points here could signal the start of a dismal run.

How is Ozil going to play?

This for me is a massive game. This is one of those games we need our star man to carry us. The atmosphere will be big, he’ll probably get a brutalising from Henderson and Lucas. How will he cope. Will he have the eye of the tiger? That’s the big question for me. Can he deal with a wet evening up north…? Post Christmas is where titles are won. It seems like we’re a long way from the end of the road, the excitement of festivities are over and legs start to feel the burn. I hope we have the best Ozil out there this evening!

Are we title contenders?

These are the games that matter. The games where champions in waiting step forward. Are the whole team up for the fight? Do they have the focus? Do they actually believe this is possible.

They should do, they are good enough. It’s all about how much they want it though.

Switch off and we’re back with the rest of them… win, and it’s about proving it all over again at the weekend.



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  1. VP

    ‘’Not really sure it’s fair to say people falling for same crap’’

    I’d say so.

    Same old level of ambition demonstrated by the lack of signings

    Same old hype regarding the so called emerging talents such as Ox and Wilshere.

    Same old injury occurrences, and excuses readied for WHEN we fail to win the Prem.

    The same old pathetic participation in the CL, leading to a last 16 knock out.

    Yes the environment may have changed, but in my opinion it’s the same old crap from an internal perspective. The club’s lack of ambition and ability to exploit opportunities will guarantee to make this just another groundhog season.

  2. tunnygriffboy


    Bloody hell. I actually agree with you for once. 7 out of 9 points is good for me 🙂


    The little Mozart should be on the bench tonight along with the Ox. Glad to see him back. Elneny’s first taste of PL will be Stoke away on a freezing cold sunday. Will his egyptian genes cope with it (even though he’s been playing in Switzerland for 3 years) 🙂


    Southampton and Leicester games at home. I fancy those plus we’ll have some players including the bonkers Chilean back. Hard to believe we’ve won 7/8 games without him. Hopefully 8/9 aftrr tonight.

    Maybe it will snow on Sunday and the Stoke game will get put back until later in the season when we get our players back 🙂

  3. MidwestGun

    VP –
    Well, To be honest other than our lack of signings last summer there is no reason other than coaching we shouldn’t be favorites.
    Wenger’s time to put up or shutup, imo.

    That said I’d say this us a pretty unique year in the PL. Chelsea, United and City could all have their managers sacked all in the same seasonl.

  4. Johnty79

    Going for a 2:1 bottle job defeat tonight.

    I think there is a great central defender in caulker and I see him keeping giroud in his pocket.

    I hope I’m wrong but as soon as arsenal think there better than they are they get hammered….Southampton exactly. The first half of the 2:2 draw last season is the worst half I’ve ever seen us play apart from maybe against Barcelona.

    Will see…

  5. vicky

    Even though I am a man, I wonder what kind of wanker who gets so touchy on racism, has zero respect for woman. Little wonder he does not find women getting ra$ed by muslims not appalling. You are disgusting Joe.

  6. bennydevito


    I’m not bad thanks, hoping for a better 2016 than last year. You? I have tweeted you a few times along with some of the old crew, they do still read the posts but tend to steer clear of the comments.

    I’m strangely optimistic about tonight, hopefully it’s not misplaced and we’re on the end of a drubbing!

  7. DaleDaGooner

    Well….Kroenke has won again, Lord knows I can’t stand that man! At all! He just a leech isn’t he? $1.86B for a stadium and he leaves some fans high and dry in St. Louis? Hate what he stands for. I just hope he’s not going to leverage Arsenal

  8. MidwestGun

    Dale –
    Kroenke sucks. But I think any leveraging is unnecessary as the Nfl is basically subsidizing the move with cash and another team might be helping to fund the stadium by sharing it. Best case scenario is he sells his Arsenal shares tho but I doubt that will ever happen.

  9. Dissenter

    Klopp just has to watch our game at Southampton to figure out how to beat us.
    Our saving grace is that Benteke is totally incapable of pressing so out center backs will have time to move the ball out.

  10. jwl

    Good question about how much does Wenger want the title – going by past evidence I believe our manager not bothered whether we win league or not.

    I thought Arsenal were wile e coyote who had just run off cliff when we lost Coq and Santi but Arsenal have played much better than I expected. I am surprised how resilient Arsenal have been even with all our injuries.

    Tonight result will be draw, either 1-1 or 2-2.

    And it’s Arsenal … Arsenal FC!

  11. Dissenter

    If Kroenke gets the LA area all to himself for [American] football then it’s bad for Arsenal.
    That’s a mega TV market and corporate boxes will be a premium.
    It will probably increase his wealth by 25%.
    He will never need to sell Arsenal.

  12. Joe

    We have a white Fucken idiot wanker owner right now in kronke so I guess that means we don’t need you to buy it. Already have the ‘quota’

    Carry on doing what you do Gambon.

    Garbage man?? Grocery store clerk?

    Since all the Jews, Indians and Muslims are stealing all the good high paying jobs.

  13. Cesc Appeal

    Does anyone know what Kroenke’s shares are worth in Arsenal, what Usmanov would have to pay to buy him out for example, or anyone else?

    Must be £600 Million or the like…

  14. Dissenter

    The LA market is different though. California isn’t contributing a dime to the stadium but he will easily make the money back because it will be a prime location for super bowls and the TV market is massive.

  15. Joe


    Stadium I think is the big issues. Lack of a proper one so teams have moved on from thier.

    Kronke actually moved the team he is moving back to thier from Anaheim

  16. Joe

    And the raiders moved to la from Oakland and then back to Oakland and we’re trying to move back to la.

    It’s all down to the stadium

  17. London gunner


    I’m just surprised they haven’t sorted out a stadium before.

    Was there not a big enough nfl fan base in la area coz of basketball.

    It’s like London/Manchester not having a football team it wouldn’t make sense

  18. abfp

    Comfirmed to start
    Cech, Bellerin, Koscielny, Mertesacker, Monreal, Flamini, Ramsey, Ozil, Campbell, Walcott, Giroud.

  19. naijagunner


    Over the past few years our away record has not been bad and am surprised you lumped Everton in that list just to make a point…they are not exactly demolishing all before them at home this season

  20. jwl

    London gunner – Why isn’t there an nfl team in LA?

    “In April 1995, Rams owner Georgia Frontiere agreed to pay $46 million for the right to move her team from California to St. Louis. On that same day, owners approved Frontiere’s selling of 30 percent of the team to a man named Stan Kroenke. A little more than 20 years later, Kroenke is taking the Rams back to California.”

  21. Marc


    I’m pretty sure Kroenke paid that sort of money for his stake. To sell I reckon he’d be looking for a billon or so, Arsenal may not be worth that yet but with the new TV deal in place and new marketing opportunities give it 5 – 10 years.

  22. jwl

    Sports leagues in US and America, teams are allowed to move from city to city if they wish to start in new town, they are not rooted to spot like football in Europe. North American sports leagues allow teams to threaten to leave town if the city does not contribute significantly to building new arenas and stadiums.

    Happens often now, team threatens to leave city for better arena elsewhere, local sports fans freak out, politicians then get involved and then we have tax payers subsidizing billionaire owners.

  23. london gunner

    Bundesliga is a secretly a dogshite league.

    Been watching it for the last couple of months and the quality outside the top 5 is awful. In fact outside of the top 3 its pretty fucked. (Leverkusen lost to a david moyes man united)

    Most of the teams are lower championship level. No sense of defensive organisation and so many calamity moments. It makes for lots of goals not quality though.

    English league gets shat on, but our lower and middle table teams are far superior to the bundersliga.

    I don’t watch enough of the Italian league, but I reckon at least the top half of their table is stronger than the german league.

  24. london gunner


    I find NFL very confusing doesn’t seem to be dominate teams like football.

    There is no barcelona/real madrid/bayern/man united of NFL.

    Do the clubs actually have particular identies/styles…?

    NFL always struck me a bit of cold robotic game more for those interested in tactics then actual fans of the teams.

  25. nasri's mouth

    @Cesc Appeal

    Depends on whether Kroenke needs to sell / wants to sell / needs to be persuaded to sell.

    I honestly can’t see Usmanov paying it though

  26. Joe

    The salary cap and harder schedule the better you did the year before bring parity

    But teams like New England, Green Bay and lately Seattle have been dominating

  27. Samesong


    There is no barcelona/real madrid/bayern/man united of NFL.

    Back in the 80-90s I can remember the 49ers and Miam Dolphins were quite dominate.

    I might be wrong though.

  28. Rambo Ramsey

    unhinged Joe, you take part in any them social campaigns in the real world or is the extent of your role of defender of all that is moral and righteous only in the form of a loudmouth on the internet?

  29. Alex Cutter

    Two reasons why there’s been no NFL team in LA:

    1) For years, the NFL/Owners have been able to extort their existing host cities into building new stadiums on the public’s dime — by threatening to “move to LA” if the stadium isn’t built.

    However, lately local municipalities have gotten wise to this ploy, and are telling teams to fuck when it comes to new stadiums. Now, without that leverage, the NFL has nothing to lose by plopping a couple of teams there.

    2) A lot of the population in SoCal comes from somewhere else, and would have no allegiance to a new franchise — other than going to games when their “true” team comes to town to play..

  30. Joe

    Hey dick head Rambo Ramsey

    I always speak up against racism you cunt

    It’s not ok in any forum

    You tough talking Internet keyboard wanker

  31. MidwestGun

    Nfl – Is dominated by teams with best general managers and coaches, what happens when you have salary cap parity. I think Stan does have to pay relocation fee but it is an undisclosed ammount and I doubt it is paid upfront and in one payment.

    Maybe Kroenke gets bored with Arsenal but doesn’t seem likely. Maybe when Wenger leaves he won’t want to deal with it, but who knows, craziest part of coverage yesterday on LA move was Stan did a 20 minute press conference. Everyone was shocked as they had never heard him speak before.

  32. Rambo Ramsey

    “It’s not ok in any forum”

    neither is calling anonymous people dickheads or cunts or other gracious words of the English language. doesn’t make your point any stronger only makes you look unhinged

  33. Alex Cutter

    3) It can be argued that the NFL/football in general is in its death throes, with the mounting evidence about unavoidable catastrophic head injuries. The NFL may be thinking that it’s time to start cashing out.

  34. MidwestGun

    Alex –
    I don’t think Nfl is in death throes. Hell more popular then ever due to fantasy football. However I do think the stadium experience is in its desth throes, people want to watch from couch and computer. Hence why owners want to build these giant stadiums like Disneyland so people will buy season tickets.

  35. Alex Cutter

    “Maybe Kroenke gets bored with Arsenal but doesn’t seem likely. ”

    I believe that Kroenke has little interest in Arsenal, and won’t ever get bored.

    If at some point they stop becoming profitable, he may dump them, but not because he lacks interest.

    I think that he, like many American zillionaires, sees English football as the wave of the future, because of my point #3 above. The NFL won’t exist in 15-20 years, as parents above the poverty line are increasingly forbidden their children to play.

  36. vicky

    “When the point you make, makes you look like a cunt or dickhead then I’m going to call you ohe.”

    Haha double standards and all that. You want both the right to offend and right to be offended.

  37. Spanishdave

    Liverpool will suddenly find some form tonight, most clubs raise their game against us, we bomb forward without a plan and get caught out

  38. slade

    Nfl – Is dominated by teams with best general managers and coaches, what happens when you have salary cap parity. I think Stan does have to pay relocation fee but it is an undisclosed ammount and I doubt it is paid upfront and in one payment.

    Maybe Kroenke gets bored with Arsenal but doesn’t seem likely. Maybe when Wenger leaves he won’t want to deal with it, but who knows, craziest part of coverage yesterday on LA move was Stan did a 20 minute press conference. Everyone was shocked as they had never heard him speak before.

    Apparently, Rhys has been contacted by Kroenke and Wenger: both need guidance during this transition period. Rhys means business.

  39. london gunner

    NFL seems to have the rep of stupid beer swigging fans, but its incredibly complex compared to say football. It’s actually the most complicatedly tactical sport out their. Akin to a battle with opposing troops and their generals managing it all.

  40. MidwestGun

    Alex –
    Hmmm intersting point of view , and personally I don’t mind it as I prefer football to NFl but I highly doubt Nfl is suffering in 15 years. If anything most kids who play are probably below the poverty line and see it as a way out.
    The dangers are real obviously but technology has improved as well.

    I do agree Kroenke has a nose for money so probably sees London market as gold mine. So probably won’t sell ever.

  41. london gunner

    “The NFL won’t exist in 15-20 years, as parents above the poverty line are increasingly forbidden their children to play.”

    There will always be plenty of children under the poverty line to fill the ranks of teams. That’s america.

  42. Rambo Ramsey

    “When the point you make, makes you look like a cunt or dickhead then I’m going to call you ohe.”

    then you ought to consider changing your moniker to ‘Joe the Cunt’

  43. Alex Cutter

    ‘There will always be plenty of children under the poverty line to fill the ranks of teams. That’s america.”

    1) Their schools will not be able to afford the cost of insurance/liablilty

    2) The government will get involved at some point

  44. Alex Cutter

    “2) The government will get involved at some point”

    By which I mean that having tax dollars go towards an inherently physically/mentally debilitating activity will not fly forever.

  45. Alex Cutter

    “American football in some states is like religion. Texas, Alabama, etc… unless they outright banned no way it goes anywhere.”

    HS football will be privatized — funded by private citizens and possible corporate sponsors (that don’t mind being associated with the sport, and there are plenty of those).

    Games and practices won’t be allowed on public school facilities.

  46. london gunner

    Alex Cutter

    America is the land of the capitalist’s. If it makes a fuck load of money it wont be closed down. The lobbyists will make sure it isn’t.

    It won’t get shut down.

    Look at UFC and Boxing have they been banned??

  47. Cesc Appeal

    Klopp went for exactly what I thought he would last week, injuries having taken effect obviously, going to look to be solid in the centre and spring a pacey counter on us.

    Ibe is a dangerous little player to look out for.

  48. Alex Cutter

    “Maybe… I personally can’t see it happening. But you make an interesting case.”

    I think the medical evidence that is available so far makes my scenario an eventuality. And I also believe that future medical findings will be even more damning. The government won’t have a choice — it becomes a public health issue.

  49. Alex Cutter

    “Look at UFC and Boxing have they been banned??”

    Both are fringe sports (in terms of participation). They’re not the national pasttime. And everyone’s always known that both are inherently unsafe.

    The NFL hid the medical evidence until the last 5 or 6 years. This is news to everyone, and people need time to react.

  50. MidwestGun

    Alex –
    I suppose it’s a possible but you could say that about many sports, I’ve even seen studies on the effects of heading a football at a young age. Think if you open that can of worms then you could probably call any sport inherently dangerous.

  51. Alex Cutter

    “I’ve even seen studies on the effects of heading a football at a young age.”

    This is true, and steps are being taken regarding protective head gear and prohibiting heading drills in practice.

  52. Arsene's Nurse

    Evening all. Looks like it’s pissing it down in scouserland. Oh fucksocks I thought we’d weather the Liverpool early storm.

  53. gonsterous

    When are our defenders going to put their body on the line when defending against good oppositions ?? Everyone loves the turn your back while the opposition is having a shot..