Jose Mourinho: Beautiful schadenfreude

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So mega late in the day to be posting up.

However, I need to quickly tell you that the staff do went well. I have a new way of dealing with these situations and I think you could learn from it.

‘Any thought, idea or opinion you have past 9pm. Keep it to yourself.’

I’ve woken up today and I’m winning. It only took 31 years to work this out.

So how are you?

GREAT

Why?

… because the specialist in being a mouthy scumbag just got served a massive dollop of schadenfreude.

The man who called Wenger the specialist in failure, just got his P45 from Chelsea for the second time.

I wrote early on in the second stint that I thought he might be losing his sparkle. I was then firmly smacked in the face with a wet kipper when he smashed the league last year. But this year, I’ve come good… he lost it.

He lost it in the most spectacular way in football history. He trounced the league last season. 3 months into the next season his team are genuinely in a relegation battle, his players look broken and he’s been turfed out.

I mean, it’s quite unbelievable.

Also, I think it’s worth noting, that I don’t care for dehumanising people. But Jose really is one of the worst characters in global sport. Behind the million dollar smile lurks an insecure man with a dark disregard for people.

All he cares about is himself and winning. Which is sometimes lauded. But for me, to win with class is the ultimate. Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger, Carlo Ancelotti… all men who win with class. All men who understand that the game is about more than the just the victory. It’s about how you did it. It’s about how people remember you.

What will Jose be remembered for?

No doubt one of the greatest winners of all time. But one of the greatest managers? Not for me. The man who retired a referee with paranoid comments, then man that gouged Villanova’s eye, the man who sacked two of his longest serving members of staff for doing their jobs… some of the stories I’ve heard about his private life as well. Bad stuff.

Anyway. He’s gone. Who’d take him now?

Who fucking cares.

Anyway, that’s my lot for today.

Back to your beers, bed or whatever! x

 

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  1. Red&White4life

    “Thank you for everything you did for me. I owe you a lot and we will miss you. Good luck for the future.”

    Cesc to Maureen on twitter.
    Amen.

  2. steve

    “Nope, we’re in good shape. We’re just in a very strong league now.”

    Lol “very strong league”. It’s probably the weakest Premier League so far.

    “There is substantially more to a club than winning trophies”

    Spoken like a true akb loser.

  3. Bamford10

    Mr. J

    Good post at 11:12.

    Leeds

    Ozil + RVP would’ve been a sweet tandem. They would’ve been fantastic to watch. Hopefully we sign a class CF at some point while Ozil is with us.

  4. Leedsgunner

    “There is substantially more to a club than winning trophies”

    Ironically, I wonder if that is what die hard City and Chelsea fans would have said before their sugar daddies rolled in to town…

    There is more to a club than winning trophies but winning trophies is an important part to running a successful football club. It builds pride and adds to its history.

    If winning trophies isn’t important to Wenger, he shouldn’t be expected to paid like one who wins honours regularly.

    If winning trophies isn’t important to the club, the club should do the decent thing and lower prices to its tickets. When the club asks its fans to pay the highest tickets in world football, aren’t they raising expectations or should fans just pay up and shut up and forego any expectations at all?

  5. Bamford10

    Michael & Jamie

    Yes, there is more to a club than winning titles/trophies, but a manager who cares more about these other things than he does about titles, glory and greatness is a demented fool, and this is what we have in Wenger.

    Not to mention that some of the “other things” he values more than winning — e.g., loyalty to crocks and mediocrities — are misplaced and irrational values.

  6. gambon

    I absolutely agree there is more to a club than winning trophies.

    Theres history, community, style etc.

    However when you are a club of a certain size, success is vital, its not an option.

  7. Wallace

    “The successess he has enjoyed have to be recognised, but they appear to come at a regressive cost. The same players playing a maximum rigid, linear game after rigid, linear game in straitjackets, primarily to stop the opposition, and only then committing the minimum number of players forward arguably burn them out at a rate of knots, not only physically, but also mentally. Only this time he didn’t have the talismanic Lampard and Drogba to nick the goals…

    “His treatment of the creative elements of his teams are testament to his minimalist destructive dark side as opposed to the expansive constructive force of Guardiola. He doesn’t breath life into football, he sucks it out, and is why clubs looking for legacy won’t be touching him. Which is not to say he won’t land another big job – even immediately – or won’t be successful – in the short term anyway. ”

    – poster on the Guardian’s 10 things to look out for this weekend

  8. Sir Chips

    At one time he seemed pretty untouchable, but as his career has gone on it’s become clear that he can’t hold a position down for more than 3 years and he doesn’t usually leave much in terms of a legacy (apart from arguably after the first stint at Chelsea).

    He was on course to be an all time great. However, given his recent failings and contemptible behaviour over recent years I’d argue he looks pretty average right now.

  9. Mr J

    @gambon
    December 18, 2015 12:51:52

    I agree actually.

    He was interesting… made for good viewing – whether it was some of the thing he said or watching Chelsea crash this season. We all marveled.

    Some of the things he said, whilst they lacked an element of class, were the whole truth…

    Calling Wenger a ‘Specialist in Failure’ is something that a lot of fans on here would love to call Wenger out on, and will live long in the memory.

    An all time Premiership classic for me.

  10. Romford Ozil Pele

    Yeah that’s spot on. That and Vicky’s comments on the last page hit the nail on the head. The biggest compliment I can pay Mourinho is that he’s a winner at all cost and will sacrifice it all to get the victory. The problem with that is that it doesn’t lend itself to a long-term strategy which is why he often finds himself jobless after three seasons. Teams are either burnt out by the time he’s done or they stop responding to his methods. The first one was with with Inter and the second with Real and now Chelsea in his second stint. That’s not even to talk of the shithousery that comes with him as your manager. Fantastic for the short term but not the type to leave a legacy. It’s all about him.

    Like Vicky said on him, the truly talented win with style, and it’s why Pep is the most sort after manager. Big teams are used to winning so they have to have something which distinguishes themselves from the rest and that’s where style comes in. 50 years from now people will still be talking about how dominant Xavi, Iniesta and Messi were. it’s why a Bayern or Barca won’t touch him with a barge pole. And I pray that Arsenal never hire him. He may win trophies but he’ll drag the clubs name through dirt.

  11. Jamie

    Leeds, Bamford, gambon –

    I’m with all of you. Winning trophies should be Arsenal’s highest priority, but I don’t think it should come at any cost.

    I rate Suarez extremely highly as a footballer (who doesn’t, right?), but if making racist remarks and biting people is part of what makes him a ‘winner’, I’d rather not have him winning in our colours. So many talents fall into the ‘dickhead’ category, unfortunately.

    With that said, I’m not giving Wenger a pass because he isn’t quite as loathsome as Mourinho/Suarez/Costa. I think Wenger is done at the top level. His salary is offensive given his only KPI of the top 4 trophy, and his reluctance to invest in the summer reinforces my belief that he hasn’t prioritised winning the league. His remit is to remain competitive (top 4) while banking 20m profit per season. In principle, that isn’t fatal, but charging your fans the highest ticket prices in the world in the process is unacceptable.

    Season ticket prices should be reduced by 50% until an obvious attempt at winning the league is made (ie, spending a significant portion of the cash the fans have put into the coffers). If Wenger isn’t prepared to hang his balls out there and really push for titles, he should be relieved of command.

    Currently, I don’t think the return on the fans’ investment is even remotely fair.

    For all his winning, Mourinho will always be a scumbag, and for all his failure in Europe and lack of domestic titles, Wenger will always be respected (broadly speaking) for keeping Arsenal relatively competitive in the EPL and financially sound during the stadium move.

    Mourinho will never be honoured with a statue outside a stadium unless he commissions one and puts it there himself.

  12. Mr J

    “…He was on course to be an all time great. However, given his recent failings and contemptible behaviour over recent years I’d argue he looks pretty average right now”

    Average??

    Haha, Come on man. You’d have a pretty tough time arguing that Mourinho is ‘average’, I’d guess.

    He may be detestable in character and method, but average he is not.

    Interesting fact:

    only two managers ever have won a) Champions League with two different clubs [only 5 people have done this] AND b) the league in at least 4 different countries [Again only 5 have done this too].

    Mourinho belongs to both groups (Ernst Happel is the other guy)… He’s far from your average manager.

  13. Red&White4life

    Yes but there’s only 1 manager who has succeeded to qualify his team for the champions league 17 years in a row.
    There’s only one Mighy Professor lol

  14. alexanderhenry

    Mourinho calling Wenger a ‘specialist in failure’ is and was utterly irrelevant. Wenger was managing arsenal with no cash whatsoever for at least six seasons from 2006 roughly. He has since come out and said that the BOD ‘s objective was for arsenal to finish top four three seasons out of five. Wenger himself as well as the BOD knew we had no realistic chance of winning the PL and CL during the austerity period . So did mourihno and ferguson. This makes mourihno’s comment a cheap shot and nothing more. The man had no class at all.

  15. Mr J

    You know its quite funny…

    Fergie came across as a detestable character to me.

    Fergie was largely successful at only one club. One club with considerable resources might I add. He had a win at all costs mentality too. He was ruthless and played mind-games often. Granted that there were a few barren years before Said club won anything, then started dominating… but Fergie is remembered as one of the greatest, if not THE greatest managers of club football of all time. Rightly too… and I greatly dislike Man Utd.

    To a lesser extent (in winning record and club longevity, but perhaps not in ‘hate-ability’) Mourinho is the same.

    Mourinho is chelsea’s most successful manager bar none… a club with admittedly little history.

    Now their both gone, I can appreciate their efforts. I wouldn’t speak of anything other than bile if they were still hear.

  16. underrated Coq

    Mr J

    You are aware that three of the four clubs that you speak of are Porto, Inter and Real Madrid- all juggernauts of their respective Leagues and who have won League titles before and after Mourinho’s time with them? The fourth was an Abramovich bankrolled Chelsea.

    See, the thing you seem so proud to remind us: that Mourinho has won titles in every country he’s managed, while impressive, also shows his weakness. That he couldn’t sustain his levels in one club and thus was forced to keep changing clubs. Or are you suggesting the likes of Ferguson and Wenger wouldn’t have been able to win titles had they chose to try managing other continental big clubs?

  17. gonsterous

    I agree mourinho WAS a good manager.. stupid antics aside.. but let’s hope he’s been found out but only time will tell… the best players and coach have that air of arrogance that we all hate but let it not disguise the number of trophies that he has won all over the world..

  18. Mr J

    “Mourinho calling Wenger a ‘specialist in failure’ is and was utterly irrelevant…”

    Well, not really. Wenger said that Maurinho was afraid of failure. Mourinho’s response was that wenger was a specialist at it… seems quite relevant to me.

    Cheap shot? yeah maybe

    The Truth? definitely.

    “Wenger was managing arsenal with no cash whatsoever…”

    this myth continues…

    Wenger had cash. Not like today’s standards and it was limited, but he could have augmented the squad to make it more competitive – check out Swiss Rambler

    But OK, so what’s Wenger’s excuse now then?

    “He has since come out and said that the BOD ‘s objective was for arsenal to finish top four three seasons out of five. Wenger himself as well as the BOD knew we had no realistic chance of winning the PL and CL during the austerity period”

    So, that means that one shouldn’t try?!?!

    Why sign a man with a broken back, when the whole country knew that you need a striker good enough to take the load off a tired Giroud??

    Why sign no outfield players to augment a squad that wasn’t good enough to come close to winning the league the year before, when you’ve got at the very least £70m (I very much believe it to me loads more – and don’t come with that “its for running costs as well” stuff)

    Your post raises many questions.

  19. Red&White4life

    “Why sign a man with a broken back”

    Because he’s swedish ??
    Everybody knows that wenger love to eat Krisprolls for breakfast…

  20. Mr J

    “See, the thing you seem [I like that you put in the word seems] so proud to remind us: that Mourinho has won titles in every country he’s managed, while impressive, also shows his weakness. That he couldn’t sustain his levels in one club and thus was forced to keep changing clubs.”

    Hardly a ‘weakness’ that he couldn’t remain dominant four or five seasons (or more). Only Fergie has achieved this in England. Mourinho teams have been a force in whatever league he’s been in (and yeah I appreciate that they have been some of the biggest teams in European football – last time I checked Arsenal wasn’t no slouch prior to Wenger either!!)

    I can also appreciate Wenger’s achievement in keeping us in top 4. But just what is that exactly, if not marginal success (under circumstances – yes) Football is about winning, being the best you can be – determined by your successes. Appreciating Mourinho or Fergie doesn’t make me a chelsea or a ManU supporter any more than appreciating Wenger’s (marginal) success (in recent times) make me an AKB.

    “Or are you suggesting the likes of Ferguson and Wenger wouldn’t have been able to win titles had they chose to try managing other continental big clubs?”

    Not trying to suggest anything… just stating facts!!

    But for the record, I firmly believe that Wenger would NOT have been as successful given any time at any other club and his record as a manager show that!! A debatable point yes, but my opinion.

    Records both domestic and otherwise are what splits a good manager from a world-class one: Wenger’s record in Europe is shocking.

    I think that a lot of things aligned at the right time for Arsenal, including Wenger’s appointment.

    “Seems so proud…”

    just appreciation.

  21. Mr J

    “Or are you suggesting the likes of Ferguson and Wenger wouldn’t have been able to win titles had they chose to try managing other continental big clubs?”

    Adding to that point:

    Wenger wouldn’t have been given the amount of time and ‘space’ at any other club , that has a worthwhile Board.

    Fergie won and made sure he won – hence his longevity. Not even remotely the same as Wenger’s longevity: born out of a board of directors/owner more interested in making money.

    Wenger makes money – for himself and the board /owner. That is what he is successful at!!

    All of the world’s elite clubs require, nay demand tangible success: trophies. not money making.

    if you believe that Wenger would have been able to deliver these at Real Madrid or Bayern, especially in Europe, show me your evidence to support that.

    Wenger’s tactics and in game management are sloppy to say the least. He dealings in the transfer market (of late) are below amateurish.

  22. TheBayingMob

    There’s no point defending Mourinho; while his methods have been proven all over the continent he’s been found out now. He couldn’t maintain the siege mentaility and his players lost faith in him. They are still a championship winning side. In life there is always action and a reaction. Ying and Yang. He is an extreme personality and his fall from grace is just as extreme. Personally, I think Wenger has run his course, but Mourinho was never the man for AFC.

    Unfortunately for the Moron-yo ring sniffers it’s given the AKB’s perfect ammunition to shoot you down; most of you would have begged him to come to Arsenal. He’s turned out to be a fucking train crash manager.

    In saying that, by the same measure, his implosion this season is no defence of Wenger’s dithering and miserly ways. It deflects in no way from an aging manager who’s had his best years and should be replaced by and a young and exciting man who can reinvigorate the fanbase and move us forward.

    The AKB are mostly the same, 50 to 55+ vcomfort zone merchants. Worked in the same office job for 40 years. Decent pension, 3 bed semi in the burbs. Safe safe safe. Wenger is a safe manager. 4th. Last 16. They will take that all day long until their own boring safe lives are over too.

    But Moron-yo, no! I’m taking just as much beautiful oozing pleasure out of this than everyone else; I’m worried that Hiddinck is actually a great manager and will have them knocking back on the top4 door before long …

  23. Wallace

    Mr J

    “He dealings in the transfer market (of late) are below amateurish.”

    Ozil, Alexis, Gabriel, Cech….’amateurish’?

    you want to give me an example of someone who’s been doing far better?

  24. Jamie

    Alfie –

    In that case, I wonder why Mert gets the nod over Gabriel more often than not?

    He doesn’t seem to get a lot of game time, and I don’t think he’s picked up too many injuries which would keep him out of the side. Too similar to Kos, or Wenger simply rates Mert over him?

  25. Mr J

    Ozil, Alexis, Gabriel, Cech….’amateurish’?

    These signing fell into Wenger’s lap. Ozil, Alexis and Cech were being flogged, wenger stepped up. These are no brainer signings for a club with in-excess of £50m to spend.

    If Ozil Alexis or Cech had been signed when they were available BEFORE they went to their respective clubs then I might agree with you.

    Ozil was on a free at one point – Wenger couldn’t sign him then. We had the money at the time Real needed it. It was simply a matter of circumstance (good for us but if Bayern or Barca had the money, Ozil wouldn’t have been an Arsenal play. IN FACT he wanted to sign for ManUtd). Cech was courted on all fronts. He chose Chelsea. we signed him when he was in decline (maybe harsh) and chelsea had a better option – we didn’t exactly pry him away.

    Alexis was a barca reject, who couldn’t get into their starting eleven…

    Gabriel is a squad player and not really worthy of mention.

    Compare these signings to that of Bergkamp (by rioch) or that of Vieira or Henry to see their worth. Sol Campbell was a good signing.

    How about Welbeck? was that a good signing?

  26. Wallace

    Jamie

    Gabriel just needs a run in the side. playing a game a month can’t be easy. like Alfie says, hopefully the new Koscielny for the next 5/6yrs.

  27. Wallace

    Mr J

    “These signing fell into Wenger’s lap.”

    so why Wenger’s lap and not someone else’s?

    was he the only one who could see the potential in Ozil? Wenger said a big part of the reason we did get him was because he tried to sign him when he left Bremen.

    “Compare these signings to that of Bergkamp (by rioch) or that of Vieira or Henry to see their worth. Sol Campbell was a good signing.”

    I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make here. are you saying because we paid 30m+ for Ozil & Alexis they aren’t as good value as the above?

  28. Mr J

    Ozil, Alexis, Gabriel, Cech….’amateurish’?

    How about not signing a striker when we were top of the league and crying out for one?

    How about resigning Diaby, arteta, flamini?

    you could argue that there are some good and bad and that happens to every manager, but in the last 10 years, when has wenger gone out and signed exactly what was needed to take the club forward?

    Sorry didn’t fully give you an answer:

    “you want to give me an example of someone who’s been doing far better?”

    Look at the signings and ambition shown in the transfer market by any of the mid-table clubs and compare them to ours.

    Southampton regularly show us up. Leicester have shown us up. The fact that Everton resisted Chelsea in regards to Stones makes us look like utter morons when we sold RVP, Nasri, Cesc, et al. at the drop of a hat.

  29. jwl

    “Ozil, Alexis, Gabriel, Cech….’amateurish’?”

    Gabriel is not playing regularly and three other were world class players who we couldn’t turn down because we have lots of money that needs to be spent. Leicester top of league at moment, and Watford is not far behind either, and how much more money have we spent them then Wallace?

    Amateur hour is how it feels like Arsenal being run at moment. If Wenger would have spent money available to him in summer on striker or winger who scores goals regularly than we would have good chance of winning league this year.

  30. Nasri's Mouth

    Alfie: Gabriel looks like Kos 2.0 – excellent defender.

    His style is a little different. Kos is all about the anticipation, whereas Gab is more of a tackler. And at the moment, I don’t see Gabriel taking the ball up field, or indeed playing too many passes through the midfield. Having said that, he’s probably got a little more bite than Kos, and he’s young enough that he’ll only get better for us

  31. Wallace

    MrJ

    “but in the last 10 years, when has wenger gone out and signed exactly what was needed to take the club forward?”

    I think most fans would agree the current side is the strongest we’ve had since the time of Vieira, Henry & Pires. we’re considered by a lot of good judges to be one of two teams capable of winning the league this year. how have we got into this position if Wenger’s spent the last 10yrs in reverse?

  32. Mr J

    @ Wallace

    “so why Wenger’s lap and not someone else’s?”

    My point was qualified when I noted: a club with in-excess of£50m to spend. We got Ozil and Alexis (especially Ozil) because we had (have) the money at the time.

    Do you believe that we would’ve signed Ozil if any of the ‘big players’ had the cash?

    Like I intimated above, who was in for Ozil when he left Real? Who had the cash? ManU did. Its documented that Ozil had designs on joining ManU. Quite surprisingly they rejected the opportunity… only one option after that!

    My point concerning the signings of yesteryear were to highlight how they transformed the club and bought it into a new era. The signings of Alexis and Ozil haven’t done that. They were to appease the fan base, not born out of true ambition.

    And also to highlight that Wenger is amateurish in the transfer market despite those signings… someone was arguing otherwise.

    I concede though… i could have made it a bit (a lot) better

  33. Wallace

    jwl

    “Gabriel is not playing regularly and three other were world class players who we couldn’t turn down because we have lots of money that needs to be spent.”

    you think they were dumped naked outside the Emirates with a price tag attached to their forehead’s?

  34. Nasri's Mouth

    Mr J: And also to highlight that Wenger is amateurish in the transfer market despite those signings…

    He really isn’t. Could argue he’s too tight, too careful, could even go with the dithering issue, but he’s not an amateur. He just isn’t a risk taker when it comes to the cheque book.

  35. Wallace

    Mr J

    “The signings of Alexis and Ozil haven’t done that. They were to appease the fan base, not born out of true ambition.”

    you might think this, but you can’t state it as objective fact.

    no way a player as ambitious and coveted as Alexis is here next season(or even this) if he thinks Wenger’s not serious about winning things.

  36. Mr J

    I think most fans would agree the current side is the strongest we’ve had since the time of Vieira, Henry & Pires.

    And yet we haven’t won the league for 11 years. Have we even challenged for the league in that time?

    Most fans would agree that that ‘top’ three other usual players in the league have been a total shambles too… Having the strongest squad since the time of Vieira, Henry & Pires doesn’t say anything if we don’t win anything, does it.

    I ask again:

    If ManU return to former ways, and both Chelsea and City have normal seasons, where do Arsenal finish in the league?

    “we’re considered by a lot of good judges to be one of two teams capable of winning the league this year”

    What good judges?? Who are their favourites??

    Arsenal are in the running to win the league out of circumstance… nothing more

  37. Mr J

    “you might think this, but you can’t state it as objective fact.”

    Many of the fan base think this too!! In fact many believe had Wenger not made these signings there quite possibly would’ve been an outcry.

    What does alexis think by wenger not signing an outfield player this season, knowing full well that there were areas needing strengthening??

  38. Nasri's Mouth

    Mr J: If ManU return to former ways, and both Chelsea and City have normal seasons, where do Arsenal finish in the league?

    In the short to medium term, 2-4th, leaning towards 4th.

    Even with a weakened FFP, ManU will be able to outspend anyone, (assuming their current malaise doesn’t bugger up their commercials). ManC look like they’re happy to keep (over) spending, and Chelsea can outspend us, so if they’re all performing to their best or close to it, then we wont win the league.

    We don’t have any divine right to win it, or even challenge for it, we just have to hope that the richer teams mess things up, (ManU keep signing the wrong manager etc.etc.) and hope we get it 100% right and sneak in there

  39. Mr J

    @Wallace

    Let me ask you straight out:

    If ManU return to former ways, and both Chelsea and City have normal seasons, regardless of how well or not they do, where do Arsenal finish in the league?

  40. Wallace

    Mr J

    “If ManU return to former ways, and both Chelsea and City have normal seasons, where do Arsenal finish in the league?”

    yeah, ‘if’, and don’t Utd & Chelsea’s recent travails highlight just how hard it is to have a ‘normal’ season?

  41. Mr J

    @ Nasri’s Mouth

    Thank you for answering that question (semi) truthfully.

    I say ‘Semi’ because you and I both know its 4th straight up… but I admire your objectivity.

  42. Mr J

    @ wallace

    Well… this is a normal season for US. Nothing outstanding about it. Same errors tactical and otherwise, mishandling (negligence) in the transfer market with cash in the bank etc etc

    It’s not a normal season for Chelsea and its not normal for ManU is it?

    nothing ‘if’ about it.

  43. Wallace

    Mr J

    if everyone maxes out we finish 4th.

    but that’s kinda my argument when people think we should be picking up titles left, right and centre.

  44. Nasri's Mouth

    Mr J: I say ‘Semi’ because you and I both know its 4th straight up… but I admire your objectivity.

    I was actually being 100% truthful, because football being football, there is enough randomness and the difference in revenue is close enough that on a given season we could easily sneak ahead of one of the other 3.

    We’ve had three 3rd place finishes in the last 6 seasons where we were quite some way off the pace financially. We’re closer now so you’d expect that trend to continue or improve a little bit.

    The main problem will be winning it. 1 side under-performing a little isn’t much more unlikely than 50%, but 3 sides suddenly puts us in single percentiles…

  45. Alfie

    “In that case, I wonder why Mert gets the nod over Gabriel more often than not?”

    Intergration I think, language is apparently a big factor coupled with the fact that I think Mert and Kos suit. each others style of play.

    I think Gabrielle has the same athleticism, tackle type, aerial ability as Kos.

  46. Nasri's Mouth

    Looks like the John Cross story about us signing Leicester’s chief scout Steve Walsh was wide of the mark…

    …BUT we are signing their Head of Technical scouting.

    Maybe an insight into how the ITK world works, (IE they don’t get the information given to them 100% right sometimes)

    and also interesting that we’re bringing in another analyst, which should please Pedro

  47. Mr J

    @ Wallace

    Thank you

    “but that’s kinda my argument when people think we should be picking up titles left, right and centre.”

    I disagree this the above wholeheartedly.

    We should be competing for title – we do not!
    We should compete in europe – we do not!

    If we did everything right (or at least most things) and failed – fair enough.

    Its not the finishing fourth… its the fact that some many easy to sort things go blinding wrong at arsenal. And we don’t even try to fix it.

    We have the money and infrastructure. We fail because we don’t want to win.

    I firmly believe that Wenger doesn’t want to win. And I don’t care what anybody has to say about it. I believe he knows that he doesn’t have to win anything… he’s not being pushed to. If he did, then this team wouldn’t be sold short every season for as long as I can remember.

    We succeed at making money though, I wonder why that is?

  48. Wallace

    Mr J

    “I firmly believe that Wenger doesn’t want to win.”

    well, we’ll have to agree to disagree here. I just don’t believe somebody at the top level can work an 80hr week or whatever it is and not be bothered about winning.

    i agree he’s made some mystifying decisions in the recent past, and he probably has too much faith in certain players, but i’ve never once thought he doesn’t care about winning.

  49. michael marten

    “some of the stories I’ve heard about his private life as well. Bad stuff.”

    How can you leave it like that??? Come on, spill the beans. Don’t worry about JM suing you – he’s not at all litigious 🙂

    How about you pm me on Face book some details 🙂