Brilliant 3 points, but a worrying performance from Arsenal

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A great start to the weekend. Manchester City ripped apart by Arnautovic and Shaqiri. United lucky to get a point against a very good West Ham. PLUS, three points to the good guys.

Key take-aways

Sunderland are not a good side

They’re one of the worst teams in the league and we made them look very good today. If they had good players, they’d have put 3 past us. We were open in midfield, we were sloppy at the back and we really didn’t gel. I’m down with the three points, but that was a very unfair result when you weigh up the chances. We have one more game to gel before City. We need to play like we’re in with a shout of the league.

Second Tier Attitude

I just don’t see much fight from our second stringers. We looked flat and beaten for large parts of the game. The players you’d expect to be pulling up trees to impress just didn’t click. Another pretty average game for Chambo out on the left, a bland game from Flamini and a productive one from JC… but again, he just looks lost in our side.

Mesut is a god

He was fantastic again today. Opening up Sunderland with ease again. His vision kept us dangerous. It’s amazing that he’s landed 12 assists already (Cesc in his prime for us only managed 13)… with a real lack of class ahead of him. We need to treat him with kid gloves, because without him today, we’d have been in trouble.

Giroud

When he drops to the bench, he’ll deserve it. He scored an own goal, then he nodded in nicely for our second. Outside that, it was a lot of bluster. Running around knocking into opposition isn’t productive. It’s been the story of his season though. Another who made a positive contribution without really making much of an impact outside of the goal.

Theo is back

Can’t help but be really excited that we have some pace back in that front line. We’ll be needing him fresh for the Villa game and I’d imagine he’ll be integral if we’re to beat City in a few weeks time.

Monreal

A lot of man love for the full back. His passion and hunger shines through. He loves going to battle and he loves to win. A really important performance again. A man who offers leadership when others shy away.

Cech

Some brilliant saves and a dominant performance again. He makes the stops you know our other two wouldn’t. Today’s game is a exactly the sort of tie we’d draw or lose because of an average keeper not making his cash.

Flamini

Again, not a great game from the Frenchman, but he can’t help being average. Chambers dropping on was interesting. Is Wenger going to be tempted to play him in centre mid in the CL? I’d love to see how he did! I mean, I know that’s a flip flop statement… but Flamini really is going to land us in trouble against better sides.

The Table

We’re back up to 2nd. Behind a Leicester who just can’t stop winning. Incredible scenes over there!

So, time for us to kick on. Let’s make sure away from home in Greece this week. We need to get the victory, we need to find some style to our game and we need to settle on a team that’ll play against City in a few weeks.

December is a big month, what a great way to kick it off, even if the performance was a bit grubby.

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  1. MidwestGun

    I like stats but you can’t form an opinion just based on that either. Which is why teams still employ scouts. It helps differentiate between similar players and their productivity, tho.
    Interestingly, I think Gabriel was our first Stat signing….still to be determined if it will work out.

  2. Paulinho

    “Interestingly, I think Gabriel was our first Stat signing….still to be determined if it will work out.”

    I’m not certain, but it seemed fans sympathetic to Wenger had already annointed him as a world class defender before he even played for us for more than ten minutes,

    It’s like people saw him as some grizzled, mental version of Koscielny and had made their mind up he was amazing.

  3. Bamford10

    Midwest

    I really like Darlington Nagbe. Think he’ll be a gem for the NT. I like Fabian Johnson as a midfielder as well. Maybe our best player recently.

  4. WengerEagle

    Paulinho

    I have to say I do remember you in particular calling Mata out as an overrated liability years back, I never felt that he was on Silva/Cesc/Ozil’s talent level myself but I did rate him highly.

    His time at United along with Chelsea under Mourinho has proved to me anyway that he is an extremely limited player, similar to Cazorla physically but to me Santi is on a different planet even technically.

    Silva is just so much better it’s not even funny.

  5. WengerEagle

    ‘I like Fabian Johnson as a midfielder as well. Maybe our best player recently.’7

    He’s caught my eye recently watching Gladbach, was fantastic against Bayern Munich yesterday. Remember him impressing in the World Cup too.

    I’d seriously be interested in buying him as Debuchy is finished.

  6. MidwestGun

    Bam –
    Ya. .. I just hope Nagbe can maintain when he starts getting the hype. Think Yedlin went thru a bit of that after WC. Really worried about the gap between our older Nat. Team members and the youth. Seems like all our best players will be in their 30’s next WC. Not sure how great Klinnsmann is at developing youth players at the senior level,either. But I do like that some of our youth have a higher technical level.

  7. Paulinho

    Wengereagle – Yeah it was around the time Keyser was using Mourinho’s treatment of Mata as a sign Mourinho was losing it, because Mata had been apparently so amazing at Chelsea, so he didn’t get it.

    Keyser must be loving the Mourinho meltdown.

  8. Samesong

    Mahrez will have a Michu kind of season and then disappear into oblivion.

    Seriously doubt that Michu suffered a serious injury and then faded away. Mahrez is building his stock and it’s only a question of when a bigger comes in for him.
    He’s still only 24

  9. WengerEagle

    Paulinho

    Haha, as soon as Maureen shitcanned Mata they looked instantly better. Even as far back as 2011 when we smashed Chelsea 5-3, you could see how Mata was more of a hindrance than a help but sure enough he scored a cracker which is all that will be remembered of his performance.

    Where is the big fella? At this stage it’s almost worrying.

    Presume he told Pedro where to go before jetting off into the sunset.

  10. Paulinho

    “Where is the big fella? At this stage it’s almost worrying.”

    He had outgrown LeGrove. Literally. Couldn’t even leave the basement by the end.

    Nah, I think even he realised he had nothing to say anymore, and because his ego was never going to allow him admit Wenger simply doesn’t have it – there was nothing left for him.

  11. MidwestGun

    Dusty –
    Just sayin. …. geezer… yep, beard…..scraggly but yep…… acts like a cunt……yep.
    I was 3 for 3.

    I think football hipster in the form Pedro was using it was someone that pretends that only they can see the talent of a particular player because they have exceptional scouting abilities when most people are saying otherwise or their performance doesn’t match their hype. At least that’s my definition.
    I’m a definition hipster.
    🙂

  12. MidwestGun

    Fanendo Adi. ..for all the Nigerian commenters, you should try to get that dude to play on your National team. Maybe he does, I don’t know.
    25 years old. 6ft4….1.93m. Serious handful, looks like a traditional number 9 with some good ball skills and mobility for a tall player.

  13. Bamford10

    John Cross reporting that Cazorla has had surgery for a ruptured knee ligament and will be out another three months.

  14. Cesc Appeal

    Said yesterday I though Caz’s season was done, if these rumours of surgery are true that’s him done.

    We should make the same assumption with Coq when entering the January window…of course we won’t, but…

  15. Mick Kartun

    Jose Mourinho’s Chelsea sacking still possible even if they clinch Champions League last 16 place, The Not So Special One.

    Haha…I still laugh my arse off watching the replay of bournemouth’s goal, it’s hilarious. I wonder if Porto can win in bridge and dump chelshit from the last 16 UCL, will he still keep his job? if the way they play like bournemouth, porto can kill them off, no doubt.

    I hope Mourine won’t be sacked till season over, it’s kinda a side entertainment joke to compensate wenger’s depressing prolonging in Arsenal.

  16. Wallace

    “It’s a bit easier at home because we have the majority of the ball, and [Mathieu] Flamini normally stays behind, so we have that bit of licence. But against Olympiakos, I will have to be a bit more professional in the way we manage the game.”

    – Aaron Ramsey

    let’s hope so.

  17. Louis Almeida

    Wallace, I’m glad Ramsey acknowledged that he’ll have to be more conservative in midweek. He was very gung-ho at the weekend and a better team could’ve punished us as we were vulnerable on the counter.

    Also, and I know you’ll like this, we scouted Ruben Neves AGAIN at the weekend. Bit pointless for me now though because you know his talent but we won’t be available until the summer.

  18. Louis Almeida

    Interesting. Pires thinks that we should sign Wanyama for Arsenal. I guess it would be an easier deal to get done because he knows the league well and can also play CB. Still only 24 and he has been around for a while. I don’t really rate him that much but Pires seems to think he’s very skilful.

  19. Samesong

    Wanyama is a very intelligent no frills player. I rate him as a very good footballer. And if the likes of Pires rate him he surely must have something in his locker.

  20. Wallace

    Louis

    my impression is Ramsey’s always 10yds ahead of where you want him to be these days. his golden season I felt he was a lot more conservaive initially, and then as the game wore on and the opposition tired he would start making those forward runs. maybe Arteta’s influence?

    do any of the journalists in Portugal think we have a chance of getting Neves in January?

    re Wanyama – no doubt he’s an excellent DM and Pires likes him, but he was in Nairobi at the time he made the comments. nothing like getting on the right side of your hosts 😉

  21. mimi

    louis almeida

    I think Pires statements have to be taken into context though. i understand he’s in Kenya for some Barclay’s promo so you’d expect Kenyan journalists to ask him about wanyama.

    He also said some dumb things like for wanyama to become wc he has to be a prolific goal scorer.

  22. Louis Almeida

    Wallace, yes he did it late on but also at the start too. His stamina meant he often outlasted most players in games which is why he could score many late goals. He needs to temper himself a bit. Flamini isn’t as secure in possession as Arteta so he can’t charge forward at every attempt. And Flamini doesn’t have the mobility of Coquelin so Ramsey will leave us under pressure if he turns over the ball high up the pitch. But you’ve seen the damage Ramsey can cause when he’s through the middle. It’s been a while since we’ve seen him and Ozil close together. It’s a good partnership.

    RE Neves, no chance in January, I’m 100% sure. I don’t even think he will go in the summer. Porto don’t need money and it’s rare that talents like this come round every day so they may want to hold onto him for a while yet. He’s only 18 so there’s no rush for him but I do feel he is perfect for Arsenal the more I watch him. Great player.

  23. Louis Almeida

    Wallace/Mimi, I didn’t know Pires was in Kenya when he said that. That adds context to the quote I guess. Still, it would be a decent option I guess if you don’t your initial targets. There are quite a few good DMs out there.

  24. mimi

    cesc

    just seen your response on ramsey and fair enough. I understand why many people rate him so highly but personally I have never been totally sold on his overall contribution in the team.IMO his position is one that can easily be upgraded.

  25. mimi

    louis

    Wanyama is decent but not arsenal quality. Could be a good cover for coq though but at his age i don’t think he would be willing to sit on the bench for long periods.Dunno but watching him conjures up memories of alex song.

    Give me neves.

  26. Pierre

    Not quite getting the over the top criticism of ox. Yes, he had a quiet game but he kept the game simple against Sunderland. He didn’t give the ball away at all but was not involved enough to make an impact. Looks like he is lacking confidence, probably due to the fact he has just come back from injury and he probably reads web sites like this who are forever on his back.
    If I was critical of him it would be for the Sunderland goal in which he was not focused in his defending at the near post.
    Wouldn’t surprise me if he will be hounded out as I am not sure he has a strong enough character to take in the crititism unlike ozil, Ramsey , arteta , Monreal, flamini, giroud, Walcott, Campbell , mert who have all been subject to it at varying times.

  27. Cesc Appeal

    Mimi

    Fair enough.

    To be honest, I do like Ramsey, and I like Coq as well…wait a second (just never gets old)…but I do agree, I think our central midfield base could be upgraded.

  28. Louis Almeida

    Marky G, I do agree that Mahrez is a very silky player. I want to see him do it for a longer period though. I remember when loads of people used to like Mirallas and he never even starts for Everton anymore.

  29. Sam

    Hmmmm Cazorla hasn’t had a rest for a longtime
    If Mr Tightwad spent money to buy players in the summer. We would be able to rest Coq n Sanchez as well, keep them fresh also n most definitely top of the table.
    This is just like a deserved rest for them. They’re humans not donkeys
    We’re approaching January, Spend some Foking money
    We’re approaching January, Spend some Foking money
    We’re approaching January, Spend some Foking money

  30. Emiratesstroller

    Arsenal have as usual an injury crisis, but what now compounds the problem is that three of our key strategic players are unavailable in Coquelin, Cazorla and Sanchez.

    Sanchez may well return by Christmas, but the likelihood of the other two coming back before end of March if at all this season is unlikely.

    When you factor in that Arteta,Rosicky,Ramsey,Ox and Wilshire are injury
    prone and Flamini is not good enough to play in starting lineup the club needs
    to buy at least two midfielders if they are going to challenge realistically for
    Title.

    Looking at our fixture list in January we cannot afford to rely on our current
    midfield resources even if Wilshire returns to fitness.

    Interestingly when I discussed the situation with most of the season ticket
    holders who sit around me the pessimism about Wenger’s transfer policy is
    overwhelming. Noone believes that Wenger will buy in January.

    Sadly there does not seem to be anyone in the club in senior management or boardroom who is strong enough to influence him to make the right decision.

    So we will probably continue to sit on a large pile of cash which will continue to grow.

  31. Bamford10

    We need a CF and a CDM/CM. I like the idea of Icardi and Krychowiak, though the latter ship seems to have sailed.

  32. Cesc Appeal

    ES

    I find the same when I talk to Arsenal fans, no one trusts Wenger in the transfer market, its become something of a joke now. Even he tries to make light of it in press conferences, he’s aware that he’s got a reputation as a skinflint in the market, well earned though.

    Which is weird, because he certainly commands and enormous salary, and the salaries he dishes out to underwhelming or injury prone talent is frankly exorbitant.

  33. Bamford10

    Someone mentioned James McCarthy above, though he just signed a new 5-year deal with Everton. He could be a good role player for us, I would think.

  34. Louis Almeida

    The only saving grace for Wenger in the transfer market is that he still seems to hold some kudos amongst some players. Both Ozil and Alexis, and indeed Cech said that Wenger was a big part in them joining Arsenal. Now they may be making it up but none of these guy wanted to play for Rodgers or Moyes.

  35. BigCheese

    Icardi is the signing for me. His movement and finishing reminds me of Crespo in his heyday. Not particularly explosive but an intelligent forward who exploits space to the maximum.

    He played in a predominately defensive team like Inter and was top scorer last year. He’s also deceptively strong so could fit into a more physical league like ours.

    Probably end up at City when Aguero is nabbed by Real.

  36. Relieable Sauce

    We need a CM that can play alongside Ramsey or Coq and allows Ozil to play as one of the 3 CMs. Would also need a RM/RW

  37. Dream10

    Bamford

    – Icardi is a poacher. Don’t think he’s worth 30-35m euros Inter would want. Higuain is comfortably better

    – Krychowiak is a solution. Easily obtainable this past summer, he has now signed an extension. AW won’t pay 30m euros for a player he could have signed the last two summers. His limitation on the ball is perhaps the reason Arsenal are reluctant

    – we need multiple central midfielders. Arteta, Rosicky and Flamini are washed up. Don’t see the point of putting Wilshere on a 120k salary (which he is asking for) similar to Ramsey when the Welshman is better than him in his preferred position, Everton will ask for 20m pounds for McCarthy. We can get better value on the continent. Xhaka, Allan, Kovacic, Tielemans, Rabiot, Neves, Carvalho are better value. Two of those, ideally three of them would be good.

  38. BigCheese

    Have watched that Pole at Seville and I can’t say I’ve been that impressed looks defensively technically suspect although he does a fantastic job defensively.

    We need a ball playing CDM. In the ideal world I’d prefer Javi Martinez before he was made into a CB.

    Imbula looks like an unit and a half too. Plus has footwork like a ballerina.

  39. BigCheese

    Icardi is a poacher? Really? Yet you recommend Higuain who is the textbook definition of a poacher.

    Pisses all over The Hig. Far superior to him in every aspect.

  40. shad

    Wanyama would be an upgrade on Flamini and Arteta but not sure he is exactly what we need. His passing can be ropey and he isn’t quick. I’d rather we tease Seville with a decent offer for Krychowiak and Real Madrid for Isco. Then sell off Ox and Wilshere, along with Flamini and Arteta.

  41. Relieable Sauce

    Using AOC as loan bait might help if we are to looking to sign someone. Its not going to be easy to get the right players in Jan.
    I’m expecting the short term/low risk strategy – loans or costly purchase of average players that arent quite what we need.

  42. WengerEagle

    I’ve never been Higuain’s biggest fan but he pisses all over Icardi IMO.

    Icardi hasn’t even been scoring regularly this season which is normally all he contributes.

    While Higuain has virtually scored in every match, really impressive goals too not just poacher finishes.

  43. DUIFG

    one good thing is that cdm is the one position where the market isnt illiquid, plenty of option sout there, as always a case of does wenger even want to buy

  44. Sam

    Wanyama? Hmmmm Bielik please

    Mahrez? Lucas Moura
    The paper said Arsenal are ready to pay £30M for him in January
    I hope so

  45. DUIFG

    We really need to stop turning our noses up to players that will improve us, you can nit pick on nay player but the bottom line is our ST and dm options right now are horse shit, most reasonable candidates out here are upgrades

  46. Marko

    Thing with buying Icardi is age wise he’s still got a lot of potential to get better. Higuain will fade away gradually soon enough.

    Now that Cazorla it seems is down for 4 months it doesn’t change the fact that January will be vital to how we finish the season. Whereas before we needed a CDM (Neves, Lars Bender and Carvalho links) and a forward (Icardi, Lucas Moura love him) now it’s vital another midfielder maybe AM is added like Tielemens or Xhaka or even Praet. It’s what’s needed long term wise anyway so trying to get it this January rather than wait till the summer should matter little. Arteta, Flamini , Rosicky and Wilshere injury wise or long term wise can’t be depended on

  47. DUIFG

    Lucas moura wouyld have been a wonder signing 3 seasons ago, now its a bit like he has made no progress in that time, he still has bags of pace and decent dribbling ability but where are the goals, mahrez seems to be way ahead of him in this respect.

  48. DUIFG

    Thing with buying Icardi is age wise he’s still got a lot of potential to get better. Higuain will fade away gradually soon enough.

    really dont like this qrgument, did fergie worry when rvp won him the the title at 29?

    ozil and sacnhez are primed at 27 themselves, they cant hang around for icardi to get good, at some point you have to adress squad weakness to win things, we’ve been building for top 4 finishes with misplaced trust in kids for 10 yrs ffs.

  49. Sam

    Yes Mahrez is ahead of Lucas Moura bcoz of premiership experience.
    But leicester won’t sell in January plus playing for small team once a week is easy to cope.
    I see him turning average like Scheiderlin, Fellaini so I will pick Lucas Moura

  50. DUIFG

    I see him turning average like Scheiderlin

    dont really see how schneid csan be described as turning average,

    depay, schweinsteiger, di maria,- hes not the first to be killed by van gaal.

    In a different set up im sure he would get back to thise levels he set

  51. Marko

    To be fair I also wanted us to buy Bernard back in the day but just because one club doesn’t utilize a player or he doesn’t fit into a club doesn’t mean we’d do the same. And let’s be honest Lucas would be played si much until he came good here and he’d add another level to our counter attacking potential

  52. WengerEagle

    ‘Lucas moura wouyld have been a wonder signing 3 seasons ago, now its a bit like he has made no progress in that time, he still has bags of pace and decent dribbling ability but where are the goals’

    Actually would have to agree with this tbh, he looked phenomenal when PSG signed him, was such an exciting talent, United were also sniffing around him at this time and I was so glad that they didn’t nab him.

    But he hasn’t really improved in his 3 years at PSG, he doesn’t look any better a player today than he did as a 20 year old kid.

    Reminds me of the Ox in this respect albeit he’s a much better player obviously.

    When you aren’t even scoring double figures a season playing as a forward in the French League, questions have to be asked.

  53. WengerEagle

    ‘depay, schweinsteiger, di maria,- hes not the first to be killed by van gaal.’

    You have a point on Di Maria but Schweinsteiger at this stage is a pensioner in footballing terms, he may only be 31 but like Rooney and Ronaldo he’s been playing non-stop at the top level since he was a teenager which takes its toll on the body.

    RE Depay, it’s hard to tell how good he really is as he destroyed an unbelievably poor Dutch League where even Jozy Altidore, Luuk De Jong, Afonso Alves, etc were prolific.

    What has surprised me the most is how poor he’s been on the ball, he doesn’t even look capable of beating the first man and he’s supposed to be this shit-hot dribbler.

    Could be down to confidence, we’ll have a clearer picture by the end of the season.

  54. Marko

    We might could get Lucas on a loan deal maybe. I certainly wouldn’t give up on him just cause PSG haven’t been using him properly. Even Pastore has been there for quite some time but only seems to have turned up the last 6 months or so

  55. WengerEagle

    I don’t know Marko, never got the hype around Pastore, way too inconsistent for me.

    He has 3-4 poor-average matches for every masterclass whenever I’ve watched him in the Champions League or for Argentina.

    If he could put consistency together he’d be a hell of a player though, extremely talented.

    Reminds me of Recoba and Quaresma.

  56. WengerEagle

    ‘Patrick Herrmann of Gladbach might be a decent shout too. Been playing well for about 3 seasons now.’

    I like Hermann, very fast, decent technique on the ball and can finish well off either foot.

    Prefer Raffael though, shame he’s already 30.

    What do you think of Stindl? I really like the look of him, only started watching him this season, was apparently very good for Hannover last year too.

  57. DUIFG

    ‘depay, schweinsteiger, di maria,- hes not the first to be killed by van gaal.’You have a point on Di Maria but Schweinsteiger at this stage is a pensioner in footballing terms, he may only be 31 but like Rooney and Ronaldo he’s been playing non-stop at the top level since he was a teenager which takes its toll on the body.RE Depay, it’s hard to tell how good he really is as he destroyed an unbelievably poor Dutch League where even Jozy Altidore, Luuk De Jong, Afonso Alves, etc were prolific.What has surprised me the most is how poor he’s been on the ball, he doesn’t even look capable of beating the first man and he’s supposed to be this shit-hot dribbler.

    I agree with the above, it just seems to be coincedence that people come in with good reputations to united and then tread water.

    Because of that Im reluctant to write schneid off as being overblown or put other players who currently play in lower level teams into they ‘once they step up they get found out’ bracket

  58. WengerEagle

    Pretty much Louis.

    Quaresma in particular is a sad case, as a teenager most believed him to be better than Ronaldo.

    Can only imagine how good he could have become if he even had half of Ronaldo’s drive.

  59. Carts

    Lucas Moura is just a head down and run players. He does it better than Ox and Walcott. But his goal threat is non-existent. I’m even unsure about his crossing ability; and I agree wholeheartedly he’s made minimal progress at PSG.

    However, special mention goes out to Blanc, who imho, is a terrible gaffer. the man plays Motta, Matuidi and Verrati – home and away ffs. Like really?!

  60. Marko

    Stindl is hot alright. Saw more of him at Hannover. How’s Volland this season? Lad was looking super the last two seasons prospect wise

  61. WengerEagle

    ‘However, special mention goes out to Blanc, who imho, is a terrible gaffer. the man plays Motta, Matuidi and Verrati – home and away ffs. Like really?!’

    Lol.

  62. Louis Almeida

    WengerEagle, believe me, Quaresma always had much more natural talent than Ronaldo, it was the general consensus in Portugal too. Where Ronaldo killed him is the sheer determination, willingness to improve and professionalism. Ronaldo is a fantastic athlete and he went to many lengths to make himself one of the best. If Quaresma had half of that dedication he would have had a prolonged career at the best clubs because he is crazy skilful and some of the stuff he does with the ball is mad.

  63. Carts

    “Schweinsteiger at this stage is a pensioner in footballing terms, he may only be 31 but like Rooney and Ronaldo he’s been playing non-stop at the top level since he was a teenager which takes its toll on the body”

    Though your point is valid, I genuinely feel that Bastian has mile in the tank still. He’s been managed – from a fitness perspective – quite well. LVG can make AMG Mercedes look shit, he’s that terrible these days!

    What ever LVG is feeding them lot over there is working in every, but, Utd’s favour. I mean, he bunged an in-form Martial wide left to play an ineffective Rooney down the middle. Result: Martial lost considerable form and hasn’t scored im almost a dozen games.

  64. WengerEagle

    Marko

    Not sure, tbh lost interest in them after they sold Firmino haha.

    Volland is a quality player though, doing pretty well this season by all accounts.

    Still relatively young, 23 or 24.

  65. Louis Almeida

    That midfield trio can be quite attacking. I think it’s balanced. Motta is the deep-lying playmaker with good physical capabilities. Verrati is the Xavi who controls tempo and Matuidi is the runner to do it all and support the front guys.

  66. Carts

    Re: Mahrez

    He’s a funny one. Only 24, a crispy left boot and a genuine goal threat.

    Looks like the kind of guy who eats 2 fish fingers then claims to be full up and bins his potato smiley faces and spaghetti hoops – he’s that fragile looking!

  67. WengerEagle

    ‘Because of that Im reluctant to write schneid off as being overblown or put other players who currently play in lower level teams into they ‘once they step up they get found out’ bracket’

    I was never Schneiderlin’s biggest fan but agree that it’s silly to write him off this early into his United career.

    LVG is getting the CM balance all wrong IMO, no idea why against poor teams at home you’d opt for Carrick, Schweini and Schneiderlin as the 3.

  68. WengerEagle

    Louis

    That’s why as much as I dislike his selfishness and vanity, I can’t help but admire the sheer amount of hard work and sacrifice Ronaldo has made to become the player he is today.

    Was a terrible finisher when he joined United, to become a goal a game player is nothing short of astonishing.

    Love me a bit of the Quaresma trivela.

  69. Marko

    Looks like the kind of guy who eats 2 fish fingers then claims to be full up and bins his potato smiley faces and spaghetti hoops – he’s that fragile looking!

    Brilliant

  70. London gunner

    Lucas moura

    Has looked quality every time I see him play but as others had said he hasn’t progressed enough and has no finishing.

    Swear he was supposed to be the next big Brazilian talent along with Neymar

  71. gary

    I dont actually want Chelsea to be knocked out because they’ll probably win the ueffa cup and get back in CL.. so want them to win then lose at any stage after..

  72. WengerEagle

    Carts

    Don’t disagree, called LVG a has-been from day one at United and he’s done nothing to suggest he has the slightest idea what he’s doing since.

    Around 300 million spent and I’d argue that we have a better squad.

    With that investment they should competing for the UCL, I fancy Wolfsburg to dump them out in the groups tomorrow night.

  73. Louis Almeida

    Yes it’s very true WengerEagle. You can dislike Ronaldo’s personality and ego but you can not deny him what he has achieved. He worked extremely hard to reach the level he did because Quaresma was a bigger natural talent with more flair.

    The Quaresma trivela is one of the best things in football. Generally I get annoyed when a player doesn’t use both feet but the outside of the foot trait is very sexy. Rosicky does it all the time when he plays. I see Ozil use it a lot too.

  74. Marko

    Perfect Santi replacement for me Tielemens (long term wise he’d sort us out) or Gundogen. Andre Gomes or Xhaka too are decent shouts. But for the DM area one of Lars Bender/Carvalho/Neves would be perfect. Camacho of Malaga another decent shout

  75. DUIFG

    ita actually really sad seeing fabreghas rtight now whatever you think of him, his heart was broken by barcelona, i doubt we will ever see the same player again

  76. Redtruth

    Players are technically inferior to players of yesteryear.

    Rosicky would have been scorned upon 30 years ago for his lame attempts at bending the ball with the outside of his foot.

  77. Carts

    Eagle

    Couldn’t agree more with you (and Pedro). LVG was written off from the outset by even Pedro on the eve of his appointment! I was one who was convinced that “after 6 months” he’d have stable team to compete.

    To God and man, if the Utd board stick with him after this season then they’re committing treason. As you said, he’s spent bundles of cash only for them to be hanging by a thread in the CL and not scoring in the last 4 home games.

    They need give Pep what he wants and usher him in on the last day of this season!

  78. Micheal

    Redruth

    Players are technically inferior to players of yesteryear.

    I assume you write this bollocks in the hope of provoking a response.

  79. Mick Kartun

    Eagle, agreed with what I saw with Xhaka, left footed DM, nice rangy passes.

    At least we could get half of Petit-Viera pairing good old days with Xhaka- Coquelin, duo.

  80. Redtruth

    Samesong

    Roberto Carlos, Rivaldo…lol lol

    The balls they used moved in the air like garage balls.

    One incident where the ball swerved was more to do with the make up of the ball rather than the players delivery.

    Most of Roberto Carlos’s free kicks ended up in row z

  81. Corona X

    DUIFG – replace ‘sad’ with ‘hilarious’, and I agree your post. The guy not only left the team that was being built around him, but then he later went on to join the arch enemy. Dude is an absolute plank, and I thoroughly enjoy seeing him sulk these days.

  82. Micheal

    Those who understand the basics of football realise there is a lot more to being a good player than bending the ball with the outside of the boot. What next a Ballon d’Or for keepy-ups ?