Things not looking good for Santi

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WHAT AM I DOING HERE

WHAT AM I DOING HERE

League Cup week when you’re not in it makes for some very boring news.

I mean, I’m going to end up getting dragged back into the injury thing. Santi Cazorla seems to have done himself a wrongun’ with his ligaments. News isn’t in on how bad the problem is. We don’t have the gory details. But whatever the news, it’s not good for a player in their thirties to have done something like that…

Hopefully it’s the least severe of the issues.

Raymond Verheijen has been trapping off in the press about Wenger and his ways…

“All 23 Arsenal 1st team outfield players were injured in 2015 except for Joel Campbell but still people are in denial & looking for excuses.

“The problem in football is that most people do not see the bigger picture. They are only thinking about the last result & the next game.”

People take solace in the fact he doesn’t have a job at a top club. I’m really not sure how that takes away from the core elements of what he’s said above. The guy trains other coaches on conditioning and he’s been pretty spot on about Arsenal for years. Sure, he uses Arsenal to push his coaching biz, but hey, I can’t sit here and knock self promotion.

I mean, what exactly are people looking for, the Man United fitness coach to come out on the record and give Arsene a kicking in The Mirror? Be serious. If that happened, people would be… ‘Oh, but I mean, he would say that, he works for United’…

I think the worry for me is that fans can deny what’s going on rests with the coach, but does our manager do the same thing? I kind of feel this issue has been going on for so long that there must be a fundamental problem at the highest level. Or, a lack of seriousness about it.

We had a great opening to 2015. Then it all went to shit in the second half. Arsenal haven’t been able to piece together two good halves of a season together in  years… if we could sustain our first 11s fitness, we’d be winning titles. Or we’d at least be competing for longer.

We’ve also had about 14 inquiries into the problem and still no change. What’s going on?

Also.

WHAT HAPPENED TO SHAD?

Things were looking so good… then what? You started hanging with Per a bit more. He got you on the booze. Now all you do is drink German lager all day in authentic lederhosen?

It’s not good enough.

Anyway, enough of my rabbling.

I’ll be back tomorrow in the AM. UK AM BABY.

 

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  1. Cesc Appeal

    I’m so looking forward to having Wallace on the dark side, I’m calling dibs on taking him as my Padawan!

    You’re stating Wenger has to buy in January, and we have to compete for the title until the end to keep faith in him.

    So, do you want your Wenger Out shirt in red or black?

  2. Mickey G

    Liverpool’s form under Klopp is depressing me. The perennial injury crisis at Arsenal is hardly even disappointing, we expect it. But imagining how good this group could be under a manager like Klopp or Pep, knowing we’ll miss out on both of them is just numbing. Wenger won’t pack it in until he has a health scare.

  3. Wallace

    Cesc Appeal

    it’ll never happen!

    i know how some of you feel. the last few years under George Graham when we were averaging about 23 seconds of good football a season was as low as I’ve ever been as an Arsenal fan. but we’d have to lose every game from now until the end of the season and for Ozil & Sanchez to jump ship in the summer for me to even get close to feeling like that again.

  4. Micheal

    The Klopp revival at Liverpool underlines our major deficiency – i.e. Wenger cannot motivate his players. Klopp has turned Liverpool around in a matter of months because has motivated the players !

    Forget our injuries and who we should buy in January. We have a half decent squad of players. Trouble is they can’t be arsed. Giroud is a prime example of someone who can and does score when he puts in the effort. But has he broken sweat in the past few weeks ?

  5. Cesc Appeal

    Wallace

    So, based on our deal in the summer, if we don’t compete for the title until the end, you’re going to lay the blame on Wenger, correct?

    But not campaign for Wenger Out?

    I’m still confident you’re going to see the error in your ways. I have faith, in you Wallace.

  6. Cesc Appeal

    Wallace

    Actual question here, hypothetical obviously, say that Guardiola or Ancelotti expressed an solid interest in the Arsenal job, stated that they wanted it now. Would you get shot of Wenger for one of them?

  7. Wallace

    Cesc Appeal

    “So, based on our deal in the summer, if we don’t compete for the title until the end, you’re going to lay the blame on Wenger, correct?”

    yes, for sure.

    but I also said it doesn’t matter how many players you sign, you have to be lucky and hope your best players stay relatively injury-free to have a chance. the Sanchez injury is squarely on Wenger, and no obvious quality back up for Coquelin is on him, too. but losing both Coquelin & Cazorla for a good chunk of the season within the space of a week is pretty brutal.

  8. Wallace

    Cesc Appeal

    it’s not the kind of question that interests me. neither one would come out and say that, and if Wenger does leave it will be at the end of the season, although more likely the end of next. once his exit looks likely then I’d be up for answering it.

  9. Louis Almeida

    We must get Pep. If he goes to Man City with the squad they have he’ll win the title for the next few years. Both Mourinho and Klopp ran away from Pep because they knew what was coming their way. Wenger can’t compete.

  10. Cesc Appeal

    Wallace

    I thought you were going to say something like that 😉

    The things is though, Wenger put all his eggs in the luck basket, pretty dim, seeing as there is nothing in the last 10 years that tells you our fitness was going to even slightly hold.

    One CDM, knew Welbeck was crocked so banked on Walcott and Giroud, Walcott who hasn’t played ST and is officially one of worst players in EPL for fitness.

    Usual suspects, Wilshere, Gibbs, Rosicky Arteta, Oxlade etc

    Pretty dim of him.

  11. grooveydaddy

    Wallace,

    If Pep and Ancelloti are available in the summer, would you rather let Wenger see out his contract and miss out on both of them?

  12. Cesc Appeal

    Louis

    I agree.

    We have to get rid of Wenger early and get ourselves a new, fresh manager. The situation around us could get quite worrying in the coming years with Wenger still at the helm.

  13. Wallace

    grooveydaddy

    rightly or wrongly I think Wenger will be the one who decides when he quits. i’d love to see Guardiola at Arsenal, and I think we’d have a good shot at getting him, but I think the timing’s going to be off.

  14. Louis Almeida

    Cesc Appeal – Yes I agree. Maybe we could win the title if all our players were fit but they never are and we have never worked out the injury problems. At this stage we can’t rely on fitness because it’s backfired so many times before. Wenger doesn’t seem to have any other tactical innovations. He doesn’t want to maybe change formation which could help with all the injuries and he is always adverse to signing because he is loyal to the ones he has here (the unreliable injured ones) so it is a vicious cycle we are now in. All while we are wasting the best years of Ozil and Alexis who are both in their prime. All I hear everyday is how Bayern want to buy Ozil and it must be tempting for him to want to leave.

  15. Louis Almeida

    I do agree with Wallace that Wenger will ultimately choose when he wants to go. He will easily keep us in the top 4 so it will just maintain the status quo. We either have to drop out completely or hope that Wenger will leave at the end of 2016/17 (Van Gaal will leave at the end of that season too). So maybe Pep will either renew for another season with Bayern or take a sabbatical again like when he left Barca.

  16. Wallace

    Cesc Appeal

    “The things is though, Wenger put all his eggs in the luck basket, pretty dim, seeing as there is nothing in the last 10 years that tells you our fitness was going to even slightly hold.”

    true, I guess I meant we’d have to replicate what we did from December last year w/r/t injuries for us to have a chance. usually the team that wins it is the team that has the fewest injuries. although City have also been struggling with them, so maybe this year it’ll be the side that copes best.

  17. TitsMcGee

    but we’d have to lose every game from now until the end of the season and for Ozil & Sanchez to jump ship in the summer for me to even get close to feeling like that again.”

    Lol

    Amazing.

    If there was any doubt. Backing the man rather than the club. Part of the problem.

  18. Louis Almeida

    We need to sign in January. But there’s another problem. Wenger’s favourite child Wilshere returns in a few weeks so that will definitely impact his thinking. Cazorla-Coquelin turned into a decent partnership last season (still far from the best). This is now Ramsey’s chance to get his CM berth back. Problem is his best form came alongside a functioning Arteta. Arteta is now broken and Flamini doesn’t offer the same deep-lying traits. I think he’ll try Ramsey-Flamini in the short term but Chambers being used there for the U21s suggests it’s something which is being looked at in training so that may be an option. But then what of Wilshere & Ramsey. Wenger has always tried to incorporate both of them when fit but it’s never worked. I don’t think I could ever forgive Wenger for the 4-1-4-1 last season. Moving a WC player in Ozil to the left to accommodate these two. It wouldn’t surprise me if Wenger tried a weird experiment with these two again. Thankfully with Ozil in Real Madrid form, Wenger won’t move him, the other two will have to fit around him. So many dilemmas. And all created by Wenger himself. More questions than answers.

  19. Dissenter

    Did any one view the Arsenal to video of Walcott, Oxlade and Chanmbers playing football manager?
    Talk about a rudderless club drifting farther into football mediocrity.

  20. Romford Ozil Pele

    Lol Dissenter chill, every player in a club has to do media duties. It’s nothing new. The club are just always looking for ways to boost their profile off the pitch. Shame the same can’t be said for what’s happening on it.

  21. Redtruth

    Wallace

    It’s not about good football but winning and getting results and George Graham was doing just fine in the results business during his last few seasons

  22. gambon

    Hilarious watching Arsene Wengers pained face every time he talks at the moment.

    This ridiculous situation we find ourselves in is absolutely 100% of his making. The fact that average fans who have never managed a football game, and have made considerably less than 50,000 substitutions seem to have far more common sense than this fraud is absolutely astonishing.

    Its frightening that my Man Utd and Liverpool supporting friends can see where Wenger is going wrong and yet he cant.

    Its embarrassing that we pay a guy£8.5m pa and yet he gets the basics so so wrong.

    Look at our injuries:

    Arteta – Hes a crock, injured every single season, most fans wanted him gone
    Coquelin – Played into the ground since Wenger panicked him into the team, 90% of Arsenal fans were calling for an equal or better DM this summer
    Cazorla – Played into the ground by Wengers refusal to build a squad with multiple options for vital positions
    Rosicky – Most fans deemed him surplus to requirements 2 years back
    Wilshere – Most fans refuse to accept how much Wilshere holds us back. Fairly good player when fit, NEVER fit. His £100k pw is better used elsewhere. I have said this for 3 years.
    Walcott – Some of us were very vocal about giving him a new contract. Terrible idea. Even when fit we need a better CF, as with Wilshere he CANNOT stay fit
    Sanchez – The definition of played into the ground. He is the latest in a long line of players that Wenger utterly relies on. Completely unfair how he has been treated.

    A lot of us were very vocal about what was needed in the summer, and most of what was discussed would have negated a lot of the above problems.

  23. Mickey G

    Louis Almeida… Surely the Wilshere/Ramsey combination is worth another look now. Since the previous attempt, Wilshere has been plying the deep lying play-maker role for England. Ramsey has also matured as a player.
    They are both box to box types, albeit Ramsey leans heavily towards the opposition box. If they can come to an understanding the if one goes the other MUST also drop, then there is no reason it couldn’t work. It’s hardly rocket science, its just a bit of awareness, responsibility and respect for you teammates. The other reason to try it is that there aren’t many alternatives!

    Having one central midfielder whose only job is to defend is quiet limiting when you are playing against top opposition. The deep player can be targeted by high aggressive pressing and our passing game becomes defunct.
    Think Alonso at Bayern of Busquets at Barca. Or even Pirlo. If your deep guy can play then that helps a lot. Better still if your CBs can also play.
    I’ve been of the opinion for quiet a while that Mertersacker is the weakest link in our starting 11. Pep Guardiola confirmed as much when talking before our match against them in Munich.
    He said Per can’t play and if you put pressure on him he has to go long (and he is no David Beckham, no Tony Adams in terms of defending either).

    Which brings me to another point. We are a ball playing team, but one that takes too many touches generally. Watch any passage of Arsenal play. The player receives the pass, controls it, looks at his options, maybe turns away from pressure and passes.
    There is minimum two touches as many as four of four or five, but I’d say an average of around 2.5 to 3 touches for every transition between players. Barca and Munich do that with one. The receiving player knows where he is passing it before the ball arrives. He receives and releases with just one touch.
    Pressing against that is futile, its just wasted energy. Teams can press us and disrupt our play because we take too many touches and give the chasing players time to close us down. That is one change that Pep would bring to Arsenal. Given the calibre of player we have, he’d
    probably instill the one touch football in a very short space of time. I don’t understand why Wenger, seeing the bar raised fir his own version of football can’t respond by speeding up the transitions between players.

  24. Wallace

    Louis

    I think Wenger might lob Wilshere back on the right, unless we’re a complete travesty in the middle between now and his return. he did seem to enjoy it there when he came back last year. not as good defensively as Ramsey in that role, but a lot more dangerous with the ball at his feet.

    am guessing training this week is mostly about Chambers vs Flamini. would think if Flamini starts on Saturday he’ll probably get the nod for City as well, barring inury.

  25. Louis Almeida

    Mickey G- I doubt Wilshere’s positional play. He’s more of an #8 rather than #6. Busquets is a water carrier and a playmaker rolled into one, same with Alonso. I don’t think Wilshere is smart enough to play as the deepest line of our midfield. Yes he’s done it for England but how many good teams have they played. I still agree with Wenger that Wilshere does his best stuff going forward rather than defensively. He’s a dribbler not a tackler. He can tackle but it’s not his primary role.

    I agree with you on Mertesacjer, Gabriel should be playing in my opinion.

  26. Louis Almeida

    Wallace, it’d be interesting to see who Wenger plays in the centre when Wilshere gets back, him or Ramsey. I think Wilshere is closer to Cazorla than Ramsey is in terms of what he brings but he doesn’t offer the same positional play. That said, I’d trust Wilshere deeper if either of them have to play next to Flamini. I only trust Ramsey with an Arteta type as he’s not the most secure in possession either.

  27. Romford Ozil Pele

    Lol so many problems in the midfield. What a travesty with all that money st our disposal. Would prefer Wilshere in the pivot personally but you just know he’ll break down straight away again. Agree with Louis that Ramsey can only play next to someone who’s secure in possession. Ramsey himself doesn’t have great positional play either. He and Flamini were the partnership that got hammered 6-3 by City a couple seasons back. Need to sign a player DM in Jan by force, but then we needed that in the summer so I won’t count my chickens. Dreadful state of affairs and only one person to blame considering how injury-prone our squad is. Or how Wenger has turned them into injury prone players

  28. Carts

    “The Klopp revival at Liverpool underlines our major deficiency – i.e. Wenger cannot motivate his players. Klopp has turned Liverpool around in a matter of months because has motivated the players !”

    Nah, steady there. What you see happening is what happens every time there’s a new figure head.

    Allardici has got Sunderland on a role right now – let’s see how that pans out in May.

    Monk was billed like the next English Pep – yet he’s probably a game or two away from the boot.

    Yes Klopp has improved Liverpool, only tasting defeat once, it’s still early door to say anything. After all, he couldn’t even motivate his BVB lot, domestically, and look how that panned out too.

  29. Romford Ozil Pele

    Arsenal are always at their best when the ball is being moved on after two touches. Santi-Coquelin itself is far from perfect although we’ve had some pretty decent results this year with that pivot. You can tell when we’re struggling to influence games because MÖ has to drop deep to get hold of it/create a numerical advantage in midfield. And don’t get me started on L’Oreal

  30. Romford Ozil Pele

    Yeah agree with Carts, let’s hold the phone on Klopp for now. His team is doing well but I want to see Klopp over a stretch, it’s always been my worry about him. His teams die after a few seasons because this pressing strategy eventually takes its toll. I wanna see what happens when other teams match Liverpool for work rate. He has certainly implemented his ideas quickly but I’ll reserve judgement for a bit.

  31. Carts

    Couldn’t agree more, Gambon.

    It’s comical and farcical what’s going on over there. And what sticks out is how Wenger would speak of the games he’s managed, subs his done, players he’s bought yet can’t get this team looking proper, with millions in the bank and an abundance of experience managing at this level.

    EVERYONE without their tongue up Wenger’s ass predicted this. I highly doubt many, if an of us are PHD statisticians.

    Wenger probably thinks what happening is totally out of his control.

    The disparity between, say, Sanchez and everyone else is disgusting. Then there’s Ozil and everyone else. When we signed Ozil, then Sanchez, I knew this to be an abstract concept that wouldn’t work. The FA Cup wins have simply painted a false dawn to hide the real issue at hand. WENGER!

  32. Wallace

    Louis

    “I only trust Ramsey with an Arteta type as he’s not the most secure in possession either.”

    yeah, but I think an Arteta-type is the most likely buy in January, which is why I think he’ll go with Ramsey centrally ahead of Wilshere. that and Wilshere’s injury record.

  33. Redtruth

    Romford
    “Arsenal are always at their best when the ball is being moved on after two touches”

    Maybe, but that doesn’t translate to winning trophies especially in Europe and the Premier league.

  34. Louis Almeida

    Wallace, you think we will sign? Who?

    Yes I understand your logic to go with Ramsey above Wilshere. I was just saying that I think Wilshere combines what Cazorla does well with greater work-rate/mobility. It is false hope though as Wilshere is unreliable fitness wise.

  35. Wallace

    Arseblog highlighted it this morning, the main thing will be getting Ozil on the ball. up until now that’s been Cazorla’s job.

  36. Paulinho

    It’s only a few weeks go that Wenger was crowing about not signing a striker, and mentioning it without even being prompted by the press.

    Without the doubt the highlight in the next few months, like it is every season, will be watching him squirm and embarrass himself. The only shame is that journalists are as dim as he is and never seem to remember or at least pick him up on the stuff he has said in the past, so he always gets away with it relatively lightly.

  37. Carts

    Romford

    “Arsenal are always at their best when the ball is being moved on after two touches”

    To add a point to that would be to literally repeat what Redtruth wrote.

    Your post holds weight, but the problem is that you’ve got player not being able to perform to their peak cos the like of Ozil dropping far too deep than he should. Sanchez holding on to the ball for far too long. Ramsey being played out of position to support Bellerin, when in fact he should be playing centrally.

    Players are doing way too much which is hampering our play. To me this tells me Wenger is shit out of ideas.

  38. Cesc Appeal

    Louis

    That’s the thing, I said all summer If I honestly believed Wenger was doing everything in his power, everything he could to win, I wouldn’t mind, I would support him all the way.

    But he doesn’t, not even close, how anyone can look at the summer and say Wenger gave us the best possible chance is beyond me.

    He’s old, past it, makes the same mistakes every single season, won’t be told, won’t change because he doesn’t think he needs to (it’s football that needs to change not him,) disrespectful to the fans, reacts with incredulity when questioned, idealises his squad and will not see fault in his players.

    The positives of Wenger are literally palatable consistency and the style of football he likes. That is it.

  39. Jim Lahey

    We really missed our chance to make major money on Wilshere last summer, City would have easily given us £35m for him, way more than he is worth. But with yet another injury I can’t see anyone wanting to take a gamble on him, the guy is the English Diaby.

  40. Mickey G

    Louis… and Arteta should be back soon. So the Ramsey/Arteta axis could return also. Wilshere is back soon though. People have ran out of patience with him on this site. Understandable, but unfair. If I’m not wrong the majority of his injuries are due to a troublesome ankle injury, which first occurred when Wenger butchered him as a nineteen year old. He was carrying the team at that point and was too young for that amount of games. His latest injury, a bone fracture is bad luck. It could happen to anyone. Anyone who says otherwise is talking out of their arse. His fitness is an obvious concern, have they sorted the ankle or is he the new Diaby? He probably needs to change his style of play a little so he releases the ball before he gets hit. He likes to release it late to suck in defenders but in England that usually means they take a piece of you in return. Regardless I haven’t given up on him, I think like Ox he could be a super player for us (Xavi agrees with me by the way). In my view he is far more talented than Ramsey. It’s just difficult to decide where best to employ his talents. As Louis pointed out and Wenger himself said, Wilshere is more an attacking midfielder than a deep lying player. I wouldn’t mind experimenting with him as a pivot though, considering Arteta and Flamini are the other options. We can always bring on Flamini to shore us up and help close out a game.

  41. Wallace

    Louis

    “Wallace, you think we will sign? Who?”

    fuck knows, but a Neves/Alonso kind of player would be my guess.

  42. Cesc Appeal

    Come on guys, we will sign no one in January, Wenger couldn’t find anything in 3 months during the summer, he won’t in 4 weeks in a window he hates and wants gone, the same ‘reasons’ for not buying he deluded himself with in the summer will be the same in 4 weeks time, Wilshere returning, Rosicky returning, Coq only two months away, Caz only two months away. not worth buying.

  43. Mickey G

    Jim Lahey… why on earth would we sell one of our best prospects? We have a shit load of money, we don’t need more money. In case you haven’t notice we don’t usually spend fuck all on players, so selling your good players makes absolutely no sense. If there are concerns over his fitness, then that is a risk. The smart thing to do with risk is to mitigate for it. I.E. Buy some more players…. not sell them. Then you end up with a better squad with competition for places. Would you rather watch him play week in week out for City with Pep as their manager next year? That is a HUGE risk in selling him.

  44. Romford Ozil Pele

    Carts, Wenger’s approach to squad building has always been weird. It doesn’t make sense a lot of the time to me. Buying similar players, not sure how to use the them. His lack of planning is staggering. I see why he uses Ramsey on the right because Cazorla-Coquelin isn’t physical enough as a pivot. Ramsey brings extra running power. He acts as another body on midfield and aids the possession game. When most were fit in October it looked positive but as always, injury struck. Problem after is that the back up isn’t good enough and Wenger doesn’t wanna disrupt harmony by bringing in competition for his favourites. It’s weird tbh and at I’ve been over him for a while. Just can’t wait for him to leave as it’s all a bit too repetitive for my liking

  45. Jim Lahey

    @Carts – I did, but isn’t he a giant bottler?! People were saying so after the World Cup! If I remember correctly he was a giant bottler and not good enough to play for Arsenal! Good thing we didn’t sign him! Plus he is nowhere near as handsome as Giroud…

  46. Paulinho

    “He was carrying the team at that point and was too young for that amount of games. His latest injury, a bone fracture is bad luck. It could happen to anyone. Anyone who says otherwise is talking out of their arse.”

    Wenger said it’s extremely near the area when his screws are and basically admitted it was connected to the weakness in that area.

    It’s completely delusional to think his latest injury is some isolated freak event that’s not linked to general weakness in that area.

    I agree the main cause of it all is Wenger destroying him back in 10/11.

  47. Louis Almeida

    Cesc Appeal, yes I agree wholeheartedly. Just want him to go as soon as his contract finishes. I hope he does not want to renew.

    Mickey G – I do not want Arteta to return as his legs have gone but I want someone who can do what he does with greater mobility/aggressiveness. Ruben Neves at Porto is an amazing player, especially for an 18 year old but I can’t see how we are going to get him.

    I agree about Wilshere but I can’t see how he can change his style. He is a dribbler who likes to carry the ball so is always going to be susceptible to being kicked. It’s something he is going to have to deal with because if he changes his game then he loses what makes him dangerous. Unless we sign, then I’d prefer to play Wilshere next to Flamini than Ramsey but Wilshere is unreliable fitness wise so he could be in great form but it won’t last because he will go down at some point.

    Wallace – I wish I shared your optimism, I can’t see Wenger doing that in January. He’s not that ruthless.

  48. Relieable Sauce

    One of the Benders sounds plausible. A bit average and injury prone arent they?

    We need several quality signings in the next 2 windows, if you think Wenger is the man to do it you havent been paying attention.

  49. Romford Ozil Pele

    Tbh I said Higuain is a bottler and he is although his form has been good this season. But if the option was to sign him or nobody then we should’ve signed him because L’Oreal is just stressing me.

  50. BigCheese

    Anyone notice all our injuries this season were away from home?

    Wilshere – injured in training I believe.

    Coq, Arteta – WBA
    Theo, Ox – SHEFFIELD
    Ramsey – MUNICH
    Santi, Sanchez – NORWICH

    4 of which are hamstring.

    Wenger has said that this time of the year it’s a about recovery and even training is usually turned down a notch.

    Personally I’d look into how we are getting to away grounds. As all of these seem to be medium to long distances.

  51. Dissenter

    Romford,
    “Lol Dissenter chill, every player in a club has to do media duties. It’s nothing new. The club are just always looking for ways to boost their profile off the pitch. Shame the same can’t be said for what’s happening on it.”

    I disagree
    We do enough charity work to boost our profile off th field.
    Arsenal TV projects Arsenal as a big joke.
    Is “footballer manager” a business partner of Arsenal? What was th rationale of the video.
    What’s the whole point of showing us our chronically crocked players having fun playing a video game?

  52. Jim Lahey

    @Mickey G – “Would you rather watch him play week in week out for City with Pep as their manager next year?”

    Play week in week out?! When has he ever done that?!!! He has been in the first team for the last 6 years… is he really still a prospect?? And I am sorry, but even when he did have a run in the side, he was never a world beater. Sure he did it for England against a whose who of Europe’s worst sides.

    The smart thing to do would have been to sell him on for a huge fee and brough in someone like Schneiderlin or Krychowiak, both players would have made more of a contribution to the team this year. So yeah I would be fine with Jack spending his weeks on the City treatment table instead of ours.

  53. Romford Ozil Pele

    Dissenter, of all the things you could moan about RE Arsenal, I’m not sure why this grinds your gears. What should they be doing? They’re not gonna be training more than 2/3 hours a day so it’s not like they don’t have time on their hands. Lol if you don’t like it don’t watch it. I’m sure there are plenty others who enjoyed it. Just a bit of harmless fun.

  54. Dissenter

    Big cheese,
    “Anyone notice all our injuries this season were away from home? Wilshere – injured in training I believe.Coq, Arteta – WBA
    Theo, Ox – SHEFFIELD
    Ramsey – MUNICH
    Santi, Sanchez – NORWICH4 of which are hamstring. Wenger has said that this time of the year it’s a about recovery and even training is usually turned down a notch.Personally I’d look into how we are getting to away grounds. As all of these seem to be medium to long distances.”

    We took a chartered 14 minute flight to Norwich and still had injuries.
    Travel time did not dictate to Wenger to let a player with a knee injury play on for another 45 minutes. He did the same to Ozil last year before the German national team doctor diagnosed him properly.

  55. Paulinho

    Wilshere being a crock is one the biggest travesties in football.

    Think of how many amazing games/moments we’ve been denied because of his injuries.

    We needed him fit to have a chance of winning the league anyway. Our current first eleven would choke it away even if they all stayed fit. Can’t control games well enough and it would be panic stations galore during the second half of the season if we were still in contention.

  56. Dissenter

    Romford,
    You might have a point.
    It’s just annoying that we aren’t using on-field performances to boost our profile. No club ever grew or invited endorsements from displaying crocked players casually playing “football manager”
    Aargh, maybe I’m just nitpicking

  57. Thank you and goodnight

    @Cesc

    Don’t break my heart. I’m hoping wenger will sign someone in January. …ME. I’ve dusted off my boots, found my shorts….Though in fairness they look more like hot pants on me now…..and I’m good to go. I’m as prolific as sanogo up front and defensively as good as Santos. ….plus I’m cheap

  58. Romford Ozil Pele

    Wilshere being injured is a travesty because I’m still one of the few who believes in his talent. Bit disingenuous to say that he’s the catalyst for a title challenge though. We choked majorly in his only full season fit. Cesc, RVP, Nasri all went missing too. Could argue that team was more coherent than this one. I say this one has a bit more backbone though although is probably more reliant on a piece of skill to win us a game as the quality of our football can be so erratic

  59. Romford Ozil Pele

    Dissenter, for sure I agree. The biggest way to grow off the field is by being successful on it. Man United showed it for the best part of two decades. Barca’s time now. Just too much excuse making at Arsenal

  60. Paulinho

    Think he elevates our patterns of play to a level which means we are more able and equipped to deal with different styles of opponents, especially situations like Spurs away when they press us aggressively.

    This currrent team is absolute garbage at dealing with any sort of intense pressing. Spurs away, United away in the first half last season. I don’t think we would get anywhere near the title.

  61. Micheal

    I am not saying that Klopp is the Messiah. But the same players who played so badly under Rodgers are now playing impressive stuff. They have not become better players !

    Motivation is essential in any winning team. Wenger can’t motivate. Simple.

  62. London Gunner

    Ive got an issue with people defending Ramsey on the right.

    He was piss poor in defence and in attack. None of the goals were created via that wing and it was a real weakness opponents exploited.

    Yes he was full of running and effort, but the fact is despite all that his contribution was pretty minor and he often didn’t have any real impact on games.

    People can say the Coq Caz pivot wasn’t physical enough and yes they would be right, but Ramsey did little to elevate this as he was to busy up the other end of the pitch trying to get a goal and failing.

    I like Ramsey, I like aspects of his game and I actually think he is a decent creator and has penetrative passing at times, but that’s only come from a central position. He should be played in the centre otherwise I think he will regress and never reach those peak levels we saw seasons ago.

  63. Romford Ozil Pele

    Yeah I do agree. It’s his greatest trait. As a team we generally struggled when pressed. Liverpool, Saints and Spurs have all shown that in recent seasons. That said, no team generally enjoys being pressed. Wilshere is fearless in that regard because he’s the one who is comfortable when put under pressure, and it’s why his 10/12 performance against Barca gets hyped to the hills.

    But we’ve also been able to replicate that same level of pressing though not consistently. I think injuries will f**k is over this season (Wenger’s fault) but you could point to holes in every PL title chasing team.

    Look at what happened to United when we pressed them. They folded. We did the same to Liverpool at the back end of last season. I don’t think you need to be a Bayern/Barca level to win this league, you just need consistency which is what Chelsea had last season. And even Chelsea got spun by a PSG team which isn’t much to write home about.

    So yeah we’re moderately above average but I don’t think any team’s top level in this league is much higher than ours. Everyone is really floating in similar levels of shit, with problems to solve. It’s not really just exclusive to Arsenal.

  64. Bamford10

    Cesc Appeal

    “He’s old, past it, makes the same mistakes every single season, won’t be told, won’t change because he doesn’t think he needs to (it’s football that needs to change not him,) disrespectful to the fans, reacts with incredulity when questioned, idealises his squad and will not see fault in his players.”

    Nail on head.

    Romford

    Count me among the few who still believe in Jack’s talent. Question now is whether he will ever be healthy enough to realize it and whether he can mature and leave certain bad habits (over-dribbling, petulance and rash tackles) behind him.

  65. London Gunner

    Have to say Origi was very very good.

    Sturridge is such a quality striker take away his crockedness and he is a top top striker.

    Ibe I have liked for awhile.

    Can Klopp keep it up?

    Why is Tuchel doing far better than Klopp at Dortmund?

    I think Klopp is doing an outstanding job at the moment, Let’s see what happens. Either way I am happy he is in the premier league. Real class act of a guy with the Charisma to match.

  66. Romford Ozil Pele

    I didn’t say I like Ramsey on the right but I get why he plays there. Muller plays from the right a lot for Bayern but people would never call him a winger. It’s all how you interpret the role.

    Ramsey gives Arsenal and awful lot in terms of energy both offensively and defensively. He isn’t a key cog since Wenger has changed the composition of the team from what it was in 13/14

  67. Romford Ozil Pele

    Bamford – yeah I rate jack loads but I also get why people question him and want him sold. He’s one of the best paid players and he rarely ever plays. He misses half a season at a time. But I think he is so key for the composition of our midfield which is essentially the biggest problem. At his best he’s an absolute force of nature.

  68. Paulinho

    “So yeah we’re moderately above average but I don’t think any team’s top level in this league is much higher than ours. Everyone is really floating in similar levels of shit, with problems to solve. It’s not really just exclusive to Arsenal.”

    I agree at the moment, but it’s still early and teams are still jostling. Don’t be surprised to see City open up their stride in the second half of the season and show a consistently high level and leave us looking rather pathetic; stuck on our plodding gear and unable to reach higher ones. Unlike us, they have it them, as they showed in Seville. They have the tools in terms of athleticism and technique do dominate games in any scenario.

    They can also do it when they’re top of the league and dealing with pressure, whereas we only reach a high levels when we’re out of the league and playing for the Top Four Cup.

  69. Bamford10

    London

    Good to see you’re being open-minded re Klopp. As you know, I think he is fantastic.

    As for Tuchel, two things: one thing he has changed is how much work the Dortmund players do in-game; I saw one stat that said ten games in to the season, Dortmund’s players had run 50% of what they were running under Klopp. Tuchel has done this, from what I can tell, by emphasizing ball possession — team with ball does less running — and by holding a lower defensive line. Whatever “pressing” they do, it’s from a lower position on the field and so they’re covering less ground.

    Two, I believe their results have slipped a little recently. Tuchel is excellent, but even he will face difficulties. The Bunde is better, IMO, than many here admit.

  70. Cesc Appeal

    TYAGN

    You potentially could get a game at this rate!

    Would be glad to, negotiating with Wenger I think I could get you £20 000-30 000 a week.

    I will just tell him you are 5ft 6, highly technical yet restrained in possession, moody ACL and ankles made of compost.

    Like a moth to a flame.

  71. Bamford10

    Sorry, but City are much better than Arsenal. While I would grant that their best XI at its best is something like a 94/100 where this Arsenal at the same is something like a 92/100 — where a Bayern is 96/100 — the problem is that City has a deeper and higher-quality squad and can maintain their level through the vicissitudes of the season. Arsenal are thin, brittle, unbalanced, etc. Cannot maintain level.

  72. Cesc Appeal

    Stories coming out Arsenal are worried about being ‘ripped off’ in January so will pursue loan deals.

    It’s actually hilarious, we just never learn.

    We’re going to be inactive in a window, because of problems that have arisen from being inactive in a window.

    It’s like shooting yourself in the foot and then firing more bullets into your foot to try to dislodge that first bullet.

    Then, when you blow your foot off, you just say ‘what bad luck.’

    Or you get thrown the No.10 jersey at Arsenal and £100 000 a week. Either way.

  73. Bamford10

    Paulinho

    Agreed re Sturridge. And this is especially true when Coutinho returns. Coutinho will provide him with even more chances.

  74. London Gunner

    Romford

    That’s where you get it wrong though.

    Muller is a world class player and probably in a top 5-10 Attacking mids in the world.

    Ramsey isn’t.

    You can get away with playing Muller on the right because he is an exceptional all rounder he can play multiple positions to a world class standard. He is a freak an exception.

    You can’t compare Ramsey’s game to Muller.

    “Ramsey gives Arsenal and awful lot in terms of energy both offensively and defensively”

    No offence but this is pretty meaningless buzz words. It’s the usual Arsenal Hipsterisms He gives energy? He runs up and down without not contributing at all defensively and not creating from the right wing either. He isn’t efficient its wasted energy.

    I am all for playing an attacking mid/playmaker on the right wing I am not stating we need a typical winger, but Ramsey seriously doesn’t have the ability to make that right wing position his. A gotze or an Isco or James they could, but Ramsey nope. His best season was played from a central position his worse season was played from the wing.

  75. Romford Ozil Pele

    Yeah Paulinho it wouldn’t surprise me, and tbh it should be the case with the team and squad they have. But they’ve also suffered heavy defeats this season to Spurs and Liverpool. Not really been impressed by them in the CL and you know they’ll crap themselves the moment they reach a Bayern/Barca level team which is unacceptable for the money they’ve spent.

    All this isn’t to excuse us mind you. We just have a mish mash of a squad and Wenger doesn’t really know how he wants to set up. Even if everyone was fit, we’d do better but we’d still have a lot of f**k ups because of the manager. It’s him I don’t trust more than anything.

  76. Paulinho

    Bamford – Floating in from the right. They could all rotate anyway. That side would produce great football, because they all compliment each other and their strengths offset deficiencies as well.

    Wilshere would bring a higher level out of Coquelin.

  77. Romford Ozil Pele

    If everyone was fit I’d change formation and try something like this:

    Coquelin
    Ramsey Wilshere
    Özil
    Theo/Welbz Alexis

    442 diamond/4312, whatever way you wanna look at it. It’s kind of a narrow formation but you can experiment with the front three who can all rotate and drift.

  78. Romford Ozil Pele

    I’m not comparing their skill sets LG, I’m comparing their function within the set up. People lose their shit when they see Ramsey start on the right, forgetting that he’s not stuck out there. That’s only his position without the ball. He has license to roam and impact play in all areas because of his work rate and creativity.

    Anyway I wouldn’t use him on the right. I’d do something like I’ve posted above.

  79. London Gunner

    I would add I hope Klopp gets 4th place and thus champions league football over spurs or man united.

    Would prove me utterly wrong as I predicted him to finish outside the 4th spots, but at the end of the day its good to see a hungry manager going for it with proper (counter attacking) football.

  80. London Gunner

    “He has license to roam and impact play in all areas because of his work rate and creativity.”

    “Im comparing their function within the set up. ”

    I don’t think at all he has a function like Muller. In fact I don’t think you can compare anyone’s function to Muller. He is an extremely unorthodox player its precisely because of his diverse skillset he has a different function to Ramsey.

    “people lose their shit when they see Ramsey start on the right, forgetting that he’s not stuck out there. That’s only his position without the ball. He has license to roam and impact play in all areas because of his work rate and creativity.”

    This is exactly the arguments people made for Cazorla and Ozil on the wing. Its repeated and regurgitated ad nauseam. People said about both players they can be played on the wing because they have a “free role” and can “interchange” But in effect it was actually limiting players who put in much better performances being played centrally.

    It’s the same with Ramsey he is far better on the right. It’s telling that Ozil’s interchanges were superb with Sanchez on one side and tepidly cold with Ramsey on the other. Ramsey just wasn’t on the same wave length. Also when he is played on the right even if he has a “free role” he still vacates the central channels/lanes that imo is exactly where he needs to be because that is him in his element.

    Ramsey on the right is another case of Wengers square pegs in round holes.

  81. Bamford10

    Paulinho

    Makes sense, and I agree that that side would produce great football. Especially if they had a quality CF to play into. Sadly, we don’t have such a CF. 😉

  82. London Gunner

    Coquelin
    Ramsey Wilshere
    Özil
    Theo/Welbz Alexis

    I agree with this. Solid centrally. Good amount creativity. Pace up top.

    Might lack width at times in the build up, but tbh that’s the least of our worries.

  83. Romford Ozil Pele

    LG, we’re agreeing, shock horror! Yeah the formation is a bit narrow but would be good for someone like Bellerin. Anyway the formation is interchangeable and the front guys would all be happy drifting wide. It works in my mind anyway 😀

  84. Romford Ozil Pele

    Also I don’t agree about Ramsey and Özil. That’s one of the best relationships within the whole team. They have great chemistry. Do agree that Özil, Alexis relationship is improving too and that’s great to see. It’s not hard to build a relationship with Özil though. He’s a very selfless player.

  85. underrated Coq

    Looks like its Wilshere love in day on Le grove. ‘Absence makes the heart grow fonder’ has never been more true.

    Can’t remember the last time he had a great run of performances. But hey, lets reminisce about that one night against Barca all those years ago.

  86. Cesc Appeal

    Best performance Wilshere has given in recent years was against City early last season, was fantastic that day.

    But I can take or leave him, would have sold him in all honesty this summer, massively inconsistent, never fit and when rarely he is fit he doesn’t fit.

  87. Relieable Sauce

    Which Manchester club is Pogba going to sign for?

    Possibility of Messi, Neymar and Muller plying their trade in the PL next season.

  88. Carts

    “I am not saying that Klopp is the Messiah. But the same players who played so badly under Rodgers are now playing impressive stuff. They have not become better players !”

    Nah Rodgers shegged himself, the pleb.

    Did you see what he was doing with that mob.

    He got gassed off of Pep playing Russian roulette with his Bayern team, and thought he could replicate that.

    He’d approach games with a back 3 consisting on Can and Gomez. Played Markovic wing back and all kind of other weird shit.

    Klopp just went back to basic, tbh. If he keeps cotton candy Sturridge fit and gets Firmino and Coutinho blowing, then they could easily snare a top 4

  89. Carts

    RP, I agree that stability is the key to most success, nowadays. And I see where Wenger attempt to do this. But the problem is that he’s doing it with average players who simply don’t have much more to give. He’s revving the shit out of a 1.2 punto hooping it’ll eventually do 180mph top speed.

    Our player and his tactics are not cohesive anymore. His strategy isn’t conducive; made even more comical by his lack of strengthening the team. Has it occurred to anyone that maybe Wenger really doesn’t know how to spend money.

    We done well with Sanchez and Cech. Depending on what side of the bed you sleep, he’s done well with Ozil. And the like of Bellerin and Coquelin has stepped up. But, frankly, that isn’t enough.

  90. Carts

    Lahey, i see why he’s assumed the “flop/choker” moniker, notwithstanding, he’s still a beast and playing for any top 4 team in EPL could well produce Suarez/Aguero figures.

  91. Danish Gooner

    We need a quality striker more then ever but as they are expensive it will never happen so status quo will be us failing to put away chances and finishing 4th then wenger will say we had ze injuries and next season will be different and during the summer we will be signing top,top qualidee i f we can find it,then 31st of August he will say ,all my servants are trying to fix deals but it is hard and on 1st of september he will say how close we came to signing x,y or z.Wash,rinse,repeat,

  92. Romford Ozil Pele

    “Possibility of Messi, Neymar and Muller plying their trade in the PL next season.”

    No chance any of them are here IMO

  93. Wallace

    all of our really good displays over the last 2yrs have usually featured a starring performance from Cazorla. it’s his relationship with Ozil that is our most important, and why I think we’re probably fucked.

  94. Carts

    The fact Wilshere is so often injured, when he is fit you don’t even know what to do with ol’boy. He looks good when he’s up to speed, but it’s getting to a stage where it might be wiser to move him on.

    We aren’t a charity and unless he overcome these injuries then we have to replace him.

    That’s life i’m afraid.

  95. Carts

    Cesc

    Wahahahaha – it’s like going to a market in North Africa with a transparent rucksack full of cash not understanding why Abdul, the Saffron seller, wants $100 a gram as opposed to matey downtown, in your city, for $10 a gram.

    Really is a shambles.

  96. DUIFG

    all of our really good displays over the last 2yrs have usually featured a starring performance from Cazorla. it’s his relationship with Ozil that is our most important, and why I think we’re probably fucked.

    pretty much our passing fluency starts and ends with cazorla, when hes off the whole thing is off. massive loss.

    So predictable, only a few wengerites could claim that this was anything but tottally forseeable

  97. Carts

    ““Possibility of Messi, Neymar and Muller plying their trade in the PL next season.””

    After the stunt City have just pulled, I wouldn’t bet against it. Don’t get me started on Barcelona..what’s it 75% wage to turnover. Lawd!

  98. Romford Ozil Pele

    Santi plays in a key area of the pitch but physically his body is only getting worse from here. Need to look at how we address that. Wilshere when fit can reproduce that. Obviously he’s never fit so it’s a bit of a non starter but we need to find someone who can build our attack a effectively from deep with good physical conditioning.

  99. Romford Ozil Pele

    Barca are gonna sell Messi and Neymar? Yeah good luck with that one. It’s like people don’t realise the money they’re already earning. City can’t do anything for them that Barca don’t already do.

  100. Romford Ozil Pele

    “The away fans and I tend see the same bunch most games and it’s like a big family”

    Nah not really. Not sure what games you go to. Football fans, including Arsenal fans, are fickle and tend to go with the grain. You could go to one game we’re losing and the fans are ranting and raving. Go to another one and you hear the fans like Wenger is the second coming of the messiah. Don’t think I’ve heard Wenger’s name sung as much as I have done when Welbz scored the winner at OT in March. A lot of fans don’t want Wenger to go because they see him as part of the furniture and have never known anything else.

    Football is life. You have ups and downs and you live with it. Don’t think my passion for Arsenal has ever wavered. I’m blessed that I can afford to go to both home and away games. Ideally I’d like Wenger to go but the powers that be above won’t sanction anything like that. They’re all white middle class 60 something men. It’s a stale board and they’re all adverse to change. Most of them wouldn’t last a minute in the city.

    Don’t even know what I’m getting at here but I it’s disingenuous to say that the home fans want him to stay and away fans want him gone. That’s just a lie tbh.