Arsenal vs Watford: Don’t screw it up boys 🚨🚨🚨

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It’s match day. Finally, a bit of football goodness, back in my life. Also, back in your life. It’s in all our lives. It never dies.

Arsene Wenger says we have to bring some urgency to the game.

“The level of champions and people who want to fight at the top is urgency, and urgency is something that keeps you alert, so we know what will be expected of us.

“We have to be conscious that it will be a different game at Watford, but the level of urgency is a big part of success and that is what we work on.”

He’s right. A slow start can’t be on the agenda. I want to see us destroy quickly and then get some players in the changing room having a rest.

Watford won’t be a breeze like United was. They won’t play to our strenghts. They’ll likely have a plan to nullify what we’re about.

I’d imagine they might try and capitalise on tired legs. They’ll start fast and try and catch us napping.

Big questions around resting players. This game isn’t a major one in terms of toughness, and it’d probably be smart for the boss to bring some rotation. Sanchez was played last week and he’ll have contended with a long flight. Last thing we need to be doing with him is throwing him into a 90minutes slog.

However, the form he’s in might make the temptation too strong. He can’t play all the games though. This would be a good one to leave him on the bench for.

Wenger also took time out to state the obvious.

“I would say the Premier League is the most important competition for us.”

Yep. The Champions league was a slag anyway.

“[We] are back and capable to get the best players. I think Man United game can increase the belief and hunger of the players.”

Yes Arsene. The belief is key here. Belief and hunger. Hunger is the most important thing for me. Sometimes we’re hungry, sometimes we’re the cat that won’t eat cat food because  it prefers butchers cut ham. I’m not sure how we get our team to starve in the week. Because sometimes there’s a collective sigh of ‘I don’t give a f*ck’ and it kills us time and time again.

It’s a motivation issue. Wenger has struggled with the new breed of players he’s brought in to get them to bleed for the cause. How do we get some nasty into the side? How do we find our winnertivity? How do you break through the glass ceiling of comfort into a higher place of competitiveness?

This is what our next 6 games aim to address. We have a group of quite uninspiring games. A group of fairly winnable games (bar the Bayern matches). A group of games we’d normally screw up in.

We can’t screw up if we’re serious about the most winnable league in decades.

Enjoy the game wherever you may be.


742 Responses to “Arsenal vs Watford: Don’t screw it up boys 🚨🚨🚨”

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  1. GTID

    Daz, how are you ?

    After not seeing the team play in what seems to be like ages, the pre-match analysis just sound too negative to me… Actually killed my excitement.

  2. daz

    GTID I’m good going have some toast now and a nice cup of coffee

    Mr T oh shit I forgot that word is banned on here let’s hope I don’t get caught

  3. Johnty79

    If wenger plays Sanchez he needs his head testing. He should play full strength against bayern and rotate in the premierleague games in between. But he won’t..he never rested vieira and Henry before champs league games hence we never won it. Shear stupidity from wenger.

    Ozil giroud ox
    Arteta Ramsay carzorla
    Gibbs mert gab debauchy

    Then play full strength against bayern

  4. Dissenter

    If Wenger does not play Sanchez, then he needs his head tested, to turn Johnty’s argument on its head.
    Sanchez played on Monday night and got back to London on Tuesday night, he’s trained for three consecutive days. The Bayern game is at home, so what the f***k are people talking about. The guy is on a run of good form, why would you kill it by dropping him on the bench. Didn’t he get an extended break in the summer?
    Watford have a very good young manager who’s tactically sound. They also have a striker who know how to score. This game has all the makings of a dropped two points.
    If we are to do well against Bayern, it will be because we played well as a team not because of a rested Sanchez.
    Sanchez’ brilliance might single handedly win at Watford but won’t be that crucial against Bayern.

    Besides, the CL is a lost cause, admit it and move on.

  5. Sukky

    I think alexie should be rested. Ox is more than a capable deputy. Carzola and Koscielny should sit this one out too. 2 changes won’t destroy the team organisation. Well, you never know which arsenal will show up.

  6. Bigper

    On the one hand we should be able to beat Watford without Sanchez if we have any aspirations of being good enough to win the league, on the other hand we have a much better chance of winning the league than the champions league lol so you could argue we should treat the league with more importance. It’s a difficult call

  7. R.S.P.C.Arsenal


    Did you sort out the j Edgar ?

    I’m deffo going to hunt down bottles of red lion …

    Sounds like a good brew

    There are a couple of offys in soho that import from found the globe.

    Mid I did your uk bet …

    Freaking big odds….

    Fingers crossed .

  8. Bankz

    Bigper- Sanchez is like Messi and Ronaldo, he wants to play every single game.
    moreover it’s october…….I don’t think rotation should be our main priority especially in the EPL.
    The premier league is more winnable than the Champions league……..infact we will not win the champions league under Wenger

  9. Bamford10

    Let’s see which Arsenal show up today — the Arsenal of the United match, or the other, less formidable Arsenal.

    I will be watching Theo in particular and hoping for continued improvement. I think he may be finding himself as a CF.

    Let’s hope.

  10. daz

    Liverpool relying on sturridge would be insane if they sold any CF they would need another straight away as sturridge might as well not be in the squad

  11. Nasri's Mouth


    They’ve got too many strikers really, just not enough good,fit, experienced ones.

    Wouldn’t surprise me if there were changes in the summer. Will depend on who’s available, which will depend on whether they get top 4

  12. Dissenter

    I got that wrong, Sanchez played on Tuesday but there’s no reason why he shouldn’t feature in today’s game.
    We need momentum because the United win came at the wrong end of the international break.

    I think the league is in play this year because of city’s injury problem with Aguero and the rise of mid-table clubs. The league is our priority.

    I must be the only one who does not care if we lose at home and away to Bayern. The CL is a lost cause.

  13. Dissenter

    People forget the mayhem thatnSanchez brings even when we lose the ball. His pressing and tenacity to win the ball back creates problems for the opposition, admittedly it also makes him more likely to get injured.
    Oxlade, I just don’t trust. It may be that he’s trying too hard but something’s not quite right with him.

  14. Bamford10

    Ajax set to send Sanogo back to Arsenal. How embarrassing.

    This a player whom Arsene Wenger STARTED against Bayern in the CL, a player whom Wenger thought deserved as much “talk” from fans and media as any 50m player.

    Turns out he is another bargain bin player who was in the bargain bin for a reason.

  15. Bamford10


    You haven’t the faintest idea what caused this or that Liverpool injury. Please stop with the “Klopp’s training methods caused it” nonsense.

  16. Jamie

    Sanogo is probably on 20k a week. Criminal behaviour from Wenger to offer a player of his calibre that kind of money.

    He literally should be on a postman’s wage, with incentives for scoring goals.

  17. bennydevito


    Mighty fine impressive run there, for a second I thought you might have smashed the Bankzy. But no, the 54 still stands, but with N5’s 45 I think your 36 could well be 3rd.

    Well done MrT for protecting the record. Aint nobody breaking Bankz’ record you crazy fools!

    Ha ha!

    Except me.

    Until then, #TeamBankz

    Lols! Afternoon Grovers,

  18. Bamford10


    There was absolutely no sign of sarcasm in your short post, and there are others here who would make such a comment in earnest, so my mis-reading of your tone — if that’s what it was — was unsurprising.

    And save your “pipe downs” for someone else. Thanks.

  19. london gunner


    You are a KKB klopp knows best.

    But in all honesty you are as bad as the AKB’s in your fan boy behaviour

  20. Dissenter

    Nasri’s mouth,
    Yes, I agree with you about Ramsey, nothing is going in for him these days. The lone goal that he should have scored against Liverpool was mistakenly disallowed.

    When he scores one, it might open a flood of goals for him.

  21. Dissenter

    This game won’t prove anything about Klopp.
    It’s just players trying to impress their new manager. They Liverpool players are on some kind of sugar high.
    We won’t see Klopp in them until probably next weekend.

  22. bennydevito


    LOL! No, not really, I’ve been around far too long to take it that seriously!

    Buuuuuut…. if one Sunday morning I happen to do a refresh and the post is there with no comments…..

    Be rude not to, surely!?

  23. Nasri's Mouth


    I think it’ll take at least 3 or 4 games to be honest.

    Added to that Liverpool are missing a few important players at the moment.

  24. bennydevito

    London, N5,

    Does that mean Liverpool fans will be known as the KKK?

    Klopp Knows Kopp

    Klopp know Klan? Too much?

  25. Bamford10


    If there were as much evidence of Klopp’s incompetence as there is of Wenger’s, — there is NO evidence of incompetence on Klopp’s part, btw — and if I performed intellectual gymnastics in order to defend him or continued to believe in him simply on faith, you might have a point.

    As usual, though, you don’t.

  26. Nasri's Mouth

    Bamford10: there is NO evidence of incompetence on Klopp’s part, btw

    Oh brilliant!

    Did you sleep from August till January last season?

  27. Jeff

    Nothing I’ve seen so far in this Liverpool and Tottenham game leads me to think Liverpool’s season is about to take off. The game has nee pretty boring really.

  28. Bamford10


    Klopp’s last season with Dortmund was a result of injuries, departures and fatigue. Dortmund were never poorly organized, never poorly trained or prepared, nor did Klopp ever sign poor players or play players out of position, mismanage players, etc.

    If I made a list of Wenger’s various failings and errors over the years, one could not pin a single one of those on Klopp, who is a proper manager, indeed an excellent manager.

    Simply because a team has a poor season does not mean the manager is poor. One has to look at the decisions the manager makes, the organization of the team, the preparedness, the signings, etc.

  29. bennydevito

    Good post Pedro & I like Wenger’s words regarding the urgency needed to be champions. We’ve been saying for groundhogs how we don’t come alive until we’re chasing a game with 10mins to go so I’m expecting a solid 3 nil today at least.

    I’ve got a weird feeling at the moment, something’s in the air, something big. Call me deluded but I’ll explain.

    I reckon the board and Wenger are now indeed planning Wenger’s retirement and succession. Things the board and Wenger have said lead me to this. Wenger’s not stupid. Arrogant yes, stubborn, yes, obstinate, yes, but stupid? No. He knows he can’t go on forever and he’s said he wants to leave behind a better Arsenal than now.

    What if the money wasn’t spent because actually the top, top players really weren’t available? Players of Ozil’s and Sanchez’s calibre I’m talking about. But they could be if say, they were promised that Guardiola was replacing Wenger for example.

    We need a WC beast midfielder and WC striker.

    Paul Pogba. We bought Henry from Juventus and he went on to become an Arsenal legend. The path is trampled, French, next big thing, the true heir to Vieira. Could easily join us as a stepping stone to Spain if we don’t become dominant at home and in Europe. £60m to £80m gets him.

    Neymar. Wenger said years ago that if he could spend £50m on one player it would be Neymar and that was before he joined Barcelona. £50m then can’t be far off £100m now in this oil fuelled transfer market. £60m to £90m gets him. But why would Neymar leave Barcelona for us? For a new challenge, to live in London, play in the Premier League, play under Guardiola. £200m gets both of those and some in my opinion.

    I really feel we’re on the verge of something big, something special. I could be wrong and it all goes to shit starting this weekend but for now I choose to believe that we should see Wenger’s contract out with respect and belief in the team.

    Belief that we can be champions again this or next season and win the Champions League within the next 5 to 10 seasons.

    Let’s stop squabbling and start supporting.

  30. karim


    You can rest assured the Men In Black are gonna destroy France who have been absolutely terrible for the last 4 years !
    I think a 30-point gap is reasonable, that’s how confident we are right now !

    In other news,

    Watford 1
    Men In Red And White 3

  31. WengerEagle

    ‘Klopp’s last season with Dortmund was a result of injuries, departures and fatigue’

    Fatigue was down to his pressing over the years taking its toll which is his responsibility alone surely?

    And injuries and departures, lol mate do those excuses not sound familiar to you?

    Your bias is shining through here.

  32. Jeff

    The hidden AKB agenda here is of course that if Klopp is a flop, it immediately makes Wenger worth keeping. Tenuous link after tenuous link is the name of the game all for the sole purpose of keeping the faith in a manager who has neither the will nor the skill to win anything big any more no matter who plays for us. It isn’t me that says that, it’s the last decade.

  33. WengerEagle

    No one is calling Klopp a flop Jeff, well I sure am not.

    It’s just funny how some (*cough* Bamford) think that he can do no wrong and that the sun shines out of his backside.

  34. Nasri's Mouth

    Jeff: The hidden AKB agenda here is of course that if Klopp is a flop, it immediately makes Wenger worth keeping.

    No, if Klopp is a flop, it just means Wenger is worth keeping AHEAD of Klopp.

    And very few people think Klopp will be a flop,just that he’s going to find it hard to break into the top 4 with that existing Liverpool squad, and really hard to win the league unless he gets very lucky

  35. Bamford10


    As I say, simply because a team goes through a poor run of results does not mean the manager is “incompetent”. Plenty of excellent managers have had teams who went through poor runs. In order to claim “incompetence,” you have to be able to point to specific things, e.g., poor organization, poor tactics, poor training, poor preparation, poor player management, poor signings, etc.

    None of these things can be attributed to Klopp.

    MAYBE one could say that he stuck with the high-energy pressing approach even when there were signs that his team didn’t have the legs for it, but that would be a relatively small error in the grand scheme of things — especially when one looks at the quality Klopp produced at Dortmund (back to back titles, lopsided wins over Madrid, Bayern, a CL final, all on a limited budget).

    Wenger, in contrast, has made many, many errors, many different types of errors, has many, many failing, and he could never accomplish what Klopp accomplished. Never.

  36. Dissenter

    I have nothing against Klopp but I really dislike Liverpool and their army of biased pundits.
    The enthusiasm and hope that’s pervading merseyside is annoying to say the least.
    Klopp will have to bring in 2-4 players over the next two transfer windows to have a chance.

    At least he has Chan and Couthino already to build around.

  37. Nasri's Mouth

    Bamford10: and he could never accomplish what Klopp accomplished. Never.

    What? You mean having to leave after finishing 7th in the league ?

    Yeah, you’re probably right

  38. bennydevito


    It might be in your world but not mine. I’m not happy with 4th and haven’t been for years and have wanted Wenger gone but for now I think we should see where the next 2 seasons take us.

  39. Jeff


    You may have missed the point of my post. What Klopp does or doesn’t do does not change the fact that Wenger is incapable of winning anything major. That logically means only a change in management can have any effect on that. It is like saying we know this road we are on is not taking us where we want to go but we are terrified of changing direction in case we get even more lost.

  40. Bamford10


    Wenger has had his team at the top of the injury table for years. Had Klopp? Wenger has had YEARS to correct for and adapt to departures. Klopp had months.

    The resemblance between my explanation of Klopp’s last year there and the excuses cited by AKBs for Wenger’s last 7-8 years is entirely superficial. Their two situations are/were very different, and their approaches to managing are very different.

  41. Nasri's Mouth


    It’s going to depend on what the clubs expectations are.

    Clearly there are some Liverpool fans who think they’re going to win the league with Reus and Lewandowski up front, and Gundogan protecting the back 4.

    But I’d imagine the club are aiming for top 4. They could do that with the existing squad this season, if they can keep them fit.

    (could as in it’s possible, not likely)

  42. Bamford10


    No, I mean back-to-back Bunde titles and lopsided wins against the best teams in the world.

    Wenger can’t even compete for such things.

    Nice try, though.

    And by the way, given the state of his squad last season, 7th place was actually a pretty good accomplishment.

    The best thing, though, is that you say all of this as a defender of Arsene Wenger, easily the most incompetent manager in all of top flight football. No question.

  43. WengerEagle

    ‘And by the way, given the state of his squad last season, 7th place was actually a pretty good accomplishment.’

    Tuchel is doing alright with basically the same squad this seaosn…

  44. Nasri's Mouth


    1. I’m not sure there’s proof to say Wenger IS incapable of winning anything major

    (loving the narrative that the FA Cup ISN’T major by the way)

    2. A Change of management MIGHT make us more likely to win, but it could also make us more likely to lose more, or to stay in a similar position

    I’d love it if we find a manager that’s better than Wenger, but I’d hate it if we found a worse one.

  45. Bamford10


    No one expects him to finish top four with the existing squad, which is a bit poor really.

    The question is whether he can improve them over the next two years and challenge for the title in the next four. His aim, he says, is to win the title in the next four.

    For me there is no question he is capable of this. He’ll need new players, though, no doubt.

  46. Nasri's Mouth

    Bamford10: easily the most incompetent manager in all of top flight football. No question.

    You have to write FACT at the end of that to make it true you know?

  47. Bamford10

    The FA Cup isn’t a major trophy. The major trophies today are the EPL and CL titles. End of. The FAC is clearly not equal to those.

    On top of this, if it were still a major trophy, would the likes of Hull City and Aston Villa have been finalists? Or does the presence of such average teams in the final suggest that the best teams prioritize the EPL and CL? The latter obviously.

    The FAC is an honor, but it pales in comparison to the EPL and CL. Pales.

  48. Goondawg

    Bamfords ejaculation of Klopp is hysterical. How you can literally determine the rest of Jurgen Klopps liverpool career after 90 mins of football is beyond me. I remember a Brendan Rodgers team that used to press as well two seasons ago.

  49. underrated Coq


    ” Wenger has had his team at the top of the injury table for years. Had Klopp? Wenger has had YEARS to correct for and adapt to departures. Klopp had months.”

    We had this debate a few days back. Don’t you think it would be wise to hold off all this praising of Klopp until he shows he can change/adapt ? His last job ended in a total disaster and its not even been a week since his new one and here you are, going on and on about how he’s much, much better than Wenger.

    And you wonder why I brought out the premature ejaculation analogy the other day?

  50. Jeff


    My assertion is based on the real concrete statistics of the last decade. Yours is based on faith. It really is simple as that.

    As for your second point, it fits the analogy of not changing direction in case things get worse. If this was merely the first few years of that decade I keep talking about, I’d be with you all the way. But Wenger has failed the test of time and I know you will have at the ready a string of excuses and mitigations, but it is undoubtedly becoming more and more palpable, especially in the last 5 years.

    And finally, no the FA cup is not a major trophy for lesser clubs than us have won it. If you needed reminding, the majors in most people’s view are the PL and the CL.

  51. Bamford10


    All you have is snark. I think many here agree with me that Wenger is the most incompetent of any manager of any “top” team (top 12 in the world, say).

    If I am wrong, please cite a more incompetent manager in that flight of managers. Thanks.

  52. daz

    Klopp is a good manager not anything special I like his style and he seems like a good guy but you can’t really compare him to Wenger he’s had a couple of good seasons then fell apart and left, on the other hand Wenger has never had a bad season he’s had plenty of just OK seasons which for us as fans isn’t something to be happy with but he’s never crashed and he has faced more difficulties with losing players to injury or being poached than any other top manager I can think of, but if you want to say klopp is a victim of these issues then blame Wenger for having those issues doesn’t make sense

  53. naijagunner

    How can you have so much hate for a multi millionaire who doesn’t even know you. A man whose name is known all over the world. Who shares dinner tables with the elite.

    And all u do is spend every waking name calling him incompetent under a name that isn’t even yours.
    The most incompetent manager in top flight football. What arrant nonsense.

  54. Bamford10


    Try to make a decent argument. I haven’t “determined the course of Klopp’s future career”. I have simply said that I think he is capable of challenging for and winning the EPL title in the next four years.

    This is based on having watched his teams over the past four years.

    You may disagree, but there’s nothing unreasonable (or faith-based) about my view.

  55. Redtruth

    Teams field weakened teams in the FA Cup, prioritise league status over the FA Cup and FA Cup has also lost it’s magic since Semi-Finals began to be played at Wembley.

  56. Jeff

    I would much rather a manager who wins big trophies every year or every couple of years and crashes once in a while than a manger who never wins anything big and never crashes either.

  57. Bamford10


    Who among the top 12 is more incompetent? Pray tell.

    Which of them signs a Sanogo and starts him against a Bayern in the CL? Who among them says a Sanogo deserves as much talk as any 50m player?

    One could go on all day with examples of his idiocy and incompetence. One can do no such thing with other top managers.

    Make a counterargument if you don’t like the claim.

    Everything else you’ve said — dinners with important people? huh? — is meaningless and irrelevant.

  58. Jeff

    Notice the number of available streams for the Liverpool game being much greater than any of the others on FSI. It is usually an indication of how important people think the match is. They would have been very sorely disappointed by the play and the final result. LOL.

  59. nepGunner

    Nasri’s “Stinking” Mouth

    All I see from you is pick up smippets from peoples’ comments a rant your AKB agenda.

    No FAC is not a major trophy in any say compared to EPL and CL. Popularity wise, viewership wise, strength wise or prize money wise

    I do wonder why u r here in the first place knowing the nature if this blog? You hv some deep rooted issues u need to get check yourself into a rehab of some sorts

  60. Jeff

    Right. Choices, choices. Do I watch the Chelsea game or the Man U one. I want to have a good laugh (again) at Mourinho’s expense today so I’ll go for Chelsea.

  61. Bamford10


    Well, for two reasons:

    – One, at the moment no one here is criticizing/attacking anyone at Arsenal who deserves defending. When in the past people have attacked — unfairly, IMO — players such as Wilshere or Oxlade, I have defended them.

    I’ll let you know if/when someone attacks someone at Arsenal unfairly.

    – Two, there is ultimately more to criticize than defend at Arsenal. Sad but true.

    – Three, as a football fan — not just an Arsenal fan — I have strong views that stretch beyond Arsenal.

    For example, if Marble tells us that Zinedine Zidane was “all hype” — as he has — then I will defend Zidane. Did Zidane play for Arsenal? No, but he was a fantastic footballer — one of the greatest ever — so I will defend him. I do so as a football fan.