Did Robin Van Persie shoot for the wrong type of glory? 🏆😢

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It’s Wednesday… the halfway point in the working week. The day that can lead to a broken Friday. If you start boozing today, you’ll feel terrible tomorrow so you’ll go for more beers on Thursday. Then Friday lands.

‘Well jeez Hank, you’d best make sure you’re not going home at 6, it’s Beerday afternoon and we have you 7 beers ready’

More beers ensue.

Strategically, this is an important day if you’re planning on having a decent Saturday.

It’s even more important for me these days because Arsenal games are so much earlier. The Watford game this weekend is a pretty late one at 1230! Imagine that, the late kick off being at 1230.

Anyway, think before you drink.

So first on the topic board this morning is the demise of Robin Van Persie. Part of me is a bit like… well, he left us to win the Premier League and he won the Premier League. Part of me thinks that the short term shot in the arm of glory sometimes isn’t worth it.

Now, rose tinted spectacles here. My view is that we could have won the league had Robin stayed on that summer and played for us. He was that gifted. That special. We were on the way up as well (rose tinted?). With him in the side, maybe we’d have attracted better talent. Had a better run etc. He was a one man team. He one man teamed for the enemy.

On a personal level. He’d have been captain for us. He’d have won a couple of FA Cups for sure, because that happened and nothing would change that in my time machine. He’d still be with us. He’d still be relatively important in the same way Thierry kind of was (we’d have a better team, so less scowls). He’d be a legend of the club. He’d be revered by fans of all clubs. He’d be happy right now.

As it panned out. It was suspected he preserved himself under Moyes to have a great World Cup. Holland didn’t have a great World Cup that he captained. He came back to United. LVG hated him, he hated LVG.

Then, inexplicably, a player of that talent gets shipped off to Turkey? When you’re that good, you don’t need to be worry about pensions because you earned all the cash already? How did he end up there at 31? Surely there was another team in the league who’d have taken him?

Anyway, shock horror. He hates it in Turkey. His public displays of disdain are embarrassing. BUT, even better, he dropped an own goal of hilarious gaffness yesterday. This goal has knocked Holland out of the Euros, so it’s kind of like he’s gone from hero, to Gareth Southgate like zero with one shocking header. He’s also rumoured to have had a pre-match bust up with Depay, which always makes the hate more intense.

AMAZING.

What’s worth more in life, a Premier League trophy and eternal hatred as a player and a man? Or sticking it out, becoming a legend and not being hated because you’re perceived as a nice guy.

Amazing how small decisions around greed can impact your life so drastically.

Glory comes in all shapes and sizes. Robin maybe shot for the wrong type.

What do you think?

298 Responses to “Did Robin Van Persie shoot for the wrong type of glory? 🏆😢”

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  1. Marko

    Before RVPs departure the Club had intimated it would spend that summer

    Tom to be fair they’ve been saying that a lot over the years only for countless players to leave.

    I completely disagree about Van Persie being in a similar situation to Lewandowski and Gotze. For one thing and basically what it all boils down to is most of his time at Arsenal was spent in and out of the treatment room bar like an excellent 1 and a half to 2 seasons from him. Out of 8!!! So just as he came good he left us? Funny how he wasn’t ambitious and kicking up murder about our transfer policy when his various hamstring, knee and ankle injuries were taking place. In saying all that if we waited another season or two before he left we probably wouldn’t of gotten 24 million so whatever

  2. Leedsgunner

    ‘Hilarious really because I thought RvP was a Arsenal fan as a little boy wasn’t he?’

    Wenger Eagle, fair enough… :). However I thought RvP released pictures of his boyhood room decked out in Arsenal colours like Jenks? Have I got that wrong?

  3. WengerEagle

    Leeds

    Play-off mate. Has me worried because there are a few tricky teams in there namely Croatia, Turkey and Ukraine with Turkey in particular a dangerous draw IMO. Some top quality players in Turan, Calhanoglu and Inan.

    Yeah the Keano presser was funny, the bit about Robbie Keane breastfeeding yeah? He’s a clever guy with a great sense of humour, just is a shame that he’s not a bit more likeable and has a nasty/bitter streak in him. Still makes for a decent pundit. The jury is out on him as a manager as he had a bit of a mixed time at Sunderland and a disastrous spell at Ipswich.

    Keano is tough but Simeone would have him for breakfast, he’s a proper hard geezer from a rough part of Buenos Aires which is worlds away from Cork where Keane hails from.

  4. Marko

    he gave his all for the club in the 8 years that he was here.

    Again this stuff. Van Persie was literally fit for maybe like two or three seasons of football honestly. And this is coming from someone who was a big fan but come on. I suppose Rosicky (love him) gave his all too forgetting the fact he’s been injured like 70% of the time

  5. Marko

    Also Henry’s leaving while still bad we absolutely got his best years no doubt about that you could see that in his final season. With Van Persie we got one and a bit good seasons out of him prior to that he was bit part/injured

  6. WengerEagle

    ‘For one thing and basically what it all boils down to is most of his time at Arsenal was spent in and out of the treatment room bar like an excellent 1 and a half to 2 seasons from him. Out of 8!!!’

    This tends to get over-exaggerated IMO, he played 30+ matches in 4 of those 6 other seasons that you’re talking about with some big goals in there, I remember his winner at the Emirates vs United, his two goals to give us a rare victory at Stamford Bridge 2-1, his brace in the 2005 Cup Semi Final vs Blackburn, could find a dozen more examples. It’s not just like you can write off his contribution to the team in those previous 6 seasons (73 goals in 196 apps which is more than decent considering he wasn’t a striker for his first few seasons here)

    ‘So just as he came good he left us? Funny how he wasn’t ambitious and kicking up murder about our transfer policy when his various hamstring, knee and ankle injuries were taking place.’

    Mate if he was 24 I’d probably agree with you but think about it, he was turning 29 years old and with a fragile history injury-wise, was he really not going to be interested in joining a team that were title winners in 4 of the previous 6 seasons given that we were literally further away from winning the title than when he joined us as a 21 year old? What did you expect him to do, hang around here and hope for the best? Come on. Our 2011/12 squad was miles away from being BPL challengers, we had an awful squad.

  7. WengerEagle

    ‘Not to mention he’s being paid extremely well to give his ALL.’

    Lol fair enough was just using it as a contrast to Cesc/Henry’s sulky figures in their last seasons at the club.

    Henry was outwardly critical of his team mates every time that they misplaced a pass, he was scowling and throwing his hands up in the air long before Cristiano Ronaldo brought it into fashion.

  8. steve

    “We would never have won the League or the FA cup with him in the side.”

    ____

    Except the fact that we actually did win the FA-cup with him in the side.

  9. WengerEagle

    Disagree, Henry was phenomenal for Barcelona in 2008/09, two years later. Something like 26 goals in 40 apps he scored with countless assists, all from a wide left position.

    He was still dicking Casillas and Real at the Bernabeu at this stage.

    He had plenty more to give when he left us.

  10. WengerEagle

    ‘Except the fact that we actually did win the FA-cup with him in the side’

    Yep, didn’t he score a penalty for us in the shootout vs United?

    Brace vs Blackburn in the Semi’s too with one of the goals an absolute worldie.

  11. Marko

    Yeah checked up on his appearance stats there. I don’t think it tells the whole story though especially since the first couple seasons he was a bit part winger/second striker. I just seem to remember it was literally only the last season or two where he was staying fit and consistent but again had we kept him a year or two more we would of gotten peanuts for him. Sure United got one good season out of him also before he started to croak. I just don’t think it’s fair he should be considered a legend. A legend for what for just being here 8 years? I suppose Rosicky will be an Arsenal legend too. For like a decade or so

  12. Marko

    WE Henry had an alright time at Barca but definately nothing like the years we got from him. Not even close. His age and everything the move to Spain with it’s slightly less intense football was perfect

  13. tom

    I feel Keane doesn’t have the discipline or temperament for management.
    How long before he’d fall out with press and owners?
    I have huge respect for his game and recognise him as a classic PL character, but management? Beyond potentially great motivational skill, what would he offer?

  14. WengerEagle

    ‘I’ve probably forgiven him now, because of his current actions. That doesn’t mean I’m gagging for him to be our next manager though’

    Yeah but that doesn’t change how you felt about him at the time and for some years afterwards I’m guessing?

    I’m not saying that RVP will be training our kids in the future or anything but stranger things happen in football.

    Also don’t really think that RVP’s move was any more calculated, if anything Henry’s had me more upset because he was going to the club who we lost the 2006 UCL Final to largely because of his wasteful finishing.

  15. WengerEagle

    ‘Beyond potentially great motivational skill, what would he offer?’

    Yeah agree with this tbh, he doesn’t strike me as being cut out for management. Too volatile and emotional I think, takes everything too personally and is one-dimensional in that he doesn’t seem to possess much more than classic in your face motivational tactics when dealing with players.

    He just falls out with too many people, you have to adapt to Roy when for a manager it should be the opposite.

  16. tom

    For me the difference with Henry’s exit was he had already delivered so much, Barca of the day was the best team on earth and were willing to pay his value, he didn’t join a rival and, imo, he’d already peaked.

    Cesc was destined for Barca and I was prepared when it happened. Plus he gave us a season or two more than he might have.

    I think both players were genuine in their affection for the club.

  17. Marko

    I seem to remember the general consensus when Henry left was of disappointment whereas with RVP it was anger. To be fair most of the guys who’ve left I’m beyond hating even Adebayor with his family taking advantage of his money and him barely being a professional footballers these days is just an afterthought. I just take offense when we start labeling RVP as an Arsenal legend. Fabregas was more of an Arsenal legend than him cause we got much more for longer out of him than we did Robin. He’s still a prick though

  18. tom

    I think any player who spends a decade at AFC gets special status. Not legend necessarily, but admittance to the pantheon.

    O’Leary is a legend, right?

  19. WengerEagle

    Marko

    It’s not about being a legend though, I don’t consider him an Arsenal legend.

    It’s about his move to United which I couldn’t argue with at the time and still don’t see how it was the wrong thing to do. He went and won the BPL making a huge difference, he was the golden boot winner. He couldn’t have forseen Fergie buggering off after a season. especially as Fergie personally told him that he would be there throughout his contract (He said this in his book that he had to apologise to RVP for going back on his word).

    Funnily enough most Gooners I talk to DO consider Rosicky to be an Arsenal legend.

    I wouldn’t, that term is thrown around too lightly for me, just like ‘world class’.

    Love Rosicky having said that.

  20. tom

    I was pretty hurt when Vieira left.
    He was at his peak and could have kept us at the top.
    Wonderful as Cesc was, he could never be as influential.

  21. WengerEagle

    ‘WE Henry had an alright time at Barca but definately nothing like the years we got from him. Not even close. His age and everything the move to Spain with it’s slightly less intense football was perfect’

    Alright? Mate he won the sextuple and was heavily influential in 2008/09. Even in 2007/08 where he scored 19 goals he got a lot more assists and played quite well, Barcelona as a whole were shambolic that season before Pep came and got the house in order.

    I don’t buy the whole ‘less intense’ argument, he scored in big matches vs Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, Valencia and was a regular scorer in the UCL, scored vs Bayern Munich in the QF from the top of my head.

    He wasn’t peforming at god-like Henry levels of 2005/06 sure but he still had a massive contribution to make when he jumped ship is what I’m saying.

  22. tom

    There are lesser legends who carry the tag with those who remember them.
    Maybe Rosicky is like that.
    Then there are proper legends , famous beyond their eras , like Brady and Bergkamp and Bastin.

  23. Nasri's Mouth

    @WengerEagle

    No chance RvP is coming back. Whether he ever wanted to or not, he burnt his boats with the club.

  24. Dissenter

    All this talk of “legends” is somewhat childish.
    It’s like trying to define what a “world class” player is.

    Players who want to be loved get a dog, a dog will love you unconditionally, football fans wont. We are all sentimental B.S merchants.

    Van Persie has his wife, daughters and extended family to “love” him.
    He doesn’t need football fans who are like wind vanes.

    Legend, ahat the f**k does that mean.
    We were reluctant to pay our best players 150k at the time; the ceiling was 100k weekly with a lump pay-out. His agents would have told him he could earn 250k else where, which he got at United, another big club with an iconic manager.

    I would have done exactly the same thing he did, if I were faced with the same choice.

    Why should Rosicky be called a legend?
    He’s been a sick note most of his Arsenal stay and is a dead weight right now sucking money without contributing. If he had any dignity he would have gone back to his childhood Czech club to retire but I guess the money was too tempting. Football fans can be so sentimental.

  25. Nasri's Mouth

    WengerEagle: Johan Djourou was an Arsenal player for longer than Thierry Henry was.

    Henry played many many more games though.

  26. Nasri's Mouth

    Dissenter: I would have done exactly the same thing he did, if I were faced with the same choice.

    Once again, it’s not what he did. It’s the way he did it.

    With you on the legend stuff though, it’s entirely speculative

  27. tom

    Is Sammy Nelson an Arsenal legend?

    I think beyond money and prizes, adulation is important to players.
    Especially egotistical strikers.
    After careers finish, much extra life and opportunities are given to legend types.
    Charlie George will never have to buy his own pints in North London.

  28. Leedsgunner

    WengerEagle

    “Johan Djourou was an Arsenal player for longer than Thierry Henry was.”

    Considering the amount of media pieces Johan did for Arsenal.com I bet he has more video in the club archives than TH14 — I only half jest!

  29. Nasri's Mouth

    Dissenter: If he had any dignity he would have gone back to his childhood Czech club to retire but I guess the money was too tempting.

    Wrong. It was reported that Rosicky wanted to leave. The clause was activated by Arsenal, not vica versa. He just wants to play

    (I’ll add this one to YOUR list 😉 )

  30. tom

    Interesting Arsenal blocked Rosicky move, if it’s true, as its not really Wenger’s way to keep a reluctant player. He must see there’s more to come from him.

  31. Pedro

    Tom, must see there’s more to come from a 34 year old he started 5 times last season?

    Visionary stuff… god bless Wenger and his feelings.

  32. tom

    Pedro, my point was it was unlike Wenger to actively obstruct an overage fringe player from leaving.

    The only explanation seems to be that Wenger thinks he has a special contribution to make.

    I don’t know if he is right or wrong on that.

    Just remarking it’s strange.

  33. Pedro

    Contribution to the Cech welcoming party.

    He badly fucked off Rosicky last year. Unfairly so. Totally bizarre position.

    Still, £80k a week for another year is a nice sweetener.

    Not if you want to play.

  34. tom

    He badly fucked off Rosicky last year. Unfairly so. Totally bizarre position.

    How’s that?

    Not sure Cech needs a handholder either

    Maybe he’s just still a quality player for the squad. Maybe Wenger sees value in having a couple of senior pros with deep roots as leaders in the setup.
    Seniors on the pitch are relative newbies.

    There must be a real motivation to triggering his clause.
    It must be important and obvious enough to those involved that it outweighs any bad feeling Rosicky may have about it.

    I can’t figure it out, tbh.

  35. WengerEagle

    Did Rosicky not come out and say that his situation after signing his new contract ‘wasn’t funny’ or something along those lines? Not even getting a place on the bench.

    Sounds like he was promised some sort of a playing role.

    I actually think that he’s still capable of contributing, even last season he made a difference coming off the bench at times.

  36. tom

    Rosicky must understand his fitness has been at issue, not his ability.
    He can’t resent his lack of games too much, given that.

    He makes the bench at least, whenever he’s fit, and normally gets a run as starter sometime in a season.
    When that happens, he produces good didplays and retains his place till inevitable injury hits.
    That’s been his m.o. throughout.

  37. MidwestGun

    Rosicky will be one of my favorites for a long time. But Legendary. .. umm no. A legend has to be a name fans of any team will remember 20 years from now or more.

    As for why Wenger didn’t allow him to go, who knows, I think Rosicky earned the right to go play somewhere he could still play.
    Wenger is like that kid who has grown up but still keeps his baby blanket in his bedroom.. Security blankets, Arteta, Flamini, Rosicky all should have moved on,imo Its really not that strange. Wenger is sentimental certainly not ruthless. Takes the easy way out oftentimes. Whole lot easier to resign a player then find a replacement.
    I don’t think Wenger has some grand unforeseen plan for him that only Wenger can see with his special contribution vision,tho.

    I think we have plenty of experience in the starting lineup with Mertesacker,Santi and Koscielny . And now Cech.

  38. tom

    Cech’s comments reveal Rosicky’s status in squad.
    I’m not sure Eduardo or Pires would agree that Wenger is too sentimental.
    What’s true is he will commit to players he believes in. The basis for these beliefs can be mysterious but often make sense eventually.
    He continued faith in RVP made sense after his thirty goal season.
    His continued faith in Diaby was misplaced.
    Maybe Eduardo, brilliant as he was, wasn’t brilliant enough for Wenger to wait on.

    I don’t know.

  39. WengerEagle

    Eduardo was a spectacular finisher before his leg break, sadly for us and himself he never came back the same player.

    I actually think that Ramsey was a step quicker pre-leg break but he’s managed to adapt his game successfully.

  40. fathead2908

    Even if RVP had stayed I don’t think I’d have classed him as a legend – something about a bloke who really didn’t live up to the hype, was injured ALOT and had one real standout year doesn’t scream legend to me.

    Think to yourself – 2 extra years from him – would you think of him like Wright, Bergkamp & Henry? I wouldn’t.

    legend is a bit over used these days.

  41. Mick Kartun

    @fathead
    “legend is a bit over used these days”.

    Depends on each person view’s.

    To me fabregas left a real CUNT the way he behaved during costa antics last time.

    van persie left, neaaahhh….your view on him I agreed.

    henry left, we all can understand especially he gave everything to arsenal.

    viera left that really hurt me, even maureen said that was the turning point for chelsea to get epl trophy in maureen first year. We lost the real LEADER since then.

  42. fathead2908

    @Mick

    depending on the person correct – but if you’re the sort of person labelling RVP a club legend then your list of club legends is going to be massive.

    I agree re: Vieira was one of and still is one of my favourite players. We haven’t since had a proper leader, many have tried none have been anywhere near as critical to us.

  43. fathead2908

    nope – we need to beat Watford – let’s win that game – who in all honesty thinks we have a shot in Europe? there’s absolutely no evidence in the last decade of being a number in that comp of us actually winning it.

    As it stands we can have a crack at the league – let’s prioritise and win them games.

    plus Alexis is a freak – he can handle it. Did we ever rest Henry in games like Watford? I don’t remember it happening much if ever.

  44. Mick Kartun

    This news from Mirror is interesting.

    Arsenal’s AGM: 5 questions for Stan Kroenke and the board ahead of the 2015 meeting on Thursday.

    Here are five questions for Kroenke, Ivan Gazidis, Arsene Wenger and the board ahead of the AGM:

    1. What is Kroenke doing to deserve £3m a year?

    2. Will Arsenal back the £20 away ticket scheme?

    3. Do Arsenal need to review their transfer policy?

    4. Are Arsenal taking Europe seriously enough?

    5. Who is Wenger accountable to? This is a touchy subject for many Arsenal fans but it’s one that needs adressing. Whether Wenger is accountable is not, as Wenger has suggested, a disrespectful question. To ask it does not mean you don’t appreciate what he has done for the club or that you want him out. The sentiment currently prevailing at the Emirates seems to be one of support for the manager, but even those fans want to know that he is being properly scrutinised by the Arsenal board.

    Well I doubt it will matter as long as Kroenke still the owner, huh.

  45. Bankz

    tom- Wenger thought SANOGO and Kim kallstroom could both deliver “special contribution to make”
    The length you go to defend every single decision made by Wenger on Legrove is amazing.
    There is absolutely zero sense in keeping a 34 yr old who hasn’t been the fittest player…..not even when he was younger,just like it didn’t make sense keeping Arteta/making him captain.

    I will be shocked if Rosicky plays 7 games for us this season.
    And Rosicky is an Arsenal legend????
    I love him to bits but Bellerin has more chances of becoming an Arsenal legend than he does…..

  46. Mick Kartun

    Food of thoughts.

    A Liverpool fan, an Arsenal fan and a Man Utd. were all in Saudi Arabia,sharing a smuggled crate of booze. All of a sudden Saudi police rushed in and arrested them. The mere possession of alcohol is a severe offence in Saudi Arabia, so for the terrible crime of actually being caught consuming the booze, they were sentenced to death! However, after many months and with the help of very good lawyers, they were able to successfully appeal their sentence down to life imprisonment.
    By a stroke of luck, it was a Saudi National Holiday the day their trial finished, and the extremely benevolent Sheikh decided they could be released after receiving just 20 lashes each of the whip. As they were preparing for their punishment, the Sheikh suddenly said: “It is my first wife’s birthday today, and she has asked me to allow each of you one wish before your whipping.”
    The Arsenal fan was first in line (he had consumed the least), so he thought about it for a while and then said: “Please tie a pillow to my back.”
    This was done, but the pillow only lasted 10 lashes before the whip went through it. The Arsenal fan had to be carried away bleeding and crying when the punishment was done.
    The Man Utd. fan was next up (he almost finished a half-keg), and after watching the scene, said: “Choice! Please fix two pillows on my back.”
    But even two pillows could only take 15 lashes before the whip went through again.
    The Liverpool fan was the last one up (he had finished off the keg), but before he could say anything, the Sheikh turned to him and said: “You are from a most beautiful part of England, your city has some of the best and most loyal football fans in the world. For this, you may have two wishes!”
    “Cheers mate, your Most Royal and Merciful highness”, the Liverpool fan replied. “In recognition of your kindness, my first wish is that you give me not 20, but 100 lashes.”
    “Not only are you an honorable, handsome and powerful man, you are also very brave.” The Sheik said with an admiring look on his face. “If 100 lashes is what you desire, then so be it. And your second wish? What is it to be?” the Sheik asked.

    “Tie that Manchester United fan to my back!

  47. Wallace

    tom

    “Golden moment when we had Cesc and Paddy together.”

    I actually thought Vieira suffered alongside Cesc. being used to first Petit, and then Gilberto & Edu as midfield partner I don’t think he enjoyed the extra defensive responsibilty. and plus, by then he’d been agitating for a move for a while, and like Henry in his final season I’m not sure his heart was really in it anymore.

  48. Wallace

    looks like Reine-Adelaide is fit again after being called up for the U17 World cup in Peru next week.

    Memphis Depay taking quite a lot of heat in Holland for his performances(and attitude) in a Utd shirt. ‘thinks he’s Ronaldo, plays like Bebe’ etc….

  49. SomeRandomGunner

    @Wallace Lol . Sure he plays like Bebe. I believe it is because of Bamford curse.
    Whoever he rates is going down the toilet or injured. I just hope Coquelin and Ozil dont get cursed by his recent change of attitude towards them.

  50. Wengaball

    Isn’t it ironical that fans hate Henry, Fabregas, Adebayor, Nasri and Van Persie for being disloyal and at the same time hate Wenger for being loyal 🙂 ie staying on till he retires from the game.

    The same applies toArteta and Rosicky.

    Is loyalty important only when you are at the top of your game and becomes a liability if not. Are we wanting to have the cake and eating it too? Is there a sweet spot somewhere in between?

  51. Highbury4ever

    “He’d be happy right now.”

    Time to understand that van pussy is interested only in personnal glory (failed a bit ? lol) and mostly MONEY (total successs!! lol)

    I honnestly don’t think that he is sad about Holland’s euro exit, not for a second.
    He just cares about himself, period.

  52. Dark Hei

    Wengaball

    The only folks that hate Henry are Spurs fans.

    On the other hand, Adebayor is truly a great. He is hated by Gunners, Spurs and City fans. Amazing hat trick.

    Na$ri is different. The hate has now tuned down to mere dislike. He has become irrelevant. Nobody hates him anymore.

  53. Dark Hei

    Bankz

    Perhaps legend is too strong a word for Rosicky. Maybe “lore” or something.

    Just as Arsenal is down and out when Fabregas and Nasri left, Wenger pulled the Rosicky/Benayoun combination out of hat.

    It worked incredibly well allowing us to come from 12 points behind Spurs to pull 1 ahead.

    And Benayoun scored quite a few screamers. The only Chelsea player to be in the top 4 that year.

  54. ADKB

    @Dark Hei

    My Quote of the Day:

    “On the other hand, Adebayor is truly a great. He is hated by Gunners, Spurs and City fans. Amazing hat trick.”

  55. Mr B

    @Random

    But that doesn’t tell the whole story. Although Ozil can be explosive, he plays most of the game at a canter, simply because he is so far ahead of everyone else in vision and touch.

    Walcott and Sanchez run the same distances at much higher speed. In fact in their position on the last shoulder, 70% of runs are sprints. So they will fatigue more.

    That was the problem with Van Persie, he was being trained like a midfielder, while he was doing his drills at max capacity. Thus always broken and a career near wasted,

  56. Mr B

    Wenger also didn’t like his players putting on weight and he himself strives to stay as slim as possible.

    That leads to there not being strong enough muscle mass to support connective tissue. Plus Red Zoning 17 year olds such as Wilshere and vola you get lots of injuries and sustained lack of fitness.

  57. Bamford10

    Mr B

    Well, City have better players than Arsenal, play prettier football than Arsenal, and they compete for and win titles (unlike Arsenal), so it’s no surprise they’re becoming a bigger global brand.

  58. Mr B

    Bamford my point exactly, some one has to force Wenger one top top qualidee, 50 Mil player for the next two windows and we can get back above.

    We have a good chance of winning if we get two good squad players.

  59. Paul Mc Daid

    Wal-mart lost 11 Billion in a day on share fall,
    Wonder will Stan raid Arsenals coffers ?
    Wonder will Usmanov try a takeover? Hope he does.
    Good time to happen with AGM Later tonight.

  60. Bamford10

    From the AGM: Angry fan takes to the stage and asks—

    “How can the squad be so strong if we have such embarrassing Champs League results?”

    Good question, though the answer is down more to the weakness of the manager than the squad, but the squad needs improvement as well obviously.

  61. Bamford10

    Final question: What will it take to win PL?

    Sir Chips: “Hard to answer without being patronising – get more points than anyone else.”

    This lot needs to be thrown out on their asses. What a pompous prick.

    And the bit about advice from KSE? The only advice they’re giving is on HOW TO MAKE MONEY, not on how to compete in the EPL and CL.

    Complete joke.

  62. Bamford10

    Wenger on injuries: “We think a lot about [injuries]. To lose big players is a big blow. I believe [our injury] record has improved considerably.”

  63. Up 4 Grabs Now

    Agm Meeting.

    Same shit different day.
    Sorry but they are as slippery as a politician, not one straight answer.

  64. Up 4 Grabs Now

    “We think a lot about injuries. ”
    “To lose big players is a big blow. I believe our injury record has improved considerably.”
    Yeah tell that to Rosicky, Wilshere, Wellbeck and Arteta. to name a few this season.

  65. N5

    Wengaball, I’m not sure that’s why people dislike Wenger though. It’s that he doesn’t do enough, not that he’s loyal.

    And, not being rude but there is not such word as ironical.

  66. Leedsgunner

    As we all know the AGM is an exercise in publicity and not transparency. The same answers… different year. An occasion that the powers that be I’m sure consider to be endured rather than a chance to connect with the fans, you know the people who really care about the club, because of what it represents to generations of fans in this country rather than just a convenient cash point for our billionaire majority shareholder.

    Did Silent Stan break his silence?

  67. Up 4 Grabs Now

    Quick tricky question for you guys.

    At the moment we probably look the best bet for challenging city for the title.
    Since Chelsea are dying on their arse, and utd are rubbish.

    Would people be happy if we win the title and city finish 2nd?
    Because If 2nd isnt good enough for pellegrini to survive the sack it means they get Pep and we probably don’t. but we do win the league and probably keep wenger.

    Tough call?
    Thoughts?

    Personally i would rather win the league and then have Ancelotti. 🙂

  68. Leedsgunner

    Up4Grabs

    Ironically I think even Wenger would want to go if he won the title. He’ll go out on a high… and his ego would love that. Frankly as a Gooner, I would love it if we won the title — unlikely but it would be so sweet! Especially if we added another FA Cup to that and achieved a Double!

  69. Up 4 Grabs Now

    Leeds, i think the pull of staying on would be too much for him, and he would stay.
    as much as i want him to go, if he reverts back to challenging for, and winning the league it probably would swing it all back in his favour for a lot of fans.
    (maybe me included?)

  70. underrated Coq

    Why on earth would Wenger contemplate quitting if he were to win the PL this season? He’ll still have a year left on his contract and would probably use that to make a strong assault on the CL- the one trophy that’s eluded him.

  71. Up 4 Grabs Now

    Underrated your probably right. the guy has no life outside football.
    And no missus now to keep nagging him to quit either.
    unless he fancies absolute power at Fifa or Uefa?

  72. Leedsgunner

    Underrated and Upf

    Can I respectfully disagree?

    Contract lengths to Wenger are meaningless. They are formality because he is the one who dictates to the Board and not the other way around. Can you think of another club with our resources, stadium and facilities tolerating such a barren spell from the title without getting fired? I can’t.

    As for the UCL I don’t think it bothers Wenger now that he hasn’t won it. His real pride is in qualifying repeatedly — that is an achievable goal without any real pressure. I think he’s happy to qualify and do the bare minimum make up the numbers. His pay is one of the highest… so I don’t think he’s personally fussed anymore.

    He knows what personnel we need to win the UCL… and I reckon if he was serious winning it he would have brought those players in already. In other words there is no final chance with the UCL as far as Wenger is concerned because he will always be allowed another go if he keeps qualifying.

  73. N5

    Leeds you’re bang on! he’d surely rather go on a high! also if he cared about the ECL, other than the year we got to the final, why has he never really gone all out for it! we make up the numbers in that comp, nothing more.

    We kid ourselves that we are in the same league as Madrid, Barca, Baryern etc, but we’re not… not even close!

  74. Up 4 Grabs Now

    N5

    How about you mate, do you think he will go out on a high?
    Or will the pull of going again not keep him here.

  75. underrated Coq

    Up4grabs

    ” unless he fancies absolute power at Fifa or Uefa? ”

    Haha, he probably would like that. Unfortunately garnering/ setting up sidekicks all over European or World stage is a lot harder than doing so at club level 😉

  76. Up 4 Grabs Now

    Underrated,

    I could see him at Uefa, finally getting revenge on maureen by banning him from football or something!

  77. N5

    Grabs. It’s a hard one, I’d hope he’d use it as a way to leave on a high and being remembered fondly, but knowing Mr Burns, he’d use it to get a newer contract on 10 million a year! Ivan said he sees Arsene staying for many more seasons yet!!!!!

  78. Leedsgunner

    Grabs

    I think he’ll spend big again this summer to give the Board the pretext and the justification to say Wenger has got his mojo back and should be given another contract to see the signings through — plus if we win the FA Cup again — that also will be seen as a reason to keep him on. This Board will not let Wenger go, of that I’m pretty certain.

    Wenger will go when he wants to go.

    Even if results go against us, and we fall out catastrophically out of the top 4, this Board will keep him on — saying we owe Wenger… just wait…

    For the long term good of the club we should get a new manager after this contract is over but I cannot see this Board parting ways with Wenger voluntarily.

    Wenger has the whole Board by their collective balls and he doesn’t mind squeezing them when he wants to… just to show them who’s in control.

    In fact, that probably explains why the old dears looks so uncomfortable and sweating in the AGM. 🙂

  79. warchester

    Wengaball are you some kind of joker or what? loyalty also means sacrificing for the cause. And if the cause is to WIN and if you know you’re shit like Arteta (and the manager knows), you move on from the club and not hang around. If you accumulate enough shit on the team that the boat sinks, I wanna hear you scream loyalty at the top of your lungs

  80. underrated Coq

    Leeds

    ” They are formality because he is the one who dictates to the Board and not the other way around. Can you think of another club with our resources, stadium and facilities tolerating such a barren spell from the title without getting fired? ”

    All of this may be true but I don’t think contracts mean that little to Arsene Wenger, as he’s gone on record to say plenty of times–” I respect my contract, I won’t break agreements in the middle “.

    And comparing Fergie’s situation to Wenger is like apples and oranges. Fergie probably wanted to retire a year earlier than he did. But of all teams, it was City that stole the title from right under his nose. Any other team and I doubt he would have stuck around for one more season.

    ” As for the UCL I don’t think it bothers Wenger now that he hasn’t won it. ”

    May be true right now but imagine if he wins the PL this season? The entire scenario completely changes and he might want to have a real crack at it then.

  81. underrated Coq

    Up4grabs

    ” I could see him at Uefa, finally getting revenge on maureen by banning him from football or something! ”

    Haha, That would make him legendary in most football fans’ eyes, except the Chelsea plastics ofcourse ….and maybe gambon too 😀

  82. Alex James

    In my sixty years supporting the club, I have seen only five legends – Adams, Wright, DB10, Henry and Charlie George. Why, because they combined wonderful talent( defensive in the case of Tony) with a genuine love for the club. Liam Brady would have qualified but lost my respect when he decamped to Italy, at a time when the team had really started to fly. RVP and Fabregas both left the club in the lurch, and nobody will ever convince me otherwise. In my eyes, they join Frank Stapleton, who also jumped ship and went to the Mancs, which caused no end of fuss with Arsenal supporters of the time.

  83. Leedsgunner

    Wenger on UCL performances this season…

    “I agree the performances have not been good enough but we have played over 150 games in Europe,” answered Wenger. “Our percentage of wins is in the top five.”

    Who cares?

    There is goes again, highlighting stats and figures in Europe about Arsenal that really no one actually cares about except him… to deflect criticism and scrutiny from the only stat that matters.

    How many times has Arsenal Football Club won the Uefa Champion’s League despite many many attempts?

    None. Zip. Zilch. Zero. Nada.

    In the end analysis that’s the only one that history will celebrate and remember.

  84. Leedsgunner

    “May be true right now but imagine if he wins the PL this season? The entire scenario completely changes and he might want to have a real crack at it then.”

    It’s always next year isn’t it with Wenger? Always next year… shame he’s paid to be paid over £8.5m year on year rather than deferring his salary to next year.

    Funny that.

  85. Leedsgunner

    Underrated…

    “All of this may be true but I don’t think contracts mean that little to Arsene Wenger, as he’s gone on record to say plenty of times–” I respect my contract, I won’t break agreements in the middle “.

    Denounce me as a cynic, but do you know why he won’t break contracts in the middle of their term?

    He knows that there isn’t another club in the world that would give him so much autonomy without a smidgen of accountability. He has a job for life… and he knows it… job security like no other in professional management.

  86. underrated Coq

    ” It’s always next year isn’t it with Wenger? Always next year… shame he’s paid to be paid over £8.5m year on year rather than deferring his salary to next year. ”

    Hey, don’t get me wrong- I’m not defending Wenger’s terrible record on European stage. Just comparing scenarios. Winning the League and walk away on a high OR Winning the League and making one last genuine attempt to try and win the trophy he’s never got his hands in his final year of contract– Second one seems the more likelier.

  87. Steveyg87

    ” As for the UCL I don’t think it bothers Wenger now that he hasn’t won it. ”

    Hard to agree with this. Hoping against hope that we can turn things around in our group, everybody knows that Arsenal perform at their best when the chips are down, nobody is giving us a chance against Bayern, id wager that we win atleast one of those games.

  88. Redtruth

    Wenger passionately cares about the Champions league but passion alone will not win you the Champions league.

    You need at least a modicum.of coaching acumen to succeed in Europe of which Wenger has none!

  89. Steveyg87

    RVP’s last season with us was my most enjoyable season watching arsenal. our squad was at its bare bones but the approach we took was far more pragmatic as apposed to nowadays, where admittedly things are going much better for us. Wenger with his head buried in pat rice’s crotch and a last minute gibbs lunge saving us blushes and qualifying for the champions league. if we could reach fourth with that team, its a crime that we didn’t really build much on that season which should have been a turning point

  90. steve

    “I agree the performances have not been good enough but we have played over 150 games in Europe,” answered Wenger. “Our percentage of wins is in the top five.”

    ___

    “Percentage of wins”. Hahahaha.

  91. underrated Coq

    Leeds

    ” He knows that there isn’t another club in the world that would give him so much autonomy without a smidgen of accountability. He has a job for life… and he knows it… job security like no other in professional management. ”

    Ahhh…we’re now straying further away from the original point of the debate.
    Anyhow, the points you make here, don’t they make the whole ‘Wenger leaving on a high after title success ‘ even more implausible ?

    I mean, if he stubbornly sticks to his seat of power even when things were bad, why would he walk away when things are rosy ? Especially when he can enjoy the power for one more year, the celebrations and jubiliance of a title-win making the chances of anyone questioning him even lesser than usual.

  92. Joe

    So the cunt says look at the clubs record in the CL before and after his arrival and get back to him.

    Doesn’t mention you had to champions to be involved before his arrival. Not 3/4th.

    And forgets to mention GG won in Europe.

  93. Leedsgunner

    Underrated

    Why don’t win the EPL title first this season and then we can see who’s right? 🙂

    Frankly I wouldn’t mind being wrong about Arsene if it meant we became the Champions come May. I just don’t want us to become like Liverpool — dreaming and bragging of titles won 25 years ago.

  94. Leedsgunner

    Joe

    It’s classic Wenger.

    Over emphasize the positive and ignore the negative. Except that it’s the failure to address the negatives that has kept us from progressing in Europe!

  95. Nasri's Mouth

    Leedsgunner: It’s classic Wenger.

    It’s classic football manager. They all do it.

    Some are worse than others, This week it’s Allardyce for example

  96. underrated Coq

    ” Klopp signs for Liverpool and within a week has lost two players for the rest of the season ”

    Yikes, Klopp and Arsenal would be the worst match ever then. We’d be fielding the youth team for PL matches.

  97. Leedsgunner

    Nasri

    Fair enough, just because they all do it doesn’t make it right does it?

    I have more respect for someone who takes responsibility for his actions rather than continually point to other factors to explain away mediocrity and failure… of which Wenger does on a frequent basis.

    I mean even he must get embarrassed calling humiliating results “accidents” and “bad luck?” repeatedly. Why not learn from them so that those hackeyed excuses don’t have to be used? Shocking concept I know.

  98. Nasri's Mouth

    @underrated Coq

    Ings and Gomez.

    Both ACLs. Ings was done with England.

    I was curious to see whether Ings might actually be 1st choice under Klopp.

  99. Nasri's Mouth

    @Leedsgunner

    No, it would be much better if they admitted their failings AND gave some explanation of why it happened, but they’ll blame anything and everything rather than themselves first. Blinkered in the extreme.

    Mourinho blaming the lack of a penalty for his loss against Southampton when there should have been two earlier ones given against him is a classic example.

    I imagine that behind the scenes there’s a lot more honesty. They know that if they were actually honest in a press conference, rather than being praised for it, the press would rip them apart.

    The world we live in I guess

  100. Leedsgunner

    Don’t give a monkeys about Liverpool players… the real question is how is Sanchez doing fitness wise? Will Kos will be fit to face Watford? Please tell me Coquelin was overlooked again by France…

    Those are the real questions we should be asking… 🙂

  101. underrated Coq

    NM

    ” I was curious to see whether Ings might actually be 1st choice under Klopp. ”

    Probably would fit in with the high energy, pressing style that Klopp teams usually employ IMO. Technical and attacking ability-wise though? Large drop in standards from what Klopp had at his disposal in Dortmund.

  102. underrated Coq

    Leeds

    ” Please tell me Coquelin was overlooked again by France…”

    Yep, much to the delight of Bamford10 and tbh, me as well…..though for completely different reasons it has to be said 😉

  103. naijagunner

    I really couldn’t care less what excuses Wenger gives to the press, his team’s failings over the past 18 years is there for all to see. Our failure in Europe is embarrassing and has provided a stick for trolls to constantly beat us with.

    But expecting him to admit it was all his fault when some of the posters on here can’t even own up to wrong arguments and predictions they make on a daily basis is hypocritical to say the least.

  104. Leedsgunner

    “But expecting him to admit it was all his fault when some of the posters on here can’t even own up to wrong arguments and predictions they make on a daily basis is hypocritical to say the least.”

    I can see at least 8.5 million reasons every year why Wenger should be more transparent… after all, he’s more than happy to lap up the plaudits when we pick up an unexpected victory isn’t he?

    When we beat BvB unexpectedly a couple of seasons ago or Bayern Munich 2-0 on the return leg in Europe, all I heard Wenger say was how strong his team was mentally and how their togetherness had brought in a well deserved win.

    No mention of good luck at all when things go well — even though when we get an unexpected good result, lady luck often smiles in our way. (There’s nothing wrong with that)

    In turning to bad luck and accidents, when things go against us, Wenger indirectly absolves himself and his team from learning from their mistakes.

  105. Nasri's Mouth

    @N5

    No, no blame, but its not going to help them

    Ings might be the most suited to Klopp’s style, and Gomez was playing a fair few games

  106. Nasri's Mouth

    Leedsgunner: I can see at least 8.5 million reasons every year why Wenger should be more transparent…

    Yes and no, These days even the players are trained not to say anything else other than the most boring platitudes, and the same with managers.

  107. naijagunner

    @ Leedsgunner

    The man didn’t set his own salary, get over it .

    No football manager, even the sacked ones, ever admits it was all his fault. Why should Wenger be any different. And i do not know what u mean by unexpectedly beat BVB or Bayern…..if u were not expecting us to win maybe the coach and players fancied themselves to win.