Redemption Weekend

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Happy Friday to each and everyone of you.

So good morning for me, I went to the US embassay, landed myself a VISA.

Then, to make the day even better, I was given a FREE coffee in Pret.

I mean, jeez… I am winning on all fronts here.

Reality is hitting home though… bad times for my footballing experience. No more live games. No more Saturday football baneter… well, it’ll be a different sort.

But hey, tis life…

Anyway, what have we this morning?

I read an article in the Evening Standard that slated Wenger for rotating.

Really disappointing read. Wenger rotating that many players was exactly what a good manager would be doing. You need fresh players for the weekend. We need our fast players for the weekend. We need them in peak form. Wenger had no choice.

If you want to critique the manager, you hit him with his weak squad. You say, Arsene, 3 years ago, Arteta was destroyed by Chelsea and picked out as a tactical opportunity because of his lack of mobility.

What made you think he’d be a suitable back up to Coquelin this season?

That’s how I’d be hitting him up.

Why can’t out second team take care of Zagreb?

I mean, I still think we have a very good squad. But games like that chip away at my confidence. It makes me wonder about how Wenger motivates. Ferguson used to do a great job back in the day of keeping his players hungry. Does Wenger do the same? I’m not so sure. He’s not mastered rotation yet, because it’s new. Hopefully he can inject a bit more hunger into the players who aren’t usually starters.

This post is short because I have work.

See you in the morning for a mega Cheslea preview.

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  1. tom

    Bamford,
    Are you denying Podolski, at the time, was not considered a prestige or ambitious signing?

    German World Cup star.

    Isn’t that the continuous gripe?
    Lack of ambition in the market?

  2. Bamford10

    Tom

    “Dave, perhaps [the “uber-cautious” approach] never will [lead us to a challenge]. Much depends on what happens to football in general. It is still the best strategy I can think of. I would love somebody to show a different way ….”

    Well, let’s see, dipshit:
    – Both Atletico Madrid and Borussia Dortmund have won their leagues against massively-monied clubs — the best in the world in fact — and have made it to CL finals in the past 5 years. So perhaps we should be using them as models.

    – A different way? How about using some of that £190m to sign players of genuine quality and athleticism rather than relying on average to inadequate players such as Giroud, Walcott, Arteta, Flamini, Welbeck and Coquelin? How about hiring a coach who actually does tactics?

    No AKB has ever come to Le Grove and offered up such brainlessness — while at the same time imagining himself to be the voice of reason. This fucking moron doesn’t even realize how empty and impoverished his arguments are.

    Go away, you twat. You’re a brainless nuisance — and you’re not advancing your “cause” one bit. You’re just further discrediting your idol.

  3. N5

    tom, watch his comments, he attempts to mirror yours. He’ll be inside you like the Xenomorph in Aliens that bursts out of the stomach! keep your mouth closed or he’ll be in there laying eggs.

  4. tom

    This poem is brilliant and eternal and appropriate….

    If—

    BY RUDYARD KIPLING
    (‘Brother Square-Toes’—Rewards and Fairies)

    If you can keep your head when all about you
    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
    If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
    But make allowance for their doubting too;
    If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
    Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
    Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
    And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

    If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
    If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
    If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
    And treat those two impostors just the same;
    If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
    Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
    Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
    And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

    If you can make one heap of all your winnings
    And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
    And lose, and start again at your beginnings
    And never breathe a word about your loss;
    If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
    To serve your turn long after they are gone,
    And so hold on when there is nothing in you
    Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

    If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
    Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
    If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
    If all men count with you, but none too much;
    If you can fill the unforgiving minute
    With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
    Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
    And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!
    Source: A Choice of Kipling’s Verse (1943)

  5. Bamford10

    Tom

    No, he wasn’t. You may have regarded him as such, but then again, you don’t know much about football. Yes, Podolski HAD BEEN a top player, but by the time we signed him, he had flopped at Bayern and had been relegated to Cologne.

    I had always liked Podolski, so I was relatively pleased to see him come. I did not see him, however, as one of the top German talents — he no longer was — I did not see him as not having question marks — he had them — and I did not see him as a clear step in the right direction.

    Most here saw the signing similarly, I think.

    That you thought his signing was some kind of clear and obvious “win” or “step up” simply reveals that you don’t watch that much football or know that much about football. That’s all.

  6. tom

    My thoughts on Podolski were that, if he were available today, Le Grove would be shrieking ” why not Podolski??!!”.

    Used him as an example of an expensive miscalculation . Similar to Arsharvin.

  7. tom

    I am all for spending but believe it must be done with care .
    Signing names to make up numbers is not the way, especially if you have ambition to develop players.

    We have some serious talent bubbling away in our youth set up. I am happy they may get a chance over a costly journeyman.

  8. Bamford10

    Yes, Tom, except in this case, you’re simply an ignorant and delusional purveyor of a dead dream, a bogus myth.

    That you imagine you’re some great saint demonstrating reason, calm and gentlemanliness to the crazed masses only makes you more laughable, more ridiculous.

  9. tom

    In case anyone failed to grasp the relevance of Kipling’s poem, its about doing the right thing in face of pressure.

    Not relevant to me or Le Grove, but to Wenger’s battle to succeed.

    Great poem anyhow.

  10. Bamford10

    Tom

    Care to comment on your lie re how Le Grove responded to the Podolski signing? Care to admit that you just made that up?

    Care to comment on my point re Atletico and Dortmund? Are they not examples of how it can be done?

    Care to stop making straw-man arguments? Who said anything about making signings simply “to make up numbers”?

    You make terrible arguments and empty, meaningless points. You fail to respond to arguments/points made by others in reply. And you post Rudyard Kipling (!) verses in an effort to trumpet your sense of your own moral superiority (!).

    Tom, I hate to break it to you, mate, but you suck.

  11. tom

    There is nothing in Arsenal’s credo that is meaningful to you, Bam.

    Curious why you persist with them.
    Many other clubs follow principles more in line with yours.
    Why pick the one club that tries to do things different and then whine when they do it different?

  12. Bamford10

    Tom

    Wenger isn’t the man in Kipling’s poem. No, he is the protagonist from another even more famous work of literature: Wenger is Don Quixote.

    I’ve said this several times on here over the years and will elaborate on it another time, if you like, when I have the energy. But there is no one in world literature that Wenger more resembles than the delusional and demented man of La Mancha.

  13. Redtruth

    For many years Arsenal have trod the wrong path and are now reaping what they sow on the field of play.

    Speculate to accumulate is a winning formula which the buffoons at the top have failed to adopt.

  14. tom

    I made an assumption about Podolski. Was it way off the mark?
    As for Dortmann and Athletics, I bet you’d find their policies closer to Arsenal’s than Chelsea’s.

  15. Relieable sauce

    As always 1st goal is crucial but also feel there might be another sending off or 2, which of course will be a factor.

    Chelsea still dont look good & we should in theory, at some point, start to show more efficiency in front of goal. Not sure they can stop us creating chances, but can we put them away??

    Sticking my neck out a narrow win by a goal, maybe 2 if red card is in our favour.
    Good chance of bore draw as well though.

  16. Relieable sauce

    Wenger would eat the strawberry!?

    That would mean living in the moment wouldnt it?

    I would have thought Wenger would have been oblivious to the mice due to his admiration for the strawberry that he had discovered & would fall to his death whilst waiting for it to ripen.

  17. Joe

    Tom,

    You don’t want us to sign journeymen

    So are Vidal, benzema, schenderlin, Reus, goetze, bender brothers, aubameyang, Douglas Costa, draxler, dybala, pogba, kondogbia, bacca,Martinez., mandzucik

    All could of improved us. All could be had with the funds available to us

    Keep spinning your Wenger bullshit.

  18. qna

    I am supremely confident for tonight’s match. It is set up perfectly for the Toms, Keysers and Wallaces of this world.

    Chelsea are in terrible form, a perfect time to get a win without actually improving and then have the AKBs point to this game for the next two years as to why they think they are right. Chelsea are in crisis right now – forget about a home game to an Israeli side who combined are worth less than Hazard.

    We did a similar thing beating Man City last year when we beat them during a run of winless games for them. A run of games that they lost to Middlesborough and drew against Hull City, Everton and Chelsea. They completely dominated us that day, but we say back brilliantly and actually took our chances on the counter. We were rightly hailed for that performance in showing that we can win in a way that most of us have never seen under Arsene Wenger. Many thought this was an awakening of the manager, but it turns out it was just a one off, most likely influenced by the players internally – Mertesacker especially. In hindsight, I wouldnt be surprised if this was not AW’s tactics at all, but rather 11 men standing up and getting the job done at all costs.

    In any case, enjoy them when they come. Tonight is gonna be a good good night.

  19. peanuts&monkeys

    Nothing would please me more than seeing Arsene Wenger losing by 4 goals to Jose and quitting in disgust. Fingers crossed.

    MaggotFaggotWenger specialist in failure should be proved to be so.

  20. Jeff

    Peanuts,

    You must know that Wenger is not going to quit. We’ve had so many heavy losses in the past and all he did was make some lame excuse and carry on. He will do the same again if it happens. However, realistically speaking, neither side wants to lose today so I think it will be a boring cagey affair and the likeliest outcome (as I see it) is probably a low score draw.

  21. Leedsgunner

    I predict 2-0 will be the score. I would love it to be us but it all depends on who scores first.

    Cech will bring his “A” game. Coquelin will start, along with Bellerin and Monreal. Theo looks to be coming into form, it’s not doom and gloom as it appears. Will our midfield respond? That is my biggest concern.

  22. Wallace

    qna

    “I am supremely confident for tonight’s match. It is set up perfectly for the Toms, Keysers and Wallaces of this world.”

    it’s Chelsea away, i’ll be very happy with a draw. if the midweek games have made some on here a little more wary about today’s game then that’s probably a good thing. the idea that we’d go to the home of the champions as favourites was pretty ridiculous.

  23. useroz

    Surely our team has 194 million reasons to feel overwhelmingly confident.

    It’s like having the 12th, 13th,… new signings on the pitch at one time.

    Go home,,Wenger. Thank you for your interest in our affairs.

  24. Wallace

    N5

    (Bamford to tom)

    “Well, let’s see, dipshit…No AKB has ever come to Le Grove and offered up such brainlessness — while at the same time imagining himself to be the voice of reason. This fucking moron doesn’t even realize how empty and impoverished his arguments are.

    Go away, you twat. You’re a brainless nuisance — and you’re not advancing your “cause” one bit. You’re just further discrediting your idol.”

    in light of the above, which is pretty standard from him, i find it puzzling that you stick up for Bamford when a few people have a go at him. of the saner contributors he’s far and away the most aggressive.

  25. N5

    Wallace, I think it’s because although Bamford can get aggressive, his is out of frustration and I can relate. I’m not saying it’s right, but I can be an abusive twat at times so I’d be hypocritical to moan at someone else for it.

    Also if someones been on the site a while and you know they’re legit (abusive or not) you kind of let it go by the wayside. Posters like p.r0f and Ito wasn’t legit, they were just scum who came here to attack people as they’re life were shit.

    Bamford, I don’t believe goes out of his way to attack people, he just gets annoyed.

    Don’t forget Wallace (or you may have missed it) I did the same about you the other day when people kept making comments about you being and AKB and a simpleton, and you’re not abusive at all.

    I’m kinda like Jesus, only smaller. Bigger goes to gambon.

  26. Dissenter

    I have to say Tom is a very polite poster who’s kept his poise in the face of withering criticism.
    He’s not entitled to his opinion and does not deserve to be called “dishing” for having one.
    I would have stuck up for him had I been around these parts when he was being called names.

    He’s a gentle AKB, no need to need to denigrate him, just take your daily anti-hypertensive before reading his posts and you’ll be fine.

    AKBs are facing extinction on Legrove, let’s protect them.

  27. N5

    Dissenter, I did apologies to him for saying he was boring because I agree with you. I thought he was on the wind up because he did say as much, but he explained it isn’t his opinion that is the wind up, it’s the reaction it causes that makes him laugh so I was wrong for that.

    He is polite and for that, like everyone on here, he shouldn’t be abused for.

  28. Wallace

    WE

    “how sweet would it be to win?”

    of course, it would be fuckin’ glorious. i just got the impression that a few people after last weekend’s games were thinking it would be pretty easy to go there and get the 3pts.

  29. WengerEagle

    N5

    Good to hear, always a great thing when they annoy the shit out of you as it feels like a proper home :D.

    I’m doing well, also am a bit apprehensive about today as I have lads on my course who support Chelsea (their foreheads are more sloped than my arse cheeks) and the abuse will be vicious if we lose as I’ve been battering them since the start of the season with banter.

    Heart says we come away with a score draw, head says Chelsea will do us 2-0.

  30. N5

    But I must say that I think Sal hit the nail on the head. Once upon a time on a Le Grove far, far away, they’re was mainly supporters with similar viewpoints. Some didn’t like Wenger (gambon), some did (Keyser), but the arguments and I hate him more arguments were minimal.

    Just look at posts from 2012, you’ll not see the nutty comments you see today, the abuse was minimal, the comments contained jokes, wit and above all people were mainly respectful to each other. Granted Pedro and Geoff monitored it more back then so most abuse was jumped on.

    Le Grove, was once a community, now it’s a fight club.

  31. N5

    Eagle, I work with a few Chelsea scum, you can tell a mile off who they are! They’re normally whacking the backs of their hands against the keyboard trying to understand how it works. But my god when they beat us it’s like they’ve lifted a cup! I’ve said to them they should be used to it, but they’re hatred for us is so deep no wins is enough. They are not a classy club and they resent that we are.

  32. Wallace

    N5

    yeah, i saw that. appreciate it.

    re Bamford – let’s just say, coming at it from the other side, i can understand why people get a bit upset wih him.

  33. Thank you and goodnight

    @Wenger Eagle

    ha ha ha ha ha. Sorry but I loathe them mate. Blame them as much as I blame wenger and kroenke for the laughing stock they’ve made our once proud club.

  34. N5

    Me too Wallace, but you’ll notice I get a lot of heat too so I should take a note out of yours and toms book too and stop being so “heated”.

  35. Dissenter

    N5,
    Yes, I did read your comments.
    Hope for the best today.
    Do you think we ‘ve created an Arsenal surcharge on transfers with the huge unspent cash we’ve managed to leave unspent.
    I really thinks it will have an inflationary impact on any future incoming transfers; clubs will ask for more from us, ditto agents will demand for higher wages for the players.

  36. WengerEagle

    Wallace

    You’ll always get those naive supporters who think that we’ll moonwalk to a win at Stamford Bridge, not going to happen.

    We’ve never beaten Chelsea there under Mourinho and I could be wrong here but we haven’t won there at all since RVP bent over John Terry in 2011?

    A draw would be a very good result provided we beat them in the reverse fixture at the Emirates, highly unlikely IMO.

  37. Wallace

    hate these big games early on a Saturday. a bad result kills your weekend. and evening kick offs are just way more atmospheric.

  38. N5

    My gosh yes Dissenter I do. We’ve got two issues I believe. We have the opposing teams knowing that A) we have lots and lots of money and B) We are in desperate need for a striker, oh and I guess C) they’re in short supply.

    I think if any very good to excellent player moves, it’ll be for almost double what their valuation is and they’re is no way on Earth Wenger will do that.

  39. Dissenter

    I hope Wenger accepts Mourhino’s handshake today.
    I really Mourhino wishes he could take some of the scum he says back. He’s just a fundamentally flawed homosapien.
    Handshake and then move on.

  40. SpanishDave

    Wenger is frustrating the hell out of us all, and most here have had enough of him.
    He will not address our issues, so we need to know what’s going on. The board and CEO have hidden away and will not tell us why this summer the spend was virtually nil. The fans have a right to know especially when paying so much to watch games.
    Wengers done but the board have no clue what happens next.

  41. Dissenter

    I hate these early games.
    They wake me up too early worrying about how a bad right suit will completely sour my weekend.
    It’s 4am on the east coast. Going back to bed.
    Hope for the best, let’s not take another “accidental” stuffing from Mourhino.

  42. WengerEagle

    Loool N5, they also don’t speak like us, they communicate to each other via primal grunts and by sticking their tongue out and various lengths.

    Don’t know what it is about them that I hate so much but since Fergie has left the building and Yoonited have turned into a bit of a laughing stock, the Chavs have morphed into my new most hated club. Between Mourinho, the majority of their supporters, the likes of Costa and Ivanovic the dirty cunts,etc no-one evokes more hatred from myself.

    Used to be United hands down, I know that it should be the Spuds but as I live over in Dublin and there are literally more Leeds United supporters than Spuds and grew up in a class full of mouthy Mancs all throughout school I never hated the Spuds as much.

    Was hard to ever take them serious tbh, they made our bottle jobs in the worst Wenger years look like an achievement.

  43. Dusty Kart

    I wouldn’t shake Mourinho hand either, his neck yes hand no!! who the fuck is he to say he’s willing to shake hands as if !!

  44. Wallace

    WE

    “A draw would be a very good result provided we beat them in the reverse fixture at the Emirates, highly unlikely IMO.”

    Chelsea under Mourinho i’d be happy with two draws. would be far more confident about picking up points against Utd and City. especially the home games.

  45. N5

    I’m with you Eagle. It’s Chelsea for me too. I do hate Tottenham and I mean really hate them, but that only effects me when we play them, other than then they’re such an irrelevance to us that I don’t think about them. When it was always a battle between us and them for 4/5 place it was much more heated, but they’re “forever in our shadow” so the competition and as such the hatred has gone!!

  46. WengerEagle

    TYAG

    Too right mate, it saddens me that I haven’t bought any Arsenal merchandise since the 2008/09 season but I’ll be arsefucked before I spend another penny on the club as long as we get bent over every September/February with a smirking Wenger presser alluding to the lack of ‘supper, supper qualidee available and our cohesion/mental strenz’ bollocks.

  47. WengerEagle

    Wallace

    For whatever reason we always seem to do well vs City out of all the big teams.

    We still have an inferiority complex vs United, they beat us under Moyes ffs when the likes of West Brom, Sunderland, etc were winning at OT.

    Welbeck’s fortuitous winner at OT was the first time we’d won there in 9 years. Incredibly poor record, was no wonder Fergie softened towards Wenger circa 2009- onwards.

    I’d want us to beat Chelsea at the Emirates, screw a draw, we should be winning practically all of our matches at the Emirates if we’re attempting in any way to compete for the title.

    Do you think that they’d be happy with a draw vs us at SB? Even if they were on 15 points right now and not 4?

  48. useroz

    Rubbish from Gazidis?

    “We continue to look to develop every aspect of our operations while remaining true to our principles around being self-funding, investing in youth, our style of play and our commitment to our fans and to our place in the community,”

    * what is every aspect of operations – football included?
    * style of play to achieve / deliver what? Wenger jerking off?
    * our commitment to our fans? what are those commitments? said when and by who? who are the fans — Wenger and S.Stan?
    * place in the community – shut up Ivan

    This is pathetic from a shadow and alleged CEO

  49. WengerEagle

    N5

    I can fully appreciate that, local rivalry is intense no matter where you go.

    Even over here in the amateur Sunday leagues it gets heated when it’s derby day! Nobody wants to lose as it’s weeks/possibly months of abuse and mud-slinging before they can get revenge.

    Remember laughing when I read that Sturridge couldn’t get served in a Tesco the day after he scored a brace/or winner, can’t remember which vs Everton in the derby. Angry Evertonians point blank refused him.

  50. Jeff

    It shouldn’t be a surprise that people’s emotions and frustrations are getting the better of them. Every mistake, every obvious glaring humdinger of an error, every bad decision by Wenger is often defended by the most inane arguments like “there must be a reason”, “Wenger is an intelligent man” , “he will come good in the end”, “we have no god given right to win the league” etc. etc. Those sort of statements are the things that annoy me the most because there is no logic behind them. This undying, insatiable faith in one man who can no longer deliver is just pure religion. After Zagreb, Wenger racked up another record of 50 losses in CL history – more than any other manager.

    I listened Lee Dixon on YouTube this morning in an interview two days before the window shut and he was defending Wenger with words like “I’m sure there’s a reason why he hasn’t signed any outfield player but let’s not forget there are still two days to go – blah, blah, blah”. Ian Wright on another interview was saying they tried to get Benzema and because it dragged on it was too late to get anyone else. Ladies and gentlemen, arguments like this are pure unadulterated bullshit.

    What lies beneath all of this is that Arsene has now risen higher than the club. It no longer matters if Arsenal can’t win a major trophy so long as Wenger remains in the job and continues his “legacy” which he f**** up a little more with each passing year. For the love of all that is good, come to your senses – wake up. He will never win a major trophy again – that is so obvious. He can manage for another 50 years and it still won’t happen.

    And yet, the faithful are quite happy to make his excuses and live in hope that he’s going to prove everyone wrong. That’s the thing that annoys me the most – the absolute arrogance of the AKBs (just like people who cling to mainstream religions) who just keep repeating the same baseless nonsense over and over again. It shouldn’t be a surprise that people’s emotions and frustrations are getting the better of them. Every mistake, every obvious glaring humdinger of an error, every bad decision by Wenger is often defended by the most inane arguments like “there must be a reason”, “Wenger is an intelligent man”, “he will come good in the end”, “we have no god given right to win the league”, “he knows what he’s doing”, “he’s won titles before” etc. etc. Those sort of defensive statements are the things that annoy me the most because there is no logic behind any of them.

    This undying, insatiable faith in one man who can no longer deliver is just pure religion. After Zagreb, Wenger racked up another record of 50 losses in CL history – more than any other manager.

    I listened to Lee (not much upstairs) Dixon on YouTube this morning in an interview two days before the window shut and he was defending Wenger with words like “I’m sure there’s a reason why he hasn’t signed any outfield player yet but let’s not forget there are still two days to go – blah, blah, blah”.

    The Christians are waiting for the second coming, Shiite Muslims are waiting for Mahdi’s arrival, the Jews are waiting for the Messiah to descend and the AKBs are waiting for Wenger to win a major trophy. I would suggest the first three are actually more likely to happen.

  51. Thank you and goodnight

    @Wenger Eagle

    Arse fucked eh……ha ha ha ha ha. Yeah same as me. Stopped going in 2008 and buying any merchandise.

  52. Thank you and goodnight

    @Jeff

    The man’s a cunt of the highest order. If it had been Chelsea playing away he would of claimed they still have an advantage as they’ve been on holiday

  53. Jeff

    TYAG,

    I know other managers also find excuses sometimes for failure but Wenger takes the biscuit. There is a ready-made excuse for every occasion. That is not the main problem though – getting away with it every time and all the time is the problem.

  54. useroz

    If Wenger followers want to elevate their master to divine lebel,go pray that God sends the angels to pick him up asap.

    Those ignorant defensive statements from wenger + akb followers must rankamongst the ever best human race would witness from cults.

    As unpredictable as the team plays, I’d think we probably wouldn’t lose today. Don’t like the 12.45 start though. Somehow not working for us sometimes.

  55. Bamford10

    QNA

    I think Chelsea will be better than you think today, though this will depend somewhat on who is healthy and 100%.

    Regardless, I think we’ll be fortunate even to get a draw.

    N5

    In 2012, one could sort of still be forgiven for believing in Wenger. Sort of. To believe in him today, however, especially as mindlessly as a Tom does, is simply inexcusable given the amount of evidence we have of his incompetence and failure.

    Secondly, the tenor of Le Grove has likely changed in part because the situation is all the more frustrating today than it was in 2012. Anyone with eyes and a brain could see that Wenger had to go then, but here we are today still dealing with the same nonsense. If people seem a bit more frustrated, a bit less patient, well … it makes sense. We have put up with this nonsense for a longer period of time, for too long.

    Anyone know where Nasri’s Mouth went, btw?

  56. Hunter

    I am so sick of this shit squad,we have nothing in depth,no leaders,no fight no attack,midgets in midfield and above all NO Manager.The lack of business in the TW has come to haunt us we will win NOTHING this season another depressing weekend,we have no chance against Spurs, or Leicester and will be as good as out of Champions league after our next game!