Perfect preseason.

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2 trophies and the season hasn’t even started!

I didn’t catch the whole of the Emirates Cup game. But the parts that I did catch made for impressive viewing.

We’ve beaten one of the best sides in Germany and we destroyed the second best team in France.

Sure preseason doesn’t account for much in the grand scheme of things, but this preseason gives us a full compliment of players to pick from heading into the Charity Shield. We’ll have some continuity of our approach that was so successful at the tail end of last summer. We’ll also have a monster truck load of confidence.

Makes me a bit nervous. It’s all going a little too well. Where’s that banana skin?

News buzzing around the airwaves is that Pep Guardiola is going to takeover at City next season. That makes me worry. He’ll get things ticking over there. So this feels like a very good season to make some heavy progress before things get really tasty. I wonder where Klopp will go?

There’s still no major news on the transfer front. Madrid haven’t done any major damage in the transfer market yet. United have chilled their beans and don’t seem to have managed a striker purchase. Chelsea haven’t done anything major for once.

Surely there’s more to come from this summer?

So will definitely have a good post for you tomorrow! Delayed because of match noise.

Tune in.

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  1. Carts

    “Was Mourinho really complaining about other teams buying titles?! Ha! That guy has trolling down to a fine art!”

    very poor from Mourinho. He must’ve forgot about his first stint at Chelsea.

    What did make me laugh was when he said that what kind of man (Pellegrino) thinks about another man while he’s (Mourinho) is on holiday.

    Laughed hard at that.

  2. Klauspoppe

    Umm lol

    We have a good squad but the wrong person to manage this squad.

    I don’t think Mourinho would argue with this (specialist in failure) nor would Cech as he mentions Wenger fails in the minute details that determine the match between top 4 sides.

  3. Wallace

    “Matt Le Tissier the fat farmer, who played about 8 times for England?”

    not surprised you couldn’t appreciate a player like Matt le Tissier, gambon.

    plus, he obviously didn’t care too much about the money….baffling, eh?

  4. qna

    Wonder if Wenger will end up going for Draxler just to keep the easy to please fans onside. I wouldnt mind it if he came with Lewi, but by himseld he is not what we need.

    Not what we need…. famous last words.

  5. Carts

    qna

    Not shitting on City or even trying to down play them, but Pellegrini, imho, doesn’t really look like he’s got that dressing room on his side.

    He’s done ok, but every time I see City, win or lose, they look like they’re lacking something. This is made much more evident if and when Aguero is absent.

    For the money they’ve spunked, the average age of their team is incredibly high. I think Sterling, Deniyea [sp] have help bring it down slightly; but when you consider the core players: Zabaleta, Kolarov, Fernandinho, Yaya, Dzeko…and who they’re shipping out, that squad is quite “old”.

    They’ll be contenders nonetheless.

  6. jasongms

    There are no facts in football only results !
    We are literally an injury away from starting Arteta as the CDM. That realization alone should be poof enough that we still have an unbalanced squad. Not to mention the other glaring issues , we have one CDM and then there’s ozil , santi , ramsey and jack all are at their best playing through the middle . Which simple means playing any of them wide narrows our attack and we become predictable , also our obvious need for a striker upgrade…
    We go into every season with this adolescent optimism that if only A or B stays fit we’ll be challenging’ , that attitude is just redundant and is what i like to call wengerism haha

  7. gambon

    Pellegrini is just lucky he has a seriously talented squad.

    Hes not a top manager.

    Again, goes to show how important investment is. Both Mancini and Pellegrini have managed to win the PL because the quality of the squad negated the managerial weaknesses.

    Just like Fergie’s quality did the opposite, squeezed much more out of a team than he should have.

  8. Klauspoppe

    Lol at Le Tissier.

    Ibrahimovic of the past in terms of talent but more of a liability to the team, laziest cunt in football.

    Think his number of caps says it all really.

  9. Al

    To be fair to the lad…Theo has looked a threat and scored literally all the time he has been played as a striker (including pre-season). If a Benzema or another elite striker is not available it would be practical to actually go with theo as the striker.

    I mean at the end of the days how badly could he fail with ozil, sanchez, ox, santi, ramsey behind him creating chances?

    He is a good finisher and will always be supplied with chances from those guys.

    I think at his worst he will be a one goal every two games.

  10. Willow Wilson

    Mourinho is the ultimate cheque book manager. He should know a thing or two on the subject of buying success.

    In the last ten years he has spent more than any other manager, almost a billion euros on players (903 million). This covers his tenure at Chelsea, Inter and Real Madrid.

    That’s an average of 90 million per season. Somebody will have to do the net spend figures but I suspect he will still be number 1.

  11. Klauspoppe

    Under Pellegrini, Villarreal achieved a third-place finish in La Liga in 2004–05, a Champions League semi-final in 2005–06 and broke the big two in 2008 by securing a second-place finish in La Liga in 2007–08

    He was a good manager, too fucking old now just like Wenger.

  12. Carts

    “Again, goes to show how important investment is. Both Mancini and Pellegrini have managed to win the PL because the quality of the squad negated the managerial weaknesses.”

    Exactly. It’s like that saying “this team could pick themselves and still win”. I think that sums up City for the most part.

    What both managers did well, if you want to call it that, is made sure the quality disparity was miniscule. So if one got injured, the replacement wouldn’t negatively effect to cohesion.

    However, in the case of Arsenal, if/when Coquelin gets injured his replacement (Flamini and Arteta) will bomb the mission. I mean, they will be pressured every time they touch the ball and as they’re both card-magnets, that could prove a problem.

  13. gambon

    Lol, at calling anyone a “chequebook manager”

    Its no different to saying “that Lewis Hamilton, he can only win when he has a steering wheel in his car, hes a steering wheel driver”

    Damn steering wheel drivers.

    Schumacher, Hill, Mansell, Prost, Senna, Vettell and now Hamilton…..all steering wheel drivers.

  14. Emiratesstroller

    Gambon

    Football is a transient business and all of the so-called major clubs today in
    EPL have been either bankrupt or in financial difficulties in last 40-50 years
    apart from Arsenal.

    There is no certainty that will not repeat itself if a club is mismanaged or there
    is a change of ownership.

    I would remind you that Manchester United were in a financial mess and did
    not win a single trophy for many years until Ferguson arrived at the club and
    even he was early on in his career within 24 hours of the sack.

    Now they are the world’s richest club, but still they have finished behind Arsenal and not won a trophy in last 2 years. If that trend continues they will also
    fall down pecking order as will be the case if Chelsea does likewise.

    The fact is that throwing a lot of money at transfer market does not guarantee
    success. Manchester spent an absolute fortune on Di Maria and for whatever
    reason he has not proved a success there and his resale value has plummeted.

    Chelsea have likewise made mistakes in transfer market when they lost £50
    million on Torres.

    I disagree also with your analysis of commercial income. Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and even possibly Man Utd are in the same boat. If they do not perform
    it will be reflected in balance sheet.

    Manchester City are in a slightly different position because they are backed
    by the royal family in Abu Dhabi. Anyone who has worked in that market including myself who travelled there for 10 years on business knows that most
    major business in that particular Emirate is either owned or revolves around
    the royal family include the major sponsors.

  15. Carts

    “He was a good manager, too fucking old now just like Wenger.”

    My conspiratorial source tell me he is in fact Wenger.

  16. Highbury4ever

    So our dear arsène finally think that 12M euros (for Llorente) is too much to spend ?? lol

    Arsene’s futur reconversion once he left the job ==>> BANK MANAGER lol

  17. Klauspoppe

    “Now they are the world’s richest club, but still they have finished behind Arsenal and not won a trophy in last 2 years.”

    So cohesion exempted from United’s season?

    Cohesion only works for Arsenal aye?

  18. Highbury4ever

    Klauspoppe I can’t believe that you take seriously what maureen says…
    Don’t you understand that it’s just another provocation from the Special Cunt ??

  19. zaco

    “With Mourinho praising the squad, all Wenger’s fault if we flop this season”

    what rubiish when did mouringho become arsenal’s spokes person?

  20. Willow Wilson

    “Just like Fergie’s quality did the opposite, squeezed much more out of a team than he should have”

    Lol. Fergie was a great manager, no doubt about that.

    But Fergie spent big money too. For years nobody could touch them financially in England, not until Abramovich and the Monsours arrived. They also had the advantage that Man Utd are a huge ‘pulling’ club.

    In 2002, Ferdinand became the most expensive British footballer in history at £30 million. In his last season, if he hadn’t signed RVP he would not have won that last title of his. He left Moyes with an ageing squad that needed rebuilding too. So lets put things into perspective.

    If Fergie needed a player, he could buy him. Simple. Wasted a lot too on players like Bebe, Forlan, Veron, Bellion, Poborski, Kleberson and Taibi.

  21. Carts

    Emirates

    You’re all over the place recently.

    Instead of reminding us how Utd were close to liquidation and ended up being the biggest brand in football, why don’t we talk about their business model. I mean, every man and their dog were convinced they’d be in div 2 when the Glazer lumped those millions of pounds of debt on to them.

    So they’ve had two shite season in the last 20 odd years, yet you’re clinging to that like they went trophyless for 8 seasons.

    They’ve spent a pretty penny on a few flops over the years. I suppose the difference is knowing went to cut your losses instead of telling yourself it’ll all come good.

    Imho, ADM deserves another season, but when you’re hell bent on success, and with some much riding on success, then these decisions happen.

    “throwing money” may not guarantee success (or happiness) but what is proven is that it definitely increases your chances.

  22. VP

    ‘’The wealth of a club is not dependent on how much money owners have got’’

    For those who have owners who are prepared to convert debt into shares, and write off their Loan Accounts, that’s exactly what it comes down to.

    Financial statements fail to depict the exact economic value of any given entity. This occurs only when for example a sale takes place at armslength (at MV). There are many unique competencies and intangibles that are not captured on the balance sheet as they cannot be realiably measured. Furthermore, there is often a significant amount of goodwill that is derived upon sale, along with settlement of Directors/Shareholders Loan Account. Not to mention the distortion caused by selecting a chosen accounting policy. No entity is valued on just its balance sheet alone.

    To suggest that only ‘ the bottom line and Assets are considered when trying ascertaining ‘wealth’ of a club’ is very simplistic, and does not arrive at true economic substance.

  23. Klauspoppe

    Highbury4ever

    Yeah don’t worry, I’m aware he’s just pointing out how shit Wenger is to fail with the same squad last season.

    Even Emiratestroller said cohesion isn’t important pointing out United last season.

  24. gambon

    Of course Fergie spent big money, this is why Man Utd dominated the Premier League from the first season until Abramovic came.

    7 of the first 9 PLs were won by UTD, as you say because of their spending power….or more specifically because their spending power enabled them to put together the best team in the PL on a consistent basis.

    Try telling that to some of the goons around here, who think Atleticos one season wonder is some kind of proof that spending isnt important.

    However in the post Abramovic and Mansour world, Man Utd were still vastly successful despite not having the same budget as either team.

    UTDs transfer and wage spend lagged behind these 2 clubs for years, but they still managed to win the PL in 2009, 2011, 2013 as well as the CL in 2008, which is testament to the quality of their manager.

  25. steve

    @Rosicky

    I believe those stats were shown sometime during the 2013/14 season and it involves away games starting from 2010/11 up until that time. Those 4 points are from Man City away 3-0 win in 2010/11 and Man City away 1-1 in 2012/13.

  26. qna

    Ultimately Arsenal (as in the clubs board and owners) will never take the necessary steps to be genuinely competative again as long as it can maintain a balance of fans that do not expect them to, or who they club can fool into believing they are being competative. A very good business to buy into for the owners.

    They do not even need a propaganda machine to do maintain te charade as every arsenal fan is an expert and those that fall into this desirable category of fans do the propaganda spinning on behalf of the club.

  27. Emiratesstroller

    Carts

    Manchester United are now where they are for one reason and that is Ferguson built a team which was successful. However, you should not forget also that the nucleus of that team was “home grown” and did not cost a penny.

    That was the very point that Wenger made last week. Now Man Utd under LVG find it difficult to replicate the original model and are attempting to revive their prospects by throwing money at transfer market.

    Let’s face it it does not always work. LVG has spent a lot of money in last 2 summer transfer windows, but the defence has not really improved and like us he
    has not managed to buy a “world class” striker. At the moment he is reliant on
    Rooney to lead the line.

  28. Willow Wilson

    Emirates
    “The fact is that throwing a lot of money at transfer market does not guarantee
    success. Manchester spent an absolute fortune on Di Maria and for whatever
    reason he has not proved a success there”

    Exactly the point I have been making.

    Look, of course you need quality players, absolutely. History shows you that the teams that tend to spend the most have the most success. No disagreement here.
    However, you also need stability and a ‘team’ not 11 individuals like the fantasy football fans demand.

    Drawing up a wish list of players fans want to sign and then making an assumption these players will all be successful and improve the team is wrong. It’s a bit of fun, like spending a fiver for a bash at managing a virtual team for the season. How does that work out, ever win the £250,000 top prize? Of course not.

    Is Di Maria a quality player? Yes absolutely. But for whatever reason he didn’t perform. Personally I believe this is because he joined an unstable team that was still trying to adapt to the managers system and integrate too many players into unfamiliar positions and lost the ‘team’ dynamic.

    Had Di Maria joined a stable team, like Arsenal, I believe he would have been a totally different player.

    You buy what you need and what fits into your team; not on transfer value, not on who the fans or the media say you should buy and most certainly not those that have been scouted on youtube or FIFA. (Or where it has been ‘read somewhere’ they can play in a certain position).

  29. gambon

    “However, you also need stability and a ‘team’ not 11 individuals like the fantasy football fans demand.”

    The funny thing is people always assume expensive players wont “play together”.

    You never see people say, oh look at West Brom putting together loads of Free transfers, I bet they wont play for eachother.

    It is always assumed that the more expensive the player the more its gonna go wrong.

  30. gambon

    “Drawing up a wish list of players fans want to sign and then making an assumption these players will all be successful and improve the team is wrong. ”

    Assuming they will all be unsuccessful is also wrong, and its what Arsenal fans seem to do everytime.

    I remember hearing how Hazard was gonna be such a huge flop, and I said the opposite.

    3 years later hes the PLs best player.

  31. Klauspoppe

    Lol fucking Willow with the same fantasy football argument.

    IF we have no injuries.
    IF our players are in top form.
    IF United don’t have cohesion.
    IF we score first against top opposition.
    IF rich clubs go bankrupt.
    IF our youths come good.

    You’re fucking delusional.

  32. Klauspoppe

    “But for whatever reason he didn’t perform.”

    10 assists in first season.

    I guess Ozil’s first season is exempt from criticism coz he’s Wenger’s new toy.

  33. gambon

    Actually agree with a lot of what Willow just said.

    You do need a “soul” in the club, and that is usually based around the long term players that know the club inside out.

    A team with a core that was raised ,locally will always be better than a team that has been put together from around the world.

    Look at how important the likes of Schweinsteiger, Muller, Lahm have been with Bayern. Look at how important the likes of Puyol, Busquets, Iniesta etc have been. It saves you £30m a time in the market and gives the club an identity.

    As Wenger said a few days ago, the perfect club is one that develops great kids, and also has the ability to buy the worlds best players on top of this.

    But make no mistake, the ability to buy the best is unbelievably important.

    Look at Barcelona, probably the best youth system in world football. However the likes of Suarez and Neymar at £70m each have been vital to their success.

    It would have been easy to leave local boy Pedro in the team, and in fact Wenger would never have changed Pedro for a £70m player, but the standards are rising every year.

    Its not about spending the most money. Its about having the best players, and the best coaches, and the best analysts, and the best tactics.

    On balance, teams with more money will be ahead of other teams in this area.

    this counts for youth football as well. ts no longer about raising a few kids from Hackney. Is now about scouting, finding and buying the best 15 year olds out there. Which again, costs money.

  34. VP

    ‘’A very good business to buy into for the owners’’

    Absolutely. The Kroeke’s up in the region of £240m (approx.) on his shares since the purchase and has never had to dip into his own pocket after the acquisition.
    There aren’t many investments that he could have made that would have given this amount of return for the level of risk involved.

    An owner with ambition and/or who gives a fuck should be prepared to put at least some of those gains back into the club. I know that there are other shareholders involved, but even if he owned the club 100% outright he would still hold the same reluctance.

    We will never be able to accelerate our growth under this guy and will continue to lag behind.

  35. Marko

    Stop that gambon. You’re telling me that you were the only one who predicted big things for Hazard even though he’s been supremely rated since a young teenager. His final year he won the player of the year and for years he’d been linked to every big club before he joined Chelsea.

  36. Emiratesstroller

    Gambon

    Barcelona produced for many years great teams and players without always spending mega bucks in transfer market.

    Messi for example did not cost them a bean in transfer fees and most of their
    team in recent years were built around home grown players including Xavi
    and Iniesta.

    The key to building a successful team is not to spend wholesale mega bucks
    in transfer market, but to build a stable team and invest selectively as and
    when required and where the opportunity arises in “special players”

    I think that Arsenal has now reached that point. We don’t need to make wholesale changes to our team/squad, but we can afford to now wait for the
    special player who may cost £50 million [Euro72.5 Million].

    Unfortunately these players do not grow on trees and there is a lot of competition as well.

    I still think that Arsenal will spend serious money on a single acquisition in this summer’s transfer market, but not necessarily before end of transfer
    window.

    You have to factor in what has seldom been discussed on Le Grove that some
    key players might get injured in August and Wenger might be forced to replace them.

  37. bennydevito

    If my aunty had bollocks she’d be my uncle.

    If ifs and buts were sweets and nuts it’s be Christmas every day.

    Where’s Pedders with this exclusive?

  38. GS88

    The main reason why many of us as Arsenal fans are so fed up, is that for 10 years we have not really properly challenged for the title.

    In that time City and Chelsea have overtaken us both on and off the field. Now we are cash wealthly with a reported £200m in the bank ready for purchases of players, and look as though we aren’t going to spend it.

    We are now only 2-3 players shy of possibly winning the league and reaching the latter stages of the CL. And we look as though we are stalling and being content with another top 4 finish. Where is the WC CF and CDM that we require?

    This is what upsets us.

  39. Barking Arsene

    Who on earth said Hazard was going to flop? That kid stood out a mile, even in a weaker French league you could see he was special.

  40. gambon

    Marko

    No, but i was talking about him before anyone else, years before he came to Arsenal.

    Ialso remember reading over and over again on here how he was overrated and wouldnt be a success.

    I remember London Gunner saying Theo was a better player.

    Mind you, thats because Arsenal fans find it possible to be objective.

  41. Barking Arsene

    We aren’t a long way off a genuine challenge but there are a couple of gaps. Cover/competition/upgrade on Coq (whichever it may be) and a CF that can conjure up something to earn an extra point or two in tight matches.

    That’s not a lot, and certainly wouldn’t upset the balance or cohesion that people talk of.

  42. bennydevito

    If we really are after Llorient with 200m in the bank I’m going to seriously lose my shit. He’s crap. We need an improvement on Giroud, not an inferior clone as back up ffs!

    Only at Arsenal. Jesus wept.

  43. GS88

    Mourinho is calling Wenger to task.

    Even if we beat Chelsea at the weekend, still feel that it mean we win the title if we don’t upgrade CF and CDM. Also one could argue that our LB position needs a back up for Monreal due to Gibbs’ ineptitude.

  44. Emiratesstroller

    GS88

    Apart from maybe a second CDM where are the players to buy?

    I keep on reading posts about Giroud not being good enough, but realistically
    who would you have bought this summer as a replacement?

    When I read suggestions that we should buy Llorente who is now 30 and
    scored just 8 goals I know that the debate is ridiculous. If you want to buy a
    30+ year old we could have gone back for Van Persie at £5 million.He is more
    talented than Llorente and certainly capable of scoring more goals even in
    his injured state.

    Would you buy Bentecke for £35 million or Sterling for £49 million? If they were so desirable at these prices why was there not a queue for their services?

    The answer is that none of these players is an upgrade on what we have got
    and the club is in the same boat as Manchester United in their pursuit for a
    world class forward.

  45. VP

    ‘’The key to building a successful team is not to spend wholesale mega bucks
    in transfer market, but to build a stable team and invest selectively as and
    when required and where the opportunity arises in “special players”

    No sorry but this is bullocks. Spain is a different kettle of fish to the Prem. Just like serie A was back in the 90’s. You list me the best players to have played in the prem, and then lets do one for serie A and La liga and see which one come up on top. There is no comparison. Don’t think a single prem player would feature in any of the lists. Spain have a competitive advantage on many fronts. Langauge, weather, lifestyle and not to mention their two biggest clubs. It is no coincidence that the best players of all time never come to the Prem, and the one’s that do are past it.

    Prem teams have no choice to spend if they want to compete on a global scale, both to retain and aquire talent. It’s as simple as that.

  46. Dream10

    If you don’t have the talent in your youth system, big spending is needed to compete with the best. Having three academy produced footballers of the caliber Xavi, Iniesta and Messi in their prime at the same is rare. In the last 25 years, Barcelona have had five of the best players ever in attack: Romario,Ronaldo,Rivaldo,Ronaldinho and Messi.

    If we want to kick on and move from being a second tier club and enter the first tier, we’ll need to continue to buy top players and at a faster rate before your other top players (Ozil,Ramsey,Koscielny, Alexis)
    If available, buy Reus this year. He’s better than TheOx
    Next year, if Kroos and Lewandowski want to leave their clubs, be ready.

  47. goonerjay

    Love the way every cunt on here always believes the shit tabloid rumours as gospel (like the Llorente one) but as soon as we get linked to a quality player by the same paper they scream bullshit! Your lives must be soooo fucking depressing…

    Gambon – do you even support Arsenal? You sound like you’d be far happier over the other side of London with the racists. Seriously mate… log off , give up on Arsenal and save yourself a stomach ulcer… being a Gooner isn’t for you

  48. gambon

    goonerjay

    Another jumped up little prick Arsenal fan who probably knows less about the club than Kevin Costner.

    Oh wait, its the School holidays isnt it!

  49. GS88

    Dream.

    Those Barca players are just out of this world and some the best that I’ve ever seen.

    We have had our own share of greats, but that list in a few notches up.

  50. gazzap

    Marco Reus must be attainable this summer given Dortmund are not in the CL. Madrid want him but need more money to do the deal. Therefore Benzema must be gettable. This is what wenger is banking on. I think wenger threatened to go get Reus but I don’t think he wants to come to Arsenal when Madrid are sniffing around.
    If Reus really wants to stay at Dortmund, then I can’t see us doing a deal for Benzema whatever happens and however much we offer.

  51. goonerjay

    Oh Gambon…. sweetheart…. you and your chronically depressed little mind don’t have the power to wind me up with childish jibes! Must try harder fat boy

  52. Dream10

    GS88

    Yep some of the best ever, Those types of players are not produced in every generation. That is without mentioning Suarez and Neymar

  53. Wallace

    gambon discovered Hazard, eh?

    spent 3yrs trashing Koscielny so guessing his expertise is limited to stocky Belgian wingers.

  54. MadeToLoveMagic

    If Gambon got a stomach ulcer, the extra gravitational forces created would send the moon into a violent wobble, ultimately causing tsunamis and other tide related disasters.

  55. Emiratesstroller

    VP

    So what you are suggesting is that English Clubs are not capable of recruiting
    or developing at youth level players of comparative standard to those in Spain, Italy, France or Germany.

    I accept that our Youth Academies have not been up to scratch in recent times,
    but it does not follow that will be the case in the future.

    As I suggested in previous post football is a transient business. The idea that
    English Clubs will not be able to compete with other countries is ridiculous.

    I suggest that you take a look at other sports where we under performed but
    are now excelling.

  56. Nasri's Mouth

    gazzap: Marco Reus must be attainable this summer given Dortmund are not in the CL. Madrid want him but need more money to do the deal. Therefore Benzema must be gettable.

    I don’t think it’ll be about the money, it’ll be about the number of players for the number of positions. The hope is that Benzema would prefer to play for us, than be on the bench for RM.

    And possibly he’d rather play for Wenger than Benitez, might fancy living in London for a while, might decide to join us to stop Ozil banging on about it to him all the time…

  57. VP

    Do people seriously think that if we started creating ‘galactico’s out of our youth academy that we’ll be able to hold to them. No chance. If they’re that good they’re off to Barca & Real. Chelsea, City and Utd may put up a fight and refuse. We on the other hand would revert into ‘investment company’ mode.

    i.e. If Ramsey was really good enough, he’d be over there at one of these club’s as we speak. Lets not kid ourselves. The only thing that will come out of a good academy as far as we are concerned is profit.

  58. DUIFG

    emirates, yes i would have bought benteke, its a risk no doubt but its certain that we wont win the league with giroud, at least Benteke has the attributes to win a title even if he is hot and cold, at this point should we not just gamble?

  59. Nasri's Mouth

    bennydevito: If we really are after Llorient with 200m in the bank I’m going to seriously lose my shit. He’s crap.

    We’re definitely not, you wont, he is, (well, kinda)

    Bennyedevito: Only at Arsenal. Jesus wept.

    Not just Arsenal, fans of other clubs also believe utter BS about who their club is about to sign 😉

  60. Carts

    Emirates

    Yes LVG is spending a lot of money, but Wenger can’t exactly speak can he. He tried and failed with Project Youth for how many years? Now he’s implying that LVG isn’t willing.

    We don’t exactly have a “core” going on do we. Besides Ramsey and maybe Jack – and make no mistake about it – the jury is still out on the rest.

    We have what looks to be a good English collective however nothing from Ox, Theo, Jack, Gibbs and Jenko says they’ve succeeded. Ox and Gibbs are now squad players. Jenko having signed a new deal is out on loan for a second season. Jack is always injured and Ramsey blows hot and cold. Chamber, like Jenko, should also be out on loan.

    For a couple of them there’s still time, but don’t for one moment pretend that in today’s football pulling a Class of 92′ is as easier as it was then.

  61. DUIFG

    I highly doubt we are looking at Llorente, it would be the most brianless pointless signing known to man

  62. GS88

    Dream Yes.

    Itv4 did a programe about Barcelona about 3 years ago celebrating some of their great players.

    Messi, Maradona, Ronaldo, Romario, Cruyff and Ronaldinho, etc.

    Goose bumps and all.

  63. Emiratesstroller

    DUIFG

    Sorry I disagree. Bentecke is not remotely worth £35 million. No other major club apart from Liverpool would have spent that sort of money on him.

    If he was rated so highly by Wenger he would have gone after him, because he
    is an Arsenal Supporter and would have jumped at opportunity of joining us.

  64. gambon

    “!I ask Gambon again>>>what do u find attractive that makes u support Arsenal?”

    I answered this twice last week my email scammer friend.

  65. Nasri's Mouth

    Carts: but don’t for one moment pretend that in today’s football pulling a Class of 92′ is as easier as it was then.

    The thing about the Class of ’92 is that the reason it’s talked about is because it’s so rare. It almost never happens that you get that amount of players coming through as 1st choice for their club for that amount of time.

    Having said that, our academy is actually better than most at providing players for the 1st team squad.

    And while the results have been pretty shite for a couple of seasons now, there are definite steps being made to change that.

  66. Gary C

    Even by his high standards, Wengers press conference was a corker. Containing quotes like “To create success we must focus on the inside” Eh?

  67. GS88

    So what, some of my fav posters are missing.

    Cesc Appeal, N5, Wenger Eagle Midwest, Sal. Whats happening, man.

  68. DUIFG

    DUIFGSorry I disagree. Bentecke is not remotely worth £35 million. No other major club apart from Liverpool would have spent that sort of money on him.If he was rated so highly by Wenger he would have gone after him, because he
    is an Arsenal Supporter and would have jumped at opportunity of joining us.

    he obv isnt fully rated by wenger hence we were not in for him, im saying its an error.

    is 32.5 bad? not really, young had 7-8 yrs in him, very decent scoring record at a turd club, great attributes, mentally is the only real issue for me.

    obv not in benzema lewi level but in terms of attainable strikers we whould have looked art him becasue he has the attributes to score 20+pl goals a year in a good team, giroud does not.

  69. DUIFG

    He scored 19 in a season for villa! OG hasnt got near that for us in 3 years, lukaku going for 28 this is much better value.

  70. Il avataro di Napoli

    Just checked in here after several months (got fed up with some troll fuckwit N3? playing moderator with the blog so hope it’s gone). Have to say it is good to see the loon Gambon back on form and great retort Goonerjay BTW!

    Ref AFC it’s obvious that all that’s needed now is a goal scoring centre forward but who’s out there apart from Benzema and Higuan who are both unlikely to move? Muller would be the dude but no chance!

  71. Carts

    NM

    Exactly which makes Wenger’s comment all the more odd. McNair, Blackett and Wilson are now squad players who’ve played quite a few games between them.

    For the amount of youths we’ve bought, let alone acquired from in and around London, we’ve seen next to none get into our first team squad. Not to mention how hard we went at buying kids during austerity.

    It’s simply down to finding a balance.

  72. VP

    ‘’So what you are suggesting is that English Clubs are not capable of recruiting
    or developing at youth level players of comparative standard to those in Spain, Italy, France or Germany’’

    I’m suggesting that the best players in recent times* (can go back last 30 years if you like) do not want to come to England. Money is the only carrot that England has to dangle. Hence, money being the key variable, particularly more so for English teams. It’s the main thing that we have going for us. Only a fool would even try and compare the prem to Serie A or La liga in terms of greats.

    *Weah
    *Maldini
    *Brazilina Ronaldo (there’s only one Ronaldo)
    *Batistuta
    *Stiochkov
    *Guillet (in his prime)
    *Mattheiuus
    * Baggio
    *Maradonna
    *sammer

    the list is endless and this is the caliber of player that I am referring to. Can’t think of many English players (maybe gazza) who are English or even players that have played in the prem that are note worthy of going onto that list.

  73. goonerjay

    Gambon – get a dictionary and lookup the words ‘supporter’ and ‘fan’ (in the sports sense… not the type that stops sweat trickling into your jowls on a hot day) and let us all know if the description matches your attitude towards Arsenal.

  74. DUIFG

    premier league marko, people like to pad out giroud stats by confusing his all comp stats with pl goals, think his max is 16,only think he has gone +20 league goals in any league once.

    willing runner who has decent attributes but blatantly obv this guy is nowhere near good enough to lead the line for a pl winning club.

  75. gambon

    Not sure I agree that Benteke wasnt worth £32m

    You could argue that we could aim for better (Lewandowski, Benzema, Reus) but they will also cost more no doubt.

    The reason benteke isnt a “no brainer” is that theres more risk involved. He had a serious injury and he is a bit jekyl and hyde.

    however if Danny Welbeck was £16m , then Benteke was much better business at £32m

    Welbeck has 20 goals in the last 3 seasons (113 games)
    Benteke has 49 in his last 3 seasons (100 games)

    So far more goals, in less games, for a much worse team, at the same age.

    If Benteke is such a waste of money, then Welbeck is a complete disaster.

  76. VP

    Don’t understand how people even try and compare Drogba to Weah. Drogba is a premiership great (no doubt about that) but Weah is an all-time great.

  77. Nasri's Mouth

    @carts

    There’s a high rate of attrition with kids, a 15 yr genius might turn out to a 19yr failure, and it’s often very hard to spot. Hence why so many don’t get into our 1st team. Doesn’t really matter though, as long as the numbers are right.

    If we spend £20m (fees and salaries) on xxx kids, and we only get 1 team player out of them, it doesn’t really matter if the financial numbers stack up, and it doesn’t make us lose concentration when it comes to signing fully fledged players.

    And

  78. gambon

    Jovetic another reason why you need to be very careful when looking at players in Italy.

    Its just a completely different league.

  79. S Asoa

    Wenger looking to Sign more

    Another joke

    From Le Voyeur

    unless some cheapo dreg is left behind on the Last Day

    Failure truly your name is Arsene Wenger

  80. VP

    ‘’however if Danny Welbeck was £16m , then Benteke was much better business at £32m’’

    Totally agree. If you were to ask Man utd fans as to whether they’d take Welbeck back for £16m or purchase benteke for £32m most would say the latter, and agree with Van gal.

    It’s just a disgrace as to how we’ve eneded up with Welbeck, an absolute disgrace. All that’s happened is that he’s made Giroud look ten times better than he is, thereby ending up paying the guy £130k a week. The consequences of this transfer have been far reaching and it could get worse as Theo’s looks on.

  81. Nasri's Mouth

    VP: It’s just a disgrace as to how we’ve eneded up with Welbeck, an absolute disgrace.

    And we’re back to being over melodramatic again.

  82. DUIFG

    Giroud at Arsenal:pl 105(29) – 58 goals.

    wallace yes we know you lot like to pad stats with all goals, looking at pl the main goal/aim of our season (should be)
    OG 97 Apps 41 goals

    Benteke 88Apps 42goals

    all this at a turd club, quite obvious from the above bringing benteke in would blow giroud stats once he has top quality bullet loaders behind.

    Secondly it shows how it will be nigh impossible to win a league when your ST is only hitting figures of relegation level clubs.

  83. Nasri's Mouth

    @DUIFG

    Might be better to do it by minutes played.

    GIroud 41 PL goals in 7261 mins
    Benteke 42 PL goals in 7324 mins

    Giroud has 17 assists to Benteke’s 9.

  84. gambon

    It is ridiculous how often people defend our ability to win the PL when our main CF is comfortably bettered by a guy at Aston Villa (until last week) and a backup that scored 4 PL goals from 58 shots last season.

    Jordan Rhodes would be ashamed of that.

  85. GS88

    Marko.

    Lol.

    But its been to long though. All these posters are quality. I see Keyser has join them aswell.

    Hope they are ok anyway.

    If they are still absent for another week someone should do some investigating.

  86. DUIFG

    @DUIFGMight be better to do it by minutes played.GIroud 41 PL goals in 7261 mins
    Benteke 42 PL goals in 7324 minsGiroud has 17 assists to Benteke’s 9.

    Possibly nasri, but the same pattern is established that Benteke is bettering OG without half the attacking talent or posession behind him.

  87. VP

    ”And we’re back to being over melodramatic again”

    I wouldn’t call any fan who’s that’s pissed off as to why we are going into the new season with Giroud and Welbeck as our main CF’s. Only at Arsenal would this be called melodramatic. At most other big club’s this would be a sackable offense.

    So….no just giving the situation the merit it deserves. And no doubt that we end up finishing were we deserve and welbeck will end up at a Sunderland where he deserves. Lets see whether this is melodramatic come May shall we?

  88. Wallace

    gambon

    you think bracketing the games where he probably got 10-15mins as compared to the full 90mins is underhand?

  89. blsany

    Edinson Cavani has been suspended for Uruguay’s next two World Cup qualifiers for his part in a confrontation with Chile’s Gonzalo Jara at the Copa América.Fucking madness.

  90. gambon

    “GIroud 41 PL goals in 7261 mins
    Benteke 42 PL goals in 7324 mins”

    Considering the teams they play for, this makes Benteke a much better player.

    Also, assists isnt really what you should be looking at, because theres a huge difference in the calibre of player at Arsenal compared to Villa.

    Giroud was setting up Podolski, Walcott and Ramsey – where as enteke is setting up Agbonlahor, & Wieman.

    Benteke has created more chances than Giroud in each of the last 3 seasons.

    Simply put, hes a better player, despite being much younger.

  91. naijagunner

    Saying its a complete disgrace that you have an England international ,who was part of a title winning man utd side and who was preferred by Sir Alex to spearhead his attack at the Bernebau when they played there , as one of your striking/wing options is indeed melodramatic, we don’t need to wait for May 2016 to see that .

  92. Nasri's Mouth

    @DUIFG

    Well, it’s comparing apples and oranges to a degree. Goals per minute, there’s basically nothing to choose between them. Add in assists, and Giroud is better, though not at all massively.

    Is Giroud a more rounded player? Yes, I’d say he adds more to the team’s performance than Benteke. (I certainly know which one I’d prefer defending an opponents corner.)

    Is Benteke younger with more potential to improve, yes, though I don’t see him improving much as a player.

    Either way, I don’t think there’s much in it at all, and given how much we paid for Giroud compared to what Benteke has just gone for….

    Your point about Benteke scoring a lot more if he joined us is an important one though.
    I guess we’ll get a better idea in 9 months time after he’s been playing for Liverpool. I can see arguments on both sides as to how he’ll do.

  93. Al

    Loads of Benzema rumors flying around. He posted on Instagram on a different plane from the RM squad and posted ” Leave the past in the past”

    Be interesting to see the development of this.

  94. Nasri's Mouth

    gambon: and a backup that scored 4 PL goals from 58 shots last season.

    Welbeck was very poor in front of goal last season, but he was much better in 13/14.

    If we could get him back to that level, he’d be very good

  95. DUIFG

    @DUIFGWell, it’s comparing apples and oranges to a degree. Goals per minute, there’s basically nothing to choose between them. Add in assists, and Giroud is better, though not at all massively.

    Nasri, you are talking as if the condition saround them are constant, OG is playing with players of top 4 caliber, villa is bottom to relegation, much worse players, so you would expect OG to have better stats.

    Asssits is neither here or there really, they obv have much less value than goals, you can get an assit for not doing a whole lot really, nobody has ever really judged a striker on his assist outpiut, there is a reason for that, if its huigh, good but his daily bread is made through goals.

  96. Nasri's Mouth

    VP: At most other big club’s this would be a sackable offense

    See what I mean, you just can’t stop yourself

  97. Nasri's Mouth

    @DUIFG

    Yeah, of course Giroud is playing with better players, so his job is made easier by that, but I’d also expect teams to sit back and defend more against us than they would against Villa.

    So, lets see how he does with Liverpool. If you’re right, then he’s going to score a lot more goals this season, than he has previously.

  98. gambon

    Wallace

    I think its underhand when you only bracket them for one player.

    Anyway, the question isnt really if Giroud is better than Benteke.

    its whether hes good enough to build a successful team on. In my opinion, absolutely no way.

    Averages 13.5 PL goals per season,

    Wayne Rooney has matched that playing as a number 10.

    Frank Lampard matched that from Central MF between 2007-2014

  99. Nasri's Mouth

    @Al

    He’s injured which is why he’s probably on another plane.

    As for the comment, could mean a million things unfortunately

  100. DUIFG

    Costa , falcao
    Rooney, depay,
    Aguero, bony
    Sturridge, benteke

    OG,welbz, wally

    the more you look at it we will have to play some ridiculously good football to get anywhere near with that strikeforce.

    We need to over pay on somebody is we are to avoid disappointment.

  101. gambon

    “Welbeck was very poor in front of goal last season, but he was much better in 13/14.”

    And in 2012/13 he managed 2 goals all season. So lets not pretend last year was a one off.

    Im not completely against Welbeck, but I was expecting a lot more.

    His finish doesnt just need sharpening up, he needs to improve enormously.

  102. Nasri's Mouth

    Gambon: And in 2012/13 he managed 2 goals all season. So lets not pretend last year was a one off.

    And in the previous two seasons he was better in front of goal than he was last season, so, there’s something there.

    I’m not a massive Welbeck fan either. I don’t think he’s ever going to be good enough as a first choice striker, but he’s not the ‘dis-Aster dahling’ that some are painting him as.

  103. DUIFG

    not really sure why people get on Welbeck ‘s back, at 16 mil it was fantastic value for a guy who can play wide or centrally, its not as if we thought we were bringing in WC, it was massively low risk, if you sold him tomorrow I bet we could recoup most of that money

  104. naijagunner

    @DUIG
    Costa, Falcao……How many goals did Falcao score in this same league last season?, i think your point might have been better made by adding Remy there (proven in the league)

    Rooney, Depay…what do u know really about Memphis Depay and how many goals he would score in the EPL?

    Aguero,Bony….No arguments there .

    Sturridge ,Benteke…….Both proven EPL goal scorers

    Giroud ,Walcott….Both are good for 30 EPL goals a season, none too shabby Welbeck , we have to wait and see. I do believe we require an upgrade if Benzema is achievable

  105. Bamford10

    Wallace, Willow

    Both of you have misinterpretedMourinho’s remarks. Gambon is right: he isn’t so much complimenting our team as he is calling out Wenger.

    He also only half-believes some of what he there. For example, while I’m sure he rates Debuchy, he certainly doesn’t think he’s on level with Ivanovic.

    Gambon, Em, Karim

    Gambon is right that money generally prevails, but I think he takes this point too far. Atletico and Dortmund (and Juventus?) have shown that a team with less money but more intelligence, great tactics, as great manager, smart signings, tough, ambitious players can win titles.

    Problem is that Wenger has shown he is not the manager to carry something like this out.

  106. gambon

    DUIFG

    Apparently hes on close to £100k per week.

    Thats £100k pw to do a job that Serge Gnabry could comfortably do.

    Get rid of Welbeck and Podolski and you have the wages to pay Karim Benzema.

    Now as much as I would like Welbeck to come good, I would give him a piggy back from Manchester to Gatwick if it meant we replaced him with Benzema.

  107. Marko

    Costa , falcao
    Rooney, depay,
    Aguero, bony
    Sturridge, benteke

    Costa and Aguero aside those striker forces aren’t that great. Definitely huge concerns about Sturridge’s fitness and whether Falcao and Bony can be consistent. And Benteke I don’t rate and Depay is unknown in the league and not a striker. Also personally feel Rooney isn’t all that anymore. We bring in a decent striker and we’ve nothing to fear

  108. Nasri's Mouth

    DUIFG: Costa , falcao
    Rooney, depay,
    Aguero, bony
    Sturridge, benteke

    Costa is going to going to get a sack load, unless defences have wised up to him, but I’m not sure they can really, force of nature and all that. in goal scoring terms Falcao is still lying on the hospital bed with the heart monitor making a long continuous beeeeeep, and the doctors shaking their heads.

    Rooney has a big job on if he’s going to lead the line. He’s not getting any younger and he’s played a lot of football, esp. for someone who doesn’t exactly look after himself. Can he get back to his goalscoring best? Very hard to predict. As for Depay, anyone on here seen enough of him to know how well he’ll do ?

    Aguero is the best striker in the PL. If his hamstrings hold together he’ll be superb. Not sure about Bony. Looked out of his depth after joining ManC, but he should be a decent back up.

    Sturridge is still injured, wont be back for a while yet, and will take a while to get back to speed. Great when 100% fit, but his issues could be long term. Benteke isn’t really the player Liverpool need. He’s less ‘Balotelli’ or Lambert than Balotelli or Lambert, but not quite the mobile passing 1-2 playing machine that Rdogers wants. Curious to see how he does and whether Rodgers changes his game play to accommodate him. Last season he didn’t, but he might have learned his lesson

  109. DUIFG

    DUIFGApparently hes on close to £100k per week.Thats £100k pw to do a job that Serge Gnabry could comfortably do.Get rid of Welbeck and Podolski and you have the wages to pay Karim Benzema.Now as much as I would like Welbeck to come good, I would give him a piggy back from Manchester to Gatwick if it meant we replaced him with Benzema.

    Think you are being a little bit harsh on welbeck quality, express pace, good hold up, built, he does create chances. where he is rterrible is in front of goal, but even here he has shown flashes of being able to do it, cl hatrick last year, england form recently.

    He is more annoying then a flop, and welbeck presence in the squad is in no way hindering Benzema’s presence in the squad.

  110. Willow Wilson

    VP
    “I wouldn’t call any fan who’s that’s pissed off as to why we are going into the new season with Giroud and Welbeck as our main CF’s. Only at Arsenal would this be called melodramatic. At most other big club’s this would be a sackable offense”

    With all due respect, everything pisses you off. Yesterday we were a ‘fucking joke of a club’.

    There are a few on here who are starting to over protest imo. It’s boring.

    Between Giroud, Welbeck, Sanchez and Theo there are plenty of goals. Remember, Theo is like a new player and last season he scored 5 goals from 4 starts (+5 as sub). Giroud continues to defy those who have been using him as part of a witch hunt and cant seem to accept they were wrong about him being ‘shit’. Welbeck has the potential to be a great signing although we have been playing him out wide when his best position may be centrally. Sanchez is in his second season.

    Ozil will be back providing the assists and after a proper pre-season, unlike last seasons world cup. He was incredible on Saturday in the stadium, his movement and control is breathtaking.

    All looks good to me. I cannot imagine what has happened during pre-season has to have upset some people on LeGrove, lol. Even my Spurs mate is drooling over our squad and the only thing he usually drools over is his Lager.

  111. Down under gunner

    @gambon
    Have to agree with you that well beck won’t cut and can’t finish to save his life, and giroud is a squad player at best who buckles under pressure, has no pace, can’t dribble past a player or finish with his right foot.. Ohh “but he has great hold up play”

  112. Emiratesstroller

    VP

    I don’t follow your argument about World Class players not wanting to come to England except for money.

    Arsenal recruited world class players long before Sky and Commercial Sponsorship in England was the draw.

    Henry, Bergkamp and Viera were all world class players equivalent to those you have listed and none cost megabucks or huge wages. Ronaldo did not
    cost exactly megabucks when he went to Manchester United.

    I concede that Britain has not produced large numbers of world class players
    in modern times, but there have been some excellent players nevertheless.
    I think that most clubs on the Continent would have jumped to buy not only
    Beckham, but both Giggs and Scholes as well who were probably better footballers.

    Carts

    I accept entirely the argument that Arsenal have under performed in the commercial market if compared with Manchester United.

    However, I think that you need to take a look at circumstances. Arsenal were
    involved in very complex acquisition and planning matters when we decided
    to build Emirates. This was a very costly exercise, which no other EPL club
    has been forced to do.

    Manchester United rebuilt their stadium piecemeal on Old Trafford Site, Manchester City and West Ham were both offered existing stadiums which they have leased on very favourable terms and Spurs will be offered unlike Arsenal financial assistance with infrastructure from Mayor of London.

    Also our situation was not helped with the advent of the recession in 2008 just
    at the time when Highbury and other Residential and Commercial Developments in the district were due for completion. The outcome was that we earned a lot less from sales than we might have expected. Indeed there was
    a time when it was touch and go whether we would not make a loss.

    All this may be construed as an excuse, but it was certainly a distraction to
    what other clubs managed to achieve both on and off the field.

    For example the stadium used by Bayern Munich was completed around the
    same time, but in contrast to us they were not burdened with the cost. They
    were able to focus on developing their team.

    What I do accept is that Arsenal lost out in the ownership of club. Kroenke is
    not the right owner for an English/European Club. He lacks the passion or
    the willingness to invest in the team. Had Usmanov or another investor bought the club I am pretty sure that there would have been proper investment there.

    Arsenal have always been ultra cautious in who they bring onto the board. That started with Roger Levitt who was at one time the largest shareholder and deemed unfit to join Board and quite rightly so. Usmanov has been almost
    certainly excluded for similar reasons and I know for a fact that Fiszman with
    his dying breath ensured that his shares would not fall into Usmanov’s hands.

    All this was a distraction perhaps to developing the commercial aspects of the
    club and why we have fallen behind there. However, there is no reason why
    we cannot catch up in that department or spend money on improving the team.

  113. gambon

    “Giroud, Welbeck, Sanchez and Theo”

    See this is very misleading.

    No more than 2 of these will start any match.

    Secondly, none of these players are prolific goalscorers.

    They average 13, 5, 14 and 8 league goals per season between them.

    That is not good enough.

    I would rather have 1 x 30 goal per season player than 3 x 10 goal per season players.

    The former could fire you to success, the latter 3 wont.

    We dont have enough goals in our team, even Lord Wenger has said that.

  114. Willow Wilson

    MTLM
    “Pedro has turned into muzzi oscan mach 2!”

    To be fair, he has written a couple of positive articles, so he’s probably still in recovery…..!

    Either that or he’s been kidnapped by gambon and his pet monkey Bamford and will not be let out until he writes something negative about the club.

  115. Willow Wilson

    gambon
    “I would rather have 1 x 30 goal per season player than 3 x 10 goal per season players”

    Perhaps but leaves you with a bit of a problem if he gets injured. Personally, I would prefer to have a team that has options. I think we have that. We scored one less goal than Chelsea and that was with Theo out for most of the season, Giroud out for a third of the season and Ozil missing for a third. Not sure why that is being ignored.

    I believe that with all this players available from the start, Arsenal have more goals in the team than last season.

  116. Dissenter

    Nasri’s mouth,
    “VP: It’s just a disgrace as to how we’ve ended up with Welbeck, an absolute disgrace.And we’re back to being over melodramatic again”

    No!
    Its just facing reality.
    A striker who’s scored 20 goals in 113 games should not be payed 100k weekly.
    Welbeck makes Giroud look like world class.
    It’s just being truthful. The lad isn’t a center forward, plays the wings poorly with little contribution but he does work very, very hard albeit with little productivity.

  117. Nasri's Mouth

    gambon: I would rather have 1 x 30 goal per season player than 3 x 10 goal per season players.

    To some extent, though it depends how you’re playing them. If you’re only going to play one player, then obviously the 1 * 30 gps player is better but it’s pretty likely that 2 out of Giroud, Walcott and Sanchez will start pretty much every game and both Sanchez and Walcott have very good goal ratios considering they’re not being played as strikers.