Perfect preseason.

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2 trophies and the season hasn’t even started!

I didn’t catch the whole of the Emirates Cup game. But the parts that I did catch made for impressive viewing.

We’ve beaten one of the best sides in Germany and we destroyed the second best team in France.

Sure preseason doesn’t account for much in the grand scheme of things, but this preseason gives us a full compliment of players to pick from heading into the Charity Shield. We’ll have some continuity of our approach that was so successful at the tail end of last summer. We’ll also have a monster truck load of confidence.

Makes me a bit nervous. It’s all going a little too well. Where’s that banana skin?

News buzzing around the airwaves is that Pep Guardiola is going to takeover at City next season. That makes me worry. He’ll get things ticking over there. So this feels like a very good season to make some heavy progress before things get really tasty. I wonder where Klopp will go?

There’s still no major news on the transfer front. Madrid haven’t done any major damage in the transfer market yet. United have chilled their beans and don’t seem to have managed a striker purchase. Chelsea haven’t done anything major for once.

Surely there’s more to come from this summer?

So will definitely have a good post for you tomorrow! Delayed because of match noise.

Tune in.

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  1. Nasri's Mouth

    @Relieable sauce

    Have no idea on Chambers, haven’t seen enough (or in a situation where the odds weren’t against him) to know. Wenger hasn’t been pushing him in the press though, so I suspect he’d only be used in emergencies.

    My view is Wenger will either someone like Ki, or more likely I think, he’ll want to go with 2 more attacking players at the back to give us more creativity against the bus parkers, esp. at home.

    In theory, with a good pressing game, it could work well, but everyone needs to be on their game.

  2. Sukky

    Redtruth, we beat Everton, man United (FA cup), man city, Liverpool, and drew against Chelsea and man United in the second half of the season. Those aren’t lemon sides, are they?

  3. Redtruth

    Wenger’s losers mentality is to finish games with six defenders when defending a slender lead thus encouraging pressure and leaving no outlet.

  4. Wallace

    “Wenger’s losers mentality is to finish games with six defenders when defending a slender lead thus encouraging pressure and leaving no outlet.”

    and Mourinho’s grab a lead then keep 8 back mentality? also a ‘losers mentality’?

  5. northern gooner

    Midwest

    They are going through an intense deep cleansing as we speak.

    They will be destroyed if we dont win on sunday.

  6. Sukky

    I love the way Bamford10 argues with clarity and vital points, I respect it bro. But this Giroud hate is making you silly. You can’t post without Giroud in it. It’s been like that for 9 months. Lol

  7. Sam

    Moaners used to moan we don’t have a DM to protect the back four, now we found Coquelin n guess what? they now claiming he has limitations.Lol!!!
    What a bunch of housewives?

    Btw, If we don’t sign a midfielder its not only Arteta n Flamini. If Debuchy is fit n Coquelin is not available Bellerin will fill the spot with ease. Not too sure about Hayden but we cannot judge him just from last night game.

  8. Emiratesstroller

    Klauspoppe

    The reason we drew the games against Chelsea and Sunderland and lost to Swansea was not down specifically to Giroud, but team selections and tactics as well.

    Sanchez was by the time of these fixtures flogged to death and Wenger persisted in playing midfielders in preference to someone like Walcott. As a
    consequence it was fairly easy to bottle up Giroud, because he became in these games our only outlet.

    The reason we finished third rather than second was entirely due to the run of
    these three games where we dropped seven points.

    The fact is that we beat Man City drew with Man Utd in away games and beat
    Liverpool and drew with Chelsea at home after Christmas. That was an upgrade of our performance level against these teams in recent years.

    Hopefully we will have fewer injuries next season and more goal scoring artillery options for games.

    What I do know is that Arsenal should buy only players significantly better
    than we have got or in case of CDM what is needed.

    When you analyse current transfer business there were realistically very few
    players on the market that were remotely interesting or available to us.

    The suggestion that we should have gone after Sterling is interesting. Many
    Liverpool supporters that I have spoken to would take Walcott in preference to him any day. That may be blind prejudice, but the argument put to me is that Walcott is a far more clinical striker.

    The argument as to whether we should have bought Schneiderlein and Vidal
    has been debated ad infinitum. Coquelin has been brought into team to do a
    specific job, which he does very well. If you buy S and V you are compelled to
    play them in starting lineup at expense of one of our current crop of midfielders and I think that Wenger is absolutely right on holding onto our current
    crop rather than offloading them.

  9. BacaryisGone

    The link to Llorente actually makes some sense. Not because of the qualities of the player-he’s never been a prolific scorer, has limited pace and is now 30 years old-but because he fits our system.

    Our pace is primarily located on the flanks with Giroud (and now possibly Llorente) being used to hold the ball, link with the midfield and get on the end of crosses in the box. It’s something that Welbeck just doesn’t do as well and is far more valuable out wide.

    It’s extremely unlikely we’re going to land Benzema this summer but Llorente will provide decent competition for Giroud and should settle in comfortably alongside the rest of our Spanish contingent.

    I can live with this signing even if it is far from a thrilling one.

  10. BacaryisGone

    And for those knocking this, I would love to see a list of even 5 available, attainable players who would fit in our system that we can snap up this summer.

  11. Marko

    Redtruth
    July 27, 2015    18:02:27
    France are losers.
    Only reason they won the World Cup was because it was packed full of foreigners.

    Classic Red am I right? Pure stupidity with just a hint of xenophobia and racism

  12. Relieable sauce

    Possible CM line-up without Coq.

    ——–Ozil/JW
    Santi/JW/Arteta—Ramsey/JW

    So the games we choose to not play Coq or when he is unavailable, we have replaced him with a 1st team regular or Arteta.
    When do Ozil, Santi & Ramsey get a rest(rotated)?

  13. Marko

    SukkyJuly 27, 2015    19:19:15
    I love the way Bamford10 argues with clarity and vital points, I respect it bro. But this Giroud hate is making you silly. You can’t post without Giroud in it. It’s been like that for 9 months. Lol

    Funny enough that’s about the same time he got knocked up

  14. tunnygriffboy

    Guys. Any of you seen anywhere in the media Mourinho being pick up on his comments about other clubs trying to ‘ buy the title ‘ ?

    Also has anyonee seen Van Gaal being picked up about saying his side lack creativity. That after spending £230 million so far and Moyes spending £60 million + on Mata and Fellaini.

    Man u fan on radio. We don’t need galactico’s , when we went on the good run last season it wasn’t the galactico’s for that. We relied on people like Mata and Fellaini. Oh the irony. Loooool

    Man u fans pretty convinced they’ll win the league. Will be interesting.

  15. Wallace

    Bacary

    “The link to Llorente actually makes some sense.”

    what’s his 100m time, and can he beat players ‘off the dribble’?

    asking for a friend…

  16. Dissenter

    Stoke are making big moves this week. It seems they on the verge of signing Ibrahim Affellay on a free transfer.
    Who can believe that the rugby team has evolved to a passing team in a very short time.

  17. steve

    @Rosicky

    2011/12

    Chelsea 3_5 Arsenal

    Chelsea was in top 4

    ____________

    Erm no they weren’t. They finished 6th that season. Get your facts straight first if you’re going to correct someone.

  18. vicky

    Kondogbia
    Morgan
    Khedira

    I think all these players would have been an upgrade over Arteta and Flamini. So, I do not agree that Wenger could not have done anything else except signing Cech. And if you believe Le Coq could play 50 games for us while maintaining his form then you are not serious. And if you think Arteta or Flamini could do the job for us, then well………….

  19. vicky

    Also, If you say we should not be signing a DM because it makes life difficult for Le Coq, then you should have opposed Gabriel’s signing as well because he threatens BFG’s position in the team as a definite starter.

  20. Leedsgunner

    Erm no they weren’t. They finished 6th that season. Get your facts straight first if you’re going to correct someone.

    Yes, and didn’t Di Matteo lead them to the the UCL Title? That was the only reason why they could sign Hazard in my opinion… as reigning UCL Champions… ugh.

  21. Nasri's Mouth

    Relieable sauce: When do Ozil, Santi & Ramsey get a rest(rotated)?

    I guess we’d see Wilshere/Ox in place of them, could even play Alexis as a no.10, instead of Ozil, he plays a different style to Ozil, but he’s effective in that role.

    We’ve got enough flexibility that all the players should be able to get a rest here and there.

  22. Gustav Graves

    @Vicky
    I think the problem is…If you do buy those guys then you have an ego issue.
    You spend 20-50mil on a guy to back up a guy who was on loan at the beginning of last year?

    And if you start them ahead of Coq…what kind of message does that send to him?
    Especially after the season he just had.
    Difficult choice for the manager I think.

  23. Nasri's Mouth

    Relieable sauce: Girouds is zombie-esque with his closing down.

    Ha, yeah, he was pretty poor, but he’s actually improved at it. He doesn’t need to be that quick, just intelligent. Closing down is about combined work between team mates and cutting off passing routes.

  24. Nasri's Mouth

    Bacaryisgone: Your reason, Marko? You might want to tell that to the bookies…

    Bookies odds are mostly down to the amount of money that punters are chucking about. They rarely know anything more than the rest of us.

    I made a similar point when someone used the Schneiderlin odds (which were even better) to suggest we were going to sign him

  25. Marko

    Bacary forgetting the fact he’s 30 and a pile of shite these days the Llorente stuff screams of an agent trying to drum up interest for his client when there isn’t any

  26. vicky

    Gustav

    It’s not about Coquelin, is it ? It’s about the team, the club. I like Coquelin. I really do. I think he will only get better. But I have ZERO trust in the ability of Arteta and Flamini. We are in trouble If Le Coq gets injured. And players always have competition when they play for a top club. We talk about Le Coq all the time but is Ramsey not frustrated with playing wide. Jack does not get game time. Rosicky does not even make the bench these days. Why a selective sense of protection only for Le Coq ?

  27. Nasri's Mouth

    vicky: then you should have opposed Gabriel’s signing as well because he threatens BFG’s position in the team as a definite starter.

    Not quite the same, BFG has a pretty limited number of seasons left, Coq has just arrived on the scene

  28. Nasri's Mouth

    Marko: the Llorente stuff screams of an agent trying to drum up interest for his client when there isn’t any

    this

  29. Relieable sauce

    Santi, Ozil, Ramsey & OG will all need to be played selectively if they are to avoid fatigue & loss of form over the season & more importantly the final 2/3 months when games are (hopefully) coming thick & fast.

    Santi should only play the top tier games imo, no cup games or trips to bottom half teams.
    Ozil, Ramsey & OG can be used a bit more liberally but shouldnt be beasted when they are so important to us. A fit JW will help IF he can stay fit…
    Coq needs to have the most incredible season in the history of football if we are to win the PL.

    Our MF hasnt improved on last season & the DM position has been a long standing problem, Arteta is a year older & we are relying on JW to stay injury free. Not to mention Coq IS the ONLY DM in the 1st team squad.

  30. vicky

    NM

    Not sure how that makes much of a difference. We have competition for all the places bar the CDM and center forward position. Sanchez signing certainly reduced the game time for one of Ox and Walcott. Ozil took away Santi’s AM position. Ox signing threatened Wally’s position on the right flank. I mean whenever a new player is signed, someone else has to make way or sacrifice. That’s the way it is. But yet every club signs players, we sign players. Cech came in and Ospina, who was the first choice and did well, is now a 2nd choice GK. We did not talk of upsetting the status quo or disrupting the cohesion then, did we ?

  31. Gustav Graves

    @Vicky

    Youre right. Its not about Coquelin, Its about Flamini and I honestly think, the larger elephant in the room, Arteta.

    The sense of protection is overly used on Arteta to the point it destroys the entire
    synergy of the midfield.

    Think about it…
    Its much easier to make a first and second squad line up that would strike fear into the opposition WITHOUT his name being in it.
    In my opinion, hes as dead weight as Diaby, and has been for some time.

  32. Gustav Graves

    Also…

    Correct me if im wrong, but I could have sworn that when we bought Chambers they said he had experience playing in the right/central defense AND defensive mid.

    Is this correct, anyone?

  33. Relieable sauce

    It is possible Coq could be suspended for the league game against Chelsea if he was to pick up 5 yellows or a red, unlikely but possible.

    How many red & yellow cards do we think Coq will pick up in the PL & UCL?
    He is no hatchet man tbf.

    ucl group stage – 3/4 y
    EPL & domestic cups – 12 y, 2 r

  34. MidwestGun

    Chambers played defensive midfielder for us one time last year against Southampton ironically and he was pretty bad. We lost 2 -0. He was too slow in positioning and recovery and had no comfortability on the ball and passing range. Think he will have to make it as a CB.

  35. Nasri's Mouth

    I think there’s some truth in that, though Sanchez kinda took Podolski’s position, Ozil took Santi’s no.10 position but both still got gametime, Cech did replace Ospina, but we were trying to get Cech last summer, and Ospina has admitted that he was signed as a no.2

    I think it’s a combination of how Coq has come from nowhere, what the details of him agreeing to his contract were, what Wenger thought of Schneiderlin and what Wengers plans are for the midfield next season

  36. BacaryisGone

    My dad was a bookie and to a certain extent you’re correct. Bookies typically don’t care about the outcome as long as there are evenly matched bets, adjust the odds accordingly and limit their risk.

    At the same time, you can get 10-1 on him staying at Juve. No bookie in their right mind would offer that if there was a slim chance of him staying.

    So it’s fair to assume he’ll be leaving. Next, you have to look at where he might fit. Arsenal clearly could use a similar type player to Giroud in the event of injury and loss of form. Llorente has a good first touch and fits the Giroud mould. A player like Lacazette is the opposite to what we need in our system.

    Llorente has a familiarity with many of our team already and will also be relatively inexpensive. Additionally, Welbeck has a worrying mystery injury and the odds on pulling in Benzema seem to be unlikely.

    I agree that there have probably been a few punts on him coming that have driven the odds down and it doesn’t take a lot of money to shift these odds. Still, there’s a logic to signing him although his age is probably the main argument against him coming to Arsenal.

  37. BacaryisGone

    As for Cavani odds, I remember seeing odds of 1/5 on us signing Ashley Williams. At the same time, they didn’t offer odds on him staying at Swansea so there was little incentive for bookies to lower those odds.

    I have no idea if Llorente is either a target of the club and whether we could get him. However, it is a signing that makes sense, although I’m sure the club would prefer a loan option if there’s interest.

  38. Nasri's Mouth

    @Bacaryisgone

    We have Giroud, Welbeck and Walcott who can play up front. We have the numbers if not the quality.

    While none are as good as we’d like, Llorente isn’t some massive upgrade on any of them, so all we’re doing is adding more numbers.

    As for Llorente leaving, yeah, he more than likely is. Which brings us to the reason we’re linked. We’re often linked to players to get them or their clubs a better deal with their new club

  39. Sam

    Gustav Graves!

    True! We have Chambers, Hayden n bellerin as possible covers for coquelin

    But Flamini n Arteta are still in the team n Wenger will pick them first, unfortunately

  40. salparadisenyc

    Llorente doesn’t fit into the ever present Wenger category of “well only add top quality”.

    Unless we want to corner the market on handsome lumps of meat whom ply their trade thru the middle, think we can dismiss that one. Just what we need a right footed L’Oreal.

  41. Emiratesstroller

    NM

    I don’t think that there is a remote possibility of Arsenal buying Llorente. As
    you suggest this is agents or media talk.

    He is not remotely an upgrade on what we have got already. We are not going to
    waste money on such a player who does not score many goals.

  42. salparadisenyc

    Were linked with Draxler again because Shalke turned the Juve bid down today for him in hopes of raising his fee.

    Much prefer the Draxler / Pedro direction than Llorente.

  43. BacaryisGone

    You’ve all nearly got me convinced. No matter what, there are several major ‘ifs’ in order for us to get him.

  44. MidwestGun

    Draxler seems like a Wenger type of signing. Attacking mid who wants to have a go at Cf or cam. Best friends with Ozil. Could rotate with Ox on one wing at first.

    …………….Giroud /Theo
    Sanchez /Welbeck……..Ozil…………Ox/Draxler.

    Altho, I think we would have to flip Sanchez to other side if Draxler played.

    Anyhow, who knows….. hate to be the one trying to set odds at the bookies for trying to prepredict AW’s moves.

  45. Sam

    Reine Adelaide is a good player but not ready for premiership football maybe next season. He needs to work on his defensive play n Gnabry should be ahead of him, if Wenger fast track his French golden boy gonna cost us in big games.
    And we know he’s going on loan to shitty
    team n drop his skill level. Would rather send him to France than flipping Rotherham. Wenger knows loan system destroyed most of our youth he still doing it anyway but he’ll protect Adelaide to please the french FA Hmmmm, sanogo went to palace now Ajax, Lol!!!

  46. MidwestGun

    Gustav –
    Lol.., ya he can. I wasn’t trying to be snarky. I think we have plenty of players who can play cdm in a pinch but it’s a matter of trying to win a title if Coquelin can’t go for some reason. And I think there is genuine concern this year because it looks like we have a better squad then most years, imo. And we have seen from last season what a player in the Coquelin mode can do.

  47. vicky

    Draxler is linked not because we are interested but because Juventus’ bid was knocked down. Draxler to Arsenal is not much different from Gourcuff to Arsenal.

  48. Sam

    Gnabry never been on loan, fortunately

    If you send a young player to lower division team for 2 consecutive seasons, he’s finished. Hopefully Apkom hasn’t lost it as well

  49. Highbury4ever

    “Llorente doesn’t fit into the ever present Wenger category of “well only add top quality”.

    He’s going to sign for “only” 12M euros apparently.
    LOL same old arsène, only wants the “cheapest top quality”.

  50. Joe

    We have 200m in the bank and some of you say we can play chambers in a pinch.

    Do you not see the problem with that

    What major title are we going to win by playing players we can play in a pinch?

    Loser mentality

    Buy the players we need. We have the money

  51. nasri's mouth

    @Midwestgun

    I often think we come out for the second half looking too relaxed. Its been well reported that Wenger doesn’t say much at half time, just a few important words. Maybe he also needs to gee the players up more

  52. nasri's mouth

    @Joe

    Hard to know as we’ve seen so liitle of him at DM, but I’d be very surprised if Wenger is planning to use him there at all. Hasn’t featured there in preseason, hasn’t mentioned him playing there for ages, has reiterated he sees him as a CB

  53. Joe

    It’s not even chambers, it’s the fact the supporters still say ” we can use so and so in a pinch”. We have 200m in the bank. Let’s buy the players we need to compete. Not play Jack out wide. Or monreal at cb. Or have Giroud as our #1 cf

  54. MidwestGun

    Nasri –
    That could be part of it. Not focused after half. The season before last it was early goals. Seemed to have stopped that. Only 1 goal allowed in first 15 minutes. Hopefully it’s something they have looked at tho in regards to coming out second half. Designated halftime speaker/ ass kicker or something…… No smoke breaks.

  55. nasri's mouth

    @joe

    Nothing to do with supporters though. Its Wenger who has decided who he wants to play where. For example,if he wants to play a more dynamic pairing of Wilshere / Ramsey without a dedicated DM then he won’t see any value in Schneiderlin for £27m. Anyway we’ll know more by sept 2nd and even more 1/2 way through the season.

    At least we won’t be seeing Monreal at CB anymore (not sure he was worse than any other teams 4th choice CB to be fair)

    And if Wenger can persuade Benzema…

  56. nasri's mouth

    @Dissrnter They’ll see him as 4th choice at Arsenal, while they’re short at the back themselves and…

  57. Dimitri

    And they tried reporting us for tapping him up or some shit only a month ago? They’ve got some nerve.

  58. Down Under Gunner

    We will never win anything with Giroud as our starting striker, his limitations and poor finishing will cost us again this year if we don’t sign anyone..
    He cant driblbe past a player, cant finish under pressure, cant finish with his right foot… “but his hold up play is fantastic”. People tend to forget that strikers are paid to be lethal finishers and bury the chances our world class midfield creates, pity we dont have a world class striker to go with..

  59. Rosicky@Arsenal

    Steve

    My mistake Chelsea was 6th in 2011/12

    But still the table posted by tits remains to be corrected.

    Wonder from where he took that wrong info.

  60. Bamford10

    Fair enough, Sukky, I’ll avoid the topic going forward. I’ve made my point many times and have helped build a consensus on that point, so I am satisfied.

    So a few questions for Le Grove:

    1. Who should the starting CM be? Cazorla, Ramsey or Wilshere?

    2. Who should start WIDE RIGHT? Ox, Walcott, Ramsey or Welbeck?

    3. What is the best CM arrangement if Coquelin gets injured?

    4. Odds that Arsenal win the league as is? Make the CL semi-final as is?

    __________

    1. can’t decide
    2. Ox (and I’d start Theo thru the center)
    3. don’t know (Arteta is garbage)
    4. 7/1; 40/1

  61. Dark Hei

    Llorante to Arsenal is just pure nonsense.

    If Wenger just wants a backup, we have a serviceable one with plenty of upside in the form of Welbeck.
    That being said, I think Welbeck is on standby to be sold for the next big striker to land at our doorstep.
    Same with Rosicky and Flamini. I don’t buy into this conveniently injured thing.

  62. Dark Hei

    Bamford10

    1. Tough choice. I think it will be a rotating 3. I am perfectly comfortable with a Carzola-Ramsey midfield.
    2. Walcott. His versatility has grown by leap and bounds. I never believed he could play out on the left. Now that he has shown that, he can switch easily with Sanchez.
    3. Carzola-Ramsey. We played the pair in the 0-0 draw against Sunderland. It was very solid. That game suffered from a lack of runners. We needed someone like Walcott to just hang around the 6 yard box.
    4. Good chance. I think our main rivals are Chelsea and City. City with Sterling it dangerous. But I fancy our chances too. Ramsey, Wilshire and Walcott have made huge progress, thanks to the medical staff. They can now express themselves. Ramsey hasn’t hit his peak yet.

  63. Bamford10

    Best XI?

    __________Cech
    Debu__Mert__Kosc__Monr
    _____Rams_____Coqu
    ___________Ozil
    Ox______Walcott____Snchz

    This front three would present lots of pace issues for opposing defenses and could interchange freely.

    Could be decent pressing as well.

  64. Dark Hei

    Bam

    I will prefer Carzola over either Ramsey and Coquelin. His ability to pick up loose balls is better than the other 2.

    If you have Ox on the right, I am more comfortable with Giroud in the middle. If you have Wilshire on the right, I will opt for Walcott in the middle.

  65. Sam

    Bam,

    Hayden is the right person to be Coquelin’s deputy but its better since we have money to spend we buy an experienced CM/CDM and send the boy on loan to a premiership club like Jenkinson.

  66. Sam

    We released many players n didn’t replace them so this season we will have too many inexperienced players in the squad n it’s not unusual for arsenal fc to lose 6 seniors thru injuries. We might end up meeting Chelsea with Zelalem, Akpom n Hayden in the starting 11, scary!!!

  67. Wallace

    “We might end up meeting Chelsea with Zelalem, Akpom n Hayden in the starting 11, scary!!!”

    Sam, we’d need to have about 15 players out injured for this to happen. am sure you can find something more pressing to worry over.

  68. Wallace

    “If you add up the amounts clubs have spent in the last three or four years I think maybe you will find a surprise. If you put Özil plus Alexis Sánchez, plus Chambers, plus Debuchy, you will find a surprise. It’s a fantastic squad with good players, fantastic goalkeeper, they are more than ready to be a title contenders. Get a calculator. That is the easiest thing, it leaves no space for speculation.”

    – Mourinho

    not sure what tits & gambon will think of their man showing Arsenal some respect.

  69. Emiratesstroller

    Wallace

    Let’s be realistic the club is not short of experienced players even if you discount Flamini and Campbell.

    GK Cech Ospina Martinez
    RB Debuchy Bellerin
    CB Mertesacker Koscielny Gabriel Chambers
    LB Monreal Gibbs
    DMF Coquelin Arteta
    CMF Cazorla Ramsey Rosicky
    RW Walcott Oxlade-Chamberlain
    AMF Ozil Wilshire
    LW Sanchez
    ST Giroud Welbeck

    That is 23 players

    We have there at least 2 additional places to fill for registration purposes
    before transfer window closes, which is why I am optimistic that Wenger will
    still be doing some business before then despite all the doom and gloom.

  70. Wallace

    ES

    i’m confident we’ll contend even if we make no more additions. although i think there’ll be at least one more coming in.

    also, i’ll be surprised if Rosicky does stay. i know Wenger loves him, but just don’t see how he’s getting games this year.

  71. SRG#FreeN5

    @ES Only 20(or 21 if you count Ox as > 21) of those players are over 21 . So in theory we can register 5 more new players. But then next year we have to find a slot for Ox so some one has to leave your number of 23 sounds about right.

  72. gambon

    “not sure what tits & gambon will think of their man showing Arsenal some respect.”

    Lol, really?

    This isnt respect….this is Mourinho calling Wenger out for underachieving.

  73. qna

    We wont win the league with this squad. Talk about “fantasy” football. The list of players are flat track bullys and nothing more. City and Chelsea are stronger wgile we are more or less the same. Ospina’s performances last season were top notch and Cech can only replicate.

    We will fall short against Chelsea and City (home and away) and most likely fall short against United, Liverpool, Spurs, Everton away. We will not get more than 15 points out of a possible 42 against the 7 best performing clubs in the EPL next season and this is where we will again fall short.

    It will be interesting to see if we even get out of the group stage of the UCL now we are not seeded.

  74. Samesong

    Beating top team requires big tactics.

    Arsene comes short of that.

    Can’t play this gung ho all out attack all the time.

  75. qna

    Arsenal is the 8th richest club in the world and 4th richest in England. We underperform in europe year after year and clubs with far less money thab us are able to cash in on the tactical naivety that comes with the English brand of football. We have benefited from the old seeding system of europe for many years which enabled us to flat track bully our way out of the group stage (usually in 2nd place) and then hit a massive brick wall.

    Fortunately Arsenal are able to ourselves cash in on the the tactical naivety of English football and maintain a solid 4th place.

    This is why we acheive par in the league and over par in europe.

  76. Dark Hei

    Wallace

    We can contend with the current crop. But to get across the finishing line, we need someone impeccable up front who can also play our team game. But I think that special someone is not available.

  77. Biggus

    Wow, folks here still pinning for a CF? Wenger has been making noises about what we have within the squad. I doubt if we will get anyone. I’m more concerned about the DMF position as priority.

    Can’t wait for this weekend, Going to Wembley and hoping it’s a fantastic match.

  78. Emiratesstroller

    qna

    I would like to point out to you that we beat Man City twice last season plus a draw.

    From recollection we were the first team to beat them at Etihad last season.

    Let’s wait and see how we start the season before all this doom and gloom.
    Football is as Mourinho reported yesterday a “team game”. Results are not
    always decided by who spends the most in the transfer market.

    Let’s not forget that Athletico Madrid won two seasons ago La Liga despite
    being significantly poorer than the two financial heavyweights of that League.

    There are too many posters who keep on criticising Arsenal, but seem to forget that Real Madrid, Manchester City and Manchester United for all their
    financial muscle did not win a single trophy between them last season. Indeed
    Man Utd have finished below us in last two seasons.

  79. qna

    Emirates. City were poor last season from day 1, yet hey stil managed to finish above us. They have already strengthened considerably and will probably add De Bruyne and possibly another striker to the mix. They will improve considerably.

    There is no doom and gloom here. Only the reality of the last 8 -10 years. We cannot simply redefine ourselves as a matter of changing our state of mind and expect anything to have changed in the real world.

    In the real world we are still a bunch of flat track bullys that can look good for a period of time in any given season but who will without failure dispoint when the pressure is on and fall well short of being a genuine contender.

  80. gambon

    “I would like to point out to you that we beat Man City twice last season plus a draw.”

    No, we beat them once. You dont play the same team 3 times in a season.

    “Results are not
    always decided by who spends the most in the transfer market.”

    League position is heavily correlated to total investment in the team, with Wages being a more important factor than transfer spend.

    “Let’s not forget that Athletico Madrid won two seasons ago ”

    A friend of mine won £10k on a scratchcard 5 years ago, it doesnt mean he’s going to win everytime he buys one.

    The very fact that you have to scratch around to find these upsets, shows how rare they are.

    To go into a season crossing your fingers and hoping you can completely upset the odds is not a serious strategy, its nonsense.

  81. SpanishDave

    Wenger will not buy a small, he has ignored this position for over three seasons. Last year he destroyed Chambers by having to play him week after week because he failed to buy during the summer, the season before it was the KK joke in January
    There is something wrong within the club by constantly ignoring the problem.
    I think it’s blind faith in Arteta .

  82. Emiratesstroller

    Gambon

    No we beat them twice last season including Community Shield where they put out more or less their first team including Toure,Silva and Aguero.

    Whilst I am sure that you and all the other denigrators will downgrade the Community Shield I am pretty sure that all the top managers including Pellegrini and Mourinho don’t

    Do you think that Mourinho will not put out his strongest side this weekend?

  83. Emiratesstroller

    Gambon

    Frankly I am sick and tired reading how shit we are. For the record Chelsea have won the Premier League just three times which is the same number as us and Manchester City have won it just twice.

    If the criteria as far as you are concerned is who can spend the most money then there is not much point watching football.

    Frankly if that is the barometer of success then Chelsea will shortly be out of
    the picture, because the resources of Mourinho do not compare with either
    Abu Dhabi or Qatar Royal Families.

    I am a supporter and season ticket holder of Arsenal. I don’t mind constructive
    criticism, but get rather sick and tired of the same repetitive rubbish about
    what a poor team we have got.

  84. Nasri's Mouth

    Samesong: Can’t play this gung ho all out attack all the time.

    Which is why we don’t play this gung ho all out attack all the time. ..

  85. gambon

    “For the record Chelsea have won the Premier League just three times ”

    Jesus, the funny thing is i NEVER see you get any of your “facts” straight.

    I know a few people were defending you last week after I went over the top, which I apologise for, but you NEVER get anythung right.

    Chelsea have won the PL 4 times.

    2005, 6, 10, 15

    Thats 4 times since we last won it.

    They have also won the CL, something we still havent done, despite Wenger constantly going on about how proud he is to be there for 18 years.

    “If the criteria as far as you are concerned is who can spend the most money then there is not much point watching football.”

    This is the way it has always been. The bigget wages mean the best players, the best players mean the best teams, the best teams win the trophies.

    Why are you even surpirsed by this?

  86. gambon

    Emirates

    So you are proving the competitive nature of a pre-season, charity match by postulating as to how competitive a game that hasnt even happened yet will be?

    Lol,

  87. Nasri's Mouth

    The Charity shield isn’t a competitive match.

    Like other pre-season games it can give some indications of individual performances, and potentially you might get some idea of what the manager is planning to try in the season ahead, but ultimately whatever the managers think of each other, the players won’t be 100% ready, or 100% trying, or 100% caring.

  88. Rocky Pires

    This for me is my memories of the Community Shiled.

    A very competitive game v Utd and a game whereby they laid down a marker by trying to break our players legs .
    https://youtu.be/5Rorhw4X78s

    My other big memory i Silvinhos debut in the Community Shield.

    So I look back fondly on this competition and I think if we were to win it could be used as a platform going forward .
    The game can be as positive and as competitive as you want it to be and I dont think there is any way Mourinho will take this anything other than 100%.

  89. underrated Coq

    ” The Charity shield isn’t a competitive match. ”

    Yeah, but you think the detractors will be saying this if Arsenal lose the game? If Arsenal win, I am pretty sure they’ll be quick to point this out though.

  90. gambon

    “I don’t mind constructive
    criticism, but get rather sick and tired of the same repetitive rubbish about
    what a poor team we have got.”

    So in the last 10 years:

    – Chelsea have won 3 PL titles, 4 FA cups, The CL and the UEFA cup
    – Man Utd have won 5 PLs, and the CL
    – City have won 2 PLs and the FA Cup
    – Arsenal have won 2 FA Cups

    And you want everyone to talk like we are on the same level as these other teams?

    Its been 12 seasons since we could call ourselves the best club in the PL, and we have never won the biggest trophy.

    Our rivals can all claim to have been the best club in the PL within the last 3 years, we have to acept we have been a level below them.

  91. Rocky Pires

    Chelseas will look to stifle us and so try to give us a mental block as regards scoring against them, or even getting a win .
    I think they will go all out defensive .

    ___________Matic__Mikel
    Moses________Cesc______Hazard
    ______________Remy

  92. Wallace

    qna

    re City – Sterling definitely improves them, but they’re old. their big players won’t be better this year than they were last.

    Kompany & Toure were the two players that really put them beyond our reach. but Kompany’s been struggling for a while now, and Toure’s 32 now, and no longer looks all that interested.

  93. Samesong

    So if Chelsea were to beat us in CS what indicator would that suggest ?

    CS means nothing really. I’ts just a bit of entertainment

  94. Nasri's Mouth

    Mourinhos comments about us are probably a compliment in a way. While it’s an attempt to deflect pressure, and no doubt he only said it because some journo shoved a mic in his face, Mourinho isn’t stupid. If he’s said we’re a contender, it’s because he believes we’re one.

    How close a contender is another question of course.

  95. Jim Lahey

    – Chelsea have won 3 PL titles, 4 FA cups, The CL and the UEFA cup
    – Man Utd have won 5 PLs, and the CL
    – City have won 2 PLs and the FA Cup
    – Arsenal have won 2 FA Cups

    And in the last 10 years all those clubs have vastly outspent us. Teams that spend win.

    (Unless you’re liverpool and Spurs, I think both of those have outspent us in the last 10 years also.)

  96. Wallace

    next weekend means nothing bar the fact with the rivalry it’ll be an excellent last warm-up game. pleased Alexis will be missing. no chance for Mourinho via Ivanovic to take him out.

  97. karim

    Lol Atletico Madrid winning the league similar to a scratch card !

    What about Dortmund, Montpellier winning their domestic league or Juve, Atletico reaching the CL final ?

    Gambon is a sophist, he will distort facts to his own benefit, he could be a great lawyer or, better, a politician, you know like this old fart caught by the tabloids with whores and Coke all over the place, finding joy on how fucked the world is !

    LOL

  98. Emiratesstroller

    Gambon

    I am not a supporter of Chelsea and frankly don’t give a toss about that club
    owned by a FORMER Russian Gangster who likes to throw his ill gotten gains on a former bankrupt club.

    When it comes to finances I understand them very well and despite what you
    wrote I was right in my interpretation.

    The wealth of a club is not dependent on how much money owners have got
    or even its turnover, but on the bottom line which is profit and the realisable
    value of its cash and fixed assets., which does not incidentally include overpriced footballers.

    If I apply your logic about success in football Chelsea are on the way out, because Abromavich cannot compete with spending power of Qatar and Abu
    Dhabi Royal Families.

    The reality is that football is now changing. Many clubs have a lot of money
    to invest, but there is a declining number of “superstars” and “world class”
    players available each year in market.

    Manchester United, Real Madrid and Barcelona are finding it increasingly difficult to dislodge players from their competitors.

    Manchester City may be able to outspend Chelsea or Arsenal, but that does not mean that they will buy always the best players.

    Let us judge Arsenal on their performance in current season and not on posters prejudices about Club Management and Wenger in particular.

    You might actually be surprised by outcome.

  99. gambon

    “Let us judge Arsenal on their performance in current season and not on posters prejudices about Club Management and Wenger in particular.”

    Ive heard this the last 7, 8, 9 seasons in a row now. Its bollocks.

    If you dont think the best players flow to the club with the biggest resources then you dont understand football.

    And yes, youre right. Unless something changes then Chelsea are “on their way out”.

    That said they are a big and rich club in their own right. They have overtaken Arsenal off the pitch.

    However unless one of the other clubs finds a way of innovating massively, its only a matter of time before Man Utd top the PL again.

  100. Wallace

    gambon

    “If you dont think the best players flow to the club with the biggest resources then you dont understand football.”

    Matt leTissier, Steve Gerrard, Alan Shearer….

  101. Willow Wilson

    Wallace
    “If you add up the amounts clubs have spent in the last three or four years I think maybe you will find a surprise. If you put Özil plus Alexis Sánchez, plus Chambers, plus Debuchy, you will find a surprise. It’s a fantastic squad with good players, fantastic goalkeeper, they are more than ready to be a title contenders. Get a calculator. That is the easiest thing, it leaves no space for speculation.”–

    Mourinho not sure what tits & gambon will think of their man showing Arsenal some respect”.

    Lol.

    Lets look at what Mourinho said:

    “It’s a fantastic squad with good players, fantastic goalkeeper, they are more than ready to be a title contenders”

    Exactly what I have been slaughtered by the ‘usual’ critics for saying. Funny how the one the trolls worship is saying the same thing as a devil worshipping AKB.! That is very amusing, thanks Maureen.

    This is the strongest squad we have had since 2003/4. It has strength in depth, quality players returning and the confidence of two FA Cup trophies. As I also said, we needed a decent pre-season with all the players for a change and we have had that. Pre-season is more about fitness and team play than results but getting all three is an added bonus because the winning mentality breads confidence.

    I can understand why some people want to continue to slag off our players and our club now. Expect more to follow as the season progresses with our ‘easy fixtures’.

    If we win Saturday it is just a meaningless ‘friendly’. If we lose, it will be ‘proof’ we still can’t beat Mourinho. Guaranteed.

  102. gambon

    “What about Dortmund, Montpellier winning their domestic league or Juve, Atletico reaching the CL final ?”

    What about Bayern winning the league by 15 points 2 seasons running?

    What about PSG winning the French league 3 seasons in a row?

    What about Monaco winning promotion, and coming 2nd with 80 points in their first season back in Ligue 1?

    What about Real Madrid and Barcelona winning the last 2 CLs, the biggest 2 spending clubs in world football?

    What about Barca, Madrid, Bayern Munich, Chelsea, Man Utd sharing 7 of the last 8 Champions Leagues?

    See, i can find a lot more proof of why investment IS the most important factor, compared to evidence against it.

    Your hero Wenger even said last week, the richest clubs have the best teams.

    It isnt even up for debate.

  103. Leedsgunner

    When Wenger came in 4th year after year his excuse for not buying used to be — we need to see if we qualify for the Champion’s League Group stages before we buy.

    Now last season we finish third, and he has no excuse not to buy and strengthen in areas we all know we need strengthening, and he still won’t buy.

    I’m not advocating buying for the sake of it. We made a wonderful start to the transfer window by purchasing Cech. For that the club needs to be commended. Furthermore, we have made great strides in getting rid of long standing deadwood players like Miyachi and Diaby. For that the club also needs to be commended too.

    As much as we might like it to be, the truth is Coquelin cannot play all the games himself, and Arteta will most likely be injured before long. Sure he might start well (having 8 months off probably helped) but he cannot be expected to last another gruelling season injury free. I have a nasty feeling Wenger will make a last minute dash for a DM and a ST — just so that he could say “he tried to sign X and Y” but he had no time… conveniently forgetting he had all summer to firm up his squad. The sad truth is many will excuse him again.

    The pre-season games are for fitness and that’s it. Remember last year Sanogo and Campbell ran riot in the Emirates Cup but where are they now, as far as the first team is concerned?

    I will say this about the youth team. It sounds like, on first glance there’s some real prospects coming through. I hope they are nurtured and not played to the ground a la Wilshere. Shame that the effect of overplaying in that first season has never really left him, and he has suffered with injuries ever since. I imagine how much further he could have progressed if he was handled differently and he had not lost so much time to injuries.

    I hope Jack really proves himself this year in terms of his fitness and his potential becomes reality. We really need him to, he needs to work hard and focus on the football. If he does, he will be a great player. I really wish him the very best… because when Jack does well Arsenal do well.

  104. karim

    “It isn’t even up for debate ”

    Which is why you keep bringing it every single day !
    Maybe you will convince yourself at the end of the day.

    Gambon, you know damn well money is killing the game and that the bubble will burst one day.

    Wenger, my hero lol

  105. qna

    Wallace. Dont agree with you on City. Think they will be stronger this year than last as I think they had players that underperformed that are proven quality players. You mentioned Kompany and Toure. Add Silva and Nasri. Kolarov. Even after their poor seasons they still finished ahead of us. But the big difference between Arsenal and City is Aguero. Probably the best CF in the world if ypu dont consider Messi and Ronaldo as CFs (which I dont).

    City have now shipped out Jovetic and are trying to move on Dzeko. If they do not replace them they are still better than us. If they do replace them well, they could leapfrog Chelsea.

    I dont fear United to win the league with what looks like their squad to be. Current players minus Di Maria and De Gea. But if they can add Lewi or Benzema then they will also jump above us.

    Not sure where you guys are getting this confidence from. Wish I was smoking what you guys are smoking. Where are the runs on the board that changes the status quo of the last 10 years. FA cups do not translate to league champions. Ask Wigan.

  106. Carts

    “There are too many posters who keep on criticising Arsenal, but seem to forget that Real Madrid, Manchester City and Manchester United for all their
    financial muscle did not win a single trophy between them last season. Indeed
    Man Utd have finished below us in last two seasons.”

    This is dumb.com

    Their trophy haul in recent years has been very impressive.

    To then start reaching at a season, here and there, of no trophies is lame.

  107. gambon

    “Matt leTissier, Steve Gerrard, Alan Shearer….”

    That would be Alan Shearer, who Newcastle had to break the PL record to sign? Youve just proved my point, not argued against it? Sorry, not break, they had to shatter the record.

    Or Steven Gerrard that wanted to move to Chelsea in 2004 for megabucks, but wasnt able to due to gangsters threatening his family?

    Matt Le Tissier the fat farmer, who played about 8 times for England?