Shaping up powerfully

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Super quick one from me today because I have a beast of a day on fixing things!

Right, the game against Lyon.

Bloody amazing stuff.

Very difficult to put too much on it. Remember, this was a competition that had certain people praising Arsene Wenger for unearthing 4 goal Sanogo this time last year.

What I loved about the game was the abundance of power and pace we have in the side.

Chamberlain looks ready to step up. In fact, the whole team looks ready. These guys all know each other, they have a vision and a style. They have a game plan.

I really do think we can make a title challenge this year.

Do we need a sprinkle of something exceptional? I think so. I really think we need to bring in a world class forward. Will we do that? I have no idea. But we have the cash to blow £60m on a striker. That cash in the bank is pointless. Buy in someone incredible and make some stories for the club.

Today sees the return of the legend that is Nik B. Should be a fun game.

ENJOY.

Catch you tomorrow with a mini exclusive.

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  1. qna

    Seriously America? Donald Trump could be your next President? He is seriously leading the race for RP candidate? Holy Shit. Surely this is a sign of the end times?

  2. bennydevito

    Sat in that should read.

    Picked my ticket up & just paid a nifty for a 30quid ticket. The guy told me it was a 55 quid ticket but he was blagging it. Oh well. Paid 40 yesterday for a thirty as well and what with the fucking hotel charging me twice for my room it’s been an expensive experience. The hotel said the 90 quid should be refunded in 5days. That’s no fucking good! It’s completely compromised my whole weekend as I can’t afford any souvenirs or anything. So I’ve ended up paying 90 quid for 2 thirty quid tickets and 180 for a 90 quid room.

    Fucked right off.

  3. Paulinho

    Bamford – Think Ramsey at his best as got more to his game, and he has the perfect balance between being individualistic enough to know when to dispense with tiki-taka pleasantries and also when to be a team player. The key for him is being fleet of foot like he was yesterday in the build up to the second goal. When has those quick feet in tight areas his game goes onto another level, and that’s when he becomes more important than Sanchez for me. His game is also ‘all weather’; we don’t get the huge fluctuations in home and away performances like we do with Sanchez.

    I like Sanchez but for me he’s not first choice because at his worst he is a downright liability in terms of linking play in the final third. I would just play him in home games where teams naturally sit off a bit more and it allows him to turn and take advantage and use his qualities.

  4. Bamford10

    Great performance yesterday, but it ultimately means very little. Charity Shield will tell us far more, and the first few EPL games will tell us far more than that.

    Willow

    Critics and skeptics here do rely on their eyes, clown. You’re the one focused on the pundits. We watched the Monaco loss at home. We watched Giroud’s uselessness in the Monaco loss and in countless other big games. We watched Arsenal manage only to get a single shot against Chelsea. Twice, I think. We watched us lose to Spurs at WHL.

    We can also see the quality in the XIs of our competition.

    Unlike you, we see the team with the eyes of the realist, not with the eyes of the religious believer.

    Without a new CF and/or CDM, this team will finish 3rd or 4th in the EPL and lose in the CL 16. Just like last season.

    Cech improves us, but not enough for the league title or for a deep run in the CL.

  5. reality check

    vickyJuly 26, 2015 13:25:32
    Haha Jose Mourinho has accused rivals of trying to buy title…………what a clown !!

    What a clown yes! You can see the passive agressive frustrastion he’s expressing. Whats wrong jose? Now you cant spend whatever on whoever but your rivals can, feel like its all abit unfair?

    What a prick, don’t worry about him admitting chelsea bought the title before. It’s all word play and mis-direction, he wants the public or the media to feel like, oh well he admitted they also bought the title so it’s ok for him to blame others about it.

    Bulls**t, he’s pissed Roman won’t give him what he wants, regardless if he sells players. I think He’s slowly being forced to use his youth team and academy. Mabey he’ll get 1-2 senior players, but 3-4, hell no not anymore. Roman attends more youth team games than senior, this is well known.

    He may not be scared of us, but UTD and CITY’S spending have got him pissing his pants already. CITY haven’t even finished spending.

    Just how i see it on the ground, not on the fence.

  6. Bankz

    How bad was the DiMaria signing?
    65million & flogged for 49million in less than 12 months?

    But as Redtruth keeps saying he was NEVER a £65million player from the start.
    Madrid just robbed United in broad daylight using a flashlight

  7. Bamford10

    Bergkamp10

    ‘DO YOU NOT SEE THAT SIGNINGS CAN FLOP?!?!’
    ______

    What a dumb f***ing argument — screamed at us, no less. Yes, a new signing can flop. This would go for Cech, whom you’re already banking on (for good reason). This would also go for Ozil and Sanchez in years past, who clearly improved us.

    Yes, new signings can flop, but so too can existing players (in their own way). We already know how poor Giroud is. We already know that he is not good enough. There is no mystery there. He “flopped” against Monaco.

    And just as much as a new signing could “flop,” a Coquelin could see a dip in form, could show his immaturity in big games, could get injured. These are all possibilities.

    Does one not sign new quality players because there is some uncertainty involved in signings? No. That would be f***ing stupid. That would mean we would never have signed any of the players that have improved us over the years.

    Please make better arguments.

    This team as is will not win the league and will do nothing of note in the CL. And that is not good enough. Beating Lyon 6-0 in preseason is meaningless if we do nothing of note in the league or the CL.

  8. tunnygriffboy

    Gunnergetyou

    Difficult for Ramsey to find consistency. Beginning season we played 4-1-4-1 and he looked lost. After that he was in and out due to injury and struggled to get anyrrhythm

    Bamford

    Play nice. Less abuse diolch yn fawr 🙂

  9. Marko

    Bam honestly your Giroud hate filled posts are getting tiresome now. We get it you think he’s shite and 99% of fans agree we need a better striker brought in instead of him. Also to slag off Wilson or whatever his name is cause he’s constantly being annoying with all his Wenger love is a bit rich when you’re the same with your constant hate of Giroud

  10. Marko

    I like Sanchez but for me he’s not first choice because at his worst he is a downright liability in terms of linking play in the final third.

    A guy who scored 25 goals last season is a liability in the final third? No offense intended Paulinho but you haven’t a single clue mate

  11. TitsMcGee

    Nice treat for the fans but pretty meaningless.

    Pedro compete for the title? Do me a favor.

    3rd /4th unless Wenger pulls his finger out. The signing of Cech was great but as it stands does nothing other than keep our heads above water in the arms race. Chelsea City and especially UTD have/will made/make additions so 1 player will not make up the 10 point gap. Wenger forgets that other teams buy players too.

    One injury to Coq away from being right back to square one. Wenger either through frugality or misplaced loyalty to Coq (not wanting to interrupt his development ) is sinking any title hopes before the season even starts. Ironically will be the first to point to Coq ‘s inevitable injury as why we fell short in the title bid. A sentiment that will be echoed by the same AKBS that are supporting his decision to not reinforce the position now.

  12. Bamford10

    Marko

    Is Giroud still here? Is Wenger thinking of keeping him as our #1?

    Then I’ll keep hammering him. Thanks for your input, though.

  13. qna

    If United do sell Di Maria and end up losing De Gea. (And do not steal a march in us for Lewi/Benz/Reus), then I think they would have had an awful summer.

    Well done to Ferrari and Red Bull.

  14. Paulinho

    Marko – You’re probably the dullest person on here. Literally bring zero insight or anything remotely interesting to the discussion.

    Not very bright either: Scoring 25 goals has nothing to do with ‘linking play’.

  15. Marko

    Yeah but why keep hammering though Bam? It’s pretty silly all the same when you consider even if we bring in a striker he’ll still be here and for a guy who basically guarantees you 15-20 goals a season he’s not completely shit. Even if Benz comes in he’ll still get plenty of game time.

  16. TitsMcGee

    And do not steal a march in us for Lewi/Benz/Reus)”

    I think people need to wake up and smell the coffee.

    Reusable just signed an extension so unless Wenger is willing to drop €50 million(chuckles) on him you can forget it.

    Lewandowski? Wasting your breath.

    Benz? Contingent on RM buying a top striker and having to shift him at the last second. (Ala Ozil when they bought Bale).

  17. Marko

    Paulinho mate you said Sanchez shouldn’t be first choice and is a liability and I suppose I’m the idiot

  18. Mark

    We will not win the title for 3 reasons

    1.Mourinho
    2.Wenger
    3.Giroud

    4th place beckons unless we bring in a top class striker.Not Giroud Welbeck and Wally Walnutt

  19. qna

    Tits. Ok fair enough mate. Then let me rephrase. If united dont sign Benz/Reus/Lewi and lose Di Maria and De Gea then they have had a shit summer in my opinion. Have to enjoy small pleasures in life when/if they occur.

  20. Klauspoppe

    Paulinho

    I’m hoping Sanchez improves his teamwork this season.

    Only flaw in his game is how he dribbles longer than he should and doesn’t look up when he dribbles to pick out the right pass when the team is making a break.

    Benz and Lewa are special as how top class they are linking play and scoring goals.

  21. Paulinho

    Klaus – Agree. That’s how one distinguishes top class from the rung below; which is very good but flawed.

    Barca upgraded Sanchez for a reason.

  22. Marko

    Listen Paulinho you’re not talking yourself out of this one. I’m not debating with someone who wants to drop our best player who scored 25 goals last season cause he thinks his link up play isn’t up to scratch. You haven’t a clue.

  23. qna

    Fucking lay off Sanchez fuckers. Most players we give a season to adjust to the league and especially thr specific/unique style that Arsenal plays. He has had the most incredible 1st season you could ask for. His tenacity off tye ball set a new standard at the club and I am sure it infected the team positively. This season if he simply repeats what he did last season we will be lucky.

  24. TitsMcGee

    Sanchez is top quality. Scores goals that other players in our squad could only dream of. He’s exactly what we’ve been missing

  25. Paulinho

    Marko – Talk myself out of what, your embarrassingly simplistic ‘tabloid’ interpretation of my comments?

  26. kel

    Pedro, what are u basing arsenal’s challenge on ??? Some games inAsia against weak teams? And now the EC where we played to two worst teams of the three? The spanish club would have given us a better marker lyon are pisspoor and wolfsburg no different but i guess wenger wants to give false hope
    I have been here before Arsenal need a top class striker and the more goals we score the more wenger will feel we are ok. Wenger cant even finish second in 10 years and we expect him to win dis league, get ur hopes up and fall flat on ur face

  27. MeGunner

    Klauspoppe,

    You summarised Sanchez’ weakness very well but am sure everyone already knows that except those who think he’s a liabilty. smh

  28. Marko

    Klaus – Agree. That’s how one distinguishes top class from the rung below; which is very good but flawed.Barca upgraded Sanchez for a reason.

    That’s not the argument here and you know it. The argument is you stupidly suggested we should drop Sanchez to second choice because his linkup play is questionable which is beyond stupid stuff really. And to suggest Barcelona selling him for anything other than they needed to balance the books is silly too. Also we’re not Barca so to suggest he wasn’t good enough for them so he shouldn’t be good enough for us is again silly

  29. Klauspoppe

    Paulinho

    Disagree there. Sanchez was world class last season.

    Barca needed a CF that can link play and that was Suarez. Messi was shifted to the right and is definitely an upgrade on Sanchez in that position, nothing can be done there.

    Sanchez is our second striker out on the wing that shifts in. The team isn’t relying on every player to be identical in skillset anymore. Sanchez offers us the goalthreat with Giroud linking play as the post player.

    To balance play we saw Sanchez on one wing with a midfielder on the other e.g. Ramsey, Ox or Wilshere. Pretty risky and linear to play two wide strikers e.g. Walcott and Sanchez on each wing.

  30. Marko

    Marko – Talk myself out of what, your embarrassingly simplistic ‘tabloid’ interpretation of my comments?

    Oh my god you’re incredible

  31. Paulinho

    Marko – Go on, you’re getting there. Was there something about playing at home and away as well?

  32. Bamford10

    Looks like Walcott is the CF today. Wilshere, Bellerin, Arteta to start as well.

    Bendtner (!), Klose and De Bruyne on the other side.

  33. Relieable sauce

    beIN sports have claimed Guardiola has agreed to join Man City next season, according to BBC.
    :’-(

  34. GoonerDNA

    Dropping Sanchez for better link up play is like getting your girlfriend pregnant to save on condoms.

  35. London gunner

    “A guy who scored 25 goals last season is a liability in the final third? No offense intended Paulinho but you haven’t a single clue mate”

    Agree!

    what the dunce fails to account for that this was only sanchez’s first season he is still adjusting to the team, the league and the language. Yes he is to selfish, but let’s not act like this is something he can’t work on.

    I imagine he will in fact, but I can’t really blame him for being selfish as compared to Barcelona he is very much the big fish now as the pool is substantially smaller.

  36. gunnergetyou

    Yeah I’d say Sanchez is the least of our problems. I think his goal output last season more than made up for his lack of discipline in possession. Hopefully that’s something he can improve upon as he gets more used to his teammates.

  37. Klauspoppe

    Paulinho

    To grasp where you are coming from re:Sanchez as a liability.

    Are you inclined towards a specific football system a team employs and fill in positions according to the needs of the system?

    Or are you more keen on having a core of world class talent and finding the right balance for these players’ needs?

  38. MeGunner

    Barcelona upgraded on Fabregas for a reason. Yeah, makes perfect sense. Fabregas is a liability to Chelsea cos he doesn’t track back. Making my own stuff up here

  39. Marko

    Klaus thing is Barca didn’t get rid of Sanchez and bring in Suarez because one player has better link up play than the other it was purely down to him becoming available and with massive clubs like that marquee statements are made regularly. It could of so easily of been Pedro over Sanchez that joined us but Pedro’s a Barca lad so he stayed and thank God for that

  40. Marko

    Good one goonerdna.

    Honestly Paulinho just answer me didn’t you suggest we drop Sanchez to second choice because his link up play isn’t up to scratch according to you? Simple question. You can bring up stats about his goal scoring away from home (you can do that with everyone too) but it doesn’t change the fact your original statement was all kinds of wrong

  41. Paulinho

    Klaus – I like multi-dimensional footballers. Look at Suarez and Neymar; two adaptable well rounded footballers that ticks boxes in all departments and can slow the game or speed it up when the occasion demands. Sanchez has one gear; it’s all out or nothing. This manifests itself in lacking the subtlety needed in combination play; the like of which we see when Ramsey and Ozil link up. He’s the type of player that cuts out ball intended for someone else because he’s so intense all the time.

  42. Klauspoppe

    Marko

    Best thing Barca did was bring in Suarez and release Sanchez.

    Barca had the a similar problem we have of surplus to requirements of in a specific position.

    Messi’s best position is on the right, but they didn’t have someone to play central. With Suarez available and their target, Messi can be played on the right again and Sanchez becomes surplus. Pedro has great impact as a sub and is much more consistent than Sanchez was for Barca.

    Sanchez like Cesc shines when he dictates play to his natural tendencies. Barca needed players to play for Messi and Sanchez didn’t fit into that system.

    Don’t understand your view on Pedro though. The guy is amazing and extremely intelligent with his movements.

  43. gunnergetyou

    “beIN sports have claimed Guardiola has agreed to join Man City next season, according to BBC.”

    This follows a week where Gazidis and Wenger soften us up for the possibility that Wenger’s in it for the long hall.

    He then questions the integrity of his own board in regards to the £200m in the bank.

  44. London gunner

    Paulinho

    Hazard goal scoring and Assists record is even worse than sanchez away from home… It’s not an uncommon phenomenon for players to have tougher away games.

    Hazard’s last 11 goals have been at the bridge..

  45. Relieable sauce

    Never on the cards though with Stan & Ivan…Klopp is probably too ambitious for us as well.
    No…Wenger it is for at least 2 more years, then Remi fucking Garde.

  46. Paulinho

    Marko – Yep, I already said that. Do you want me to repeat it for your sake?

    Yep “all kinds of wrong” for a simpleton like you.

  47. Nasri's Mouth

    Sanchez might not be perfect. His dribbling needs some improvement and his desire to get on the ball means he often drops too deep where he’s not as his most effective, but overall he was superb for us last season and a really important facet of our pressing game.

    How many managers would prefer to see him on the subs bench rather than starting for us ?

    Probably all of ’em

  48. Paulinho

    London – Sanchez is poor in nearly every department away from home. Dribbling is non-existent. It’s not just about goals.

    Only aspect which is consistent from him is his work rate.

  49. Klauspoppe

    Paulinho

    I think that’s one aspect he can definitely improve playing for us, which wasn’t possible at Barca.

    At Barca, the team’s shape and movement adjusts to Messi’s. With us I’m sure the plays will adjust more freely and in some instances specifically for him. But for this to happen I would like to see play less focused on him with the ball as we have Ozil, Cazorla, Ox, Wilshere and Ramsey to hold possession and see Sanchez making more active runs.

    Wenger is obviously keen to adopt a pressing game once again and we’ll see more pressing with faster transitions. This will definitely suit Sanchez. Wouldn’t surprised if this IS for Sanchez.

  50. Marko

    Klaus I like Pedro too I was just saying at the time we were trying to sign Sanchez it could of so easily of been Pedro cause Barca needed rid of one of them and we ended up with Sanchez thankfully cause Pedro is from there. I say thankfully cause Sanchez is a bigger goal threat than Pedro.

    Paulinho I’m officially not arguing with you cause you’re too much for me. You win we should drop Sanchez cause he’s not good enough for our first team

  51. Paulinho

    “But for this to happen I would like to see play less focused on him with the ball as we have Ozil, Cazorla, Ox, Wilshere and Ramsey to hold possession and see Sanchez making more active runs.”

    He needs to show a bit more balls in certain instances. Alot of time (away from home) he’s all bark and no bite.

    Remember against Chelsea away at Stamford Bridge he made a run in behind and made a mess of his control. I’m not sure he backs himself to run in behind and actually finish the job if someone finds him. (Again, all this seems a lot more apparent away from home).

  52. London gunner

    Paulinho

    If you look at the raw components he has everything to be a success away from home.

    This isn’t walcott or Welbeck a players hindered by lack of real skill or technique. His mistakes come from his attitude rather than being below a level of skill than the other great players.

    From what I mean is in terms of ball control, trickery, invention, execution of how he strikes a ball to pass or shoot he is elite. Couple that with his athleticism his pace strength and stamina he is our best player. His real weakness isn’t foolish statements like Ramsey is better, but rather his attitude and mentality of going it alone doing it all by himself actually hinders his full potential.

    Funny enough the same can be said of Ramsey last season. I think at Barcelona he was always the outsider and outcaste thinking on individualistic terms in a very collective team.

    With wenger I hope he is welcomed into the family so to speak and those bonds of communicaton and trust are wrought between him and the team.

  53. underrated Coq

    Sanchez is an athletic, finisher type player. He gets criticized because he isn’t as good at linking up play. While Giroud– who is a target man, link-up type player– gets criticized because he doesn’t finish moves efficiently.

    Coquelin is a pure destroyer. He is more brawny than brainy and he gets criticized for not doing enough in posession. While Arteta– who is more brainy than brawny– gets criticism for not being good enough defensively.

    People are obsessed with the idea of a ‘complete’ player. They want someone— who can dribble, run, defend, shoot, pass ( short and long range mind you ), score, link up play— the ‘Hybrid’ player and they want 11 of these hybrid players. Specialist players are no longer appreciated.

    Thankfully, in reality, football is a team game. And the way of creating a great team is by finding players who complement each others’ strengths and weaknesses.

  54. Klauspoppe

    Paulinho

    As Nasri Mouth pointed out( “desire to get on the ball means he often drops too deep where he’s not as his most effective”) he’s not very effective when making his way from deep.

    When we were playing away last season, we played really conservatively and trying to hold shape. With the lack of pressing and winning the ball early, we would retrieve the ball deep in our half and play long balls. We didn’t have Giroud for these long balls and were going nowhere. Sanchez moved deep to spark any play but again he is better using his work rate for movements off the ball.

    Btw is dribbling technique is top class. Very nice close control when dribbling at top speed.

  55. Nasri's Mouth

    It’s also going to be interesting to see how Chambers and Gabriel work together.

    I wonder if there’s anything to read into the two choices of pairings

  56. Paulinho

    “From what I mean is in terms of ball control, trickery, invention, execution of how he strikes a ball to pass or shoot he is elite. ”

    Disagree strongly. Think he’s very predictable. Drop to the left, cut in, shoot or pass. Rarely a danger down his left side due to being very one-footed in every sense such as balance etc. Messi for example he can go both ways easily.

    His mentality is just him as a player. That’s how he sees the game. You try and make him less selfish and you dilute the strengths that got him where he is.

  57. Rosicky@Arsenal

    Underrated

    Nice post

    Fully agree people want to see complete player. I think there have been very few complete players ala Stefano Pele and cruyff

  58. jasongms

    Saying that Barcelona sold Alexis because he was deficient in some way is redundant , Barca also sold Maradona . It is possible for what ever reason that some players just dont fit the bill’ , doesn’t make them less of a talent .
    ____________

    Also not signing a DM to compliment le Coq’ will more than likely prove the death knell of the season. Thinking that Coquelin will be able to play out the entire season is madness and a risk that Arsene doesn’t need to make.
    Relying on Arteta to stop gap the so called less important games or even giving Jack a go there is just so Arsene and one of the reason many feel that we will never win the league with him in charge. Like one poster said ‘ an injury to coq and we’re back to square one’.
    ________

    Don’t know what others felt but watching the few times Lacazette got the ball yesterday showed enough class to think that he’d be a massive upgrade on what we currently have up front.
    Obviously reus would be the ideal player to bring in tho

  59. karim

    London

    Instead of shouting at me, why won’t you just accept the fact that Beauvue, Bisevac, Jallet, Bedimo are 4 important players and that they didn’t play.

    Playing 2 full backs with 0 pro games was kind of suicidal too.

    I do accept Lyon were humiliated, but don’t start making up things.

    I don’t defend France at every opportunity, I just put things into perspective.

    Moreover, you are the one obsessed with France as your comments on the tennis confirmed last week.

    Cheers.

  60. Klauspoppe

    “Thankfully, in reality, football is a team game. And the way of creating a great team is by finding players who complement each others’ strengths and weaknesses.”

    Problem is if every position is a ‘plus/minus’ to complement each other, we’ll lack productivity. We’re using up two positions in Giroud and Walcott when one Benz or Lewa will give us both attributes. A Busquets will give us what Cazorla and Coquelin provide.

    Yes it is a team game but it is also a game of 11 players.

  61. Nasri's Mouth

    @underated coq

    People always want a complete player because he’s worth more than 1 player alone.

    EG.I’m a very big fan of Coq as a ‘destroyer’, but he needed someone like Cazorla next to him to make up for his possession play deficiencies. Probably means that Coq and Ramsey don’t quite work (yet). If he could improve the rest of his game it would give us more options in the middle, AND improve the speed of how we move from defence into offence.

  62. underrated Coq

    I’m in no way defending Arteta btw. I realize age is his main weakness now and that can’t be solved. We need another competent CDM.

    Anyway, Is the time of kick-off ( for the Arsenal game) same as yesterday ?

  63. Nasri's Mouth

    jasongms: Don’t know what others felt but watching the few times Lacazette got the ball yesterday showed enough class to think that he’d be a massive upgrade on what we currently have up front.

    Really ? Wow. Based on yesterday alone, Lacazette looked poor.

  64. Arsene's Nurse

    Looks like we are setting up this way today:

    Cech
    Bellerin Gabriel Chambers Monreal
    Arteta Santi
    Reine-Adelaide Ozil Wilshire
    Walcott

    This young Reine-Adelaide is highly rated by Wenger. He can plays as a CF too so i wonder if he’ll swap with Walcott now and again. Cetainly one to have a look at today.

    Interesting to see how the 2 CBs pair together too.

  65. London gunner

    “Disagree strongly. Think he’s very predictable. Drop to the left, cut in, shoot or pass”

    If he is so predictable why can’t he be stopped?

    Sorry the fact he is one footed doesn’t mean he isn’t technicall very very good.

    Robben, ozil and silva are one footed players…

    Of course if he was less selfish he could still be a real force. Your thinking in extremes when it’s not a matter of black abnd whites but shades of grey.

    Case point if he isn’t self lush enough he loses that game changer, self creating goal scoring impact, but if he is to selfish he can’t function in the team, but it’s not either or, it’s about balance.

    There were signs of that balance last year, I suggest you keep your eyes open and try to view the game in a an objective reality based way, rather than let your bias and stereotyping paint a characterture of players like sanchez and Cazorla.

  66. Klauspoppe

    “Fully agree people want to see complete player. I think there have been very few complete players ala Stefano Pele and cruyff”

    You missed Beckenbauer, Ruud Gullit, Rijkaard who are closer to the most complete footballer in history than Stefano and Pele.

    In modern football, Busquets, Xabi Alonso, Yaya, Vieira, Rooney, Messi, Javi Martinez, Lahm are pretty complete when able to play variety of positions and offer different attributes at the level of a specialist.

  67. Paulinho

    “There were signs of that balance last year, I suggest you keep your eyes open and try to view the game in a an objective reality based way, rather than let your bias and stereotyping paint a characterture of players like sanchez and Cazorla.”

    I would strongly suggest you do the same.

    Oh, he can very stopped very, very easily away from home. We’ll likely see more evidence of that this year again, because those flaws – more apparent when he feels less confident and doesn’t have the crowed willing him on – ain’t going way anytime soon.

  68. jasongms

    Nasri’s Mouth

    After about 30 mins the whole team looked poor ( fitness ?) But yeah I get the impression that there is definitely something more to come from Lacazette.

  69. Klauspoppe

    Lucas Moura had a breakthrough season last season.

    I always saw him as a dim speed demon but his decision making and efficiency with his amazing skills was great. Hopefully Ox has a similar season this year.

    And he’s a hard worker too with his defensive contribution.

  70. tunnygriffboy

    Ozil starting ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

    Rene – Adelaide. Will watch with interest.

    Big test Gabriel and Chambers, playing without experience of Per and Kos

    What formation we playing in midfield ?

  71. Berg

    Some of you on here need a reality check. Sanchez not being a first 11 and Ramsay to start ahead of him?!!!!

  72. Nasri's Mouth

    @jasongms

    He’s had a very good season, though not as good as some are suggesting (lots of his goals are penalties, quality of the league etc.) but he struggled yesterday I thought.

    I think there’s an element of people wanting a shiny new thing with Lacazette. I’d prefer him to Giroud, but not a massive upgrade for me

  73. Rosicky@Arsenal

    Kaluspope

    I agree re Backenbauer but i dont agree re Gullit and Rijkard. I think Zidane was bettter than both .

    Also Alferdo di Stefano is regarded as the most complete player by experts on football.

    However i rate Cruyff as the most talented as well.

  74. bob

    have barcelona at any point made a official bid for ramsey??? or man city have they made a official bid for wilshere??? the thing is no one wants over hype english crap

  75. Paulinho

    Red –

    Ramsey – Consistency. Linked to his physical state, Has periods where he moves like a carthorse. Can also be leaden-footed

    Wilshere – Stay fit and if fit stay deep and concentrate on the breaking the lines from deep. Shift the ball on to more adept final third players after that.

    Wally – Stay fit really. Always will be limited though.

    Giroud – Not good enough full stop.

    Cazorla – Again limited physically but try and to retreat so quickly under pressure because it leads to him being too deep and overly passive. He needs to be on the front foot and pro-active.

  76. tunnygriffboy

    Got to say that David James is from the same school of c.ntary/tw.tary as Michael Owen. So totally Anti Arsenal. Glad he went bankrupt f.cking d.ldo. ! !

    Got to say, if Pep going to City next year then they will need another revamp of the squad. The older players will just love high octane pressing.

  77. underrated Coq

    Klaus, NM

    Yeah, you make good points. But I think there are very few of those types of players. The chances of Arsenal being able to sign them is extremely low.

    The problem with the players who we are linked to is that they come with weaknesses of their own too. Look at Schneiderlin for example. He’s a tidy player who can do both the DM and CM roles competently. BUT is he as good a CM as Cazorla/Ramsey ? Will he be as effective a DM as Coquelin was last season?

    Personally I prefer specialist players over jack of all trades and master of none type players. Its why I prefer Theo over Welbz too.

  78. Bamford10

    “Specialist players are no longer appreciated. Thankfully, in reality, football is a team game.”

    Complete nonsense. All of the best teams in the world have XI’s filled with “complete” players. The players in question aren’t “specialists” — they’re players with limitations. In some cases, severe limitations.

    If you want to compete with the best in the world, you need “complete” players at every position. It isn’t 1985. The game has moved on.

  79. Nasri's Mouth

    underated coq: But I think there are very few of those types of players.

    Indeed, that’s why they’re so valued and so important to a side.

    Cazorla last season was probably an example for us. Good defensively alongside Coq, Good in control of the ball, and good creating too. Was a bit of a revelation really, didn’t realise he had that defensive side to his game.

  80. Klauspoppe

    Underratedcoq

    Re:Schneiderlin, Ramsey and Cazorla are much better as CM with their distribution and dribbling.

    Disagree on him being a specialist destroyer for us. When Southampton rejoined top flight football, Schneiderlin was playing a more subdued role, cleaning play in front of the defence and was leading in all defensive stats in Europe. He adopted more responsibilities last 2 seasons in contributing to linking play as his distribution is very good.

  81. Nasri's Mouth

    Bamford10: Complete nonsense. All of the best teams in the world have XI’s filled with “complete” players.

    No, they’re not.

  82. Bamford10

    NM

    Name the players with Coquelin- or Giroud-level limitations in any of the best six teams in the world.

  83. jasongms

    Relying on Giroud (only truly recognized striker) , Walcott ( that has never really been tested at this level as a striker ) and Welbeck ( injury prone and fitness concerns , also never been tested leading the line over an extended period of time ) is just bizarre . Basically we are an injury away from having Walcott as the number one striker and that doesnt fill me with any lasting confidence.

  84. Paulinho

    Red – Ability wise he has everything IMO. Although since the injury he has lost a bit of that fleet footed ability he had as a youngster. We see it in glimpses but not consistently. Before he could dribble almost as a lefty at times and that seems to have gone.

    Big season for him. This is the season where we can really judge him.

  85. tunnygriffboy

    Irrespective of Alexis dribbling, combination play etc ……..

    His desire and attitude has seemed to rub of on the others. Ox has talked about. It has made others up their game as much as anything else. Great signing.

  86. underrated Coq

    Bamford10

    ” Complete nonsense. All of the best teams in the world have XI’s filled with “complete” players. ”

    You can’t be serious. Every player in the world have their own strengths and weaknesses. The ‘complete players’ that you speak of are few and far between.

    And I don’t think Barca won the treble because they had 11 ‘complete’ players on the pitch all the time.

  87. Nasri's Mouth

    @Bamford10

    LOL, what’s that got to do with your stupid comment about the top teams being full of ‘complete’ players ?

    They’re full of very very good players, but complete players are a rarity. I think you’re getting confused

  88. gonsterous

    who is this adelaide chap ?? I thought we bought back that french chap Jeremy aliadiere who was shit !!!

  89. izzo

    we are now facing quality opposition in Wolfsburg they look sharp I dont get this team selection arteta wilshere cazorla is wrong midfield picking ozil on the left again Wenger better not use this in the season

  90. Klauspoppe

    Wolfsburg done their hw.

    Shifting play wide to put crosses in to take advantage of experimentative CB pairing , short fullbacks and Cech’s weakness to crosses.

  91. Bamford10

    No, that’s what I mean by “complete” player. No serious limitations.

    We’re not talking about a Beckenbauer. Our complaint re a Giroud or a Coquelin is not that they’re not a Beckenbauer. Obviously. The complaint is that they’re not even a complete version of their modern quality counterpart. Giroud no pace. Coquelin too little polish on the ball.

    Nothing to do with the few great “complete” players in footballing history.

    Nice try, though.

  92. Nasri's Mouth

    @paulinho

    We always look a little lost when we’re not playing our 1st choice 11 or close to it. Takes a while for the players to gel when there’s lots of changes. I’d imagine a goal helps the players relax into their game.

  93. Bamford10

    No, we’re talking about players with serious limitations versus players without. You’re just muddling the issue.

    And Wolfsburg continue to dominate, btw.