Are we going to ship out two keepers?

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Someone asked me earlier on what my thoughts were on Liverpool’s new signing?

I said, ‘Fir-mi-no’

How about that for some ‘hit for six’ banter in the AM?

You loved it. Don’t pretend you won’t be dropping that joke in your Football Whatsapp group.

Se we had another smattering of ‘CECH DEAL DUN’ yesterday, but still no news on the Arsenal.com, and as you know, if you’re a real bore, you’ll constantly be telling people you won’t believe anything until it’s on the main site.

HAVE SOME FUN. LIVE A LITTLE. CLICK A BIT OF LINK BAIT YOU SALMON.

Bask in the unofficialness of it all.

Anyway, I think I raved pretty hard about Petr Cech yesterday. There are few people upset that Chezzer isn’t getting a fair crack. The people who truly believed he’d be the best keeper in the world (and probably told a few people they didn’t get football if they didn’t understand Denilson’s value) and that it was only his attitude keeping him rooted to the bottom of the save percentage league for keepers who have played over 50 games.

On the Pole. He looks like he could be a good keeper, but the reality is, he’s really not. He had the same remarkable skill Almunia had in being able to make ineptness look like bad luck. I think the reality of Chezzer and Ospina is this… the team in front have done a fantastic job two seasons in a row in making Chezzer the golden glove despite not ever really showing for it, and making Ospina look acceptable between the sticks.

Imagine how good we’ll be when we have a keeper than can actually dig us out some points?

Another thing you have to consider is his attitude. The fans aren’t too keen on him and nor are people who work with him at home and internationally. He’s not a hugely popular figure. I was told a few seasons back he and a previous captain had a dust up over his LIFO attitude to training (last in first out). Then you factor in the selfies, the cross bar challenge antics at half time against Monaco, the smoking in the changing room, he’s dad digging out Mertesacker, the smoking at the FA Cup, the smoking on the jeep outside his flat, the average performances… I mean, it’s hard to say he’s not made it extremely difficult to believe we’ve all got it wrong?

I don’t think he’s been helped by having a keeping coach we all know is substandard.

Can’t believe @Arsenal have let @Keepersworld Tony Roberts go!!! #bestcoachbyamilethere!!

— David Seaman (@thedavidseaman) June 18, 2015

Good to see Big Dave saying what we’ve told you for a while here. Gerry Peyton still at the club. Part of the fraternity. Well, at least he’ll be marginalised this season. Writing is on the wall though.

Charity Shield will have a bit of extra spice, wont it?

Yes it will.

What else is going on in the world of ‘OMG that’s hilarious?’… how about Harry Redknapp doing a piece with Guardian?

The only bit worth entertaining is this…

“Unless you’re Arsène Wenger and have real control of the club, agents will go directly above the manager. If they have an issue with one of their players, they’ll go to the chairman: ‘Oh your manager is an idiot because he’s not playing my player’. That’s how it’s gone.”

POWER. I mean, really, it is a sorry state of affairs how it is in the game at the moment. It’s quite clear that Tony Fernandes just wants to manage the team himself. And hey, why not? Stick a stooge in and run things. After all, it’s his money! If you can’t have fun with it, what’s the damn point?

Another interesting story brewing in the background is the Ramos one at Real Madrid. The 29 year old appears to be on the way out of there after falling out of favour with Perez. This read here is interesting because you realise what a total farce it is over there. It’s run more like a defunct political party than a world class football establishment. It’s amazing how they succeed financially by being so groteque.

Anyway, at 29, he’s probably not worth it. It is worth mentioning we went in hard for him a few seasons ago when he was having issues with Jose Mourinho.

One to watch is announcement of the Laporta / Abidal campaign for the presidency. I sincerely hope there aren’t any Arsenal players looped into the major promises they normally dish out during these runs.

You know what is a bit sad, and I’ve written about this before… the race for page views via transfer stories.

Now, I get that publishing houses need views to make money, but for me, that whole approach is totally flawed anyway and marketeers are going to catch onto that soon enough.

Here’s are the things you need to consider as a publisher.

1. If you’re chasing page views, you’re chasing the wrong metric, because anyone can get page views through work that isn’t credible. Publishing is about creating work that is meaningful. Sure, you’re always bring in a certain type of fan with the durge, but the job of content is create a connection. To create a relationship with your audience in some way shape or form… dependent on what your brand is about.

2. The Holy Grail of publishing is to become a destination website. Somewhere people land in their morning run of websites. Buzzfeed is a destination, The Guardian are a destination, Le Grove, on a small scale still manages to be a destination for a lot of people… how many of those shit peddling website earn a direct visit from you? Very few.

3. You can chase a read, but if someone lands on that read and it’s a round up of other nonsense and they’re disappointed, chances are, they’re not going to hang on your destination and visit other pages.

So this desperate chase misguided news sites are involved in generally occurs because in dying business models, the people at the top are looking at the wrong metrics and destroying their brand in the process.

The solution to low traffic can never be to lower your values.

Buzzfeed have it nailed because you don’t buy advertising space around the side of the site, you buy a news story (native advertising) that blends in with the rest of the content (and you buy it up front). The only reason they can do that is because you generally know what you’ll get there. ’10 moments Kim Kardashian at an Apple perfectly’ will deliver on your expectations as a reader. You know that they connect with what you want in that moment, so you’ll explore ten or so pages. So advertisers content blends in, and often does better than normal content because it’s part of the story, not an interrupter around it (banner ads).

Even The Daily Mail get this. They create stories that rile you, but they don’t tend to engage in too much utter drivel with transfers (if it is, at least it feels original), they know, if they want to keep you on that site, they have to rile you… and they do it incredible well and in the process, make themselves a destination.

As archaic advertising models evolve, I’d imagine these pissy sites that peddle increasingly absurd stories will begin to die… because sites like Medium are charging on consumer time on site over page views. Quality over someone just dropping in and out with zero context.

Anyway, there’s my little piece on the state of digital publishing.

P.S. We signed the Romanian under 16 captain. WOO!

 

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  1. Romford Ozil Pele

    Non-Arsenal related but good interview here with Rio quizzing Stevie G: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3136408/Steven-Gerrard-Q-Rio-Ferdinand-departing-legend-kissing-camera-Manchester-United-snubbing-Jose-Mourinho-Liverpool-blew-title.html

    People don’t talk about Rio much but in his prime he was a joke. Ridiculously good defender. Could play in an attacking or defensive set-up seamlessly. That’s why for me he was better than JT.

  2. Blsany

    Rop
    Loz to firmino joke.
    yeah i agree with you on Ferdinand being better than JT.Jt is a class defender but his achilles his mobility.Shame you guys had shit GK when those two were playing together for England.

  3. gambon

    Rio was an outstanding player. Best CB in PL history IMO (With Mr Arsenal, Sol and JT all close behind)

    The fact that he cost £30m, back when £30m was a huge amount, and he can only be described as value for money, says it all really.

  4. Romford Ozil Pele

    “Rio was an outstanding player. Best CB in PL history IMO (With Mr Arsenal, Sol and JT all close behind)”

    Yeah agreed.

    Back then Rio & Rooney went for massive money. Both were young at the time but nobody could argue that both were worthwhile investments.

  5. salparadisenyc

    Rio was whole different animal as a CB, had it all. A new breed, but Adams will always take the prize for me. Bias surely plays a part.

    That said Jaap Stam was such a beast, daunting as they come. Was surprised Fergie sold him when he did, had he stayed in the league longer he’d potentially be in the conversation.

  6. gambon

    Yeah sal,

    I always find it funny when people talk about Thierry, DB10 and Vieira but not about Tony Adams.

    He is right up there as our best ever.

    The best captain ive ever seen bar none.

  7. relieable sauce

    Our squad depth flatters to decieve still, I cant believe people are quoting AOC, JW, TW, SG, AR etc as consistant, reliable squad members.
    Even the more robust players encounter fatigue & loss of form over a full season – Santi, OG.
    46-70 competitive games (not including Int’s & C shield) is what is needed from this squad & the numbers in MF dont add up well imo, not for the higher amount of games anyway.

    MF trio will need to be fit & firing for 138(disaster season) – 210 ish starts between them.

    Coq
    Ozil
    Rambo
    Santi
    JW

    AOC
    AS

    Beliek
    Zelalem
    Chambers

    Flamteta

    I dont like it 8-/

  8. Romford Ozil Pele

    I think RE Tony, it’s partly down to younger fans who may not remember him and also the fact he’s turned a bit senile as he’s gotten older. I also don’t like his sense of entitlement. He’s talking about being Arsenal manager when he has nothing to show why he should be.

    That said, I agree he’s Arsenal’s best ever captain. If i’m not mistaken, he’s still the only captain to win the league title in three different decades (1989, 1998, 2002). He was the original version of JT.

    Probably this:

    Henry
    DB10
    Adams
    Wright
    Paddy V

    There’s an argument that Wright should be thirds because of his goal return but Adams had a more transformational effect when he played IMO.

  9. salparadisenyc

    Always thought Adams would translate seamlessy to management and eventually become Arsene’s successor. Funny how that works.

    Have to love a one club man… from youth to retirement. Legendary begins to describe Adams, keep Stevie G, I’ll take Mr. Arsenal.

  10. Romford Ozil Pele

    The Stevie G interview was great. But let’s not pretend that if not for the Liverpool Mafia threatening his family, he’d have ended up playing for the rent boys.

  11. N5

    Corect RP, I think when TA went all biblical he put a few off. He’s a legend no doubt, but now days he’s fruity.

  12. vicky

    “Saints noise breaking out that a deal has been struck with Morgan, much in the same way Chambers story broke out last year”

    Any links ? I hope it’s us if the rumors are true.

  13. Paulinho

    I’d have Terry, Sol marginally ahead of Ferdinand.

    Ferdinand was well around, could read the game, play in any system etc, but there was a softness there and while he could clear the first one or two crosses, he was vulnerable on the third. Campbell, Terry, Adams were just unrelenting in that department and never switched off.

    Ferdinand needed Vidic to really shine. Before he joined and whenever he didn’t play Ferdinand looked vulnerable and shaky.

  14. Nasri's Mouth

    RP: and also the fact he’s turned a bit senile as he’s gotten older.

    Yah, seems an utter change of personality.

  15. N5

    Agreed Paulinho, I thought that the other day when someone on here said Rio was the greatest English defender. For me Terry edges it too. He’d be good regardless of his partner but as you said Rio looked far more assured when teamed with Vidic.

  16. DUIFG

    Great player rio, fantastic value, would loved to have seen him as a sweeper had GH been kept on as england manager and played him as he intended

  17. Paulinho

    N5 – Yeah, I remember those days around 05-11 and when Ferdinand was missing, Vidic could hold United’s together, but when Vidic went down their back four was all at sea Ferdinand didn’t have the same presence or organisation skills.

    I’ve always been more of a fan of the Terry type than Ferdinand so maybe a tad biased. I always thought Vidic had the perfect balance at his peak. 60% holding position and being solid and consistent, and 40 % mobility to cover full backs out wide. Ferdinand was the other way round.

  18. Willow Wilson

    Wallace
    “qna, you missed my point. you implied Barca should take the credit for Bellerin. i’m saying not many brilliant 16yr olds develop into brilliant 20yr olds. Arsenal and Wenger deserve a lot of credit for Bellerin.”

    This.

    Yes, Barcelona deserve credit for developing the lad. But there is a huge step up from academy football to top flight. These lads are apprentices at the end of the day still learning the game. If Barca had rated him as highly as we did, they may not have let him leave.

    There is no doubt that Bellerins development has continued at Arsenal. Would he have developed at the same rate at Barca, who knows. But what we do know, is that the lad looks a great player and has matured after a nervy start. The Manager and the coaching staff deserve credit for that, however much it pains.

    Fans need to stop believing it is easy to determine the quality of a player and how they will perform. How many academy players make it to the top? The answer is relatively few. Its a lottery. I have some experience of the academy system and most of the stories you hear are about disappointments. Players who were great prospects but for one reason or another don’t fulfil the potential.

    Wenger will at least take a punt. They wont all work out but some do. Wenger knows those that don’t work out will be blamed on him and those that do will be accredited somewhere else. All managers know this.

    Romford made a good point. How many elite players are there? Now you would expect that if you go to the elite level, you are going to get guaranteed quality. The chances will improve. However, all signings contain a risk. Fans who think you spend £30m plus and you are guaranteed quality are confusing reality with what they see on their games consoles. There are lots of factors.

    As a destination, you have to say the two Spanish clubs are going to be the main choice. The weather and lifestyle is a draw, especially for players bought up in sunnier climbs. South American players are naturally drawn to Spain.

    Money is a factor too. While Chelsea and City were throwing cash like confetti they could drawer top players. But would a Messi, Neymar etc choose to come to England? Not so sure.

    So any signing is a gamble. Whether a kid, an academy player or a top name. There are lots of factors that contribute to them performing , there is no given. A lot of that is down to their application, implementing their style of play into a system that suits them and the patience shown by the club they join. It is not as easy as some fans seem to think.

  19. Nasri's Mouth

    Vicky: Any links ? I hope it’s us if the rumors are true.

    Seems to be coming from a Southampton fc fans forum

  20. N5

    100% agreed Paulinho. Vidic was so so so important to Manure back then and it’s easy to forget just how good a player he was. It shames me to side with Terry being that he’s such a vile man, but he is what he is and that is probably the best English CB.

    Urggghh, I must go and purge now!!

    Anyway, best transfer puns so far:

    Pedro: Not Fir-me-no
    Romford: You Petr Cech yourself.

  21. Willow Wilson

    Romford
    For me, Frank Mclintock was the best captain we ever had. He was a real leader in days when football was a lot different than it is today. This was in the days when you only had one sub and you really had to support your team mates. If players were not performing, you couldn’t just sub them off. So you needed a leader and a motivator. When we won the double in 1971, it was when doubles were almost impossible to achieve.

    Tony was similar in his captain style (agree about the entitlement issue). He was also a leader in the Tuesday club, so that counts against him for me, lack of responsibility. Would Arsenal have achieved more had he not encouraged the all day drinking sessions, who knows.

    Times are changing, I think captaincy is more about calling the coin toss and doing the media responsibilities, back in the two above named days, it was a lot more football based.

    Both great captains though and Adams has more medals to show for it.

  22. Bamford10

    New Schneiderlin talk seems to be pure Twitter rumors. Has produced this gem from one wag, though:

    “Not mad on Schneiderlin, but sorts on here are suggesting Coq is better. Shame such vile opinions remain in our society.” – @BRTMerrill

  23. Jim Lahey

    Does this guy watch football?

    “I’m not entirely convinced by Schneiderlin, especially at £25m but I’d be delighted if it meant that Coquelin gets dropped.”

  24. Goondawg

    It’s quite unreliable, but the news does seem to stem from a Saints forum, but apparently this is how the Chambers story broke out. Supposedly a fee has been agreed with Arsenal.

  25. YoungMurphy

    Pedro which captain was Chezzer beefing with?

    Trying not to get too aggravated with the lack of transfer activity, but it seems like everything is hinging on this Cech deal . Still not massively panicked though by all the Liverpool signings. I have no opinion on any of them. Plus City, Chelsea and Utd haven’t really got going yet either.

  26. Goondawg

    Young Murphy you do know that the transfer window isn’t officially open yet

    Still got less than a week by my count

  27. Sam

    “It’s quite unreliable, but the news does seem to stem from a Saints forum, but apparently this is how the Chambers story broke out. Supposedly a fee has been agreed with Arsenal.”

    I doubt non of the big news agencies wouldn’t know about any movement for someone as sought after as Schneiderlin. Chambers was a fairly unknown entity so not massive news.

    Could easily see it as a prank by Saints fans.

    Also where do these ‘same place that first broke so and so’s transfer’ come from. We always just accept it for granted but I doubt anyone ever has it confirmed

  28. gambon

    Cech and Schneiderlin would be a brilliant start to the window.

    Would give us as good a defenisve unit as anyone.

    IMO we would be one goalscoring monster away from Chelsea.

  29. Nasri's Mouth

    Sam: Could easily see it as a prank by Saints fans.

    quite possibly 3 people just wanting to raise their profile by pretending to know.

    What’s interesting is how quickly it got picked up by Reddit and then by twiter.

    I guess if you wanted to check the chambers story, you’d search the so called ITKs previous posts to check

  30. Jim Lahey

    Mikael Silvestre: 5 Premier League Titles, 1 FA Cup, 1 League Cup, 1 Champions League.

    Is he the most decorated player to ever play for Arsenal?!

  31. karaul

    from southampton forum –

    Schneiderlin to Arsenal for about £25m.

    ” just been told by someone who I think would know. Said a deal has been agreed between the clubs. However, from what I can tell these days, that is just the start”

  32. karaul

    “The gooners on Twitter are linking to this exact thread as their evidence of a done deal too ffs!”

    haha..

  33. London gunner

    Was Sol actually crazy just thought suffered from depression?

    Which I find amazing.. Pay me 60k a week and I’d be walking around with a permeant smile on my face.

  34. Sam

    “What’s interesting is how quickly it got picked up by Reddit and then by twiter.”

    NM,

    It’s for this exact reason I don’t have or go on social media sites. Seem to whip fans into a frenzy so quickly and then everyone goes bonkers when we don’t sign players we were never interested in.

  35. Nasri's Mouth

    london gunner: Which I find amazing

    Depression is an illness, rich and poor people can suffer from it

  36. London gunner

    Why not Kramer for 8.5 mills?

    Not sure if it’s wise to spend 25 m plus on a back up player, especially as we have some crucial weaknesses at cf/rw

  37. gambon

    “Not sure if it’s wise to spend 25 m plus on a back up player”

    Erm, we spent £16m on Chambers, who is a rather average 4th choise CB.

    Schneiderlin is also a much better player than Coquelin, so would naturally start more games than Francis.

  38. London gunner

    NM

    I would understand poor people or people with poor health(old age)suffering from it due to negative state of life, but a successful, super rich and healthy person makes no sense tbh.

  39. karaul

    back up player? against some teams we should play with both , schneiderlin and coquelin.

    it´s not wise to have 1 good DM and 2 useless

  40. Jim Lahey

    @London – I believe there are a lot of factors that cause depression. One being on a chemical level, so it really wouldn’t matter how rich or successful he was, he could still have had pretty moderate depression.

  41. gambon

    agreed Karaul

    If you look at our midfield, we have one ultra-defensive DM, some good B2B players, some good technicians.

    There is clearly room for a defensive minded passer / recycler that isnt completely defensive.

  42. Namibian Gooner

    We should tie these Cech and MS deals up very soon then we can start hunting for a goal scorer of note. Though the options are very limited from where I am sitting. I am not sure we will sign an out and out striker

  43. London gunner

    Gambon

    Where did I agree with the chambers purchase?

    “Schneiderlin is also a much better player than Coquelin, so would naturally start more games than Francis.”

    I disagree. Coq is the better dm schneiderlin is(currently) a better cm. Coq is two years younger and has the best stats in the pl for his position. Expect his distribution to keep improving as it has done every game last season.

    Above and beyond that at arsenal we have a higher win rate with less possesion, you bring schniederlin in the team we start playing the pure unadulteratedly boring tepid and ineffective football we played with arteta in the team. So many square passes (shudder)

  44. salparadisenyc

    Quite like the idea of Coq playing alongside Schneiderlin.

    The noise had to eventually come, just read article about Gundogan and United pulling out of a deal to put all efforts into MS. Then of course linked Arsenal with Gundogan.

    He’s our if we want to get him imo, would be ideal start to the window.

  45. Namibian Gooner

    Having witnessed the injuries and the declining of form of our players due to fatigue over the years and the effect it had on the team, I wonder why people are even slightly doubting why we should be signing MS.

    Flamini and Arteta are basically deadwood now and for me will not be able to perform at any level we may need them to.
    Coq And MS can share the workload throughout the season.

  46. London gunner

    Jim lahey

    with the chemicals in the brain though is the chicken or the egg. Are they depressed because of these chemicals and hormones being unbalanced or is it them being unbalanced because of initial depression..?

    Also I failed to count for another factor, family.

    That rhys something another from that Tudors show became depressed after losing his mother despite being rich, critically acclaimed and good looking.

  47. MeGunner

    There’s no good reason not have sign Schneiderlin. He’s a better player than Coq imo. There are very few games where Coq will be preferred to Morgan and even in those games both of them should play. The competition can only be healthy and good for the club too.

  48. Bamford10

    So let’s assume we sign Cech and Schneiderlin, the latter making some happy, some less happy and some (for reasons I’ll never understand) miserable.

    That’s a 35m gross spend. Let’s say we have another 35m to spend on an attacking player. Whom to we go after?

    Higuain? Lacazette? Fekir? Reus? Benzema? For me it must be a CF, because we must get Giroud off the field. Further, Welbeck and Ox are good enough wide, IMO.

    Who, people?

  49. London gunner

    What I like about gundo is he is a decent tackler and an exceptional distributor of the ball. Not a creative misstep more of a scholes, carrack to his passing game.

  50. gambon

    London

    I didnt say you agreed with Chambers purchase

    The point is, £25m isnt the huge amount it used to be.

    We paid £13m for a squad player in Wiltord, 15 years ago.

    Relatively, £25m in 2015 is more than £13m in 2000.

  51. karaul

    you bring schniederlin in the team we start playing the pure unadulteratedly boring tepid and ineffective football

    so what´s your plan? don´t buy anyone and let´s hope coquelin keeps his form and plays all games in season? are you wenger´s nephew ?

    schneiderlin would fit our midfield and style of play very good. he´s best choice of all defensive midfielders.

    Jesus! Just imagine Cech and Schneiderlin done early in the transfer window …and you´re bitchin about it

    I´m more curious about our attemp to sign CF or winger.. don´t have any ideas who would that be

  52. gambon

    “Coq is two years younger and has the best stats in the pl for his position.”

    Does he, or does he have “London Gunners opinion of the best stats for DM”?

    Theres a big difference.

  53. Nasri's Mouth

    london gunner: but a successful, super rich and healthy person makes no sense tbh.

    if they’re depressed, they’re not healthy. Depression is an illness

  54. Bamford10

    London

    Not that this is the best place for this discussion but there is a difference between psychological depression and clinical (biological) depression. The latter, like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia, runs in families, has a biological basis and results from how a particular brain is wired, though it is likely brought on by chronic, prolonged stress of a certain kind as well.

    A complicated issue, one that I have some personal familiarity with, as it has been an issue in my family.

    Like every other organ in the body, the brain is composed of matter and can break, break down and malfunction. Because it produces thought, however, some people imagine that every problem in the brain is produced by emotions, thoughts or thinking. This is a mistake. The brain can break, just like any other muscle or organ. And being a billion times more complex than other organs or muscles, the manner in which it breaks is a billion times more complex (and more difficult to study and understand).

  55. vicky

    Found the source of rumor

    Murray Groves ‏@MurrayGroves
    Schneiderlin deal likely to be in the region of £24m. Arsenal is preferred destination. Tottenham bid not reached valuation.

  56. karaul

    Bamford10

    No Higuain please!

    From all your suggestions.. of course Benzema. Not going to happen. So I would be happy with Reus. But is he really able to play CF? Or is this another experiment like with Walcott? It´s tough with strikers..

    you´re gonna laugh.. but I would buy balotelli if price and his demands are right. it´s his last chance to save his career. i smell magic in the air. or loads of red cards and 0 goals in 58 games

  57. Nasri's Mouth

    Blsany: I will never get depressed as i have HUGE cock.

    You will do when your girlfriend tells you she’s been lying

  58. gambon

    I still dont think we will sign Schneiderlin.

    Although Wenger completely accidentally came up with Coquelin as a solution, I think he will now be loyal to him.

  59. Bamford10

    How does Schneiderlin equal “boring, tepid” football? He’s better on the ball than Coquelin, so he would improve us in that regard. Watch him vs. Chelsea. That’s boring football?

    Perhaps this person thinks Schneiderlin would play CM? Not going to happen, as that would sideline Ramsey or Jack, which is never happening. If he is brought in, it will be as an additional CDM.

  60. Blsany

    No i all seriousnes now why dont you guys rate Kramer.What’s not to like Tall,powerfull,young german and cheap as well.Ticks all the Aw recent signing boxes.

  61. Bamford10

    Karaul

    Yes, I like Benzema as well, but I just don’t see this happening. Whereas Lacazette, despite the silly valuation talk of his owner, strikes me as doable.

    I’d offer Lyon 30m and see what they say. He can play wide left or as a CF.

    I might also offer Lyon Theo + 10m and see what they say about that.

    If Fekir can really play CF, he might be my new first choice, though, I think.

  62. Nasri's Mouth

    Bamford10: If Fekir can really play CF, he might be my new first choice, though, I think.

    He might be your new first choice despite you not even knowing whether he can play CF ?

  63. gambon

    Im not an expert on Kramer, but when I last looked at the end of the season, i remember that Schneiderlin tackled more, intercepted more, scored more, assisted more, passed more and completed more passes.

    So why would we go for Kramer?

    Schneiderlin also has 3 years PL experience, and has been the best player at a good Southampton team in that time.

  64. salparadisenyc

    Blasny

    I rate Kramer, just rate Schneidelrin more.

    Can play the lone role we have Coq in now, a defensive lynchpin, box to box role, against a side like Chelsea would could play Coq alongside MS in a double pivot.

    Not to mention he’s played across three leagues in England over the course of 8 years and gotten better with each step up.

  65. Nasri's Mouth

    gambon: So why would we go for Kramer?

    Maybe because Schneiderlin has already informed us he’s going to wait for ManU to sign him.

    Meh, who knows

  66. London gunner

    Karaul

    Chill dude! You like MS that’s fine! I think he is a good player, but not as good as Coq.

    “so what´s your plan? don´t buy anyone and let´s hope coquelin keeps his form and plays all games in season? are you wenger´s nephew ?”

    I said lets get Kramer in for 8.5 mills. Or if not get in thiago motta still had a season or two in him and is top top top quality- great mentor for coq.

    “schneiderlin would fit our midfield and style of play very good. he´s best choice of all defensive midfielders.”

    I don’t think he would not anymore at least. I think he fits are old style of possesion just for the sake if it under arteta’ sera. Personally I like our direct style Bd statically we win a much higher amount of games with less possesion so for me I think counter attacking football really works better with ozil, sanchez and Theo in the team.

    “Jesus! Just imagine Cech and Schneiderlin done early in the transfer window …and you´re bitchin about it”

    I’m not bitching. Thrilled with Cesc purchase and if we did not have coq I would consider 25 m or more on a dm.

    “I´m more curious about our attemp to sign CF or winger.. don´t have any ideas who would that be”

    Cf is the hard one, so I Wil answer that last, but for winger I would be looking at reus, fekir or Pedro .

    Cf would also depend on if we sold welbeck to help finance the transfer, but lacazette, tevez, cavani, higuain, icardi, batshuayi, Rodrigo, vietto, moratta, Kane or benteke.

  67. Bamford10

    Yes, because he’s a fantastic player, I’ve read he plays CF as well as he plays CAM or wide, he’d run probably 22m or less, and we need a CF.

    And even if he didn’t really work as a CF — neither did Sanchez, btw — he would be our second best wide player and a second CAM to Ozil, not to mention a great replacement for Podolski.

    So yes, insofar as we are just discussing things on a blog, I like Fekir.

    And btw, N5 and Paulinho both rate John Terry above Ferdinand (see above), a position of mine you tried to describe as “absurd” the other day.

    This in response to my calling the view that Terry “is not a good defender” absurd.

    As if calling JT a “bad defender” and rating JT above RF are comparable! No surprise you overstated your point simply to contradict me, though.

  68. Nasri's Mouth

    @Jim Lahey

    I tried to push one the other day, but no-one was interested.

    I just don’t know. Young people today don’t know the fun you can have with a Kalou link. It’s all Reus this, and Fekir that. Was different when I was a lad

  69. London gunner

    Gambon

    Scnidelin is better sure but is around 17 million pounds more than kramer.

    Sal

    interesting points, but let’s be honest as long as wenger is manager Ramsey or wilshere will be played along side whoever holds the dm spot. Personally I rate coq the better dm so he holds that position meaning it’s 25 mill on a back up/bit part player… I just think that’s to much when you factor in we have significant improvements in first team positions.

    I think we could get reus for 40 million which I think is what he is worth in this market, especially as imo he is better than bale who is wr holder for transfer fee and we are going to have spend 30 mill on a cf If we are to upgrade.

  70. Nasri's Mouth

    Bamford10: Yes, because he’s a fantastic player, I’ve read he plays CF as well as he plays CAM or wide

    You’ve read…

    LOL, superb stuff!

  71. karaul

    Vlad Dragomir said he wants to play in first team is season or two.

    I think Wenger would give him playtime in some not so important game..

    like CL playoffs

    Bielik – Zelalem
    Vlad

    here we come monako, time for revenge!

  72. Bamford10

    London

    Pretty sure I’ve read that Leverkusen are willing to part with Lars Bender precisely because they are holding on to Kramer, who is 24.

    For me you just don’t want us signing anyone who might displace Coquelin, though I know you’ll say your concern is with our bringing in a class attacking player.

  73. Blsany

    Jim
    “Guys…. Yann M’vila. Anyone?”
    Oh not that sucker again.He really was a bullet dodged.Train wreck of a career if u ask me All hail wenger.

  74. Dan Ahern

    Only way we sign Schneidi is if AW loses faith in Arteta and Flamini. Otherwise he will be very satisfied with Coquelin and either of those two as a backup.

    It could happen, but there’s a strong chance he’s comfortable with what he has.

  75. salparadisenyc

    London

    Its all up to Wenger, he has the money and schedule over the four competitions to deem a player like Schneiderlin a requirement with enough left in the tank to nail down Reus or Benzema.

    I know what i’d do.

    Now rumors that Mikel is off to the UAE and Mourinho is entering the race.

  76. London gunner

    Bamford

    I don’t think ms or kondogbia can displace coq, but I do feel they can cost a bomb in transfer Fees and wages to sit on the bench.

  77. Goondawg

    Thiago Motta is even slower than Arteta. big ask for him to adapt to a faster league also. Although he is a baller DM, I prefer someone more mobile

  78. qna

    Bamford. Schneiderlin is not even as good as Arteta and he is a liability. Kondogbia was the one we should have signed. I really dont know about Kramer or Imbula who I suspect will be much like Schneiderlin. But at least they are younger. We should sign older players only for the first team and MS does not meet the breif. If none are available we could do young player for the squad.

    Now that Kondogbia is off the table and Verratti is unattainable I like Rabiot. I think he lools like he will be better than the lot of them by the time he is 25.

    Bamford I am with you on Fekir though. Not as a CF but as our RW/LW. To compete with Walcott for the other wing alongside Sanchez and Giroud.

  79. Dan Ahern

    Pedro — Buzzfeed may be successful but native advertising is nothing to be admired, and neither are they. They’re a lowest-common-denominator content shitheap. They ruthlessly plagiarise. And they run a “news” vertical with no journalistic point of view (this is where those advertorials fuck you). Awful company.

  80. Nasri's Mouth

    salparadisenyc: Now rumors that Mikel is off to the UAE and Mourinho is entering the race.

    Would he start ahead of Matic though?

    If not, I’d see us and ManU ahead of Chelsea

  81. Bamford10

    “I don’t think ms or kondogbia can displace coq, but I do feel they can cost a bomb in transfer Fees and wages to sit on the bench.”

    So when will Coquelin be starting (or even called into camp) for Les Bleus, mate? Both of these other players are already in the squad, and Kondogbia at 22 years of age.

    What do you think is going on there? How long till Coquelin is in the side?

  82. Ozy

    Regardless of how good Firmino might be, that shit show at Liverpool will make him look a lot worse than he is. Firmino, playing alongside Balotelli, Ings and Milner. Ouch. Career killer right there.

  83. Bamford10

    QNA

    “Schneiderlin is not even as good as Arteta and he is a liability.”

    How do you figure? He’s 25, athletic and was MOTM against Chelsea, with something like 25 defensive actions.

    But worse than Arteta, a 33-y-o who can hardly move anymore, and was never that athletic in the first place. Would Arteta start for Les Bleus? MS often does.

    I think you just have something against MS — you’re not alone here — so you’ll say whatever to stand against him.

    To each his own. We need another quality CDM, though, regardless.

  84. WengerEagle

    £29 million is quite a steep price to pay for Firmino as talented as he is.

    I honestly thought that he could be got for £10 less than that.

    If they sell Sterling for £40 million+ and buy Firmino for £29 million however that represents some excellent business.

  85. WengerEagle

    That’s not a bad point Ozy although I’d be amazed if Balotelli was still there by September.

    They are rumoured to be after Bacca and Rondon too, both very good CF’s that are huge upgrades on anything that they have right now (Sturridge is a sick note, when fit he’s very good of course).

  86. salparadisenyc

    Think its quite likely that Coquelin will see some time in the Les Bleus camp in the not so distant future.

    Read something last night saying Brendo going for Firmino and Benteke with the Sterling cash. Add Illaramendi to that, not a bad summer at all.

  87. Nasri's Mouth

    qna: Schneiderlin is not even as good as Arteta and he is a liability

    out of curiousity, do you even know who Schneiderlin is ?

  88. Jim Lahey

    How much has Rodgers spent now since being at liverpool? Does this mean that Sterling is gone? And how on earth is it only 10 to fucking 5…. seriously like..

  89. gambon

    Do people realise Arteta has never earned a single cap?

    Sure you can talk about Xavi and Iniesta all you like, but not a single cap.

    There was talk when he was at Everton that he could be eligible for England due to 5 year residency, and still they didnt even gove him a cap to keep him Spanish.

    Not a bad player, but vastly overrated by a lot of people.

  90. Jim Lahey

    “out of curiousity, do you even know who Schneiderlin is ?”

    Yeah he is the guy who terrorises downtown Tokyo in all those movies right? Tall fella, green and shoots fire from his mouth?

  91. gambon

    With Matuidi, Gonalons, Schneiderlin, Kondogbia in there, im not so sure Coquelin will be getting called up.

  92. london gunner

    Sal

    “Its all up to Wenger, he has the money and schedule over the four competitions to deem a player like Schneiderlin a requirement with enough left in the tank to nail down Reus or Benzema.”

    If the signing of schneiderlien would not deter, distract or hinder us trying to sign benz and Reus, fine! Still only would sign him on the mandate that he doesn’t square pass and slow us down like arteta.

    Thing is though Reus and Benz would cost us around 90 million so its already unlikely that Wenger would spend this much in a single transfer window let alone £125 million when factoring in Cech and Schneiderlin.

    If its a choice between Reus/Benz on one hand and Schniderlin on other.. well I know what my choice would be.

    “So when will Coquelin be starting (or even called into camp) for Les Bleus, mate? Both of these other players are already in the squad, and Kondogbia at 22 years of age.”

    Numerous posters have already responded to you on this point. But I will summarise.

    1 Coq has not been established till last season he was on no ones radard (but mine)

    2 Coq has essentially come out of the blue and his skill and expertise have come as a huge surprise to most (bar me)

    3 Schniderlin has his first cap at 24.. Coq is 24 if he continues on like last season I imagine he will be called up to the squad

    4 Kondogbia is more established partially because he was in a weaker less competitive league and partially because he was in a weaker team.

    5 Kondogbia has gone to inter, which might say more about his quality than you would like to admit.

  93. Blsany

    “So when will Coquelin be starting (or even called into camp) for Les Bleus, mate? Both of these other players are already in the squad, and Kondogbia at 22 years of age.”

    Bamford surely it’s only a question of time.I personally think he’ll be on the plane to Euro’s next summer.If Moussa Sissokho can get a game for France so can Coq.

  94. toniboy

    I’ll leave the forwards for Wenger to decide on.

    On the Terry/Ferdinand discussion, like Vidic…Terry’s best work was with Carvalho and Gallas as the mobile unit.

    Notable mentions :Injuries have been unfair to King and Woodgate. Of the English defenders they had the best continental ones for me.

  95. qna

    WE. To be fair I was saying Arteta is a liability. Anyone knows I am Arteta’s biggest critic. But I am honest when I say Arteta does a better job in deep CM than Schneiderlin. I have watched him several times and he is predictable and bland for lack of a better word. What ate we going to start playing long ball football again. I can understand why all the poms on here love Schnederlin. They think dumping a long cross in solves all problems. 😉

  96. Ozy

    Rickie Lambert – lol. Forgot he even existed.

    And Eagle, I don’t think neither Bacca or Rondon will make much of a difference. Significant improvements over what they currently have, yes, but there’s a reason Rondon is still plying his trade in Russia and Bacca, although he’s had a good season, is turning 29 this year. The two wouldn’t make much of a difference. But who knows..

  97. Ozy

    “Coq has essentially come out of the blue and his skill and expertise have come as a huge surprise to most (bar me)”

    Haha good ol’ LG.

  98. WengerEagle

    Ozy

    Yeah agree they are nowhere near a title challenging outfit even with those signings but they could put up a better fight for the top 4 than last season.

    Bacca is very much like Jackson Martinez (he’s actually rated higher by Colombians), excellent finisher with a decent first touch and an aerial presence, he also has the pace to make those runs in behind his marker but he lacks dribbling ability or any sort of creativity in terms of his own chances even.

    I wouldn’t want either tbh.

  99. Bamford10

    London

    ” 1. Coq has not been established till last season he was on no one’s radar (but mine)

    2. Coq has essentially come out of the blue and his skill and expertise have come as a huge surprise to most (bar me).”

    You are priceless, mate. Let’s just agree to disagree.

  100. Bamford10

    London

    One thing, though: Inter are a fantastic club. That they’re going through a patch — or have gone through a patch — means little to nothing. The notion that a 22-y-o going to Inter means he’s not an excellent player is ludicrous.

  101. Bamford10

    QNA

    Nasri’s quip seems to be the case: you don’t know who Schneiderlin is — or at least you’ve barely watched him. He doesn’t play a lot of long balls! Not at all. Not for Southampton, and not for the FNT. This is just a silly, patently false claim. Just stop.