IAN WRIGHT GNOME | Keeper deal nearing?

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A local golf club gave my old man a battered Ian Wright garden gnome, so he painted it (smart paint job). In my opinion, Arsenal are missing a trick not selling these. Ivan, drop me an e-mail, my Dad will do you a deal.

Anyway, feels quiet outside. Like something is brewing. Maybe it’s a transfer?

Who knows. Don’t get too excited about the silence. Embrace it and hope for the best.

So, what’s on today?

Well, Puma have a kit launch event on Monday. I’m guessing they’re going to showcase the new kit… and a £30m defensive midfeilder with Petr Cech?

No? Maybe not?

Ok, but whatever. We all love a kit launch. Amazing how much more interested Puma are in engaging fans over Nike. They’re like a new girlfriend after a souless 10 year marriage. So much attention for us. They’re making it an event, and in exchange, we must buy their products… which, to be honest, are way nicer than the items Nike offered. Far more fashion oriented.

I’ve been invited to their event where I’m going to tell them that football kits ARE NOT FOR ADULTS. They’ll soon realise why my marriage to Nike was soulless.

What else is going off?

OMG. Arsenal are being charged with bad things for messing about in the transfer of Calum Chambers. We’ve breached the rules. We could be in trouble. Someone quipped that Wenger would love a transfer ban… the total pervert.

‘IS THAT ALL YOU’VE GOT, MAKE IT TWO YEARS I DARE YOU’

Arsene, calm down, it’ll be a fine at worst. A bit embarrassing either way!

I’m writing this with Jeremy Kyle on in the background (A poverty Jerry Springer) and I’m wondering how these people get laid so frequently? Currently listening to a woman complain her Napoleon Dynamite lookalike boyfriend dealt with her pal when she walked the dog… plaaaaaya.

Anyway, Jack Wilshere doesn’t want to go to Manchester City.

“I wouldn’t go somewhere just because I’m a home-grown player,”

“I’d want to be wanted by a club; I want to be wanted by Arsenal.”

Jeez, it’s like listening to Mike Skinner song after a heavy weekend. I’m welling up over here. Don’t sell him Arsene, he’s up for an open relationship if that’ll make things work? This is the second time he’s come out about this, so there must be a worry / fear that something might be brewing.

He’s a major talent, he’s just not shown it. So from a brutalist viewpoint, if you can get £30m for him, you’d be inclined to take it… IF HE WAS FOREIGN. But he’s not, he’s English, so I’d imagine we’ll hold on to him. Hopefully watch him blossom into Xavi.

Wenger is apparently pushing through the Cech deal. That’d be a seriously brilliant signing. One of the best since Sanchez. We’re also going to sign up Theo Walcott. Which is nice. Not sure about him through the middle, but he’s a good option through the forward line. He’s also the best finisher at the club.

Right, that’s all I can muster. Let’s chat later. Like, maybe tomorrow? x

328 Responses to “IAN WRIGHT GNOME | Keeper deal nearing?”

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  1. Cesc Appeal

    Cech is a fantastic start. Need to keep going though, another great player in the CDM/CM area and then a great ST.

  2. Cesc Appeal

    Barcelona are after Pogba apparently. Makes sense, feel they need to add some quality to that middle, with Pogba you could have as classy a middle man as you have forwards there in the coming seasons.

    Would dearly love Pogba at Arsenal, next to no chance however.

  3. Cesc Appeal

    El Tel

    I want Vidal for the middle, we don’t have a chance at Pogba, Wenger wouldn’t pay what needs to be paid and Madrid, Barcelona, Munich all of the big sides will be after him, so no hope.

    But Vidal for me is the best option out there who seems like he might be available. I think there might be a few players Wenger has his eye on over the Copa America, not sure if he’s out there broadcasting or not, but I think he will be watching keenly.

    From recent interviews he seems to be liking the South American flair and steel. Cavani on a bargain price would still be an excellent bit of business I think, really hope he has a good tournament because there’s still a monster player in there.

  4. relieable sauce

    I do feel confident about getting Cech. I think Mo will even try to put a positive spin on it as he doesnt seem to have the final say on the matter. Probably slow play it where he can still.

  5. El Tel 1

    Good business

    Cech in for Chesser. A no brainer.

    Kosser to RM in swap for Benzema

    Linked with Marseille CB . Could cover with Gabby taking Kossers place.

    Cavani for Grioud. Looks like Paris are letting go of Cavani and Ol Big head.

    Walcott for Sterling. Probably miss Theo but no player has ever been as frustrating as him. On song Theo is unplayable. Most of the time though he is a bystander.

    Willshere to Citeh with Vidal coming in from Juve. I rate Willshere but the injury record and lack of discipline are a pain.

    Up front we would have Cavani, Benzema and Sterling. Power, pace and movement

    Mid would be Ramsey Vidal and Ozil or Cazorla

    Defence Bellerin, BFG, Gabby , Howedes

    Keeper. Cech

  6. relieable sauce

    Suprised Cech sponsors arent all over his helmet. FA rules…?

    If he joins AFC I want to see him sporting a golden winged helm.

  7. Cesc Appeal

    El Tel

    Yeah, I think Wenger likes Higuain, I know a lot of media stuff is guff, but when there’s supposed interest around the same player for that long it often means something.

    I wouldn’t give Kozz up, I think he’s tremendous, probably one of the best defenders in Europe I personally think. I like Gabriel, I’m just a bit worried both of them seem ‘rash’ defenders if you get me? I feel they are the type that need a level headed leader next to them…

    If PSG are willing to listen to offers under £30 Million then I would be in like a shot for Cavani. Sanchez, Cavani and Oxlade is a front line full of pace, power and technical ability. I’m one of those who thinks Oxlade could turn into a monster, I really hope Shad can work some magic with him, get him fit and strong(er) for the whole season and I think we will see a real player emerge there.

    If we’re fantasy-ing it up.

    Cech
    Debuchy, Mert, Kozz, Monreal
    Vidal, Ramsey
    Oxlade, Ozil, Sanchez
    Cavani

    Would do it for me. Shout out for Bellerin as well who, even though not in that starting line up, I think will take Debuchy’s spot before long.

    I’ve said it before, I would also like to see us sell Gibbs and bring in Kurzawa, Bellerin one side, Kurzawa the other means your full back slots are sorted with quality for years to come.

  8. Cesc Appeal

    RS

    I want to see some sort of Viking raider helm, proper iron or steel with horns made from the dead unicorns who’s placenta the Chelsea staff have been using medicinally for years!

  9. Lee

    Arsenes nurse

    Why is wilshire a chav?
    Because he is white and working class?
    He comes from a good family.
    Where did you go, Eton?
    Fucking snob.

  10. Lee

    El tel

    Cech
    Cavani
    Sterling
    Vidal

    Howedes
    Willshere
    Campbell

    Get a grip man
    Most people have fantasies that involve women

  11. Bamford10

    Cech would be a fantastic addition, and an excellent start to the window. Might even transform me into an optimist.

    Add a quality CDM and CF as well and we are contenders.

  12. relieable sauce

    I am still quite concerned about CB tbh, CC & GP need to step up next season for us not to struggle at some point.
    Dont know if Koz has fully recovered but either way he looks like a man that needs a substantial rest to me. Maybe the summer will be enough but i wouldnt play him in any dom cup games & give him a mid season break.

  13. Bankz

    I think Sanogo could be the new Diaby & the alternative Pogba.

    reliable sauce- By the “new Diaby”, do you mean Diaby- is-the-next-Viera-and-the-first-Pogba-combined Diaby or are you simply referring to Diaby aka the medical doctor?

  14. relieable sauce

    CA

    LOL. Great idea, horns will make the goal smaller & theres always the chance of impailing Terry at corners.

  15. MrT

    Thumbs up to your dad. I hope we get Peter Chec. Would be so beautiful. Would like us to keep Rociski though. Love him. I feel he’s that player that gets the teams head in the right place when he comes on. A good DM even if Wenger has to pull one out of his ass. We can’t afford to pile too much on our dear Coq. If we can chip in a world class striker I think we’d be fine. We could take a gamble on Chicarito I guess if strikers are in short supply.

  16. relieable sauce

    banks

    lol. The former of course. No-one can deny Diaby hasnt inspired & helped many peoples careers.

  17. Nasri's Mouth

    Unless it’s got his name on the back, there’s no way you could tell that an Ian Wright gnome

  18. N5

    “Unless it’s got his name on the back, there’s no way you could tell that an Ian Wright gnome”

    Racist!! Also is that Gnome free to play up front next season?

  19. Nasri's Mouth

    @N5

    To be honest they all look the same to me…

    …gnomes that is

    Looks a bit Viv Anderson-y to me.

    Maybe Lauren, though they’ve got the staring eyes a little wrong

  20. Nasri's Mouth

    @N5

    Why the feck would we want another short-arse in the side ?

    He can’t be more than 8 inches tall!!

  21. N5

    Bollocks NM you got in there 1st, my preloaded reply was going to be “I guess they all look alike to you”…damn you and your Matrix Oracle-like ways.

  22. Lee

    Mr t

    I agree with all of your points.
    However I don’t think chicharito can give us anything walcott cant

  23. N5

    “listening to a woman complain her Napoleon Dynamite lookalike boyfriend dealt with her pal when she walked the dog”

    Quite possibly the finest comment I’ve ever read on Le Grove, well done Pedro this was gold 😀

  24. N5

    Goonah I don’t use Twitter, does Geoff update that too? if so it very well might be his writing. I thought he always went under his name though.

  25. MadeToLoveMagic

    I’m sat here trying to work out combinations of CM players and it ain’t easy,, we have a lot of players in that position

    If we get anyone WC in CM wise , then i think we will have to shift at least 2 or three from the squad

    For example if we get Vidal, that basically spells the end for Arteta , flamini and Rosicky, because whereas before they would have been bit parts with a chance of a game, with vidal,they would have next to no chance, and it wouldnt be healthy to have that many not playing players in the squad!

    We have right now

    Ozil
    Ramsey
    Caz
    Wilshere
    Rosicky
    Flamini
    Arteta
    Le coq

    Thats 8 players competing for a CM position every week. Way too many..

    We need to cut it down, get arteta and flamini out, (maybe Rosicky ). Replace with Vidal . Still have an absurd amount of competition.

    Im starting to doubt we will see any Cms coming this TW though now….. There are too many noises coming out of the club about how we have the right players , just that we need to keep them fit…

    I think we will see cech arrive in the next week or so, then I think it will be all about whether an opportunity arrises that wenger can’t resist. I think that the view generally held in the club atm is that we have enough already (apart from a keeper)

    Would be a real shame not to get a CDM in though. That for me is the position that wins us the title but hey, I still think we can do it, injuries permitting with out………

    But there is always the chance that Coq may droop a little.. . That is something we should be prepared for,

  26. MadeToLoveMagic

    How does that seem like a Geoff post?

    Pretty obviously Pedro’s writing.. Imagine Geoff writing “plaaaaya!” ……………………………………………………… no.

  27. Cesc Appeal

    Arteta, Flamini and Rosicky shouldn’t even figure into any debate over a new CM. The former two are next to useless playing wise and Wenger hasn’t used Rosicky and really should let him go to play out the last few years of his career.

    Wilshere will get injured a lot.

    Ozil isn’t a CM in that sort of way. I personally don’t like Cazorla there either, but I can see why Wenger uses him there.

    So for me, Ramsey and Coquelin are the only real, proper options there, and even Ramsey usually suffers long bouts injured.

    If someone like Vidal is available, we have nothing better and should snap him up. Keep improving the side, if Wilshere is good enough, signing Vidal won’t matter, he’s 28 anyway.

    With Arsenal, I always feel there is the illusion of depth, a lot of the players we have aren’t good enough, then a lot suffer constant injuries, on paper looks acceptable, when you delve into it a bit, the ‘depth’ is purely for show.

  28. MadeToLoveMagic

    Come on Cesc you can’t say that you dont consider Caz to be a CM, he was probably our best player last season, and that is where he played most of his games. He far less effective out wide. Here do you think he should be playing?

    Ozil too. IMO one can’t consider his position to be anywhere other than cm behind the front three..

    Caz , ozil, Ramsey, wilshere…… Thats four players who really cant be playing anywhere else other than as part of the two in front of the main DM. None of them are effective out wide, or even if they have to be, arent happy or at their best there..

    That’s why i’m saying if we get in Vidal (which we need to) it will be at the expense of one of those 4.. and Arteta flamini and rosicky will have to be binned no doubt..

    We could fit in Vidal if wenger is ruthless with the ones who wont be getting game time…

    Think about it, if we get Vidal in then the maj of games will be Vidal, Caz, Ozil as the three mids. That leave Le coq missing out a lot. Certain games we would have Coq and vidal. which leaves 4 Cms fighting for one position….

    As you say injury is quite a problem so im sure they would all get games over the course of the year… Im ust starting to doubt we will see a new CDM this year……

    I really really fucking hope i’m wrong though but i think the feeling around the club is that our fitness is likely to hold next year, so I imagine wenger will bet on that rather than signing someone like Vidal…..

    If i was religious man i would pray for the vidal signing as i think personally it is way more important that a striker, but im not , so i’ll just hope instead

  29. PK

    Chec and Lacazette and a decent DM (loads of them on the market) would make this squad compete. Next year it will be about time to do something of quality in the LB position.p, but a think natcho have one more year in him.

  30. Cesc Appeal

    MTLM

    You have two slots for CM’s, one for the pure CAM (Ozil/Cazorla) though Wenger has played Cazorla in the CM slot beside Coquelin for the last few months and does like to play another CM in a wide slot beside the CAM.

    For me, Coquelin and Ramsey are the only two real options for next year in those two slots, I don’t like Cazorla as a deep CM, and Wilshere wil be unavilable for selection for the majority of the season.

    So you have two.

    If you got Vidal in then the majority of the season would see Vidal and Ramsey paired, likely Ozil beyond with Sanchez one side and then either another winger (Oxlade, Walcott, Welbeck) or another CM the other (Ramsey, Cazorla, Wilshere.)

    Again, comes down to ambition, are we ‘giving everyone a chance’ and hoping the ‘next season’ brigade finally arrive, or are we pursuing top flight success?

  31. Redtruth

    Drooling at the prospect of signing Cech.
    I mean the keeper single handedly won all those trophies for Chelsea and Cech was instrumental in Chelsea winning the league last season.

  32. gonsterous

    Realistically we have next to zero chance of signing Vidal.. unless we pay some weird numbers.. why would he go from juventus, a title winning team who featured in the final of the CL and are looking to only improve to come to a team that’s good but not world class.. a team that hasn’t won a title for 11 years and a team that haven’t gotten to the semis of the CL for more than 5 years..

  33. Cesc Appeal

    gonsterous

    Because they’ve signed Khedira, looking a Witsel and have already bagged Dybala…they want to hold onto Pogba as well for at least another season. Vidal may be sacrificed, him or Marchisio.

  34. Keyser

    That kind of sums up most people’s approaches to any new additions.

    You can seemingly analyse and evaluate the players we have, then you simply place a ‘Name’ onto the teamsheet hoping it fits.

    Vidal does what ? He’s all action, he’s not especially dominant in any one area, but because of sheer energy, and being surrounded by an efficient team he makes it work, and vice versa it works for Juventus, it’s basically why Wenger plays Ramsey to the right.

    Much like Pirlo and Marchisio/Pogba, Cazorla and Coqeulin give each other balance, Vidal isn’t as smart or as disciplined as Cazorla has been, he isn’t asked to be.

    How does Vidal and Ramsey make sense as a partnership ? Who sits ? Who dictates play ? Who plays the reserved role while the other bombs on. It’s just a pipe dream. Ramsey is basically Vidal, he’s not as quick maybe, but technically he’s better in the attacking third, or has the ability to be.

    You might not agree with this, you might even scoff, but it’s something you should at least consider.

    Much like the people who say ‘better than Giroud’, rather than ‘This is why I think this player will be a better fit’.

  35. karim

    God complex

    A person is who is said to have a “God complex”, does not believe he is god, but acts so arrogantly that he might as well believe his is God or appointed to act by God.
    Some believe that “God complexes” are particularly common in arrogant, highly educated, worldly, or powerful people.

    You’re welcome

  36. salparadisenyc

    Best finisher at the club?

    I’ll have what he’s having, a double IW garden gnome please.

    King helmet get the F in you bad man.

  37. London gunner

    Peeps keep mentioning over the hill expensive strikers…

    How about lacaZette tried and tested prolific goal scorer over myltiple seasons with time ok his side his game is based around power and pace so I thinks he would work in PL.

    Also Harry Kane along with shearer, ronaldo, fowler, Andy cold and bale is the only striker under 23 to reach 20 goals in a premier league season.. In fact if you look at 21 and under only him and fowler have achieved that…. He also is a gooner!

  38. gonsterous

    Keyser

    28 is not old.. energy levels drop ? It’s not like he turned into a fatso in a couple months time.. I’d say he ‘ll still have by the time hes 31

  39. London gunner

    Cesc appeal

    You don’t like cazorla as a deep cm, but fortunately every stats site does and premier league opinion polls do.

    He has the highest arsenal player rating on every stats site from playing from deep and won various of mom from that very role. Perhaps because it’s worked no?

    He had been our quarter back that has dictated games and stayed disciplined defensively. He balances well with coquelin because they are a ying and yang and cover for each other in the necessary ways.

    Not to say Ramsey isn’t a good cm, just that I’m sick of this lack of understanding of how very good Santi has been in a new role.

    I believed it was ozil who was commentating on this the other week.

  40. Keyser

    Pogba, Marchisio do a lot of work that isn’t always appreciated, Vidal’s different, he almost does what he wants, he knows Pirlo will sit, and Marchisio will do the things he doesn’t always want to.

    Vidal moves here, it’s a step-up, I think he’s been worked pretty hard over the years, if you rely on your energy like that, it can drop off quite quick.

  41. Redtruth

    Cech is a game changer that will take Arsenal to the next level, a special talent who will infuse everyone at the club and bring the glory years back at the club

  42. MadeToLoveMagic

    Cesc,

    I think that Caz has played well enough in the role in front of the pure DM to be considered at least an option there, but I concede your point.

    I also see keysers point that Vidal is not a million miles off Ramsey so a vidal ramsey duo may not work as a balanced regular option..

    I see it more likely to be a Vidal coq, Coq Ramsey or Coq Vidal combo for the majority of games.

    I get what you’re saying though, its all about ambition and how much wenger is willing to sacrifice chances for some of his players for the chance of success..

    I think that after signing cech (which seems almost certain judging by maureens words), a pure or versatile DM is the major piece of the puzzle, way more important than a striker imo, as we have a lot of goals in our team anyway even if we don’t have a 30 goal a season man..

    Im just trying to highlight that even if we scrap 3 of our cms, ie flamini arteta and rosicky we will still struggle to to keep them all happy. Not that keeping them all happy is essential imo, it’s just the wenger way and that concerns me regarding our chances of getting someone like Vidal

    Red, Im not sure their is anything other than an altruistic prayer. Maybe i’m cynical though

  43. MadeToLoveMagic

    I think the Fact that vidal is 28 and has had injury problems means that we shouldn’t have to pay more than 28 million for him if he becomes available. Massively worth it as he could be great for another 5 years, even if his energy drops.

    Cesc is right that signing of Khedira means that one of pogba and Vidal may be off.

    Its unlikely to be Pogba as his stock isn’t as high as it could be right now. Juve will want to keep him until he has a blinding season and they can get their 80 mil for him. That won’t happen this season/.

    I think vidal is ours for the taking if we want, especially as he is with Alexis at the moment

  44. Keyser

    “I get what you’re saying though, its all about ambition and how much wenger is willing to sacrifice chances for some of his players for the chance of success..”

    It really isn’t, we can’t buy with the same frequency other teams can, even if we bid something similar, so the players we do bring in have to really count.

    Like even Sanchez, as good as he has been, he will need to improve.

  45. Nasri's Mouth

    Cesc Appeal: If someone like Vidal is available, we have nothing better and should snap him up

    No we shouldn’t. While we have a decent amount of money available, it’s not unlimited, nor is it as much as our competition, so we should be concentrating on the weaker areas of the squad. Currently, we have Cazorla,Ramsey and Wilshere vying for that central position, adding another body in the squad for that position is an inefficient use of our cash

  46. Nasri's Mouth

    gonsterous: 28 is not old.. energy levels drop ? It’s not like he turned into a fatso in a couple months time.. I’d say he ‘ll still have by the time hes 31

    So we get 3 years out of him. Surely better to sign a 22-25 year old who will give us twice as much time?

  47. Marko

    Think I’d prefer Krychowiak or Kondogbia to Vidal. Younger bigger (stronger?) And more proper defensive. Given his age and injuries we could do without another midfielder who gets caught up top trying to score a goal.

  48. MadeToLoveMagic

    NM

    But we only have le coq as a genuine defensive option. Neither Wilshere Ramsey or Cazorla really fit this bill.

    If coq gets injured or drops his form then we don’t have any options other than an ageing flamini or arteta who hasn’t played in a year. We have also lost Diaby from the squad, so there is room for an addition in that position especially when you consider how often ramsey and wilshere are injured…

  49. Nasri's Mouth

    MadetoloveMagic: But we only have le coq as a genuine defensive option. Neither Wilshere Ramsey or Cazorla really fit this bill.

    Neither does Vidal though. So are you going to sign him to sit on the bench behind Cazorla/Ramsey in CM and Coq in DM?

    I doubt he’d even agree to sign for us under that situation

  50. MadeToLoveMagic

    Marko

    I see your point, its just that Vidal will be entering his prime if we sign him now

    his injury history means he has missed 17 club games since 2007-08

    not horrendous

  51. Keyser

    It’s probably the Coquelin position, almost every player linked does’t quite fit or comes at a pretty big price. If Schneiderlain can play alongside Coquelin, or with a Ramsey base, then maybe, other than that, I think anyone new won’t be a proper fit, and we’ll be relying on the players we have for real growth.

  52. Redtruth

    Keyser
    “It really isn’t, we can’t buy with the same frequency other teams can, even if we bid something similar, so the players we do bring in have to really count.”

    The Losers Charter

  53. MadeToLoveMagic

    MN

    Vidal may not be a pure DM, but alongside the coq would provide a huge defensive force in big games… He is a brutal tackler..

    YOu sign him as a versatile player who can battle it out for the mid CM or pure DM positions. What’s wrong wit that? Players thrive of competition, it just needs to managed well and i was pointing out that wenger isn’t used to doing this.. recently anyway

  54. Marko

    Previous medicals have apparently shown something wrong with his knee(s) but I don’t disregard the signing completely he’s a top player and it’d also bring out the best in Alexis Sanchez but I only see him making sense if we were selling Ramsey or Cazorla. The idea of Vidal sitting deep while others attack isn’t realistic it’s not how he plays really.

    On his injury record I must say that’s one of the best things about Alexis Sanchez too he rarely gets injured. Played in 36 of the 38 league games last season. So refreshing to have a forward who doesn’t pick up niggling injuries here and there. Merte too rarely gets injured

  55. MadeToLoveMagic

    Keyser

    So we pretty much agree, a DM is the position that the team could do with the most. As back up/ competition to coq.

    I still think that Vidal could be the right fit as i believe he could play the DM role with ease when needed, and alongside Coq would be incredible for the bigger games when we need the steel.

    Schneiderlain would be great but he isn’t i think the player vidal is. Vidal is like a warrior and that would be great for the spirit of the team. Thats just my feeling

    He’d probably get sent off a fair bit, but he’d give us more balls

  56. Nasri's Mouth

    MadeToLoveMagic: Vidal may not be a pure DM, but alongside the coq would provide a huge defensive force in big games… He is a brutal tackler..

    He may be a brutal tackler, but so is Coq, and positionally and discipline wise, he’s not as good as Coq for that role. You want to buy a round peg when we already have 2 very good round pegs, and then try to squeeze it into a square hole.
    We either need to sign an actual DM as back to Coq, or as 1st choice with Coq dropping down to back up. That depends on how good you think Coq will be next season, and who is available.

  57. Bamford10

    NM

    I assume Cesc is thinking of Vidal playing alongside or behind the CM. For me, I’d focus more on Kondogbia, Krychowiak or Schneiderlin. But that’s just me.

    BTW, I’ve recently taken a longer look at what I think is your POV, shared by a number on here, which I’ll call the “Limited Pot POV’. This POV, perfectly legitimate, holds that while we may have some amount of cash available for signings (say, 50-75m), this amount represents a pot that once spent will be gone forever, that we must therefore be extra-, super-, uber-careful, more careful than any other club in the world, treating each signing as if he were our one bite at the apple.

    Now I don’t have time to fully address the weakness (IMO) of this POV at the moment, but I will say that those who see things this way have not done as good a job articulating this view as they might imagine. It’s as if you’ve assumed what you needed to prove — or at least, what you needed to more fully lay out.

    Cheers, all.

  58. Nasri's Mouth

    MadeToLoveMagic: He’d probably get sent off a fair bit, but he’d give us more balls

    Playing with more balls on the pitch when you’re down to 10 men is a terrible reason to sign him

  59. Nasri's Mouth

    Bamford10: Now I don’t have time to fully address the weakness (IMO) of this POV at the moment,

    Oh no!!

  60. gonsterous

    Nasri mouth

    That makes no sense..get a 22 year old coz he gives us more time ? Why don’t we go for the quality coz at this moment in time there is no 22 year old that we can afford with the quality of Vidal !!

  61. MadeToLoveMagic

    NM which 2 great tacklers do we have? Coq and who exactly.? Please say you arsent refering to flamini

    The reason Vidal would be so good is that he would scare opposition mids and not let them have a second on the ball.. That’s what i mean when i say he’d give us more balls..

    We dont have anyone other than Le coq imo who has this quality and you never know he may not sustain it next season.

    We need imo a skillful battling type for CDM as we only have is coq. Vidal gives us every thing , great skill , great battling qualities, goals

    He’s number one on my Arsenal wish list

  62. Nasri's Mouth

    gonsterous: Why don’t we go for the quality coz at this moment in time there is no 22 year old that we can afford with the quality of Vidal !!

    As a DM ? Kondogbia

  63. MadeToLoveMagic

    NM

    Vidal is no more reckless than flamini Flamini hasnt got the legs to time his tackles properly anymore. We cant rely on him and coq as our only two defensively minded players.. Arteta may not be fit at all next season..

    I also think that a pure DM is a great option. I just think Vidal is more versatile as well being able to play the pure role at least as well as schneiderlain. I mat be wrong on that though

  64. Nasri's Mouth

    MadeToLoveMagic: NM which 2 great tacklers do we have? Coq and who exactly.?

    Where did I say we have 2 great tacklers ?

  65. MadeToLoveMagic

    “He may be a brutal tackler, but so is Coq, and positionally and discipline wise, he’s not as good as Coq for that role. You want to buy a round peg when we already have 2 very good round pegs, “

  66. Nasri's Mouth

    MadeToLoveMagic: Vidal is no more reckless than flamini Flamini hasnt got the legs to time his tackles properly anymore.

    I never said he did. I’d sincerely hope Flamini isn’t here next season

  67. Bamford10

    What a little prick. Seriously. The decent, reasonable person would see this as an olive branch of sorts and might say a few things about the “Limited Pot POV,” if this were indeed something (anything) like his POV.

    Instead you can only be a prick. I’ve said it before and will say it again: biggest prick on this blog by far and away. Subtler than some others, but the biggest and most arrogant prick by far. No question.

  68. Keyser

    MTLM – The reason Coquelin works is because he doesn’t move, he’s very reserved, he plays a limited role with discipline and if he’s good enough he’ll elaborate, he cost a few million years ago and at 24 he’s still got a lengthy career ahead of him if good enough.

    Spending 30 million on Vidal and then asking him to play a similar role is just a waste, either there’s something specific about him that will allow the team to function at a higher level or you’re just buying for the sake of it, even if it is quality that you’re buying.

  69. Nasri's Mouth

    @MadeToLoveMagic

    Vidal’s best position is as CM, a round peg where we already have 2 very good round pegs Ramsey and Cazorla.

  70. MadeToLoveMagic

    NM

    But neither Ramsey or caz (who btw is thirty now) could really be considered a CDM.. Vidal is more of a pure DM/CDM than a ramsey/ cazorla type. Ramsey maybe, but still his strengths lie in creation not nullification.

  71. Keyser

    Bamford10 – This is more about you, people don’t listen to you you call them a prick.

    It’s not an opinion or a point of view, it’s cold hard reality, we have a budget, Chelsea or Citeh don’t, while United have a bigger one.

    Ask anyone on this blog whether this is true, especially with FFP being relaxed.

    That’s it really, you refuse to accept this simple fact.

    The second aspect is that the marketplace we’re buying from is silly and inefficient, it’s extremely difficult to find value for money.

    Both these things should be a given.

  72. Bamford10

    “Spending 30 million on Vidal and then asking him to play a similar role is just a waste, either there’s something specific about him that will allow the team to function at a higher level ”

    Umm, being way better on the ball, a Vidal wouldn’t only stand in front of the back four, avoiding the ball in build-up, but would in fact be integral to the build-up in the manner of Arteta.

    Now I’m not even advocating for Vidal, but the notion that one has to choose between a tackler with little to no real passing (Coqulein) and a more technical, polished CDM who doesn’t do enough defensive work (others) is nonsense. Pure nonsense.

    All of the best teams in the world have a CDM who does both. If we want to compete with the best, we too need such a player. A player who is half a CDM will not cut it.

  73. Nasri's Mouth

    Bamford10: What a little prick

    Bamford10: biggest prick on this blog by far and away

    Big? Little? make your mind up please

  74. Keyser

    Lol at Olive Branches btw.

    “I’m wrong, but I’m going to pretend there’s a weakness to your argument to save face, if not I’ll call you a prick”

  75. Nasri's Mouth

    Keyser: This is more about you, people don’t listen to you you call them a prick.

    I’ll listen to Bamford all day long, funny as fuck, and never realises why I send him up when he writes stuff like that

  76. Nasri's Mouth

    Keyser: “I’m wrong, but I’m going to pretend there’s a weakness to your argument to save face, if not I’ll call you a prick”

    And “I’m far too busy with more important things to fully explain it to you right now, though I DO have plenty of time to waffle on about it for a while first, and then post again to call you a big / little prick”

  77. Keyser

    Lol there’s a 25 million pound differential between Coquelin and Vidal, plus about 4 years, he’s not like Arteta.

    Once you invest in him, it leaves less money for other areas. Lets say for Ooh how about a striker.

    So if there’s something specific about Vidal that elevates the team, fine, otherwise why not sell Ramset and buy him if he’s that good.

  78. MadeToLoveMagic

    Keyser , yeah i see your point

    but shneiderlain would cost us 25 mil..

    Vidal is entering his prime. 28 years old. Plus I think honestly anyone who is doubting Vidals ability to perform the pure DM role hasn’t watched him play..

    Although not a pure DM technically he is still i think one of the best in that role in the world…

    No way would it be a waste signing him, as he versatile all through the middle. Also as I said, him along side coq in big games would strike fear into the hearts of most opposition in world football..

    Plus i worry Coq may have a dip or an injury next year..

    People’s idea that Vidal cant perform as a pure DM is ridiculous. He can.

  79. MadeToLoveMagic

    vidal’s energy, skill , versatility, passion would offer the team more than a new striker imo.

    There are goals all over our team, Defensive solidity in the mid? Not so much

  80. Keyser

    NM – Mate, it’s not funny though, either he’s a complete idiot, or he’s decided in historical Le Grove tradition to keep to his point, regardless of how stupid he’s being.

  81. Nasri's Mouth

    MadeToLoveMagic: But neither Ramsey or caz (who btw is thirty now) could really be considered a CDM..

    No, they’re not, which is why I’d much prefer us to sign an actual ball playing DM, one who is happy in possession as well as being happy out of possession (as Coq has very well proved to be)

    Vidal is a CM who can cover at DM, BUT realistically we have 2 very good options there. We also have Wilshere there too. People may knock him, but I don’t know many other sides who have someone of his ability as 3rd choice.
    So we’re signing Vidal purely as cover for DM. He can do that, BUT we could sign someone younger / cheaper who would be equally as good as he is at the DM role.

    Even if we assume he’s a starter at CM, (which I don’t think he is actually) that means we’re effectively relegating a very good player (either Cazorla or Ramsey) to the bench for a minimal upgrade.

    That’s an inefficient use of our funds.

    Better to spend that money on another area of the team. A Striker for example

  82. Bamford10

    Keyser

    No, it’s actually about someone being a prick. But that is irrelevant, let’s return to the “Limited Pot POV”. Two sets of questions:

    1. Is Arsenal profitable? If so, does this not mean that it produces a cash surplus at the end of each season that contributes to/refills the cash reserves? If so, then the cash reserves “pot” may be limited in any given season, but it is not limited in an ABSOLUTE sense. Once spent, this “pot” is not gone forever, for the club’s ongoing profits serve to replenish this pot. Yes? Yes.

    2. Why is it that you never support any spending in advance of that spending, but always support Wenger’s spending after the fact? That is, if I call for signing, say, Kondogbia for 25m, you’re against it. If Wenger goes ahead and makes such a signing — as he did in a sense with Ozil and Sanchez — you’re now FOR it. Why is this?

    3. Finally, can this side compete for a title without signings? If so, why do only a handful of Arsenal supporters believe this while the rest of the world (incl. most supporters) think it a ridiculous notion?

    4. What is the sides biggest need? Who would you sign and why?

  83. Nasri's Mouth

    MadeToLoveMagic: Although not a pure DM technically he is still i think one of the best in that role in the world…

    Ahah, this might be crux of the issue between your argument and mine.

    He really isn’t that good as a DM IMO.

    Yes, he’s aggressive, yes, he can tackle, but that’s only one facet of a DM. Positionally he’s not great at all.

  84. Keyser

    MTLM – Scheiderlain at 25m – That’s why I say real growth will come from whoever’s already here, and why I’m just not too bothered who we buy. Also why Sanchez is amazing, just slotted right in and started producing.

    It’s not whether he can perform there, it’s whether 30 million on a player you yourself have admitted is not a pure DM will be worth it, on his own, he may play exceptionally well, but it’s about how we perform as a team.

    Also to be honest, people are just as likely to hype the absolute shite out of players we don’t have compared to those we do.

    I think even Sanchez will need to improve a level for us to win the title.

  85. MadeToLoveMagic

    Vidal is a CM who can cover at DM,…………………………..

    Sorry mate, that’s where we reach an impass…. I think that Vidal is still one of the best DM’s in the world. Whether that be in the pure sense or the versatile sense..

    If i didnt think that then i would of course agree with your argument , as it is logical.

    Mate you can either see it as “relegating” Caz or Ramsey to the bench or you can see it as creating healthy competition. Caz probs only has another year left with us at his best so there is nothing wrong about suplimenting that area. As long as we shift on Arteta and flamini. remember to there is a diaby shaped hole in the squad now also

  86. Bamford10

    Keyser & NM

    Me: “Now I’m not even advocating for Vidal, but the notion that one has to choose between a tackler with little to no real passing (Coqulein) and a more technical, polished CDM who doesn’t do enough defensive work (others) is nonsense. Pure nonsense.

    All of the best teams in the world have a CDM who does both. If we want to compete with the best, we too need such a player. A player who is half a CDM will not cut it.”

    Agree or disagree? Why or why not?

  87. Nasri's Mouth

    MadetoLoveMagic: Mate you can either see it as “relegating” Caz or Ramsey to the bench or you can see it as creating healthy competition. Caz probs only has another year left with us at his best so there is nothing wrong about suplimenting that area.

    Competition is good to a degree, but we already have enough of it in that area, unlike the DM position. Yes Cazorla only has 1 season left, but by then Vidal is a year older too.

    So a couple of years farther on, we have to replace Vidal too. If we had Schneiderlin or Kondogbia instead, we wouldn’t need to replace them, and we could add that money into the transfer kitty meaning we’d be more likely to afford that season’s Pogba.

    It’s about growing the squad longterm

  88. MadeToLoveMagic

    “Also to be honest, people are just as likely to hype the absolute shite out of players we don’t have compared to those we do.”

    Yep that’s true….

    plus I agree that we are unlikely to sign anyone in this position and our development will grow from inside (which is the point i was making in my earlier posts today). I dont think wenger will sign anyone in the CDM/DM role as we have so many players stocked in the CM roles.

    Cesc made the point that wilshere and ramsey are injured a lot, plus we have no diaby, so there is room for either a pure DM or a vidal type. Personally I think Vidal has what it takes to perform both roles to a WC level. I just have this feeling that Wenger won’t buy here which to me is a shame as i think more defensive solidity in the mid during the bigger games is what we need. Significantly more than a striker..

    So i think either schneiderlain or vidal would offer a huge amount to the progression of our team. Vidal would be my choice due to his versatility, but that doesnt seem to be that popular opinion on here by the looks of things

  89. Marko

    BTW, I’ve recently taken a longer look at what I think is your POV, shared by a number on here

    Bam why do you always bring up that some people share the same opinions with you on certain things as some kind of example of being right. It could be that they’re missing the point too. Like Marble could agree with you but it doesn’t make him right (or sane)

  90. London gunner

    Without doubt he is the biggest prick on the blog, but he is not particularly subtle about. Just because he is not sweating and ranting doesn’t make him subtle.

    For me he is akin to the bitchy snide cheerleader in a low budget rom com.

    He comes out with these petty ohhh burn like comments. Whilst at the same time having the arrogance to act as if he is the font of all wisdom.

  91. Ozy

    Is there actually any real, concrete interest from Arsenal in Vidal? If not, why bother arguing whether or not to buy him. We won’t. Juventus won’t sell both Pogba and Vidal.

    On the transfer front, it’s been relatively quiet for Arsenal. I’m worried the Cech saga will last all summer long..

    Are there any links to any striker besides Jackson Martinez or Ibrahimovic, the former almost dead-set on going to Milan and the latter staying with PSG?

  92. MadeToLoveMagic

    NM

    Vidal is 28 , not old

    He’s in his prime. It is the age of players we should be looking at to kick us on..

    And long term, Vidal still has 4 years at his best.

    Plus i see Vidal as being able to perform the DM role , you clearly don’t so we aint never going to agree on this one. Its dooooomed i tell thee , Dooooomed!

  93. Keyser

    Bamford10 –

    1. This misses the point completely.

    2. I think I gave pretty accurate evaluations of both Sanchez and Ozil, before and after. This sums up your attitude really.

    Ozil cost 42.5 million, I wasn’t sure we’d ever spend this, so when we did it was a surprise, we paid market price for a top player, he came from a weaker league, and a very inefficient team, so he was always going to take time to adapt.

    It’s taken him almost two seasons now to fully acclimatise and people still aren’t sure of him, this was always likely to happen, you should learn more from this than me.

    3. Because they’d rather live with hope, rather than hypocrisy.

    4. I’ve said Coquelin and a replacement, but I wouldn’t place too much emphasis on it.

  94. Dan Ahern

    I’m a big Vidal fan but I’m quite pleased with the level Ramsey’s hit, and I find them similar. I’d rather get Javi Martinez, a big defensive minded player who can pass. With him as our DM backed up by Coquelin we’d be sounder defensively and more flexible offensively, as Javi wouldn’t necessarily need Cazorla to balance him. We could play Ramsey central more where he is much better.

  95. MadeToLoveMagic

    Haha Red

    Vidal is hardly plucked you muppet. He just happens to be the player we are discussing and have been for a while..

    There are logical reasons to think he may get sold this year , so discussing him is hardly a crime , especially as we know Wenger loves him and he’s currently chilling with Alexis..

    Havent you got a horse hair whip or something you can go and beat yourself with ? rather than subjecting us to relentless insults and negativity?

    Dear dear red. What would your precious God think of your Nasty judgemental character? oh wait, you probably learned it from him in the first place.

  96. Nasri's Mouth

    Bamford10: but the notion that one has to choose between a tackler with little to no real passing (Coqulein) and a more technical, polished CDM who doesn’t do enough defensive work (others) is nonsense. Pure nonsense.

    You don’t have to choose, although finding one who can do both isn’t easy, because there aren’t too many ball playing DMs around, but I suspect that’s exactly what Wenger wants.
    He persisted (too long, depending on your view) with Song in the hope that he could learn the disciplined side of the game. He used Arteta there because he didn’t have the aggression of Song, but he did have the discipline and the vision.

    It’s possible that Coq can add to his game. He’s previously been more of a ‘baller’ but he’s reined that side of his game in to concentrate on the defensive side. Can he add that back in and still maintain the rest of his game? I’d hate to guess that. He showed it very well against Villa, and little glimpses before, but that’s not enough to make much of a judgement yet.

  97. Bamford10

    Marko

    “Bam why do you always bring up that some people share the same opinions with you on certain things as some kind of example of being right.”

    One, I NEVER do this. Now pay attention, because this point seems to elude many here: there is a difference between saying (i) “many others agree with me, therefore I must be correct” and saying (ii) “many others agree with me, therefore my view is not some absurd, unreasonable, minority, outsider (read “American”) view.

    Whenever I mention others’ agreement with me, I am always doing the latter and never the former. I studied logic: I am well-aware of the fact that simply because many, most or all people believe a given claim to be true, it isn’t therefore true or more likely to be true. all of mankind could believe the earth to be flat; this wouldn’t make it so.

    Two, that isn’t even what I was doing in the quote you cited. There I was saying that many here hold MOUTH AND KEYSER’S “Limited Pot POV,” not mine. Now, many here agree with me as well, but that wasn’t my point.

    London

    So glad you agree.