Wenger won’t sign £60m players | Jack banter shocker

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Whoooooaaaaaaa… someone pinch me. Was my headline yesterday about Wenger and tactics?

Jeez, it totally was!

So surreal!

Did that really happen? A game totally bossed with smart tactics… tactics that weren’t just smart… tactics that were dynamic.

What a day! I think that’s the first Cup Final I’d ever dealt with where the post match commentary was the worry that the press would rip us for having it too easy.

I wanted to go into a bit more detail about some of the performances on the day, because it really was a joy to take that 90minutes in.

I thought Coquelin was absolutely fantastic. He was a monster out there. Whereas Gilberto was the invisible wall, Coquelin is the visible bulldozer. He’s such a dominant presence. His ability to read the game and his lack of desire to bomb forward has given us a really solid base to work from. He’s a powerhouse, he really stood out for me against Villa.

Theo Walcott really raised a few eyebrows with an interesting performance. Through the middle he was pretty blunt for the first twenty minutes, but his strength comes with the fear he instills with his pace. I still can’t quite work out how he’s going to own that central role, but in a front three of players who are interchangeable, well, he showed what he can do. Superb movement throughout. That finish was stunning considering how out of the game he’s been and that it was on his left foot. I’d be surprised to see him leave the club now. A bit Thierryish after the Champions League final.

The keeper had a very good game as well. I very much have my doubts Ospina could have so easily dominated his box, purely based on size. Chezzer had a very calm game. That said, I still think if Petr Cech is available, we should be in for him. I’m a bit worried Wenger has a thing for the Pole and he won’t be ruthless with his decisions there.

Santi Cazorla had another tremendous game. I wasn’t sure that he was man of the match, but he’s certainly been an integral cog in the winning machine we’ve crafted in 2015. Big questions over whether he’ll stay on in the summer. Ultimately, he’s the wrong side of the thirty and we have Aaron Ramsey coming into the prime of his career. It’d be sad to see someone of Santi’s ability to leave the club, but if he wants to go out with a bang at the highest level, he might try and slink back to Spain now.

I also thought Ozil had a brilliant game, probably my man of the match. He’s the quiet conductor, pulling strings and people out of position. It’s really difficult to truly appreciate him when you sit in the lower tier. At Wembley, I was up in the sky, so I had a full afternoon of watching the beauty of a game in full swing. Really is a totally different experience.

Bit of a shame all the Villa fans left before the game was finished. That wasn’t very sporting. I’m sure Hull hung around last season? Great to see all the players having so much fun. I don’t know if anyone else noticed the Wembley Mascot trying to steal the limelight? Really was looking to Gunnersaurus to deck him. I couldn’t even work out what it was… a horse shaped like a hammer? Whoever he was, he was a wanker.

The celebrations for the parade were pretty amusing yesterday. Jack Wilshere caused all sorts of controversy, by, you know, connecting with the fans in a language they understand.

‘I’ve got one more fing to say…’

‘WHAT DO YOU THINK OF TOTTENHAM’

‘SH*T’

I thought it was absolutely brilliant. He was off his face. He reminded me of Liam Gallagher. He did exactly the same thing last year without half the nonsense.

I’ve had people telling me it lacked class. It wasn’t responsible. ‘What would the kids think’.

Look, most kids play Grand Theft Auto, have an addiction to hardcore porn by the time they’re 11. Can access the most disgusting things imaginable at the flick of a switch. Kids are pretty fucked up.

OMG

OMG

If you think your child is going to be mentally scared by hearing a footballer say the word ‘shit’… you’re raising a very soft child not fit for modern day society.

Jack is having fun with the fans. He’s an Arsenal boy. Talk about class? Jeez. This is football people. Arsenal fans baost incredible class. On the way up to the game, I was chastised for picking up the wrong bottle of whisky. Total scenes because all the off license had was Jack Daniels. Point is, that friend who was demanding Woodford Reserve was singing the Spurs song. No one will be digging him out about class. Because it’s football. You put class to one side and you’re always allowed to banter Spurs fans and tell them the truth about their club.

The press need to get a sense of humour and so do Spurs fans. A Spurs fan demanded people call the police to complain about the incident. Spurs… a club that allows its fans to sing peado songs at Arsene Wenger / sing about Sol Campbell being a homosexual… complaining about player banter at an Arsenal fan only trophy parade. Get a f*cking life.

Onto Arsene Wenger, he’s already out talking about who he’s not going to buy (asked about Paul Pogba).

“We have not spent that kind of money,”

“People forget that for years we had to sell our best players and that was a very difficult period. That is the reality. Since we buy again, we slowly come back to a more competitive level. You speak maybe about stratospheric numbers where we will not be involved – not at that level – for financial reasons. It’s simple.”

Come on Arsene, we spent £43m two years ago on Ozil. Premiership football is what, 5% inflation a year? That takes us to roughly £48m. Throw in the new mega TV deal money? There’s no way we can’t compete in those leagues!

Anyway, the point is, no one is asking us to sign Paul Pogba. We do need players though. Wenger wants cohesion.

“We have to show that next season and we want to do it,”

“I feel that we have moved forward and people think always it’s about buying but it’s as well about cohesion, and cohesion is a very important factor that is a bit underrated usually by people. We have to keep that cohesion and maybe add quality. But the quality we have to add is in short numbers. But the other teams – how good will Chelsea be? Who will they buy? I don’t know.”

I don’t think there’s any doubt that we’ll add quality to the side this summer. I don’t think it needs to be a major overhaul. I think we need to make sure we keep the right players, lose some of the players around the peripheral and most importantly, keep doing what we’ve been doing.

The most important thing we can do  is maintain the fitness work we’ve been doing this season. We need to have a summer of proper, uninterrupted preparation. If we add two or three players this summer, the real killer move we could make next season is by keeping everyone fit. That’s been the massive improvement in 2015. Having a squad to choose from. Well, when I say squad, I mean having a starting 11 we can pick week after week.

This summer is going to be fascinating. We need some smart purchases. I’m not sure there’s going to be a mega signing, but I think there could be a push for some experienced talent. I still think we’ll end up with James Milner. Him, a defensive midfielder, maybe an inside forward and a keeper.

That’d be brilliant.

Let’s see what happens there!

Final bit, as we close of the season. I just wanted to say thanks for hanging around this season. Blogging has been a sideline this season due to life stuff going off in the background, so I appreciate your patience and the fact you come back everyday (especially the nutters in the comments section).  There’s not going to be much to write about this summer, but I’ll be rounding up the transfer goss everyday, so make sure you tune in! I’ll also be bringing in other writers to help with the workload.

Have a good one, enjoy taking smugness to new leves this morning. x

Walking in just in time! #arsenal

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453 Responses to “Wenger won’t sign £60m players | Jack banter shocker”

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  1. Dissenter

    Nasri’s Mouth,
    “Dan Ahern: It’s to create more fans, and more loyal fans.I wonder how much actual effect it actually has when you turn up with a bunch of reserves and U21s (at best) to play in front of a crowd that have already had a season full of football.No doubt it’s a gain, but how much is debatable”

    Chelsea and City have traveled with their full squads. The first teamers make cameo appearances and the upcoming players do the actual playing.
    It’s pure exhibition.

    I really believe the club is deferring to Wenger and will join the crowd, once he leaves.

  2. N5

    Dan, he would have had to say shit once which is what I imagine is upsetting a few parents but my opinion is that not a single gooner complained about this but rather people that wasn’t their that saw the recording.

  3. Keyser

    Why would the club defer to Wenger ? Maybe because he has a point.

    Why does he have a point ? Because we’re not Chelsea or Citeh, post-season tours seem relatively new, there was the World Cup last year, the premier league season starts a week earlier this year and preparation for next season is more important than the few million or whatever we’d get on tour.

  4. Willow Wilson

    N5
    The fact that some fans can’t even celebrate winning the FA Cup tells you all you need to know about their passion. they have not got a clue mate.

    So what about Jack, it’s just banter. These PC, pantie wearing fans are starting to get on my wick. thank god they dont go to games they would spend the entire game complaining. The obscene songs wenger has to listen to from the spurs fans makes Jack look like he was singing a nursery rhyme.

  5. N5

    Spot on Willow. They sing songs about him being a kiddy fiddler every time!! good on Jack!! well done on him for given the banter.

    In Tony Adams, Ian Wright, Ray Parlour and co’s day this kind of thing was normal during a cup celebration, why on Earth has it become such big news. And if I was Jack I certainly wouldn’t apologise, I’d just tell everyone to get a grip.

  6. Dan Ahern

    N5 — I meant the “My old man” chant.

    But anyway, I can’t imagine anyone being seriously bothered about JW participating in what fans regularly do themselves.

  7. Nasri's Mouth

    @N5

    Yeah, ridiculous headlines. Wilshere started an extremely common Arsenal chant, (possible the most common one) and the fans happily lapped it up.

    I hate separating the ‘armchair’ fans from the ‘real’ fans because both can be true fans in their own right, but when you hear people moaning about it…

  8. Nasri's Mouth

    Ryan Taylor was released from NUFC by telephone before being told to pass his mobile to Jonas Gutierrez so he could be delivered same news.

    Newcastle playing hard ball.

    Caring for their players like that will make it so much easier to recruit new players

  9. Dissenter

    Willow Wilson,
    If it just “banter’ and “passion”, why is the naughty Jack story on the front page of every sports sections in the tabloids?
    Why did Arsenal apologize and block of off the live telecast immediately?
    Why is he apologizing?

    There’s a difference between a fan singing a song in the midst of thousands of fans and a well paid employee of the club leading a chant and turning the microphone to the crown to amplify their “shit” chant. Not that they needed a microphone.

    It’s not about not going to games and all that.
    Jack’s behavior just distracts from the main story which YOU want us to celebrate, that’s all.

  10. Dissenter

    I must be a PC, pantie wearing fan but I certainly do not want to get on your a wick.
    You don’t want dynamite close to your wick, do you 🙂

  11. N5

    Dissenter, I’m certainly not being xenophobic here, but I have only noticed the American Gooners complaining about it? Maybe America has a less tolerant policy with swearing?

    Also, why have all the tabloids run with it? the same reason they run with all these Bruce Jenner stories! controversy sells.

  12. Nasri's Mouth

    Dissenter: Why did Arsenal apologize and block of off the live telecast immediately?
    Why is he apologizing?

    Both apologies were about as weak as you can get. He wasn’t even warned about his future behaviour

  13. N5

    Eagle, I know TV shows a very different picture of curing and America, but it seems odd to me how many of our American supporters are outraged by Jacks antics.

    Maybe you have to grow up close to the rivalry? I don’t know I’m just guessing?

  14. Nasri's Mouth

    N5: Maybe you have to grow up close to the rivalry? I don’t know I’m just guessing?

    Whether you’re close to it, I think you have to ‘get’ it.

    If you understand the rivalry, then you shouldn’t have an issue with Jack. If you don’t understand the rivalry, then maybe you do.

  15. Le Prof

    N5

    ‘Dissenter, I’m certainly not being xenophobic here, but I have only noticed the American Gooners complaining about it? Maybe America has a less tolerant policy with swearing?’

    Oh you’ve really gone and done it now!

  16. N5

    Dan I know mate, I was kind of saying that comment tongue in cheek because the British are so uptight.

    I have only seen a few on here complaining and I thought they were joking, but I’m beginning to think there isn’t a big *surprise it was all a wind up! coming from it and that they are generally upset with Jack.

    NM, I think that’s right mate if you understand the rivalry then this is a feather in the cap, if you don’t then you get upset.

  17. Le Prof

    NM

    ‘Whether you’re close to it, I think you have to ‘get’ it. ‘

    I think that’s exactly what it boils down to is ‘getting it’.

    You can read all you want online and watch every match on a steam or whatever but that doesn’t tell even half the story of the rivalry.

    You don’t even of had to have experienced the NLD at shite hart lane, like some of us have, to get it but at least have some semblance of understanding of the rivalry and why it is the way it is. I suppose it’s difficult to comprehend and easier to dismiss when you haven’t felt the hate and the animosity 1st hand.

    I just find it funny that it’s the people that haven’t experienced this or are a bit more detached from the match day experience are the ones making the most unnecessary noise.

  18. N5

    Nice one Dan.

    Le Prof, I can’t tell you the rage I feel when I’m at a NLD and they are singing about Wenger being a kiddy fiddler and all that fuck off back South stuff.

    Jesus, it’s over 100 years since we moved and the fact they still call us Woolwich just shows how little they have to taunt us with.

    Tottenham hotshit, Tottenham hotshit are you watching Tottenham.

    I’ve read people on here saying the NLD means nothing, winning this game and that game does!! WHAT! the NLD means nothing!!! ffs.

  19. Spellbound

    N5

    I don’t think its an American thing. Its more a “certain Americans on legrove” thing. Sanctimonious bullshit if you ask me.

  20. N5

    Truth I must admit I’m liking the fact you are talking to me nicely. It’s been such a long time coming, I’m worried you’re luring me into a false sense of security.

  21. N5

    Spellbound, I think Dan is proving that because he’s very much on the it’s a great thing bandwagon.

    I hope I didn’t come across xenophobic, I was just trying to understand what kind of supporter doesn’t like it and whether it was a culture thing.

  22. Nasri's Mouth

    N5: I hope I didn’t come across xenophobic,

    If you’re American, it’s simple geography that means you’re less likely to be exposed to it directly.

    The proportion of Arsenal fans that have gone to a NLD at White Hart Lane must be pretty small anyway, and it’s much harder if you’re American for simple logistics

  23. BacaryisGone

    Here’s an Arsenal XI plus subs from players who didn’t play a single minute in the brilliant Wembley performance.

    Ospina, Debuchy, Gibbs, Gabriel, Chambers, Arteta, Flamini, Rosicky, Gnabry, Welbeck, Podolski

    Subs. Martinez, Hayden, Jenkinson, Diaby, J.Campbell, Sanogo, Akpom,

    To me, that’s a squad that would be mid-table in the Premier League and doesn’t include the 14 players who played at Wembley on Saturday.

    Theo is right that this is the best squad we’ve had for a long time. All we need is a little more quality in the starting XI to catch up with Chelsea.

  24. Cesc Appeal

    BIG

    I think that side would concede a shed load of goals though, Arteta and Flamini anchoring with that defence…ouch

  25. Vintage Gun

    “WHAT DO WE THINK OF TOTTENHAM
    SHIT
    WHAT DO WE THINK OF SHIT
    TOTTENHAM
    THANK YOU THAT’S ALRIGHT, WE HATE TOTTENHAM, WE HATE TOTTENHAM”

    Top man! I do too…

  26. northern gooner

    Good evening everyone.

    Bankz. Thanks for the mention earlier.

    Still on top of the world after Saturday and lets see what the summer brings.

  27. Vintage Gun

    I just woke my 6 year old son up and asked him what he thinks of Tottenham.
    He said SHIT!

    For that he can stay up till 10 with a desert of his choice.

  28. MidwestGun

    Maybe America has a less tolerant policy with swearing?”
    ________
    Ohh Fuck off, Ben Affleck! Hahahaha

    I personally have no issue whatsoever with JW celebrating at a parade. I did have a problem with those pictures of JW doing mouth shots from Joe Hart in Vegas. … that shit was weird. And honestly, i question whether Jack puts as much time into his game as his partying but let’s face it…. Tottenham is shit!
    I’m still on the party train myself. So can’t be bothered with the usual who’s dick is bigger, who’s the biggest fan debates at the moment.

  29. Bamford10

    It’s “circular” logic, numbskull, not “cyclical” logic. As the king of logical fallacies, you should at least know the names of your favorite instruments.

  30. MidwestGun

    so I appreciate your patience and the fact you come back everyday (especially the nutters in the comments section).
    _______
    Your the man, Pedro. … but what do you mean nutters? ……. why you look at me?

    Were you being serious about James Milner, tho? Please have better rumors then that in the future.

  31. N5

    Ha ha Middy. I did deserve that. I must admit I’d only seen 3 complaints on here and all were American guys, that’s the only reason I asked. I didn’t think you guys had turned into Victorian Englishman.

  32. Nasri's Mouth

    N5: I didn’t think you guys had turned into Victorian Englishman.

    Puritans the bloody lot of them, damn their eyes

  33. Bamford10

    “What we need is a major improvement in the fitness of our players and a good season where the players can practice with their team mates. We never had that.”

    Your head is so far up Wenger’s arse you probably resemble a Thai hooker at a Leicester city hotel.

    We can’t compete for the league because WE DON’T HAVE GOOD ENOUGH players.
    ____

    Well said, gambon.

  34. Cesc Appeal

    BiG

    Not sure on that one. It’s decent, wouldn’t say mid-table.

    Some good players in there, Welbeck, Debuchy and Rosicky. Chambers and Gnabry I think will turn into decent players.

    Rest are a bit questionable.

    One of my complaints over recent months is I would have liked to have seen more of Gabriel, from what I’ve seen I like, but really Mert should be taking a back seat next season and right now Gabriel is the man to take over.

  35. Cesc Appeal

    NM

    I can’t see ‘damn their eyes’ without thinking of Rob Brydon and Steve Coogan impersonating Hopkins…YOU TURN YOUR BACK ON ME MAN! DAMN YOUR EYES…

  36. MidwestGun

    Oh ill come over there and shove my puritan tricorn hat up your ass! Lol.

    Seriously tho, if Arsenal want to do a tour of America and have Jack lead a few chants. I’m in!!!! Come on Stan. .. make it happen. .. it’s not like you have a team here and stadiums they could play in or anything.

  37. Bamford10

    Willow

    “The problem with this blog is its original intentions.”

    Perhaps you should read and comment on another Arsenal blog then? I don’t know, seems sensible to me.

  38. Nasri's Mouth

    @Cesc Appeal

    Haha, I hadn’t actually thought of that! Love those two together.

    It’s actually a Harry Flashman insult. So utterly the wrong era for Puritans, but hey 😀

  39. Cesc Appeal

    NM

    I was a big fan of Alan Partridge, saw The Trip on Netflix and put it on not really expecting much but I thought it was brilliant

  40. Nasri's Mouth

    @Cesc Appeal

    I’ve actually been really impressed with Mertesacker recently.

    I’d like to see more of Gabriel too, but only after a decent pre-season. Kos isn’t the greatest communicator and organiser, so if those two are playing together then they’ll need some time on the training pitch.

  41. Bamford10

    N5

    If only Americans think Jack behaved poorly — a ridiculous claim — then:

    – why did the club cut the Arsenal Player feed?
    – why have former Arsenal players said he was out of line?
    – why has the club reprimanded Jack?
    – why has Jack apologized?

    Has nothing to do with nationality. Again, it simply has to do with what is appropriate for a professional footballer to say and do versus what is appropriate for some random drunk Gooner in the street to say and do. Two very different things. Not sure why you all are having such a hard time with this.

  42. Cesc Appeal

    NM

    That’s exactly what I said a while back, neither seem like good communicators or natural leaders, really you want one of your CB’s to be a leader of the team…perhaps could be offset by Cech?

    Mert has done well recently, but for me, his total lack of pace and mobility in general are a big problem.

    But in the first half at Newcastle I really liked the Kozz, Gabriel pairing.

  43. gary

    Jack w. has encouraged hundreds to say the word shit … Sack him I say..could u ever imagine Ian Wright acting like that

  44. N5

    Bamford, I’m not claiming anything, just saying what I’m seeing and that is that so far only American commenters had said it was a bad thing and I wondered why.

  45. Nasri's Mouth

    @cesc appeal

    I think we disagree on Mertesacker. You think his pace (or lack of it) is a problem and he’ll get found out. I think he’s a good enough defender and reader of the game that it doesn’t really happen.

    Cech would help in some situations, corners etc. but when the CBs are 30-35 yards out, there’d be very little he could do. I haven’t seen enough of Gabriel to know if he can become an organiser. Chambers might be interesting to see how he does with that

  46. Bamford10

    By the way, all, Keyser claimed earlier that:

    1. Arsenal’s wage structure was never unusual or “socialist” in any way.
    2. Arsenal does not have larger cash reserves than other clubs.

    He’s either unaware of basic facts, or he is being dishonest. What do you think?

  47. Nasri's Mouth

    Bamford10: – why have former Arsenal players said he was out of line?

    Out of curiosity, which ones did?

  48. Kiyoshi Ito

    For sure, if you want to find a corner of the world, where the biggest c**ts congregate. .

    It’s here..The usual pro-wenger lobby in full attendance.

    Sorry to say Nasri’s (I give Wenger fellatio) Mouth, you are a 1st class jerkoff..

    Some people think they know, but they don’t. Quite sad, you haven’t remotely changed over the years.

    Really sad..Some of the most intelligent people, are indeed the most humble.

    PS
    I like Midwest, a bit spiky.But on point.

  49. Nasri's Mouth

    Bamford10: What do you think?

    I think I cant be arsed to go back and read through all his posts to see what he said

  50. Bamford10

    N5

    OK, I see. So the only GROVERS who thought his behavior was inappropriate were the Americans.

    Looks like the Yanks here are more in line with the club, then — 😉 —- because the club also thought he behaved badly.

  51. Nasri's Mouth

    Kiyoshi Ito: Sorry to say Nasri’s (I give Wenger fellatio) Mouth, you are a 1st class jerkoff..

    Wow, talk about a lover scorned…

    serves me right for leading you on I suppose

  52. Bamford10

    NM

    Well, I told you what he said. He said just what I said he said. The q is why. Not that I really care. Personally, I think he just lied, because it was convenient.

  53. Nasri's Mouth

    Bamford10: Looks like the Yanks here are more in line with the club, then — —- because the club also thought he behaved badly.

    Did you actually read the apology from the club?

  54. Kiyoshi Ito

    Sorry, that was meant to read..I like Bamford, a bit spiky.But on point.

    PPS
    Midwest has always been cool.

  55. Bamford10

    Wait, are you accusing me of dishonesty? Or are you acknowledging your own?

    Fine, I’ll go back and find your comments, Keyser, so all can see them again.

  56. Nasri's Mouth

    Bamford10; Well, I told you what he said

    Given that you’ve misquoted yourself before and I had to point it out to you, you should understand if I don’t automatically trust you to be 100% correct.

    Oh, and I honestly don’t care what Keyser says…

    Sorry Keyser 🙁

  57. Dan Ahern

    So Marble loved N5 all along, while SDE always hated NM but has moved on the warm embrace of Midwest?

    This season of LeGrove is getting hard to follow tbh. At least the Keyser-gambon storyline has remained consistent.

  58. Bamford10

    I said the following:

    “Further, wasn’t the (relatively limited) money we had available to spend on signings and wages affected in part by Wenger’s ‘socialist’ wage bill, whereby squad players were paid far more than they would be at other clubs? Had we not had this unusual pay scale, might we have been able to afford the salaries of the best/better players? I imagine so. [Further] now we are flush with cash. But let’s see what Wenger does this summer with it.

    To which Keyser responded:

    “– The payscale wasn’t unusual at all.
    – We are not flush with cash, unless you mean relatively to ourselves in the past, which is silly anyway, with FFP being relaxed.”

    Both claims are false.

    We are flush with cash relative to anyone in the EPL and anyone in Europe. Look it up.

  59. Ozy

    Bamford, cut it out. Have you started watching football just recently? Do you not understand banter and slagging off your rival team? Everybody does it. Wilshere’s 23 off winning the FA Cup and the Tottenham rivalry is very important to a lot of Arsenal fans. He was connecting with his fans.

    Why are you so offended by the word “shit” ? You’re so boring, Bamford. So boring.

  60. Dan Ahern

    “Sorry, that was meant to read..I like Bamford, a bit spiky.But on point.”

    See? Another fuckin’ plot twist already! Fire M Night Shyamalan from this blog.

  61. Bamford10

    NM

    Please don’t bring that up again. What really happened is that you misrepresented what I said. That’s OK, though; clearly you’re going to hold on to that mythology.

  62. N5

    Thanks Dan but I do bring it on myself sometimes because I ask questions that I guess might be misinterpreted and then they usually are.

    I really appreciate the comment though.

  63. MidwestGun

    I take it Willow is on a roll…. I can’t be bothered to page back… lol
    Personally I think he adds something to the blog, I admire the passion he has for the team, the fact he is a long time supporter of the club, knows his history, is a season ticket holder,and is well spoken on his opinions but I wish he wouldn’t lay on the you don’t know if you haven’t attended every match and Arsene is a God stuff so thick.

    And for the record he already does contribute to several other blogs.
    Additionally, its my understanding that this blog was not started as a protest site. Just a place you didn’t have to be berated for not being over the top on Wenger love.

    Anyhow, shoutout to the Juventus fans I was giving shit to at the pub during the final. (Place I watch full of Italians)… hopefully we showed them how to win a final. Basically, I was trolling them saying we are signing Vidal. 😀

    Ito –
    Haha. .. there are some spikey cunts on here but for the most part entertaining baastards. Takes all kinds of fruits to make a basket. … or whatever the saying is….

  64. Nasri's Mouth

    Bamford10: What really happened is that you misrepresented what I said.

    Actually I copied and pasted it

    Are you denying that ?

    (I can go back and show you if you want me to)

  65. Bamford10

    NM

    “Did you actually read the apology from the club?”

    No. Would you like to paraphrase it for me? It was an apology, though, yes? Jack was spoken to by the club, yes? Former players said they thought Jack was out of line, yes? So many people thought he behaved badly, not just three Yanks on Le Grove.

    Ozy

    To each his own sensibilities, I guess. I like Jack. Indeed I like Jack more than do most here, and I have defended him here when other twats were pillorying him. But I think his behavior was fucking shameful. Just embarrassing. Looked like a drunken, arrogant frat boy who doesn’t know how to handle his liquor or be an adult in public. Plenty of others agree. But again, to each his own. Not a big deal.

  66. N5

    Dan, I’m sure he’s leading me for a fall though. It’s been like Tom and Jerry for the best part of 4 years and now we’re getting on. I wonder if it’s a new tactic or he’s really taken to me?

    Mid, is Willow KJafc do you know, you’re normally the man that knows these things! I wasn’t sure he was but there are similarities with their posting styles.

  67. Keyser

    Both claims are true.

    We had a core of young players, to players in their mid-20’s, several who had grown together, Nasri, Fabregas, Van Persie would’ve been top earners, and the contracts offered before they left would’ve put them out ahead of most other players at least in the team.

    The idea other teams would’ve have offered even ‘squad’ players similar money, is ridiculous.

    Especially when you consider that teams like Citeh/Chelsea didn’t just offer ‘top wages’ to attract players, they offered wages competitive clubs couldn’t.

    FFP helped but not by much.

    The other point being ‘flush’ with cash, is just idiotic, firstly we’ve sold or moved on almost an entire team that cost far less to construct then the money it would’ve taken to replace them all.

    Secondly it completely ignores the situation we face, our entire accumulated cash reserves, even the oft quoted falsity of 200m was spent by United in one window, at the same time Chelsea and Citeh don’t spend to a budget, again with mention to FFP.

    This is now soo stupid that you have to be joking, any money we have is generated by ourselves.

  68. Nasri's Mouth

    @Bamford10

    Still, while we’re on the subject of misrepresenting peoples posts, it does seem as though you’ve done just that with Keysers posts.

    Slightly ironic 😀

  69. Bamford10

    Yes, you copied and pasted it, and we then argued over what I meant. You, as is your wont — you did this the other day re the issue of hyperbole, btw — took a very narrow, simplistic and reductivist reading of my post, just so you could prove your little “gotcha” point. In doing so, you distorted and misrepresented the basic point I was making.

    And no, you don’t need to dig it up again. Everyone already knows how annoying you are. This would only proves that ten thousand times over.

  70. Nasri's Mouth

    Bamford10: No. Would you like to paraphrase it for me? It was an apology, though, yes? Jack was spoken to by the club, yes? Former players said they thought Jack was out of line, yes? So many people thought he behaved badly, not just three Yanks on Le Grove.

    Ahh, so you’re claiming the club apologised for Wilshere, but haven’t actually read it! Brilliant!! Might be an idea if you actually did your homework!

    Was he spoken to by the club ? I haven’t seen that. Can you show me where the club have said that.

    And once more, I’m curious as to which players spoke against him. I’ve heard Winterburn say it wasn’t a problem, and I’ve read Alan Smith say likewise.

  71. Nasri's Mouth

    Bamford10: Yes, you copied and pasted it, and we then argued over what I meant

    Yes, that’s right! You somehow claimed that what you’d actually written wasn’t actually what you’d meant.

    How are we ever meant to know what you mean I wonder?

  72. Dan Ahern

    Mid — Yeah but that’s a consistent storyline! I can’t keep up with all these newfangled relationship twists. It’s like the writers are desperate.

  73. Bamford10

    NM

    What? How have I misrepresented what Keyser said? I pasted in what he said above, and it is identical to what I said he said.

    His shit above is just typical Keyser doublespeak. Doesn’t address the point at all. In any given reporting period during the past 2.5 years, Arsenal have had between 130m-200m in cash reserves. The next closest has been United, with something like 90m at its peak, and City, with something like 20m.

    What any given team has SPENT — Keyser’s lame point — is irrelevant.

  74. BacaryisGone

    Guardian reporting Milner to join Liverpool on a free. I like Milner but I don’t think his desire to play frequently in central midfield was viable. I’m sure Arsene wanted him as the ideal utility player.

  75. Dan Ahern

    Mid — The more I think about it RT+N5 is a classic love story. The one loner outcast nobody would give the time of day to, and the popular jock with the looks of Affleck.

    The loner shuns everybody because he can’t seem to fit in, but one day the handsome jock starts making fun of him. The thing is, it doesn’t matter what the jock’s intention is, because to the loner it’s attention. Nobody’s ever cared about him before. So as much as the jock riles him up, he soon he becomes infatuated with him because he’s the one person who will interact with him.

    Throw in a cruel prank the jock feels bad about, few parties, maybe a prom scene, yada yada yada, and they’re in love.

  76. Jim Lahey

    “Newcastle release R Taylor by phone, before telling him to pass his mobile to J Gutiérrez so he could be released”

    Now that is a classy football club!

  77. Marko

    Aubameyang scored over 20 goals this season and Vietto also 20 goals in his first season in European football. Both fit the kind of forward we should be targeting as in savvy and fast. Lacazette I feel if we had the balls we’d go for him and not take no for an answer. 25 million? Not enough? 35 million then

  78. Cesc Appeal

    MidWest

    Apparently Ateltico are interested in Vietto…that’s good enough for me, £14 Million release clause, peanuts to us. Rather big peanuts, kind you give an elephant, but still, not exactly a large sum for us.

  79. Vintage Gun

    “Newcastle release R Taylor by phone, before telling him to pass his mobile to J Gutiérrez so he could be released”

    Oh dear…

  80. MidwestGun

    Hmmm ya…. I agree young strikers not exactly an abundant thing. Just was rather hoping for more of a Reus type rumor this early in the process.
    Anyhow, I don’t really know all that much about any of them, maybe seen Vietto and Aubameyang 3 or 4 times this season. Anyhow, it was the Metro, i think, don’t they have about a 10% success rate or is that too high? Lol

  81. Cesc Appeal

    The new United kit looks dreadful…looks like it was designed by a kids toy company or something.

  82. tunnygriffboy

    Two days after a fantastic fa cup win. Arguments about post season tours, world class signings and Ja3ck being a naughty boy. **** sigh ****

    We are going to be linked to any number of players over the next 3 months. Really isn’t worth setting our hearts on anyone. There is more money floating around, more clubs are going to buy so there’ll be more rumours than ever. Sky will hype the transfer window to a ridiculous level and we’ll all get really pissed off when anyone remotely good goes to another club. It’ll be horrendous on here.

  83. Ces1ne

    Didn’t Newcastle also give Gutierrez a hard time about medical bills/coverage or something after finding out about the cancer??? It’s not like he (or Taylor) just came to them this season, he’s been quite the servant for them & it just HAD to be him to score for them on the final day……forget “classless” bc it’s just a bunch of trash over at that club

  84. Emiratesstroller

    The real problem when you discuss potential transfers at Arsenal for next season is that Wenger appears reluctant to offload any of his current squad.

    The most obvious candidates for departure this summer should have been Rosicky, Arteta, Flamini and Diaby. Also if you wanted to increase your transfer
    pot the sale of Walcott would not go amiss.

    Yet when you look at what is going on at the moment there does not appear to
    be much enthusiasm by Wenger to offload any players.

    Arsenal were still well short of challenging Chelsea for EPL Title and whilst that gap can be closed by improvement in current personnel there are still
    gaps of real quality in squad not least that we have only one decent goalscoring striker and an additional defensive/holding midfielder will not go amiss.
    Also there is a place open to a top goalkeeper.

    However, there appears to be virtually no places open to register new players
    for squad for EPL or Champions League Games next season unless some of
    the current squad leave.

  85. tunnygriffboy

    Emirates

    I’m concerned about squad size as well. We will have 2 or 3 signings at the most. We can’t second guess him. Is he pleased with Coquelin and happy for him to be our number 1 CDM. . Ditto Giroud up top.

    We have to keep our players fit. It’s an absolute must

    The next few months will be difficult. Every player opposition clubs sign we should be getting. Just hope that our club does it’s business relatively early bearing in mind the window doesn’t open until July 1st. The rumours will send people ppotty though 🙂

  86. Thank you and goodnight

    Good article in the mirror today in regards to wenger and the transfer window. Sorry got no link for it though.

  87. Wallace

    “Francis Coquelin, Santi Cazorla and Mesut Ozil are Wenger’s current preference in the central positions behind a main striker and he is also looking to add another midfielder this summer. An enquiry has previously been made for Southampton’s Morgan Schneiderlin but, with Manchester United also now interested, has not yet been followed up with a bid.

    Juventus midfielder Arturo Vidal is also of genuine interest, with Wenger looking for a player who can add creativity as well as defensive solidity to his team. Southampton want at least £25 million for Schneiderlin, with whom there is an understanding that he can leave should a suitable offer emerge.

    Tottenham Hotspur made a £10 million bid last summer that was rejected and Schneiderlin is clear that he wants Champions League football. His sale to Arsenal had appeared highly probable but there is now a theory that Wenger is looking for a slightly different profile of midfielder following Coquelin’s emergence.”

    – Jeremy Wilson(Telegraph)

  88. Willow Wilson

    “We have to keep our players fit. It’s an absolute must”

    Exactly. As I have been saying, it is important that we are able to play our best players from the start. This means,a good break and a full pre-season. Our best players need to do the numbers the Chelsea players did. We can’t start the season with a load of injuries to key players again, it’s impossible to get those points back.

    You can dream about ‘new’ signings but if you can’t keep your players fit it’s all pointless.

  89. Wallace

    NM

    still nice to hear though 😉

    Milner to Liverpool looks on. him and Tremenderson in CM is solid but won’t be losing any sleep over it.

  90. tunnygriffboy

    Vidal would be a good signining. Like Sanchez he’s got a bit of dog in him. Super high energy, skillful and will put a foot in if necessary. Interesting that Coquelin has emerged as a 1st teamer. Heis defensive stats are incredibly good and I thought on Saturday some of his link up play and distribution was very good. It wass his 40 yard ball to Walcott that started the move for the 1st goal.

    At least Wilson appears to suggest we are looking for a midfield option with more physicality and defensive ability

    Coquelin, Santi, Ramsey, Wilshere, Rosicky, Arteta plus another top class addition is a ridiculously strong and balanced group.

  91. Emiratesstroller

    tunnygriffboy

    My concern about so-called interest in players like Vidal and Martinez is that they are respectively aged 28-29 and spending over £25 million on such players does not provide good value. Their asset value is short term just like when Van Persie moved to Man Utd.

    Both Sanchez and Ozil our two major investments were both aged 24-25 so that
    they have still potentially at least 6 years at the top of the game.

    This is why Schneiderlein would be a great option at 25 even if Vidal is considered short term the better player.

  92. tunnygriffboy

    Emirates

    Cansee your point re Vidals age. However we have the money. He would be one signing, absolutely in his prime and just what we need to strengthen the team. As I said super energy, skillful and a real dog. Would one signing like this damage us financially.

    I f Coquelin is seen as the out and out DM, and to be fair, his performances have deseved this then Vidal could offer a little bit different and could play DM if needed. Imagine the pressing and energy in the team with Coquelin, Vidal, Ramsey, Sanchez and Welbeck with Ozil as the creater with Ramsey in some games.

  93. Carts

    Stroller

    When we talk about ripe age players, I don’t think there’s any harm in signing guys whom are age 27> for £20m+

    Part of our problem over the years has been due to a lack of what you mentioned. We used to get absolutely bullied by the big boys cos we lacked mature figures.

    We’re not in a phase where it’s a pre-requisite that EVERYONE we sign has re-sale potential. Sometimes signing a player who eventually leave on a free at 35 is no big deal.

    I’m not saying we SHOULD sign Vidal & Martinez, but IF we did I wouldn’t be against it. Furthermore, I’d love us to sign Vidal!!

  94. Rocky Pires

    Morning all, here is my take on what maybe the summer movers
    – Arsenal
    – GK Begovic
    – CM – Schnedierlin
    – CF – Lacezzetta/Higuain/Pedro

    – Chelsea
    – GK ? Handanovic
    – ST – Falcao
    – RW – Sterling
    – CM – to replace Mikel – Ki Sun

    – Utd
    – GK – Cillisen
    – RB – Clyne
    – CDM – Song
    – CM – Gundageon/Schneirdelin
    – ST – Cavaini

    Citeh
    -CAM – Barkley
    – ST – Kane
    – ST – Higuain/ Lacezeta

  95. Wallace

    re signing older players – i think the issue is more that players who come to the PL and thrive are usually in the 20-25 range. i’m sure there are one or two who buck the trend, but there aren’t many who come over at 27/28/29 and do well.

  96. Carts

    “but there aren’t many who come over at 27/28/29 and do well.”

    I think that’s more to do with re-sale value in mind as opposed to the fear of failure. But I can see why it doesn’t happen often.

    However, when we look at top teams signing ripe player as opposed to mid-table teams, the quality gulf will inevitably be different. Thus leaving scope for said player probably do better.

  97. tunnygriffboy

    Wallace

    Do you not think Vidal would adapt ? He’s a biggerr nastier version of Sanchez with same work ethic. Obviously not as skillful but is not without football ability

    Problem is Coquelin. He’s been so good that a direct replacement would end up with one of them on the bench. Hence the search for someone who can do the Coquelin role but can be used in a different way as an alternative. I actually thought Coquelin showed a very good passing range and linked expertly on Saturday. If he can improve these aspects of his game then he’ll be some player.

  98. Carts

    “– Arsenal
    – GK Begovic
    – CM – Schnedierlin
    – CF – Lacezzetta/Higuain/Pedro

    – Chelsea
    – GK ? Handanovic > second fiddle to Courtois????
    – ST – Falcao > looking possible
    – RW – Sterling > 50/50 with Arsenal I reckon
    – CM – to replace Mikel – Ki Sun > I can see the logic though I haven’t heard of any rumours

    – Utd
    – GK – Cillisen > for mooted price would be silly. Neto and Handanovic are better
    – RB – Clyne > looking possible
    – CDM – Song > LOL NO
    – CM – Gundageon/Schneirdelin > Looking probable
    – ST – Cavaini > 50/50

    Citeh
    -CAM – Barkley > with Yaya, and the Fernando’s still there I highly doubt it
    – ST – Kane > I can see the logic though I haven’t heard of any rumours
    – ST – Higuain/ Lacezeta > I can see the logic though I haven’t heard of any rumours

  99. Carts

    – Arsenal
    – GK Begovic > would be a good signing though Handanovis and Neto woud probably be more straight forward.
    – CM – Schnedierlin > 60/40
    – CF – Lacezzetta/Higuain/Pedro >I like all 3 though

  100. Wallace

    tunny

    yeah, i think Vidal would be fine. like Drogba he’s made for the PL. agree with you re Coquelin, and that’s why i think a player like Ki – who can do both sides of the game – is more likely than a player like Schneiderlin.

  101. gambon

    Vidal would be excellent, fail to see how he wouldnt improve us.

    That said :

    firstly he definitely had a “down season” compared to the last 2. Hopefully at 28 his best 2-3 seasons are ahead of him, but remains to be seen.

    Secondly it would be a weird signing because where does it leave Ramsey, Wilshere and Cazorla?

    Cazorla has been very good this season, Ramsey and Wilshere are both chomping at the bit to get that central role. So why sign someone that would relegate all 3 to squad roles? I have nothing against doing that in theory, but I think Wenger does.

    I woudl say that unless one of them 3 is being sold, we are not signing a CM.

    A DM is a bit different because Coquelin cant play every game, and it definitely isnt 100% that he is good enough to play at the top level. Not to mention that even if he’s the new Makalele, it would be suicidal to only have one DM.

    We have Flamini and Arteta, but the former isnt good enough and the latter is physcially shot and only still around cos Wenger likes him as a person.

    I would say the only type of player we would realistically be after is either another DM to compete with Coquelin, or a physical runner to replace Diaby.

    If you look at Vieira, then Diaby who was only purchased 6 months after Viera left, its pretty obvious that Wenger likes powerful midfield B2B runners.

    We cant afford Pogba, so we have to rule that out.

    I would say we could well be looking at:

    Schneiderlin
    Xhaka

    For fairly mainstream DM/deep passer role. Or

    Imbula
    Kondogbia

    For B2B runner role.

    Either way I think Coquelins emergence has ended any chance of players like Krychowiak or Bender arriving, as they dont have any different qualities.

  102. Emiratesstroller

    Wallace

    I have absolutely no argument about Arsenal buying Vidal who is a very talented footballer playing currently in starting X1 of Juventus who are consistent league champions in Italy and now finalists in Champions League.

    However, Arsenal do not think like Man Utd,Man City or Chelsea who are willing to gamble on mature players and pay over the odds for privilege.

    Arsenal’s finances are different. The club will always consider the potential downturn if the player does not work out and needs to be sold. When you buy
    a mature player you are not just considering the transfer fee, but also the wage bill.

    You need just look at situation with Podolski. This is a seasoned German International and World Cup Winner. Frankly he is not good enough now for our squad let alone first team. In normal circumstances it should not be difficult to sell him and get a fee of between £8-10 million, but because of his wage
    bill that is highly unlikely. You will be lucky to get £2 million and may be have
    to loan him out again and pay a proportion of his wage bill.

    That is why I would also sell Walcott. If you do not do it now you could land up with millstone around our neck and have a player in a couple of years time who is unsaleable because of the wages, his performance level and injury record.