Wenger won’t sign £60m players | Jack banter shocker

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Whoooooaaaaaaa… someone pinch me. Was my headline yesterday about Wenger and tactics?

Jeez, it totally was!

So surreal!

Did that really happen? A game totally bossed with smart tactics… tactics that weren’t just smart… tactics that were dynamic.

What a day! I think that’s the first Cup Final I’d ever dealt with where the post match commentary was the worry that the press would rip us for having it too easy.

I wanted to go into a bit more detail about some of the performances on the day, because it really was a joy to take that 90minutes in.

I thought Coquelin was absolutely fantastic. He was a monster out there. Whereas Gilberto was the invisible wall, Coquelin is the visible bulldozer. He’s such a dominant presence. His ability to read the game and his lack of desire to bomb forward has given us a really solid base to work from. He’s a powerhouse, he really stood out for me against Villa.

Theo Walcott really raised a few eyebrows with an interesting performance. Through the middle he was pretty blunt for the first twenty minutes, but his strength comes with the fear he instills with his pace. I still can’t quite work out how he’s going to own that central role, but in a front three of players who are interchangeable, well, he showed what he can do. Superb movement throughout. That finish was stunning considering how out of the game he’s been and that it was on his left foot. I’d be surprised to see him leave the club now. A bit Thierryish after the Champions League final.

The keeper had a very good game as well. I very much have my doubts Ospina could have so easily dominated his box, purely based on size. Chezzer had a very calm game. That said, I still think if Petr Cech is available, we should be in for him. I’m a bit worried Wenger has a thing for the Pole and he won’t be ruthless with his decisions there.

Santi Cazorla had another tremendous game. I wasn’t sure that he was man of the match, but he’s certainly been an integral cog in the winning machine we’ve crafted in 2015. Big questions over whether he’ll stay on in the summer. Ultimately, he’s the wrong side of the thirty and we have Aaron Ramsey coming into the prime of his career. It’d be sad to see someone of Santi’s ability to leave the club, but if he wants to go out with a bang at the highest level, he might try and slink back to Spain now.

I also thought Ozil had a brilliant game, probably my man of the match. He’s the quiet conductor, pulling strings and people out of position. It’s really difficult to truly appreciate him when you sit in the lower tier. At Wembley, I was up in the sky, so I had a full afternoon of watching the beauty of a game in full swing. Really is a totally different experience.

Bit of a shame all the Villa fans left before the game was finished. That wasn’t very sporting. I’m sure Hull hung around last season? Great to see all the players having so much fun. I don’t know if anyone else noticed the Wembley Mascot trying to steal the limelight? Really was looking to Gunnersaurus to deck him. I couldn’t even work out what it was… a horse shaped like a hammer? Whoever he was, he was a wanker.

The celebrations for the parade were pretty amusing yesterday. Jack Wilshere caused all sorts of controversy, by, you know, connecting with the fans in a language they understand.

‘I’ve got one more fing to say…’

‘WHAT DO YOU THINK OF TOTTENHAM’

‘SH*T’

I thought it was absolutely brilliant. He was off his face. He reminded me of Liam Gallagher. He did exactly the same thing last year without half the nonsense.

I’ve had people telling me it lacked class. It wasn’t responsible. ‘What would the kids think’.

Look, most kids play Grand Theft Auto, have an addiction to hardcore porn by the time they’re 11. Can access the most disgusting things imaginable at the flick of a switch. Kids are pretty fucked up.

OMG

OMG

If you think your child is going to be mentally scared by hearing a footballer say the word ‘shit’… you’re raising a very soft child not fit for modern day society.

Jack is having fun with the fans. He’s an Arsenal boy. Talk about class? Jeez. This is football people. Arsenal fans baost incredible class. On the way up to the game, I was chastised for picking up the wrong bottle of whisky. Total scenes because all the off license had was Jack Daniels. Point is, that friend who was demanding Woodford Reserve was singing the Spurs song. No one will be digging him out about class. Because it’s football. You put class to one side and you’re always allowed to banter Spurs fans and tell them the truth about their club.

The press need to get a sense of humour and so do Spurs fans. A Spurs fan demanded people call the police to complain about the incident. Spurs… a club that allows its fans to sing peado songs at Arsene Wenger / sing about Sol Campbell being a homosexual… complaining about player banter at an Arsenal fan only trophy parade. Get a f*cking life.

Onto Arsene Wenger, he’s already out talking about who he’s not going to buy (asked about Paul Pogba).

“We have not spent that kind of money,”

“People forget that for years we had to sell our best players and that was a very difficult period. That is the reality. Since we buy again, we slowly come back to a more competitive level. You speak maybe about stratospheric numbers where we will not be involved – not at that level – for financial reasons. It’s simple.”

Come on Arsene, we spent £43m two years ago on Ozil. Premiership football is what, 5% inflation a year? That takes us to roughly £48m. Throw in the new mega TV deal money? There’s no way we can’t compete in those leagues!

Anyway, the point is, no one is asking us to sign Paul Pogba. We do need players though. Wenger wants cohesion.

“We have to show that next season and we want to do it,”

“I feel that we have moved forward and people think always it’s about buying but it’s as well about cohesion, and cohesion is a very important factor that is a bit underrated usually by people. We have to keep that cohesion and maybe add quality. But the quality we have to add is in short numbers. But the other teams – how good will Chelsea be? Who will they buy? I don’t know.”

I don’t think there’s any doubt that we’ll add quality to the side this summer. I don’t think it needs to be a major overhaul. I think we need to make sure we keep the right players, lose some of the players around the peripheral and most importantly, keep doing what we’ve been doing.

The most important thing we can do  is maintain the fitness work we’ve been doing this season. We need to have a summer of proper, uninterrupted preparation. If we add two or three players this summer, the real killer move we could make next season is by keeping everyone fit. That’s been the massive improvement in 2015. Having a squad to choose from. Well, when I say squad, I mean having a starting 11 we can pick week after week.

This summer is going to be fascinating. We need some smart purchases. I’m not sure there’s going to be a mega signing, but I think there could be a push for some experienced talent. I still think we’ll end up with James Milner. Him, a defensive midfielder, maybe an inside forward and a keeper.

That’d be brilliant.

Let’s see what happens there!

Final bit, as we close of the season. I just wanted to say thanks for hanging around this season. Blogging has been a sideline this season due to life stuff going off in the background, so I appreciate your patience and the fact you come back everyday (especially the nutters in the comments section).  There’s not going to be much to write about this summer, but I’ll be rounding up the transfer goss everyday, so make sure you tune in! I’ll also be bringing in other writers to help with the workload.

Have a good one, enjoy taking smugness to new leves this morning. x

Walking in just in time! #arsenal

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  1. Marko

    CA forgetting Wenger and his flaws throughout the years and not putting too much into what he always says re transfers but signing 35 and 42 million players the last two summer’s and winning two cups on the bounce shouldn’t we be a little more confident and less pessimistic about this summer’s potential dealings? I’m pretty sure we’re not signing the likes of Pogba yes but I’d be pretty confident of Schneiderlin, Cech and a forward

  2. gambon

    “And despite this, you’re in peak physical form at the moment are you ?”

    And the Chelsea players are all fucked are they? If the answer isnt “yes” then your point is redundant.

  3. Redtruth

    Arsrnal fans are so simple
    They should be calling for Wenger’s head if Arsenal don’t win the title next season not soppy words like “i don’t know where we will finish next season” lol

  4. Relieable sauce

    Of course we need to develop players but Arsene & his staff have come up short in that department.
    There’s a very long list of players whose development could have gone better at AFC.
    Its good for us that Southampton & Swansea dont have the same resources & pulling power as us, as they would likely use them. as it stands we can just keep skimming off their best potential & “develop” them into super quality : /

    …Perhaps the club does have a strategy??? Treading water the easy way.

    The Suarez bid…nah surely not…

  5. Nasri's Mouth

    gambon: And the Chelsea players are all fucked are they? If the answer isnt “yes” then your point is redundant.

    No idea about Chelsea, but using yourself as an example when you’re not involved in a physical trade nor can you prove you’re 100% is your normal pile of BS isn’t it ?

    Utterly stupid example

  6. Cesc Appeal

    Marko

    I hope so, I really do.

    I don’t have anything against Arsene Wenger, you know to the point some people do where they would rather us not win the EPL to be vindicated. Not in the slightest.

    I want to see what’s best for this club. I really hope you’re right, because we are closer than we’ve been to something special for the last decade, we’re missing 3 key players in the starting line up I think and we have the money to get them.

    I just don’t believe Wenger will do it. He’s a nearly man I always think, he always ‘nearly’ delivers a great side, ‘nearly’ does something special in this second half of his reign.

    I think a great GK, a great CDM/CM and a great ST and we would look as good as anyone, I firmly believe that. Just as firmly, I don’t think Wenger will add those vital parts, he would much rather give players on the books a chance.

  7. Willow Wilson

    gambon and Chelsea Thomas

    Yes he is a brilliant manager:

    3 x PL Titles
    2 x PL Titles and FA Cup Doubles
    1 x The Invincibles -(the only Manager to go unbeaten)
    6 x Fa Cup Wins
    2 back to back FA Cup wins
    18 Consecutive CL qualifications
    Never finished below 4th position
    Never finished below 2nd pre-stadium move
    Helped navigate the club through a stadium move and a period of austerity without losing our CL status.
    Delivered breathtaking, attacking football
    Helped create the Legend that is TH14

    Yes we had some challenges and some embarrassing results, especially during the stadium move and the arrival of the Oil clubs canvassing our best players. Beating him up over that period of difficulty and austerity is a bit rich, if you are going to deliberately ignore what he did when he had more freedom.

    He is a brilliant manager who we should be hugely grateful to. I have no doubts that these two FA Cups are just the start, none whatsoever. This bloke is that good.

  8. Keyser

    Yeah Chelsea or Citeh’s advantage is down to post season tours, where we had an FA Cup final anyway.

    We haven’t caught up on the pitch yet and with FFP being relaxed we’re unlikely to.

  9. Carts

    Willow & NM

    See, I’m no don when it comes to finance, but when you consider this being from 2008:

    “As of 31 May 2008, Arsenal had £93m in the bank. £31.5m of this is held as security to service the debt over the bonds and cannot be touched”

    That left us £62m circa to effectively spend..

    and we’re now in 2015, a whole 7 year gap, and Wenger says:

    ““People forget that for years we had to sell our best players and that was a very difficult period. That is the reality. Since we buy again, we slowly come back to a more competitive level””

    I smell bullshit somehwere…

  10. Keyser

    “There’s a very long list of players whose development could have gone better at AFC.”

    RS – Based on what ? This is as silly as the people who say ‘ooh we’re soo close’ ‘We’ oly need this or that’..

    The only reason we’re close is because of Wenger spending time developing players or buying smartly.

  11. Ozy

    A one week post-season tour that nobody will be interested in after a long season against low-tier opposition in some random part of the world where half of our team will be rested and kids will play in their place is EXACTLY what we need and a HUGE reason we’re so behind Man City and Chelsea.

  12. Bamford10

    Willow

    Regarding this period of time in which “we had to sell to balance the books,”‘ when Wenger sold Fabregas, Nasri and Clichy in 2011, the club reported a profit of £49m.

    A profit of £49m.

    That’s not “balancing” the books, that’s money-making.

    And only £17m of that £49m came from net player sales. The other £32m was operating profit. So it looks to me like we didn’t need to sell to balance the books. We sold in order to make a massive and handsome profit.

    Further, wasn’t the (relatively limited) money we had available to spend on signings and wages affected in part by Wenger’s “socialist” wage bill, whereby squad players were paid far more than they would be at other clubs? Had we not had this unusual pay scale, might we have been able to afford the salaries of the best/better players?

    I imagine so.

    Now we are flush with cash. But let’s see what Wenger does this summer with it. Like many here, I suspect he is going to stick with what he already has, because as always, he wants to show the world that he can win without spending, or that Giroud, Walcott and Welbeck are better than the world thinks, etc.

    If he takes this approach and we fail to compete for the title next season, will you criticize him? After all, he’ll be leaving cash on the table and there are certainly players out there who could improve us.

  13. gambon

    “Gambon, can you please explain how a post-season tour that lasts one week help us financially in a significant way? And again, I emphasize, in a significant way.”

    Are you kidding me?

    These tour promoters pay PL teams big money to tour, sometimes £3-4m for a single game. A team will pick up £5m+ just for a quick overseas tour.

    Secondly by touring you promote your brand to new fans. There is an arms race going on for overseas fans right now. Chelsea have done an amazing job of growing their global fan base, which can then be leveraged into £££,

    Now see if you understand this…

    More money = better players (bigger wagebill) = better team = success = more cash.

    Last year Chelsea earned £36m more than us from commercial income

    If you think £36m pa wouldnt make a huge difference to us right now youre crazy.

  14. Keyser

    Carts – Read Swiss Ramble from 3 years ago, let alone back then.

    Or just compare our wagebill the to now, it’s probably doubled, but like you say you’re no financial don.

  15. Bamford10

    Good post, Carts. I have long wondered what that amount of cash is that we have to carry as part of the debt agreement. Apparently it’s £30m. Thanks.

  16. Marko

    History would show you’re probably right but I hope to see some quality additions again this summer. Serious progress the last two seasons let’s keep it going this summer

  17. Cesc Appeal

    Marko

    Exactly.

    Fingers crossed, net spend of £64 Million last summer I believe…so I really hope I’m totally wrong and Wenger shocks everyone, because we seriously are that close, just a few buys.

  18. gambon

    Ozy

    Read the below numbers then tell me that Chelsea, City etc are wrong, as you seem to be implying:

    Man Utd £190m
    Man City £165m
    Chelsea £113m

    Arsenal £77m

    That is an absolutely embarrassing gap.

    So like i say, are Chelsea wrong to be doing post season tours?

    Why are we so far behind them?

  19. daz

    Cesc I know over the years Wenger has given time to players who weren’t up to it but you have to give them time to find out, he has changed in recent years though bringing in proven players alongside the developing players I think the balance in the squad is there now in terms of experience/youth.

  20. Keyser

    Bamford10 – Citeh offerered to Quadruple Nasri’s wages, Fabregas forced his way out. They didn’t want to be at the club anymore.

    – We had to sell. We sold 65 million pounds worth of players to turn a profit that wouldn’t even come close to replacing those players.

    – The payscale wasn’t unusual at all.

    – We are not flush with cash, unless you mean relatively to ourselves in the past, which is silly anyway, with FFP being relaxed.

  21. Carts

    Keyser, you fruit, why not post the link then?

    But again, you want me to go back to 2012, when the article, from 2008, almost confirms my suspicions on inconsistencies spewed by Wenger.

    Again I’m no don, but at the end of 2008 financial year, if we have £93m in the bank, with £31.m set aside for debt reason etc, doesn’t that tell you we could’ve spent £60M on pretty much anyone?

  22. Cesc Appeal

    daz

    As I said to Marko I hope so, we’re missing a few vital parts yet and we need to turn to the market for them I think, not look internally.

  23. Willow Wilson

    gambon:

    So you want to send all our players off on a post season tour using this incredible piece of insight and scientific fact: “I work 60-70 hours per week, and havent had more than a 2week break since I was 23.”

    Lol and Lol. Now you know why I cannot take anything you say seriously.

  24. gambon

    Go on then keyser,

    Without talking in your usual riddles, explain why we are so far behind these teams OFF THE PITCH?

    Explain why UTD, City and Chelsea average £75m per season more than us in commercial revenue.

  25. Dissenter

    Post-season and Pre-season tours are going to be a staple now. It is already worked into every contract at Chelsea and Man City.
    That’s the price of being big globally.
    Global travel isn’t as stressful because extract a private jet assigned to them as part of the deal. It is not as if 10 days of global strolling in a first class seat and 5-start Jacuzzis are going to kill these over-pampered stars.

    As usual, we will get there rather too late due to Wenger’s conservatism.

    The next time Keyser and the usual moaners of the Nouveau riche being able to afford the best players, I will be quick to cite the extra 10-20 million they earn from these tours.
    When they out-bid by 5 million for a player we really need, it could be from their hard earned money from doing tours, not the largess of the billionaire owner.

    They are out-thinking us and out-working us for revenue. I believe that is the point gambon is making.

  26. Ozy

    “Last year Chelsea earned £36m more than us from commercial incomeIf you think £36m pa wouldnt make a huge difference to us right now youre crazy.”

    You’ve failed to connect how a post-season tour would increase our commercial income by a substantial amount – therefore your entire issue about how far behind we are because we aren’t on one right now is misleading. I understand that we’re behind these teams when it comes to commercial revenue and we’re falling behind when it comes to global outreach but a post-season tour is not the solution.

    Man City played in the U.S. against one team, Toronto FC – I think everybody involved knew the absolute irrelevance to that. Whereas we won an FA Cup in the meantime. I believe the latter does far more for brand awareness than the former.

  27. Dissenter

    *Global travel isn’t as stressful because clubs extract a private jet assigned to them as part of the deal. It is not as if 10 days of global strolling in a first class seat and 5-stars hotel Jacuzzis are going to kill these over-pampered stars.*

  28. Redtruth

    Wemger has NEVER won a European trophy.
    Wenger has been sacked twice in his managerial career.
    Wenger is s tactical imbecile.
    Wenger is profligate with players salaries.
    Wenger inherited George Graham’s winning mentality backfour.
    Wenger did not sign Arsenal’s greatest ever player.
    Wenger has never won back to back league titles.
    Bergkamp not Wenger was responsible for Arsenal’s success.
    Wenger has turned Arsenal in to a Cup team.
    Wenger has tarnished Arsenal’s image in Europe.
    Wenger has the record for an Arsenal manager 9 years without a trophy.

  29. gambon

    “You’ve failed to connect how a post-season tour would increase our commercial income by a substantial amount”

    Erm no Ozy, i have done exactly that.

    Now I want you to explain to me why we are so far commercially behind our rivals?

  30. Dissenter

    Ozy,
    Do you think City traveled all the way to the US in May for free. It is not just about brand awareness. They get paid by organizers to show up.

  31. Carts

    The reason were behind isn’t cos going on these tour(s) will tire our player – regardless of a cup final or not -, it’s cos Wenger fucking hates them. Period.

    We used to fuck off to an Austrian farm playing an austrian 11 that consisted of brain surgeons, uni lecturers and architecht ffs. So fucking shite they were that Eurosports just about aired the games.

    Someone, I’m guessing Gazidis, forced the issue hence why were not cycling around the austria/swiss border anymore. Now we’re in vietnam playing against allstar 11s

    Going all that way to Austria, to prepare, and lose to Birmingham City and Bradford in cup games was fucking embarrasing and damn right pretentious.

    Not going to Asia and America, meant we lagged behind, evident till this day. Hence why we’re paying catch up ffs.

  32. Ozy

    “They are out-thinking us and out-working us for revenue. I believe that is the point gambon is making.”

    Okay, well this is something I can fall behind on. Chelsea and Man U, even Man City now, are doing everything right when it comes to global outreach, brand awareness, and increasing their commercial revenue – in a lot of ways that we are far, far behind of. I just failed to see how a post-season would help us be in equal footing but I understand that it’s a step in the right direction.

    The thing about post-season tours is that there’s very little interest behind them. A team that just finished its season, failing to or winning a major trophy (both go a long way to ensure their fans’ disinterest in the following), without any new players to show off … I don’t see how that would command the same level of interest pre-season tours do, and the same level of revenue.

  33. SomeRandomGunner

    @gambon those were disastrous results.
    But do you think many other manager would have consistently achieved 3-4 in BPL ?
    Klopp is a good manager but his teams hit the peak and start declining and he leaves. I would say he is at least good may not be among the best.

    Only Fergie was able to build many successful teams .

  34. Byo

    Every new day is a new argument to bash the Arsenal board with!
    Today it is revenue generation and post-season tours.
    And scores from games from 2 seasons ago are still being trotted out to justify any arguments too.

    Le Grove comments never cease to amaze and amuse.

  35. Nasri's Mouth

    gambon: Erm no Ozy, i have done exactly that.

    LOL, no you haven’t.

    You’ve pointed out that 3 other sides have higher commercial revenues than us

    You then make the massive jump that this is entirely or substantially linked to the fact we’re not doing a pre-season tour WITHOUT EVER considering there might be other variables involved.

  36. London gunner

    Ozy question time.

    If pre season tours aren’t improving Chelsea’s global outreach, what is?

    I doubt it’s the type of football they play, so do you think their global success is purely down to their success on the football field? Rather than the marketing department.

  37. Dissenter

    Keyser,
    Even if you adjust for over-inflated pseudo-contracts that City get from Etihad to promote tourism, they still work harder than us to make revenue.
    Dont forget that they ate contractually bound to go the gulf in January.
    Yes, they get the Sheikh’s largess but they work harder; post season, pre-season and mid-season tours.

    At the very least, we have to do pre-season tours for more revenue. Bigger clubs with more money e.g Bayern, Barca and Real all do it.
    Why shouldn’t we?

    It’s like the move to the Emirate’s to compete better. We have to also do tours to close the gap.

  38. Carts

    “Man City played in the U.S. against one team, Toronto FC – I think everybody involved knew the absolute irrelevance to that. Whereas we won an FA Cup in the meantime. I believe the latter does far more for brand awareness than the former.”

    Where did winning the FA Cup get Wigan & Portsmouth???

    Ozy, it’s naive to think that going abroad is an irrelevant act, especially when you’re talking about EPL team. This isn’t Getafe or Freiburg were talking about here!

    City have effectively planted themselves in the US and Oz by way of the affiliate teams they now have .

    **I DON’T CARE ABOUT HOW THEY GOT THOSE TEAMS, KEYSER, COS IF IT WAS ILLEGAL THE FBI WOULD BE RAIDING FC NEW YORKS OFFICES AS WE SPEAK**

  39. Willow Wilson

    Byo
    It’s just a couple of the usual trolls stirring it up like gambon, to be fair.

    It is funny how winning a trophy seems to act as a catalyst for mud slinging at the Club and the Manager. Anyone would think Wenger winning the FA Cup has upset some people. Bizarre indeed.

  40. Arsene's Nurse

    People taking about finances without realising that the bank balance has risen every year.

    http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Arsenal

    How can we have been financially constrained when our bank balance has gone through the roof?

    People use this as an excuse to praise Wenger. The simple fact of the matter is Wenger has always had money, he’s simply chosen not to spend it or try to challenge for the title.

    We should be looking to off-load the dross which will bring some cash in and spend around £80m bringing in the players we need. The money is there, in fact there’s more than enough money.

  41. Keyser

    gambon – Lol at OFF THE PITCH, you fucking cretin, they have a billion pound debt.

    If all of that’s gone ON THE PITCH, all it means is that they could afford to fuck off round the World because it wasn’t detrimental to the squad.

  42. London gunner

    What really is apparent is what a useless fuck kroenke is.

    The man should be aiding us with the conquest of America. He already has enough resources in terms of power, influence and connections on US soil.

  43. gambon

    “I just failed to see how a post-season would help us be in equal footing but I understand that it’s a step in the right direction.”

    Its one of many things we should be doing.

    “I don’t see how that would command the same level of interest pre-season tours do, and the same level of revenue.”

    Do both….this is the whole point im trying to make.

    If Chelsea are doing X, we should be doing X+1

    “They are out-thinking us and out-working us for revenue. I believe that is the point gambon is making.”

    This sums it up perfectly. I can see numerous teams that are clearly trying harder than us. We are just copying these teams but lagging 3-4 years behind. That will never yield success.

    We need to start innovating, not copying.

  44. Nasri's Mouth

    Dissenter: Even if you adjust for over-inflated pseudo-contracts that City get from Etihad to promote tourism, they still work harder than us to make revenue.

    Do they ? Can you actually prove this ?

    Or do you think sponsors look at the club, and think that given the amount of money that is flooding into the club from their ‘over-inflated pseudo-contracts’ they are likely to be successful and therefore worth sponsoring ?

    (I’m not saying you’re wrong and I’m right btw, just that you’re making an assumption that I’m not sure you can back up)

  45. Mayank

    In a few hours of the post season tour the discussion has been elevated to a 10m issue. City and Chelsea combined haven’t earned more than we’ll get for Tommy v in a week.

    City and Chelsea are doing these tours to build a fan base. Both have an almost nonexistent fan base here in the states. I’m not saying it’s something that arsenal won’t profit from long term but as for the amount of money generated right now you are all grossly overestimating.

  46. gambon

    Sorry Keyser

    I thought you may actually have a bit of knowledge about this stuff.

    I was wrong.

    Back to your pointless and perpetual arguments it is.

  47. gambon

    “City and Chelsea combined haven’t earned more than we’ll get for Tommy v in a week.”

    So you are advocating selling our players as a sustainable route to success?

  48. Keyser

    Dissenter/Carts – So we can’t compete on the pitch, so we should travel around the World, collating money until we can ? Lol do you understand what cyclical logic is ?

  49. Willow Wilson

    You lot are idiots. Total idiots. gambon, carts, bamford, almost the lot of you.

    You complain when players are unfit and fatigued, spending months on here moaning about this subject. “Why doesnt Wenger rotate, why doesnt he rest players, our players are overplayed” etc etc etc etc……………………..etc

    Then you want a post season tour!

    Lol.

    So stupid you don’t realise that while other teams have a post season tour, we were in England playing in an FA Cup Final. Which we won in brilliant fashion.

    An FA Cup Final some of you moaners have tried to discredit as expected.

    What a bunch of hypocrites you moaners are. You no more believe in what you are arguing then in father Christmas or the tooth fairy. This is all about you venting because our great Manager has proved you all wrong and won a second FA Cup on the spin. Its made some people very unhappy, which is very funny and very telling.

    At least byo, Keyser and Nasris Mouth have sanity on their side (and I never thought I would say that about Keyser).

  50. Ozy

    “City have effectively planted themselves in the US and Oz by way of the affiliate teams they now have.”

    LG, this one’s for you too:

    A pre-season tour is imperative in trying to capture a new market. There’s a substantial interest in them because of the lack of football for months, new players, young and exciting players, etc – what I fail to understand is how a POST-season tour could command the same level of interest to have a significant impact on our commercial revenue and brand awareness.

    How successful do you guys believe Man City’s North America tour was? They played against one team, won 1-0, and basically fielded their young players and some back ups. That was it. Will this have a huge impact on both their revenue or brand awareness? I doubt it.

    However, pre-season tours do in many ways. Other strategic actions such as Man City’s NYCFC sister club and their continuing involvement with that club as well. Post-season tours? I’m not too sure.

  51. Keyser

    gambon – Yeah, just like you explained Variance to the masses.

    Chelsea, United, Citeh have deeper squads, because they’ve spent more money on accumulating talent, they suffer less disruption, have bigger stars and greater success to promote themselves to begin with.

    We can’t compete on the pitch, so we should go on tours until we do ?

    It’s cyclical logic.

  52. Carts

    Keyser

    Stop winding me up lol

    I posted an article, 4 years older than the link you sent,about how we effectively had £60m to SPEND. But your rebuttal is our wage bill has increased.

    You do know that goes without saying right? I mean, wages going up is an inevitability. So-and-so signed a 4 year deal at £40k pw, after 3 years he gets a 3 year ext’ and wage increase to £60k. Okay…

    My point pertains to Wenger saying:

    ““People forget that for years we had to sell our best players and that was a very difficult period. That is the reality””

    The man made no mention of wages whatsoever. We didn’t sell to balance the wage book. We sold cos the money was too good to turn down; and where we should’ve of either been offering 5 year deal, and looking to extent after 3 years, we offered 4 year deal then got butt-fucked when there was only 1 year remaining.

  53. Mayank

    “We need to start innovating, not copying”

    I suggest that for every week where we don’t have a fixture all the players are required to do party appearances in full kit for the rich and famous. Nothing strenuous, just show up do a few keepy-uppies and a rainbow flick. The appearance fee will be half of their weekly wages. I estimate this should give us an extra 10-20 mil to play with per season.

  54. Nasri's Mouth

    Willow Wilson: At least byo, Keyser and Nasris Mouth have sanity on their side (and I never thought I would say that about Keyser).

    The issue is that we’re making a big argument out of post season tours when we know neither of the following:

    1) how much extra revenue is directly attributable, both in the present and in the future

    2) what detrimental effect (if any) this will have on our players fitness

    Unless we know these and compare whether one is worth the other, it’s bloody pointless

  55. Keyser

    It’s just plain stupidity.

    Supposedly half a billion people watched the FA Cup (back in 2013, not sure this year) worldwide.

    gambon and assorted plebs have spent years talking about how success on the pitch drives success off it.

  56. gambon

    Willow

    You are nothing butter a Wenger cock sucking cunt.

    You have no, i really mean no credibility on here.

    You think the fatigue problem is down to overseas tours where the players play for about 90 minutes combined each?

    or maybe the 10 hours high intensity work they do in training every week? Or the lack of rotation that has been present for 10 years?

    Im pretty sure a low intensity kickabout in Australia is the last thing that causes these issues.

  57. Ozy

    “The man should be aiding us with the conquest of America. He already has enough resources in terms of power, influence and connections on US soil.”

    This I agree with too. The U.S. is a massive emerging market for football – something it wasn’t a couple of years ago. It’s quickly growing in popularity and teams like City and Chelsea have acknowledged that and have acted accordingly.

    We’re, once more, falling behind and playing catch up.

  58. Mayank

    “So you are advocating selling our players as a sustainable route to success?”

    Classic straw man as usual gambon. I said that they’re earning way lesser than you’re letting on.

    Also I wonder if Chelsea would’ve turned a profit last season without selling players. Something we stopped doing years ago. Mourinho years behind Wenger as usual.

  59. Dissenter

    Nasri’s mouth,
    “Dissenter: Even if you adjust for over-inflated pseudo-contracts that City get from Etihad to promote tourism, they still work harder than us to make revenue.Do they ? Can you actually prove this ?”

    Manchester City’s contract [for the jersey and stadium] with Etihad is 80 million pounds yearly
    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/jul/08/manchester-city-deal-etihad-airways
    Barcelona is not even on the same level as City in terms of global supporter base and marketability have the same contract with Qatar Airlines; 96 million Euros yearly
    Real Madrid have a 30 million Euros deal with Emirates, similar to what we have. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/30/us-soccer-spain-real-emirates-idUSBRE94T0LT20130530

    Anyone could see that at the time the Man City deal was announced in 2011, a club that had gone without a domestic league title for 34 years should not have been commanding that type of sponsorship deals.

    Is your question about out-working us for deals?
    The fact that they put themselves through the grind of pre-season, mid-season and post-season tours answers that question.

  60. gambon

    “Chelsea, United, Citeh have deeper squads, because they’ve spent more money on accumulating talent, they suffer less disruption, ”

    City have a 29 man first team squad….we have a 30 man first team squad.

    As always your argument is more about bluster than any facts.

    Next you will start talking about Arshavin not covering for Clichy.

  61. Keyser

    NM – Both those points are pretty weak.

    The extra revenue aspect is silly because we’re already behind on the pitch to begin with.

    The teams above have deeper squads, so pre-season is key preparation time, now if you want to argue, travelling around the World is actually beneficial in such a short span of time, maybe you should try that, but I’d be willing to bet that it’s far more unlikely.

  62. Goondawg

    Clueless Bamford

    “I wonder, then, why the club is officially reprimanding Jack for his language yesterday. Perhaps they too don’t understand the rivalry b/t Arsenal and Tottenham. You should have a chat with them, seeing as you understand the club better than the club itself does.”

    ———————

    Arsenal midfielder Jack Wilshere has apologised on Twitter for singing anti-Tottenham Hotspur songs during the club’s FA Cup trophy parade.

    The Gunners have already confirmed they will not be taking any action against the England international.

  63. Willow Wilson

    gambon
    “Willow You are nothing butter a Wenger cock sucking cunt”.

    Butter…..??

    Nice language mate, you brave Internet hero . I guess you realised you lost that argument.

    Post season tour for a week to earn multi millions, lol. Chelsea and city have to do it, they don’t have our fan base. You can invent whatever numbers you want, you have zero credibility with this argument, hence why you resort to abuse. I will remember this the next time you lecture everyone about over playing players and fatigue causing injuries.

    What a bullshitter you are and a troll.

  64. Willow Wilson

    gambon
    “Mourinho years behind Wenger as usual”

    Not again, your hero worship of Mourinho is scary. Always slagging Arsenal off but always praising Mourinho. What’s it taste like?

  65. Nasri's Mouth

    Dissenter: The fact that they put themselves through the grind of pre-season, mid-season and post-season tours answers that question.

    Ok, lets put it another way.

    Does it mean they’re more effective than us ? Will they get additional commercial deals at a greater pace than us because they do the post season tours, or is because they’ve won the league twice in a period that we haven’t and if you asked the bookies, they’re more likely to do it in the near future ?

    I honestly don’t know, and I doubt anyone else on here knows what is more important in the mind of a potential new commercial sponsor

  66. Relieable sauce

    The biggest clubs in Europe are going to the US as they did last season, with MU vs RM having a record breaking attendance.
    Pre & post season tours might be a headache for Arsene & his sketchy squad but they are part of modern football & important for the club financially & commercially.
    If his squad cant deal with it then perhaps he should improve it.

    IG should be taking these decisions out of his hands if its not already the case.
    & contract renewels.

  67. Dissenter

    Kesyer,
    I thought we moved to the bigger stadium to increase revenue?
    Guess what smaller teams with smaller stadia are still earning more legit revenue than us.

    Why so?
    They go everywhere the money is. Surely, any business manager can see that with there’s money to be made by just showing up and shaking hands.
    The only reason why we aren’t doing it is, Wenger. The board respects him and will kowtow to him until he leaves.
    Wenger doesn’t want tours and does not seem to be interested in competing with the Chelseas/Man Citys for players, so they board keeps mute.

    When Wenger leaves, we will join the party…by then we will be too far behind.

    The stadium advantage we have is being blunted by the teams that aggressively do tours. It’s probably better because those teams don’t have to keep asking you local supporters to pay extra-ordinarily high ticket fees.

    Does anyone think we’ve garnered any advantage by staying away from tours. Will Chelsea or City be weaker, next season because they did tours.

    Hell NO!

  68. Nasri's Mouth

    @keyser

    My point is that people on here are arguing for and against something that they can’t quantify either the pros or the cons.

  69. Carts

    “The extra revenue aspect is silly because we’re already behind on the pitch to begin with.”

    Keyser wtf does this even mean?

    It’s like the corner shop bloke, granted he can never compete with Tesco Metro, but is hanging in there, decides to stop selling Coca Cola cos…FUCKING WAIT FOR IT…he’s already behind on revenue.

    How you fail to see what benefits a – post or pre-season tour – can do for you financially is fucking naive.

  70. Nasri's Mouth

    Carts; How you fail to see what benefits a – post or pre-season tour – can do for you financially is fucking naive

    I think we all agree that a tour, post or pre season will have financial benefits, but how large they are, and how quickly they will be realised are the questions

  71. Keyser

    Dissenter – Not from their stadiums they aren’t, I know you like to plead ignorance and pretend football started this season, but Sorry mate you can’t.

    Again your argument is silly, are Chelsea/Citeh ahead of us because they did tours ? No. Let that sink in.

  72. Keyser

    Carts – Lol are Citeh/ Chelsea ahead because they did tours ? No, wtf are you on about ?

    Teams went on Post season tours, we played in a FA Cup final watched by hundreds of millions, go figure.

  73. Dissenter

    Nasri’s Mouth,
    I’ll give you an example of the conservative and almost lackadaisical approach to broadening our revenue base.

    Of the eleven regional corporate partners that Arsenal have listed on the website, two are Nigerian; Sterling bank and Airtel [which is Africa’s biggest mobile company]
    Arsenal is incredibly popular in Nigeria and were supposed to fulfill a contractual obligation by visiting Nigeria to play ONE game with the national team, The entire country was agog with anticipation until it was cancelled late.
    http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/arsenal-postpone-pre-season-game-in-nigeria
    Nigeria is Africa’s biggest economy and there’s some money to be made there. Moreover, this was a contractual obligation. There’s talk there might be litigation at some point.

    Arsenal have still not announced the time of the rescheduled trip three summers after wards. When the Manchester city’s and Chelsea travel to Thailand. it’s borne out of aggressiveness to be at the top.

    Please don’t tell me we are aggressively trying to grow our revenue. We are doing the barest minimum.
    What we have is the least that the biggest club in London with a recognizable brand should have.

  74. nigel tufnel

    good points by dissenter

    ozil today would cost much more.. sanchez is now worth alot more, and we did well obviously laying the ground work ahead with him and barca .. we are buying wisely, which we have to do, because we’re not using oil money …

    so each of the last 2 summers that the budget has opened a bit, we bought a world class player… but gambon still complains and wishes we had bought erikson for 11 mil instead of the best cam in the world., then says Wenger wont do what it takes…

    make up your mind please.. i know you will now find some little loophole to explain that away, but we all know the truth..

    just like those who complained of trophy drought, then after 2 fa cups, say we will never be able to win a title…. until we do..

  75. Thomas

    “Mourinho years behind Wenger as usual.”

    ____________________

    Hahahahaha “as usual”. Wenger is Mourinhos little bitch.

  76. Dissenter

    Keyser,
    You certainly haven’t been following the conversation openly.
    Is it entirely due to tours? NO
    However some of their commercial income comes from tours, which we don’t do. so that’s money we will never have.

    The problem is that you ascribe every single thing to oil money which is not so.
    It’s like a start-up; the investors pour massive seed money to get it going and also get very good management to strategically plan for the future.

    Did City and Chelsea get a bolus investment, Oh YES.
    Are they killing us with legitimately broadening their revenue bases, since then? Yes! Yes! Yes!

    You are pathologically focused on the former, that’s a problem.

  77. Keyser

    Dissenter – You have a mental block, one follows and perpetuates the other, you can’t escape it.

    Are Chelsea going on tours because it’s specifically the most important thing to their club’s well being on the pitch ? No, it’s because it’s taken them 10 years to turn even close to a profit and the investors are either getting antsy or really don’t want to be pouring more money into the club.

    What are you struggling with here ? We don’t have a as strong a squad on the pitch, and you’re saying we should concentrate on areas off of it ?

    Do you not see how this is silly ?

  78. carts

    NM

    Come on now, semantics much??

    A team.like Arsenal, who for years pleaded poverty while Abramovich doped, his pet toy, Chelsea, to stardom, neglected Asia and America in favour of Austria in the name of what exactly?

    Now ppl are actually questioning the benefits of post season tours or better yet, there worth behind it?like, really?!

    Ok, we could almost be excused as we just won the fa cup consecutively. But I highly doubt we would’ve went regardless. Wenger is on record saying he dislikes them…not cos they’re financially illogical, but cos he feels they’re physically taxing. I guess he’s never flown First class or stayed in a presidential then.

  79. daz

    I would say concentrate on getting the team ready for next season is the priority, we host the Emirates cup every year how much PR and revenue does that bring compared to a tour? So we are doing things others don’t?

  80. carts

    Keyser

    I’m not going to pretend that tours is the reason why city and Chelsea can buy 3 x £30m players in 1 summer, as that would be dumb.

    But its as if you’re insinuating that neither should go as they have history of giving zero fuck to FFP.

    We played in front of millions, cool? But as a figure how much did we actually get of that? Winner gets what…£4m for winning the fa cup, tv revenue, gate receipt up on till the QFs (depending if you’re home of away) so all in all, what £5.5m? Circa???

    But hold on we played in front of an audience in the milions, so how come we aren’t getting more???????

  81. gonsterous

    Wenger has done well, can’t argue with that.. but moving forward I don’t see how he is the right man for the job.. he has huge flaws and I prefer a manager who is out to get results rather than trying to be a father figure to some 16 or 18 year old !!

  82. gambon

    Keyser

    Your whole argument is redundant when you consider Man Utd have still been the dominant club in the PL for the last 10 years.

    Man Utd havent been “doped” – they have grown their revenues through hard work and leveraging their fan base.

    How does that all start? Surely I dont need to tell you.

    Man Utd were hard at work touring when Wenger was cycling through the Austrian woods.

    The net result of their hard work is commercial revenue that was £110m more than ours last season.

  83. Willow Wilson

    If you want proof about Arsene Wengers desire for success, look at his reasons for not taking part in a post season tour. This is about football over PR and as a fan that’s all I care about. The fatigue and injuries at the start of last season may have prevented us winning the league, who knows. after the World Cup last season, the players need a proper rest and we can afford our players that now.

    From the Telegraph:

    Arsene Wenger has labelled post-season tours “a nightmare” after convincing Arsenal to scale back their summer plans.

    Arsenal have no post-season games and have planned a relatively light pre-season schedule. Wenger’s team will only play two friendlies outside Europe – in the Barclays Asia Trophy in Singapore.

    Arsenal had also looked at playing another game in the Far East or in India, but the early August 8 start to next season meant manager Wenger did not want any more travelling.

    Wenger revealed he voted against the early kick-off, saying: “Let’s not forget they voted to start early in August this season. That is a bit of a nightmare when you think you start on August 8; some players are still playing on June 21 in South America and June 14 in Europe.

    I don’t see where you go from there to give the players a proper rest. It is impossible.

    “I opposed the early start because I preferred to play one more game over Christmas, because everybody has the squad that can deal with it and give the players a real rest in the summer. You have had no rest in the winter anyway and now the decision is no rest in summer either.”

    Arsenal played post-season games in 1999 and asked whether he is a fan of end-of-season tours, Wenger said: “No, no. A post-season tour is a nightmare.

    “In pre-season you have the players under pressure with the focus of starting the season well. A post-season tour, I always feel people come along to watch but the players are half on their holidays.

    “It is a relaxed atmosphere with none of the intensity of a pre-season game. Maybe it is a holiday tour and good to have a relaxed atmosphere together.

    “But from a purely football point of view, there is not much meaning – let’s be honest.”

    On Arsenal’s mini two-game tour in Singapore, Wenger added: “I’m pleased with that because pre-season is always difficult if you cannot prepare well.

    “It is difficult to satisfy the commercial pressure, but you want as well to find a compromise. We cannot ignore any more the worldwide reputation and I would say it is more PR than finances.

    I would love to go to India personally because I have never been with a team. It is a country that opens to football, but we could not find a way. We looked into it.”
    Asked whether Arsenal could benefit next season from their light schedule, Wenger pointed out that it could be crucial.

    Wenger said: “I hope we can benefit, yes, because in recent years I was always worried that we had a qualifier for the Champions League”

    At the end of the day Arsene Knows Best,he’s a professional football manager and coach. It doesn’t matter how much guessing all the amateurs do on here about whether or not a post season tour, the fact is we aren’t doing one. Personally, that’s good news.

  84. Keyser

    gambon – How did it all start, this is why you’re a cretin, I’ve told you for years, United benefitted massively from SKY, because as English football came back from it’s European ban, and the Inception of the premiership, we’ve been playing catch-up since the early 90’s.

    That’s got fuckall to do with Wenger.

    Even then there’s a myriad of other reasons. Like they were actually able to extend their stadium to 70 or whatever thousand capacity, when we were still struggling to work on plans.

    Lol at my point being redundant, when it was United alone, even with their advantage we were playing catch-up quite well, we still are.

  85. carts

    “Man Utd were hard at work touring when Wenger was cycling through the Austrian woods.”

    Keyser knows this all too well. Both he and willow are either stupid or the same person.

    Those summer camping sessions to Austria were fucking lame. Nonsensical and financially irrelevant.

    Cue the clever cunt about to tell us that it was due to high altitude as to why we managed to achieve 4th spot

  86. Keyser

    Carts – “But as a figure how much did we actually get of that? Winner gets what”

    Like NM said maybe you should spend time working it out.

    It sounds like you’re about to cry, and you don’t really have a reason.

    I mean what are you soo upset about ?

  87. daz

    The fact is commercial revenue is best achieved through success, utd have built their brand through success, so for us to catch up off the field we need to be more successful on it so we need to use what resources we have wisely to add to our team, win a title or CL and I’m sure the sponsors and tours will increase

  88. Keyser

    “Cue the clever cunt about to tell us that it was due to high altitude as to why we managed to achieve 4th spot”

    Lol now you’re getting rude again, you really are a child. Sorry, wait..

    You mad Bro ?

  89. Nasri's Mouth

    Dissenter: Nigeria is Africa’s biggest economy and there’s some money to be made there. Moreover, this was a contractual obligation. There’s talk there might be litigation at some point.

    Wasn’t it cancelled due to safety concerns ? If there was going to be litigation it would have happened by now.

  90. carts

    Willow

    Wenger has more than enough power to decide where we play. He mentioned commercial pressure as a proponent, but at the same time he conveniently discarded the fact that with commercial pressure comes money.

    I don’t think he had Nike, Dreamcast, 02 on the blower asking him why he wasn’t with the squad in the USA…why, cos admittedly, we received very little from them by way of sponsoring.

    Now we start accumulating sponsors and affiliates and we end up in Asia. I’m surprised we haven’t been summoned to Dubai along with AC Milan and Hamburg ffs.

    Same Wenger who cant seem to find a reason why our players drop like flies but at the same time will rarely rotate and when he does he waits for the magic 69th minute.

    Do me a favour.

  91. carts

    Lol Keyser you’re rebuttals are weak. Honestly, I don’t know how your boyfriend puts up with you.

  92. Nasri's Mouth

    Carts: Come on now, semantics much??

    It’s nothing to do with semantics. If we’re going to do post season tours, don’t you think it’s worth doing some assessment as to how big a gain we get from them.

    Is it £1, £1m, £10m £100m?

    Do we see the figure immediately, over 5 seasons ? over every season for eternity?

  93. Nasri's Mouth

    gonsterous: he has huge flaws and I prefer a manager who is out to get results rather than trying to be a father figure to some 16 or 18 year old !!

    Who would you suggest?

  94. Keyser

    carts – You sound hormonal.

    So pre-season/post season tours are great with no downside ? That’s your argument ? and you’re going to stamp your feet until people agree, again.

  95. Dissenter

    Nasri’s Mouth
    “Dissenter: Nigeria is Africa’s biggest economy and there’s some money to be made there. Moreover, this was a contractual obligation. There’s talk there might be litigation at some point.
    Wasn’t it cancelled due to safety concerns ? If there was going to be litigation it would have happened by now.”

    No, It wasn’t cancelled due to safety concerns.
    Per Mertasacker, Sagna and Podolski were sent at the time to assuage he sponsors.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2180943/Arsenals-Bacary-Sagna-Lukas-Podolski-Per-Mertesacker-dancing-Lagos-Nigeira.html
    If there were “safety” concerns, why send them
    Arsenal cancelled it for logistical reasons, whatever the heck that meant.

    Its not as if we have loads of corporta esponsirs like United.

  96. daz

    What I would like to know is why do people who believe Wenger never spends the money that is available to him care so much about a tour that in their eyes will gain money that Wenger won’t use?

  97. Nasri's Mouth

    @Dissenter: No, It wasn’t cancelled due to safety concerns.

    I’m sure I read something at the time that safety was the actual issue and that quoting ‘logistical’ reasons was being polite, which seemed a bit weird as all the logistics had actually been sorted out.

    It doesn’t alter my point though, that comparing ManC’s commercial revenue with ours is tricky because of the other variables.

  98. Dissenter

    Keyser,
    No one is arguing that there are no downsides to these tours. I’ve brought it up to get you to realize that your bogey men; the nouveau riche are also very hardworking, often times they work harder than us.

  99. Dissenter

    I just pointed it out to you that it was cancelled because Arsenal FC botched it.
    There were no safety reasons. If there were, would Sanya et al have been sent over?

    There might not be litigation because Arsenal will settle quietly. That’s what will happen. I believe we are too classy for that.

  100. Mayank

    With all this talk of garnering a fan base you have to look at this and wonder.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/22/football/premier-league-twitter-world-map/

    Arsenal do fuck all in the name of off season tours, know little about commercials and success has eluded us for a while. Yet all over the world arsenal have a way larger following than you would expect. Sure we haven’t monetized it well but the support is there. Which is half the reason for these activities.

  101. Keyser

    Dissenter – Like I said you have a mental block.

    Are these tours more important than on the pitch success ? No, fuck No, ot even close.

    What are their downsides ?

  102. Nasri's Mouth

    Dissenter: I just pointed it out to you that it was cancelled because Arsenal FC botched it.
    There were no safety reasons. If there were, would Sanya et al have been sent over?

    Even if it was down to the logistics of planning it, chances are that it was people in Nigeria who ‘botched’ it.

    And as for safety, don’t you realise there’s a big difference between a whole squad playing in a stadium and 3 players in a press conference ?

    Dissenter: There might not be litigation because Arsenal will settle quietly. That’s what will happen. I believe we are too classy for that.

    Or possibly there was no litigation at all…

  103. Dissenter

    Carts,
    Leave Keyser alone with circular arguments.

    Arsenal FC is only waiting for Wenger to leave before they jump right in.
    Wenger doesn’t want it, so they board will keep mute. They can keep raising ticket prices, that’s the easier option for them. So long as he doesn’t come knocking on the door for mega-signings , they will bow to him.

    Kroenke wont let money walk away from the table, ultimately.

  104. carts

    “Have many other teams visited Nigeria ?”

    Wtf is this supposed to mean? Furthermore, what does it have to do with anything??

  105. Keyser

    “No one is arguing that there are no downsides to these tours.”

    “Arsenal FC is only waiting for Wenger to leave before they jump right in.”

    Lol Dissenter, because the next manager loves these tours despite the downsides.

    You’re a child to.

  106. Keyser

    “Wtf is this supposed to mean? Furthermore, what does it have to do with anything??”

    Because if there were safety or logistical problems we could make a comparison. Duh.

  107. nigel tufnel

    Sorry to be politically incorrect,

    Bug i dont want our boys going anywhere near Nigeria or most of Africa for safety reasons.. there are insane suicidal murderers who love headlines all over the world, so why go right to the
    hot spots?

    If you all want to be open minded, take
    a trip to Nigeria and advertise ahead of
    time, so boko haram can plan
    something special for you.. and dont
    forget your girlfriends.
    I remember even in south africa, the planes of arriving teams were surrounded by troops for safety .. check the videos.

    Not the most pleasant feeling.,
    lets stick to safe tours, as much as we can.

  108. Dissenter

    Nasri’s mouth
    You think you might have read about “safety reasons”
    Can you google it up and post it.

    I am telling you for a fact there weren’t. All you’re coming up with are innuendos that don’t have a iota of truth behind them.

    Do you think Arsenal will endanger three players with families if there was any grounds for their safety?
    There haven’t been litigation because they postponed it and promised to reschedule. They have a window period to proceed.

    I only gave that example because I know people that worked on the trip who were flabbergasted at how a professional organization could be so crass.

    If you know the safety concerns you keep repeating, post them.

  109. carts

    Dissenter

    Keyser should go into politics, if he already isn’t into it. He brings a whole new meaning to the word ‘swerve’.

  110. Keyser

    “I only gave that example because I know people that worked on the trip who were flabbergasted at how a professional organization could be so crass.”

    Finally, surely they’d be able to come up with some guesses as to why it was postponed then ? ffs you had this source all the time and you deliberately decided to spew spurious arguments instead.

  111. Nasri's Mouth

    Dissenter: I am telling you for a fact there weren’t.

    “FOR A FACT”

    I didn’t realise you were employed by Arsenal and know these things.

    A quick google brought this up

    http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/sport/2012/07/06/arsenal-cancel-nigeria-tour

    which says there were reports at the time saying it was down to safety

    Interestingly though that piece also says that the Nigerian Football Federation general secretary ‘was fine with’ the Arsenal explanation. You’d have thought that if litigation was involved he wouldn’t have been fine at all would you ?

  112. tenerife gooner

    Ozil had tears running down my face,the mans an Artist.Off to Germany tomorrow few a few months ,The wife ist Deutsche.Taking my German Shirt ,with Number 8 Gooner on the back.She tried to tell me I have spelt it wrong ,should be Gunner,YES DEAR.Pedro if you had seen Al Pacino in The Scent of a Women,,He asks his Valet for a John Daniels,Sir I believe you mean Jack Daniels.When you have known him as long as me Son its John.

  113. Willow Wilson

    carts
    Unless you are some expert in commercial marketing and brand building in football, excuse me for disagreeing with you. This is nothing about you wanting a post season tour or understanding the financial benefits or otherwise. Wenger did not want a tour so automatically you are on the attack. If Wenger had taken us on a tour, you would be complaining about the lack of rest for the players.

    Shame you can’t seem to find the same enthusiasm to celebrate our FA Cup win, the second on the spin and second trophy since we started spending money.

    Instead, the First working day after winning the FA Cup and the girls on here are burning their bras. Get over yourselves, why does it always have to be about your egos and your disappointment that your nemesis Wenger has won two trophies?

    The problem with this blog is its original intentions. The chap Pedro seems to write some sensible content and to be fair he really enjoyed the FA CUp win, unlike some of you bizarrely. But this was nonetheless a protest blog against Wenger. Some of you have fallen into the trap of becoming brainwashed with hatred, its like a cult. As such, you have taken in a lot of misfed information and are spouting a load of cobblers, to convince yourselves you were right. You weren’t then and you aren’t now.

    Instead of looking at the positives, everything for you is negative. Winning trophies is no good for you, if they were you would be celebrating two back to back FA Cup wins and the team performance on Saturday, instead of moaning about a tour FFS.

    Your hate for Wenger has so clouded your support of Arsenal that nothing we achieve while Wenger is manager will suffice. If we won the treble next season, you would find something to moan about, probably the fact we decided not to go to Outer Mongolia or Uzbekistan, Wenger got a new coat or Diaby became youth team coach.

    You moaned about fitness. You moaned about injuries. You moaned about lack of rotation. But you want to send us on a post season tour?

    We had a shocking start to the season. Some freak injuries, some due to fatigue and players at the World Cup. The first 12 games cost us 17 points. We cannot start a season like that again. There is no WC and no CL qualifier but the season starts earlier. This is our best chance to give the players a proper rest and have a FULL pre-season. Shad can work with the players and we can start the season positively. Why risk that with some PR exercise straight after a long season and an FA Cup Final?

    The FA Cup Final was beamed all over the World. Success in itself is good PR. We don’t need the same brand building as teams like Chelsea and Man City. Look at the number of people at Chelseas parade. Embarrassing. They bought success but its not so easy to buy fans.

    What we need is a major improvement in the fitness of our players and a good season where the players can practice with their team mates. We never had that.

    Success on field means a good start to the season and if ducking out of some PR tour gives us an advantage, so be it. You can burn all the bras you like but until you get that huge chip off your shoulders about Wenger, you will be forever trying to defend straw arguments and getting things wrong.

  114. GoonerDave

    I completely disagree that we should be comparing our commercial revenue with either of the oil money clubs. There are just too many unknowns and variables within clubs where an owner has the wealth to essentially sponsor his own team via a 3rd party.
    Manchester United should be the benchmark for our commercials. They have built legitimate deals on sustained success. And we are way behind them, unfortunately. I think our commercial revenue was about 80 million last year, United’s a whopping 185/190. Well over double. We have certainly improved recently, but we are still nowhere near them.
    We are at least going in the right direction though, on and off the pitch.

  115. Dissenter

    “Shame you can’t seem to find the same enthusiasm to celebrate our FA Cup win, the second on the spin and second trophy since we started spending money”

    Here comes the Legrove Gunnersaurus, the defender of all things Arsenal!

    We can do both, you know like walk and chew gums at the same time.

  116. gambon

    “At the end of the day Arsene Knows Best,he’s a professional football manager and coach.”

    See look at this terrible comment. It’s like the fucking church of Scientology or something.

    Well Chelsea seem to be happy with post season and extended pre season tours….so what does that tell you?

    If there’s one thing that’s 100% true it’s that Mourinho knows much better than Wenger.

  117. Nasri's Mouth

    Dissenter: We can do both, you know like walk and chew gums at the same time.

    I’m not going to bother checking out your immediate post FA victory posts, cost I believe you ;-), there are others on here that basically ignored the fact we’d won an FA Cup , or at least gave it as much importance as a home win in November over West Brom before immediately finding something at Arsenal to be critical of.

  118. Nasri's Mouth

    gambon: Well Chelsea seem to be happy with post season and extended pre season tours….so what does that tell you?

    They’ve been blood doping their players to make them fitter?

  119. Dissenter

    Jack Wilshere apologizes via twitter; “Apologies if I upset or offended any of u”

    I expect a one paragraph apology shortly, a proper one.

  120. Dissenter

    Nasri’s Mouth,
    We are in silly season right now.
    There’s no competitive football for months, forgive people if they are more pedantic here.

    There will be many similar conversations to the one we’ve just had.
    Just because people argue about they think we can compete better doesn’t mean they aren’t ecstatic that we won on Saturday.

  121. Marko

    If there’s one thing that’s 100% true it’s that Mourinho knows much better than Wenger.

    I highly doubt the post season tours are his idea or if he even gives a shit either way but whatever you need to believe to shit on Wenger and continue your not so secret love for Mourinho continue to do so. But no need gambon to call someone a cock sucking cunt just cause they argue with you. You’re not a scumbag are you

    This place is ridiculous though 2 days after WINNING a cup final and nothing but shite and insults and fear mongering going on. Can we at least wait till July before we flip out over signings and the general state of the club?

  122. gambon

    “What we need is a major improvement in the fitness of our players and a good season where the players can practice with their team mates. We never had that.”

    Your head is so far up wengers arse you probably resemble a Thai hooker at a Leicester city hotel.

    We can’t compete for the league because WE DONT HAVE GOOD ENOUGH players.

    We don’t have good enough players because we don’t pay well enough in a hugely competitive market.

    Why don’t you go to untold? They like to delude themselves that it’s only luck and a refereeing conspiracy that stops us winning the quadruple.

    Why do you think pundit after pundit is coming out and saying we need 3-4 top level players?

    Find me a bunch of guys saying “we just need a god start” apart from your favourite salad tosser Wenger.

  123. Nasri's Mouth

    Dissenter: Just because people argue about they think we can compete better doesn’t mean they aren’t ecstatic that we won on Saturday.

    I agree, that it’s possible to be ecstatic about saturday AND want us to be better in various departments, if only because I fall into that category, but it’s weird that some come on here to be highly critical, yet avoid showing their ecstasy.

  124. Nasri's Mouth

    Dissenter: I expect a one paragraph apology shortly, a proper one.

    Because he said ‘shit’ once ?

    Hmm, don’t think you’ll be lucky with that

  125. Dan Ahern

    Not sure how you argue against touring from a marketing and finance standpoint. The very general factors for growing a fan base are success and exposure. Wenger’s being disingenuous calling a tour “PR”–the implication being it’s not a big revenue generator. But the point isn’t immediate gate receipts. It’s to create more fans, and more loyal fans.

  126. Nasri's Mouth

    I’d say we need better players AND a major improvement in our fitness to compete for the league

  127. N5

    WHAT DO WE THINK OF TOTTENHAM

    SHIT

    WHAT DO WE THINK OF SHIT

    TOTTENHAM

    THANK YOU

    THAT’S ALRIGHT, WE HATE TOTTENHAM, WE HATE TOTTENHAM!!

    Fucking noise being made out of this is unbelievable!! good boy Jack, keep it up!!

    It’s happened again, It happened agaaaaaaain! Tottenham Hotspur it happened again!!

    https://youtu.be/kaE0yTHOg2k

  128. Nasri's Mouth

    Dan Ahern: It’s to create more fans, and more loyal fans.

    I wonder how much actual effect it actually has when you turn up with a bunch of reserves and U21s (at best) to play in front of a crowd that have already had a season full of football.

    No doubt it’s a gain, but how much is debatable.

  129. Nasri's Mouth

    @N5

    To be honest, I blame the fans, when Wilshere asked them what they thought of Spurs, they should have used a non-offensive term, then he wouldn’t have sworn back at them

  130. Marko

    Better players in key areas is where we’ll challenge for the title. Fitness wise we’re right up there but not in the injury department we could improve there of course and I know you can’t be fit if you’re injured but the both separate. But yeah better players in key areas is the way forward

  131. Dan Ahern

    NM — It’s probably one of the best ways to engage fans, actually. Worldwide fans don’t have the opportunity to meet these players or see them up close on a weekly basis. For a lot of them it’s even a sacrifice to wake up at fucked up times just to watch on TV. I understand it’s easy to be jaded about these things but imagine especially for younger fans this is a big deal. Friendly exhibition or not, having the team in your backyard is pretty cool.

  132. Dissenter

    We need better players in the squad, not just in the first team.
    Anyone that’s questioned the importance of having good players should just see what Ozil and Alexis do routinely.

    Which is why we might have missed a trick with Sammy Khedira. He should still have three years left on those knees. On a free transfer, he would have been great.
    He has the experience at club and country level. He would have given us that Ozil-type boost.

    But first either Arteta or Flamini have to leave; Flamini’s contract ends in June 2016 while Arteta’s role is to lift trophies he didn’t have a role in winning.
    I remember when we mocked John Terry here for dressing up to lift trophies he had little role in winning.

  133. N5

    I agree NM, silly fans with a silly rivalry getting Jack in trouble. Thank god he didn’t sing “my old man, said be a Tottenham fan, I said Fuck Off, Bollocks, you’re a cunt”!

  134. Dan Ahern

    I think there’s really no debate about touring’s effectiveness. The only debate is how much you want to do, versus how much you want to focus on training, teamwork, and freshness.