Cup final on the mind of Arsenal players

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One of my friends invited me to sit with him yesterday.

As my #GoonerFam deserted me, it was a pretty easy decision to go and hangout in the clouds for a game. Amazing how much more of the performance you take in when you have a view higher than row 12.

Pregame was mostly littered with whisky and tequila. Anything to take the edge of the boredom I was pretty certain was coming.

The game isn’t really worth going over.

Sunderland strangled the middle of the park like their Premiership survival depended on it.

Arsenal played like a team with a mind on the cup final and not getting injured.

Wenger mentioned post game that we might have had a bundle of shots, but he didn’t feel we’d score. I get where he’s coming from there. It was a really weird night.

Tactically, I felt we were a touch dim. The more their bunched through the middle, the more we’d try and play through the middle. We didn’t seem to be too keen on hitting the wings, despite having more space there.

We had some great chances, but we seemed 5% off pretty much everything… player sharpness wasn’t there and we didn’t really click. I thought the introduction of Theo added some spice. He looked fantastic on the ball and he looked far more attuned to the team than Jack did.

I don’t think there’s much point in picking the team apart. Bayern are on a losing streak at the moment. When there’s little to play for, players shut down, especially when there’s a cup final in the offing.

One thing that was quite upsetting is that the manager didn’t rotate, then he complained after his players were tired. We’ve come a long way this season, but the manager is still prone to being a bit of a dunce with things like that.

I think the only other piece of interesting news to report was that I called someone middle class in the lift for eating a salt beef bagel… then ate one after. Highly recommended if you’re coming in from the Holloway Road side.

Third is ours, bar a terrible 7 goal swing at the weekend. Now it’s all about the cup final, because the West Brom game is going to be dull as dishwater!

Have a blast, see you in the comments.

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  1. TitsMcGee

    Last night game was pretty shocking, the atmosphere was flat. team was flat and bereft of ideas, and as for Wenger, dont get me started!”

    It’s okay. It’s natural to switch off after you have accomplished as much as the club has this season.

    (lol)

  2. Dissenter

    Le Prof,
    “Le ProfMay 21, 2015 12:41:30
    dissenter‘I try telling people wearing Chelsea clubs in my neighborhood in Maryland,’Of course dissenter Im sure the Chelsea shirts in Maryland are everywhere you look… far more popular than the NFL, NHL and Baseball shirts obviously”

    You obviously don’t have a clue about football [soccer] in the USA. Amongst many in the upper middle class, soccer is probably more popular that the typical sports you regard as more American.

    Go to a typical upper scale shopping mall and there will be more soccer shirts than NHL, NBA or NFL shirts. There’s a socio-economic dispersion for sports here in the states. There are certain people who are more likely to support the NBA, NASCAR etc.

  3. Dissenter

    Le Prof,
    “‘Now, that explains it better. It was Gibbs, so no suprises there.’Did you watch the game dissenter?”

    Yes, I watched the game. Gibbs was his usual below-par self.
    …and what was your point, again?

    Its so typical of you to take things out of context.

  4. Le Prof

    carts

    ‘Hmmm…if you say so..’

    If you opened your eyes while watching the game, it was pretty obvious.

    Why was Defoe playing left back most of the game?

  5. Ozy

    Gotta agree with Dissenter. Especially with the college crowd, or young adults, you will see a lot of football jerseys. It very much depends on demographic.

  6. Keyser

    “Despite football’s titans dominating the best paid clubs ranking, when you look at leagues as a whole, the National Basketball Association (NBA), cricket competition Indian Premier League (IPL) and MLB all have higher average yearly salaries than any football league.

    This means that there is far greater “inequality” within Europe’s top football divisions compared with the more “egalitarian” US sports’ leagues.”

  7. Le Prof

    dissenter

    ‘You obviously don’t have a clue about football [soccer] in the USA.

    You obviously don’t have a clue about football.

    ‘Amongst many in the upper middle class, soccer is probably more popular that the typical sports you regard as more American.’

    So what you’re actually saying is American pussies play football?

    ‘Its so typical of you to take things out of context.’

    And very typical of you to offer absolutely nothing apart from being a cross between Captain obvious and Captain clueless.

  8. TitsMcGee

    10th highest wage bill in the world(all sports).
    8th highest wage bill in the world(football).

    Hardly anything to show for it. Has to be seen as underachievement by anyone not wearing AKB shades.

  9. TitsMcGee

    We aren’t that far behind in terms of average wages.
    Just pointing that out.”

    LOL

    Don’t think he noticed TBH lol

  10. Keyser

    Dissenter – Yeah because we play in the most lucrative league in World football, read the article, the split between top to bottom, is 5-1, Man City spend 5 times what Crystal Palace do on wages, but it’s the fairest split in Europe.

    You could also look at revenue, 14 Premiership clubs make it into the top 30.

  11. Dissenter

    Le Prof,
    My mistake, I thought I could engage you in a conversation.

    “American pussies” play football
    I guess British vaginas play rugby, because we all know the historical tidbits about how football used to be perceived in the British society. For example, why did Margaret Thatcher detect football fans so much. Wasn’t football supposed the be for the working man in British society historically while the elites played Rugby.

    You’re a knob, a funny one I have to say.

  12. useroz

    “Cup final on the mind of Arsenal players”

    Let’s not make excuses for poor performance. It’s not as if they took a sip of coffee, pondered about the final before doing tippi tappi.

    And the sad part is Sunderland did not park the bus till 75-80 min. In fact, Sunderland could have scored; they played classic counter attack. What’s wrong with that?

    Wenger can’t rehash the same excuse dished out after the Chelsea game surely. Well, tired legs?? Oh please. You had almost the entire fucking squad and chose to play these 11.

    Lack of tactical plots costed us games like these. No tired legs. Someone remarked how manure used to raid /squeeze the opposition under Fergie and usually get goals. We simply have no such mindset and still ‘expressing ourselves’ and ‘being patient’….

    “Wenger mentioned post game that we might have had a bundle of shots, but he didn’t feel we’d score. I get where he’s coming from there. It was a really weird night.”

    Another excuse from Wenger. If we have no. 1 striker like Giroud, and a bunch of CM/AM who don’t /learn how to shoot, sure. Gibbs pretty much through near 6 yard box and not take the shot and cut back to nowhere?? Would that not a coaching issue?

    Btw, where do they hide the right pegs of Gibbs and Wilshere?

    Ok, you decided not to start Walcott to ease him in or whatever excuses. But on after 68″?? At least gave him a half hour esp he’s rusty and all, i thought.

    Final or not, this simply isn’t the squad to challenge (lest win) PL titles.

    What Henry, et al said these days about needing 3- 4 players reflect just another round of stating the obvious – you/ we/ media /the world had been saying about DM, GK etc in previous years. Wenger is so full of himself and won’t listen.

  13. qna

    Unreal the comments by Raheem’s agent. Talk about going scortched earth. I have a feeling Liverpool are going to hold on to him until January to avoid setting a precedent. Suarez pushed his way out by going Hannibal Lector and now Raheem is trying this.

    The poor kid really has a poor support system around him. He needs a new agent for starters and that agent has to to strong enough to tell Raheem and his family to keep their mouthes shut – as well as keeping his own mouth shut.

  14. Alfie

    QNA –

    Insane comments from Sterlings agent.

    You have to wonder what’s going through his mind. All this could have been played out behind closed doors.

  15. Dissenter

    Keyser,
    I dont disagree with you about the PSG’s Man city’s and Chelsea.
    My point is that it’s not as if we are paying peanut wages either.

    I really thinks it ties into a general discussion about how wealth is acquired.

    We, Arsenal acquired our wealth, the old fashioned way of making right choices, denial of immediate gratification and patience,
    The Man City, PSG and Chelseas are the Anna Nicole Smith’s of the world. Meet a feeble 80 year old billionaire, f**k his brains out until he dies from exhaustion and cash out from his revised will.

    Ultimately, wealth is wealth. It doesn’t matter whether it’s a lazy heiress inheriting it or a entrepreneurs like Bill Gates or James Dyson.

  16. Keyser

    “You have to wonder what’s going through his mind. All this could have been played out behind closed doors.”

    Maybe they’ve seen how Liverpool played Suarez, and are starting early.

  17. Bamford10

    Play nice, gents.

    Le Prof is right that it was a bit impossible to miss how defensive Sunderland were.

    It was, at the same time, impossible to miss how inept and tactically clueless we were re how to attack such a set-up.

  18. Le Prof

    dissenter

    ‘My mistake, I thought I could engage you in a conversation.’

    Don’t bother your too detached for anything relevant or meaningful regarding The Arsenal.

    Yep the same rugby they play WITHOUT pads or helmets…..

    Rugby – a thugs game played by gentleman’s
    Football or Soccer for you dissenter – a gentleman’s game played by thugs

    You’ll of never of played or had the privilage of seeing grass roots football upto semi pro and the lower leagues, if you did you’d know what I meant by a gentleman’s game played by thugs.

    It’s all blood and thunder and there’s none of this diving about and I’m positive that you upper middle class Yanks would run a fucking mile…

  19. Dissenter

    qna,
    “Unreal the comments by Raheem’s agent. Talk about going scortched earth. I have a feeling Liverpool are going to hold on to him until January to avoid setting a precedent. Suarez pushed his way out by going Hannibal Lector and now Raheem is trying this.The poor kid really has a poor support system around him. He needs a new agent for starters and that agent has to to strong enough to tell Raheem and his family to keep their mouthes shut – as well as keeping his own mouth shut.”

    Actually, his agent is well regarded and was just standing up for him.
    The bullying of Raheem Sterling has got to stop. Liverpool released their media hounds on him for leverage.

    Jamie Carragher, publicly stated that Raheem should “SHUT UP AND PLAY”. Isn’t that a tad condescending.

    Liverpool are the ones who have been using a scorhed earth approach from the beginning. They have been trying to put the genie back in the bottle but it’s too late. He’s leaving. It is called player power.

    I want someone to stand up to them for the way the bluffed their way through Suarez’ contract. That clause [40 million + 1p] was there all along.

  20. Keyser

    Dissenter – Chelsea are 1 billion pounds in debt, I thought Abramovich had waived their debt, or that it couldn’t possibly have been that significant, they pay no interest on it.

    I’m really not sure why you point it out, it’s a sport, I mean do you still play sports ? Forgotten what it’s like ? I don’t especially blame Chelsea, and there are consequential upsides, but those are slowly disintegrating.

  21. up 4 grabs now

    Breaking news on sky: Press Association understand that Liverpool have cancelled contract talks with Raheem Sterling and his representatives which had been due to take place on Friday.
    Dont think he will be putting in an appearance on sunday they might lynch him!

  22. Relieable sauce

    Wenger in the running for manager of the year???

    Not going to make top 4 with that one I’d say Arsene.

    How do people make these decisions…we started the season with no recognised CDM & TWO CB’s (both of which were exhausted & one had been carrying a fairly serious injury) & then go on to have our worst start to a season since hes been here.

    Imagine if we’d had a functioning squad of players who could be rotated to help avoid fatigue & injury, vary our tactical setup & effect games with subs, drive competition for places, aid in the ongoing continuity of the team….?

    Wenger IMHO has underachieved this season (even if he does retain the cup), as he did last season.
    2nd was up for grabs & who knows how chavski wouldve reacted to a challenge…we’ll never know. Story of another season down at AFC.

  23. Highbury4ever

    ““Cup final on the mind of Arsenal players””
    Let’s not make excuses for poor performance.”

    totally agree with you uzeroz!!

  24. qna

    Alfie. Makes me a little sad for the guy. He is 20 and he might br just feeling a little homesick and shared those feelings. What you do with that as an agent varies from person to person, but the way this Aidy has handled it is ridiculous. Raheem wont sign for Liverpool for “7 or 8 or even £900,000 a week. ”

    What a dagger. Even Sanchez was “close” to signing and wouldnt and the fans are bitter. Imagine this. Liverpool fans are brainwashed onto thinking they are the top clun in England and even right now a move from Pool to Arsenal is a “sideways” step. Imagine how they will take these comments?

    I have a little soft spot for Pool because one of my favourie Aussies of all time is Harry Kewell.

  25. TitsMcGee

    My point is that it’s not as if we are paying peanut wages either.”

    LOL

    That’s the whole gist that seems to fly over his head.

    Yes those clubs pay more(according to this list not dramatically) but is the gap so great to warrant an almost barren decade worth of results?

    Nope.

    But spin doctors will spin.

  26. Wengsdewdrop

    When will we learn how to play against these teams that will only come and park the bus, which is fair enough as what the point and the game meant to them.

    Swansea did it the week before and yet Wenger seemed oblivious to the fact that Sunderland would do the same.

    As for saying the players were tired … who else shouted at him to ROTATE ROTATE ROTATE!!

    I will leave you girls to carry on arguing now …..

  27. Dissenter

    Le Prof,
    It doesn’t take you long to start thinking out of stereotyped boxes.
    I’m and naturalized American who has supported Arsenal since I was eight. I shared a season ticket with someone the last year of Highbury. I completed my schooling in Ireland and lived in London for two years. Unlike many in the states, I have seen football from the European and global perspective.
    Your attempts to stereotype all American”s don’t work.
    The US has a different way of grooming footballers from the get-go. Could it be better, I think so.
    England hasn’t done better than the US in the last two world cups so I don’t understand where the condescension is coming from.

  28. Alfie

    QNA/Dissenter –

    This is it really.

    I think there is a difference between “standing up for the player” and completely ostracising yourself.

    I agree that Carragher is a fucking plum but I wouldn’t like to be Sterling playing against the Pool next season. As a 20 year old kid.

  29. qna

    Dissenter: Actually, his agent is well regarded and was just standing up for him. The bullying of Raheem Sterling has got to stop. Liverpool released their media hounds on him for leverage.

    I agree that Liverpool caused this. I said this on LG months ago that this very situation could happen if the boy is stubborn. The manager saying some like “the boy has an incredible offer on the table” was a bad move by the club. It was pure bullying. But now Aidy has said this:

    “He is definitely not signing. He’s not signing for £700, £800, £900 thousand a week. He is not signing.”

    That is too far. This is a 20 yo kid who is actually at the best club he can be at for his development. He was given his opportunity as a youngster. Backed in by the club and the manager. Made to look good by Stuirriage and Suarez etc etc. This was a mistake by the Sterling camp and I beleive it will ruin his career because he is scrap heap material at City and Chelsea and I think thats where he is now heading.

  30. MidwestGun

    You’ll of never of played or had the privilage of seeing grass roots football upto semi pro and the lower leagues, if you did you’d know what I meant by a gentleman’s game played by thugs.
    ______________
    Le Prof. … clueless xenophobic douche bag as always. So you have been to grassroots football in Brazil , Argentina, Chile and South America then, where all the good footballers come from? Unless you have then your grassroots football means fuck all.

  31. Keyser

    At the start of the year, people were enamoured with Sanchez, he works ridiculously hard, he’s explosive, racks up stats.

    He’s also being given this much freedom, he’s actively been given it by the team, by other players, by Wenger, it’s worked, we’ve had as much upheaval as any other season, but we’re back to a similar position.

    The results you’re seeing now are no different to the reasons we saw them earlier in the year, if you have an efficient team with one player given that much freedom you can cope, you can control and advance that players skillset in measured circumstances, we don’t.

    We have numerous players, we have players who’ve been here 1-2 seasons, players who’ve spent years injured, who are ageing or are too young to have the right experience.

    This is inevitable, earlier in the season, teams were more open, so while they scored first we still have enough energy to break them down and come back.

    Everton took a two goal lead, we drew 2-2, Hull scored 2, we drew 2-2, Tottenham scored first, we came back to 1-1, Citeh took the lead, we came back and then conceded 2-2.

    You could see that we had potential, but weren’t efficient in how we utilised it, and it’s carried on through the season, because once you start like that you’re playing catch up as we have all year.

    I mention Sanchez, because all you see now is him tiring and the team tire with him, because we’ve needed his goals and assists probably more than we’ve needed him to advance the one or two areas that will take him and the team to another level, this is similar to Ozil, Ramsey and others.

  32. Keyser

    Teams in the last few games have sat back deep in numbers, they need a draw or in Chelsea’s case couldn’t help themselves, they won’t play like that all year because you can’t, people who say they could use that at any moment aren’t quite right, because like earlier in the year or as you saw in the second half yesterday we have other options.

    Our problems are pretty specific, it’s about being to control the midfield and transitions to the point where we can patiently pick apart teams who play in that way.

    In the final 3rd, you have to know when and where runners will run, Bellerin’s qualiteh, but he has little experience of these situations, both Sagna, however unambitious you may feel he was, and especially Debuchy had/have that experience.

    Likewise Walcott, it’s like people have forgotten what he is, or what he does, he makes those runs continually, the difference is whether others can utilise him.

  33. Keyser

    “Yes those clubs pay more(according to this list not dramatically) but is the gap so great to warrant an almost barren decade worth of results?”

    Yeah it is you utter plum.

    Juventus have won 4 titles in a row.
    PSG their 3rd.
    Bayern their 3rd.
    Barca/Real have dominated La Liga pretty much since it’s inception.

    We have 3 teams above who can spend that much, 3 teams above us who could match those teams dominance in any of those leagues, but because the Premiership has the fairest split they take turns.

    Read the articles, learn something, post something relevant.

  34. Le Prof

    dissenter

    Didn’t want a biog from you. My original point was, which I thought was pretty obvious, I think you were exaggerating the amount of Chelsea shirts see out and about in Maryland. Simple.

    Midwest

    Fuck off. Missing the point yet again you simpleton.

    It’s rough as fuck playing grass roots, semi pro and lower league hence in England the expression of a gentleman’s game played by thugs. Your buddy informed me its the upper middle class that play soccerball in the USA, a totally different ball game if you like.

    ‘Le Prof. … clueless xenophobic douche bag as always. So you have been to grassroots football in Brazil , Argentina, Chile and South America then, where all the good footballers come from? Unless you have then your grassroots football means fuck all.’

    Now you tell me what you are on about you fucking irrelevance.

  35. MidwestGun

    Le Prof –
    The only thing I see is you trying to justify your own personal experiences as somehow superior or more knowledgeable then Dissenters because of where you live. When in fact the best grassroots footballers come from South America. Did I make it simple enough for you?

  36. qna

    Keyser. Your so full of shit. Why do you argue one thing for the premier league and something else for the champions league. So now you are arguing that we cant compete with City, Chelsea and United because of money. What about Athletico, Juventus, Shalke, Porto etc who all regularly do better than us in the CL.

    We are the 8th richest and have been that or better since 2004. We have been aeeded in the CL group stages which is like a free pass (or cheap pass) to the knockout stages.

    Being 8th richest should make our expected result a quarter final. We are underperforming.

    The fact that you somehow are able to make youself beleive the shit you spout is some kind of effort. Kudos.

  37. TitsMcGee

    Aww somebody is upset.

    I guess because somebody called him out on his spin-doctoring.

    When you always have a convenient excuse then you know something is wrong.

    Our wage bill is not much lower than Chelsea’s/ Bayern’s.

    You can spin it anyways you want. We are MASSIVELY underachieving for a club that is 8th biggest in the world in club football to go a decade without winning our league(not even close).

    Does that mean we should win the league every year?

    Nope.

    Does that mean we should win the league at least once a decade?

    Maybe.

    The excuses are longer for Wenger than your hatred of Americans.

  38. Keyser

    qna – Mate, seriously I’ve tried to explain this to you numerous times.

    We play 38 games in the Premier League, that’s before we add in domestic Cups, at most how many can we play in the Champions League ? 17-19 ?

    Can you count ? Do you think Juventus playing in a far weaker league they dominate, helps them in Europe ? What don’t you understand here ?

  39. TitsMcGee

    Keyser. Your so full of shit. Why do you argue one thing for the premier league and something else for the champions league. ”

    LMAO

    Glad somebody else sees it.

    He sits there and says “excuse Wenger for XYZ” but then does a complete 180 and contradicts himself.

    Just like the whole “we can’t compete because we have X teams ahead of us in the league that have money”

    Bring Athletico Madrid to his attention who have literally the two BIGGEST clubs in the world ahead of them in their league yet they manage to compete once they hired the right manager.

    His response to that? It’s “coincidence” Simeone showed up and won La Liga and got to a UCL final within 5 years. This is the same club that are almost half a billion quid in debt yet the excuses roll on for Wenger.

  40. qna

    Le Prof: Now you tell me what you are on about you fucking irrelevance.

    He is calling you a xenophobe that wouldnt know his arse from his tit outside england where at grass roots they actually develop the majority of the worlds football talent. They focus on playing out from the back, exceptional ball control and tactics. In England they focus on speed and power. There are good things out of the English style, but the end product is still far few and in between compared to other countries like in South America and Continental Europe.

  41. Keyser

    Bayern have the highest wagebill in their league.

    We have the 4th highest wagebill in the Strongest League in football.

    Lol like I said, Read the articles, learn something, post something relevant.

  42. TitsMcGee

    As Jeff(who I don’t see post much anymore) said about a year ago:

    “Wenger is like a deity to most Arsenal fans now”

    It’s really just a cult at this point.

  43. Keyser

    Lol Atletico who hadn’t won a league title in 18 years, who were 500 million in debt because they kept spending money on their team, who have sold rights to almost their entire team to the point where they didn’t own almost any player outright.

    I mean how long does it take to read up about Third Party Ownership, and how the Premier League doesn’t allow it.

    But no, it’s all about AKB’s and doomers.

  44. Bamford10

    Juventus are in the CL final because they are a better team, have better players, are better managed and are better organized than we are — not because they don’t have to work as hard on the weekends.

    This excuse is complete bullshit.

    Further, neither Atletico nor Dortmund are on that list, yet both have won their leagues and reached CL finals recently.

    Has Wenger done either of these things in past decade? Not even close.

  45. Le Prof

    Midwest

    ‘The only thing I see is you trying to justify your own personal experiences as somehow superior or more knowledgeable then Dissenters because of where you live. ‘

    The only thing I see with your defensive nature is your own inadequacies coming to the surface yet again.

    ‘When in fact the best grassroots footballers come from South America. ‘

    Who the fuck even mentioned where the best grass roots footballers come from?

    It was British grassroots v American grassroots and who plays it.
    historically working class v historically upper middle class.

    Again, a totally different ball game the further down our pyramid you go.

    You are so far off the point with pretty much most things, so it’s hardly surprising.

  46. qna

    Keyser: qna – Mate, seriously I’ve tried to explain this to you numerous times.

    You dont understand it. How can you explain it. The circumstances are the same now as they were a few years ago when English clubs did well and actually earnt our 4 places in Europe. That was in the CL not in Europa we earnt and even maintain that 4th CL spot. The other clubs (and even Arsenal for a very short while) were regularly making CL QFs, SFs and finals and even have recent champions United, Chelsea and Liverpool. An all England final etc.

    So what the fuck are tou talking about. Truth is you are talking complete rubbish. The reason English clubs are not progressing is purely and simply the talent they are choosing to buy is inferior to the talent the other clubs are buying. All the successful teams did it with great players. Tactically they are superior as well (eg Monaco vd Arsenal), but its mostly the clubs with the best players are making and winning the finals. Its that simple. And as the 8th richest club we can afford greater players than Juventus, Dortmund and Athletico.

  47. Keyser

    “Has Wenger done either of these things in past decade? Not even close.”

    Yeah the final in 2006.

    …but, but, but, that was 9 years ago, what’s a year between friends.

    Yeah Serie A is as strong as any other league, in fact maybe even stronger now Frosinone and Lupoli are in it.

  48. Relieable sauce

    Rumours that Guardiola is weighing up which Manchester club to join.
    I guess he’s figured out we’re not a serious football club, if he didnt know already.

    Crying shame but I dont blame him, I would steer clear of us as well.

    Bouldy, Dragan or Remi probably await us.
    Still, we have a nice stadium.

  49. Highbury4ever

    ““Is anyone still paying attention to Keyser???”
    Fixed it for you.””

    Bang, excellent lol

  50. Keyser

    qna – “The reason English clubs are not progressing is purely and simply the talent they are choosing to buy is inferior to the talent the other clubs are buying”

    I actually partly agree, the money that allowed English teams to dominate is now being used inefficiently.

    This has allowed a corrupt and toxic, transfer market, we still have to compete within it, which is why you don’t seem to understand.

    As poor as the Premiership has been in Europe in the past two years, it’s still easily the Strongest LEAGUE in World football, it’s not even close.

  51. Le Prof

    qna

    An Aussie telling me about playing English grassroots football. Now I’ve heard it all. Like Midwest you’re an irrelevance and missing the point while you’re at it. You’ve added absolutely nothing to the conversation I was having with someone else.

    You’re way off point. It’s not cricket mate.

    What’s the Aussie grassroots football like? Do you play? Have you ever played?

    Is it easy to get a trail for Bushtucker United?

  52. Bamford10

    Fair enough, Keyser. Wenger hasn’t done either in NINE years.

    Wait, does that actually change the argument?

    No. Wenger is a specialist in mediocrity.

  53. Keyser

    It’s actually worse that you not only have you realised we’re supposedly the 8th richest club in the World, but also understand the Premiership is inefficient.,

    Yet you still can’t piece together how one affects the other.

  54. MidwestGun

    Blsany –
    Ya… maybe. .. tire of the arguement people don’t know football because of where they live and haven’t ” experienced” the game how it should be played. It’s b.s. can a country develop players without them being thugs?
    I don’t know… seems likely that you can. But unless you have experienced every countries development program/socio economic status/ and general culture then I find it incredibly naive to think that yours is somehow better at the club level because you have the biggest worldwide professional league.
    Ummm additionally don’t think Dissenter speaks for the entirety of America. Maybe he hasn’t experienced club league games along the Texas/Mexico border? I don’t know. But he’s correct in saying the US has great spending power in the middle class who tend to have children at the grassroots level and therefore disposable income to spend on Shirts…… most likely Chelsea or Real Madrid /Barca shirts.

  55. Relieable sauce

    Wenger no doubt was a breath of fresh air when he 1st came to the prem. Now he has become a stale reek that wont go away.

  56. Keyser

    Bamford10 – Yeah it does, if you can’t be bothered to count, why should people have to fill in the gaps for you.

    Nothing new for you, just like your argument yesterday.

  57. Carts

    “If you opened your eyes while watching the game, it was pretty obvious.

    Why was Defoe playing left back most of the game?”

    Tbf, Defoe is proper renowned for his defensive ability. Some might say he’s an underrated LB.

  58. TitsMcGee

    Further, neither Atletico nor Dortmund are on that list, yet both have won their leagues and reached CL finals recently.”

    Shhhhhhh.

    Don’t speak too loudly.

    You’d get called a “plum” lol

    Which is a rather pleasant insult I find. Not bad at all 🙂

  59. MidwestGun

    Le Prof –
    The only irrelevance is your attack on people’s current location. And complete lack of understanding of the global nature of football. Carry on in
    Your bubble of stupidity.

  60. Keyser

    midwest – There is a point in there somewhere, people in the actual country live it in a way you don’t, it might not be as sigificant as Le Prof wants it to be, but it’s like me talking about the NBA, or MLB, without having experienced Little League in that country.

    I couldn’t really care about any specific team in those sports, and it annoys me when the Entertainment isn’t what I expect it to be.

    I see those same traits in Tits or Bamford, who refuse to even acknowledge that people experience nuances they don’t.

  61. Bamford10

    Le Prof’s point, I think, was that football is a predominantly working class game in England whereas it is a middle class /umc game in the states.

    This is true.

    As Midwest knows, one of the discussions in the US is whether we’re held back by the comfortable social backgrounds of our best footballers, whether we’d be better if more of our players came from more difficult circumstances where football was their only way up and out.

  62. Carts

    “As Midwest knows, one of the discussions in the US is whether we’re held back by the comfortable social backgrounds of our best footballers, whether we’d be better if more of our players came from more difficult circumstances where football was their only way up and out.”

    Interesting when looked at from that perspective

  63. Blsany

    midwest
    i dont want this to offend people but you do get some “europeans” who think they own rights to football and start talking to you in a condescending way to you just because you haven’t had the privilege to be born in Europe.
    Even though like you said best players come from South america.I personally think this grassroot and too much coaching hinders young players development.That’s the reason we cant produce players like Neymar,messi,Suarez..etc…Regarding U.S and football i am glad to hear about that if that’s really the case…you will go for world dominations just like in most sports 🙂 Don’t sweat it man.

  64. N5

    Is there any study to that effect that anyone is aware of? That (NBA) for example has better players from poverty than it does from comfortable backgrounds?

  65. Keyser

    I think all the American posters on here should be forced to watch 5 MLS games before they’re allowed to watch one Arsenal game.

    Random aswell, also not sure if Montreal count, I thought they had a decent passing game.

  66. N5

    Blsany, its mainly us English mate. It’s because we invented the game that we feel we have the rights to it.

    FFS I live in the town where the inventor of the TV is from so from now on an TV discussion comes through me! fucking yanks think they know tele? what a bunch of fatties!!

  67. Bamford10

    Keyser

    You’re such a fucking moron, not to mention dishonest. The only thing I don’t acknowledge is the merit of any of your tortured arguments. Few here do, actually.

    Not only do I acknowledge that the London or British supporter has a different relationship to the club, I have highlighted this myself, as I did recently re the FA cup and my attitude toward it vs. a Brit.

    What I won’t acknowledge — and for good reason — is the notion that simply because one is a Yank or an Aussie or a South African, one does not know the game like a Brit. This is horseshit. Might’ve been true three decades ago but is no longer.

    Further, plenty of London supporters are just as critical of Wenger as any of the foreign contingent. Where is gambon from? The idea that London supporters would never talk as some of us do is nonsense.

    But you talk little but nonsense, so this is no surprise.

  68. MidwestGun

    Bamford –
    Exactly, how this relates to shirt sales in the US is irrelevant. But Le Prof chose to try and call Dissenter out based on where he lives. But more importantly England does not have the best club or professional system to produce players, no?

    Keyser –
    Basketball is a global game also. I don’t discount you or Karim’s opinion on it. You don’t have to have played at a hoop with no net and a bent rim in St. Louis or NY” to be able to understand it or comment on it at the grassroots level.

  69. Le Prof

    Midwest

    ‘And complete lack of understanding of the global nature of football. ‘

    Its ok mate you just keep educating the world about football.

  70. Keyser

    Bamford10 – Lol are you mad bro ?

    gambon’s a complete pleb, he’s as much about winding people up as he is about talking football, and that says enough because he’s your example, fucking gambon.

    On Le Grove of all blogs, you pick gambon, of all posters, says it all.

  71. MidwestGun

    Haha. Keyser, I have watched more MLS/ Mexican League football then you will ever be able to the rest of your life. And it in no way has any relevance to anything. Let me guess if I grew up watching sad Championship level football. … I’d understand your drivel.

  72. N5

    Well that was very diplomatic of you Blsany, but we do have arrogance when it comes to Football, you can say it!! All English are wankers!! did you hear that everyone Blsany thinks all English are wankers!! he said as much, but in code!! XENOPHOBE!!! 😀 😀 😀

  73. Dissenter

    Le Prof,
    It is because of people like you in English society and the media that the entire football world detest English football.
    Your ignorance is really appalling.
    Football development is different everywhere and even England is trying to adapt good ideas from other places.

    I’m glad American soccer started to look everywhere else from England because frankly, I don’t like what I see from your development approaches.

    I like the place American football [soccer] is at and would’t trade our system for yours right. It is you guys that need to adapt to stay relevant.

  74. N5

    Dissenter, don’t let it wind you up to a point that you go down to the tit for tat level of country insults.

    Hardly anyone in the UK thinks that other countries aren’t relevant, as I’ve said there is an arrogance with some! I’ve heard more than a few times “we invented the game mate”, but its not the majority view so don’t rise to it.

    Don’t forget the club you follow is in England so either your a hipster or we remain relevant enough for you to follow?

  75. qna

    Le Prof: What’s the Aussie grassroots football like? Do you play? Have you ever played?

    Its pretty much based on English grass roots. Which is why I understand acutely its flaws. We have recognised this as a nation and tried to conciously move to dutch system by bringing in dutchmen at the top of the technical direction of the club. This doesnt seem to be working. But we are still working on it. Combining the Aussie mentality that has us punching above our weight in other sports – even in Football and combining it with skill and tactics. We have a wonderful public subsidised broadcaster called SBS who focus on promoting multicultural Australia and my love and education is definately incluenced by them. They have taken the effort to interview and explain to us what they did in France, Germany and Spain. They can actually show when these countries identified problems in their systems and what they did to rectify it. Especially France, leading up to France 98 – Karim could probably tell us about the thinking behind clairfontaine. Germany did a similar top to bottom evaluation to develop their teenagers and I beleive that was the generation with Ozil and Muller.

    In Australia we found many systemic issues which I beleive are also likely in GB. But the difference is you actually have the money and population to do something about it. Your Xenophobic attitude (personally and as a nation) doesnt help you either.

  76. Dissenter

    Has it occurred to out British friends that people from other places have more access to the global game compared to you.

    Le Prof,
    Hom many competitive leagues do you have access to weekly?

    In the states, I can subscribe to channels that give me access to leagues from England, France, Germany, Italy, Brazil, Mexico, Russia etc

    …at a fraction of your Sky/BT subscriptions.

    The ‘lowly’ foreign fan has more access to the beautiful game than you. You need to have a lie down.

  77. Keyser

    Midwest – I would discount it, have you watched much European Basketball ? Karim could probably help out, but there’s a pretty significant difference between watching that and then seeing Le Bron dunk over everyone.

    I think thats a bit like how football is transmitted globally, you don’t get the same appreciation for the game when you’re watching the best play every night without all the other levels in between. Like ignoring your local team and only watching Champions League games.

    Like me, I wonder because I never played these sports, I’m not even sure what my local Basketball teams called or if there is one, how this has affected my appreciation.

  78. MidwestGun

    N5 –
    Hahaha. Lucky for y’all I don’t judge a country based on Le Prof or Dan. C.

    Personally, i have great respect for your culture as it produced a great game and some tremendous people on Le Grove. And obviously I love Arsenal and the Premier League.

  79. Dissenter

    N5,
    We live in a globalized world.
    My bio is a typical American one, we are mixed up here.
    I support Arsenal because it is Arsenal, it has nothing to do with the fact that it’s English.

    I’m not doing tit for tat
    I will take your health care system over ours, everyday. I will take your kindergarten- 12 grade/year educational system over ours.

    My point is simple, I don’t look at your football youth development and go wow! There are too many countries that do it much better right now.

  80. N5

    MWG I do worry the way this blog is going today though that it’s going to become and them and us thing due to a few silly comments.

  81. Keyser

    Midwest – Lol I think people here should watch Championship games before they watch Arsenal. I didn’t single out out, more that maybe it should be a pre-requisite.

    If YOU HAVE watched MLS games doesn’t mean everyone in America has does it.

  82. Goondawg

    Bbc reporting Liverpool have pulled the plug in any future contract deals with Sterling, as they feel there is no point after the agent said no amount of money would convince him to sign. Also called Carragher a “knob” (lol)

    Personally Sterling is stinking up that club, and this looks pretty bad as a neutral. It seems he would go hand-in-hand with a club like Chelsea. I think the kid is overrated – not worth 150kpw. Also looks to have serious money-grabbing attitude problems. We have plenty tiny, pacy diminutive midfielders already. I wouldn’t like to see him at Chelsea or Man City though… Liverpool should keep him, let him rot in the reserves, refuse to sell him and make him run down his contract as punishment. Noo player is bigger than the club. He’s probably on Diaby-esque wages too, wouldn’t hurt them. Ibe looks a prospect

    I prefer Reus or Lacazette. Benzema also

  83. Cesc Appeal

    Why does anyone have to watch a certain amount of a certain type of football to validate their opinion?

    Or have a certain passport…

    It’s a f*****g blog, all about opinions and we’re lucky enough that we have essentially a global dialogue on here at no cost, opinions are opinions.

    Just silly to say ‘oh yours is quantified because X, Y or Z.’

  84. N5

    Dissenter and that’s fine, but you’ve allowed a few comments get under your skin and all that remaining relevent and BT package stuff felt like you were putting in a dig.

    You have every right to be annoyed with the original comments, but what I was worried about was a whole American vs England thing happening because of someone winding you up.

    Anyway I’ve said my bit on it, I’m not trying to moderate just don’t want anyone to say anything that’s going to get them banned or disliked by everyone on here.

    Middy will tell you about DanC and his sudden breakdown that turned into an American bashing and now he’s been banned!

  85. Keyser

    Because you get muppets who intern people’s opinions into groups.

    Like saying they’re ‘AKB’s, believers, or the Wenger crowd’

  86. Dan Ahern

    Correct Karim!

    Top 10 Premier League managers.

    I actually agree with Keyser et. al. that your upbringing and culture go a long way. But, examine that list again. Perhaps you Brits ought to have a little empathy. 😉

  87. Le Prof

    Keyser

    ‘midwest – There is a point in there somewhere, people in the actual country live it in a way you don’t, it might not be as sigificant as Le Prof wants it to be, but it’s like me talking about the NBA, or MLB, without having experienced Little League in that country.’

    ‘I couldn’t really care about any specific team in those sports, and it annoys me when the Entertainment isn’t what I expect it to be.’

    Yup pretty much, and nailed on with the entertainment bit. I wasn’t trying to make it as significant as it came across.

    I was just telling dissenter his upper middle class chums would get eaten alive at the grass roots, semi pro and lower league levels.

    Midwest

    ‘Exactly, how this relates to shirt sales in the US is irrelevant. But Le Prof chose to try and call Dissenter out based on where he lives. But more importantly England does not have the best club or professional system to produce players, no?

    You excel at missing the fucking point, you really do.

    dissenter, like yourself portray scenario’s of the PL taking over the states, he’s seeing Chelsea shirts ‘everywhere’ and your having beef in bars with Man Utd fans in your hood…what a load of bollocks.

    It happens. In every bar/pub in England with various random teams and their supporters. It’s nothing unique Midwest.

    Tell me where I have even implied that England has the club or professional to produce players? You’re genuinely an imbecile with an inferiority complex.

    I’m highlighting the fact these games at grass roots, semi pro and lower league are a lot different to the razzamatazz of the Premier League that you get spoon fed in the USA.

    It’s stripped back, it’s raw and it’s still a man’s contact sport and the real essence of the ‘sport’ is still alive.

  88. Blsany

    N5
    LOL you really are awesome mate.i’d love to see you on arsenal fan tv or ROP.I want one of you to slap some sense into Ty’s head.

  89. Dissenter

    Cesc,
    You make a good point
    It’s just that when knuckle heads like Le Prof start to be condescending to other, they have to be set right.

  90. Dissenter

    N5,
    Le Prof didn’t get under my skin.
    I am not impressed with your youth development and I think your FA agrees with me.

  91. karim

    Keyser/mid

    I also like how the Nba teams have players from all horizons, Spurs being the best illustration, compared to the ’90s where you only had Gica Muresan or Manute Bol and that was because they were fucking giants !

  92. MidwestGun

    Ahern-
    Dinner menu ?

    Keyser –
    Some of the best players in the Nba are from Europe. In fact, almost every team has at least a starter or two. England is not one of them, however. I expect if you ever erected hoops in all your school yards and your parks. .. it would help….but I don’t know if it would alter your understanding of the game.   Also, we have tons of local level football clubs now and amateur leagues and have had for decades. And in bad neighborhoods.

  93. Cesc Appeal

    Dissenter

    Fair enough.

    This is a pretty great comments section though, arguably the best you will find on a football blog, I can’t think of an Arsenal blog that comes close to this

  94. N5

    OK Dissenter I already agreed with you, But this:

    “It is because of people like you in English society and the media that the entire football world detest English football.”

    A) isn’t true and B) was not the words of a man that was calm. It was quite frankly offensive but I understand why you reacted the way you did. I only asked that in your back and fourth that both yourself and Le Prof stop the pointless bigger dick comments and debate the points you’re making.

  95. Lee

    Midwest
    Bamford and le prof were making a valid point until you show up with your fucking insecurities.
    There is a reason most of the world can’t stand the yanks. Not me, but most of te world
    How dare you talk about English people being thugs
    Hurricane catrina, what happened?
    R a p e.
    V I o l e n c e
    M u r d er
    You do it on your own doorstep
    You do it in Iraq
    You did it in Vietnam
    You’re always rioting or shooting people or the police attacking innocents
    You’re te biggest oppressor in the world.
    So don’t sit there yapping about us wing thugs you smug hypocritical wanker.
    You’re american
    You have no right to call anyone thugs

  96. Dissenter

    Le Prof,
    There’s no where where I implied that my neighborhood was solely representative of soccer in the US. The point I made is how a small club like Chelsea has entered American consciousness so quickly that people can spend 50 dollars to buy their Jersey’s.
    What ensued afterwards is a peep into the dark recesses of your xenophobic mind.
    I didn’t even have to do much to nudge you because you went at it like a sleep deprived lab mouse.
    It not the first time you’ve done it… I don’t expect you’ll be able to abstain next time too.

  97. Le Prof

    dissenter

    ‘It’s just that when knuckle heads like Le Prof start to be condescending to other, they have to be set right.’

    Way to go on setting me right.

    You should team up with all those Chelsea fans in Maryland and give it another go.

  98. Keyser

    Midwest – Appreciation not really understanding.

    Anyone can understand the game, but if you all do is watch Champion League football, and you’ve barely played the sport, are you really going to appreciate all the other levels of it in the same way.

    I picked specific posters because they seem oblivious to the idea that people might not simply fit into one of two groups and they’re simply not willing to even acknowledge their viewpoint.

  99. Dissenter

    N5,
    That point of view that assumes that a referee is going to fail in a big game because he’s not from a country with a big league is the swan song of the English media every world cup. There’s an arrogance in English football, i just want you to know that.

    Do you know how the Monaco manager motivated his team before they beat us in the Emirates; He put up the headlines from the Daily Mail.
    Can you justify the tabloid headlines before Germany faced England in the 1996 Euro’s that was referencing the Bismark and all the other atrocities of WW2.

    There’s an arrogance that is not justifiable. I get it’s not shared by all. Maybe le prof if the last vestiges of a dying culture.

  100. N5

    Dissenter, there is a huge leap from the world disliking the British media (which the British hate too) and saying the entire world DETESTS English football. It’s just not true, not even remotely.

    If that was the case, why would Le Grove be so diverse?

  101. MidwestGun

    “You’ll of never of played or had the privilage of seeing grass roots football upto semi pro and the lower leagues, if you did you’d know what I meant by a gentleman’s game played by thugs.”
    Le Prof
    ______________

    Le Prof was using thug term….. there Lee. Your reading comprehension is anazing as usual.

  102. gambon

    Yes, Midwest is the biggest oppressor in the world.

    Who are all these new militant AKB cunts that have infested this blog in recent times?

    Truly a sign that Arsene is on his way out when the AKBs turn into angry little weirdos.

  103. Blsany

    Lee
    We were talking about football.I like you and generally agree with you but WTF?Didn’t realise Midwest was in charge of US foreign policy!

  104. Keyser

    Dissenter – That’s as bad as any percieved slight you feel.

    Firstly the Daily Mail ?
    Secondly using that as motivation is pretty weak.

  105. MidwestGun

    To be honest, I wish we had more South American commenters as they would probably have a completely different view, or Asian. But we probably won’t as someone will pick out their spelling or language errors or tell them they lack knowledge, etc….

  106. Honest Bill

    Sterling and hi agent are right to do what they’re doing. Liverpool are the most ridiculous club in the world when it comes to posturing. This media offensive from them is purely to deflect criticism from them. The real issue they are trying to sweep under the carpet is that Liverpool are no longer a top club. All they want is to change the story from them not being able to keep their best player, to evil agent corrupts young player and they take on the mighty Liverpool.

    Now when Sterling goes, it won’t be a tragedy. They are spinning it so the fans will be happy to see the back of the ‘traitor’

    Seeing Liverpool’s ex players all singing from the same hymn-sheet is truly amazing to behold. and the fact the public lap it all up is just hilarious.

    Sterling doesn’t want to play for Liverpool? What a cunt eh? Who does he think he is?

  107. Dissenter

    Le Prof,
    I dont even know why your moniker involve’s “prof”, Your thinking is very childish and I do not know why you picked that pseudo.

    You don’t have any friends who are ardent Chelsea fans, or United supporters?

    What in the world is wrong with you?

    How did a conversation about how Chelsea have grown their brand so quickly that casual followers are willing to spend money to identify with them get so vitriolic.

    Everyone I’ve seen in an Arsenal shirt genuinely know much about Arsenal, many have been British expats.
    Most of the people I’ve met know little to nothing about Chelsea but yet shelled out 50+ dollars to buy the shirt.
    My point was to ask how do we begin to tap into that type of revenue then you let loose.

    shiiiiiiit, you’re shiiiit bat crazy dude

  108. bob

    its very strange how arsenal have lost and droped more points since england’s
    future captain jack wilsheres bein back. the mood off the whole team looks down since wilsheres bein back

  109. MidwestGun

    That’s right people. .. I’m the Illuminati. …….Watch your back.

    What I do know …. is practical tactics, packed box defending, looking forward to playing FA Cup. … is just excuses for playing like crap.