United vs Arsenal Preview

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“Sometimes I think: ‘What does he do all day?’

That’s Arsene talking about retirement and referencing Alex Ferguson. I hope that doesn’t mean he’s planning on extending his contract. But, it probably does. I’ll crack into that at another time.

Today, it’s all about the big one. Manchester United away. I think the story is about both teams and how far they have to go to challenge Chelsea next season. Wenger thinks we can challenge next year…

“We have that feeling in the squad,” “But I understand that it is still a question. We are far behind Chelsea. We are in a pack with Man City and Man United, but then you go into the uncertainty, how strong will they be next season? Nobody knows that.”

“But I understand that it is still a question. We are far behind Chelsea. We are in a pack with Man City and Man United, but then you go into the uncertainty, how strong will they be next season? Nobody knows that.”

I think what we know is that United will spend whatever they need to spend to get back to the top. Rumours that they’re going to buy Paul Pogba are strong. That would be a worrying addition.

Arsenal are ahead of United squad wise and I think we’re ahead of them as a team. We need to prove it though. Because next season is going to be far more competitive. I think we missed a good chance this year to catch the pack. What we can’t do is expect others to regress next year.

“Who doesn’t want a good spine? But to know each other, to play together at the back, in the middle, in the heart of the game, is important as well. To add to the extremes, it is sometimes less risky but to add to where the heart of the team is, playing together for a long time is very important.

“We just spoke about Chelsea. They have a stable defence for two or three years now and they conceded less goals than the other teams. You feel the strength of the teams when you play against them. It will be tight next season. Liverpool will respond as well.”

Comments like the above indicate we’re not going to go wild this summer. But with a raft of players heading for the exit door, it’s hard not to see how we can avoid bringing in a few names. I think we have a good base to work from. We can streamline some of the squad deadwood and churn that money back into key positions.

This summer has to be progression. I just hope we’ve learned our lessons of summers past.

The game today is important. 3 points pretty much clears the way for a top 3 finish… and it’ll mean we avoid the indignity of a qualifier.

As I said yesterday, I think this is going to be interesting tactically. We have players out of form and we’re not looking good for pace. I’m looking forward to seeing what the manager has to go with later!

Right, enjoy the game.

See you tomorrow!

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  1. TitsMcGee

    You know you are backed into a corner when you start accusing others of being fans of rival clubs.

    Doesn’t argue facts because quite frankly the facts are there for all to see but instead argues about “motivation ” and mental strength” because the can’t be quantified lol

  2. Paulinho

    It’s scary how the level of football is dropping more and more every season.

    Someone like Carrick, admittedly always a very good player, is taking on demi-god status, and rightfully so, which as I say just shows how the level has dropped.

  3. TitsMcGee

    Tits if you don’t see 9 years without a trophy and selling our best players to then likely winning two FA Cups and spending 42 and 35 million on players in two seasons not as progress then you sir are hopeless”

    What are you claiming as progress?

    That we spent money?

    Spurs spent money have they made progress?

    You sir are part of the problem.

  4. Marko

    So tits you never answered the question. Do you see 9 years without a trophy and selling our best players to then two probable seasons winning a trophy and buying big players not as progress?

  5. Zimbabwean Gunner

    I will start watching Arsenal when Wenger leaves. This man has taken the pleasure out of following Arsenal.

    Sad thing is that he is not talking of retiring. Well, he is, but essentially saying he is not going anywhere soon.

    Wenger finishes 3rd and will not buy a WC CF. Mourinho wins the league at a canter and I bet he will go into the market and add to his squad.

    City finish 2nd and there is talk that they will get a new manager. To them 2nd is failure.

    At Arsenal we are progressing?

    I am well and truly fed up.

  6. underrated Coq

    Bamford10

    Quote: ” Congrats to those who took the wager against me, but I think I’m right re the underlying point: they’re a stronger team than we are. ”

    How exactly do you come to that conclusion ? Out of the three head to heads, both have won one and drawn one. And its Arsenal who look likely to finish higher up in the League table.

    So how exactly are United a better team than Arsenal ?

    Because they ” dominated for 80 minutes ” today ? Well, Arsenal dominated the game at the Emirates earlier in the season. But you conveniently don’t apply the same logic there. In that game you say ” The end-result is what matters ” but now you say ” Who dominates the game is what matters ” …?

  7. Marko

    Oh my God tits are you stupid. Do you claim 9 years without a trophy and then two years winning the FA Cup isn’t progress

  8. qna

    14 points out of 42 from games against teams in the top 8. For yet another season we are proven flat track bullys that cant perform against even half decent teams.

    We are miles away from where we can be. Need to stop hoarding those cash reserves and spend them on players. Just like every other team on the planet does. We likely have £250m in cash. When you add fees of selling surplus players (Szchezeny £5m, Jenkinson £10m, Walcott £25m, Podolski £5m, Welbeck £16m), we have more money at out disposal than fucking Real Madrid.

    Wenger is talking about it being risky to add to where the heart of the team is.. blah blah…. well thats what we need now. To take risks.

  9. Ozy

    What today’s result proves is just how poor the Premier League has become these days. We’re on par with one of the worst United teams in years – we’re worse than an aging, average Man City squad ..

    Chelsea, who would get dismantled against any European elite, have cruised to the title. English teams can’t even compete in the Europa League.

  10. Wallace

    Tits

    are you saying our current squad is no better than the pre-Ozil squad? because, you know,kind of ridiculous if you are…

  11. Paulinho

    Ozil’s ability to fall flat on his face WWE style every time someone makes a bit of contact with him is quite impressive.

  12. Marko

    And how am I part of the problem. I’ve been calling for signings and Klopp as manager for months. You’re part of the problem with your expectations and piss and vinegar attitude towards games. Honestly 9 years without a trophy then an FA Cup and 4th and probably 3rd and another FA Cup and that isn’t seen as a step in the right direction?

  13. Wenger Optimetrics

    Keyser
    May 17, 2015 17:38:39

    WO – Ok, any contribution at all ?

    Like Wenger, can’t think of any contribution to make, sorry.

    Although I could spin some yarn that football is commensurate to particle physics and that quarks, protons and neutrons are relative to the end result of a game of football.

    Football isn’t as complicated as you would make out.

  14. MidwestGun

    Marko –
    It’s a tiny bit of progress agreed. Altho, based on today, I’m not giving us the second FA Cup just yet. And as far as transfers, i bring it up because once again when questioned AW said we will address at end of season. Ummmm it’s obvious now, no? Why do we need to wait for inquiries? Hence, cautious Pessimism about tw. Think it’s an accumulation of disappointment, really. To be honest….. but I get where you are coming from as its tedious at times on here. I guess time will tell but patience if AW has only 2 years shouldn’t be priority #1.

    Anyhow, honestly, imo, progress should be unquestionably obvious, and I’m not sure it is. And really I’m tired of debating it.

  15. Redtruth

    No way have the team improved under Ozil
    In fact teams around Arsenal have regressed giving a false hope to the naive and delusional among us.

  16. Wallace

    “It’s the third goal in a row we have conceded that has been deflected. That’s unlucky, but you can force the luck. I believe that Arsenal are maybe the best team in the league but Chelsea can finish a game.”

    – LVG

  17. Dissenter

    I’m not buying this “improvement” balderdash.

    We drew against a United team in transition in the hands of a manger who cannot get them to play above the sums of their parts.

    The best way to measure success is to compare us with Chelsea.
    Compared to Chelsea we look like the satellite to a planet.
    How many of our players can start for Chelsea’s best team, maybe Alexis.

    This was acceptable in 2009 not in 2015 , not when there’s £200 million plus in the coffers unspent. We have more cash reserves than the next 8 teams in the premier league combined.

  18. Trickeygooner

    I don’t comment that often,
    I read what you mugs write,
    To be fair I take most on board and to be fair the bottom line is you lot are always right. As a season ticket holder and someone who’s been to 12 away games this season. I’ve missed today so that my daughter can go.
    That was poor.
    The same team AGAIN.
    hrr. BORING
    Do I need to say any more !!
    Wenger Out !!!!!

  19. Wenger Optimetrics

    Marko
    May 17, 2015 17:42:53

    Oh my God tits are you stupid. Do you claim 9 years without a trophy and then two years winning the FA Cup isn’t progress

    Hold your horses there Marko.

  20. qna

    *CORRECTION*

    57 points from 66 against teams in the bottom 12.

    14 points from 42 against teams in the top 8.

    = FLAT TRACK BULLYS

  21. Wenger Optimetrics

    Zimbabwean Gunner
    May 17, 2015 17:41:54

    I will start watching Arsenal when Wenger leaves. This man has taken the pleasure out of following Arsenal.

    Sad thing is that he is not talking of retiring. Well, he is, but essentially saying he is not going anywhere soon.

    Wenger finishes 3rd and will not buy a WC CF. Mourinho wins the league at a canter and I bet he will go into the market and add to his squad.

    City finish 2nd and there is talk that they will get a new manager. To them 2nd is failure.

    At Arsenal we are progressing?

    I am well and truly fed up.

    Well said.

  22. Keyser

    Midwest – The season isn’t over and we have a cup final.

    “Anyhow, honestly, imo, progress should be unquestionably obvious, and I’m not sure it is. And really I’m tired of debating it.”

    This is why you get tired, why should it be obvious ? Have you not paid attention to previous years.

  23. Dissenter

    I forget we cannot compare ourselves with Chelsea, per Keyser. The usual posters will cite The Russian money infusion 12 years ago.
    They’ll convinently forget that we have 200-250 million pounds unspent.

  24. Marko

    I hear you MID but he’s always like that in regards to transfer Windows. I personally feel we sign three this summer cause I’ve a feeling that control he used to have with transfers has been gradually taken away. Which is great. Also don’t forget it is possible those rumours a couple months back about a Juve football director coming in could still prove to be true

  25. Trickeygooner

    Santi needed resting
    AW can’t see it.
    Start with Aaron in centre,
    Bring Jack in from the right when things need freshening up.
    Is rotation that hard ???

  26. Ozy

    It’s crazy to think people actually believe performances like today’s merits singling out one player and criticizing him to hell and back.

    We need more Ozils and less of pretty much the rest of this squad barring a select few.

  27. MidwestGun

    Keyser –
    Are you not tired of debating subtle variations or changes? Well… probably not as that’s your gig. But for me it I’d like to see obvious progress.

  28. Jim Lahey

    @Dissenter – To be fair I don’t think any of us really know how much we have to spend, I highly doubt its 200-250m. And for once I have to agree with Keyser, United dropped that amount in the last 18 months. Pretty hard to compete against that. Not saying that it is impossible, but certainly difficult.

  29. TitsMcGee

    Wenger finishes 3rd and will not buy a WC CF. Mourinho wins the league at a canter and I bet he will go into the market and add to his squad.”

    That is the problem with the “we’ve made progress crowd”.

    They speak of challenging next season by buying a top player here or there but then forget that 1 player won’t be enough to make up the 14 point gap to Chelsea.

    Firstly.

    Secondly Chelsea are going to make additions without a doubt so what ever gain we make by buying one player will be negated.

    Then there is City. Are we counting on them having another stinker of a season which will allow us to be hovering around 2nd?

    The stats don’t show we’ve made progress other than we avoided multiple thrashing in one season which if the AKBS are honest was very unlikely to happen regardless just due to the odds.

  30. Al

    Squad wise and starting 11 we basically match Chelsea.

    Where we fall considerably below them is in management. he may be a negative horrible manager but at the end of the day Mourinho manages to get every single bit out his team. We on the other tend to always leave plenty on the field at the end of the match.

    But let’s not kid ourselves or have the blinkers on….there’s definitely been improvement this year. Just doubt we have the management that will try to kick on rather then “making do” and gambling in success.

  31. Keyser

    Midwest – It just shows fuckall understanding of the position we’re in.

    United spent 150-200 million, went nowhere in both cups, weren’t in Europe at all, and have improved by 3 positions.

  32. Redtruth

    Despite the upturn in finances and the calibre of players we now have at the club, our steady league position has barely improved as we’re still fighting to secure automatic Champions League football.

    Analysing our rivals and giggling at their troubles is fun, but stagnation in the Premier League only leads to one thing – regression. Ask Newcastle United.

    Latest figures show that we recorded a net spend of £160.7m during the course of the season and through calculations where that figure has been divided by our current points total, each one of our points is worth £2.295m.

    It means that after Manuel Pellegrini and Louis van Gaal, Wenger is the least productive with the finances available to him. A complete sea change to where he would’ve been positioned had this list been constructed a few years ago.

    The tone from board-room level has shifted too and their calculation arguably mirror those made in theDaily Mail. Ivan Gazidis recently said that a second place finish and another FA Cup win would not satisfy him (via the Daily Mail) and while it may sound rather dismissive, our chief executive is obviously speaking from a financial standpoint and making a judgement based on our outlay during the season.

    There could be a number of conclusions, and objections, to be drawn from such analysis but one thing Wenger must address this summer is buying players capable of strengthening our first XI.

  33. qna

    Keyser: Dissenter – United spent that in one window. Use your head for once.

    Use your head for once and ask why dont we spend our money. Instead of being such a robot why dont you ask yourself why we dont so that. Thats all we ask, is that the club puts in 100% towards winning. If they didnt have anything mote to give, we wouldnt be asking like this.

    If we sell £60m in surplus players and spent all of our cash reserves we would have over £300m to spend. We could buy whoever we wanted. We could buy ourself one of the best spines in world football. Fuck the risks. We wont win anything conservitavely so what does it matter if we cant win by taking risks?

  34. Marko

    Mid 9 years without a trophy and signing players like Arshavin for 15 million to two possible seasons with a trophy and signing Alexis Sanchez for 35 million isn’t obvious progress?

  35. MidwestGun

    Keyser –
    I understand perfectly our position, still doesn’t explain or disregard 0 shots. Or was that the 200 million dollars or injuries or whatever. Didn’t resemble progress to me,

  36. Marko

    TitsMcGeeMay 17, 2015    18:04:56
    Marko if you think a decade of 3rd/4th is progress then peace be with you.

    No I think 9 years of consistent underachieving isn’t progress but two trophies in two seasons is a step in the right direction. Still much work to do to win a league title but these things take time and don’t happen overnight. Even City and Chelsea when they first got theirmoney it took a couple seasons of spending and a gradual mentality shift before they became consistent challengers we’ve been doing it the last two seasons

  37. Keyser

    qna – ‘fuck the risk’s ? Are you really this dense ? The club can’t think like that, so it should be fucking obvious why the club won’t do it.

    So what are you left with ? You want everyone to just post spazzy, list of fantasy players we won’t ever buy ?

  38. Relieable sauce

    Wenger – Its incredible what we’ve done since November. ie- our worst start under his tenure.

    Most people would drink a bottle of stagnant piss without a second thought after walking out of a desert but lets not call it lemonade.

  39. TitsMcGee

    Latest figures show that we recorded a net spend of £160.7m ”

    It’s the last bastion of the great Wall of defence AKBS put around Wenger. That “if he had so and so money” he’d win the league as well.

    Nothing to back that up of course other than starry-eyed loyalty.

  40. Keyser

    Midwest – Was that a serious post or did you just want to skip the part where I rationally explain it to you, to the part where I call you an idiot ?

    Either way you’re a idiot, and it’s only something you have to work out for yourself.

  41. tunnygriffboy

    Really scrappy first half both sides pressing and giving ball away. Man u had the better of it. 2nd half we were the better side and got stronger as the game worw on.

    Coquelin didn’t have his best game. Wonder if he’s tired ? He can’t have played as many games in a row ever. Hence the need for another DM.

    Should have brought Walcott on 10 minutes earlier and move Ramsey into CM as Santi was subdued

    Jack looked good again

    Giroud did what hedoes. Held the ball up and linked play well. Had a couple 1/4, 1/2 chances that had he had another yard he may have got a toe to it.

    For me definite progression in depth of squad and tactically. Llost so many points first quarter of the season when in trouble due to no DM, DM and injuries. Since then we’ve improved a lot. Strengthening again will be important.

  42. Marko

    You’ll have to wait till the summer then Mid. Much like United and city as well whether these teams will compete depends on their business in the summer

  43. Jim Lahey

    I believe we can be doing more to be competitive with the resources we have, but money wins titles; the teams that have spent the most in the last 10 years are the teams that have been winning titles.

    Chelsea, City and United have all out spent us by at least a factor of 2:1 in Chelsea’s case 3:1. Fine we can be better tactically, but in the grand scheme of things, are we not exactly were we should be? Hell even Liverpool have out spent us, and I’m betting so too have spurs.

  44. qna

    Keyser: qna – ‘fuck the risk’s ? Are you really this dense ? The club can’t think like that, so it should be fucking obvious why the club won’t do it.

    Are you fucking dense. The other clubs we are competing with have zero cash reserves. We are the only ones withholding funds that would make us more competative and me calling for ua to spend it – whatever the real amount is – makes me dense? What possible reason do you havr for us being the only club that withholds funds that would make us more competative?

  45. MidwestGun

    Keyser –
    I must be a idiot then, explain to me why we played a half with our best starting players who have now played together for 8 matches *cohesion * and yet managed 0 shots at goal, something we haven’t done for ten years,

    I’m just asking for obvious signs of progress and you are going on about 200 million dollars. Or whatever. Ya your Capt. Rational.

  46. Le Prof

    Qna

    ‘If we sell £60m in surplus players and spent all of our cash reserves we would have over £300m to spend. We could buy whoever we wanted. We could buy ourself one of the best spines in world football. Fuck the risks.’

    Honestly, are you for real?

    Spend over £300m but fuck the risks?

    Are you 15 or just a straight up imbecile?

  47. Wallace

    Tits

    “It’s the last bastion of the great Wall of defence AKBS put around Wenger. That “if he had so and so money” he’d win the league as well.

    Nothing to back that up of course other than starry-eyed loyalty.”

    you’re probably too young to remember it, but Wenger’s won the PL a couple of times.

  48. tunnygriffboy

    Qna

    Every team in the top four is a flat track bully. By the law of averages they beat the sides below them. Only Chelsea have had a great record v the top teams

  49. Kurt F

    And so off we go into another transfer window, still needing 4 top quality players in key positions, yet still being told that the squad we have is ‘good enough’ and that ‘next season….’

  50. Keyser

    qna – No, you saying ‘fuck the risk’s, meaning for once you’ve actually spent some time acknowledging them is dense, it’s an improvement on what you usually say.

    The idea that it ‘Would’ make us more competitive, United have just spent 150-200 million to move 3 places, all 3 clubs have a long history of spending, we don’t, all 3 clubs have failed to dominate the others.

    You’re basically saying, lets sell all we can, and spend everything in one go ? Thats right ? Think of examples where this has worked ?

  51. Highbury4ever

    @Midwest : Keyser is sad because he is surrounded by idiots lol

    We were unlucky last monday, and we were lucky to get one point today, sorry yoonited cunts
    Since when are you unable to beat Arsenal at Old Toilet twice in one season ?? lol

    THIRD ==>> PROGRESS. (lol ?)

  52. Relieable sauce

    Fuck what MU spend. Fuck what Chelsea spend.

    Do we have OBVIOUS weaknesses in the squad?
    Can we afford to address them?

    Yes & yes.

    No excuses left for AFC.

  53. Keyser

    Midwest – Yeah, United have spent all that money to move 3 places, think about that, and you’re wondering about first half shots on target.

    Go back through those 10 years, and count how many times we’ve failed to pick up a point at Old Trafford let alone win.

  54. Wenger Optimetrics

    God help us is all I can say. Talking chump change in relative terms to revenue, why not speculate to accumulate. This next transfer window will define where we are going as a club and I seriously hope the opportunity is taken to purchase a WC GK, WC CD, WC DM / Box to Box Destroyer, WC CF and WC RWF.

    As Keyser implied this will not be easy and will cost a great deal. No player can’t be bought from any team you could think of – It just takes money.

  55. Marko

    No doubt finding that elusive but much needed world class striker this summer will be tough. Lacazette the obvious choice for me might stay another year so who else is there? Maybe Jackson Martinez?

  56. MidwestGun

    Keyser –
    Alright, if your happy with that performance ,it takes another 200 mil to get a shot against that backline, then your right I’m an idiot and I can’t help you. By the way if your looking for idiots, and I’m your first choice, your judgement is pretty good, too.

  57. qna

    Le Prof. You seem to really have a thing about age. Are you saying I would be more knowledgable if I was old or young? Do you not think that people of any age can contribute? Maybe if you spent just a little effort in actually contributing with your posts you wouldnt seem like such a conplete dick. And I say that to you regardless of you age.

    As for Arsenals risk profile. Yes I would say we are incredibly risk averse and this ia a business where being risk averse does not equate with success. Arsenal needs to significatly imcrease its risk taking because:

    1) The new CL money will be heavily weighted to teams that progress to the last stages of that competition as well as those that finish higher in their domestic league the previous year. This will be worth a LOT of money if we can win more group matches and proceed to the SF or even QFs.

    2) The new PL deals will amplify any difference in earnings between us and those above us – if only slightly

    3) our commercial deals are very low – even lower than pools. With these deals coming to an end, NOW is the time to perform on the pitch and give our potential sponsors reason to break the bank for us.

    So Le Prof – you ignorant moron, I will keep on harping om about how we should be spending money and buying huge players like Pogba and Bale. Because you have to spend money to make money and there is a lot of money to be made on that pot at the end of the rainbow.

  58. Le Prof

    It really is quite embarrassing on here most days anyway but during and post match, it really is something to behold.

    It’d probably serve some of you better to actually spend time watching the match rather than spout constant shit on here during the game.

    Apart from the quadruple every year, going unbeaten, scoring 200+ goals in the process, having the best players in every position and playing well EVERY game which isn’t asking much at all…

    What exactly is it that people want?

  59. Keyser

    Midwest – You said you’re tired, you said you want unquestionable evidence we’ve improved.

    I’ve just given you an example of why it’s hard to see such evidence, and why it’s silly to expect it.

    The shots on target thing is embarrassing on your part, so if we’d managed 2 shots on target in the first half this would’ve mean’t a great deal to you ?

    As opposed to our performance in the second half ?

  60. Marko

    Leno, Schneiderlin, Kurzawa and Lacazette would be sending the right message this summer. Maybe another forward/Winger would be too greedy and perfect. Probably 60+ million in talent there

  61. Redtruth

    Being timid and risk averse is costing Arsenal dear on and off the pitch.

    No one would have signed up to building the Emirates if they had known it would take more than 13 years to compete with the big boys.

  62. gazzap

    Tell you what I’ve noticed. Jack is a great sub. Prefer him as a sub than a starter. He always makes an impact.

    Ozil once again couldn’t cope against the teams that get in your faces, and make it difficult, ie the top teams and Stoke! He was poor but once again Wenger plays him for the full 90. Old Fraud likes getting his monies worth.
    Wenger isn’t ruthless enough with players who have a higher status, and can’t spot when a player is playing gash.

  63. qna

    Keyser: qna – No, you saying ‘fuck the risk’s, meaning for once you’ve actually spent some time acknowledging them is dense, it’s an improvement on what you usually say.

    Of course I acknowledge that spending money wont guarantee us anything. Nobody here is saying that. What kind of people do you think we are. You dont think on a higher level than anybody else you know. Those things without saying. But you miss the point that success always comes to one of the clubs that spend. Two of them that spend dont win. What does that mean? That if you want to play, you have to pay. You may not win, but at least you will be in with a chance againat the other three. There is of coirae a slim chance for those that dont spend on the same level. This happened for Athletico and Dortmunf recently. And almost for Liverpool last year. But what was the secret? They managed to buy players of extreme talent for prices within their budgets. Suarez, Costa, Lewendowski.

    If we can do this, then yes maybe your approach might work. But its very unlikely.

  64. Marc

    We’ve spent £90 odd million in the last two transfer windows and got back about £15 (I can’t think of anyone else we sold in the same period outside of TV5). We are making progress and signing higher calibre players but its not going to happen overnight. I think we’ll sign a GK, CM and right sided forward / AM in the summer (maybe a youngster or 2 as well).

    This idea of spending to accumulate by spending £300 million is idiotic – no sane businessman would even consider such a thing.

  65. MidwestGun

    The shots on target thing is embarrassing on your part, so if we’d managed 2 shots on target in the first half this would’ve mean’t a great deal to you ?
    __________
    Why is it embarassing actually yes 2 would have been better. You keep ignoring it, that was our core group best 11 and we managed 0. Freakin… 0. Not even a freekick or corner. … nothing nada…. but you like to deflect, so if you think that was great, awesome.
    #progressing

  66. Relieable sauce

    To utilise our resources in an efficient manner to build & maintain a squad that can compete for trophies on a fairly regular basis.

    Some other stuff as well but i’d settle for that.

  67. qna

    Marc: Who the hell are we going to sell and get £60 million for?

    Players that are not good enough and either surplus or need replacing with better players: Walcott (£25m), Welbeck (£16m – should get more than this actually), Szchezeny (£5m), Jenkinson (£10m), Podolski (£4m)

    Why not sell Wilshere, you think he is better than Isco or Goetze? Should be able to sell Wilshere for whatever either of those 2 would cost.

  68. TheBayingMob

    I think you should all knock this “progress” argument on the head. We clearly haven’t made massive leaps forward we’ve not really gone too far backwards either.

    We beat an aging City team managed by a fuckwit but apart from that I don’t think we improved massively over last year in machete choir closest rivals.

    I think what did change is the cycle of injuries meant we had a strong period of out top players being available, now we’re coming to the end of that cycle as Wenger over works them (rumours Sanchez wasn’t 109% today).

    I think many people (including myself) called this season exactly how it’s gone. When Wenger runs the players into the ground we struggle, when out first XI is available and fit we are generally a match for most in the league.

    The worst thing for me is that when the opportunity was there to push for 2nd (which would have looked and felt like tangible progress) we tanked it with two really poor performances and for me that tells you everything you need to know about Wengers Arsenal.

  69. MidwestGun

    It wasn’t shots on target either… 0 shots. After AW went on about cohesion and bouncing back from Swansea. .. mental strength… etc… that’s embarassing. Not me.

  70. Marc

    Midwest

    Surely ManU after spending £159 million last summer would have expected a better result?

    I remember us playing the Spud’s in Wenger’s best years, dominating possession and shots on target and the Spud’s having shot and scoring ending in a draw. Football is not an exact science.

  71. Le Prof

    Qna

    How old are you seriously? You’re approach to our business and potential signings is naive and juvenile at best.

    You seem very idealistic and have very little grasp of reality.

    You’ve been championing spending £200m + on par with the 2 previous biggest splurges in history (RM and Man U) and buying Pogba, Reus, Bale and Hummels and a bench of a the £20m substitute left back along with a £40m Verrati sitting next to £25m Vietto…as subs ffs.

    Fucking wake up.

    It’d be bad enough if it was a fantasy list but you’re been deadly serious which is slightly worrying.

  72. qna

    Marc your business model of slowly accumulating is outdated and doesnt work in modern football. You have to keep up or be left behind. The rich will jeep getting richer and the poor poorer like never before movong forward. If we font keep pace by performing in the CL and keeping our commercial value high compared to the other top 3 then we will drift to the middle with Liverpool and Spurs. This will be sealed when the EPL loses its 4th place in The CL.

    Right now we have a short window of opportunity with Sanchez and Ozil in thier peak ages. Slowly acculating will see these guys age out of their prime usefulness and we will still not be avle to break through the glass window that your business model creates.

  73. Keyser

    Midwest – We drew at Old Trafford after going a goal down.

    This is somehow less important than first half shots.

    Yup, you’re an idiot.

  74. Sukky

    You know the annoying thing about this world is that some people will always be the scape goat. Everyone are blaming Giroud (though he had a average game not a poor game), while alexie, carzola and Ozil were shit. Is it a coincident that Giroud hasn’t play well in the last 6 games where ramsey has started on the wing?

  75. qna

    Le Prof: How old are you seriously? You’re approach to our business and potential signings is naive and juvenile at best.

    I assure you that I have a higher education level than you if this is what your getting at. Since you dont say anything remotely productive I cant really comment on you.

    I have just outlined 3 reasons as to WHY I promote an aggressive business strategy for Arsenal. I promote risk in order to attain financial gain in our commercials and performance related revenue.

    What exactly do you promote? You jave no ideas and no clue. Your slow and steady approach does not make any sense and since you have not even remotely tried to justify yur position I can only assume you have no idea what your talking about.

    Its easy to critisize when you dont know anything. Its all you can do really. Why dont you actually try to justify your position instead of worthless trolling.

  76. MidwestGun

    Marc –
    Yep, surely, but that makes our best 11 players inability to even have a shot for a entire half even more pathetic. And we are supposed to take that as progress next year when that’s our team basically. So again i think any sign
    of progress should be more obvious then managing 0 shots in a half of football with our best 11 after a bad loss.

  77. MidwestGun

    Keyser –
    Yep., a deflected shot to get a tie. Is signs of progress. I see your point given we just beat them last time at OT.

    Good point, logic.

  78. Marc

    qna

    We had a world of highly educated experts telling us the boom prior to 2008 was sustainable.

    No one is saying we shouldn’t spend but what you’re asking for is naïve.

  79. AbdulDT

    Do we measure progress by the reduction in the number of injuries suffered and fitness? Our approach tactically and performance in the big games? Amount of money spent? Points total at the end of the season or the position that we finish? Or is it all of the above? I feel we have improved taking all into account though there are still issues to be resolved (Gk second Cdm) and we should be ready to compete regardless of the business other teams do IF we address those issues. Today’s performance left a lot to be desired but it can’t be used in isolation to judge whether we have improved or not.

  80. qna

    Marc: Your model proved brilliant at Leeds and a host of other clubs.

    And now we finally make some progress. QPR too right. The first intelligent counter to my position. But I am not calling for that level of spending. There is a huge difference between Arsenal holding massive reserves of cash to having debts that would bankrupt us.

    So clearly there is some room in between. I would be against that type of risk in fact.

    So Marc you have pulled an extreme case that doesnt apply to what I am suggesting. Now why dont you give me your reason that we shouldnt spend all of our cash reserves. What reason do you have for that in your business model?

  81. Keyser

    qna – All it means is we’ll be another spending club, who doesnt have the ability to repeat, so instead of 1 in 3, it’s 1 in 4. We also don’t have the history of trial and error, so we’re X times more likely to fail.

    Not only that, but with the way Europe is now, the market has been saturated and warped, you end up overpaying for players who HAVE to at least match their value, let alone exceed it.

    The idea is silly, especially now FFP looks like it’s having some impact.

    Like I said find examples, you won’t, or look deeper into how Liverpool, Dortmud, Atletico were close to or achieved success.

  82. Marc

    Midwest

    Our best 11 and our most balanced 11 are two different things. You also seem to be dismissing Debuchy as a first team player.

  83. Sukky

    If wenger spend 500m this summer, I will bet my life on it that he won’t challenge for the title not to talk about winning it. Too clueless, too predictable.

  84. Keyser

    Midwest – Lol, I can’t help you now, you have to want to help yourself.

    Last two visits to Old Trafford, 1 win, 1 draw, the compare that to all the other useless stats Tits and other muppets pre-occupy themselves with.

  85. Marc

    qna

    It’s called a rainy day.

    I expect spending this summer in the region of £50 – £60 million to clarify my position, I’d love another £30 – £40 but you’re talking about 2 1/2 times that amount it’s just not ever going to happen.

  86. Keyser

    Midwest – Lol because people come on here to advance themselves mentally.

    We drew at Old Trafford and your point was we managed O shots in the first half.

    It’s like a Liverpool fan refusing to acknowledge their Champions League title, because they were 3-0 down at half-time.

  87. Rustygunner

    Yes LG, Arsenal has the best squad, and the worst manager. Mourinho has a point. The amoeba is a serial failure, and he laps up being hosted at Old Trafford. To then go on and win will be lack of manners. As for the Champions League it is just enough to rub shoulders with the best in the world. I bet he takes selfies at draws and dinners.

  88. MidwestGun

    Marc –
    Exactly, we need to add better players, and be more balanced because we don’t have them currently on our roster. But if that performance was a sign
    of progress then we are screwed. Again its the tedious progress debate. Keyser is happy with that performance, no big deal. But now somehow I’m an idiot for expecting better then 0 shots if we are progressing.

  89. qna

    Marc: Out of interest what sort of wage bill do you think we could sustain?

    Even if we maintained our current wage bill we could clear tge following players: Rosicky (£85k), Arteta (£80k), Diaby (£60k), Podolski (£109k), Wilshere (£90k), Walcott (£100k), Welbeck (£75k), Szchezeny (£85k) along with Sonogo, Jenkinson, Miyachi and Campbell. We dont need to replace in quantity but rather in quality. If we did this we could bring in two £200k/wk players and one £185k/wk player. Or break one of those £200k’s into two £100k players. On top of that we can still add a few new youth players on around £20 to £40k to see if any of them develop like Bellerin did. This is without taking into account the huge new tv deal in 12 months time that we can already budget for in long term contracts and expiring contracts.

    These things may not work in one window as it may disrupt the team, but these things are possible if your prepared to cut those players that waste your limited resources.

  90. MidwestGun

    Keyser –
    *Sigh* .. look you tedious fuckwit. . Was that performance progress yes or no?
    I say no…… it should be obvious. You say yes for a bunch of convoluted reasons. Good on you Captain logic.

  91. Redtruth

    If Abramovich owned QPR they’d be winning the Premier league and not Chelsea.

    If Usmanov owned Arsenal we too would be winning the Premier league

  92. daz

    If we really want to talk about progress in 1995 we were a club who were on par with Aston villa and everton, similar trophy haul and similar size fan base but nah we’ve not progressed under Wenger not in the slightest lol

  93. Wenger Optimetrics

    Marc
    May 17, 2015 18:44:46

    We’ve spent £90 odd million in the last two transfer windows and got back about £15 (I can’t think of anyone else we sold in the same period outside of TV5). We are making progress and signing higher calibre players but its not going to happen overnight. I think we’ll sign a GK, CM and right sided forward / AM in the summer (maybe a youngster or 2 as well).

    This idea of spending to accumulate by spending £300 million is idiotic – no sane businessman would even consider such a thing.

    Ask AT&T about that and it’s a miracle BT snapped out of the slumber and survived. The arrogance of stagnation.

    Marc, do you own your own business?

  94. Marc

    Midwest

    I think we’re on a good road, we started spending 2 summers ago and have won a cup, look like we’ll finish a place higher this season (2nd really should’ve be ours) and have another cup final. We will spend and strengthen, if we add the quality of the last 2 years in the right places then I’m happy for now.

    Remember that the ManU board came out and said 3rd was the minimum requirement last summer.

  95. Keyser

    Midwest – We drew at Old Trafford.

    My reasons are obvious, we fucking drew, we have all but confirmed no Champions League Qualifier, we finish a place higher and there’s still the Cup final.

    Your reasons are bullshit, ‘But erm, we had 0 shots in the first half.”

    Your just doing your usual stubborn bullshit.

    I started out by trying to highlight why it’s going to be difficult to see outright progress, hence the United example, if United can spend 150-200m yet only improve by 3 places, it should show how tough the situation is.

    Yet, No, typical midwest, fixate on some bullshit stat.

  96. MidwestGun

    Marc –
    Obviously, I hope your right, as I said earlier I’m cautiously pessimistic. ……. .I hardly think my opinions are idiotic given what I read on here.

  97. Marc

    Wenger

    I used to be involved with running a small business and you need to understand that long term financing of a business is critical, although you can’t compare a small business and a PL football club.

    Can’t comment on AT&T but as for BT they were a nationalised company and became successful after moving into private ownership.

    Do you think our spending the last 2 years has been stagnation? If yes then you need a wakeup call – a net spend of £75 million in the last year is marked progress.

  98. Le Prof

    Qna

    ‘I assure you that I have a higher education level than you if this is what your getting at.’

    LOL I’d ask for a refund. You’re meant to bring your own common sense to the party. Some things they just can’t teach can they?

    You’re 19 and from Nigeria. Close?

  99. Dissenter

    Keyser,
    The name calling is necessary.
    Calling Midwest an idiot or telling me to use my “head for once” says a lot about you.
    Why moan about Chelsea’s spending when we have money but strategically chose a different path.
    That’s my point, £250 million for United was to correct the 6-7 years of under-investment in the twilight of Fergie’s time. 250 million is not that much Baer on the money United makes.

  100. vicky

    I would not like to waste much time on progress debate. All I can say is now we look more composed than we have ever looked in the last 5 years. Of course, it sometimes results in dull attacking performances as we saw in the first half. Again, in the 2nd half we started playing well when we pushed it a bit more. For me the progress lies in the fact that we can mix it up better these days- transition from defense to attack and vice versa, is less of a challenge these days. The real progress would be when we can be dominate games against the likes of Chelsea, United despite being solid at the back. that’s where the quality of players comes in to picture. Chelsea can score a few goals with magical moments from Hazard, Cesc and Costa without taking much risk and then defend well to see out games. We need those players who can score goals even when the back 5 is not contributing much to the attack. Then we can beat lower teams the way we have been doing all these years and win points against big teams the way Chelsea do. That is the ultimate challenge. 76 points vs 79 points, FA cup or no FA cup- these are minor milestones and smaller debate. The real progress will only be gauged in terms of what are we lacking vis-A-vis Chelsea and how are we going about closing the gap. For me this window is a decisive transfer window. this will tell us where are we headed.

  101. Marc

    Anyone else having issues with the site freezing up?

    Midwest

    Never called you an idiot. You just seem overly pissed off today, a draw at Old Trafford is not a bad result. The performance could have been better but how many times have we been the better team and not got what we deserved?

  102. mysticleaves

    I wonder what people here were expecting against Man utd at old trafford. When was the last time a top 4 club OWNED man utd at OT? With Arsenal it must be different.

  103. MidwestGun

    Keyser –
    We fucking drew.., after just beating them last time at OT. (Relevant to progress) On a deflected goal. In a lackluster performance. Not just lackluster performance but worst half in ten years. Again, it’s relevant not idiotic because that’s our best 11.
    Anyhow, I’m done with you today, because you have resorted to your usual name calling about intelligence when you don’t see it your way.
    If I’m an idiot.., then this world has problems beyond Afc.

  104. qna

    Le Prof: You’re 19 and from Nigeria. Close?

    Not even close. Your a racist biggot who thinks he is better than Africans and young people, among others. Close? Lifes to short to talk to clowns like you mate. Fuck off.

  105. Keyser

    Midwest – Seriously the more you mention that half, the more I lose hope for you, you’re now soo stubborn, you’d rather carry on a fallacious line of reasoning rather than move on.

    We had to win a cup tie, we won, we had to avoid a loss to retain 3rd place, we did both.

    You’re going to come up with some bullshit stat over 10 years, but not consider our record at Old Trafford over the same period.

    It’s idiotic.