Sensational mental strength from Arsenal

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Not going to lie hear ladies and Gents, I had my doubts about yesterday’s result. We don’t do things the easy way. Arsenal this year, so far has been all about ease and simplicity. Could we really maintain our focus?

Hull were and are firmly in the mix of a relegation battle. Arsenal are all but secured for top four with only the FA Cup to fight for. It could have been messy.

Thankfully we bossed the game pretty much from start to finish. The starting 11 had very few surprises, our best back four was set up, in midfield Santi and Coq pinned, Ozil through the middle with a front three of Sanchez, Rambo and Giroud.

We controlled the tempo and played with all the swagger of a team that finally found its balance. Our first two goals came with a dollop of Frank Lampard like fortune. Alexis Sanchez whipped a freekick in off Michael Dawsons head for our first. The second came when Santi picked out a blistering Aaron Ramsey run, the Welshman stunned the ball, turned inside his man and rifled off a shot that pinged in off Brady into the top corner. Exquisite regardless of the balls final journey.

We capped off the half with Sanchez rounding the keeper with a clean / zero deflections kind of goal.

Hull had the chance to make us worry, Santi lost the ball through the middle, Koscielny was crunched in what looked like a brutal crunch tackle, the ball was whipped into the box and they headed home for the consolation.

So, 1-3 up North. A touch closer to Chelsea in the finished title race. Well and truly in the mix for second.

Thoughts…

Mesut:

Absolutely breathtaking at times. He blends in and out like a clockwork ghost. His touches were nothing short of mesmerising at times. He’s adapted to the pace of the league fully and he’s toying with it every week. If we bring him back after summer in this form, we’ll be in for a treat next season.

Santi:

Strong performance in that deeper role. It’ll be interesting to see what the manager does with one of the seasons unsung heroes. Can he pin a midfield at 31? Does he have a strong future in our starting 11? A superb talent, I just wonder how influential he can continue to be. Have we reached peak Santi? A big question this summer, especially as contract negotiations have apparently stuttered.

Ramsey:

A much stronger showing over the last month. I still wonder though. He’s kind of the opposite of problem to Ozil. He’s all action, spectacular but quite wasteful. He wants life through the middle, he wants to score all the goals but often at the expense of the team. He’s great to watch, I think he could do with a bit of mentor time with Ozil. He’s going to have to craft his talent over the next year to grow his importance in the starting 11.

Next up:

We have a lovely few days off to prepare for Swansea at home. The return of Fabianski. I hope we all boo him mercilessly for his betrayal. Gary Monk is doing a sterling job over there. A very likeable character. Then it’s United the weekend after. They play Palace before us and have an extra day of rest over us (CONSPIRACY). That should be a fun game. A real tough match against a team who I have no doubt we’ll be tussling with next season after they blow another £150m on players.

Ratings:

Here they are >>> Arsenal player ratings

Geordie Fans:

Enjoyed this read about Geordie fans not being the most destructive entitled fans in the UK. Kind of reminded me of the feeling I used to get when journalists who dip in and out of Arsenal would tell us how grateful we should be of a manager who injured all our players and didn’t engage in tactics. Not sure if I’d agree with the article though, little bit too much innocence in there. I’m reminded of them bringing in Alan Shearer, with zero experience to oversee a relegation… pushing Pardew out and replacing him with a man who can’t stop telling the world he’s ‘one of them’… fans singing about the fat Cockney in charge relentlessly. It’s all a bit, well, Newcastle…

Appeal:

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  1. salparadisenyc

    Kwik

    Agreed.. Carvajal should of been sent off.

    Juve should of buried the dagger further and got the third, think they’ll pay for it on the return.

  2. London gunner

    Ramos looks like a pretty and has that galitco image.

    But If he was an ugly dilbert would he be anywhere near RM first team?

    But then again his headed goals won them the CL last year.

    His one of those players whose capable of greAt moments, but at the same time can also be a massive liability

  3. Bamford10

    Matt Spiro of the Ligue 1 Show and Bein Sports saying that Arsenal are looking at two Ligue 1 players: Monaco CB Aymen Abdennour & Lyon FWD Nabil Fekir.

    For what it’s worth.

  4. MidwestGun

    Bamford –
    True… but, Juventus play a 2 striker system. So he would be playing the Morata position in their attack. If given a choice, I’d rather upgrade with Vidal in our midfield.

  5. qna

    Its kind of a shame Morata didnt want to sign for us. Would have at least blocked our buy of Welbeck. Cost only 1m more, earns half as much, and is twice as good.

    How many years and how many wasted created assists until we finally do what United did and ditch Welbeck. I personally think that is what costs you trophies and cup progression. Wasting the chances that you do create and Welbeck is the top of the class in wasting chances.

  6. tunnygriffboy

    Qna

    Sorry but no way is Morata twice as good as welbeck. According to whoscored.com when welbeck plays through the centre his stats are similar to Morata. I can understand your preference for the Spaniard but to say twice as good is a bit ott

    Welbeck earns more because he plays in England.

  7. peanuts&monkeys

    wenger was asked is Arsenal can win Pl next year. He couldnt even muster the courage of conviction saying, ‘yes we can’. How tame! Bugger, if you would have told that ‘ yes we can’ to the world you could have forced a change of mindset in your pack of mules and donkeys to put in more and step on the gas. This man is finished. Sack him, Ivan. Wenger out!!!

  8. peanuts&monkeys

    The biggest fear for the next season is that we will go from average this season to bad because of Wenger’s deteriorating tactical capabilities.

    The 2nd biggest fear is that WengerMotherfucker will sell players to satisfy his master to buy NFL players back in the US. Or simply, to make more money.

  9. qna

    TGB: Sorry but no way is Morata twice as good as welbeck. …… Welbeck earns more because he plays in England.

    Well, considering Welbeck is rank average, twice as good does not mean that much. Forget about stats of playing through the middle. Welbeck is not a play through the middle striker anyway. He has never been at United either. Wait until the Euros when the pressure is on and the teams are all high quality and see how many Euro qualifiers top goal scorer manages.

    Regarding being paid more because he is in England. This is again bullshit. You really should ignore everything that Keyser posts. Its utter bullshit. There are plenty of players playing in England that get paid less than players in Italy, Spain or Germany. Differences in taxation will be the only difference as “take home” pay will be the only thing that matters. By your definition if a footballer is offered the same pay (after taxes) to play at Southampton vs the same pay after taxes to play at Empoli, then he must always choose Empoli. What bullshit. If he has a preference for a club, a league, or a language, that may influence, but he wont be demanding more pay to step foot in England.

  10. tunnygriffboy

    Qna

    Why be so rude ?

    The wages in the premier league on average are far higher than leagues aroud Europe . I’m not listening to Keyser I’m able to work that out on my own. It’s my opinion that I think Welbeck has a lot to offer. It obviously different to yours. Because my opnions differ from yours doesn’t mean they arebullshit.

  11. Wallace

    qna

    apologies for linking to the mail….

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2833020/Premier-League-wages-dwarf-Europe-flight-players-England-earning-average-2-3million-year.html

    “Premier League footballers earn £2.3million a year each on average, or £43,717 a week, giving them wages almost 60 per cent bigger in 2014 than their closest earnings rivals in Germany’s Bundesliga, an exclusive Sportsmail study of football leagues around the world has revealed.

    Players in Germany’s top division earn £1.46m a year on average, or £28,011 a week, with players in Italy’s Serie A next best remunerated on £1.3m a year (£25,263 a week), followed by those in Spain’s La Liga on £1.2m a year (£23,327 a week).”

  12. Gregg

    Wallace,

    Morning mate. Interesting piece on the wages. I didn’t realise we more or less doubled La-Liga and with the new TV deal then that figure will rise dramatically again.

  13. Wallace

    Gregg

    yeah, it’s crazy. i read somewhere that Dortmund’s wage bill compares with teams in the lower reaches of the PL. so while there’s definitely a few Arsenal players not giving value for money on what we pay them(Podolski…), most are earning pretty much what you’d expect for playing in a top team in the world’s richest league.

  14. Nasri's Mouth

    @Gregg

    I think with a combination of FFP and a greater proportion of investor/not quite so stupid owners we wont see the whole increase swallowed up by increased wages.

    There’s some irony in the fact that now PL clubs are finally in a position where they could actually afford to waste some money, they’re being run much more efficiently.

  15. tunnygriffboy

    NM

    I think buy back clause was a problem ( he’s got one at juve ). Also as usual Madrid bwere playing funny beggers with the fee. I’m happy with Welbeck tbh.

    Funny how at the beginning of the season all the pundits were saying Chelsea, city, man u with Van Gaal and Rodgers with 100 million were going to finish above us. Now we’re rubbish be cause we didn’t win the league. Goalposts changed or what ?

    This run we are on is not just end of season rush to fourth.
    After 7 games we were 9 points behind Chelsea
    27 games later we are 10 points behind them having matched them point for point over that 28 game period.
    It included periods where we had Chambers at right back, Monreal at CB and Flamini in midfield. Also Ozil and Giroud injured amongst others.

  16. tunnygriffboy

    NM

    More money and being run more efficiently is great. Couldn’t they give some of that surplus to the supporters ?

    Stat of the day : Santi came to us in 2012. Since then he has 28 assists. That is more than anyone else during that time.

  17. qna

    TGB. I wasn’t meaning to be rude to you. But I was being rude to Keyser. He is equally rude so I have no issues with being rude to him. Appologies to you but at the same time calling bullshit when I see bullshit is not personal by the way.

    Wallace. Yes the wages are bloated in the EPL. I am not denying that. The point is that we could have got somebody like Morata on the same wage he is on at Juve, if he was interested in joining our club, or our league. If he is better than Welbeck and on the same or less wage, then we should have chosen the better player.

    Its obvious that the PL has higher total wages. The PL has the most TV money. But this does not at all mean that the PL has the most talent. Far from it. Its not difficult to understand why the PL wages are bloated. For example, a guy like Sadio Mane, who signs for Southampton from Red Bull Salzberg. His salary is around £21k/month. Now, this is his natural price and he would get close to that in most top leagues. Obviously, Southampton offer was one of the biggest, but you could expect somebody like him to play in the other leagues at around this salary. So in actual fact he comes here on a near market rate salary (European market). Now he has performed very well in the PL, not all players do, so his next contract will be bloated, since there will be 10 other PL clubs willing to pay him a lot more than this, so to secure him Southampton may have to offer him over £60k/month. If he had gone to Germany on the same starting wage and performed, his next contract may have only been £40k/wk. So this is main reason why seasoned foreign players of the PL have higher wages than they would get in other European leagues. The second, and primary reason is that most of the clubs in the are filled with British footballers. There are very few very gifted British footballers, so the 20 or so cashed up PL clubs compete very heavily for few very good players. So the supply is very low and the demand is very high. Not to mention the reward for staying up, or consequences of going down means that most clubs spend everything they possibly have.

    The two smartest clubs in England are Chelsea and City, who do not rely on British players in their squad. They each have just two squad positions for Brits, so they spend their wages on the best available players in the market, and so are basically competing with Madrid, Barca, Bayern and PSG, but within Chelsea and City’s smaller budget. United are different, but they have around £50m more than each of these, so the wastage in salaries is not noticable. But, United are the 2nd richest club in the world. They could buy anyone and pay anyone salary. They can afford any manager. Yet, they are woefully under-performing both domestically and in Europe. I believe they suffer from the same problem that Arsenal do, in that they tie their own hands by trying to play with British players, rather than just buying the best players they can. I think that they have already started to rectify this with big players last summer and I think they will continue to do this every year. They are the biggest threat to total dominance of the PL in the next decade. Not City or Chelsea.

  18. Nasri's Mouth

    qna: The two smartest clubs in England are Chelsea and City

    Chelsea are pretty smart, though it took them 10+ years and a massive amount of overspending to work it out.

    City, not so much, they’ve bought badly for the long term, and they overspent on wages.

    ManU have always had a policy of buying the best,the reasons for the current situation are down to their lack of succession planning

  19. qna

    TGB: Funny how at the beginning of the season all the pundits were saying Chelsea, city, man u with Van Gaal and Rodgers with 100 million were going to finish above us. Now we’re rubbish be cause we didn’t win the league. Goalposts changed or what ?

    Well, not many people put Liverpool or United ahead of us I would say. But I think they expected us to somehow drop to 4th, not by logic, but simply by habit. The goal posts have in fact moved TGB. Its just that they moved backwards. We will likely finish the league on exactly the same number of points as we did last season (assuming as I predict that we lose to United and win the rest). So we will finish with an identical number of points, but finish 2nd. So in this case, the goal posts have moved in our favour, while we just stood still. Dont forget how much money we spent either TGB. We spent all that money to stand still.

  20. tunnygriffboy

    Qna

    No worries

    I agree with much of your post. I will mention City though regarding home grown players. They are in a tricky situation. They have so few they have to buy to fill their quota and knowing this other clubs will ask for huge fees for their british players. Add the fact ffp is hitting them and they need to off load somehigh earners and they’ve got problems

    Got to be honest I like the fact we’ve got players like Wilshere, Gibbs, Ramsey, Walcott, Ox, Bellerin etc who have been at the club as teenagers. Gives an identity to the team and players who have a feeling for the club. That core ( I know you don’t like ) plus some exerience and players in their prime and adding a WC player every year means we are going in the right direction going forward.

  21. qna

    NM: Chelsea are pretty smart, though it took them 10+ years and a massive amount of overspending to work it out.

    Agreed. Hate them. (Cunts). But they are now running the club to excellent efficiency. (The pricks.) And they are getting rewarded with it by awesome commercial deals with global brands that we would be lucky to have interested in doing business with us. (Maggots).

    NM: City, not so much, they’ve bought badly for the long term, and they overspent on wages.

    Not really. They won the title last year and are in 2nd place this season. They have scored the most goals this season. Their problem has been defensively and they tried to address this in the summer. FFP came in and has hurt their strategy. It takes time for them to recover, but they will. They are smart by not worrying about building the British core.

    NM: ManU have always had a policy of buying the best,the reasons for the current situation are down to their lack of succession planning.

    No, they have always bought the best British players. They scouted some great young talent (like Ronaldo, Pogba), but they have seldom gone and bought the best international players. The times that they did were rare. They were lucky in that in those days guys like Giggs and Scholes were actually world class and so was Rooney. But they can do better than Young, Jones, Smalling and even Carrick if they lift their eyes and look across the pond.

    I am actually worried that this Nigerian guy might buy the club. I am actually against the current owners as well, but at least they dont have an agenda. Would hate to see us buy every half decent nigerian player. Lucky for Chelsea, Roman stopped this more or less after Schevchenko. The reason that Club football is better than International football is because you are not restricted in which players you can get. Scour the Earth and pick the best. The minute you have an agenda like develop British players or Nigerian players, you are handicapping yourself. Arsenal are severely handicapped in that of the British players we have, none of them are world class. None of them would get a game in Barca, Madrid, Bayern or PSG. At least Hart, Rooney (if fit), Terry would each probably get into one or two of those teams. E.g, Hart into PSG, Madrid. Rooney to PSG, Bayern. Terry into probably any on rotation.

  22. Wallace

    qna

    i guess we differ on the kind of club we’d like Arsenal to be. i like the way we’ve been going the last 2yrs – some really big signings and some talented young players coming through. you seem to prefer a Madrid/Man City/PSG model.

    plus, i’d be uneasy about fielding a first 11 with no English players anywhere near it on a regular basis. Barca and Bayern have shown you can be a huge club while still developing your own players. i think that’s the far classier approach.

  23. tunnygriffboy

    Qna

    There were a lot of pundits and reporters saying we would miss out on 4th place and were quite gleeful about it. There was a smug satisfaction among them after our horrendous start which was proving them right

    Irrespective of points if we finish 2nd we will be the second best team in the league. Last year we were fourth best. I’m struggling to see that we haven’t improved. We’ve got a much different team to last season, the squad is deeper, young players are maturing and we’ve added stardust with Sanchez.

    With the money in the league teams are becoming stronger. Add to that improvements in conditionig and organization and tactics and each game is becoming harder and harder. There are no gimmes especially away from home.

  24. Wallace

    qna

    “The minute you have an agenda like develop British players or Nigerian players, you are handicapping yourself. ”

    you really think Arsenal, an English football club playing in the Premier League, have no responsibilty to develop English players?

  25. tunnygriffboy

    Qna

    Though we have money we have been nowhere near the spending ability of the big teams and sugar daddy clubs. We are only now are spending money at that rate. They have had years of buying these players so for the moment they have the upper hand in terms of strength of squad as they have a great base to work from

    We have had to use young players with potential. And I really like to see these develop. It gives supporters a link between the players and fans. I hope we continue it supplementing them with WC talent. Over the last 3 years oursquad has change considerably and for the better.

  26. Nasri's Mouth

    @qna

    go and look at this:

    http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/manchester-united/alletransfers/verein/985

    and see how much they spent on English players compared to foreign players.

    Of course they bought some top English players, Ferdinand and Rooney, but that was because they happened to be very good.

    For every Rooney there was an RvP or a van Nistelrooy

    For every Ferdinand there was a Vidic

    They had Schmeichel and now they’ve got De Gea

    Even in Moyes time they bought Mata and Fellaini, and tried to sign Herrera.

    This season they’ve bought Shaw, but they’ve also bought Di Maria, Blind, Rojo and Falcao, as well as signing Herrera

    Their current troubles are nothing to do with some made up idea that they’ve focused on English players. As you’d like to say, it’s utter BS

    As for the Nigerian, I wouldn’t worry

    Kroenke doesn’t sell,

    New TV deals mean he can make more money, or the club would cost even more, whichever way you want to look at it.

    There have been numerous stories in the media from people wanting to buy this or that club, its the ones that don’t talk about it that tend to do the buying

    And these days, PL clubs aren’t a plaything for their owners. Their investments in one form or another (some like Kroenke to make money, others like Roman and Usmanov to improve their western relations)

  27. Nasri's Mouth

    qna: Not really. They won the title last year and are in 2nd place this season. They have scored the most goals this season.

    Their squad has an average age of 29.5 years old and their only young players are either rubbish, Mangala or a crock, Jovetic

    With the money they’ve spent they SHOULD be winning titles or challenging right till the end of the season EVERY season. They spent £50m more than us on wages this season, they’ve spent loads more on their squad than ours, they should be well above us.

    They’ve definitely not spent well recently.

  28. Nasri's Mouth

    tunnygriffboy: I think buy back clause was a problem ( he’s got one at juve ). Also as usual Madrid bwere playing funny beggers with the fee. I’m happy with Welbeck tbh.

    I’d rather have Morata, but not on a buyback to Real Madrid.

    We’re not their supply team, we’re not Spurs for gods sake

  29. Blsany

    Sanchez has to tell Ramsey to play like Vidal. Arguably the world best industrial midfielder.Bale for a guy worth over 100 mill Euros, he is so terrible and contributes close to nothing towards play. I have never got what the fuss was about. He is only good if he is provided with space to run into. Top clubs don’t do that…it is not surprising he has been poor in many of Madrid’s big games. Ronaldo’s goal gives them hope…that much is clear but they are playing an Italian team that only needs a draw. Chielini v Suarez round 2 is still on though.Morata looks like a top top player on last nights performance.Is Serie A on its way back?

  30. qna

    Wallace: you really think Arsenal, an English football club playing in the Premier League, have no responsibility to develop English players?

    Why should Arsenal have that responsibility and not Chelsea or City. This is the problem. You don’t gain anything by taking a moral high ground and then not winning the trophies. BTW, Arsenal can still take on the responsibility of developing English players through its Youth system. Then, if and only if, a player becomes good enough to win a spot in the first team from which ever multi-national superstars that the club’s finances allow them to have, that player should get a game. The majority of other players who dont make it, should be sold, to pay for the youth training system.

    NM. I said historically they didnt go and buy superstars. Not overseas players. RVP was recent and was an exception to the rule. Van Nistelroy was a big buy, but other than that you probably have to go back to Cantona.

  31. qna

    NM: Their squad has an average age of 29.5 years old and their only young players are either rubbish, Mangala or a crock, Jovetic

    Yes. I agree with this. Mangala was a crock. Jovetic was a player that many on here were crying out for. I was not. No idea why they wanted to sign Sanga, but he was on a free I guess. But I think last summer, they tried to buy one more title, sensing a window of opportunity was still open with Aguero still of age and expecting Toure and Silva to continue on more or less at the same level. How were they to know that such a dramatic shift in form of so many players would occur. For example Toure, Dzeko. Hindsight is 20/20, but they tried to shore up their defense and trusted their attacking players. The fact that they scored more than any other in the league still supports that idea was correct, although the execution was poor.

    Now they are in a bit of a situation. But lets not forget that their 30yo+ players are not hacks. They do have a considerable annual funds coming in and if they can get rid of some players from their wage bill, they can bring in some top talent and still compete. They can get out of this situation in 2 to 3 years without much difficulty.

  32. tunnygriffboy

    Qna

    We have a load of young players playing in other leagues. They weren’t quite good enough

    We have to have a quota of home grown players. It’s why City have been linked with Danny Rose and Cresswell, neither of which are better than Giggs

    We are well known for giving young players a chance and developing them. I hope this continues. In the past just as they reached their prime they jumped ship. We couldn’t afford wages compared to other clubs or afford the stars needed to make them stay. Now we can afford wages and WC talent coming in. There is no need for them to leave.

  33. Emiratesstroller

    I watched yesterday’s match between Juventus and Real Madrid and frankly I saw nothing there which suggests that these teams are better than what is on offer in EPL.

    The reasons that our top teams do not play well in Europe is pretty obvious. Our League is competitive and energy strapping. Also our television scheduling does absolutely no favours to the clubs. Clubs like Barcelona and Real Madrid are able to exert influence on the TV Companies in Spain.

    When I watch Real Madrid I see one outstanding player in Ronaldo but very little else is exceptional even if the so called transfer valuations are stratospheric. Bale may have fetched a stratospheric transfer fee based on one very
    good season, but I would not value him above Sanchez. Varane is valued at more than any CB in England, but he showed a lot of inexperience last night
    and the idea that Isco is a £40 million player is laughable. Frankly he could not lick the boots of Ozil.

    The only team in Europe which is better than Chelsea is perhaps Barcelona.
    Teams like Juventus and Real Madrid are certainly no better than Arsenal whatever the media and pundits may think.

  34. Blsany

    “When I watch Real Madrid I see one outstanding player in Ronaldo but very little else is exceptional even if the so called transfer valuations are stratospheric”

    Tap-in-aldo scores another one to add to his almighty collection of one-yard screamers, after his teammates did all the good work.
    Followed, naturally, by the “come over ye and worship your master” celebration.
    If there is one thing that is certain in life, its that he’s a prize:
    Cock!

  35. qna

    TGB: We have to have a quota of home grown players. It’s why City have been linked with Danny Rose and Cresswell, neither of which are better than *Gibbs*

    City buy and never use all sorts of HG players. I think they have learnt better. In a season you will use 23 to 25 players, but only 20 players intensively. The HG quota system sets restrictions. It does not say you must have 8 HG players. It says you cannot have more than 17 non HG players, excluding U21s. This gives all clubs a natural incentive to try to bring through young players. Actually, you can have very good footballers that are 18, 19 and 20. So if you have 2 to 3 good U21s like Bellerin, Gnabry and Martinez in your squad then you actually have already around 20 players at your disposal. You could still call upon your youth team players in emergencies, so you could potentially play the whole season WITHOUT any HG players. I am not saying we should do that, I am saying its possible. This is basically what City and Cheslea do, but also add 2 English players to the core list.

    TGB: We are well known for giving young players a chance and developing them. I hope this continues. In the past just as they reached their prime they jumped ship. We couldn’t afford wages compared to other clubs or afford the stars needed to make them stay. Now we can afford wages and WC talent coming in. There is no need for them to leave.

    We are also well known for finishing fourth and are well known as specialists in failure. But you are right, now our finances are no longer as restricted. We have more money to put into wages. But then the question becomes, do you want to use those extra finances to pay the wages of people like Rues and Pogba, or to keep players like Wilshere and Walcott. Because money is not unlimited and it eventually comes down to a choice like this. I know which choice I would make, and I also know which pair would most likely bring Arsenal glory.

  36. Bankz

    The only team in Europe which is better than Chelsea is perhaps Barcelona.
    Teams like Juventus and Real Madrid are certainly no better than Arsenal whatever the media and pundits may think.

    Wow!
    You’re among those who think if we had beaten Monaco, we’d have beaten Jjuventus & knocked out Real Madrid, then gone all the way to the final & knocked out Barcelona(who I think will make the final next month)

    So hypothetically, Arsenal are the winners of the 2014/15 Uefa champions league.

    Add that to the FAcup ,”finish above 4th place” trophy & our “pride” trophy, that will be Arsenal winning the Quadruple this season.

  37. Gregg

    The Home grown requirement important and it’s becoming a huge issue for Man City. They are already walking a tightrope on FFP sanctions and now find themselves having to recruit HG players which as we know will come with high premium. Both Milner is likely to leave and Clichy has regressed so badly that it’s a massive headache for them.

    Expect a bid for Schneiderlin from them

  38. tunnygriffboy

    Qna

    Our buying and wage bill up until 2013/14 has suggested that 4th should be the position we will finishing. Since we have started spending we have won a cup, are in another final and have a chance to finish second. Something we haven’t done in years.

    We haven’t necessarily been specialists in failure. 4 th is where we should be finishing with our finances. Though many teams have spent loads more than us, we pay better wages. We have neither over achieved or under achieved. We have a couple of good sides over the last ten years but none better than we are building now.

    Home grown players give fans an affinity with the club and we have some very good ones who have not yet hit their ceiling.

  39. Emiratesstroller

    Bisany

    No I am not trolling.

    Until now I would have argued that Real Madrid were much better than Arsenal, but on evidence of last night’s performance I don’t think so.

    Real Madrid were defensively very average and I saw nothing in their midfield
    which was better than ours.

    It would be interesting to match Juventus with the top four teams in EPL. Frankly I don’t think that they would win the title if they played there and might struggle to make top three.

  40. qna

    TGB: We haven’t necessarily been specialists in failure. 4 th is where we should be finishing with our finances.

    Well I agree that 4th is par for us. But we are still only 4th in our spending. This is to the core of my argument. We have to get more bang for our buck to make our lower spending be more effective. Let alone if we are less effective by having players on such bloated contracts where we overpay compared to what they contribute to the team.

    TGB. Do you think Chelseas fans will be complaining about lack of affinity to the team because only Terry and Cahill were British? Or are Arsenal fans more sophisticated, and somehow more noble.

  41. Emiratesstroller

    Bankz

    Actually I do think that Arsenal are better than Juventus. Juventus have a solid
    defence but I don’t think that they are brilliant.

    They won 1-0 to Monaco at home and drew 0-0 away. We had a bad day at office at home against Monaco but outplayed them in away leg.

  42. Le Prof

    qna

    Have you changed your name from iilerumino or something like that?

    He was Nigerian and seemed to spout a similar sort of nonsense that you do. Coincidence?

  43. tunnygriffboy

    Qna

    I don’t care what Chelsea fans think tbh. It’s a club that have the strongest youth team in the country but no one ever makes the first team. They may have to bring a few in as ffp kicks in. It’ll be itersting

    We don’t have to have HG players to succeed but for me seeing these players develop is a good thing. Most of them have developed well and are hitting their prime just as we are buying WC players. They are important for the club. I think the majority of fans like to see these young players come through.

  44. Marko

    I think Chelsea getting praise for they’re recent net spend is a bit more down to Everton and PSG being stupid enough to spend 28 million and 40+ million for Lukaku and Luiz. They’re actually a bit scummy really they buy these players like DeBruyne , Lukaku, Bertrand, Piazon, Paselic etc make all these promises but send them on loan in the hope that they impress enough so they can sell on for a profit. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t but it can have a negative effect on a potential talent’s career

  45. qna

    E stroller. You have lost the plot mate. Deluded without any cause at all to back your crazy statements. PL teams were clearly inferior in bith European comps. No way Chelsea is one of the best teams in Europe this yeat. Juventus are better than Chelsea as are numerous other teams. Time to get off the red and white coolaide mate.

  46. Blsany

    Emirates
    Real are better than Arsenal for you to say anything else is insane.Remember how they hammered Liverpool in group stages without getting out of 2nd gear well Juve made them look ordinary.Their most important players are Modric and Benzema.Not Penaldo you regard so highly.Problem was ramos at Dm.As good of player he is not at Dm.Juve would walk this leaugue with talent on their roster.I think the game in italy,Spain,Germany is of a higher technical quality with much better defenders and the idea that their game is inferior is largely in the mind of the english,If itallians keep outperforming English teams in europe they will surely take fourth qualifying spot away from the PL.Isco will be one of the best players in the world.If we could get him for 40million i would pay it .

  47. qna

    TGB:W e don’t have to have HG players to succeed but for me seeing these players develop is a good thing.

    I understand what your saying. Absolutely, there is joy in that. But what is your definition of succeed. It all depends on your ambition for the club. What if the players just are not good enough to give the club the success it is capable of. Like I said earlier. The club is limited by its finances. Lets say we could afford the wages and fees af both Reus and Pogba. But only if we sacrificed Wilshere and Walcott. Would you do it? Right now if you were in charge and had the choice? Or would you rather marvel at how we brought through Theo and Jack and they were nearly great players.

  48. Emiratesstroller

    qna

    That is your opinion. I agree that Barcelona are better than the teams at top of
    EPL, but I don’t that Real Madrid are as good this year as in past.

    Juventus played quite well yesterday and probably surprised Real Madrid with
    their aggression, but I don’t think that they are anything special. They lost recently to Fiorentina and Parma in Serie A and have also drawn 4 other games
    in league since beginning of January.

    I am basing Arsenal’s performance level in last 3 months and not what happened in first half of season and yes I would fancy Arsenal to beat Juventus providing that we have similar playing schedule to them before the fixture.

  49. Bamford10

    Emirates

    “Teams like Juventus and Real Madrid are certainly no better than Arsenal whatever the media and pundits may think.”

    No offense, Emirates, but you’re out of your mind. You’ve lost a bit of credibility with this remark. Both of these teams are much better than Arsenal. Much better.

  50. Thomas

    “The only team in Europe which is better than Chelsea is perhaps Barcelona.
    Teams like Juventus and Real Madrid are certainly no better than Arsenal whatever the media and pundits may think.”
    _________________________________

    Lolololololololol

  51. qna

    TGB: Just out of interest what have you got against our HG players ? You seem very anti some very good players who will develop further.

    Purely talant and or the fact that they are overpaid for what they deliver. But I would add some non HG players that we have to that list. And these are all players I was againat us signing from DAY 1.

    Overpaid: Walcott (£100k), Wilshere (£90k), Rosicky (£85k)

    Lack ability: Gibbs (£60k), Welbeck (£75k), Arteta (£80k), Diaby (£60k), Schezeny (£85k), Podolski (£100k)

    Ramsey and Ox are worth keeping. Ox has a great future. As of now, he is just talent. We can do better than Ramsey, but he is good for the squad. Chambers is only 19. His only possible future is CB. Wont be a good RB. But lets see. Dont think we should have spent £16m on him though, but at the time I liked the intent.

    I am not against HG or anti-British or anti-anyone. But I am pro-quality.

  52. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Bayern are the bench mark we should be looking at ..

    Madrid will also cherry pick the best at a cost…
    Barca will be a want to join club cos of history ,,,
    Juve ?
    Not sure could be a force again after they down sized few years back .

  53. Bamford10

    Emirates

    “The only team in Europe which is better than Chelsea is perhaps Barcelona.”

    Complete tripe. PSG were better than Chelsea. Did you even watch that tie? And so too are Bayern, Madrid and Juventus.

    Both sides last night were missing key players — Pogba, Modric, etc. — and are still way above us even without these players.

    You’re delusional. Sorry.

  54. Blsany

    RSPC
    “Could jack play in the centre with coq ?With ozil in front”

    Yeah i’d like to see that happen.Santi could do with a rest.i think it would work well.Jack looked good when he came on.Jack and Mesut through the middle has to happen sometime this season.

  55. Emiratesstroller

    Bamford 10

    If I were to apply your logic Schalke are a better team than Real Madrid because they beat them 3-2 away from home.

    Chelsea had a poor result at home to Paris St Germain just like we had against Monaco, but I bet that if we played Monaco 10x in a season we would beat them in more than 50% of games and I think that Chelsea would do the same
    against Paris St Germain.

  56. Bamford10

    Emirates

    No, I base my judgments on WATCHING these ties and teams, not simply on results. PSG were better than Chelsea. No question.

    Your comments above have me thinking you’re one of those who rarely watches non-EPL football. Again, no offense, but what you’ve said is patently ridiculous.

    Madrid, Bayern and PSG are all way better than Arsenal. Way better. As is Juventus.

  57. Blsany

    Bamford
    No he only watches Arsenal and all the players that wear our kit are the best in the world !

  58. qna

    Bamford; Madrid, Bayern and PSG are all way better than Arsenal. Way better. As is Juventus.

    I would add they aee also better than every other club in our league. Althletico is probably at about Chelseas level.

  59. Emiratesstroller

    Bamford 10

    I watch probably more Champions League and EPL games in the flesh than you do and I have probably watched football a lot longer than you have including most of the greatest teams on the planet in the last 50 years.

    Real Madrid are a good team but they are certainly not playing as well this season as they have done last season and are beatable.

    Juventus are a well organised defensively sound team but for all rhetoric are not that special. As I pointed out they won 1-0 against Monaco at home and drew 0-0 away. I don’t think that they are a better team than us and that is my opinion based on what I saw.

    I have not seen a lot of Bayern this season and I will judge them on tonight’s performance against Barcelona, but they have been vulnerable in CL games this season.

    Paris St Germain did beat Chelsea, but so what. Every team can have a bad night at office. Chelsea are still a better team whatever you say.

  60. vicky

    Am I the only one who thinks CR7 is not all that. Granted he scores a lot of goals but as far as skills are concerned. in my opinion he lags behind many great players. Messi is from another planet.But even If I leave Messi aside, the guys like Zidane, Brazilian Ronaldo, Ronaldinho looked different class. Ronaldo is good at scoring of tap-ins, headers, penalties, free kicks but very rarely does he produce WOW moments. Messi, Zidane etc always dazzle me with skills but the more I see CR7, the more I think he is over rated. Rarely beats players by exquisite dribbling, is not blessed with great vision either. Just a tremendous physical machine but nothing extraordinary about him. Can’t help but think if Suarez had Ronaldo level finishing skills, even he would have done more than CR7.

  61. Blsany

    “I watch probably more Champions League and EPL games in the flesh than you do and I have probably watched football a lot longer than you have including most of the greatest teams on the planet in the last 50 years.”

    That’s coz he lives in the states and you are season ticket holder.What’s your point.?

  62. Blsany

    Vicky
    I too don’t like the way Penaldo’s career has gone.I preferred him when he was young ,unpredictable ,dribbling winger.No one can argue with goals etc.. but something in his game died.I mean he can’t even beat player with a skill anymore. That’s the price you pay when you try to alter your game to keep up with the Messi.Last night he looked like a cumbersome old fashioned target man.

  63. Emiratesstroller

    Bisany

    I made my observation that I watch probably more football than Bamford 10
    because of the suggestion that I am an armchair viewer of only Arsenal games, which is completely untrue.

    I have been watching football since 1955 and have seen most of the great teams including the Real Madrid, Benefica teams of that era. I saw the Busby
    Babes against Arsenal in final game before Munich and the World Cup in 1966 including Final. I have been a season ticket holder for many years so
    that I have watched not only EPL games but also Champions League Football as well and yes I am a subscriber to Sky and BT so I have an opportunity to
    see European Football as well.

    As I said I have expressed my opinion about European Football this season.
    Real Madrid are not playing as well as last season. Juventus for me are defensively solid but are beatable and Bayern have also lost 2 games in Champions League.

    Football is an unpredictable game and just because Arsenal lost to Monaco
    and Chelsea lost to Paris St Germain does not mean that they are better teams.