Wenger hardly categoric on future of player

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Welcome!

Tired?

Did you stay up the whole way through to watch the MayPac fight? I didn’t. I went to bed and woke up. Bit of a bore fest. Felt like a Champions League final with Chelsea involved.

… holler if you’ve spent the whole morning removing viruses from your laptop because you tried to get a free feed for the match?

HOLLER!

Right. What’s going on with Arsenal today?

Well, Jack is ahead of schedule on the fitness front. Not sure how that works, he’s about 3 months behind by my reckoning.

“At the moment there are 30 days to go. What is my worry is Hull; I don’t care about the FA Cup at the moment. I am careful with Jack but he will play before the end of the season, of course. It is difficult to get in this team, I don’t deny that. If you consider any individual case you can say you are sorry that he doesn’t play.”

It’s going to be interesting to see what happens when he returns. Wenger said he needs one to two years of zero problems to regain his fitness.

“You live in a job where you need to trust your body. Jack is one of them who plays with freedom as soon as he’s back. So I don’t think on that front it will be a problem. He needs now one or two years without problems to really get the full confidence and belief back and I don’t see why it shouldn’t happen.”

I’m hoping that a lot of the injuries we suffered at the start of the season were because we didn’t have an embedded shad. Our injury record Jan onwards has been far more impressive and so has our win ratio. If we’re still picking up regular injury issues with Chambo, Jack and Theo moving into next season, then we have a problem with the players. Hopefully that’s not the case.

“He is an Arsenal player. I believe the success of the club in the future years will depend on how well the young players educated here will do. He is part of that.”

Interesting that Wenger has grouped him in with ‘young players’ when he talks about the future. He’s not said that he’s definitely staying. I’d be surprised to see him leave, but if a massive premium bid dropped for him, I’d be surprised to see us say no… if there’s a better option on the market. But we’ll see. I don’t want to see Jack leave, I want to see him focus, keep fit and deliver on his potential. I’m just thankful we’re not in a position where we need to rely on him…

I live with someone going through a relegation battle (sounds dark. Like the follow on sentence shouod be ‘For just £2 a month’), so I’m being entertained by the amount of teams winning at the bottom. Sunderland, Villa and WBA all picking up massive points yesterday.

Even more exciting, watching Newcastle lose heavily to Leicester, then watching John Carver lose his shit after. Accusing two players of purposefully picking up red cards! Amazing. They’re in the relegation dog fight and now their manager has just thrown them under the bus. That could be a terminal blow up. Quite incredible. Even more incredible was watching the ‘greatest fans in the world’ waving red cards and ‘Ashely out posters’… during the game. Also very tasteful to hear them sing a song about him being cockney and fat. Have a pop at someone because of where they’re from, that’s cool, it’s what we do in the UK (regional), but when you have a whole group of people trying to usurp someone for being a cockney, well, it’s a bit grubby.

Even more incredible was watching the ‘greatest fans in the world’ waving red cards and ‘Ashely out posters’… during the game. Also very tasteful to hear them sing a song about him being cockney and fat. Have a pop at someone because of where they’re from, that’s cool, it’s what we do in the UK (regional), but when you have a whole group of people trying to usurp someone for being a cockney, well, it’s a bit grubby.

They deserve all they’re getting and I hope they go down.

Also lovely to see LVG’s run come to a shuddering halt. I’ve been waiting for it for a while, it’s happening, but it doesn’t look like Liverpool have enough to break into the top four. Which is a shame. Nothing sweeter than Robin missing a penalty / Tony Pulis winning with 22% possession.

Big game for us tomorrow. Hull are on a winning streak of two. We don’t want to help them to three. I’m not a fan of Steve Bruce. Nor The Tigers. Let’s take them down. Big game, no let up. We need second this season.

Right, that’s me done. See you later!


348 Responses to “Wenger hardly categoric on future of player”

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  1. tunnygriffboy

    The experience of his defence has been huge in helping him win this season

    Goondawg

    Great point about producing a team with likes of Senderos, Almunia etc . Mourinho has always had one of the two best squads in whatever league he’s managed in. Be interesting to see how he would cope if he had to mix and match a squad without having all world class players.

    Does anybody here think that our squad is as strong as Chelsea’s ?

  2. Keyser

    “Now one can argue that such changes would not necessarily result in the title, but please don’t tell me he couldn’t have worked within Wenger’s budget over the past two seasons. Wenger has spent some 90m net, and said spend could easily be reconfigured so as to fit Mourinho’s priorities over Wenger’s”

    He has 90m worth of talent on loan, 90 Fucking million, and that’s not including Torres.

    If we’d had half of that available at any time in the last 10 years it could’ve had a massive impact on our season.

    You can twist this shit as much as you want it won’t change the situation.

  3. Redtruth

    It’s not tactics, Chelsea haven’t really been that good and Teams in the Premier league are not good enough to punish them like they are in the Champions league

  4. Keyser

    London gunner – Atletico don’t have the same choice.

    Simeone’s working what he has to it’s limits.

    Mourinho isn’t using half the resources he has.

    What is soo hard to understand ?

  5. london gunner

    People think being a WC manager is about winning the titles/silverware with inferior players? That is rather warped way of looking at things..

    Being a great manager goes above and beyond just coaching and match day football its also about selecting and acquiring the talent that can win you silverware. Lets be honest Mouriho has done a marvellous job at doing this.

    Whilst Wenger at times has been abject failure on that front with alumnia and senderos. If that’s your evidence that WEnger is such a great manager for securing 4th place with awful players that’s interesting as I personally see it as more proof that Wenger makes things harder for himself with mistakes a WC manager wont make or will make less of.

  6. vicky

    It is people’s frustration with our situation which is forcing them to sing praises of Mourinho. Would a Barca fan be really impressed with Jose ? He would turn his nose up at Jose.

  7. karim

    London

    1)ok well done Chelsea, but no pants-creaming as far as I am concerned

    2) . If playing nice football led him to the top spot, keep on playing nice football, the results should be about the same.

    3) not what I meant, excuse my French. They have less natural talent so, one is less demanding about the way they play.

    Anyway….

  8. David Smith

    Wenger may have his faults, but we should never forget the massive disparity of funding compared with Chelsea, and others over the last ten years when making evaluations of Wengers performance and comparisons with others. We have only achieved anything remotely approaching financial parity with these teams in the last two seasons, and on average, it takes longer than two seasons to build a title winning team. There are things I wish Wenger had done a lot differently, but would not use Chelsea as the benchmark, their lack of class, their constant cheating , their obnoxious manager….who thrives on instability and will not be around for long…. being just a few of the reasons. I would like the club to use us in the first half of wengers tenure as the benchmark for future performance, with or without Wenger.

  9. Thomas

    KeyserMay 3, 2015 16:30:46
    Not to mention Avram Grant. The Adams Families Jewish cousin was better than Mourinho’s ever been at Chelsea.

    —-

    Avram Grant won nothing. “Better than Mourinho” lololollolololol.

  10. tunnygriffboy

    London

    Fair play to Mourinho he won the title his way with the best squad in the league

    His snarkry comments over the last few weeks have shown that he’s been irked by talk of this negative football. Sure the Chelsea fans love it ( though they did agitate to get him out because theyy were fed up with it last time around) and the sychophats in the press always bend over for him. However the majority of other fans who will admit they deserve to win the title have no love for the style of football they play.

    Mourinho wants the adulation of an Ancellotti, Cruyff, Guardiola. He will never get it as they tried to play entertaining attacking football and won at the same time. People rightly or wrongly believe that with the players he has he could produce much more attacking football beating your rivals with skill not pragmatism or cynicism

    He tried it once for Madrid v Barca and got battered. He reverted to type after that. Either he won’t or can’t produce attacking football to beat teams that are of a similar standard to his.

  11. Redtruth

    It’s not about selecting and acquiring talent to win you silverware as Mourinho has bought a fair few duds in his time.
    It’s not rocket science, it’s all about spending big money, that’s the reason behind Mourinho’s success.

  12. london gunner

    Keyser

    But your missing the point Mourinho makes the choice because A. He is playing to his strength aka well drilled organised defensive football. B He thus calculates that this approach gives him the greatest chance of securing silverware. A pragmatic manager plays to his strengths and that’s what Mo is doing.

    What this debate is really about is the fact most people prefer attacking football to defensive football because they feel its more entertaining to watch.

    But three 1 nil victories are better than two four nil victories and a loss.

  13. Rosicky@Arsenal

    Maureen was sent off by Roman due to the boring stuff in his first stint at chelsea and i dont see any difference this time around.

    If he continue to play like this he will soon be packing his bags.

  14. Rosicky@Arsenal

    London Gunner

    I dont remember people criticizing Ancelotti or Pelligrini on winning the league as much they are criticizing Maureen today.

    Chelsea are the 2nd highest scorer and have won the league.Not convicing for me.

    I hope Arsenal overtake them in the remaining matches and they could be 3rd on goals scored sheet.

    Pathetic.

  15. Marko

    Effective but horrible to watch. That’s Chelsea. No need for everyone to get their panties in a bunch and defend them when someone calls them boring. But today summed them up the last couple months. Get a penalty score and then sit back and go defensive. Today’s 3 substitutions were Obi Mikel, Zouma and Filipe Luis. Honestly imo if/when Hazard eventually goes to Madrid or Barca or Bayern he won’t know himself.

  16. tunnygriffboy

    London

    Do you not think that if all sides set up like Chelsea when playing each other football would die a slow death ? Interest would wane, attendences drop, sponsors would get twitchy and the tv companies would have kittens. There would be boring nil nils every week. It happened in Italy in the 80s and 90s. People turned away from the game in droves.

    Parking the bus relies on opponents attacking you so your superstar play can produce a moment of individual brilliance to win the game for you.

  17. london gunner

    Tunny

    Not trying to be rude, but that is a load of horse crap.

    He can play attacking football the 6-0 destruction of us was pretty attacking 😉

    The highest points total for Real Madrid was pretty attacking. You don’t get the highest points total by drawing most of your games.

    Its quite ironic that when we won the invincible season that towards the end of the season we played for draws to extend our beaten run. Rather than see that as negative I see that as pragmatic and fucking brilliant, but biased Arsenal fans will criticize Mourinho for pragmatism and yet conveniently forget when we used to exercise a measure of it ourselves.

  18. Keyser

    London_gunner – Mate go back and look at last season.

    He sells Mata in January, he decides he doesn’t need Luis, he buys back Matic, he has Lukaku on loan, Courtois at Atletico, and De Bruyne he takes a couple of looks at and gives up on him.

    He wins nothing, not a single trophy, and finishes 4 points from top ?

    In the run in he loses to Crystal Palace and Aston Villa away, Sunderland at home, and draws with Norwich.

    If he’s that good a manager could he have used any of those players any better ?

    It isn’t about preference of style, it’s that Mourinho has the choice and when he feels threatened at all he reverts to the most tedious option.

    Atletico play that style because Simeone doesn’t have a massive squad, he can’t keep exchanging one World Class player for another, he doesn’t have shedloads of quality loan players, or the best youth team in the country let aloe Europe.

    Mourinho does it because he can.

    They lost to Bradford in the FA Cup, if you’re first teams tired, play youth players, blood them earlier in the season so you have a choice.

    Mourinho has this choice, but chooses not to.

    That’s what you should be worried about, and there’s little to no pressure on him to do so.

  19. Thomas

    Goondawg
    May 3, 2015 16:53:30

    Lol Thomas was all zzzzzzzzz’d up about Mayweather yet can’t stop rubbing one off at Mourinho’s vincibles

    ________

    Comparing Boxing and Football lololol.

  20. tunnygriffboy

    It’s so funny. We win away from home and everyone is up in arms because we played shit and should have battered opponents 4 nil. Mourinho does it and it’s a sign of brilliant tactics, not playing well but grinding out a win. Fickleness and double standards 🙂 🙂

  21. Keyser

    London_gunner – You’re Invincible comment sums it up.

    We pushed that team into the ground that year, there wasn’t much more we could’ve done that wouldn’t have relied on luck.

    Mourinho isn’t be pragmatic.

    Pragmatic with a 10 point lead and no fit strikers, would be to give one of their youngsters a shot up front.

    Instead he’s soo self-involved he won’t even consider it.

  22. london gunner

    tunny

    All sides wont though and to be frank we need defensive teams not just attacking ones so that we can have a balance league. With different qualities on show.

    I mean If it was all gung ho attacking football goals would start to lose their value when you start getting cricket like scores.

    Its the reason I have never been a fan of american sports they are to high scoring. I prefer sports where you really have to work for a single goal as to me it makes it more important and meaningful .

    “Parking the bus relies on opponents attacking you so your superstar play can produce a moment of individual brilliance to win the game for you.”

    I think that is a very misguided and incorrect way of looking at things. If anything he reigns in the WC individual elements of players and instead incorporates them into specialised team roles that contribute to the whole of the team at the sacrifice of the individual brilliance of a player.

    As for parking the bus, its not just that its also dominating the midfield and crushing the life out of an opponent.

  23. kwik fit

    All right now fella’s , gal’s and redtruth lets get down and boogie an enjoy Pedro’s new(back by popular demand )embedded vids……..As Mesut would say …Yarrrr baby!!!!

  24. london gunner

    Keyser

    Is Ancellotti a WC manager?

    Is Pep

    There are various arguments for and against why they are or why they aren’t and both managers have definite weaknesses and at the same time the odds stacked in their favour in their particular leagues, but personally I go by the record if a manager has a WC record he is a WC manager.

    If any manager could be given those top jobs and be successful with the resources at their disposal, why aren’t they?

    Why is Pep, Ancelotti and Mourinho given the big jobs and Martinez, Brendan, Fat Sam ect not? There must be something these incredibly intelligent wonderful CEO’s and Club presidents know that you don’t.

  25. tunnygriffboy

    London

    Firstly we had a poor side out that day we lost 6 nil. I wouldn’t put that side as a contender up against that Chelsea side. Plus it’s one game. Look at the fixtures against the top 5 sides this season. Both home and away he sat back and played two DMs in most of them.

    My point was that if every team did that when playing each other the game would be incredibly sterile and turn people off.

    It cost him CL exits two years running even with an exceptional squad

    Chelsea deserved the title. They had the best squad and the most points. As for me season after season of football like that would be mind numbing. Be interesting if with the talent he now has he can develop the style of play further.

  26. Rosicky@Arsenal

    London Gunner

    If you are so impressed by Jose why dont you stop watching Arsenal and spend your weekend at stamford bridge watching Maureens brand of high class entertaining football.

    I will prefer to watch Arsenals attacking game all night long.

  27. Dissenter

    Keyser,
    You’re still on this anti- Mourhino rampage.
    Give it up and focus in your own team.

    What’s stopped from signing a fourth central defender in the summer when it was clear Koshielny’s Achilles tendons were swollen.

    Its not like Chelsea’s team is filled with exorbitantly earning players.
    Ivanovic is league- best at his position, he cost £10 million pounds from Locomotive Moscow and earns £75kmweekly.
    Azpilequeta cost 7 million and earns about 80k weekly
    John Terry was a youth player and cost nothing in transfers.
    Cahill cost 7 million from Bolton and earns >110k weekly because he came when he was close to being free and is English.

    Their entire starting back four cost less than Ozil or Sanchez.

    They are a well run club, have the best youth system in the country: they won the UEFA U-21 champions league and U-21 FA cup this season.
    They have the unique opportunity to sell lackluster players and still make a profit.

    Stop all he griping and stop using Chelsea as a distraction.
    What’s stopped us from spending all the heist Kroenke/Wenger are storing up for the apocalypse ?
    .

  28. Keyser

    London_gunner – You look at each situation and treat it objectively, you’ve compared this Chelsea team to the Invincibles just because they both won titles, if that’s as far as your analysis goes them we should leave it there.

    You sound like a Belieber.

    If Justin Beiber gets to No.1 he must be as talented as any other person who ever gets to NO.1

    Bayern have won 25 out of the last 50 titles, they’ve reached 3 out of the last 5 Champions League finals, this year it could be 4 out of 6.

    And you’re saying what that Pep should be treated as an individual without considering any of the above.

    Chelsea reached Champions League finals with Avram Grant and Roberto Di Matteo.

    Mourinho’s a quality manager, he’s exceptional at getting things done.

    I’m not going to say he’s the greatest manager ever when you could just as readily argue he’s under-achieved.

    That last word, doesn’t seem to compute does it, it blows people’s simple minds.

  29. london gunner

    “Chelsea deserved the title. They had the best squad and the most points.”

    Yes and who assembled that squad? People say its not rocket science Mourinho buying Cesc or Costa if that’s the case why didn’t PSG? Man United? Or City?

    I mean City end up buying Bony for 30 million Mouriho gets costa for what 32? I have to say maybe its not the genius level decision making but rather the quantity of correct decisions made in regards to the league (not CL) that sets him above the rest.

    “My point was that if every team did that when playing each other the game would be incredibly sterile and turn people off.”

    But not every team will.. so what’s the problem? You don’t like Chelsea fine you have 19 other teams to watch. I was greatly entertained by Chelsea’s football till mid season after that point I can just watch other teams. I am spoilt for choice.

    “Look at the fixtures against the top 5 sides this season. Both home and away he sat back and played two DMs in most of them.”

    That is exactly what I wish we would do. You don’t get extra points for beating City. If we had a more cautious approach to these kind of games perhaps we wouldn’t of been routinely humiliated and have such an appalling record against the top teams.

    Don’t get me right the guy is a top cunt, but he is also a top manager. There is a reason CEO’s and Presidents of major clubs higher him because they know he will be successful.

  30. Dissenter

    It seems any attempt to objectively appraise the situation is met with remarks such as;
    “If you are so impressed by Jose why dont you stop watching Arsenal and spend your weekend at stamford bridge watching Maureens brand of high class entertaining football.”

    This anti-intellectual and puerile attitude should be condemned. Can’t we have a discussion without tarring people up with Chelski cum?

    Trying to rationally appraise the situation is not the same as being anti-Arsenal.

    Rosicky,Ughelli and all the usual “holier than thou” goobers, are you listening.

  31. Rosicky@Arsenal

    Dissenter

    We are discussing mainly About Maureens boring playing style which is pathetic to watch and ruining the game.

  32. Keyser

    London_gunner – What else are you pushing towards ? People say ‘Yes Mourinho’s done well.. but’

    and you’re saying ‘But what..’

    Like there’s no more to it.

    You don’t really have an argument other than ‘You should all join in with me celebrating Mourinho’s achievements’

  33. Goondawg

    People deriding Wenger need to note that if he so wanted to be could easily hav carved out a similar career to Mourinho, over the years how many cash rich clubs have attempted to prise Wenger away from us? Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and PSG to name a few.

    Instead Wenger stayed on and has managed the club well for over a decade, would Mourinho build a club for 26 years like Ferguson has or oversee a club move stadiums on a budget resources whilst still keeping us remain competitive in champions league football? No the cunt just packs and leaves and joins other cash rich clubs. Whereas We get has built a legacy. Wenger wants to build something sustainable, not sacrifice the health of the club for short-term success.

  34. Dissenter

    Keyser cannot a personal dislike for Mourhino and the need to give grudging praise when it is deserved.

    You talk as if it was happenstance that a team has won the league with 10 points ahead with three games to go.
    They haven’t been even pushed so we don’t know how much better they would have gotten.

    People criticizing Mourhino forget that his best striker was in and out of injuries and he had to keep adapting.

    I thought “1-0 to the Arsenal” was a compliment. If we had patented that chant back then, commentators would have been repeating Mourhino “just did an Arsenal”, every time Chelsea won 1-0.

  35. Keyser

    “Rosicky,Ughelli and all the usual “holier than thou” goobers, are you listening”

    I can’t believe you’re being rude after the stupidity you typed up.

    Chelsea’s squad cost more than ours, they have more resources.

    ..and you’re sayinng you’ve reached objectivity by comparing Chelsea’s back 4 to Ozil.

  36. vicky

    London

    Why do you support Arsenal when you find nothing wrong in Mourinho’s style and methods ? Arsenal stands against everything that Chelsea and Mourinho stand for. I know this question will rile you up but still I wonder what really makes you support Arsenal ? Geographical proximity ?

  37. Goondawg

    Let’s not pretend it’s just the top 5 sides Mourinho sits back and defends in numbers against. Did anyone see today’s game against Crystal palace? Three holding midfielders in the middle. Whether it be Burnley or Leicester City, Mourinho plays his negative football.

  38. Rosicky@Arsenal

    Dissenter

    What is rational approach?

    Wasting peopkes time with defensive football.

    Enjoyed watching spurs vs city match which was more entertaining than the maureen designed boring stuff.

  39. Dissenter

    Keyser,
    Me, like Dial?

    You’re are the one without self-awareness.
    Your smugness and condescending attitude is there for all to see.
    You think you know all, never agree to disagree and will use every trivia to claim a victory, when there’s none.

    That’s your modus operandi here.
    Consoling yourself by bitching like a drowning puppy is pathetic.
    Yea, Chelski are bad… and we are good. That’s the line you’ve been drumming here all week.

    All hail Chairman Keyser.

  40. Goondawg

    The first five minutes of the Spurs Man City game was a match more interesting than the whole Chelsea game. And that’s the title winning game their wonderfully expensively assembled team can conjure up? Fuck me as an arsenal supporter, that began watched free-flowing attractive football from the nineties, give me Wengerball any day.

  41. tunnygriffboy

    London

    Okay I agree parking the bus is a bit too simplistic. Shall we say he uses strength and power too stifle the game in the midfield area and plays his defence deep not to allow space.

    What is the difference between Chelsea and West Brom, West Ham, Sunderland doing it ? Chelsea have better defensive players. We win against these other sides as their defenders are not as good. Also the don’t have any number of £30 million attacking players to hurt you as much

    Also, don’t you think it’s sad that he reigns in WC talent to play a much more restricted game ? I would understand if it was now and again but this is his style and his default position against teams that are equal to his

    Re both teams playing this way. Itdid happen in Italy and the crowds eventually disappeared from the stadium. Do you remember the Chelsea v West Ham game last season, an awful nil nil ? Mourinho accused Allardyce of playing 18th century football which was a touch ironic 🙂 🙂

  42. Keyser

    Dissenter – No, I actually treat you like a adult, and read your replies, but you wander in with stupidity, and then despite me spending time to tell you why you’re wrong, you choose to ignore what I’ve said and continue.

    These are two quotes from you :

    “It seems any attempt to objectively appraise the situation..”

    “Their entire starting back four cost less than Ozil or Sanchez.”

    The operative word is ‘Objectively’

    Seriously I’ll try and word my thoughts differently if you can hold your hands up and say ‘You weren’t being objective’

  43. Dissenter

    Rosicky,
    Do you recall how we happy to sacrifice possession to City at the Etihad, if it meant we won the game?
    I see it as pragmatism. You can’t play every game the same.

    Chelsea were the best offensively in the first half of the season. Mourhino played his squad into the ground and started rotating in January.
    That’s when the pragmatic football started.
    They lost only two games in all season, that’s the type of record we should be trying to emulate.
    We have to defend as a team to stand a chance of winning the league again. My pout is Chelsea under Mourhino do that well.

    Do, I like the man, hell no but I will grudgingly acknowledge that he’s a good manager.

  44. Keyser

    Thomas – No you thick cunt, I’m giving you a link you can bookmark.

    Seriously it has almost every link you could need to a stream.

  45. Rosicky@Arsenal

    Goondwag

    No use to convince people who prefer to watch Maureens boring stuff over Arsenals attacking style.

    Everyone has a choice of his own.

    Let them watch Maureens brand.

    We are better off with our choice of footy.

    Tks to Wenger .

    Even mid table team like Newcastle played more entertaining game under Pardew to defeat Maureen.

    And tunny rightly pointed out the reason for chelsea defeat by psg whrre Maureen cut his own fingers by playing defensive game against 10 men.

    Poor chelsea.

  46. Dissenter

    Keyser,
    You’re really a mystery, I mean trying to decipher your wondering arguments is like seeking the golden fleece.
    You’ve been yapping and flapping about how Chleski can’t stop spending money when in fact, recently they have been operating at a profit.
    I subscribe to the often made point about them having the advantage and benefit from a legacy of hyper spending till about 4 years ago.
    Their best players cost less that we’ve recently spending.
    They know how to find the cheap signings that become world class too.

    That’s the point about their entire defense line.
    Azpilequeta-Cahill-Terry-Ivanovic didn’t cost them much. They are the product of a well managed transfer policy. Ivanovic and Azilequeta cost about the same as we paid for Chambers.
    Suck on this fact rather than meander through your thoughtless remarks.

    Frankly, I don’t know what point you’re unto, only you know what you’re ranting about.

  47. Rosicky@Arsenal

    Dissrnter

    Playing away at city with a bit of caution is something senible but playing againat palace at home like today is criminal.

  48. Keyser

    Dissenter – Do you understand the difference between ‘Objective’ and ‘Subjective’.

    ‘Objective’ Would be looking at how much Chelsea’s squad cost to assemble.

    ‘Subjective’ Would be picking specific players to try and make a general point.

    Felipe Luis cost 17 million and he’s the back-up to Azpilicueta.

    This is now stupidity on your part.

  49. leon

    all can say his congrats to chelsea the best team won the prem all those who think chelsea bought the title are fooling themselves they spent less than use bought smarter really good players. The fact is I dont think that we area any better off than last season. To winthe prem you must cut throat and ruthless and have real tactical ability and weather arsenal win the prem or until depend on how ruthless wenger is in the summer. If I was manger I would sell chezza,diaby release, sell wilshire,ozil,flamani,arteter and i would sell sonogo. But in truth if this is going have a real chance of winning the prem they need a new manager

  50. mysticleaves

    Bamford: Mystic
    “Fact is, Jose wouldn’t have won the league with our
    squad.”
    I’m no admirer of Mourinho, but fact is he would
    never have gone into a season with our squad.
    Would Mourinho ever have gone with Arteta and
    Flamini? No. He would have signed two athletic
    tacklers at the very least. Would he have relied
    upon Giroud? No. He would’ve demanded someone
    more mobile, more athletic. Sanogo or Welbeck?
    Never. Cazorla or Ramsey as the starting CM? No.
    Not athletic enough, not physical enough. I’m not
    even convinced he would’ve signed Ozil — despite
    his praise of him — as Ozil has many of the same
    limitations as Mata.
    Now one can argue that such changes would not
    necessarily result in the title, but please don’t tell
    me he couldn’t have worked within Wenger’s budget
    over the past two seasons. Wenger has spent some
    90m net, and said spend could easily be
    reconfigured so as to fit Mourinho’s priorities over
    Wenger’s.

    In a nutshell, go back just a year to Chelsea’s squad last year.

    And wasn’t Carzola in your team of the year this season? As a CM?

  51. vicky

    Dissenter

    Poor attempt. You conveniently choose two players they got on cheap ignoring loads of 20m player sent out on loan. 2 out of what 40 players ? May happen just by simple chance. Nothing to do with “well managed transfer policy”.

  52. tunnygriffboy

    London

    We’ve hit an impasse here 🙂 🙂

    They deserved to win the league. They’ve been more consistent than any other team. As for us we lost it in the first 7 games when we were 9 points behind them. Since then we’ve gone virtually point to point with them.

    Essentially I just find some of their tactics tiresome and un exciting. But each to their own I guess 🙂 🙂 🙂

  53. Keyser

    vicky – I can understand thinking that I’m a dick, and not wanting to back down.

    But that’s just clearly illogical, you don’t have to be especially smart, and it gets us nowhere.

  54. leon

    mysticleave i totally agree in my view ozil as a bad signing dont need him doesnt do enough and chaampions league game last season was the deal breaker for he crumbled completely choked and even this season against top teams bearly any assistants or goals in contrast to cesc who chelsea only spend 25 million has had great season scored goals, 16 assists and can play dm, as well

  55. leon

    I have always felt this team needs more powerful dynamic and direct players like chaimberlain and sanchez instead of the ineffective tipy tapy players like wilshire and ozil and why does not play risicky i dont know

  56. Keyser

    It’s not even that Chelsea won the title, it’s the idea that ‘Any means neccesary’ is ok and you can’t criticise them at all.

    If Usain Bolt never broke a World record, but each time just did what he could to win, stayed a hairs width in front of his closest rival, would he be half the personality he is now.

  57. vicky

    Keyser

    It’s just that people are frustrated with other teams winning leagues and us not even being close to winning it. As I said, a Barca fan would turn his nose up at Jose. But Arsenal fans have been waiting for so long that it’s getting very desperate now.

  58. Wallace

    Chelsea paid 14m for Costa. a company connected to Chelsea in some murky way already had a stake in him when he was at Atletico.

    congratulations to them for winning it. but no kid will ever take up the game after watching a Chelsea match. how you win separates the greats from the admired.

  59. london gunner

    Tunny

    “What is the difference between Chelsea and West Brom, West Ham, Sunderland doing it ? Chelsea have better defensive players.”

    What’s the difference between Arsenal and Swansea, Liverpool, tottenham, everton? Arsenal have better offensive players”

    See how that argument doesn’t really hold weight?

  60. london gunner

    “If Usain Bolt never broke a World record, but each time just did what he could to win, stayed a hairs width in front of his closest rival, would he be half the personality he is now.”

    Not a very good analogy. A premier league season isn’t a sprint its a marathon.

    Mouriho paces himself to be the first across the finish line. He could outright try and sprint the marathon, but that would lead him spent of energy before the finish line and allow his fellow opponents to pass him once he has crashed and burned. Personally I prefer Mouriho’s cautious pragmatism over gung ho throw all caution to the wind approach.

    He does what he needs to do and he does it well.

  61. Thomas

    Rosicky@Arsenal
    May 3, 2015 17:39:05

    London Gunner

    I dont remember people criticizing Ancelotti or Pelligrini on winning the league as much they are criticizing Maureen today.

    Chelsea are the 2nd highest scorer and have won the league.Not convicing for me.

    I hope Arsenal overtake them in the remaining matches and they could be 3rd on goals scored sheet.

    Pathetic.

    ______________

    Since when does the champion team have to score most goals?

  62. Thomas

    “We are better off with our choice of footy.

    Tks to Wenger .”

    _____________________

    Yeah so much better of aren’t we? Hahahahah. Dickhead.

  63. Keyser

    “Mouriho paces himself to be the first across the finish line.”

    Lol and Usain does what ? The distance doesn’t matter.

    Usain pushes himself to his limits, and he’s praised highly for that, he not only crosses the finishes line first but breaks records.

    You’re saying the time doesn’t matter as long as you cross the line first.

  64. london gunner

    Tunny

    “Also, don’t you think it’s sad that he reigns in WC talent to play a much more restricted game ? I would understand if it was now and again but this is his style and his default position against teams that are equal to hisRe both teams playing this way. ”

    I only think its sad because it means Chelsea will win more trophies at our expense, however, if I was a Chelsea fan I doubt I would be “sad” right now!”
    I don’t give two shits how we win the league as long as we win it.

    “Itdid happen in Italy and the crowds eventually disappeared from the stadium.”

    Yeah massive misreading of the situation. What happened was fans turned off by rampant corruption in football, as well as rising prices and falling wages and a increase in violence, hooliganism to barbaric levels. I wouldn’t be to fond of attending a football match if there was the possibility of a shooting.

    Either way its a good thing we have teams who play “boring” football like Chelsea because it would be even more boring if all teams tried to play the exact same way.

  65. Keyser

    vicky – forgetting that expectations can be measured, desperation is no excuse really for stupidity.

    It’s not even hard to argue against what people say. What is the point in posting.

  66. Thomas

    Rosicky@Arsenal
    May 3, 2015 18:00:51

    London Gunner

    If you are so impressed by Jose why dont you stop watching Arsenal and spend your weekend at stamford bridge watching Maureens brand of high class entertaining football.

    I will prefer to watch Arsenals attacking game all night long.

    ____________

    Your typical AKB r*tard comment. Someone criticizes something in Arsenal – “Go support Chelsea or City then” lol.

  67. london gunner

    Keyser

    “Lol and Usain does what ? The distance doesn’t matter.”

    Lol you really are clueless off course the distance matters.
    A sprint would be more comparable to a single match whilst a Marathon has so many various and unique stages and goes on for a considerable time meaning that tactics not just a runners athletic quality come into play. It is more comparable to a season or a campaign if you will.

    As dissenter noted Chelsea were far and way playing the best attacking football in the league uptill January (so the boring tag is kinda bollocks unless you conveniently forget that part of the season), now a stupid manager who doesn’t plan ahead would keep trying to emulate those performances with a small squad and keep beating his players till they eventually flounder from fatigue.

    What did Mourinho do? He reverted to a pragmatic approach of playing a defensive game aka scraping wins and conserving energy to drag his tired little horse across the finish line. It worked!

    “Usain pushes himself to his limits, and he’s praised highly for that, he not only crosses the finishes line first but breaks records.”

    Actually he doesn’t his well known to be and admitted he is himself relatively lazy for a professional athlete he doesn’t take his training half as seriously as Yohan Blake. When I was in Jamaica I actually visited his training ground and met various people who work with him, but that’s another story completely.

  68. london gunner

    Rosisky

    I am not a Chelsea fan, but I can respect an enemy if they are good at what they do.

    They are better than us currently I could be bitter about it and moan and sulk or I could try to understand why they are better and what we need to do to be better.

  69. Danish Gooner

    Wenger will never win the cl,havnt got the right mentality,his team is full of duds that caves in under pressure,someone important is always out injured,his team play some of the slowest and predictable football of the top 8 cl teams,tactically naive like when he said,we are gonna do nothing special to nullify Messi,messi scored four that nigh and made Wenger look like a right old mug.

  70. tunnygriffboy

    London

    Chelsea have better defensive players than the teams I mentioned. Hence it’s harder to break them down. Got nothing to do with us having better attacking players than other teams. Just saying the difference between Chelsea and other teams shutting up shop is that chelsea are better at it because they have better players

    Agree Italy was full of problems but it also became hugely defensive, niggley and cynical. Bore draws everywhere.

  71. Goondawg

    Mourinho may not be my cup of tea, but just read a stat, that he averages a trophy every 34 games of his career, which is as far as I’d go to compliment his shithouse tactics

  72. Keyser

    London_gunner – The distance doesn’t matter, this Mourinho paces himself shit is bollocks.

    Usain Bolt wins, the objective is to cross the line first, if all he did each time was cross the line first he’d get his medal, he’s win numerous titles, but he wouldn’t be considered half the person he is when he breaks World Records.

    Use your head, you’re saying, it doesn’t matter how he crosses the line, as long as he does it first.

    When it does matter, the time matter, there’s a difference between being the quickest person in the World, and the quickest of all-time.

    You’re basically saying Usain should forget about breaking records, because they don’t matter, he should get ahead andit wouldn’t matter if he slows down, show pragmatism, make sure he doesn’t injure himself, all that matters is that he’s first.

    It’d be a waste, just like you saying he’s lazy, that’d be a waste, it’s a choice he has. Not a choice he’s forced into making.

  73. Keyser

    “I could try to understand why they are better and what we need to do to be better.”

    Lol then try to do this, instead of making silly comments.

  74. Blazer

    We showed absolutely everything football demands from a team since day one. Fantastic attacking football, fantastic domination, high percentage of ball possession, low percentage of ball possession, we gave the ball to the opponents strategically we defended well. The game today was a good example; Crystal Palace gave us a counter attack game, we coped with that. We scored our goal, we changed the team and in the second half, with Mikel and Matic in midfield we controlled the game completely. In the last part of the game, they played with one target man, we coped with that and in the final few minutes they played with two target men, we coped with that. We did everything a team needs to do. That’s why we are champions and we deserve to be champions, i think everybody knows that.
    Jose Mourinho’s post match comments….
    Wish Wenger could do this.

  75. Nasri's Mouth

    Mourinho wins the Premier League and still can’t resist making snide digs at other managers in his victory speech

    I can admire him as a coach and as career manager. He plans everything to make sure he gives himself the best chance of winning things, but as a bloke he’s absolutely soulless.

  76. Keyser

    If everything was equal I wouldn’t care, that’s who he is, he wins.

    It’s the people that say, once you’ve won you can’t criticise them at all, that Chelsea winning is the same as Atletico winning, Or Dortmund, or Montpellier and whoever else who were considered under-dogs.

    The people that can’t be objective, and think if you criticise at all, you’re simply bitter, or jealous.

  77. kofi

    you can argue about mourinho being the best coach on the planet or at least in the premier league -> he probably is. I’ve just talked to a pal of mine who is chelsea fan and I told him one thing, and this is my real opinion:

    as an arsenal fan we not only demand winning, we demand winning in style. if we have to dig out results once or twice a season no one cares. but if we play at home like chelsea did this season or if we go on the road and play like them we would be the first (and for me rightly so) to blame wenger for playing a sh*t style of football which embarrasses our beloved afc. if you have a squad as talented as chelsea and you are unable to play better football than a football team fighting against relegation – well, what should I say. I would love to be champions, in our situation with 10 years no EPL title I would likely be more than happy to win it the way chelsea did but in all honesty – after winning the epl once I would be desperate to get back to a good style of football and not watching this sh*t week in week out …

  78. Chris d

    David Smith

    Your comment above is spot on , if Roman could get pep tomorrow , Jose would be out the door in a second . It’s why he was sacked the first time , it’s why Madrid sacked him , it’s why barca turned him down , it’s why Man U turned him down . He’s a good defensive coach but a garbage attacking one and why those clubs sacked or turned him down . He played 90 mins , the same as a full game , against a 10 man psg and didn’t have a clue how to change to an attacking possession based tactic totally clueless to change from his defensive ways . His only genius is to constantly pick one of the richest clubs if not the richest in every country he’s managed . His tetchy remarks to comments about Chelsea being boring are because he knows if they start getting that label again Roman will sack him again . Be interesting if Chelsea sack him where has he got left to go , if he ends up at an Everton or Seville level let’s see if he really is the fucking special one by taking them to a title

  79. Wallace

    Mourinho’s in his element when the odds are stacked against him. the only problem is the odds are never stacked aginst him as he’s always in charge of the biggest team in whichever league he’s working in. he’d be brilliant at a mid-table side. because that’s the kind of side his tactics are most suitable for.

  80. David Smith

    Kofi, have a feeling Chelsea’s owner might share your opinion, nobody wants to watch that horseshit we have seen in the last couple of months. Trouble is Jose cannot help himself, he always reverts to type, no matter what he says, or what he is ordered.
    If every manager was like him, the game would die. He is not a tactical genius, he just sets out to negate, not create. A real shame other managers including our own did not give him more of a run for his money.
    The wealth of an oligarch, the style of Pulis.

  81. Chris d

    Wallace
    He’d be shit at a mid table side because the lesser standard players he have at his disposal wouldn’t hold out long enough defensively . He gets away with now as he has a much higher quality player at his disposal

  82. Chris d

    His hatred of wenger is bourne out of the fact no matter how many barren years winger has and how much stuff himself wins his teams are never labelled exciting . He never has and never will have have that honour attached to him and he knows it . This irks him somewhat

  83. mysticleaves

    Leon: mysticleave i totally agree in my view ozil as a bad signing
    dont need him doesnt do enough and chaampions league
    game last season was the deal breaker for he crumbled
    completely choked and even this season against top teams
    bearly any assistants or goals in contrast to cesc who
    chelsea only spend 25 million has had great season scored
    goals, 16 assists and can play dm, as well

    Well, you are arguing that we should have bought Cesc? He would also not have been needed.

    Also between Ozil and Fabregas this season against top teams, fabregas has just one assist (against us) while Ozil has two assists and 1 goal. So who’s the pussy?

  84. Chris d

    Fabregas only lasts half a season , it’s quite commonly documented that’s why barca got rid of him , a problem he’s always had

  85. Blazer

    Are you aware that chelsea have finished 9, 25 and 14 points behind the champions in the seasons when they last won the league while still spending lots of money. And now Mourinho came in and spent money (also recouping alot of money) and he won the league yet we still critisize him. So its not only about spending u also need a top manager

  86. mysticleaves

    Paddywhack

    Unofficially? Today! Cos we can still lose all our remaining matches and they can win theirs thereby gaining a healthy enough goal differences to end on same points and the finish higher

  87. useroz

    “… Arsene Wenger says Thierry Henry is “wrong” to claim Arsenal need to buy four new players and cannot win the title with striker Olivier Giroud.

    The Gunners boss also feels the progress of his squad in 2015 has made him rethink his summer transfer plans.”

    If wenger said that we can forget real summer improvements. 11 year old may be…….

  88. Goondawg

    “progress of his squad in 2015 has made him rethink his summer transfer plans.”

    Seriously wtf Wenger.

    Hasnt Mourinhos snide comments in the pressed today as verse you and woken a burning desire for vendetta. Don’t fuck this summer up please

  89. Emiratesstroller

    Wenger has responded to Henry’s comments following our draw against Chelsea and has suggested that we do not need 4 new players nor do we need to buy a replacement striker for Giroud.

    What has been clear since early in January is that we have played more or less a stable team apart from in FA Cup and the only position which has been changed since then is when Oxlade-Chamberlain was injured. Since then he has been replaced by Ramsey.

    In recent games we have won all our games apart from Chelsea but in several
    cases the results have been close.

    Giroud is good enough as a conventional striker who can score annually 20-25
    goals. Combined with Sanchez that provides us with between 40-50 goals.
    However, if either gets injured we have then got limited goalscoring options in
    squad. I think that Welbeck is a good player to come off bench, because of his
    work ethic, but we know that he is not a prolific goalscorer.

    We do need an additional goalscorer in squad who can play either as a conventional striker and/or on wing, which is why I would consider Lacazette.

    I am also concerned that whilst Wenger plans to offload Flamini he might
    hang onto Arteta,Diaby and Rosicky. None of these players is good enough to
    play in starting lineup or in my view on the bench. I would be prepared to keep
    one e.g. perhaps Arteta, but not all four. We do need to buy at least one world
    class midfielder who can play in a Central Position either in a defensive role or
    as a box to box player.

    One might argue that there is still room for one Central Defender, but somehow I don’t see Wenger buying a replacement for the three experienced players on his books. Chambers is the fourth option and a work in progress.

    There is a strong case to buy a new goalkeeper to replace Szczesny. The question is do we buy someone like Cech who will expect to be first string or someone else who may compete with Ospina for first team place. This is a tricky choice when you consider that Ospina has the best goalkeeping stats since he
    became our first choice.

    In summary I think that Arsenal need to buy 3 quality players this summer. Any more might be counterproductive and destabilise team and squad.

  90. Thomas

    useroz
    May 3, 2015 22:24:54

    “… Arsene Wenger says Thierry Henry is “wrong” to claim Arsenal need to buy four new players and cannot win the title with striker Olivier Giroud.

    The Gunners boss also feels the progress of his squad in 2015 has made him rethink his summer transfer plans.”

    If wenger said that we can forget real summer improvements. 11 year old may be…….

    ________________

    Great. Expect no new signing now. Most reactionary manager of all time. Twat of a manager. *sigh*

    Btw Lol so many butthurt akb crying about Mourinho today. Mourinho >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The specialist in failure..

  91. tunnygriffboy

    Goondawg

    The article in the guardian shows Wenger sticking up for Giroud after Henry slagged him. Imo that’s fair enough. Said that we have a good squad with some strong youngsters coming through ( which we knew anyway ). Is aware that other teams will be looking for players as well.

    I agree Emirates post above re the number and positions of signings.

  92. salparadisenyc

    Comments today absolute comedy for the most part… sound like a bunch of petulant kids slagging Mourinho and Chelsea off. We pulled 1 out of a potential 6 points from them and thats progress. Wenger winless in 13 attempts vs. Mourinho.

    Excuses followed by more excuses, regardless of Mourinho’s style which was certainly more attractive in the first half of the season before they switched gears to this classic Mourinho turgidity that echoes Arsenal in the 90s under Graham in many ways of late.

    Bottom line is they made some key signings and have won yet another title under Mourinho, slap in the face and reason to dig deep this summer and sign whom we can adding quality in a few key areas… were not far off if Wenger can manage to cull a full season out of this squad without the standard poor run of form that eliminates any real title challenge.

  93. salparadisenyc

    Keyser i’m not going to walk down this lovely path with you, of course Mourinho has much more at his disposal that GG ever had. Many seem to of forgotten how good they were in the first half of the season, once City folded he’s gone classic Mourinho.

    If you’re going to crash the site Keyser at least go out with a bang.

  94. Keyser

    “of course Mourinho has much more at his disposal that GG ever had”

    If you know then who’s being petulant. Who’s trolling who.

    If Mourinho was English, if he didn’t have that foreign Lilt, that Mediterranean tan

    Nirvana you’re another Belieber.

  95. Emiratesstroller

    Chelsea have invested a huge amount of money in their first team squad but also in their youth programme as well.

    I think that Arsenal are not far short now when it comes to first team squad. Three or four acquisitions of high quality players and we should be able to compete there.

    However, the real gulf between clubs is in development. We appear to be light
    years behind them at U21 and U18 levels. Chelsea seem to accumulate a lot of
    young players who are good enough to play in top leagues, but are not necessarily good enough for their first team. Their wage levels enable them to sell
    these players for decent transfer fees.

    That is rather different from Arsenal who have very few youngsters of the same quality. In most cases they are offloaded on frees or for peanuts.

  96. salparadisenyc

    I can’t help it if you didn’t have the luxury of seeing Nirvana live.
    Had you… you’d be a believer as well.

    Trolling? I think you’ve hit world class levels of trolling this place today with those keyseresque fragmented thoughts pulled from the dark side of Urananus. You meander as if its still 2005.

    RedKeyser.

  97. Dissenter

    Keyser,
    You have Mourhino derangement syndrome.
    Its like a greyworm boring into the deepest recesses of your mind.

    What’s with the catalogue of YouTube videos anyone can google up in a second.
    Any enemy that owns you as much as Mourhino does ought to be respected.

    Mourhino is the reason Wenger started a home European game against Bayern with the famous Yaya Sanogo as center forward.

  98. David Smith

    Stroller, our youth and academy teams are lacking because Wenger insisted on a philosophy of attack and not much else, and keeping inferior coaches like Gatting in the ranks despite the removal of Brady and new arrivals. Ridding the club of some of Wengers more destructive influences only happens in stages until he goes. Same with the keepers , Gerry Peyton still their head coach, despite big medical problems recently and years of keepers with the same faults. Ospina doing ok,, our coaches have not yet ruined him, chesney was great when under Jens doing his badges, but if we get cech, hope he brings his coach, one of the best going. Seems wenger now being persuaded…..or forced into positive changes.

  99. Dissenter

    Emirates Stroller
    There’s good management behind Chelsea, anyone can see that.
    They were proactive with FFP.
    Their legal loan system is their way out.

    Like you said, they have the best youth program in England. They just won the European youth CL. Many of their youth will be players in the premier league for mid table clubs. They will earn Chelsea lots of money in transfer fees.

    I’ve been making a point that Kenyon laid a foundation and they are following a deliberate long term plan.
    Some here believe everything about them is happenstance and money.

  100. Keyser

    Dissenter – You mean the player that cost infinetly less that Chelsea’s entire squad ever, ever, forever, ever.

    You’re basically Thomas now, Dial has more self-awareness, you could’ve argued any point, you decided to rant about objectivity while showing you were incapable of it.

    Bamford now ranks above you.

  101. Dissenter

    Anyone that denies Chelsea were the most aesthetic team to watch until December needs to get a lobotomy.
    A lobotomy is needed because they have no need co their frontal, lobe anyway.

    Sal, agreed. Chelsea were the dominant team until they ran their first 14 players to the ground. They went back to Mourhino’s comfort zone when the lead was assured.

  102. David Smith

    If Mourinho really is so great, why did he play in that embarrassing way against us recently at the Ems, would Guardiola, Klopp, SAF, clough Paisley, Sir Matt, or even Arry Redknapp FFS have done that injustice to the beautiful game?
    If every manager plays that the game dies, Mourinho is a parasite living off those who live for the beautiful game. To destroy is easy, to create is the hardest task.

  103. Dissenter

    Keyser,
    I really do not know what you’re talking about.
    Like someone said, you pull your arguments randomly out of the milky way.

    Any neutral who reads our conversation might not agree with me but at least they know where I stand.
    Can’t say the same for you,
    For every 1 minute of Keyser-speak, there’s an aspirin to be ingested.

  104. salparadisenyc

    Dissenter

    It was pretty dismal seeing Cesc on form and Chelsea roll the first half of the season. I take solace in the fact we’ve certainly progressed this season and are closer than we’ve been in sometime.

    With a few key buys this summer as others have illustrated were going to run it very close next season, i’d wager we get closer than 2008.

    Coquelin was a revelation, planned or not was very pleased to see him come good.

    Dave… Mourinho ran em into the ground in the first half of the season and to Wengers credit we were on fire and Mourinho took the pragmatic route of bagging a point, keeping the squads mentaility in the green to win the title. Terry was epic in that game which pains me to say. Wenger’s done it… gone in for a point and procured it.