Thierry, you’re mean | Why all the pundits are wrong about Arsenal

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Kind of feel like we’ve landed in some parallel universe where I’ve taken a shot of happy and become a convert in the Arsene front.

#TeamPosiGoonersFamForevs

Not sure why everyone seemed to spitting feathers about the game at the weekend. Admittedly I was totally sober without hangover for once, so the clarity might have skewed my view, but I really felt quite positive after the game.

It felt like we were in it tactically. It looked like Jose tried to nullify our strengths over-exploiting our woeful weaknesses. We were in it. Chelsea are Champions elect, we were never going to bulldoze a team that plays expensively assembled midtable tactics to win a point. I mean, think about that, all the talent they have and they turn up without a striker. It’s embarrassing. Those players exchange trophies for their talent to be drowned in a shallow puddle of negativity. It’s truly turgid.

… what I love is how much the negative press is impacting Chelsea. I’d love more pragmatism in Wenger, but I’d also be pretty upset if we had to sacrifice so much of our game. Jose has done a pretty impressive job of convincing the media that there’s only one way to win things. It’s not true. Thank the lord for managers like Ancelotti and Guardiola.

… so the petrol on the post game fire seems to have mostly have poured from our ex-captain, Thierry.

He earns £4.5m a year and someone has told him he’s bland as James Milner spread on a fresh Geordie Alan Shearer bagels (not toasted, and dry). So he’s reacted. Firstly with a bizarre take down of a Chicarito celebration last week, then with a stinging attack on an Arsenal team absolutely flying. He said,

“I think they need to buy four players – they need that spine. They need a goalkeeper, they still need a centre back, they still need a holding midfielder and, I’m afraid, they need a top, top quality striker to win this league again.”

The above comments were out of kilter with reality and they were boring. They were isolated comments in a sea of progress.

Now, my views might be skewed. I was told things were on the up from a good place that I always get a balanced view from. So I’m comfortable about Sunday.

I don’t believe we need four signings. I also get sick to the back teeth of average pundits picking out the most base improvements possible. It doesn’t matter where they come from, as soon as they land on UK TV they all say it’s a player thing. Arsenal’s problems generally, haven’t centred around a lack of players over the last 10 years. It’s been a factor, don’t get me wrong, but most of our problems centred around a backward manager who couldn’t get the most out of what he has in the modern era.

Players don’t teach themselves on pitch strategy. Players don’t prevent themselves from having long term injuries. Players can’t be trusted to make themselves stronger. They won’t run video analysis sessions on their own. They won’t drill themselves in the basics like defending as a unit. They don’t understand recovery procedures to ensure they’re match fit. They don’t rotate themselves.

That’s the big change that’s happened his half of the season. Well, it started changed late November apparently, now we’re seeing the fruits.

Form is linked to smarter planning and better fitness. Sure, Arsenal need to buy players to compliment the current squad. If you’re brutal, maybe we need a better striker, but based on this season, there aren’t many. We need a new keeper, but Ospina is doing the business. We need a Schneiderlin because Flamini and Arteta are dead – and we’ll need an upgrade on Theo if he goes.

But it’s not major surgery like Thierry suggested. It’s not a new spine. Actually what we need to do is ramp up the back room progress. We need to use the car study effort the changes have incurred as a springboard for more.

Smarter, better, stronger.

As for the Giroud comments, I thought they were a bit mean. The French glamour boy has come back fighting with class and dignity.

“It has been a few years since we finished second and, if we can do it, we can see an improvement, which is great. Next year, hopefully, we will have fewer injuries, will keep the same group and, with maybe one or two new players, we will have a great season I am sure.

“As for myself, in sport you have to question yourself every week and be ready in your head and you have to be at 100% of determination if you want to keep going and win games; you cannot afford to be at 80% or 90%. You have to have faith in your own qualities, that is part of being a footballer: being strong in your head. That is more than half of the quality you need to be a football player.”

If you can’t see an improvement in the squad this year, you’re not looking hard enough. If you can’t budge your views to accept what you’re not seeing your eyes, well, I think it’s pretty dull.

Thierry was a great player, he’s a dull pundit. If he has to secure more wealth by bagging on us unfairly. Fine. Be that way. It’d be nice if he could be more exciting by bringing more genuine insight to the table. Controversy has us talking about him, but you know what, being f*cking smart at backing your points with evidence would be a way better talking point today.

Also, why are we not reversing the critique of Chelsea? Cesc didn’t land an assist at the weekend. Hazard was pretty quiet. Chelsea were hardly ripping us a new one. Where’s the critique there?

Anyway, I’m rambling. Have a great day.

In Arsene we trust. #GoonerFam

P.S. I thought this tweet was true until I saw Cesc on a poster on the other Bridge. Arsenal need to take this down. Arsenal fans need to create a viral video of them taking it down. Well, if I were a video student, that’s what I’d be doing. Not that I’m inciting vandalism, that would be terrible. But that poster is a joke. Name me a club in the land that’d have that up still? Crazy.

 

651 Responses to “Thierry, you’re mean | Why all the pundits are wrong about Arsenal”

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  1. Ashwin Gunner

    Redtruth..

    😀

    I never talked about our team. I said progress purely in teh sense that Wenger has changed his ways and we are seeing a more positive Arsenal team..

    Thanks for getting personal. That shows you are out of stock with any valid arguments..

    You have a good day too..

  2. Thomas

    WengerEagle
    April 28, 2015 12:43:10

    Moh on ArsenalFanTv is a bit of annoying twat isn’t he?

    Of course the Chav’s had the right to celebrate on the pitch yesterday, they won the fucking title.

    ______________

    yeah he’s embarrassing.

    @Keyser

    “and he’s flopping at Chelsea”

    ___________

    Lol yeah he’s jsut about to win the title. What a flop.

  3. TitsMcGee

    did you ever think or even believe tah we will win at Etihad… Frankly i did not. I was pryaing for a draw at the least… now you might argue that it was because of senior players like Cazrola who forced Wenger to do video analysis and then chalked out a game plan. but, hey.. that still is a progress.”

    Progress is because we beat City at the Etihad?

    I agree it’s nice to beat a good team away for once but progress?

    We beat Bayern in Bavaria a couple of years ago. Did that prove to be progress?

    What about Barcelona at their peak against Pep at the Emirates in UCL?

    Did that prove to be fruitful the next season?

    Football is a sport with fine margins and low scoring. The chances for upsets are greater than other sports like basketball etc. i.e beating a good team once in a blue moon was/is always going to happen.

    The point is even if Wenger beats Mou eventually(and he will eventually if he stays here long enough) what does it prove? That he can win one out of every 15 matches vs Mou?

    One victory vs a City team that has lost to a lot of bad teams this season is not enough to convince me of progress. Not when we are further behind this year than last and not when we flopped in the UCL again.

  4. Romford Ozil Pele

    “Hes already managed Real Madrid, and I would say theres a definite chance you see him at Bayern one day.”

    And how did Real Madrid work out for him? Manage Bayern? Go and read up on what Beckanbauer and co think of him.

    He worked at Barca but he won’t ever manage there. Now why is that?

    “Too much obsession with the way he plays in certain big games.”

    And there will be. How much have the Real Madrid and Chelsea teams cost? You want to win but you’re also hoping for more for your buck. The former definitely are, which is why Mourinho is no longer at Real Madrid.

    “Chelsea have outscored us dont forget.”

    And they’ve spent a lot to get there. We’re spending now but still need more to close the gap. Either that or we work inventively to find solutions that help bridge the gap.

    “And as for performances in big games, you may want to look closer to home before criticising.”

    I’m not talking about us though. I’ve not said we’re flawless but then we’re competing against financially doped clubs. Mourinho is calling himself special. When he does, he opens himself up to ridicule because he isn’t exactly working miracles/doing anything that warrants jaw-dropping comments.

    “Would i accept that to win the biggest trophies we may have to play very pragmatically in 10 games per season”

    Well we’re not gonna outpsend our rivals are we? So it’s either gonna have to be that or we come up with some heavy pressing Dortmund tactic.

    “I dont see many gooners hurrying to criticise these performances.”

    There’s a difference between parking the bus and playing on the counter. At the end of the day, Chelsea have, and will continue to win trophies. Their financial clout allows them to do so. That’s not my gripe. Well it is, but there’s nothing I can do about it. But Mourinho can’t self-proclaim to be the best when many things he does suggests otherwise.

  5. Keyser

    “What about Barcelona at their peak against Pep at the Emirates in UCL?”

    fuck me, are you really this dense, why didn’t the next season prove to be fruitful ? Could it be because we sold over half our team in the next season or so.

    There’s like one first teams starter left starting this year from that team.

    Seriously think about it.

  6. TitsMcGee

    Would i want us to play that way….not really. Would i accept that to win the biggest trophies we may have to play very pragmatically in 10 games per season…..yes, absolutely, in a heartbeat.”

    Yep that’s pretty much it right there.

  7. salparadisenyc

    Im not sure many despise Chelsea more than I, but that doesn’t blind me from the fact they had the better of the chances on Sunday and we were pretty lucky to escape with a point and 11 men on the pitch.

  8. Dissenter

    Pedro,
    These lemons 🙂 will soon crash your site with embedded video.
    Wait until Kwik finds out, there will be a new video every minute.

  9. useroz

    Let’s not over react to Thierry’s 4 new players comment. We could readily use 4 new upgrades IF we aim for the PL and CL titles. At least he isn’t kissing Wenger’s backside like most ex-players do. May be we only need 3 so what if he talked about 4?

    We played ok with a near full squad but Costa (and remy) were out for Chelsea and the game could be quite different if costa’s on the pitch.

    Point is, Wenger did not manage to get a win despite knowing full well Chelsea came to park the bus (as he admitted in media). Not even a fluke once in 13 games? C’mon. Even spurs and some in ower half of table got lucky once.

    Improved fitness helps. But Ramsey isn’t going to become v good because of fitness. He has been fit and still not play well, at best inconsistent. Another is Wilshere. Just not v smart and making all sorts of not good/right decisions, etc etc.

    We can easily rid of 6+ players from the first team and adding 4 is fine.

  10. TitsMcGee

    I’m not talking about us though. I’ve not said we’re flawless but then we’re competing against financially doped clubs. Mourinho is calling himself special. When he does, he opens himself up to ridicule because he isn’t exactly working miracles/doing anything that warrants jaw-dropping comments.”

    He’s been back two years and has won an EPL trophy essentially.

    People that point out the money aspect forget that Simeone went toe to toe with Madrid-Barcelona(the two biggest clubs out there) and won last season. AMadrid and their 500 million euro debt.

    Wenger underachieves. He’s doing just enough to warrant staying but he puts up sackable numbers in many categories and it just goes over without a hitch.

  11. gambon

    “But Mourinho can’t self-proclaim to be the best when many things he does suggests otherwise.”

    8 league titles, and 2 Champions Leagues in the last 13 seasons suggests you are wrong there.

    Its not fantasy land, the best manager in the world doesnt win the treble every season.

  12. Ashwin Gunner

    TitsMcgee

    Not it didn;t not. We couldn;t build on the Barca win, because twats like Fabregas and Nasri left us. There were always exists and no WC players coming in.. For the past two seasons we have made some WC purchases. and even the back room staff has changed. Dont you think we will be competing for the title next year?

  13. TitsMcGee

    Im not sure many despise Chelsea more than I, but that doesn’t blind me from the fact they had the better of the chances on Sunday and we were pretty lucky to escape with a point and 11 men on the pitch.”

    They had more shots on goal than us but they are “boring” so it doesn’t matter apparently.

    Arsenal fans are the only fans in the world that would rather play pretty and come in 2nd than “ugly”(despite having more goals than us) and come in 1st.

  14. bjonan

    People like redtruth make it embarassing to be an Arsenal fan…..ey make gunners seem like football illiterates

  15. Keyser

    Simeone won in La Liga, the 500 million debt is partly because they keep spending money on their first team, not to mention third party ownership.

    You’re clueless, Atletico are comfortably the third biggest team in Spain.

  16. TitsMcGee

    10 years without a title is boring? What about the 50 years of no title before you discovered oil money? Wish people would pick him out on these BS statements.”

    Well that is what we have become now isn’t it?

    We are now the Chelsea fans before Abramovich, talking about our “glory days” of the past. They have made a lot of ground in our barren years you must admit.

  17. Nasri's Mouth

    TitsMcgee: He’s been back two years and has won an EPL trophy essentially.

    But with the amount of money Chelsea have regularly spent over since Roman took over, that’s pretty much exactly what he should be doing

  18. Dissenter

    People get partisan and use their amygdala when they should be using their pre-frontal cortex to reason and make good judgment.
    Why hate Chelsea?

    Truth is they should have won easily on Friday; Ospina should have been sent off in the 16 minute, Chelsea should have had a penalty and we would have played 74 min plus injury time with ten men.

    It could have been another blow-out.

    Money enough does not guarantee success. Chelsea have also been well run:
    -They devised a way around FFP by starting a farm approach for some of the best young players, which guarantees them a healthy profit every year.
    -They have grown their commercial base despite playing out of a smaller stadium.
    -They have the best youth academy in the country and actually sell on their products for good money.
    -They have been relentless in their pursuit of success hence the constant firing and hiring of managers.
    -They also had mother-luck on their side, that’s what won them the CL eventually. We could have done with some luck in the 2006 final against Barcelona [damn you Henry]

  19. TitsMcGee

    1)10 points ahead. –> Agreed. They had a better start to the season.. and Wenger woke up after 3 months to the fact taht he ahs to change his approach..”

    He always cocks up at some point though doesn’t he? You think after all this time it is still coincidence or bad luck?

  20. Blsany

    Keyser
    “You’re clueless, Atletico are comfortably the third biggest team in Spain.”

    Ok keyser.Why can’t we win our domestic competition like they did too then?

  21. gambon

    Romford

    Your use of “financially doped” is a bit cringey.

    What about the fact that Mourinho is beating City and UTD who both spend more on wages and players? Some achievement no?

    Also I really dont see where this financial doping is right now, Chelsea are a genuine superclub now, in part down to Mourinho. They arent spending above their means at all.

    Mourinho came back to a Chelsea team that looked old, and definitely didnt look like league winners.

    Within 18 months hes made them the best team in the PL by some distance, without any crazy spending. In fact Wenger is outspending him in recent windows.

  22. Nasri's Mouth

    Dissenter: Ospina should have been sent off in the 16 minute, Chelsea should have had a penalty and we would have played 74 min plus injury time with ten men.

    Why should he have been sent off ? It’s not a red card offence

  23. Romford Ozil Pele

    “He’s been back two years and has won an EPL trophy essentially.”

    Yeah but I’ve not said he wasn’t a good manager. It’s not like he came into a squad that needed major overhaul. In the two seasons before he came, they’d won the CL and Europa League so he doesn’t really need a pity party.

    “People that point out the money aspect forget that Simeone went toe to toe with Madrid-Barcelona(the two biggest clubs out there) and won last season. AMadrid and their 500 million euro debt.”

    Fantastic job he’s done. But then he’s literally left with nothing now. That squad is so old and you can see how hard they’ve struggled to replicate anything close to that this season.

    People keep bringing Wenger into this. There have been mitigating circumstances, which some, will choose or not choose to acknowledge. I’ve never proclaimed him to be perfect mind you. And even as he strides towards getting together his best squad, I still feel he’ll come short. This isn’t the issue though. I’m saying results alone is why Mourinho will never manage any of the aforementioned 4 i’ve talked about. Everything else is immaterial.

  24. Blsany

    Nm
    Why didn’t Chelsea win the title since 2010 if it’s just about being able to buy any player they want?

  25. Keyser

    salparadisenyc – Are you blind to any aspect of Chelsea ? Do you honestly think this is just blind hate ? They have a ridiculous amount of resources and choose to play like they do.

    It’s like having Tyson’s knockout punch, and all you do is spend each round avoiding the other boxer or going in for the clinch, it’s a pisstake.

    What chance do we have if Chelsea have 50% of potential they simply don’t have to use.

    You’re excusing their inefficiency and then wondering why we’re struggling.

    That’s before Ivanovic stepping on Sanchez’s achilles 10 minutes in or Willian Kicking Koscielny flush in the face.

  26. Romford Ozil Pele

    “8 league titles, and 2 Champions Leagues in the last 13 seasons suggests you are wrong there.”

    I’m not disputing his record. You keep moving the posts. I said that he’s highly unlikely to manage Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern or United in the future. And there’s a reason for that.

  27. Nasri's Mouth

    gambon: What about the fact that Mourinho is beating City and UTD who both spend more on wages and players? Some achievement no?

    So he’s not underachieving like they are this season? Is that an achievement ?

  28. AJ

    my 2 cents is that Arsenal are by far nowhere near the finished article, and Wenger and everybody at Arsenal knows it. We need reinforcement in the summer in positions that require it, CB and CDM are the two crucial ones, maybe even a goalkeeper.

    But, no one can say things are he same at Arsenal as they were last season or even the first part of this season. There i change for everyone to see. We won at Etihad, Old Trafford and Chelsea didn’t smash this season, although we didn’t look like beating them. We werent on the wrong end of high scoring games, our defense has conceded alot less goals, and scary attack is complimented by an even scarier midfield i think.

    Arsenal are for sure on the right track IMO, whether Wenger is the right man to get us to the destination, i don’t know, but we are definitely on the right road!

  29. Romford Ozil Pele

    “They have made a lot of ground in our barren years you must admit.”

    Well yeah of course – but they’ve used financials to get there. How can this not be a barometer? Their team cost nearly £400m. That will of course be a factor.

  30. TitsMcGee

    But with the amount of money Chelsea have regularly spent over since Roman took over, that’s pretty much exactly what he should be doing”

    How much money did UTD spend? Translated to EPL glory? Stop acting like it’s a 1:1 correlation.

    You will always hold onto the money issue because it’s the last bastion.

    The ironic part is Wenger wouldn’t last more than 1 season at any of the “money dopers” because he would be chalk out of excuses then. That is the exact reason he has never left as well.

  31. TitsMcGee

    Well yeah of course – but they’ve used financials to get there. How can this not be a barometer? Their team cost nearly £400m. That will of course be a factor.”

    So you are certain that if we spent the most we would be EPL champions?

  32. akgunner10

    gambon you’re wrong…he has never worked as a manager at barca and nor will he ever, they loathe him in Catalonia…and bayern would never appoint Mou either, he doesn’t fit their profile…stop with these baseless arguments man…Romford is right, he would never manage any of the top4 clubs in the world because of his way of playing the game, or should I say his way of not playing the game…

  33. Nasri's Mouth

    Blsany: Why didn’t Chelsea win the title since 2010 if it’s just about being able to buy any player they want?

    Because they weren’t good enough, they underachieved for want of a better word.

    Chelsea have been very successful since Roman arrived, but arguably when they’ve been spending the amount they have been, any finish outside the top 2 should be seen as a failure of sorts by them. Finishing 3rd last season wasn’t ‘value for money’ but arguably they’d improved from the previous season so you can cut Mourinho some slack for that

  34. Keyser

    “Mourinho came back to a Chelsea team that looked old, and definitely didnt look like league winners.”

    Lol a team that had the Champions League 13 months earlier,with an FA Cup, and then Benitez walks in halfway through the season and wins the Europa League.

  35. cladicus

    Great post today Pedro. Got a great reaction as well. New evidence should change your mind if it is strong enough, and shows that you are a critical thinker. That said, this sentence caused my brain to BSOD.

    “We need to use the car study effort the changes have incurred as a springboard for more.”

  36. Romford Ozil Pele

    “What about the fact that Mourinho is beating City and UTD who both spend more on wages and players? Some achievement no?”

    Yeah but that’s only due to FFP now. Look over the last decade. How much have Chelsea spent? They’ve accumulated so much that they now have sellable assets which means they can meet quotas, wage limits etc. I don’t think it’s an achievement. They’ve literally just cut the ones they didn’t want. They bought Torres but can now discard him for free? They buy a £20m LB (who never plays). They have WC talents they can sell for massive fees. Lukaku/De Bruyne all come to mind. They recklessly spent in the early part of the tenure but are now cutting back because they can.

    “Mourinho came back to a Chelsea team that looked old, and definitely didnt look like league winners.”

    Looked old? He shipped off Eto, Torres who were all over the hill. Not rocket science. And let’s not pretend that they were miles off being league winners before he joined. They had already won the CL and Europa League in seasons before so it’s not like he was starting from scratch.

  37. Nasri's Mouth

    TitsMcgee: How much money did UTD spend? Translated to EPL glory? Stop acting like it’s a 1:1 correlation.

    Which season are you referring to ?

    Of course there are other factors, but if a manager has the most expensive team in the league AND fails to win the league then that season can be seen as a failure.

    Obviously there are other things that come into play, but over a period of time if the richest team doesn’t win the most medals, then they’re doing something wrong.

    That’s obvious

  38. Romford Ozil Pele

    “What chance do we have if Chelsea have 50% of potential they simply don’t have to use.”

    Exactly. Chelsea have like 30/40 players on loan. Over the last few years they’ve been able to buy and sell as they wish. They discarded the likes of Mata, De Bruyne, Lukaku amongst many more because they purely didn’t need them. It’ not a position we’re in or have been in. We’re doing almost the opposite. We’re buying to make up ground. Even then we have to be sensible. The fact that Chelsea can have back up LBs costing £20m should act as an example to some.

  39. TitsMcGee

    I’m not disputing his record. You keep moving the posts. I said that he’s highly unlikely to manage Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern or United in the future. And there’s a reason for that.”

    His philosophy might not match theirs but at the same time that applies to any manager doesn’t it?

    It’s just ironic to me that some posters in here(not you Romford) would try and diminish Mou but at same time defend Wenger for pretty failure.

    I know the hate of the Spuds/Chavs etc but c’mon man.

  40. WengerEagle

    ‘Mourinho came back to a Chelsea team that looked old, and definitely didnt look like league winners.’

    They were hardly pensioners, sure he’s done impressive work rejuvenating John Terry but the likes of Hazard, Oscar, Ramires, Cahill, Ivanovic, Azpilicueta and Cech were all young/in their prime when he took back over the reigns.

    The rest of the first XI now he’s bought (Cesc, Matic, Willian, Costa) all the while having the luxury to sell off all of the talent that Chelsea had stockpiled in accordance with FFP (Lukaku, De Bruyne, Luiz, Mata, Schurrle).

    He hasn’t exactly had it hard back at Chelsea, let’s be honest.

  41. Keyser

    Anyone who calls him ‘Mou’ ..

    Lol it’s got little to do with Wenger, you can make the same arguments regardless but because you can’t argue a point without calling someone a ‘AKB’ it wouldn’t fit your agenda.

  42. Romford Ozil Pele

    “So you are certain that if we spent the most we would be EPL champions?”

    No, not at all although you certainly have a better chance. I mean we really don’t know but I can’t see Wenger doing much worse, if at all any worse than Jose has done right now. At the end of the day, and this has been my point from the get-go, Mourinho is a very good manager with a very good team. He’s doing the very minimum with what he has at his disposal. My opinion is that he should do better considering what he proclaims himself to be. He has a method of playing in big games but it doesn’t necessarily always yield success. I think there should be more diversity to the way his team approach big games, ala Ancelotti for example. Came in and won in one season what Mourinho has been trying to do for three.

  43. TitsMcGee

    Of course there are other factors, but if a manager has the most expensive team in the league AND fails to win the league then that season can be seen as a failure. Obviously there are other things that come into play, but over a period of time if the richest team doesn’t win the most medals, then they’re doing something wrong.That’s obvious”

    Really ?? Interesting(not really from you).

    I’d take that “failure” any day of the week vs the “success” you describe.

  44. bjonan

    @titsMcGee

    ” The ironic part is Wenger wouldn’t last
    more than 1 season at any of the
    “money dopers” because he would be
    chalk out of excuses then. That is the
    exact reason he has never left as well. ”

    If Abramovic had a chance to sign Wenger he wud sack Mourinho instantly…football is a combination of entertainment and winning and believe it or not entertaining football sales thts y Arsenal has stayed among the elite despite one silverware in ten years

  45. Dissenter

    Nasri’s mouth,

    “Dissenter: Ospina should have been sent off in the 16 minute, Chelsea should have had a penalty and we would have played 74 min plus injury time with ten men.Why should he have been sent off ? It’s not a red card offence”

    You seem to think it was a red card on Sunday, why did you change your mind?
    It was unintentional but it was 100% dangerous play in the penalty box, RED CARD everyday of the week.

  46. tunnygriffboy

    Pedro

    Thank you for an excellent blog. Great to hear good things happening behind the scenes. That is as important as the 2 WC players we’ll buy in the summer 🙂 🙂

    Majority of pundits are really lazy. They all come out with the same cliched platitudes with exactly the same narratives. 7t’s a bit like different politicians quoting the same key phrases following the party lines. There are very few that look behind these narratives and either back them up with evidence or disprove them

  47. kwik fit

    Get to fuck in!!!!1

    Back by popular demand!!!!

    Its like 2010 all over again!! Song and Denilson in the middle of the park

  48. Rosicky@Arsenal

    Mourinhio got smashed at spurs and had to face an embarrasing 10 men loss by PSG at bridge.

    And the media still singing he is the greatest manager in the world.

    What a joke of a manager

  49. leon

    for those who criticize the chelsea play if they were not criticizing the way we played under goerge graham then the are being hypercritical . Me I dont have a single problem with the way chelsea played it was doggit determined and very disciplined and I know for fact if arsenal were to to stamford bridge and get a clean sheet tony adams and steve bold would be proud. Sorry but in my opinion allot of arsenal fans need get off high horse and get real its not about playing pretty football all the time its about winning titles . Another thing that really gets on my nerves is they chelsea bought the title no they didnt not even close anyone can buy the players its whole different thing getting them to gel as unit and fight for each other if you look at the way the go to war for each other in the pitch and the way they track back you cant buy that. The fact chelsea spent less than use . I just which the whole squad had there dogit determination .

  50. Nasri's Mouth

    TitsMcgee: I’d take that “failure” any day of the week vs the “success” you describe.

    No you wouldn’t. You constantly moan about the fact that the 4th highest spending team finishes 4th.

  51. Nasri's Mouth

    Dissenter: You seem to think it was a red card on Sunday, why did you change your mind?

    I don’t think I did. If any of my comments suggested it should have been a red then they’re either not clear or I was having a brain fart.

    Either way, it’s a yellow just as Willian’s was when he high footed Kos (?)

  52. TitsMcGee

    TitsMcgee: I’d take that “failure” any day of the week vs the “success” you describe.No you wouldn’t. You constantly moan about the fact that the 4th highest spending team finishes 4th.”

    LOL

    Winning the title is the goal.

    Not to play pretty and come in 2nd. That’s the problem with you lot. You are an enabler.

  53. TitsMcGee

    If Abramovic had a chance to sign Wenger he wud sack Mourinho instantly…football is a combination of entertainment and winning and believe it or not entertaining football sales thts y Arsenal has stayed among the elite despite one silverware in ten years”

    LMAO

    Sure. The man who fired Carlo Ancelotti is going to hire Arsene Wenger to go a decade without a trophy and win 2 games from 23 vs top 5 clubs away.

    LOL

    Re-examine what you are drinking.

  54. Nasri's Mouth

    TitsMcgee: Winning the title is the goal.

    I’ve never argued that it isn’t.

    Winning with a lot of money is easier than with a little

    You seem to want to ignore this

  55. Redtruth

    Of course Chelsea bought the title and to say they didn’t is daft.

    Chelsea were perennial losers
    Pre-Abramovich and were bankrupt by the profligate bates who tried but failed ultimately to buy success for the club.

  56. hitman

    TH14 spot on . This current squad won’t win anything. They don’t have enough to beat the big teams. Only 2 wins against big teams this season. We could even do the Spuds. Thierry knows what it takes to win EPL & UCL and we ain’t anywhere near cracking it.

  57. TitsMcGee

    Winning with a lot of money is easier than with a littleYou seem to want to ignore this”

    Who has a little bit of money?

    Us?

    West Ham has a little bit of money.

    But Wenger could come 8th and you’d come up with some BS.

    Did Mou have money at Porto?

    Won the UCL.

    Let me guess they are a power house club too right?

    The more you make excuses the more ridiculous you sound.

  58. Redtruth

    Wenger has turned Arsenal in to Spurs and West Ham whose fans also bleat on about playing the West Ham way and playing the Spurs way because these fans have no trophies to latch on to so they latch on to playing attractive football.

  59. leon

    Red I disagree its one thing buying individual players its another getting them to gel as a unit getting to fight each other I think the perfect example of that is manu look how much money they have spend you also need a good manager and the chelsea manager who is an aragont class less prick but he is also great tactician and man manager

  60. Nasri's Mouth

    TitsMcgee: Who has a little bit of money?Us?

    Compared to Chelsea, YES

    Chelsea have spent a billion pounds MORE than use since 2000.

    1,000,000,000 pounds

    TitsMcgee: West Ham has a little bit of money.But Wenger could come 8th and you’d come up with some BS.

    Please stop with the BS. If we finished 8th I’d want Wenger to go, BUT, (and its a fucking obvious but,) we have never finished 8th under Wenger,

    or 7th

    or 6th

    or 5th

    In fact we’ve never finished lower than we should have given how much we’ve spent.

    Can you not understand this?

  61. TitsMcGee

    Wenger has turned Arsenal in to Spurs and West Ham whose fans also bleat on about playing the West Ham way and playing the Spurs way because these fans have no trophies to latch on to so they latch on to playing attractive football.”

    That is exactly it.

    Wenger has successfully lowered expectations so much that fans have become used to the 6-0’s and the 5-1’s that finishing 10 points behind Chelsea was a good season. Wenger is world class at manipulating the fans I’ll give him that.

    To go 2 out of 23 and 1 a decade with no EPL and be under no threat whatsoever basically shows the deity he has become.

  62. Rosicky@Arsenal

    Titz mc gee

    In todays world of financial supremacy most of the time money will win for sure.

    Take the example of

    REAL MADRID
    BARCELONA
    BAYERN MUNJCH
    UNITED
    CHELSEA
    CITY
    ARSENAL

    ALL rich clubs won there league since 2000.

    Only occasional Dortmund Atletico Wolfsburg won there leagues.

    8 out of 10 times money has been victorious.

  63. TitsMcGee

    TitsMcgee: Who has a little bit of money?Us?Compared to Chelsea, YES”

    And Atheltico have a little bit of Money compared to both Barcelona and Madrid right?

    Yes or no?

  64. Nasri's Mouth

    TitsMcgee: Wenger has successfully lowered expectations so much that fans have become used to the 6-0’s and the 5-1’s that finishing 10 points behind Chelsea was a good season.

    LOL, yeah, because no-one ever complains when we lose 6-0 or 5-1 anymore!

    HAHAHAHA!!!

  65. Redtruth

    Porto are not a small club they’ve won the European Cup and nearly always win their domestic league so Mourinho has never managed a cash strapped club and has always managed a top team.

  66. Cesc Appeal

    With FFP now the gap must be minimal, if there even is one between us. City and Chelsea in terms of spending power? Prepared for someone to show me I’m wrong there but that’s what I sort of gathered.

    Obviously United are total commercial juggernauts.

    We have a really great squad, no excuse whatsoever for us not arriving in August with a team that you could realistically call title challengers. Need 3 additions in my mind, GK, CDM/CM and LM/LW and we will be there.

  67. Redtruth

    Mourinho is no tactician i can assure you.

    Naming his team the night before a crucial Semi-Final Champions league game against Dortmund resulted his team being spanked 4-1.

  68. TitsMcGee

    “LOL, yeah, because no-one ever complains when we lose 6-0 or 5-1 anymore!”

    Who said anything about not complaining?

    Take your tongue out for a second.

  69. daz

    REAL MADRID
    BARCELONA
    BAYERN MUNJCH
    UNITED
    CHELSEA
    CITY
    ARSENAL

    Tits and how do you think we have got into that position?

  70. TitsMcGee

    In fact we’ve never finished lower than we should have given how much we’ve spent.”

    DUMB.

    So we do well because we spent the 4th most?

    Tell that to Athletico Madrid You keep trying to imply it’s 1:1. It isn’t don’t be an idiot.

  71. Nasri's Mouth

    TitsMcGee: And Atheltico have a little bit of Money compared to both Barcelona and Madrid right?

    Yes, of course

  72. salparadisenyc

    N5 up the ole Arsenal!
    Nice one you naughty boy.

    Keyser
    “Are you blind to any aspect of Chelsea ? Do you honestly think this is just blind hate ?”

    Not sure where this is coming from… never said anything about blind hate. Just said they had the better of the chances… in fact they were better on the day. Arrived with a game plan of bagging a point and stifling our attacking options and did just that. Sanchez, OG, Ozil and Caz all rendered impotent.

    At a certain point you’re going to have to get past fact they have “endless resource” , a litany of players on loan and partook in financial doping to a certain extent. Fact is since Mourinho has been back he’s probably done the best business of any club in the league whilst remaining financially compliant in that time frame. That of course doesn’t take into account the previous decade of Abramovich financing but its pretty clear were moving towards a more level playing field via FFP and our increased revenue.

    Wenger and the players have certainly made progress, something in the air and I hope were able to seize the momentum build in 2015 and better it next year.
    Seeing Wenger go out on top coming full circle would be fitting on many levels.
    He’s certainly positioning himself for it.

  73. TitsMcGee

    Tits and how do you think we have got into that position?”

    Pick an argument.

    Are you debating that we are a big club financially or are you desperately trying to give Wenger credit for something?

    Are we talking about how we got there or how he fails to utilize it?

    Pick an angle.

  74. daz

    Tits did we wake one morning with a sugar daddy?

    Or did our Manager and club work their asses off to get us there?

  75. Nasri's Mouth

    TitsMcgee: Who said anything about not complaining?

    Ok, you said fans are ‘used to it’

    Equally stupid and LOL worthy

    If we lose 5-0 to ManU there will be outrage and if you try to pretend otherwise I’ll LOL at you some more

  76. TitsMcGee

    Yes, of course”

    And then how do you explain them winning La Liga last year and fielding a competitive team that goes toe to toe with the juggernauts of Madrid and Barcelona(4 times a year) and still come out on top of the league?

    Since, of course, it is a 1:1 correlation?

    If Wenger was in La Liga and never beat those two clubs you’d be using the “money” excuse as well.

  77. Keyser

    “Prepared for someone to show me I’m wrong there but that’s what I sort of gathered.”

    Are you really prepared ?

    Chelsea have 30 players on loan and ties to companies with 3rd party ownership, their Youth team won the UEFA Youth League. They have planned for ways around FFP.

    Citeh have spent 200 million on their training ground, and now own, or partly own, 2 other teams in 2 other continents.

    Then there’s United.

    That’s before you even say ‘Ummuhhh’ it’s taken 10 years to get this close, and this doesn’t suddenly wipe the slate clean.

    What is wrong with people on this site and just simple logic.

  78. Nasri's Mouth

    TitsMcgee: So we do well because we spent the 4th most?

    Not particularly well, but overall Wenger has slightly overachieved. In the times when Arsenal have been the 4th/5th biggest spenders he’s finished 3rd/4th.

    That’s a slight overachievement isn’t it ? Especially when you add in the year in year out consistency.

    It’s not a miracle, it doesn’t make him god, but it does mean he’s not a massive fraud, a cunt, a idiot, demented, or any of the other things that people say about him.

  79. TitsMcGee

    Tits did we wake one morning with a sugar daddy? Or did our Manager and club work their asses off to get us there?”

    Another attempt to give Wenger credit for something or are you just blatantly avoiding the clear fact that we are by several lists at the very least a top 5-10 club financially?

  80. seg

    Abramovic sacks Mourinho for Wenger? It ain’t gonna happen, not in this life time. We can all agree on that, i think.

  81. Keyser

    La Liga isn’t the premiership, Atletico won their first title for almost 2 decades..

    Should I stop there, with Titty Logic that means it’s ok to go 18 years before we win our next title.

  82. TitsMcGee

    Now the akb mongs are trying to say we have no money so we can’t compete lolololol”

    LOL the ironic thing is if I went back to last year circa the same time you can find Nasri’s Mouth and Keyser saying the EXACT same thing.

    They will be making the EXACT same excuses next year at this time as well. You can bookmark it in your browser.

    At some point the light bulb has to go on if objectivity was the order of the day. They have just cut the power to the building.

  83. Lee

    Look it’s clear wenger out Thierry up to those comments. It’s Classic wenger mind games designed to stoke the passion and fire in girouds belly.
    Titi has trained with giroud over the last 3 seasons. This is to spur a arsenal on

  84. Nasri's Mouth

    Cesc Appeal: With FFP now the gap must be minimal, if there even is one between us. City and Chelsea in terms of spending power? Prepared for someone to show me I’m wrong there but that’s what I sort of gathered.

    Both Chelsea and ManC have a bigger revenue to ours, ( +10% ish) but it’s certainly not massive, esp. when you factor in their bigger wage bills.

    Chelsea have the advantage of all those loan players which ultimately they’ll make some money on
    ManC have the disadvantage that they’ve got an ageing squad and potential FFP issues.

    None of this means we’re favourites to win the league of course, but it does mean that from now on we should be a lot closer, and depending on whether ManU do a Bayern Munich, we have a greater chance of winning it

  85. TitsMcGee

    If we lose 5-0 to ManU there will be outrage and if you try to pretend otherwise I’ll LOL at you some more”

    Again for the slow. Who has stated that there shouldn’t be outrage if we do? But that there is no surprise if we do because we have been subject to those results quite frequently since the 8-2.

    Spot the difference?

  86. Nasri's Mouth

    TitsMcgee: LOL the ironic thing is if I went back to last year circa the same time you can find Nasri’s Mouth and Keyser saying the EXACT same thing.

    1. This isn’t Ironic

    2. I’m not an AKB or a mong

    3. you might want to read my post to Cesc

    4. You’re resorting to personal insults, which normally means one thing

  87. TitsMcGee

    Tits so your saying Wenger has played no part in our financial situation?”

    Of course he has but are we, AGAIN, deflecting from how poorly he uses that financial might?

    So basically you don’t want to debate that he uses that might poorly.

    You want to give him credit for getting us that might in the first place.

    Similar to not wanting to sack him because of what he did X years ago?

  88. Cesc Appeal

    NM

    Yeah, that’s what I was sort of saying, the gap is nowhere near as bad as it was a few years ago. When you look at our squad as it stands, and the money we have available, we should be a lot closer next year.

    Considering as well City have big problems to address this summer.

    Money, doesn’t have the weight in terms of an excuse that it might have had once. We have a lot of it and should make sure we use it well to deliver the best squad possible with the best possible chance of winning the league.

    I am interested to see what City do this summer, big issues there.

  89. TitsMcGee

    Mou wins at Porto- Portugal isn’t the premiership
    Mou wins in Italy- he plays boring.
    Mou wins a league title at Madrid- he plays boring.
    Mou on cusp of league title in EPL- he plays boring, he underachieves.

    Wenger wins no EPL for a decade- he overachieves.

    LOL

    Jesus

  90. Nasri's Mouth

    TitsMcgeee:But that there is no surprise if we do because we have been subject to those results quite frequently since the 8-2.

    No surprise ? LOL!!!

    Yeah that’s spot on. Everyone predicts a 5-1 or a 6-0 “quite frequently” now

  91. Keyser

    salparadisenyc -I was pretty sure the underlying point was along the lines of this.

    “Fact is since Mourinho has been back he’s probably done the best business of any club in the league whilst remaining financially compliant in that time frame. ”

    No dude, he utilised options that were open to him these are clear reasons why we’re not supposedly competing now, you can either analyse them and the situation objectively or you can pretend there’ll be a threshold point where the World turns on it’s head.

    A bit like trying to talk rationally to Cesc Appeal or Tits.

    Chelsea didn’t have to leave their area, it suits them to defend deep and break on the counter, it’s the easier option, it wasn’t about that one game, it was about how we’d started the season.

    We don’t have 30 million pound players we have on loan, we can’t afford to sell Coquelin for 50 million to PSG and we’re nowhere near the point where we can use our options soo inefficiently, you either accept this and look to positives or you can go on like Liverpool fans who think they should win the title each year.

    So then we can try and find positives ?

    Like us not selling anyone we don’t want to

    The improvements of the squad depth ..? and so on.

  92. Nasri's Mouth

    TitsMcgee: Wenger wins no EPL for a decade- he overachieves.LOL

    Why are you LOLing at it ?

    You think that someone who has the 4th/5th biggest spend and finishes 3rd/4th is underachieving do you ?

    How does that make sense ?

  93. Nasri's Mouth

    @Cesc Appeal

    Well, I guess we have no more ‘right’ to win the league than ManU, Chelsea, or ManC for the next couple of seasons, but we should be up there with them from now on.

    The worry is that ManU just stroll off into the sunset with the PL title tucked under their arm though

  94. BacaryisGone

    As obnoxious as he is, I do agree a little with Mourinho on our substitutions.

    If Arsene was going to be truly bold and when it was clear Chelsea had no interest in attacking, we should have taken Mertesacker and Alexis (who looked exhausted) off. We would go to a 3-5-2 with Cazorla and Coquelin in front of Bellerin, Koscielny and Monreal. Then have , Ozil, Theo and Ramsey supporting Welbeck and Giroud.

    Just a thought, but sometimes you have to take those risks to break a hoodoo.

  95. Keyser

    How many league titles and European Cups have Porto won ?

    How many have Inter won.

    If Mourinho was soo awesome at Madrid, why did he leave, and how did Ancelotti walk in and win the Champions League.

    Arsenal and Chelsea aren’t the same club, sites just inhabited by trolls.

    Anyway Atletico win one title in 18 years, Tits thinks they’re the example we should follow.

    Genius.

  96. Keyser

    BacaryisGone – HooDoo ? Mate do you think Wenger pays attention to that ?

    We’re level with Citeh on points, United are two points behind, Chelsea are 10 clear.

  97. TitsMcGee

    “give Wenger that amount of money and we’ll see”

    “Wenger would win the league at Madrid”

    No evidence to back it up other than just justification attempts.

    Then spin around and try and detract from managers that HAVE won in multiple leagues.

    Try and detract from Simeone but stupidly doesn’t realize that he wasn’t there for their barren run and he just shows up and beats the MIGHTY MIGHTY POwer Rangers of Madrid and Barca. LOL

  98. Cesc Appeal

    NM

    Yeah, this is what I was saying a while back, no one has a right to win the league, but we should arrive August giving ourselves the absolute best chance possible.

    I don’t think even the biggest Wenger fan could honestly, with a straight face say Wenger did that last year, or that he ever has in the Emirates era.

    No reason not to now, we need to give ourselves the best chance possible and that’s all anyone can ask.

  99. Nasri's Mouth

    Keyser: Anyway Atletico win one title in 18 years, Tits thinks they’re the example we should follow.

    I think, but I’m not sure, his logic is that because they won La Liga with a smaller budget than Real and Barca, Wenger is a failure for not doing the same in the PL.

    Straight from the ‘a dog has 4 legs, therefore something with 4 legs must be a dog’ school of logic

  100. TitsMcGee

    You think that someone who has the 4th/5th biggest spend and finishes 3rd/4th is underachieving do you ?”

    10 years no EPL.

    UCL exit every year same stage.

    Atrocious, atrocious record vs top teams.

    How is it not underachieving?

    You might as well just come out and say you won’t criticize Wenger for anything and be done with it.

  101. Nasri's Mouth

    TitsMcgee: No evidence to back it up other than just justification attempts.

    Apart from that when Wenger had one of the two most expensive teams in the league, he did indeed win the title

  102. daz

    Tits so he’s not spending money ozil Sanchez? When you were no doubt saying these things 2 years you might have had a point but doesn’t really stand up now

  103. TitsMcGee

    Straight from the ‘a dog has 4 legs, therefore something with 4 legs must be a dog’ school of logic”

    Almost as DUMB as the Wenger does well because he finishes 4th and spent the 4th most eh? 😉

    If Wenger was in La Liga you’d give him a lifetime pass for never winning anything because of the “money clubs” of Barca and Madrid.

    Too bad for you Simeone et al don’t give up before the fight has started.

  104. TitsMcGee

    Tits so he’s not spending money ozil Sanchez? When you were no doubt saying these things 2 years you might have had a point but doesn’t really stand up now”

    So he spent a lot of money you say? I’m sorry I was told we are West Ham and we don’t have a lot of money. So now way we could have possibly spent 70 million on two players and still finish 10 points off the top. 😉

    How many point behind Chelsea are we?

  105. Keyser

    “Yeah, this is what I was saying a while back, no one has a right to win the league, but we should arrive August giving ourselves the absolute best chance possible.”

    I think the point is that you simply change the situation to suit your needs.

    You were creaming yourself over Daniel Levy and Baldini, this spend all you have approach hasn’t worked for Tottenham and Liverpool two seasons running, but when we spend 90 million, the only players you focus on are the ones we haven’t bought.

    You can’t seem to break your history of hypocrisy and contradiction.

  106. Nasri's Mouth

    TitsMcgee: How is it not underachieving?

    Simply because if you average out every other teams final positions compared to their spend, he will have overachieved. No doubt other managers will have done the same of course, they too have overachieved. And other managers will have underachieved because they finished lower than they should.

    And of course Wenger has consistently done it year in year out, which is also pretty unusual.

    I honestly didn’t think it was that complicated to understand

  107. Keyser

    Lol Atletico took 18 years, 500 million in debt, and most of their team owned in part by third parties.

    How about this if Atletico win the league this year, it’ll average out to 1 in 9 ?

  108. Nasri's Mouth

    TitsMcgee: Almost as DUMB as the Wenger does well because he finishes 4th and spent the 4th most eh?

    But that’s not what I said is it ?

    Go back and read again

    Wenger has had the 4th/5th biggest spend and has finished 4th/3rd

    So he HASN’T equalled expectations, he’s improved on them.

    Not by much, it’s small margins, but it disproves your ‘theory’ that he’s a failure.

  109. Wallace

    NM

    Tits is under the impression we’re the Real Madrid of the Premier League. hard to argue with someone whose take on things is so out of whack.

  110. TitsMcGee

    Simply because if you average out every other teams final positions compared to their spend, he will have overachieved. ”

    Jesus Christ

    LOL

    Says this but then detracts from Simeone because he “coincidentally” showed up and helped take down Barca/ Madrid.

    Objectivity my friend. Objectivity.

  111. Redtruth

    Wenger is a flop considering the amount of times he’s been in the Champions league.

    Wenger is a flop as he’s never won back to back titles.

    Wenger is a flop for not ever winning the League Cup.

    Wenger is a flop for claiming the importance of a top 4 finish is a must for attracting top players and then proceeds to recruit players like Sanogo.

    Wenger is a flop for being to limited and one dimensional.

    Wenger is a flop and a French reject who got sacked leaving his career in tatters in Japan.

    Lest we forget Arsenal plucked Wenger from obscurity.

  112. Nasri's Mouth

    @Cesc Appeal

    In theory (haha, we know how that goes) what he needs to buy this summer is a little more straightforward than last summer, and there are no World Cup issues