We’re building a squad. Stop the talk of selling players

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Content is going to be hard to come by over the next few years, so we’re just going to have to wing it…

So, top story this morning is that Theo has denied we’re in talks about a new contract with him. Wenger says we’ve started negotiations. It’s all turning into a bit of a mess.

My personal opinion is that we’ve come a long way with Theo. His pace is electric, he might not be the most dynamic player, but he’s a threat and he scares the shit out of defences. He gives us the ability to press higher up and he’s electric off the bench. I don’t understand how he’s just suddenly not that appealing to Wenger.

UNLESS

He has other plans. Talks are red hot all around Europe that we’re interested in Dybala. He’s dynamic, skilful, powerful, explosive and very, very fast. He has all the raw ingredients you need to become world class and he’s only 21 years old. A really, really impressive talent. He’d cost a few pennies, but he’d be well worth it.

There are also stories this morning that Reus is back on the agenda. This pleases me. We were in for him last season, we negotiated with Dortmund but the deal fell through. Apparently Arsene Wenger thinks he’s one of the best players in the world and just watching a sizzle reel will show you what we could have. Goals, pace, ingenuity… the boy has it all. He threw a bit of a spanner in the works when he signed a new deal, but I’d imagine he can to an agreement with the exit fee… i.e. I’ll take the pay hike, but you give me 10% of the fee if I go. He’s an absolute talent and we’d soon forget Theo if we landed the German. You can bet your bottom dollar the German boys will be talking him into a move.

London is sweet. You can do what you want, fans don’t really hassle you in the street, we certainly don’t in clubs and bars (unless you’re hanging out in the Covent Garden Walkabout). It’s a sweet life. We’re also turning into a sweet team. Things are clicking. We now have statistically the leagues best DM. We have 3 centre backs. I mean, really, the three areas we need to recruit sit at keeper, a Schneiderlin which looks very close and an inside forward type player.

Land those players, keep them fit and full of energy, continue to think about the opposition, continue to chip away at how we operate behind the scenes… well, it could be exciting next season.

I had a dream last night. A dream that we kept on winning games. A dream that culminated in us winning the league.

I know dreams aren’t real. Or are they? I saw inception.

Anyway, we’re in the mix. It’s a big game against Liverpool first. I just don’t think they have the pace in their side to worry us in the same ways they did last season. We’ve addressed our major flaws by acquiring pace going forward and now pace at the back with Gabriel able to work with Koscielny. They looked pretty clueless against a United who kept it tight and the balls long. If we win there, the manager manages the fitness of the players keeping them fresh, then who knows where we could finish. Would be pretty exciting to make the top two for the first time in, what, ten years?

I also want to take on a lot of the negativity around some of our players. Now, I know this is a joke coming from me, but this mentality we have when it comes to players that aren’t Ozil or Sanchez is crazy. WELBZ and Theo aren’t world beaters. But they’re very good players. They are squad players. Think what a squad player looked like 5 years ago.

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Soak that fat old shit show up.

The point of have a huge wage bill is that you can afford quality. We used to spend our wages of average. Now our average is a player we flogged to death in our first team from 18 years old. A player not starting doesn’t mean he has to go, it means he has to improve to get a look in.

Anyway, enough sticking up for the club and stuff.

Have a great Friday. Enjoy your beers, wherever you might be

Also, listen to the Arsenal Podcast I was on last night.

313 Responses to “We’re building a squad. Stop the talk of selling players”

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  1. qna

    Schneiderlin’s a bum @Pedro.

    Wow. Thought I could have bet the farm that todays post would have been about Liverpool being having to try to go Balosdeep on us since Sturriage is out. Add to thay Gerrard, Skertel…. We shouldnt get to cocky… blah blah… We are at our worst when we go in expecting the best…

    Did I miss that post or are you saving that one?

  2. shad

    I don’t mind Theo but I won’t lose sleep over him really especially if we signed either of Dybala or Reus. Having Ox and Gnabry more than mitigates what he offers on the flank plus they are both younger and more dynamic, plus offer some defensive recovery.

    He’s on 90k and asking for 130k. No way. That’s world class wages and he is not world class.

    Meanwhile just read somewhere that Sturridge has suffered an injury or recurrence. Won’t be available for our game. If we can keep it compact in the center, we should beat them. Their defensive cog (Skrtel) is banned anyway.

  3. Guns of Brixton

    I got a sentimental bromamce with theo.

    Dnt lie, we all bloody do.

    love the lad to bits eva since hes debut nd was thrilled to see him take no 14 when the king left.
    Would hate to see him at anuva team.

    Has been,a gunner since 16. *sigh*

  4. shad

    @qna,

    Yeah. No Gerrard, Sturridge or Skrtel. Their main thereat is the midfield with Coutinho, Sterling and Henderson. Their defense is porous so we can defo sneak in a couple of goals. Our midfield will have really be compact and we can’t let them have possession as they like.

  5. Jim Lahey

    @Shad – “I don’t mind Theo but I won’t lose sleep over him really especially if we signed either of Dybala or Reus”

    Agreed! Hell lets sign both!

    Sanchez – Ozil – Reus

    ———- Dybala ——-

    We’d be like the footballing globetrotters!

  6. qna

    @shad. This is starting to sound like how easy Monaco were gping to be without half there team. I am happy that they are out, but at the end of the day we really need to put in an extra special perfotmance to beat Liverpool – as always. Hope the players dont get complacent. Straight after intl break is always a bit iffy too. And we cant count our own casualty list just yet either.

  7. Gilo

    Cant see us signing both of Reus and Dybala this summer (In fact i can’t see us signing either) seems to me that we’re 2 summer windows away from really competing.

    This summer the absolute priority must be a goal keeper – if Spurs finish 7th I’d offer them £25m for Loris, and a defensively minded midfielder – Schneiderlin. I doubt that we’ll have enough money, unless we sell Walcott to Liverpool or Wilshire to City for silly money – neither of which i would have a problem with – to buy a special attacking player.

  8. Bankz

    N5

    You’d come here on cold morning & discover I now own the Legrove record.
    It’s going sooner than later.
    I have it all planned out.

  9. qna

    Jim: Agreed! Hell lets sign both!

    Sanchez – Ozil – Reus
    ———- Dybala ——-

    I am with ya Jim. Looks good to me. I could even see us letting Dybala win the CF spot from Giroud. Think the competition would improve them both.

  10. Romford Ozil Pele

    Like everybody else, I’d love Reus but with his new contract signed, it means he no longer has a release clause. I think you’re looking at minimum £40m. Along with Neymar, Hazard and Alexis, you’re probably looking at the best wingers/wide forwards in football so he won’t be cheap. Add to that we won’t be the only ones in for him if he is available so his price is only ever gonna go up.

  11. Romford Ozil Pele

    Think Wenger’s priorities this summer are:

    GK if Szcz leaves
    Holding midfielder
    Some sort of playmaker/wide forward

    Can’t see us signing much else unless there are more OUTs but i’m sure he’ll keep 90% of the squad the same.

  12. shad

    @Gilo,

    We have been scouting Dybala for a minute. His transfer fee might be huge but his wage demands may not. Perfect Theo replacement. Esp considering we seem to have quite a number of players on loan who we can offload and free up the wage bill, we can also get Reus. If we get rid of JC, Sanogo, Poldi and CHuba (hate to see him go), we can actually get in a quality CF. Schneiderlin seems to be almost a guarantee (hoping we can move off Arteta, Flamini and Diaby, probably loan out Wilshere)

    So we can afford them as we have too much dead wood. Defence has less moving parts, save for Per and the GK.

  13. qna

    Gilo. I think the signing of both would have to have been priceeded by the selling of two or more of Walcott, Podolski and Campbell. I think Walcott would command a decent fee. I can easily see us going for Dybala. I agree with you on Reus. Cant see it happening. We should have forced through a deal the last window before he signed a new contract.

  14. Nasri's Mouth

    @mysticleaves

    Reus has missed 82 days so far this season

    107 days last season

    I’d worry about us spending £40m on him on the assumption that he will suddenly become fit playing for us, given our injury list

  15. Gilo

    Jim,

    Yes I think i would – Although Cech would be a good (and cheaper) second choice (don’t see him coming to us tho for some reason). I think Loris is a truly outstanding keeper at the peak of his powers.

    I also do like the look of Matt Ryan but admit that there’s an element of risk involved there.

  16. shad

    @qna,

    Yes, hopefully the squad has learned something from the Monaco debacle. But the stakes are much higher now and hoping the fans can give the team something to feed off from. If we blitz them in the first half an hour and get a goal in there, I think we can do them a proper number.

  17. YoungMurphy

    “A player not starting doesn’t mean he has to go, it means he has to improve to get a look in”

    Pedro this is the bit that stuck out to me the most. Who knows what’s going to happen to Theo but to me, the key thing is that as a professional athlete you always have to improve. The last thing I want is someone who was previously an established player (Walcott/Wilshere/Ramsey/Welbeck/Sanchez/Giroud/Whoever) start throwing their toys out the pram when competition is brought in and suddenly they aren’t guaranteed to start every week. Iron sharpens iron.

    I’d also like to thank you lot for helping international week fly by. Lord knows I hate all international breaks but the daily blog posts and the fact Liverpool players are crying off Saturdays game are keeping my spirits up.

  18. Nasri's Mouth

    qna: We should have forced through a deal the last window before he signed a new contract.

    Bag over the head and bundled into a taxi ?

    You can’t force someone to sign for you

  19. Bankz

    As much as I love Reus whom I often call Rolls royce, I don’t think it’s a nice idea buying him with his injury records of late.
    I mean we’ve got to be the worst club in europe when it comes to injury management , why buy someone who isn’t 100%?
    Gabriel, Özil all had flawless injury records till they signed for us & they’ve already starting putting in shifts at the medical centre.

  20. qna

    Jim: Would you pick Loris over Cech?

    A tottenham to arsenal sale would be just plain shocking. I would take Lloris if there was a possibility. Younger, possibly better keeper now given Cechs age now.

    If we were willing to let a player they wanted go the other way it would be interesting. But it wont be Walcott thats for sure. “2-0”

  21. Gilo

    Nasri,

    that’s my nagging doubt about Reus too – he does miss an awful lot of games. but I think that he’s just been incredibly unlucky with some of his injuries sustained.

    However, you have to factor in our dopey medical staff and manager and, their ability to hobble every player at least once a season and worry that Reus might be tipped over the edge into the permanent ‘red zone’ with us.

  22. mysticleaves

    “Reus is one of the best attackers in European
    football
    and with 53 goals and 45 assists in just 116 games”

    I still share ROP’s views re price and all.
    He will be off though, if any team comes.

    The new contract was more of a way to say thank you to Dortmund, unlike Goetze

  23. Gilo

    Bankz – although i don’t think Tottenham have had a terrible season and they’re clearly making progress, i think that there’s a limited amount of time that someone of Loris’ quality will stay in the hope that they might get in the champions league

    A sale to us, though still highly unlikely, might be out of their hands, however, i suspect that there will be plenty of other takers not least Real Madrid, or Manchester united if De Gea goes to Madrid….

  24. YoungMurphy

    Also as much as I love rampant speculation, Campbell and Akpom both signed new deals. I wish I could see inside AW’s head but I’d imagine that Walcott/Poldi go before those two do.

  25. qna

    NM: You can’t force someone to sign for you

    Yes you can. You have to make an offer they cant refuse. No not that type. Money. Money talks. If they are going to take £40m now. They would have taken that and likely even less then, before he signed. Also we now have to compete with other big clubs. If Madrid make an offer, Reus will turn us down. But at the time I doubt he would have.

  26. shad

    @youngmurphy,

    Agreed. Theo is very effective but has hit a ceiling development-wise. He is not all-over-sudden going to become a dribbling maestro. His skill set is purely pace and finishing. Once his pace diminishes, whether out of age, injury or beer, he will fade off. II can understand why Wenger will play hard ball over a new contract with him. There is pressure for AW to deliver one last hoorah before he leaves and he looks too arrogant to let the club be held back by issues like Walcott’s wage demands or guaranteed play time. There are now (arguably) 2 bigger superstars at the club (Sanchez, Ozil) so he can’t hold the club ransom. Couple that with the addition of Welbz , Ox’s development and Theo’s injury sheet, you can see why AW would hesitate to offer him a more obscene contract.

    I say sell him while he still has some value – as long as we get a more potent forward. DYBALA 🙂

  27. Nasri's Mouth

    Lloris is an excellent keeper, though he’s a little over rated IMO. Often I see his saves being listed as amazing, when the reality is had he let them in, he’d have been chastised for it.

    He’s got a massively long contract, Levy would never let him go cheaply, the player doesn’t seem to be pushing hard for a move, Wenger rarely spends more than he wants to, so I can’t see him joining us.

    There was an interesting story about Cech in the Mail (I know, I know) suggesting that we might be after his coach as well to replace Peyton, and that Wenger has considered replacing Peyton previously. I know Pedro isn’t his biggest fan

  28. Jim Lahey

    @qna – I think either one would be a huge step up, but for some reason I feel that Cech is more solid and he is leaving no matter what this summer. Buuuuut… I can’t see either coming to be honest! Neither Chelsea or Spurs would sell us a virus!

  29. Bamford10

    To repeat, sign Schneiderlin, Cech and Lacazette/Benteke this summer. Start the XI below next season. Win things.

    __________Cech
    Debu__Gabr__Kosc__Monr
    _____Rams___Schneid
    __________Ozil
    Ox_____Ben/Lac___Sanchez

    I would say Dybala, but I’ve read he wants to stay in Italy. And I know some of you lot don’t rate Benteke, but … well … you’re wrong. 😉

    And I realize Chelsea likely won’t sell us Cech, but we need better than Shez —- and better than Giroud and Coquelin — if we want to compete with the best.

    Sell Walcott and Podolski. Sign young, skillful wide player.

    p.s. yesterday reminded me that Gustavo should be on our list of CDMs who could improve us.

    Happy Friday, all.

  30. Romford Ozil Pele

    Lol hell would freeze over before Spurs considered selling Lloris to Arsenal.

    Shad – I think Wenger does like him, and as she’s shown with his recent two attacking purchases, he’s happy to push the boat out and pay what’s required. Think Wenger is happy to pay premium for attackers, not defenders. Whether we’re going to buy him is another debate entirely.

  31. Nasri's Mouth

    qna: Yes you can. You have to make an offer they cant refuse

    Your argument doesn’t make sense. If we’d offered them £40m last summer, why would they have accepted, knowing they could get £40m for him this summer AND have him for one more season.

    You CAN massively overpay for players, both on salary and fee, and possibly the player decides to come, (possibly, because sometimes a player who is already on more money than he ever thought possible, playing in his home country decides he’s perfectly happy where he is and STAYS PUT)

    But overpaying on players is a really bad business decision, and ultimately it will mean one thing, you will under perform

    People who say things like ‘Bugger the money, just sign him whatever the cost’ don’t understand how football is a business, and that bad business decisions impact on the pitch

  32. qna

    Mirror: Chelsea to allow Petr Cech to choose next club paving way for Arsenal move

    The Blues are ready to reward the 32-year-old stopper for 11 years of loyalty by letting him to pick where he moves to next.

  33. shad

    Just to wade into the Lloris debate. Think he is a really good keeper. World class? Maybe. Though when he does have a stinker, it really stinks. I’d put him in the same bracket as Hart.

    We definitely sold the wrong keeper though.

  34. qna

    NM. My argement was to force through a deal before Reus re-signed. They would not have know he would re-sign and were facing the prospect of another Lewendowski or Goetze. At that time the buy out would have been £25m. If we offered £35m or £40m I cant see how they would have turned that down.

    Instead we wasted £16m on Welbeck.

  35. Bamford10

    QNA

    Yes, but Welbeck was signed bc Giroud went down. Are you thinking that Reus will be played through the middle? I don’t see that. He’s more a wide player, yes?

  36. shad

    @Nasri’s Mouth
    “But overpaying on players is a really bad business decision, and ultimately it will mean one thing, you will under perform”

    This I disagree with. Take the top clubs across Europe. They all overpay for special talent. CR7, Pogba, Neymar, Suarez, heck even Bale. You pay for the risk/reward schematic.

    And still on the business front, for example, Real Madrid bought CR7 for £80m but recovered that from jersey sales in the first year.

  37. Romford Ozil Pele

    “Mirror: Chelsea to allow Petr Cech to choose next club paving way for Arsenal move”

    Lol come on man, since when were newspapers the beacon of reliability?

    Mourinho will definitely allow Cech to leave but i’m almost 99% sure he’d reject any approach from Arsenal knowing it would massively strengthen us.

  38. Emiratesstroller

    If Arsenal are to progress and start winning trophies we need a decent sized squad of high quality players to achieve this.

    The starting X1 should contain World Class players i.e. those who can walk into any major club or international team. At the moment we have probably 3-4 such players and I think that to reach the required level we need perhaps 2-3 additional players. Reus is certainly a very highly rated player. The only question is whether he is injury free.

    Overall I think that our squad players are decent and compare favourably with
    other top clubs in Europe. I agree with Pedro that Welbeck is a valuable and
    versatile squad player to have.

    Every club needs to freshen up their squad on an annual basis. That does not
    mean making wholesale changes, but it does mean offloading players who are
    past their sell by date or are perhaps surplus to requirements.

    Looking at our current squad the players who should be offloaded are Diaby
    [too injury prone],Rosicky [aged 35], Flamini [not good enough] plus those
    players now out on loan and surplus to requirements. I am excluding Martinez
    and Akpom who have been sent out to gain first team experience.

    There are two other squad players who may also be considered for offloading
    and they are Szczesny and Walcott.

    My view is that Arsenal need to recruit a ‘World Class’ Goalkeeper albeit that
    they are in short supply and not readily available. Ospina and Szczesny are good options to have as second string, but the sad fact is neither is genuine
    top class. Ospina has just arrived and would probably accept being a bench player. Personally I don’t think Szczesny would accept it and for that reason alone I would sell him if we find the right goalkeeper.

    Walcott has been at club a long time and expects to play in starting eleven. His position is right wing and we have apart from him options in Sanchez, Ox and
    Gnabry. Sanchez is better and Ox is most definitely of the same calibre and physically stronger than Theo. Theo may have pace and be a slightly more
    clinical finisher, but at 26 he is not going to improve and his all-round impact
    on games is not particularly good. You need also factor in his injury and playing records in last 2 years.

    This summer is likely to be the last opportunity when you will get a decent
    transfer fee. In 2016 he will be entitled to Bosman if he does not sign new contract and if he does sign a new contract he will be 30 when it expires.

    For this reason I am inclined to sell him and use the money for other positions
    which need strengthening. At the start of this season Cazorla was first choice
    left wing backed up by Podolski. Cazorla is better suited to middle and Podolski has now gone. Sanchez is playing there. If he switches to right which is his
    best position there is then a vacancy in team.

    Personally I would use the money from Walcott to secure someone like Reus
    who is a conventional left winger able to score goals. He is in my view a better
    player and of course younger.

    I know this view is not universal, but the English Manager in yesterday’s interview has expressed not dissimilar views that sometimes you have to accept that there are younger and better players coming through.

  39. Jim Lahey

    @qna – That would be good news! It would make sense for him to join Arsenal, wouldn’t have to uproot his family and leave London, I’m sure he has got use to the place!

    In:
    Cech
    Schneiderlin
    khedira (A free world cup winner who is only 27!)
    Dybala or Reus to replace Walcott

    Out:

    Szczęsny
    Arteta
    Wilshere
    Walcott
    Flamini
    Diaby
    Podolski
    Sanogo
    Jenkinson
    Campbell
    Miyaichi

  40. brdgunner

    Does anyone else think our sudden adaptability is down the the squad we know have? Also, could it be, now Arsene has money, he is buying better players and competing?

    Whisper it, but Arsene might actually be a good manager.

    COME ON THE GUNNERS

  41. kapslock

    Reus is the one I want. I couldn’t give a shit about Walcott leaving if we landed Reus. Someone said we’d have to pay £40m. I think Wenger would be willing to depart with that sort of money for a player of Reus’ calibre. Also, some of that £40m would be netted off with the sale of Walcott. We are so very close to having a team that can challenge Chelsea and City next season. I can see Flamini being let go in the summer which would require an extra body in midfield, Schneiderlin hopefully. Coq has been great but he’ll need competition and rest. Then a GK and I think we’re set.

  42. Nasri's Mouth

    @qna

    Once more, your argument makes no sense.

    You have no idea what conversations were going on between Reus and Dortmund. Reus is playing for his home town, the club he grew up with, The fact that he re-signed for them, despite their dire league situation suggests the opposite to your idea and the he was actually very happy to do a deal with the club.
    Add that to how they dealt with Lewandowski and let him run down his contract, there was little or no way we were getting Reus unless he agitated for a move

  43. Micheal

    (Apologies for badly typed post under Nicheal – who he ? Here’s an English version)

    I cannot see Wenger splurging loads of money on an influx of players, regardless of how much he brings in from selling Poldi, Sczezzer, etc. It is not his style, whether he agree or disagree with policy.

    Personally, I would love to see three major signings – a top class ‘keeper (Cech, Lloris or De Gea ?); a top class central midfielder (Schnerlein, Kongdobia ?); top class striker (Suarez ? ).

    But I will almost certainly be very disappointed come August 31.

  44. qna

    Bamford. I agree with you on many posts mate. Keep up the good work. I dont agree with your proposed ins though mate. Agree with Cech, but:

    Schnederlin. We can and should be doing better.

    Lacazette. Too short. Given his age. He has only had 2 good seasons and had very good service. I dont think he has the quality. I could be wrong, but I see him as a mid-table team striker.

    Benteke – Powerful and fast. But not better than Giroud. We need a clear step up in quality over Giroud. We can and should be doing better.

    There are not many strikers that will definately improve us over Giroud. Cavani may be available. Lewendowski may be available, if not this summer I think next summer for the right price. But expect him to go to City or United before us. Benzema is very similar. But he is a level above Giroud. If Madrid clear him, we should be in for him as well.

    I prefer Dybala. Giroud to stay no1 to start the season, but I think by next seasons end Dybala will be the man.

  45. OnlyCameToSeeEboue

    qna you’re conveniently forgetting that Reus was our first choice ahead of Sanchez last summer but sustained a terrible injury that kept him out of the World Cup and affected his form for the best part of this season.

  46. Romford Ozil Pele

    “Personally, I would love to see three major signings – a top class ‘keeper (Cech, Lloris or De Gea ?); a top class central midfielder (Schnerlein, Kongdobia ?); top class striker (Suarez ? ).”

    And bar the midfielders, which of those players are available?

    WC GKs are short in supply. No way Barca are selling Suarez.

  47. Nasri's Mouth

    shad: This I disagree with. Take the top clubs across Europe. They all overpay for special talent. CR7, Pogba, Neymar, Suarez, heck even Bale. You pay for the risk/reward schematic.

    Ronaldo, Neymar and Suarez and Bale all went to the 2 richest clubs in the world.

    We’re in better shape, but they’re still some way above us.

    Pogba went for just a few million… Not sure you meant to include him

    And NO, they DID NOT make the money back on shirt sales, this is a fallacy. Firstly they don’t sell enough shirts, secondly, buying a player like Ronaldo doesn’t increase shirt sales that much, it simply means fans put his name on the back rather than someone elses, and thirdly, clubs don’t make that much profit from shirt sales

  48. Jim Lahey

    With shirt sales, I always believed that say Nike gave club X a fixed amount of money and no matter how many shirts were sold the club only gets the fixed amount? Nike would be the ones benefiting?

    I’m suer the club could use the increased shirt sales due to new players are a bargaining chip when it come to renewal of the deal.

  49. qna

    NM: Once more, your argument makes no sense. You have no idea what conversations were going on between Reus and Dortmund.

    Haha. Funny your argument is that mine makes no sense because I dont know whats going on. You write it like you do know whats going on.

    My argument is based on logic and it makes perfect sense as it applies to almost all contract situations. The same could be applied to Walcott this summer.

  50. Emiratesstroller

    Nasri’s Mouth

    I agree that in normal circumstances when a player signs a new contract as Reus has done it acts as a deterrent for his departure.

    However, on this occasion I am not so sure that you are right. Reus who is a local boy may have shown his loyalty and more importantly foregone the buy out clause, but that does not mean he will not leave.

    What it does suggest is that anyone who wishes to buy him will have to pay his
    true market value. Moreover if he were to leave Borussia he will leave the
    club with his head held high. Had he left the club with the buyout clause still
    in place there would be huge resentment.

    Arsenal are not going to buy 3-4 world class players this summer. I doubt that
    their budget [yes we will have one] will allow this.

    What we do need is to buy perhaps one world class player and two others who
    are a step up from what we have got.

    Personally I would not buy Khedira [qnas suggestion] because his form this season is not that impressive after last year’s injury. He may be available on Bosman, but his wages will not come cheap.

    Schneiderlein is a very good player and I am confident will fit into our current
    team. He is an English ‘style’ player, which is actually what we need.

  51. Nasri's Mouth

    qna: My argument is based on logic

    What logic ? It’s guess work assumptions based on zero facts, with a really dodgy understanding of business sense.

    Still, please prove that there was logic behind it, tell me what conversations Dortmund were having with Reus last summer, tell me the details of his contract, his salary, the details of his new contract. Tell me why a player who is seen as an absolute star didn’t sign for one of the various other clubs OTHER than Arsenal who no doubt would have loved to have him. Tell me what the player is actually thinking and I’ll believe you.

    Because you don’t know any of these things, you’re MAKING it up

    At least I pointed out that he’s a Dortmund boy, it’s his boyhood club. I also pointed out that Dortmund took the hit on Lewandowski.

    You’ve pointed out nothing other than throwing money at something is a good thing

    (it isn’t)

  52. Foozballfan

    Interesting thing is If fit over a full season, Reus and walcott will probably have similar stats or a similar impact.

    The other similarity they share is their terrible record. Its like selling a BMW to buy a Mercedes. Not much difference. So that idea seems wank to me.

    If he’s been replaced then lets throw money at someone like Thomas muller maybe he’s bored in Germany and wants a new challenge. Even that lil fella Dybala dont look too bad.

  53. Nasri's Mouth

    @Emiratestroller: but that does not mean he will not leave.

    Ahh, you misunderstand me, I’m not saying he wont leave, it’s quite possible he will, I’m simply pointing out the holes in qna’s argument that we should have ‘overpaid’ for him last summer and that you can’t ‘force’ a player to sign for you, or a club to sell

  54. Romford Ozil Pele

    “Interesting thing is If fit over a full season, Reus and walcott will probably have similar stats or a similar impact.”

    Lol hell no.

    “The other similarity they share is their terrible record. Its like selling a BMW to buy a Mercedes. Not much difference. So that idea seems wank to me.”

    Theo is more like a Ford Focus, Reus is an Aston Martin.

  55. shad

    @Naasri’s Mouth,

    They went to rich clubs but those rich clubs recover their monies by maintaining high competition and attractiveness by acquiring fine talent.

    Such talent is the make or break in tight games.

    And while the jersy sales were grossly exaggerated, you look at the ticket sales for the mediocre exhibition tourneys they play that return to the club revenue, tv rights and game day ticket sales because of star attraction and you easily see why big clubs go big for big players.

    I stand corrected on Pogba though – forgot he left on a free. But you can imagine what he’d go for now were he to move.

  56. qna

    Shad. Its well known that Arsenal has a huge wage bill. This year similar to Chelseas. It has been a choice to buy similar quality players and pay them similar wages. Everyone knows that Arsenal did this by overpaying them all with the hope that if any became worth that much or more they would in turn be loyal and sign their next contract below thier worth. This was our famed wage structure. But not a single one did and every single good player left or held us to ransom. We were left overpaying for the deadwood and all our quality players left. We have finally got rid of all this ovwerpaid deadwood.

    Shad I agree with your sentiment about paying better players more. But I dont think it is overpaying. They get paid what they are able to negotiate in a competative market – note this is different than the socialist style failed wage structure that I just mentioned.

    But essentially I agree with you. Every club does it as well not just the big clubs. Even championship clubs. They pay some players much more than others and expect to get more from them.

    The main difference in this is say if you have a skewed salary structure you can potentially have a much stronger side on the pitch. But if the good players get injured then you would be exposed. To me it has been a real world science experiment.

    The results are in.

    Maintain a high quality squad of 25 well paid players with no superstars (sell any that do turn into superstars straight away). The result will be guaranteed top 4, guaranteed make it past group stage of CL. But you wont win ever anything. They ended when they bought superstar Ozil.

  57. shad

    @Jim Lahey,

    Yes, clubs get a fixed amount of money from brand sponsors and the kit manufacturers. Replica sales of course go to the manufacturers. Clubs will of course demand more money based on projected sales owing to star attractions in their teams and club success.

  58. Wallace

    i read Bild and Kicker when Reus signed his new contract. all of them – Reus, Klopp, Zorc & Watzke – were talking long term goals. he aint leaving in the summer.

  59. shad

    @qna,

    Agreed.
    I think with the arrivals of Ozil and Sanchez, whether planned or not, the landscape and expectation simply shifted. The expectation to not only entertain but win and challenge for much more than the 4th place trophy has become more apparent – not to mention the FA cup (fluky) success.
    Once that was established, an introspection had to be carried out and of course the fans can only be hoodwinked for so long. We demanded answers.
    -Why are our players getting injured so often?
    -Why are we keeping dross on ridiculous wages? (Park, Diaby, Miyaichi, Bendtner, etc)
    -What are our ambitions?
    -Why can’t we afford star players?

    Once the screw was turned on Wenger (I wanted him to leave yonks ago but more so after the FA cup win but..)there has been real pressure to keep up. New kit deal, new head of physio, culling off some dross..

    The omens are good. The team is smaller but more cohesive. There is good competition for places. Wenger seems to be playing players on form rather than name preference.

    I expect a proper fire sale this summer. Get rid of the gunk and bring in proper players, whether squad or world class.

  60. qna

    NM: At least I pointed out that he’s a Dortmund boy, it’s his boyhood club.

    Congratulations. So according to your logic he wont leave. This is a ridiculous argument. Why isnt Rooney at Everton. Oh yed it was the big fat cheque that he gets every week.

    NM: I also pointed out that Dortmund took the hit on Lewandowski.

    They didnt have a choice. Not sure how they took the hit?

    NM: You’ve pointed out nothing other than throwing money at something is a good thing(it isn’t)

    You really are a tiresome idiot mate. I didnt point out that its good. Its just the way of the world. A fact of life and of football. Your assertion that no amount of money offered to either Reus or Dortmund would have pried him away last summer is equally as naive as the same being said for this summer.

    NM you often write like you are sime kind of authority on football or arsenal. Not quite sure what it is but you really aught to understand that your no more knowlegable or ITK than anybody else.

  61. Leedsgunner

    “qna you’re conveniently forgetting that Reus was our first choice ahead of Sanchez last summer but sustained a terrible injury that kept him out of the World Cup and affected his form for the best part of this season.”

    Yep.

    I get chills just thinking about it.

    Reus on the left
    Ozil in the middle
    Sanchez on the right.

    Lacazette in the middle.

    BOOM!

    Apparently BvB are looking for new RBs, LBs and a CB. Here’s a thought why don’t we offer them Debuchy, Mertesacker and Gibbs plus £20m in cash for Reus? We get a world class winger for a good price and they get players in positions they are lacking in. Everyone wins. (Debuchy will be 30 next year, I like him but he’ll geet more and more injury prone I fear.)

    I want Walcott to stay all things considered as I think we’ve invested a huge amount of time and money in him for him to give his best footballing years over to someone else. However,this is not at any price. Theo and his advisors need to wake up and smell the coffee… he is not the club’s marquee player anymore. He’s a starter for the Cup games and against the weaker sides during the season. He needs to remember this. Ox, Welbeck and Sanchez are in front of him. He is not indispensable.

    One could argue that we have invested as much time and money into Wilshere — and we shouldn’t sell him to give best footballing years to someone else either. True, there are similarities, but the crucial difference is attitude and role. Theo has a niche role to fill at the club, however limited. what is Jack’s role? How does he fit in? Plus his attitude is wanting at the best of times. Sell Wilshere for a premium and let’s use the money wisely.

  62. shad

    @Seg,

    That’s what some reports said. But even if they didn’t, the money was recovered in ticket sales, tv rights + ads (exhibition games etc), winning the la liga and recently la decima.

  63. Romford Ozil Pele

    “Here’s a thought why don’t we offer them Debuchy, Mertesacker and Gibbs plus £20m in cash for Reus?”

    Lol Leeds steady. Reus is awesome but he isn’t worth that much. We can’t keep changing players every season. At some point you need a semblance of stability. That just upsets the whole balance of the back four and we’d have to reinvest in 3 defenders, get them acclimatised and up to speed, that’ll take time.

    No way we’ll sell Debuchy after a season. He may be 30 but he hasn’t really lost any speed. You need experience so players like him and Per will be kept on the books, and rightly so. If you wanted to raise funds for Reus, all you’d need to do was sell Theo.

  64. Wallace

    i think we’re also guilty of assuming the top German talents are dying to play in the Premier League, but outside of Ozil, Khedira & Kroos pretty much all of them are playing in the Bundesliga and seem to quite like it there.

  65. Edmund Hill

    “He [Theo] gives us the ability to press higher up”

    I think the players who allow us to press higher up are further back. It’s a backline, particularly at centre-half, that is mobile and quick that allows the team to press further up because they can cover if we’re counter-attacked.

    If we’re talking for forwards, I think it’s rather players like Welbeck who enhance our pressing game because they actually put pressure up front. A player like Theo Walcott rather does the opposite – when he doesn’t have the ball he’s very much a passenger, allowing the opposing team to build up their attack from the back, whereas Welbeck and Sanchez are the type who work at disrupting the other team from any fluency at the back/deep midfield. If anything, Walcott seems to be the player you deploy ideally for counter-attacks, when the team is happy to allow the opposition the ball, soak up the pressure, then explode forward.

    See this brilliant post by Jane Cavendish on how Gabriel enhances our pressing game:
    http://youaremyarsenal.com/talking-tactics-does-mertesackers-decline-lead-to-arsenals-rise/

  66. reality check

    Didn’t madrid sell Di Maria anyway. So the true cost of bale wasn’t really 80M? So need to find ways (shirt sales) to recoup?

  67. Nasri's Mouth

    Shad: They went to rich clubs but those rich clubs recover their monies by maintaining high competition and attractiveness by acquiring fine talent.

    Yes, because they can afford to do so. Real Madrid and Barca make an awful lot more money than us, so they have that money in the bank.

    They shop in a different market to us, in just the same way we shop in a different market to Hull for example.

    So Hull don’t try and compete with us for players, and nor do they try to force those players to sign for them by overspending on them because in the long term it would makes things worse rather than better.

    I think we’ve been reticent when it comes to spending money, but over-spending is even worse.

  68. qna

    “Here’s a thought why don’t we offer them Debuchy, Mertesacker and Gibbs plus £20m in cash for Reus?”

    Leeds. How about if we offer them Jenkinson, Mertesacker and Podolski plus £20m. After all they will also be down a striker when Reus leaves. I am no fan of Gibbs as a first teamer, but as a HG squad member he actually has my vote.

  69. Nasri's Mouth

    Seg: Shad, I doubt it very much if Madrid could recover 80m in Jersey sale the first year. Or did they?

    Nothing like it at all.

    On average, RM were selling less than 1.5million shirts a year over the period that they signed Ronaldo.

    The increase in actual shirt sales probably wouldn’t have covered the interest payments on his cost

  70. Leedsgunner

    ROP

    Fair enough… 😉 I would hate to see Reus at Chelsea after losing Hazard and Mata to them.

    As for acquiring three defenders I have to disagree. We would only actually need one. All we would need is to get a LB who could play also as a CB. Laporte would be perfect in this role… and to date less injury prone than Gibbs.

    Fine if we keep Debuchy I would like to see him (like I said yesterday) slow become our 4th CB. Even in this converted position he gives us more pace than Mert. I think Mert’s days at the club are numbered with GB5’s arrival anyway. Do you think Mert will be happy being a sub?

    In my mind I would ideally like to see our defensive core as:

    RB – Bellerin/Jekinson
    CB- GB5/Chambers
    CB-Kos/Mert
    LB-Monreal/Laporte

    Reserve: Debuchy

    Out: Gibbs

  71. Romford Ozil Pele

    Leeds – After signing Cuadrado in Jan, I doubt they’d be after him.

    Debuchy is a fine RB for me. He starts over Sagna for a reason in the NT. Like Monreal, he did a good a job at CB but he’s primarily a RB and we shouldn’t change that. The issue we had with Sagna was that he suffered two leg breaks and wanted huge money with his contract expiring. Debuchy is a starter for one of the best NT in the world so I don’t get you putting him in reserve. Hasn’t lost his dynamism/mobility. Also having two novice RBs is risky. I think Jenks will go to W’Ham this summer but we should include a buyback clause in it so if he really does become amazing, we can bring him back. I doubt it though.

    Also Gibbs won’t go either, needed for HG reasons. Isn’t Laporte primarily a CB, never seen him play LB.

    RE Mert, think he’ll be rotated with Kos/Gabriel. We need options so having all of them plus Chambers isn’t bad. Ideally Kos/Gab will be first choice but all the CBs have different skillsets so will be needed at different points. The likes of Per and Debuchy have vital experience that we really shouldn’t be discarding.

  72. qna

    NM: They shop in a different market to us, in just the same way we shop in a different market to Hull for example.

    This is the greatest trick the devil ever pulled. Where SK is tge devil that lazy eyed SOB. Convincing the faithful of this and having some fans spread the lie.

    Fact is Arsenal are 8th highest paid club in the world. In 2016 our income should jump by around £60m per year, which will put us just a single good sponsorship deal (around £30m a year) away from Barca, PSG and Bayern. Basically the differnce between us and them will be performance income from CL football.

    We can compete with them for players. Dont beleive the devils lies. SK is not a fan.

  73. Nasri's Mouth

    qna: Congratulations. So according to your logic he wont leave. This is a ridiculous argument. Why isnt Rooney at Everton. Oh yed it was the big fat cheque that he gets every week.

    Ok, I’ll try to make this simple for you.

    I’m not saying he WONT leave, I’m suggesting there are good reasons why he DIDN’T. I was telling you that OVERPAYING for a player, which is something you said we SHOULD have done, how we should have FORCED him to join us is both stupid and not possible.

    As for Rooney, I don’t remember him moving to a foreign country when he left Everton, do you ? Stupid comparison.

    qna: You really are a tiresome idiot mate. I didnt point out that its good. Its just the way of the world. A fact of life and of football.

    You said we SHOULD have done it, and I pointed out that we shouldn’t. Don’t you get that?

    And NO, it’s NOT the way of the world at all. That is utter BS. The way of the world is that successful businesses spend properly and sensibly and invest when they know that the investment will make a profit. The ones that overspend as you WANTED us to do are the unsuccessful ones. They ones that constantly do it, are the ones that go bust.

    It’s NOT a fact of life, it’s simple bullshit and you clearly have no idea about how the world works.

    qna: NM you often write like you are sime kind of authority on football or arsenal

    I admit there are many people who know a lot more about the club and football than me, it’s a long long list, but I’ve searched it up and down thoroughly, and you’re not on it.

  74. Marko

    One of Reus, Son or Depay and not only would we not miss a beat with losing Walcott but imo we’d be improving. In fact if Oxlade could add more end product and stay fit we’ve a better prospect. I love Walcott but if he’s this terrible to come to terms with and considering the form after the injury it wouldn’t be the worst thing to happen to us.

  75. Leedsgunner

    blsany

    Leftback you say?.How about Andy Robertson of Hull city?

    Very astute shout! Smart thinking! 😉

    Can he play centreback? Apparently he’s going to be Hull’s player of the year according a couple of mate who are Hull City supporters… plus is he English? If so we don’t lose the HG element we had with Gibbs. I like Gibbs as a man, but he’s just too injury and when he comes back it usually takes him 2 or 3 games to get back into it, if he’s not injured again.

  76. Kane

    Reports suggest Sterling has turned down £100k a week from Pool… So now Sterling, a player who has not won a trophy at his club, has scored less than 20 goals in the premier league and has never scored in Europe is deemed to be worth paying more than £100k a week

    And you wonder why Theo’s agent thinks he should be paid more?

  77. Romford Ozil Pele

    Sterling himself is taking the mickey tbh. He’s 20 years old and is being offered 100k a week. More than double his current pay.

  78. Rhys Jaggar

    ‘brdgunnerMarch 27, 2015 11:44:41
    Does anyone else think our sudden adaptability is down the the squad we know have? Also, could it be, now Arsene has money, he is buying better players and competing? Whisper it, but Arsene might actually be a good manager. COME ON THE GUNNERS’

    He has been rotating properly this season and I have the stats to prove it, collecting a DB of player starts, subs, goals etc game by game. I started mentioning that 5 years ago and for 3 years he just ignored it. Squad rotation isn’t optional, it isn’t a master stroke it’s basic squad management on one simple principle: if someone isn’t good enough to make 15 starts a season, they shouldn’t be in the first team squad at all. They are paid to play football, not sit on the sidelines. So either you are sending youngsters out on loan to get match time at a lower level as a path to bring them to first team squad level, or you must sell them/release them. I don’t consider it ‘being a good manager’ to get paid £8 – 12m a year to take 4 years to learn that basic lesson.

    It’s no good saying ‘the squad wasn’t good enough’: if it wasn’t, he shouldn’t have been paying the ‘not good enough players’ anything. He should have made the squad two players smaller and had players who WERE good enough.

    Now don’t get me wrong, I’m glad Wenger is now rotating properly, even if he has over-played Mertesacker, Cazorla and Sanchez. Coquelin, Arteta, Flamini and Wilshere have shared a load. So have Ozil, AOC and Ramsey. So have Giroud and Welbeck. So have Gibbs and Monreal. So have Chambers, Bellerin and Debuchy.

    There’s always going to be some sub-optimal scenarios due to injury – Walcott, Giroud, Debuchy. And there’s been the mystifying lack of game time for Rosicky.

    But he’s merely doing what many unpaid bloggers have said he should do for 4 or 5 years. And my unproven assumption is that someone inside the club held a gun to his head to make him finally bite the bullet……

  79. Leedsgunner

    ROP

    Fair enough points as always.

    Laporte apparently started at LB who moved into the centre. How many years do you think we’ll get out of Debuchy? Another reason I wanted Jenks back was I can see Bellerin going back to Barça sooner rather than later — if he does, Jenks would be the perfect player to take over RB duties — trying to think ahead that’s all.

  80. london gunner

    I have been roped into going to Wembly to see good old England play.

    No doubt it will be a dismal 1-0 affair against the mighty Lithuania.

    Hate how the media will start over hyping England’s chances as soon as we beat one of these small teams.

    Its akin to beating a 5 year old girl at an arm wrestle then screaming I am the greatest and holding your hands up in the air like a champ.

    We need to realise how shit we are, so we can make the drastic decisions to actually improve in real tangible ways.

    I mean there is talk of transition, but a WC squad of any country is always in transition its the nature of the tournament being every 4 years. Transition is just an excuse in this context to belay and hold of criticism.

    If we were actually improving in small incremental ways, but we aren’t as the best English performance was under Terry Venables in 96 since then we haven’t reached that level.

  81. Romford Ozil Pele

    Leeds – think we signed him on a four-year contract so still expecting another two years at least out of him. The bit about Bellerin is a fair point. Nobody knows when Barca will come for him (convinced it’ll happen at some stage) which is why I said having the buyback clause in Jenks’ contract makes sense. Bellerin himself will be here for a another couple of seasons because when Debuchy comes back, his game time will significantly reduce.

  82. qna

    NM: I admit there are many people who know a lot more about the club and football than me, it’s a long long list, but I’ve searched it up and down thoroughly, and you’re not on it.

    That much is clear from your condescension. It doesnt matter. I couldnt think less of your apparent knowledge either.

  83. Ozy

    I’m not sure we should be talking to Theo about a contract extension just yet. Give him until the end of the season. If his form doesn’t pick up, maybe let him go.

    But honestly, if his form does pick up, offer him the extension at 120K and be done with it. Penny pinching will cost us another player who has performed very well for us in the past and would be an excellent squad option. Better than Welbeck, Ox or Gnabry. That’s for certain. Problem is if he’s willing to accept a smaller role.

    It’s no secret that I don’t rate Ox and I think we still need to bring in one more wing option. Loan out the Ox or Gnabry because their careers have stagnated, bring in a Dybala. Firmino’s overrated, Reus will never come here and I’m convinced he’s not suited for the Premier League, and I can’t really think of any other better wing option right now.

  84. Marko

    Andy Robertson plays for Scotland. Fucking agents ruining the game I tell you.

    Imo though this summer I see Schneiderlin and Dybala being the big purchases. We’ll try get a cheap keeper in if Chesney leaves and the Reus rumours might just be a negotiation ploy with Theo. Either way we wouldn’t be signing a winger unless he left. He probably wants guarantees on game time which we can’t give him. I know some don’t bu t I do see Dybala as a possibility. I think we see Welbeck as a forward/winger rather than a central striker going forward

  85. Ozy

    “Hate how the media will start over hyping England’s chances as soon as we beat one of these small teams.”

    Like I said, delusions of grandeur. 😉

  86. Giroud's Toblerone Boots

    Just wanted to say that Wenger has done good since he stuck the Coq in the hole.

    Gets me very excited 😉

  87. Nasri's Mouth

    @Ozy

    When you say we should offer him £120k and be done with it rather than penny pinching, it’s missing one important factor. How much could we sell him for.

    If it turns out, no-one wants to make a decent offer for him, then keeping him might well make sense. If someone is going to offer enough that we can afford to make a serious upgrade, then we seriously ought to consider selling.

  88. kwik fit

    We have not been getting the best out of theo as it’s really not possible for him to concentrate on two sports. He may have the best will in the world but he’s going to have to decide between Formula one or football, simple as…..

  89. Kane

    I keep having a revolutionary idea… but unfortunately, it will never happen.

    Why not have a sliding scale for players wages based on performance?

    The club sits down with each player at the start of the season and lays out the objectives (i.e. score 15 goals a season, make 15 assists, complete 85% of passes, etc…)

    At the end of the season, they club sits down with the player again and presents their seasons stats – if they have met all their targets then wages stay the same, if they have excelled by say 25% they get a pay rise, if they have failed to meet their targets, they get a pay cut!

    I know there are a tonne of variables, and it would be hard to link a players wage to how the team performs overall (i.e. win a trophy, progress to last 16, etc), but on an individual level, it could be done.

    Suddenly every player is working hard in every game to meet their targets and excel them.

    It could work right?

  90. salparadisenyc

    I’d love Cech, does anybody really see Wenger spending £20+M on a keeper his age? Not even touching on the Mourinho factor, he’ll look at selling the dude to club in Asia Minor before considering the cross town move.

  91. blsany

    Walcott is just a Valencia with few goals.Pay rise for what exactly?.Sanchez ,Ox Welbeck are all ahead of him because they are better players than him.They all can be involved in the build up play,pick a pass,pacey.What does he offer we dont have now?Firmino,Dybala ,Reus thats what we need.

  92. Leedsgunner

    Kane

    Theoretically it could work — plus most industries have KPIs… I wouldn’t be surprised if something like what you suggest is not already in place… tbh. Anyways… having a short Friday — have a good weekend one and all!

  93. Ozy

    “When you say we should offer him £120k and be done with it rather than penny pinching, it’s missing one important factor. How much could we sell him for.”

    But why? Why not keep him on as a squad player? Is this not what top teams do, regardless of how much he’s earning? As a squad player, you can’t do better than him.

    Why are we always thinking about selling our players and buying “better” options? Sell, buy. Sell, buy. We have a strong squad. We need to rid ourselves of the last of the deadwood and really subpar players (Diaby, Flamini, Podolski, Arteta, so on..) and add on top of the squad. A DM, GK, another wing option/striker who can play in the wings ala Dybala..

    Honestly, we can do better in every single position but a team of superstars (completely impossible to do unless you’re a Madrid or Bayern) isn’t always the best option.

  94. Nasri's Mouth

    blsany: Walcott is just a Valencia with few goals.

    Lets be fair, if you’re making that comparison it’s Valencia with LOTs of goals

  95. Nasri's Mouth

    Ozy: But why? Why not keep him on as a squad player? Is this not what top teams do, regardless of how much he’s earning? As a squad player, you can’t do better than him.

    Ok, so your argument isn’t that we should keep Walcott, it’s we should sell Welbeck first?

  96. blsany

    Nasri’s Mouth
    Yeah but Valencia is not goal hanging every game is he?I know i am being harsh on him.He has been out for a year, we treated him well.He comes back and cant get into the team and demands a pay rise?Insane logic from Wally.

  97. Ozy

    No, don’t think we should sell Welbeck either. Give him another season. He’s been decent as a squad option. Much better than Sanogo, Bentdner, etc…

    We should be reinforcing our squad, not having another summer of selling one and replacing him with another. We do not move forward.

  98. Ojaimo

    People making suggestion of a wing player should also consider Pedro of Barcelona. He can play on both wings. Pedro on one side, Sanchez on the other will be awesome and he can track back to defend too.

  99. Ozy

    Pedro would be a great option. I don’t think he’d be that expensive either. Has had a far more diminished role in Barcelona these last few years but Barcelona’s transfer ban is in effect and we won’t be able to buy him until next year and I think he’ll be 28 then.

  100. salparadisenyc

    Nasri

    Where’s the £10m coming from?
    Everything i’ve heard been double that.

    Like I said, and think most would agree he’s a pretty ideal keeper to bring in at this stage but I don’t see it.

  101. Nasri's Mouth

    @Ozy

    Ok, how about this,

    we probably have enough money to buy a DM, a keeper, AND an attacking forward player.

    Is it better we do that and improve the squad rather than keep the money ? I’d say yes

    But if we do that we then have players who are being paid a lot of money who wont be having much of an impact on our season.

    Do we really need Sanchez, Ozil, Cazorla, Welbeck, Gnabry, Oz, Walcott and Reus (for example)

    Realistically we have at least 1 too many players for those positions and we’re paying £5m a year for someone we don’t want.

    So for me I’d loan Gnabry because a) he’s young enough that he has potential to improve and b) his value is likely to go up with playing time

    and then look to sell one of Welbeck, Oz or Walcott

    So then it’s really just a decision about which is the worst player of those 3 for our squad and the way we play

  102. Nasri's Mouth

    @salparadisenyc

    Well, people are just plucking figures from the air, but £10m is the maximum amount I could see Wenger paying for Cech.

    He’ll be 33 before the start of the season, I just don’t think we’d pay anymore than that for someone his age, who isn’t a 1st choice keeper with 1 year left on his contract

  103. Ozy

    That makes sense, NM. But out of the three (Ox, Walcott, Welbeck) is Walcott the least likely to make an impact?

    So because he would fetch the most money, we should stick with Ox and Welbeck who right now, have very little end product and are inconsistent? I’m not sure. 5 million a year is very feasible for Arsenal, even if it’s a squad option.

    But Ox has a higher ceiling and Welbeck needs to be given more time so the smart thing to do would cash in on Walcott. I just have a feeling that would come back to bite us in the ass.

  104. qna

    “Tuttomercatoweb claims that the French side are ready to offer Edinson Cavani, Marco Verratti and a lump sum of £14.5million in exchange for the midfield talisman.

    Pogba has been linked with both Chelsea and United in recent times, whilst Verratti, valued at £22m, and Cavani, valued at £36.5m, …”

    What now? Can we get in on this? We’ve got £58.5m that we could give you PSG.

  105. Nasri's Mouth

    @Ozy

    For me, the main problem with the Ox is his fitness. IF he can stay fit, I think he’s a better prospect than Walcott.

    I’m not a massive Welbeck fan, but IMO he’s made us a better side.

    Would I sell Walcott over Welbeck ? I think it comes down to how the contract negotiations go.

    It’s also tricky to sell a player when they’ve only been at the club 1 year, it’s a pretty rare thing, even when they’re under-performing, which Welbeck isn’t really.

  106. Byo

    Arteta has signed new deal- one year.
    No way Wenger will get rid of Wilshere(with Coquelin, only real academy players in squad).

    I can see Poldi, Jenkinson, Diaby and Flamini leaving(and possibly Rosicky too).
    Walcott cannot hold the club to ransom anymore, may leave(wont cry over it).

    Happy day here soon.

  107. Hitchy

    Kane, that system couldn’t work in practice unless you had a large number of KPI’s involved. Many contracts have Goal / Assist or Cleansheet bonus’s built in. If you wanted to put specific clauses on it means the player would only have 1 role in the team.

    For e.g. Attacking players you will want goals and assists etc, but do you also incentivise tackles made? Otherwise you have team a self-serving individuals which do not pull towards a collective goal.

    Another example: at the start of the Season they make a contract for Santi Cazorla, which has KPI’s on chances created, passes completed, goals, and assists. When Wenger moves him into a deeper lying position in midfield as we have seen with him next to Coq recently. His influence on the game is in different areas and likely hood of a chance created / assist far lower in this deeper lying role – hence directly affecting his ‘performance’ even though he can be contributing more to an Arsenal win.

  108. shad

    @Ozy,

    Keeping Walcott in as a squad player is too risky and expensive. His game has hit a ceiling, he will surely decline once his pace diminishes. And thereafter we will struggle to shift him when we realize he is tosh and on an obscene wage. No need to look far. We have Poldi and Diaby.

    Oh, and saying we shouldn’t look at it as a buy/sell model is just plain daft. Football is a business and the players themselves are greedy. No loyalty anymore. Just trying to cash in where the chips fall most for the lot. I don’t feel sorry for the club playing hard ball because guess what, it’s you and I who will foot his wages.

  109. shad

    @Ozy,

    Saying we shouldn’t cull the squad is counter productive. How many loanees do we have? How many are perennially on the treatment table?

    Our squad is bloated and we need to move off many before we reinforce with quality. Problem is, Wenger’s version of qualideee has been very suspect this past decade.

  110. carts

    Based on 7 games this season Arteta got a new deal? The guy is on a steady decline.

    Just do away with him and other players that don’t elevate us.