Arsene probably thinks Arsenal can catch Chelsea. Do you?

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Hump day? Get the f*ck out of my face with hump day. You’re an embarrassment. Go and sit in the kitchen and think about how you just greeted the office.

I tell you what though, international week gives me the hump. It’s an excuse for the whole world to bitch about all the boring stuff.

‘WE NEED MORE HARRY KANE’S!’

Oh dear. Really? IS THAT WHAT LIFE HAS BECOME FOR US!

It’s like saying we need more reality TV stars, or more X Factor episodes. I don’t like to read it. I really don’t.

I tell you what is an interesting thought, and I might write it up. But have Arsenal damaged their squad going all operation English? Chambers, Theo, Jack, Jenks, WELBZ, Chambo… I mean they’re quite an expensive crew who haven’t really delivered much past being good squad players. Is it worth it? I know we have to have them because of quotas. But are they kicking us up a level?

BIG QUESTIONS WE DON’T LIKE TO ANSWER BECAUSE IT SCARES US TO

I love the boys, but you do feel like they’re the builders in a studio of artists.

Tomas Rosicky is in the papers this morning basically asking Arsene Wenger to give him a go in the team for a bit. I can’t imagine the Czech is going to sign another deal with us, all he wants to do is play soccerball with his pals, but it’d be nice if he had a terrific goodbye final 9 games. He’s also at the age where you wonder if he might be worth keeping on in a coaching capacity. Arguably, he’s one of the most technically gifted in the side, he’s a hard worker, incredibly personable and he’s played at the highest level for many years.

Plus, he ages backwards. Look at his face. Look at his improved fitness as he grows older. It’s messed up.

Injury news is looking sweet. Jack, Debuchy and Arteta are all back in contention for the Liverpool game. I’m not sure any of them could be considered for a start. They’ll be incredibly rusty and others are playing really well / they’ll mostly have had a rest over the last week or so. I still find it quite amazing we’re giving Arteta another deal. We’re shifting players on that are one dimensional like Theo and Lukas, but we’re keeping players who can’t hack the pace anymore? Unless it’s a coaching thing, it makes little sense to me. Arteta slows our game dramatically, he’s incredibly injury prone and yeah, those are the only two points I have.

Arsene Wenger has said that Chelsea are too far away to catch. But anything can happen. GOOD WORDS.

I think the exciting thing about the run in is that there are no guarantees for anyone. It’s the most bestest Premier League in years. David Moyes slagging it off as poor. It’s a total lack of understanding about its strength… and hey, look, David, you couldn’t win it. Why should a league be defined as good / bad based on whether it has one or two totally exceptional teams? It should be about whether it’s a competition or not. A few weeks ago, it looked like it wasn’t. Now, out of nowhere, it’s become a race. Blink and something changes.

Isn’t this what we’ve been crying out for over the years? Yes it is. Strong teams all over the place.

If we took the approach of the European countries when it came to protecting our Euro interests, it’d be even better.

One element of the league I love, is that when it doesn’t succeed, it’s about English people and their archaic approach to football.

Then in the next breath, we’re bemoaning a lack of English input.

Guys and gals, if the league isn’t up to scratch, it’s not because of English input. It’s the foreigners and all their sweet technical know how killing it.

Anyway, I love the Premier League. I love the power, the pace, the skill, the passion, the fight and atmosphere. Love it. Love it like Kevin Keegan loves seeing United lose. Love it like Sanchez loves kicking the ball. Love it like Lukas Podolski’s social media team love ignoring the fact he’s on an appalling run of form.

F*cks given? Get me on the social boys.

F*cks given? Get me on the social boys.

Right, I really have to go to work to do some stuff. I’ve been in bed at 10 every night since Sunday. What have I become?

Responsible.

 

 

446 Responses to “Arsene probably thinks Arsenal can catch Chelsea. Do you?”

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  1. mysticleaves

    “QNA, Clichy is the blueprint? Says who. He cost us
    against Birmingham in ’08.”

    Romford coming from you? The “don’t use one game to judge a player” master? Me and you both though.

    Also, I am now totally convinced Arteta didn’t majorly play CAM that season. Yossi, Ramsey did. Thanks

  2. london gunner

    I shudder to think of the deadwood era.

    Lol the heap shit we had at this club.

    Squillaci
    Almunia
    Bendtner
    Denilson
    Chamakh
    djourou
    diaby
    gervinho
    park
    miyachi (never seen a player more afraid of being on a football pitch)
    santos

  3. Ozy

    I see the “Arteta is a good player” agenda has slithered it’s way into today’s comments section. Terrible signing, end of.

    “Why should a league be defined as good / bad based on whether it has one or two totally exceptional teams?”

    Doesn’t Pedro constantly use that argument to bash on other leagues? “La Liga is a two horse race” “Bundesliga is dominated by Bayern”

  4. gambon

    Lol, Arteta may be somewhat a waste of space now, but to say he’s a terrible signing is ridiculous.

    You will never win the CL with Arteta class in your first XI but he definitely added something.

  5. mysticleaves

    London what do you mean by deadwood? Players that aren’t good enough? Or that were good enough but didn’t play cos of injury?

  6. Nasri's Mouth

    Love it when someone claims others are rewriting history and then immediately post this

    “IMO the football with Arteta in the team was utterly dire, lacklustre and poor beyond excuse. ”

    hyperbolic irony at it’s best

    And for Clichy and Nasri to be world class, the definition of world class has to be something like:

    ‘anyone who’s a decent footballer, with a 4-5 month spell of being very good, often makes a fecking hash of it.’

  7. MidwestGun

    London –
    You just made me kinda nauseas with that list. 🙁
    lol
    So you’ve finally come around on Szczesny? Weren’t you the one going on about him winning the golden glove and clean sheets, etc?

  8. Romford Ozil Pele

    Mystic – I gave a couple examples. Two games that cost us heavily ultimately. But Clichy is a travesty. Very quick player but brain dead.

  9. london gunner

    Arteta does no more than Tom Cleverly and TM is plying his trade on the aston villa bench.

    According to the stats Mertzacker is one of the best passers in the league, so the fact Arteta has a massive pass accuracy rate doesn’t hold as much water for me as it does for others.

    Mert averages 60 passes a game at pass completion rate of 92%.
    Arteta has such a high passing rate not because he is a fabulous passer, but because he is low risk in his passing.

    A proper manager who actually disciplines his players could get most average CM’s to clock in Arteta’s passing figures

  10. Goondawg

    Need another three games for that clown pic from the FA

    The only clowns are that Liverpool defence and his captain

  11. MidwestGun

    London –
    Yes but again you are arguing several different points, 2011 Arteta vs Now.
    Killing a game off vs overall play. Mertesacker a defender vs a midfielder.
    Anyhow, if your arguement is AW sucked at transfers. I agree. Lol. Not sure Arteta is the best example.

  12. gambon

    Lol Silvinho wasnt bad, but not close to the same class as Cole.

    Fact is if he had stayed at Arsenal we would be talking about him as one of the best LBs ever.

    he was pure class. 13 major trophies, 107 caps, one of the only players to consistently outplay Ronaldo

  13. Romford Ozil Pele

    Don’t think anyone could ever dispute Cashley’s ability. Annoying as hell but a top class FB for over a decade and won a plethora of trophies. Arsenal flopped that one IMO, and it was to the rent boys benefit. Would’ve ended up Arsenal captain and nobody would’ve spoken of the likes of Samsom, Winterburn, Sylvinho and the like.

  14. Dissenter

    Regardless of how you interpret Arteta’s previous quality, my question is why waste a squad player that everyone can see is done physically.
    There have been several games where the referee was running faster that Arteta when the opposition team were counterattacking.

    Arteta slows the game down with sideways passing; some will say its controlling the game because it denies the opposition in games we are ahead but how many goals have we conceded from free-kick that he gave away because he got robbed of the ball due to a lack of speed.

    Wenger is just annoying because he does not when to let go. Podolski and Campbell could have been moved on for good money but he kept them until their values has dropped. Arteta needs to be clapped out; give him a lower wage and coaching opportunity because you know he will decline, then clap him off the stage.

  15. mysticleaves

    “Mystic – I gave a couple examples. Two games that
    cost us heavily ultimately. But Clichy is a travesty.
    Very quick player but brain dead.”

    Same thing to me though. A game is a game. You shouldn’t judge a player by a game.

    Moreso clichy wasn’t really bad. Just that he wasn’t fantastic. He won PL best LB that same 08/09 yeah?

  16. Romford Ozil Pele

    Mystic – he was ok but no big deal. My comments were in response to the notion that he was WC. When he left in 2011, Lahm was still playing FB. You had Evra, Contreao, Marcelo, Cole. Even Abidal was still featuring for Barca, so no, Clichy was never among the best IMO.

  17. mysticleaves

    “Arteta has such a high passing rate not because he is
    a fabulous passer, but because he is low risk in his
    passing.”

    5 long balls per game, 91% accuracy, 60% forward passes averaged in 4years. Not sure what you mean there london gooner

  18. gambon

    “Cole hasn’t the capacity or capabilities t”

    Lol, Cole scored one of the best ever goals our best ever team scored against Villa away.

    Absolute magic.

  19. MidwestGun

    Regardless of how you interpret Arteta’s previous quality, my question is why waste a squad player that everyone can see is done physically.
    __________
    Diss –
    Well… i agree with you there. Had this same arguement with Keyser for about 3 hours. Lol. Basically, i got the it’s only a year and we need experience on the bench arguement. Anyhow, it boils down to we need a new captain, for me. Someone who is a leader and will play the majority of games.

  20. Seg

    If Arteta wasn’t Fabrigas’ replacement, he sure as hell wasn’t bought as DM either. Also I don’t remember Benayoun playing too many games, I could be getting it twisted though

  21. Dan Ahern

    Don’t see how Arteta “slows play down.” He is physically slow, but that is not nearly the same thing.

    He constantly cycles the ball and can play it through the lines. If he was even 25% faster there wouldn’t even be an argument between him and Coquelin.

  22. Romford Ozil Pele

    “Don’t see how Arteta “slows play down.” He is physically slow, but that is not nearly the same thing.

    He constantly cycles the ball and can play it through the lines. If he was even 25% faster there wouldn’t even be an argument between him and Coquelin.”

    Amen 100%

    Coq needs to improve his distribution but he’s done well so far.

  23. gambon

    Good point, Left backs should be a constant source of goals.

    Silvinho…..6 caps for Brazil, no goals…..stunning left back.

  24. mysticleaves

    Seg, Benayoun played mostly from march till the end of season. That led to many call for Arsene to sign him permanently.

  25. Dissenter

    Mesut Ozil just set a very high bar for himself:
    ‘I’m convinced I can win the Ballon D’Or’

    Now he has the bulls-eye on his back but I think Romford will be pleased that Ozil is ready for the challenge.

  26. Redtruth

    Cole was a crummy centre forward that’s why he ended up at left back.

    Wenger did not rate him and it was by accident he ended up playing for Arsenal.

  27. qna

    Arteta slows the play with his tempo. He gets so much of the ball that he basically sets the teams tempo. Our play becomes utterly predictable and we do not threaten. Contrast with Rosicky, who perhaps plays at a tempo that is too fast at times – or maybe too reckless. But we are a different side with one vs the other.

  28. Dan Ahern

    Coq has given us what we need. He supports the defense and has stabilised us. But as far as him being our DM/deep mid? I just don’t see it yet. Too deficient in other areas. Needs too much help imo.

    I know it’s harsh because he’s done admirably, but I’m looking at his position as the #1 area to upgrade.

    (having posting issues sorry if this showed up multiple times)

  29. Romford Ozil Pele

    Arteta passes very quickly between the lines. People forget that he’s the deepest midfielder. His job mainly is to recycle. Rosicky plays much higher up so of course he can play a more risky game.

  30. gambon

    The rpoblem with Arteta is the problem with the last 5 years at Arsenal.

    He doesnt have the required balance of skills. Hes a good footballer, but at big clubs you need excellent specialists.

    Hes not strong enough defensively as a DM. Hes not quick enough, not powerful enough, and isnt a natural 3rd CB

    He doesnt have the legs or the engine to play B2B, and doesnt have the attacking skills.

    He used to be a pretty good AM, but never Cesc level.

  31. mysticleaves

    “Contrast with Rosicky, who
    perhaps plays at a tempo that is too fast at times –
    or maybe too reckless. But we are a different side
    with one vs the other.”

    Remind yourself of how many times Rossa’s failed quick flicks has led to counter attacks against us?

    There are merits in both system just like there are demerits.

  32. Leedsgunner

    “Mesut Ozil just set a very high bar for himself:
    ‘I’m convinced I can win the Ballon D’Or’”

    Don’t worry even if he does gambon will call him a c***. 😉 Remember according to him he’s one of the worst players to play for Arsenal… lol.

  33. Romford Ozil Pele

    “Remind yourself of how many times Rossa’s failed quick flicks has led to counter attacks against us?”

    As an attacking player, you’re more likely to turn the ball over. This is tinged with the fact that you’re also the one more likely to make the difference. Naturally you should have the personnel behind to mop up where necessary/where you give the ball away

  34. Leedsgunner

    @1419

    “He doesnt have the required balance of skills. Hes a good footballer, but at big clubs you need excellent specialists.Hes not strong enough defensively as a DM. Hes not quick enough, not powerful enough, and isnt a natural 3rd CBHe doesnt have the legs or the engine to play B2B, and doesnt have the attacking skills.”

    That’s why he looked THE BOSS at Everton — truth be told he was perfect for their level and their system. I suspect the same is true for Fellani.

  35. Nasri's Mouth

    qna: Contrast with Rosicky, who perhaps plays at a tempo that is too fast at times – or maybe too reckless. But we are a different side with one vs the other.

    They play different positions, different roles, how, or more importantly WHY are you comparing them?

  36. Ozy

    People seem to be forgetting how horribly we played with Arteta on the side. 10 mil signing. Geriatric AM turned DM. Outran by the referee.

    Short term memories, I guess.

  37. london gunner

    mystic

    cross-field long balls are a safe pass. So 5 long passes a game is warping the stats.

    Only 60 percent forward passes? That’s only 10 percent over a 50/50 split.

    Not impressed mate. Try 70 percent forward passes then you may start to have a point.

  38. Romford Ozil Pele

    “People seem to be forgetting how horribly we played with Arteta on the side”

    Horribly? Well it’s down to personal interpretation. Our win % with him in the side is very high so it doesn’t support your statement. Physically he’s obviously declined and that’s all you seem to be basing your argument off. To say he’s not contributed nothing is silly. He did a lot of stabilising after that 8-2.

  39. Paulinho

    Arteta is on a totally different level to Coquelin in terms of recycling the ball and building up ahead of steam by constantly showing for the ball and finding new avenue of attack. The performances he’s put in against Dortmund at home – in that respect – are beyond Coquelin.

    Coquelin is a strange player. He’s got alot of talent in terms of being able to dribble and turn out of tight spaces, but gets noticeably uncomfortable when he receives the ball in a lot in short periods of time. It’s like his touch just falls apart and his passing dramatically dips in the space of a minute even.

    He also tires dramatically and has to force himself to actually move forward with the ball, even if there’s a lot space in front of him. Explosive but lacks endurance and needs periods of rest in games.

  40. mysticleaves

    Goonerdaily on Kane
    “Never have I seen a player blessed with such luck in
    front of goal while being such a poor player in other areas of his game.”

    I tend to agree that he’s had much luck cos most of his goals are rebounds (they count anyway). But that’s a lil bit harsh on the fella.

  41. Leedsgunner

    “He did a lot of stabilising after that 8-2.”

    Yep, like I said he gave us imo 18 months of good football and then slowly went downhill. We can’t look at what the player did for us in the past — we need to look at what he does for us in the present, and what he offers for us in the future. THat is why I suggest he should be let go.

  42. Ozy

    We do need to bring in a strong, commanding DM ala Kondogbia and a deep-lying playmaker ala Cabaye, that I agree with.

    Xabi, Verrati, Modric.. players Arteta wishes he’d share even an ounce of talent with.

  43. gambon

    At big clubs you need players that ARENT a compromise.

    Coquelin and Arteta are both a compromise.

    Schneiderlin and Matic are good examples of players that arent.

    Schneiderlin is just as good as Coquelin defensively, but is excellent on the ball, good short and long passer, and on the ball a hell of a lot.

  44. Nasri's Mouth

    @Dan Ahern

    Yeah, I agree about Coq. He’s doing a very good job at the moment, and I’m pleased he’s re-signed with us, but if we can find someone out there that has…err.. more strings to their bow, then lets get them.

    Having said that, there was an interview with Wenger (I think) where he talked about Coq and said that he needed to focus on certain aspects of his game, IE the defending, and ignore the other parts such as the playmaking. It may be that Coq is keeping it simple for the moment. Tackle, give it to Cazorla tackle, give to Ozil if he’s come deep, rinse and repeat.

  45. london gunner

    ROP

    “Arteta passes very quickly between the lines. People forget that he’s the deepest midfielder. His job mainly is to recycle. Rosicky plays much higher up so of course he can play a more risky game.”

    No he doesn’t. He passes very slowly that’s one of the reason he slowed us in the attack. Stop rewriting history trying to make Arteta what he isn’t.

    Players who pass quickly through the lines and ALSO help contribute to the attacking play are Pirlo, Xavi alonso, Xavi and even Busquets. Unlike the former players Arteta didn’t help our attack he hindered it as he didn’t have the adequate tempo of passing/vision to do so.

    He was bog average metronome. He did a simple job partly because he had a very limited skilset.

  46. Romford Ozil Pele

    To say Arteta had no talent is just bias at its finest. He’s a very good player. Arteta was born in a generation where Spanish talent was through the roof. Xavi/Iniesta have been running it for ages. Silva, Mata, Cesc, Santi etc all had long periods on the bench for the NT. Arteta missing out isn’t saying much really.

  47. Ozy

    Gave us a lot of stabilizing but also was a leading contributing factor to us getting hammered to top sides. I guess it’s all a matter of what memory you choose to cling to.

    Not his fault Wenger brought him in to play a role he was not then, nor is now, physically suited for. To say he stablized the team by himself is also kind of silly. He did well to “stablize” the team during a really difficult time but we needed so much more then and we need so much more now.

    I’m more than happy to see the last of Arteta as an Arsenal player. We need better.

  48. qna

    NM I am not comparing them by position I was noting that these two players set tempo in the team. I am not comparing Arteta and Rosicky as players. Arteta sets a poor tempo. Our play with him pulling the strings in CM results in predictable football.

    I noted Rosicky can be reckless. I didnt even say we needed to play with Rosickys tempo. I was merely pointing out a difference which most fans can easily recognose. Also Rosickys tempo is useful when we are chasing a goal. People here have elluded that Artetas is useful when defending one. While I agree with that, I dont think we should waste a squad position for him because of this.

  49. Romford Ozil Pele

    “No he doesn’t. He passes very slowly that’s one of the reason he slowed us in the attack. Stop rewriting history trying to make Arteta what he isn’t.”

    Who’s rewriting history? Arteta’s job as the deepest midfielder is to recycle possession, pass quickly through the lines which he’s done a very good job of. Arteta has never hindered our attacking game. Where he gets caught is in transition when the team loses possession and there are too many bodies ahead of the ball. If Arteta had Coq’s mobility, this wouldn’t even be a debate tbh. And i’m not even try to slight Coq. But I think people are losing their rag over him. He’s had a good 15 games and people are going over the top in their praise of him.

  50. Amey

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  51. N5

    “Coquelin has been our best player these last 10 games.”

    Jebus. Marble said something I semi agree with, is the world ending?

  52. london gunner

    gambon

    Stats wise and also just looking at general play, Coq is better on the ball his quite a shrewd dribbler and especially good in tight spaces in the middle.

    Schneiderlin is a ridiculously well balanced player, but his main weakness being he isn’t great on the ball.

    Though he is a much much more accomplished passer.

  53. Nasri's Mouth

    Ozy: People seem to be forgetting how horribly we played with Arteta on the side.

    Really ? We played better with him than without him

    A lot of the issues we had, (hopefully it’s now in the past) is that we didn’t defend as a team, and whether Arteta was the worst or best player in the world didn’t matter because we simply got over run.

    Part of the reason Coq is doing so well is because the team is working well around him.

  54. Romford Ozil Pele

    “Gave us a lot of stabilizing but also was a leading contributing factor to us getting hammered to top sides.”

    When we got hammered it was generally a shambolic team performance so why you choose to single him out is anyone’s guess. Like I said, i’m not even portraying him as the answer but he’s getting so much unjust stick. We have FLAMINI who is an abomination of a footballer and yet nobody ever mentions him.

  55. Dan Ahern

    Anyway, gambon has the long and short of it. Just like Arteta, Coquelin was brought in as a stopgap measure. As I said, deep-lying mid should be our top priority this summer.

  56. Ozy

    Arteta a very good player … oh my.

    “No he doesn’t. He passes very slowly that’s one of the reason he slowed us in the attack. Stop rewriting history trying to make Arteta what he isn’t.”

    This. Do people not remember Arteta’s famed sideways passes that would slow down our play completely and cancel our counter attacks?

  57. Romford Ozil Pele

    “A lot of the issues we had, (hopefully it’s now in the past) is that we didn’t defend as a team, and whether Arteta was the worst or best player in the world didn’t matter because we simply got over run.

    Part of the reason Coq is doing so well is because the team is working well around him.”

    THIS 100%

  58. Nasri's Mouth

    london gunner: He did a simple job partly because he had a very limited skilset.

    Again, this is simply not true. Arteta’s skill set is actually pretty broad, hence why he’s played at various positions

  59. Romford Ozil Pele

    “Do people not remember Arteta’s famed sideways passes that would slow down our play completely and cancel our counter attacks?”

    He’s playing as the DM. His job is to recycle possession and keep things ticking over. Not be the main creative fore.

  60. Amey

    Arteta has tactical discipline that No other arsenal players had. To say he was rubbiish is simply not true. Also he is a role model and a leader on and off the pitch.

  61. mysticleaves

    London, check Arteta’s stas this season

    “Arteta, in the English Barclays Premier League, has
    scored no goals this season, creating three chances
    and one assist. Arteta has completed 376 passes this
    season with a pass accuracy of 94%, of which 73%
    were forward passes.” Squaka.

    And I said over 60%

  62. Nasri's Mouth

    qna: NM I am not comparing them by position I was noting that these two players set tempo in the team.

    but they play different positions so they have different roles, so of course they’ll play differently. That’s basic stuff. You can’t criticise Arteta by saying Rosicky does a better job, because Rosicky’s job is different.

    It’s like complaining about how long your plumber takes to rewire your house

  63. Ozy

    So when I say Arteta was one of the leading contributors to us getting hammered, the response is “no. we were terrible as a team.”

    But then he’s credited to stabilizing our team after that 8-2 thrashing? Would it not then also be a team effort?

    Very selective argumentative tactics here.

  64. salparadisenyc

    Think we need to look at Arteta for when he was brought in and under what circumstance. Any shortcomings he may have is all on Wenger for not seeing that summer of 2011 window out in the necessary manner. You can’t sell the pulse of the side then act like it never too place.

    An absolute panic buy alongside, Mertesacker, Park, Santos and Benayoun on loan. Mental that deadline day on the heals of the beat down at Old T.

    To say Arteta added nothing is completely false but the overall squad was such a mixed bag of players. No vision was put into fleshing that side out, we lacked any sort of identity. Don’t tell me Wenger was banking on Van Persie to pull that out of the hat, barring him and we finish well out of the champions league.

    To Arteta’s credit he adapted his game to fill our needs, and did a professional job of it. As others have stated if he’s got a bit more pace this conversation isn’t taking place. I’m of the opinion we need to move on, but do see ROP’s point and agree with it. He could further adapt himself to seeing games out as a 70th min sub, that then of course opens the door for all types of Wengerism.

  65. Ozy

    “He’s playing as the DM. His job is to recycle possession and keep things ticking over. Not be the main creative fore.”

    So what is his purpose? When he’s being outran by the referee, he’s not much of a defensive force. You say he plays as the DM but his skillset make him much better suited as a deep lying playmaker/DM, who actually do have to contribute to attack .. but he doesn’t because he passes sideways and backwards and slows down our counter attacks.

    What exactly does he do, then? I think his role in our team is being gassed up because we had no real alternatives all these years so whenever he was out, we had to put square pegs in round holes.

  66. Romford Ozil Pele

    “Very selective argumentative tactics here”

    It isn’t really selective. The team in 2011 was a shambles and was literally starting from scratch, Arteta was the main contributor in that due to his calming influence. When we were getting hammered last season, Arteta was being left to defend the Red Sea when other people were abandoning their stations. In the big games last season, Ozil, Ramsey, Wilshere, Per, Kos, Gibbs were all just as culpable.

  67. qna

    “Suggest you go back to the tape, london gunner.”

    You mean the tape where we were a blatantly mediocre team that was completely predictable? Pass. Arteta has to get some credit. He is a perfect fit for the top 4 project and I am sure SK and IG love him. But thats all he was. Somewhere in between the best and the rest. Unlike his contempories in Spain like Xavi, Iniesta etc, Arteta was never going to lead a tean to success. If Spain didnt have the 4 or 5 players in front of him, then Spain too would not have won world cups and euros.

  68. Amey

    Good Point Leeds 🙂 But in top 20 coaches there is no Simeonee. Surely he will come to arsenal if we offered more salary . Wenger is probably at correct place when you consider the quality of managers and money earned.

  69. Nasri's Mouth

    Ozy: Do people not remember Arteta’s famed sideways passes that would slow down our play completely and cancel our counter attacks?

    Not really, as he’s played for us for several years now, can you provide with a couple dozen examples if they’re famous ?

  70. Ozy

    Arteta as a 70th minute sub in games we are already winning against opposition who do not possess an incredible attacking or counter attacking threat, sure. He’ll do well. Better than Flamini.

    But only for the remainder of the season. Once this season is over, he needs to leave or be moved up to a managerial position because another season of Arteta’s “calming” presence will do my heart in.

  71. Nasri's Mouth

    Amey:

    8. Sven-Goran Eriksson (Shanghai SIPG): €8 million (£6 million)

    Wow, you can’t knock his negotiating skills

  72. Romford Ozil Pele

    “So what is his purpose? When he’s being outran by the referee,”

    Lol he never got outrun by any referee.

    “You say he plays as the DM but his skillset make him much better suited as a deep lying playmaker/DM”

    Yeah I agree, hence why I said I could see Arteta-Coquelin together. Nobody is really gassing him up because we’ve all said that he needs to be upgraded but to ignore his contribution is silly. People chuck in stuff like ‘sideway passes’ like it’s not important. Arsenal play teams who come and park the bus so it of course requires a patient game – that includes constantly shifting the ball/creating different angles. It’s a probing game and Arteta helps to keep things moving perfectly in that sense.

  73. mysticleaves

    London: Players who pass quickly through the lines and ALSO
    help contribute to the attacking play are Pirlo, Xavi
    alonso, Xavi and even Busquets.

    And all these guys are famed for holding possession just like Arteta. They just give more long forward balls. In very few matches have I seen Xavi get a ground-pass-forward assist

  74. Alfie

    “He’s playing as the DM. His job is to recycle possession and keep things ticking over. Not be the main creative fore.”

    Kind of a strawman answer.

    I think he is a wasted body that adds very little. More of a hindrance than help.

    He reminds me of that little old woman in the shop with the trolley who you just want to overtake but know if you clip her ankles, she’s gonna buckle.

  75. Nasri's Mouth

    Alfie: He reminds me of that little old woman in the shop with the trolley who you just want to overtake but know if you clip her ankles, she’s gonna buckle.

    I think if you went into a tackle with Arteta, you’d be the one looking like a little old lady

  76. salparadisenyc

    Nasri

    My thoughts exactly… same could be said for AVB, although I think he may have the actual goods where as Sven has quite simply fashioned himself into something he is not. A football manager.

    Fact he managed the 3 lions is all we need to know about the operating level of the FA. Followed by Brolly Mclaren, Capello and Hodgsen.

    To be fair I thought Capello would fare better… complete failure.
    Go youth across the board, likely get blown aways for a bit but it would build the base.

  77. Leedsgunner

    Didn’t Simeone just sign a new contract to 2020? For the record he is no. choice… even over Pep (who I read is being tapped up by Man United — what’s new?)

  78. Romford Ozil Pele

    “Didn’t Simeone just sign a new contract to 2020?”

    Yeah he did. Great for La Liga that is. Yeah Pep is still United fav IMO

  79. Nasri's Mouth

    @leedsgunner

    Yeah, signed to 2019 or 2020 or similar.

    Given that the chance of Wenger leaving before the end of his contract is minimal, if we wanted Simeone as a manager, it’s probably a good thing.

  80. Leedsgunner

    Hodsgson is just a complete reaction to Capello… like a stop gap rebound girlfriend when you’re still in shock after a long relationships ended… I would be amazed if Hodgson does anything worthy of note with the national side.

  81. Nasri's Mouth

    @Leedsgunner

    Agreed on Hodgson.

    He’s not a bad manager, but…

    The press wanted the National Side managed by an Englishman, so the FA gave them their wish.

  82. MidwestGun

    Pep to United seems pretty likely unfortunately.
    Enjoy these days boys.
    _________
    And to think i used to like you Sal. 😡
    Lol

    Maybe LVG gets a 4th place finish and they keep him around…. please please please.

  83. mysticleaves

    I think if eveybody were available, I wouldn’t want Simeone anywhere near us.

    He’s pretty much like Maureen, sets up defensively even against teams with similar/lower strength more often than not.

  84. Nasri's Mouth

    @Midwestgun

    I’d imagine LvG stays for next season whatever happens and Pep joins ManU for 2016/17

  85. Romford Ozil Pele

    Pep at Man United. With all that money and all that firepower. Shoot me now.

    Anyway it’d be just rewards for United. They’re the biggest club in England and have been incredibly successful the past two decades so are just reaping the financial benefits now.

  86. salparadisenyc

    Leeds

    I’m with you, Hodgson is about as safe as they could go, bet the thought process was maybe he’ll make the QFs but he’s English! Last time I was excited to watch England play in a competitive was the 2006 WC, but man it was turgid as ever. Think a single penalty was converted in the lost shoot out to Portugal. Pikey’s red card was more exciting than the performance.

    Either way was tough to follow anything other than the ZZ masterclass that build up a head of steam and cut its glorious path.

  87. WengerEagle

    The job should have been Arry’s damn it.

    To be fair with the former Pompey wizard in charge of England you boys would have been looking at a front 3 of Defoe-Crouchie-Bobby Zamora in the World Cup.

    Bobby would have tucked away Rooney’s chance against Italy!

  88. Nasri's Mouth

    @WengerEagle

    ‘Arry would have stomped off after he realised he wasn’t allowed to bring in that triffic little midfielder just because he was from Croatia.

  89. Wallace

    i think we’d have a decent shot at Guardiola. lot of promising young players, a few world class ones, and money in the bank….plus, he’s hardly been slumming it in his choice of where to live recently – Barcelona, New York, Munich….not sure Manchester will have quite the same pull.

  90. underrated Coq

    “Part of the reason Coq is doing so well is because the team is working well around him.”

    So let me get this straight- Coquelin looks good mainly because all his teammates try their damndest to help the kid out. But Arteta often looked like a liability because the same teammates didn’t bother helping him, the poor guy.

    Ha!

  91. Romford Ozil Pele

    Yeah London does seem to be Arsenal’s main bargaining tool. I think when Wenger goes we won’t be having managers for more than five years at a time so should be looking to go for the best. If Pep isn’t available, give Don Carlo a call 😉

    But who knows, there may be some new managers on the horizon by then. Funnily enough, I could see Klopp at United.

  92. WengerEagle

    Haha Nasri’s Mouth, remember his little back and forth with the interviewer when he said that his Missus would have stuck away Darren Bent’s sitter?

    Character.

  93. salparadisenyc

    Middy

    Don’t shoot the messenger (s).

    Gazidas knows whats coming, he should have a red file sat atop his desk labeled:

    For You’re Eyes Only
    TOP SECRET

    Once opened appears an 8×10 glossy of Peps expression watching the best club side ever assembled decimating the Arsenal at home.

    In sexy font : Operation Pep 2017.

  94. Leedsgunner

    Wallace

    Good point about Manchester. Remember what De Gea’s bird said — “It’s as ugly as you can get… like looking at the back of the fridge.” 😉 That’s even before you start looking into the faces of actual Mancunians… 😉

  95. Nasri's Mouth

    @underrated coq

    To a degree, yes, that’s exactly one of the reasons why Coq is looking very good at the moment.

    That’s not knocking him, you could have put Matic in our side over the last 2-3 seasons and he’d have been fecked in some games.

    We generally keep a better formation, we press better, we track back better.

    We don’t look like we’re going to concede every time we win a corner and the opposition break on us

    I’ve always wanted us to sort out our defensive problems as a team as much as I’ve wanted us to bring in a world class ball playing CDM.

  96. Romford Ozil Pele

    Lol still laughing how Alexis didn’t even blink when given the choice between London and Liverpool.

  97. Ughelligunner

    leed, Midwest and N5. Thought willow said he was KJ when he returned again and not Rev as you guys suggest.

    Willow said it himself. Then when they both posted i only could tell the difference with Revs iphone typo and KJS jokes.

    But these guys are long time passionate gunners. Big up to them.

    Sorry if i am late to this or if somebody else has drawn your attention to it. But just wanted to correct you guys. I hope i am not wrong. Cheers

  98. MidwestGun

    Sal –
    Hahaha. Ya… we will see if Gazidas earned that best Ceo trophy. He needs to stop that Pep to Manc thing at all costs. Some sort of black ops operation. If your caught. … Nobody will recognize your existence.

  99. Ozy

    No way would Pep come here. He chose Bayern – he doesn’t want his reputation to dissipate. He doesn’t want a challenge. He wants to win.

    Also, I’m not sure how involved Pep’s been with transfers in both Bayern and Barcelona but there have been some horrible purchases.

  100. MidwestGun

    Ughelli –
    I know Kj posted here one day, also. But i think he would be more likely to just post under old name. And Kev has certain things he likes to repeatl Anyhow, either way I’m cool with it.

  101. Leedsgunner

    Maybe if Pep went up to Manchester he’ll do what Terry Venables did when he managed Leeds. He let an apartment during the week Tuesday to Saturday/Sunday (depending on when the game was) and then went down as quick as his little legs could carry him down to London on the train on the day after for a day or two then travel up again.

    When somebody asked him why he didn’t want to live in Leeds, he simply said “No comment.”

    I don’t know WHAT he might have been going on about there are some LOVELY places up here… 😉 Not that I’m biased on anything you understand.

  102. salparadisenyc

    Eagle

    🙂
    Soooo good.

    I’m not so sure Ozy, Pep will have kicked so much ass by 2017 he may fancy the rebuild. London, the budget, stadium, job security?

    The man moved to New York in his down year.

  103. Leedsgunner

    Wenger Eagle

    Correction: Pot noodles marinated in yesterday’s piss… that’s Manchester.

    If you want Liverpool it’s Pot noodles marinated in yesterday’s RAT’S piss. A subtle but important difference.

  104. underrated Coq

    NM

    Personally, I think the reason we look better recently is (a) Energy of Sanchez and Welbz and (b) tenacity and aggressiveness of Coq.

    The rest of the team is pretty much the same as of previous year.

  105. Nasri's Mouth

    @underrated coq

    No doubt having Alexis and Welbeck has made a difference, as has Cazorla too but it’s also about changing our style of play

    Again, that’s not knocking Coq, had we had Flamini in there we’d be struggling now, however well we defend as a side, but 1 player can’t do it on his own

  106. MidwestGun

    Personally, i think our turnaround has a lot to do with. Coq but also Santi sitting deeper allowing Ozil to play in forward spaces. Emergence of Monreal and Bellerin. And L’Oréal finishing his chances. We had Sanchez’s and Welbecks energy early in the season and it didn’t help much.

  107. Joe

    You are arguing over a 32 year player who is 2-4 years past his best.

    He shouldn’t see the bench of a team of Arsenal’s stature.

    This is the problem wenger has created. The bar is set so low we are arguing over Arteta. F**k Arteta.

    Go sign a proper DM. A world class DM(although I say coq has earned his chance) and let Arteta go play for Villa or some lowly Spanish team.

    Coq and another signing can battle it out. Arteta, remember, was our ‘DM’ against all the big teams last season when we got absolutely shit kicked. 2 years on and you still debating whether he has a spot on the team.

    Fuck a duck NO! And kick wenger out with him.

  108. gambon

    I would rephrase it to:

    The reason Coquelin looks good is that he has been given a limited role that plays to his strengths, much like Theo.

  109. gonsterous

    More than arteta.. I want to see the back of welbeck.. I dint watch the Newcastle game but against Monaco I dint see him challenge for a single air ball.. The lad is 6 foot something and can’t be bothered to attack an Ariel ball.. furthermore.. he’s first touch is crap, his second touch worse and the only finish he had that wasn’t a tap in was the one where the man u CB made an error with that back pass.. I was hoping for a striker upgrade not a utd reject !!!

  110. Nasri's Mouth

    @Midwestgun

    Like most things it’s a combination. Having Alexis in the side is a bonus, but he’s not going to convert us into an effective pressing side on his own, in fact, if you only have one player pressing, it probably makes things worse as he leaves space behind. We didn’t really get it sorted early on. He’d be waving the players forward, and they didn’t know whether to push up or stay still

    I still don’t think we’ve got it 100% right, but with Gabriel playing more games in stead of Per, we can play a higher game, which in turn makes a pressing game easier and more effective.

  111. Wallace

    “Personally, i think our turnaround has a lot to do with Coq but also Santi sitting deeper allowing Ozil to play in forward spaces. Emergence of Monreal and Bellerin. And L’Oréal finishing his chances.”

    plus, the return of Koscielny, and Ospina replacing Smokin’ Szcz

  112. Nasri's Mouth

    @Cesc Appeal

    I would imagine TalkSport would be interested 😉

    Both May and Hammond have their contracts up for renewal, so the timing could make things interesting

  113. Cesc Appeal

    NM

    James May already sort of hinted that he will go in that Sky interview, as has Hammond on Twitter.

    Sky will get them I think. BBC would be silly to try and set up some rival promotion if that does happen.