Arsene Wenger is terrible, terrible loser

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Away goal ruling

Away goal ruling

Yes, he is. He hates losing. When he loses he bitches and moans. He complains about a lot.

So?

He’s a professional sports manager. Shouldn’t he be a sore loser? He’s no worse than the rest of them. I mean, probably the only humble loser in the league is Pochettino… but we’ll see how long that lasts when he’s under real pressure for his job.

I don’t mind sour, it means there’s passion. In fact, I used to hate Thierry Henry’s ‘love me’ act when we were tanking in big games.

IN DOUBLE FACT. I sometimes wish our boys were a little bit more petulant. I think we lose out on many decisions because we’re sometimes a little too nice. Martin Keown wasn’t a humble loser. Who’d want that near the side? You want a team of people who detest losing. That’s what makes Champions. My issues is that Wenger pertains to be a hard loser… I mean, I’ve heard so many times from people at Arsenal… ‘Oh Arsene, yeah, he takes losing harder than any manager’… well, here’s the thing. If I keep losing at stuff, I’ll take a long hard look at why I keep losing, then change the approach.

Arsene doesn’t. He gets all upset, then convinces himself that actually, he’s right and the world is wrong. The undercurrent to his comments is that the game is wrong, not him. Which is a bit of a strange angle to go with. I don’t like the away goal rules, but it does keep it interesting. It gives teams an incentive to go hard in the first leg, which they didn’t before the rule came into play.

‘Two teams have gone out on away goals, which I think should be questioned because it’s a rule that is outdated now and that has to be changed. I’ve fought for that for a long time.’

Come with solution, brother Wenger.

‘It should count maybe after extra-time because this rule has been created in the 60s to encourage the teams to attack away from home. Since that football has changed. The weight of the away goal is too big today.’

‘In a direct knockout, it’s important that you’re very efficient and a bit lucky as well. None of the teams, apart from Barcelona, look to be superior in Europe today. Two other teams, Chelsea and Arsenal, could have gone through.’

Ok, ok.

Anyway, let’s not get on Wenger’s back for being a sore loser. Let’s get on his back about him not going hard to change his losing ways, particularly in Europe where he now has a 50% failure rate to get out of the last 16.

I read a few people defending City for going out against Barca. I find this amazing. It’s not quite as embarrassing as going out to the worst team in the competition, but it’s still shocking that a team with that much resource against it is still dropping out at the last 16. Those players are very, very capable and they’re not interested. It’s over for Pelligrini. He’ll be gone in the summer. Another dinosaur of a manager leaving the league.

The real danger of City is that they’ll actually land on a proper manager. I’d be scared if they brought in Simeone, Guardiola or Klopp. Managers that can build. Managers that would have absolute respect of the dressing room. Good job all three of those won’t be available until next year at the earliest.

There’s going to be loads of chat about the Premier League being weak. However, I think that sort of mindset is incredibly misguided. The Premier League is the strongest on the planet. Bayern would struggle to adapt to its intensity and so would Madrid and Barca.

Here’s the thing, there’s no excuse for Arsenal and Chelsea going out, but the reasoning isn’t that PSG and Monaco are better teams. They’re not. The challenge we have and will always have going forward is that we’re just too damn nice when it comes to distributing money. In La Liga, there are, what, maybe 8 games that are of any relevance a year?

Think about that. You’re mostly playing teams that have about 50pence to their name. It’s a cake walk most of the time. It’s pub teams. I watched Eibar the other day, they have a high street on one side of their stadium. It’d look poverty in the Conference. In the Premier League, there aren’t any easy games. Clubs are richer, they collectively have more quality players and they’re all very smart with their fitness and tech.

We also don’t have a break here. If you think 4-6 weeks off doesn’t impact you in March, you’re a sugartit (it’s a curse). So we have better players, we have more intensity on the pitch, we play more games and we don’t have breaks. I mean, we really don’t make it easy for ourselves, but we’ve (not Arsenal) still won the trophy numerous times over the last few years.

Madrid, Barca and Bayern dominate their leagues money wise and they have total ownership over players. 3 exceptional teams that cause detriment to the quality of the rest of the league. I’d prefer what we have.

Tonight, I have leaving drinks with my old work. I’ll not be about early tomorrow. Hopefully Alex can take over tomorrow.If he were a real friend and a committed writer, that’s what he’d do.

Also, we’ll be bringing a podcast to you next week. Why? Because sound is the new text. It’s going to be as compelling than Serial. So much Ozil bashing. Can’t wait.

HAPPY FRIDAY BITCHES x

 

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  1. Romford Ozil Pele

    Think Wenger is only playing Chambers RB to give Bellerin a breather every now and then. Easy to remember the lad is just 19. When Debuchy is back I only expect Calum to play CB. Nowhere else.

  2. Goondawg

    Cazorla had a poor game as well, dont remember much from him

    Ospina had some great saves that really saved our bacon.

    Coq had an amazing first half, tailed off considerably second half

    But lets not forget we had a physically and mentally taxing champions league game midweek.

    COYG

  3. gazzap

    I think you have to give NU credit for their 2nd half performance rather than say we were shit. OK we weren’t brilliant but NU were swarming all over us and were giving everything just to get the ball. Games in the PL are rarely easy.
    On another day we could have lost it but we won. defensive shape was pretty good I thought so I give them credit for that.

  4. Wallace

    Paulinho

    “Our team is shit. Anyone that thinks this team will kick on next season and challenge for the title is completely deluded.”

    another away victory after a really tough game(which we also won) in Monaco on tuesday…nice summation.

  5. underrated Coq

    Goondawg

    ” This match is a clear indication of Ozil’s influence on the team. Scrappy game, no fluidity. ”

    I was thinking the same. No Ozil and Arsenal lack any sort of creativity and control of the game.

    But ofcourse, his detractors will be blind to this.

  6. bishop

    Walcott can fuck off..We put ourselves in this position cos in as much as I like him.Hr got too much too early. If you check I don’t think he played half.of his 100k contract on the field but on the sidelines but now the idiot is here asking for 130k then pops his shoulder afterwards.

    As for Chambers..Trsut me he isn’t showing any promise both CB and RB.Hes too immobile and clumsy for his age..He should be playing on Adrenaline at this age and not like Squillacci.Southampton must have known that and be so happy for the fee.that was why we got him overnight without hassle.Clyne is the real one there.

  7. Cesc Appeal

    Would be really nice if Sanchez was substituted because he picked up a ‘strain’ or a ‘knock’ that unfortunately rules him out of the internationals.

    Come on Wenger, do a Fergie.

  8. useroz

    Never thought LVG is smart till watching more and more of Welbeck. Shit.

    Was Bellerin so tired after Monaco??

    Why wenger would want chambers look so embarassing by playing him there??

    Only positives are the 3 pts and Gabriel looks good. Put on another stone and u will be great; learn some English too.

  9. mysticleaves

    Underrated, I think if you remove your arsenal cloak, and also the fact that you are MASSIVELY overjoyed that we held on, unlike before (which should be classed as improvement IMO) you would see that this situation is not unique to Arsenal. It happens to so many other people.

    Sometimes you should also have the ability to hang on and get the win.

  10. Romford Ozil Pele

    CA, was thinking hoping that. But then I remembered Brazil are playing Chile in a friendly… At the Emirates!! He isn’t gonna wanna miss that. He’s also playing Copa America in the summer! He strikes me as the sort of person that doesn’t want a break anyway, but regardless, think we should look to give him a prolonged rest after that tournament.

  11. Bigper

    Didn’t see the game but just glad for the win, we aren’t gonna be the team we should be until major changes are made so right now all I care about is getting the win

    Giroud bar the first Monaco leg has been as good as anyone since his return from injury so fair play, he’s contributing in a very positive way now consistently

  12. Dissenter

    Romford,
    Chambers at CB is not a given that he will excel there.
    His age is a mitigating favor though but he’ll need proper defending. He needs a continental loan to Italy.

  13. Romford Ozil Pele

    Useroz, relax. It’s not every game you’re going to play well. Remember the bulk of these guys were on the feet after Monaco in midweek.

    Btw people talk about Alexis burnout but both Per and Santi have played more PL minutes than him this season.

  14. gunnergetyou

    To be fair Coquelin still looks to be struggling with that broken nose. I dont know why they dont just make him play with that protective mask till it’s fully recovered.

    It’s no wonder we have so many injury problems if we cant even manage a broken nose properly.

  15. underrated Coq

    ROP

    “Think Wenger is only playing Chambers RB to give Bellerin a breather every now and then. Easy to remember the lad is just 19. When Debuchy is back I only expect Calum to play CB. Nowhere else.”

    True but you gotta ask- Is Chambers any better than Jenkinson? Was it a good decision to loan off Jenko and bring in an even more inexperienced player for 16 millions?

    I think Chambers is better offensively but Jenkinson is the better defender.

    Bring back Jenko and keep Chambers as back up for the CD position I say.

  16. Cesc Appeal

    RP

    Yeah I know, Wenger needs to be strong with him though and start to rest him more. I personally wouldn’t have played him today, but then the way the second half went having Walcott on the field would have bee a disaster.

    I agree on Chambers, I think he will be a good CB…but we cannot have him at RB any more, he’s a disaster there and it’s one of those annoying things that the manager keeps doing that basically every single fan disagrees with and sees the obvious problems it causes us.

  17. Romford Ozil Pele

    Dissenter, of course, nothing is set in stone. But I was reading an interview with Southampton academy staff member Jason Dodd and he said he thinks that will be Chambers’ best position. Wenger backed up that recently too. Now it could obviously go so far wrong but people need to remember that young players have massive ups and downs. Inconsistencies are normal. He probably played too much in the first half of the season but with Gabriel here now, he can develop at his own pace. Staggering how people can be so judgemental about young players.

  18. peanuts&monkeys

    Welbeck was so piss poor today. When the team needed him to chase and win balls back, he plainly kept saving himself from taking on NUFC midfield. He is a coward. His heart doesn’t beat for Arsenal. Fuck you Welbeck!

  19. useroz

    Bishop – Wenget always try to pick ‘unknowns’ than the obvious to show off his genius IF it works out. Well, the Emirates has many exits so no problem there.

  20. Bamford13

    Mystic

    I’ve already made this argument many times, as have others here. Giroud is playing well — and yes, he has improved — but he remains too limited a striker to lead us to an EPL or CL title.

    He cannot beat defenders off the dribble, can’t create his own chances and can’t get in behind back fours. He wouldn’t start for a single team contending for either the CL or EPL this season.

    He has made strides, no doubt, but his limitations remain.

    And how did he do against Monaco, arguably the most important game of the season? He was gash, when it most mattered.

    Hats off to him for his improvement and for his goals. Still not good enough, though. Sorry.

  21. Dissenter

    There were many fundamental errors made in the Walcott contract.

    Who in their right senses gives a 22 year old England international a 3 year deal.
    That’s giving him too much leverage. The deal should have been at least 4 years.

  22. Romford Ozil Pele

    Underrated… Don’t rate Jenkinson at all personally. He’s developed well at W’Ham and that’s great to see but Arsenal is a different ball game. Jenkinson treats the ball like a hot potato when in possession. Chambers himself is still raw but I see much more potential in him personally, a lot classier on the ball. And since we’re an attacking side by nature, that’s the main thing. His defensive side, like Bellerin, will be improved with age and maturity.

  23. Romford Ozil Pele

    L’Oreal has 8 in 6 against Newcastle. 17 or 18 goals this season. Considering he’s missed three months, that’s hugely impressive. Not his biggest fan but you can’t begrudge him.

  24. Dissenter

    Bamford the great has spoken

    Shhhhhhh

    Everyone listen

    Oh wait, you’ve said that thousands of times already.
    Talk about timing, Giroud’s goals won us a difficult away game and you’re back to replaying your favorite lines.

  25. Wallace

    ROP

    “Staggering how people can be so judgemental about young players.”

    yeah, some on here were trashing Bellerin after the Monaco game. which must have been some kind of new low.

  26. Romford Ozil Pele

    Demba Ba is a good striker, seasoned pros have been given the run around by him. Surprised other PL clubs didn’t come in for him tbh. Besiktas only bought him for £4m. Chump change.

  27. underrated Coq

    mysticleaves

    “Sometimes you should also have the ability to hang on and get the win.”

    Oh I definitely agree but Arsenal just seem to completely go defensive whenever leading by the solitary goal these days.

    We struggle to even string a couple of passes together!

    That strategy is always risky. There needs to be a bit more controlled game IMO.

  28. Romford Ozil Pele

    “yeah, some on here were trashing Bellerin after the Monaco game. which must have been some kind of new low.”

    Really?!?! Blimey. But some Arsenal fans are not happy unless they’re moaning about something. Staggering, but each to their own and all that.

  29. salparadisenyc

    Water tight at the end there, lost all sembalence of the great shape we had in the first 45. Ramsay and Sanchez all over the place.

    Dodged bullet considering dropped points tomorow and Liverpool next week. Really needed the full tit today. Coq’s a beast like him or not the dude put it out there again today.

  30. gunnergetyou

    “No Ozil and Arsenal lack any sort of creativity and control of the game.

    But ofcourse, his detractors will be blind to this.”

    I dont agree with this. Ozil very rarely dominates these kind of tough away games, actually he usually goes missing when we’re under pressure. We had more than enough creativity in the 1st half. In the 2nd half just needed to show some steel and resilience and these are definitely not Ozil’s strengths.

  31. roaaary

    Most people on here calling for bellerin are the same who destroyed his performance at monaco.

    Okay we were shit second half, but atleast we had already got a lead. Newcastle away is a tough game not to be underestimated.

    Today wasnt a game for ozil. Right call there

  32. Bamford13

    Clearly Walcott is in the doghouse. He has publicly stated that Sanchez needs to rest, yet Walcott still can’t get even one minute.

    Given how Walcott has played when he has gotten time, I don’t blame Wenger. Except it would be wiseacre rest Sanchez.

  33. salparadisenyc

    Would liked to of seen Wenger adapt to the game a bit more, he’s sticks to the formula for better or worse. Frustrating.

  34. Romford Ozil Pele

    “I dont agree with this. Ozil very rarely dominates these kind of tough away games, actually he usually goes missing when we’re under pressure. We had more than enough creativity in the 1st half. In the 2nd half just needed to show some steel and resilience and these are definitely not Ozil’s strengths.”

    It’s not a case of dominating. It’s about knowing when to place your foot on the ball and take the pace out of the game. People like to talk a lot about showing desire to win the ball back once you’ve lost it… Here’s the thing, how about you don’t lose it in the first place? Too many of the players misplace simple passes. A lot of what Özil does is simple and easy but it helps to facilitate fluidity, keep things ticking over. Therein lies the talent. Too much emphasis on running about like a headless chicken in England. That’s why England are tripe.

  35. Wallace

    Bamford

    what’s your obsession with Giroud not being able to dribble? where does it say a good striker has to be able to dribble? he’s not a winger, he’s a target man. Marco van Basten was one of the all time greats, but you never saw him dribbling past players. it takes all kinds.

  36. Cesc Appeal

    We’ve got to get out of this trend though, as Romford says, of getting into a nice position away from home and then blowing it totally and piling pressure on ourselves.

    All well and good saying ‘great teams grind results,’ but at the same time you delve into your luck cards a lot with that strategy of getting ahead and then trying to coast, don’t want to play those cards too often or unnecessarily.

    Let’s be honest, this Newcastle side isn’t good and was missing a lot of players, virtually a whole back line I believe?

    Made them look that way in the first half as well. Need to stop this drop off we have, sloppiness, laziness creeps into our game.

    On the plus side I thought Giroud was excellent today, Coquelin and Gabriel in the first half were really great at nipping in with interceptions and putting us on the front foot…Ospina made a few good saves as well.

    Need to rotate, but we don’t have the squad/Wenger doesn’t trust the players he has.

  37. Romford Ozil Pele

    Two players we missed most today were Özil and Arteta. Know how to take the sting out of the game. Keep possession and wear the opposition out. Alexis’ 100mph nature doesn’t lend itself to that, Ramsey was in his ‘goal hunt’ mood and Giroud isn’t particularly helpful when Arsenal are under the cosh. Needed some progressive possession today. You could see why another playmaker is being sought.

  38. bishop

    Romford

    Have you been watching Jenkinson lately???I am not the type that writes off players quickly but then I hate clumsy looking players.
    Chambers looks like someone who will have the trait of Giroud..Some games he will be so good but when his flaws will show..you will hate him so bad.I hope he gets better with time but he needs to work so hard on been so easy to beat.Imagine how many times he gets dribbled like a kid in a game.I want toughness from him and not like a slut opening her pussy here and there.
    I really don’t care about Walcott cos he’s greedy and while he was out we got better players than him in his position.Wenger will sell him this time around cos he will never become a Ronaldo anywhere else but rather a Jesus Navas.

  39. Leedsgunner

    LOL. I didn’t watch the game but I understand Mesut did even play the game — and he’s getting criticism?

    I think RoP says it best…

    “It’s not a case of dominating. It’s about knowing when to place your foot on the ball and take the pace out of the game. People like to talk a lot about showing desire to win the ball back once you’ve lost it… Here’s the thing, how about you don’t lose it in the first place? Too many of the players misplace simple passes. A lot of what Özil does is simple and easy but it helps to facilitate fluidity, keep things ticking over. Therein lies the talent.”

    Glad we won. Now if Hull could EVERYONE (and themselves) a favour and pick up three points versus Chelsea tomorrow it would be much appreciated.

  40. N5

    I named a load of strikers that were considered greats that can’t dribble. Its handy but not fundamental.

    That really shouldn’t be a stick used to beat him with.

  41. Redtruth

    Not looking good for Arsenal as the tests are still to come.

    All well and good beating depleted West Ham and Newcastle sides but lets not kid ourselves we are far from the finished article.

  42. underrated Coq

    “I dont agree with this. Ozil very rarely dominates these kind of tough away games, actually he usually goes missing when we’re under pressure.”

    Ozil keeps the team ticking. We missed him today.

    Even in the first half, we weren’t at our silky best. No fluency. Then again, the taxing game at Monaco might have contributed to the leggy performance as well.

  43. Romford Ozil Pele

    Need to get the balance right. People yearned for power/pace/explosiveness. We have a lot of that now (bar in CM where it counts) but have lost our ability to control games. You always need at least two-ball retainers. Our 2010/11 side had Nasri, Cesc, Wilshere (before he was broken) and RVP.

  44. Romford Ozil Pele

    Bishop – mad how perception differs. I think Chambers is actually very good on the ball, much better than Jenks in that regard. Positionally he hasn’t mastered RB and because we’re now playing a high line, he looks suspect when that ball goes in behind. But there’s talent there IMO and it’s worth persevering with (Wenger will anyway). He played more league games than Clyne at RB last season. Must be for a reason.

  45. Bamford13

    Wallace

    I’m going to ignore that you just compared Giroud to Van Basten and claimed that the latter didn’t beat players off the dribble. MVB was a great dribbler, and the point is not that a striker needs to dribble three at a time, but a striker who can’t beat his defender off the dribble in order to create his own chances — something every first rate striker on the planet can do — is a limited one. This describes Giroud.

  46. John T.

    Played NOT to lose in the 2nd half. Ospina saved their collective ARSES. Today that strategy worked, most days it does not. Still don’t like Wenger’s tactics at all in any game.

  47. Dissenter

    Wallace,
    “Marco van Basten was one of the all time greats, but you never saw him dribbling past players. it takes all kinds.”

    Add to your list,mthe great Paolo Rossi.
    The best metrics to assess strikers has to involve goals scored, whether it is per game or per shot taken.
    Everything else is a reflection of biased keyboard warriors like we all.

  48. Goondawg

    Quick question

    In todays crazy market, how much would a Giroud cost?

    He already has the same amount of league goals as sanchez in half the game time.

    30mill? “25mill?

  49. gunnergetyou

    Leeds

    Nobody’s criticising Ozil. Just debating whether or not he’d be suited to todays game considering the situation we found ourselves in in the 2nd half.

    It was a backs to the wall job for me. The whole 2nd half with one goal in it, a tiring team and a crazy Geordie crowd baying for blood. Im just not sure it’s an ideal situation for him.

  50. mysticleaves

    “He cannot beat defenders off the dribble, can’t
    create his own chances and can’t get in behind back
    fours. He wouldn’t start for a single team
    contending for either the CL or EPL this season.”

    You see there in lies the problem. You list out the things he can’t do forgetting that no one does it all, bar Messi.

    Harry Kane: same skill set as Giroud, scoring a lot also.

    Sergio Aguero: great dribbler, can make his own chances, doesn’t take up great positions, doesn’t bring teammates into play, can be very selfish, scores a lot of goals anyway.

    Diego Costa: same skill set as Giroud, scores a lot of goals also.

    So you see, most strikers are not complete but insofar they score often, no problem.

  51. Nasri's Mouth

    Phew!

    We looked shattered for a fair bit of that game. I wouldn’t read too much into the way Newcastle came into the game, they were fresh, we were exhausted.

    That was a very good 3 points.

  52. mysticleaves

    “Oh I definitely agree but Arsenal just seem to
    completely go defensive whenever leading by the
    solitary goal these days.
    We struggle to even string a couple of passes
    together!
    That strategy is always risky. There needs to be a bit
    more controlled game IMO.”

    Spot on mate!

  53. Dissenter

    Amazing how Ozil always manages to return back to the conversation, even when he resting in his London home.

    The team dropped off in the second half due to fatigue. We played an emotional roller coaster 3 days ago.
    I’ve seen too many games when we hang on (in similar ways to today’s) with Ozil on the field to give the usual Ozillites any credence.

    If Ozil were on the field, he would grabbed the goal keeper’s jersey and saved the goal that Ospina let in.

  54. Romford Ozil Pele

    Goondawg, factor in his age… Probably £20m. He’s definitely improved, been very efficient this season, especially considering the time he’s been out. That said, and as harsh as it sounds, he still isn’t top class.

  55. Leedsgunner

    underrated @1714

    I agree with you. I never thought I would say this but I think West Ham have help us uncover a tidy player in Jenks. He has taken his chance at West Ham to prove himself and kudos to him — maybe we’ll call this Le Coquelin effect… 😉

    Debuchy isn’t going to become younger anytime soon and I can see Jenks and Bellerin fighting for the RB spot (actual competition) whilst we have Debuchy and Chambers act as reserve CBs. Sadly the person that misses out is Mert. As I said yesterday although I like him, I think we would do well to sell him now and use the transfer funds received to plough into a WC DM.

  56. gunnergetyou

    “Even in the first half, we weren’t at our silky best.”

    First half I think we were ok. To be fair if Welbeck had a bit more composure and technique I reckon it would’ve been 4 or 5.

  57. Dissenter

    It’s been amazing how easy it’s been for Ospina to knock Sczezny off the starting spot
    Can you imagine if we had a proper goal keeper to challenge Sczezny. He’ll probably have had to take his head out of his ar*e and compete. He won’t be as slack-luster as he was at the start of the season.

  58. salparadisenyc

    I’m certainly not Giroud’s biggest proponent, in fact I’ll likely say sell him before this season’s over. Just not my type of striker.

    But…. he certainly effective. Keeps scoring in the critical moments. Punching above his weight considering cost. In the end it’s not his fault Wenger brought him in on the heels of Van Persie’s premiere league player of the season.

    Getting better and gives us the plan B option we have lacked in the past. I’d just love for us to have a plan A, Welbeck may never be that as much as I like his style. He was pretty poor today.

    Agree we missed the ball retention skills of Ozil, pleased he got a rest. MOTM: Ospina.. says it all about the second 45.

  59. Arsene's Nurse

    We were very lucky not to lose today after being in command in the first half. Ospina made a reaction save and ref didn’t give a stonewall penalty in the second half.

    Considering we had two very good chances to score but fucked them up I think Newcastle deserved a point.

  60. Leedsgunner

    gunnergetyou

    Fair enough mate — you maybe right in saying today’s game was the not the best suited for Özil. 😉 I for one am pleased he got a rest. 😉 I suspect Sanchez needs a rest soon or we’re facing him turning into a crock like a the others…

    Did Walcott play today when Newcastle’s defenders tired? If not I wonder if this is the club playing hardball with him… shame Walcott is sitting on the bench whilst Sanchez is getting burnt to the ground.

    How far is Gnabry from returning to the first team anyone know?

  61. mysticleaves

    Oh and Bamford

    Debuchy doesn’t give many assists, sell him!
    Ospina doesn’t gave many key passes.
    Coquelin doesn’t score many goals
    Mertesacker doesn’t dribble much
    Ozil doesn’t defend (popular opinion, haha)
    Sanchez doesn’t keep offsides

    See what I did there? All are bollocks! Just like the stick u use to beat all our players.

    And I have a very important question for you, Why is it that you attack only Arsenal players that are performing really well?

  62. Romford Ozil Pele

    Gnabry is back in training as far as I’m aware. How long until he gets minutes again is anyone’s guess. Mystery knee injury has kept him out for a year. Mad.

  63. MadeToLoveMagic

    Gabriel looks like he’s been dug up from some ancient and cursed Mayan grave site

    exactly what you want from a defender if you ask me

    Merte looks like he would make you a nice cup of tea and ask about how your weeks been

  64. Cesc Appeal

    MTLM

    I didn’t say anything about losses did I?

    Newcastle, QPR, Palace as examples, games we were cruising and then decided to lump pressure on ourselves. Why justify it with the result? We should aim to stop it from happening in the first place. Really poor.

  65. Nasri's Mouth

    Leedsgunner: Did Walcott play today when Newcastle’s defenders tired?

    He didn’t, but not his game at all, we needed to try to keep possession, he wouldn’t have helped at all

  66. Cesc Appeal

    RP

    I think there’s more to it with Gnabry, lots of rumours about a certain habit he needed to kick last year.

  67. Wallace

    Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger on whether he was concerned by difference between the first and second half displays from his side:

    “No, not at all. We played one game in Manchester United, one at home to West Ham, one in Monaco in Tuesday and now here so that’s three away games in two weeks. I’m proud of the performance we put in today.”

  68. Emiratesstroller

    Bamford 10

    You have misread what I wrote.

    I said that there is very little improvement needed to CREATIVE and OFFENSIVE positions in the squad. I did not discuss the defensive side of squad/team.

    You have included a ST. At the moment I am perfectly happy with our striker
    options in Giroud and Welbeck, but if you read what I wrote I made a case for
    Lacazette or Dybala and suggested that they can play on left wing as well as
    playing striker.

    Both players are left footed and bluntly offer much more than Walcott. The fact that Walcott did not play today despite absence of Ozil and Ox and did not
    even come off bench tells you everything about his current standing in the club.

    Walcott has now a simple choice. Either he signs a new contract sooner rather than later or he should be offloaded in Summer. I hope that Arsenal do not tolerate how he behaved during last contract negotiations.

    Frankly the club should be bigger than the player.

  69. Romford Ozil Pele

    Lol CA, yeah I heard about those rumours. It makes you think because Gnabry was playing last season then all of a sudden disappeared from the first team set-up altogether and Wenger has barely mentioned him. Who knows though, would’ve been a nice to have on the bench atm though. Has a lot of qualities Ox possesses. Actually surprised Akpom hasn’t been on the bench last two games. With Newcastle throwing bodies forward, would’ve been a nice counter option say final 10

  70. london gunner

    Wait did someone compare Costa’s dribbling skills to Giroud’s lol

    Costa is actually a pretty decent dribbler and has pace ok he is no Olympic runner, but he is effective on the counter and is faster than most defenders unlike Giroud.

    Not trying to beat Giroud with a stick, but don’t compare him to Costa.

  71. Bamford10

    Mystic

    Not sure what do with your list of meaningless non sequiturs. None of those is analogous to my criticism of Giroud.

    And I’ve never advocated selling Giroud; I see him as a solid #2.

    (Salparadise, however, recommends selling him. See above. Please take that opinion up with HIM.)

    As for why I criticize the players I criticize, I criticize players who people OVERRATE — players who are playing well but who are not good enough for an EPL or CL-winning first XI. I want Arsenal to be the best team in England and ultimately the best team in the world: for that, we need better than Giroud.

  72. Wallace

    8 games left – 5 at home, 3 away. Burnley and Hull two of the away games….we really shouldn’t be finishing any lower than 3rd.

  73. Leedsgunner

    “Walcott has now a simple choice. Either he signs a new contract sooner rather than later or he should be offloaded in Summer. I hope that Arsenal do not tolerate how he behaved during last contract negotiations.Frankly the club should be bigger than the player.”

    Agree with this.

    Walcott was a key player for the club last time his contract was negotiated — and frankly speaking he was playing out of his skin. Now whoever is advising him is silly if he is saying to him to ask for a contract which has higher wages especially considering his standing in the club is very much diminished.

    Sanchez, Ox and Welbeck are all ahead of him now.

  74. Cesc Appeal

    RP

    Yeah a lot of mystery attached to Gnabry’s absence for sure.

    What do you think on Walcott? Seems massively out of favour right now. I think he may be out in the summer and Wenger will look for a left sided play maker to aid with ball retention and chance creation.

    Or we could just take a swipe at grabbing Bale 😉

  75. Bamford10

    Emirates

    Understood. We just disagree re CF: I think we need better than either Giroud or Welbeck. I respect your opinion, though. Cheers.

  76. Wallace

    ROP

    “Actually surprised Akpom hasn’t been on the bench last two games.”

    yeah, me too. i’m sure Welbeck will improve, but if he doesn’t i think Akpom will have his place next year.

  77. N5

    Agreed London, he also plays well with his back to goal which I think I read was contested somewhere back in the comments.

  78. Romford Ozil Pele

    CA- me, I’ve never been big on Theo so won’t lose any sleep if he’s sold. Much prefer the more rounded abilities of others, even if they don’t have that same goal threat. Theo doesn’t have the power like last time. There are options now. His pace has always meant he was a bit of a gold charm. I think if Wenger goes, he may dip in for a wide playmaker. Reus is the dream but there are other good options in the market – Fekir, Draxler, Firmino to name a few. Tbh I’m happy if he stays but that’s a squad player on 100k pw. If he’s asking for 150kpw, he can go to Liverpool for all I care.

  79. Cesc Appeal

    Giroud’s hold up play today was excellent, seemed to be able to hold onto it for an eternity and relieve pressure whilst a Newcastle defender was all over him.

    Had Ramsey not got in the way a couple of times Giroud could have ended the first half with 3-4 goals…not an exaggeration either.

  80. Wallace

    Bamford

    “As for why I criticize the players I criticize, I criticize players who people OVERRATE — players who are playing well but who are not good enough for an EPL or CL-winning first XI.”

    this season only Aguero scores more frequently than Giroud. might well be the case we underrate him.

  81. Romford Ozil Pele

    Wallace – would’ve been an interesting curve ball to chuck on against Monaco. He’s a striker but can play wide forward too. I love Welbz but Dream called it a while back when he said Welbz doesn’t seem to shoot cleanly, Akpom doesn’t have that problem.

    RE next season, think Akpom goes on loan, and rightly so. He needs games and won’t really get that here. At the moment he barely plays as it is, just training.

  82. Emiratesstroller

    Bamford 10

    We keep on discussing Giroud’s limitations.

    However, I read yesterday that Giroud has the best goal scoring to playing time ratio in EPL. Only Messi, Ronaldo, Lacazette and Meier [Eintracht] have better statistics.

    As I said at the moment I am perfectly happy having Giroud in our team. He offers very good value for money and until someone comes up with a significantly better striker at a price we can afford this is not a position in starting X1
    we need to change.

  83. mysticleaves

    “Not sure what do with your list of meaningless non
    sequiturs.”

    Actually that’s what I wanted to achieve. I wanted you to see it as nonsense cos that’s how most people see what you write.

    “(Salparadise, however, recommends selling him.
    See above. Please take that opinion up with HIM.)”

    When someone says Giroud is not my type of striker, its not an argument, its an opinion. When someone says Giroud is not good enough, its an argument, albeit silly esp considering how he’s doing now.

  84. Romford Ozil Pele

    Wish Ramsey would curb his desire to score every game. He needs to remember he’s a CM. Not everyday you need to be Superman, some days just be Graham Kavanagh

  85. underrated Coq

    I normally try to defend any criticism aimed at Theo. But if its true that he’s looking for another massive pay-rise, then Arsenal are better off selling him.

    Arsenal did reward him with a pay-rise last time around and in the three year contract he subsequently signed, he was injured for more than a year–that’s almost half his contract period ! Now he wants another rise?

    For someone who has been at the club since the age of 16, you would expect better. Where’s your loyalty to the club Theo ?

  86. Cesc Appeal

    RP

    I agree.

    I’ve never been one for Walcott. All for upgrading in the summer and arriving next season with a really fearsome attacking midfield. As much as I like Oxlade, he’s a bit hit and miss and a bit of a sick note.

    Yeah as you say, not sure Walcott will represent value for money any more, reliant on his pace and he’s now 26 off the back of a bad ACL – this is his last big contract so let him go off elsewhere I say.

  87. Bamford10

    Mystic

    Was he good enough against Monaco? No, he was dreadful.

    Is he good enough for a title-winning starting XI? You think so; I don’t. He certainly wouldn’t start over Costa or Aguero, nor would he start for any of the top sides in the world (Barca, Madrid, Bayern, Atletico, PSG, Juventus).

    But tell me, if we don’t need to improve at CF to win the title next year, where exactly do we need to improve? I’m curious. Or do we already have a title-winning XI? Pray tell.

  88. Romford Ozil Pele

    CA, feel you may get your wish. Wenger loves his attacking players and I’ve heard he wants a Pires/Nasri type to play on the left so Alexis moves to the right. I’ve been scouring to see the best available. Ox will still get his fair share of games.

    Mad that Theo is now 26. Keown was saying the other day that he’s been at Arsenal 10 years and still has question marks over his head. I think Wenger likes him but sees him as expendable, hence the amount of bench time Theo has seen.

  89. Goondawg

    Girouds goal rate has improved year in year out. He has now matched his goal tally of 17 goals from first season, in 21 less games

    Lets not forget his goals previous season and his link up play with Ramsey were the reason why we were top for 290 days until Wenger burned him to the ground with fatigue

  90. Cesc Appeal

    N5

    Yeah, was excellent today. A player high on confidence right now and it shows.

    Gabriel looked good, though the cluster fuck that was the second half made it hard to judge him properly as it was farcical, panic station stuff for most of the second half.

    I thought the way he, Kozz and Coquelin play, in terms of nipping in and stealing balls meant we were able to play on the front front a lot. But Coquelin really went to pot for the majority of the second second half. Shame, because in the first half he was excellent I thought.

  91. Cesc Appeal

    RP

    I posted that exact same Keown thing last week. Sums it up perfectly I thought.

    I do think a good dribbler/playmaker on the left will help balance us a bit more in terms of retaining possession and chance creation. Means we’d have varying options in our attacking middle and the opposition won’t really be able to settle.

    Would also mean for tougher games we could go 4-3-3, drop Ozil or the CAM say, add a Coquelin type to our middle and not totally lose our play making ability.

  92. mysticleaves

    “Wait did someone compare Costa’s dribbling skills to
    Giroud’s lol
    Costa is actually a pretty decent dribbler and has
    pace ok he is no Olympic runner, but he is effective
    on the counter and is faster than most defenders
    unlike Giroud.
    Not trying to beat Giroud with a stick, but don’t
    compare him to Costa.”

    London, when 2 people have the same skillset, one could be better than the other but still have same skillset.

    Costa doesn’t rely on his dribbles, so doesn’t Giroud.

    And “they have the same skillset” is different from saying “Giroud is better than Costa” that’s comparism there I think.

    And if you really wanted to compare them, you could!

  93. Romford Ozil Pele

    CA – yeah it makes sense. Generally speaking we’re scoring at a better rate than last season when we were top. But at the same time we can look suspect defensively. Which is why a playmaker makes sense because by having another retainer, you reduce the chances of being hit on the counter. Will be interesting to see who we go for. These types always get get Wenger horny lol! It’s all about variation now.

  94. london gunner

    mystic

    But I disagree with you completely.

    Giroud has a skillset that Costa has, but Costa has skillsets that Giroud doesn’t .

    A fair portion of Costa’s goals have resulted from him fashioning space to shoot by dribbling with the ball. Giroud doesn’t and can’t do this.

    Costa has scored a fair portion of goals from through balls, Giroud can’t do this because he doesn’t have the pace to get onto them.

    Basically Costa has a lot lot more to his game and is the far more well rounded striker.

    Silly to compare them just because there big tall guys who both play as striker.

  95. Bigper

    With girouds current form and the current state of the premier league I’d say we could win the league with giroud upfront along with our other attacking players. We don’t really struggle to score

    Imo whilst we can certainly upgrade certain positions, especially for Europe, our main problem isn’t personnel but lack of preparation, tactics, defined roles for players, concentration, fitness, professionalsm at all times etc.. If we sorted this out our consistency would improve a lot

  96. nasri's mouth

    Coq had a game of two halves. Was really good in the first half, but poor in the 2nd.

    Maybe today was a bit like the Southampton game at Xmas where the legs had gone.

    Luckily 3 things were in our favour, we had Giroud (who we’d all be in love with had we signed him in the summer), Szczesny wasn’t around to make some howlers and Newcastle werent at it first half

  97. Cesc Appeal

    RP

    Yeah I agree, Wenger loves a play maker, I just hope it’s no one weird, or cheap or something.

    Shouldn’t be, as you say he values his play makers…I certainly hope he doesn’t consider you know who as an internal solution for a wide play maker. I actually just made myself feel a little sick, because I can see it.

  98. Redtruth

    Wenger is not going to shift Walcott for much money if he’s keeping him on the bench.

    Which means either two things he’s not for sale or the more likely case Wenger’s cutting off his nose to spite his face.

  99. nasri's mouth

    Thinking of the way Newcastle didn’t turn up in the first half but were totally switched on 2nd half I wonder why Carver didn’t get them fired up pre match.

  100. Romford Ozil Pele

    Giroud will always be a divisive figure because we as Arsenal fans have been spoilt with the strikers we’ve had over the years. Personally he’s never been one for me as I do like my strikers to have pace. The first time I saw Anelka my jaw literally dropped… Then Henry… Even people like Kanu were very very good. So yeah, the frustration with Giroud is there, however, nobody can deny his efficiency this term. Like Goondawg says, he’s already equalled his tally for his first season here, that’s despite missing three months of the season. And he’s only 5 short of last season’s total, so assuming he keeps up his current scoring rate, he’s on for his most prolific season ever, and that’s with all the game time he’s missed.

    I think Wenger goes for him because our team is of a small nature. We have a lot of tiny players so tries to counter that by having someone bigger up top who they can play from, bounce passes off. And L’Oreal is very good in that aspect. His combination play is probably his greatest strength. And he’s very helpful in either box when it comes to set-pieces. Just seen we’ve scored 18 goals from set-pieces this season, the most in the league. And considering I think our set-pieces are dire 75% of the time, it says something.

    If we had bigger midfielders like Southampton do, I think Wenger would be tempted to go with a smaller striker, maybe try Alexis there more often. And it’s for that reason I don’t think we’ll buy a Dybala/Vietto type though I could be wrong. He’s never gonna be everyone cup of tea but he’s good for the dynamic currently. And he’s scored against City, Liverpool and United this season so fair play.

  101. nasri's mouth

    @Londongunner

    Costa is a defender’s nightmare because he has excellent movement, never gives them a seconds rest and has good accuracy. He’s a different player to Giroud though because he doesn’t want a ball lumped up to him, he needs through balls played for his runs.

    Which one is better? Probably Costa, but on this seasons performance their form is pretty much the same

  102. mysticleaves

    “Was he good enough against Monaco? No, he was
    dreadful.
    Is he good enough for a title-winning starting XI?
    You think so; I don’t. He certainly wouldn’t start over
    Costa or Aguero, nor would he start for any of the
    top sides in the world (Barca, Madrid, Bayern,
    Atletico, PSG, Juventus).”

    You mentioned the Monaco game (ist leg) and who flopped, fair enough. You also mention Costa and Aguero and asks if he can replace them. So from here you flawed your rating metric cos Costa and Aguero flopped against PSG and Barca respectively. And yet that doesn’t make them any worse in your eyes.
    Why then, should giroud flopping in a match be used to flog him?

    FYI: Giroud score 1goal in 2 UCL matches, Costa scored 0 in 8! Make of that what u wish Bamford.

    A certain drogba is revered as a PL legend. He wasn’t skillful and was as bad as Giroud was in his first 2 seasons, started being influencial in his 3rd season, again, same as Giroud.

  103. Romford Ozil Pele

    “Imo whilst we can certainly upgrade certain positions, especially for Europe, our main problem isn’t personnel but lack of preparation, tactics, defined roles for players, concentration, fitness, professionalsm at all times etc.. If we sorted this out our consistency would improve a lot”

    Agreed

  104. Romford Ozil Pele

    CA, yeah I think if AW finds the right person, he’ll go big. It better not be you know who! Tbh I keep forgetting about him because he’s permanently crocked. He’s gonna be here next season so the only way I hope he’s used is as a squad player rotating with Ramsey. None of this at no.10, wide playmaker nonsense.

  105. Cesc Appeal

    RP

    Fingers crossed.

    Just a few players away from having a great side here, though, how long have we said that?

  106. Romford Ozil Pele

    Drogba wasn’t skillful?! Steady. Dude scored some outrageous goals. For starters, he could take a mean free kick. I remember that goal he scored against Liverpool where he turned Carragher on a six pence. Also that ridiculous 90minute volley against Everton from like 40 yards. To paint Drogba as just a battering ram is wrong. Biggest compliment I could pay the dude is that he was always there for the big occasions. Look at his goal record against every big club. Insane

  107. Romford Ozil Pele

    CA, le sigh. Sure we’ll be moaning about something come the end of the summer. And injuries, always the injuries!

  108. Romford Ozil Pele

    NM, sure he wasn’t perfect. But overall 100 PL goals. Countless winners in domestic cup finals and won those rent boys the big one (vom). Very hard to deny him legend status.

  109. mysticleaves

    Everton, Monaco, Man Utd, Newcastle( I think): Giroud scored through through balls. That he doesn’t score off them doesn’t mean he can’t score them either.

    Also against Westham and Man City (CS) he dribbled and “fashioned” space to score..so he definitely can do it but Costa does it more! Again what am saying.

    Costa is by no means an upgrade, ATM, to Giroud cos they have almost identically scored this term.

  110. Bamford10

    OK, Mystic, I don’t agree with you re Giroud, but you never answered me: if we don’t need to improve at CF to win the title, where DO we need to improve?

  111. N5

    Bamford you really shouldn’t keep using Monaco to define Giroud, it was most probably his worst ever match and far from the reality of an average performance.

  112. Bamford10

    N5

    Well, but Monaco was arguably the most important match of the year, the kind of match that determines whether a player is truly good enough. Yes, he has been good in many of our other matches, but certain games matter more than others, certain moments matter more than others.

    The best players play well in those moments; Giroud did not. He SHOULD be judged negatively for that.

  113. karim

    Lyon bottled it but 5 starters were out including Lacazette and Gourcuff & Gonalons got injured quite early.
    Not to mention Nice had their best game of the season moment and their goal ( reverse bicycle by Carlos Eduardo ) was a beauty.
    Bloody ref created a late pen and there you go…
    6th pen provoked by Fekir this season though.
    Nightmare game, really, but OM/PSG next week may shake up things again.

    Shame I missed the rugby, well done England !

    Is the Clasico tonight ?

  114. N5

    Bamford, I agree we can judge a single performance but as exactly that, a single performance. Giroud has scored some pretty important goals to hasn’t he?