Glorious Arsenal failure. Is it acceptable this time?

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First day at a new job today (Big up McDonalds Walthamstow!). So this is going to be quicker than a Phil Bardsley living room knock out blow. It’s been penned on a mobile.

Last night. What can you say other than a predictable taste of glorious Failure.

‘I’m proud of the lads. Proud of the club’
‘So close. It was the third goal. Maybe next year’
‘Reckon we’re one player short from winning the lot’

Look, here are the cold hard facts. In 18 attempts, we’ve failed to creep past the last sixteen a huge 9 times which is 50% of the time (yeah, maths baby!). We’ve made one final. Appeared in two semi finals. Qualification 18 times is great but never winning it and rarely qualifying past the dross round tells you all you need to know about Arsene and elite level football. He doesn’t cut it.

Tactically, we weren’t naive, we were arrogant. Jardim said as much post game when he claimed Arsenal lacked respect for an ‘easy’ Monaco side. We’ve managed to shift the mindset in big games tactically, but we still believe expression and trust will pull us through games against weaker teams. Last night, Wenger nailed the line up, he nailed his subs, his players had the right mindset and we delivered a very good result.

Where was that focus in the first leg? What were the players thinking when Chambo gave us late hope? Where were the captains? Where was the collective experience of a squad with a median age of 26?

We need to be smarter. The manager needs to invest the same energy into every game. There needs to be an intensity of thought that runs through every preparation session leading up to a game big or small. The Champions League doesn’t allow you to be lax. There’s too much money involved. Too many good players. Too many smart up and coming managers. You can’t get away with arrogance. If you do, you’ll get killed.

Arsenal have progressed as a team this season. Players like Giroud, Coq and Monreal have moved up a level. Ozil, Cazorla and Sanchez have given us an exciting world class edge we’ve lacked. Our major fall down is preparation, an area we’ve improved on, but an area we’ve yet to see a full transition in.

Now this is the bit that gets you and keeps you hanging on for next seasons episode. Have we seen enough change this year maybe suggest times really are changing? Did arsenal show enough last money to show that with the right focus, we can mix it with the best? Has Arsene’s slow but clever squad rebuilding process convinced you things could be on the precipice of greatness?

… and that’s it. It’s the hope that kills you. The love that keeps you coming back. The excitement dreaming that makes you a supporter of Arsenal.

I’ve bought into the glorious failure. I’m proud of last night. I loved every minute. That’s because I’m a football lover at heart. If I put my performance review hat on, I’d say that the only way we’ll progress to where we want to be is when we make a painful change to a manager of this time.

Glorious failure is a tag that has a danger of sticking if we don’t start learning from our consistent failings. The only way we lose it is if we fail harder or the manager undertakes some serious soul searching.

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  1. Dan Ahern

    Lol great contributions lads.


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  2. gazzap

    De Boer said: ‘The way Arsenal played against Monaco is the way we would like to play as well. High pressure, get the ball back very quickly. I really love the way Arsenal play. When I look at their goals, it sometimes looks like futsal. Passing, moving and always at a high tempo.’

    I love Frank De Boer. He should be next Arsenal manager, no question for me.

  3. Dan Ahern

    Wouldn’t mind a substitute at LB, actually. “Handjob” is a pretty suspicious name. I mean so are the centre backs, but Jablowmey could conceivably occur naturally. Doubt there’s ever been anybody on earth named “Handjob” (and that’s a massive shame).

  4. BacaryisGod

    The cynic in me thinks going out at this stage isn’t the worst thing that can happen. To get by Bayern, Real and Barca we would need at a minimum a world-class keeper, a fresh Alexis (he’s clearly exhausted) and perhaps a blisteringly fast natural CF to provide an option for Giroud.

    At least now we can lick our wounds and push for a repeat F.A Cup win which will be a significant achievement and possibly our best Premier League position for 10 years. With the TV deal boosting revenues further, adding the missing pieces to this season’s better performing players might just push us into the elite bracket.

  5. Cesc Appeal

    Why don’t we sell Walcott in the summer and use the money to get this Messi fellow everyone is always banging on about?

  6. Cesc Appeal


    He is very short to be honest. Plus, that’s Jack Wilshere’s number he wants, and I remember when Wilshere dominated the team Messi plays for so… 😉

  7. Wallace

    Dortmund struggling for fluency against a strong, compact Juventus. Tevez with the only goal, but Pogba off injured.

  8. Nasri's Mouth

    Pellegrini is going to have to work very hard to be ManC’s manager next season.

    And I’m not convinced that it’s a great job to get

  9. Nasri's Mouth


    Funny you should say that, I’ve been spending the last 12 months making sure I’m not.

    Tax laws are really fecking annoying

  10. Dream10

    Messi’s first half performance is not among his top five this season.
    You can’t compare him to others.

  11. Dream10

    Tevez will be back in the Premier League in the next two years. Worth it for us to give him to give him a three year deal.

  12. london gunner


    I would love that, but for some bizarre reason he is retiring. It’s obvious his fitness levels have not dropped of so I don’t get it.

    He literally has every kind of ability dribbling, pace, first touch, strength, technical ability, intelligence, movement, stamina, work rate, aggression, free kicks, clinical and a powerful shot. He might not be the best in the world at either ability, but he is extremely high level all rounder.

  13. Dream10


    He’ll have a rethink when West Ham offer him over 100k per week! He’s got a durable body and can play for a few more years at his current level

  14. bennydevito

    Bacary is god,

    I would be inclined to agree with you but I don’t trust Wenger to sign the right players.

  15. london gunner

    Juventus have outclasses Dortmund in every area. Above that the differing maturity between the two teams is stark.

    Juventus look drilled to a military standard yet at the same time have technical excellence and fluidity written all over them its style meets function. I love the way they play a great passing game, but there counter attacking play is just pure lethality. I don’t think they are even a particular pacey team (could be wrong) so the fact they are so potent on the counter just goes to show the movement/intelligence of the players.


  16. Nasri's Mouth

    Love the fact that SKY have managed to get West Life to do the punditry, though the one on the right hasn’t aged well

  17. mysticleaves

    Juventus pulling a Dortmund on Dortmund. Lol. So much for Klopp.

    This goes to show that if the opposing team sets up well, you can’t go past them.

  18. mysticleaves

    “Joe Hart was head and shoulders above every one on the
    pitch tonight including Messi”

    Lol. Literally.

  19. Dark Hei

    Fair comments Pedro, but I am sticking with this Arsenal side, though a lot depends on how our season pans out.

    I called for Wenger’s head (finally), middle of the season, but it seems that performance wise, we seemed to have turned up a notch. The fluidity is coming back after 3 seasons of grinding out wins.

    The win results are nice. But more importantly, it is the performances that has been encouraging. In the long run, Wenger needs the team to play Wengerball, not grind out wins to make 4th place trophy.

  20. igbo Amadi-Obi

    Interesting that Pedro would say Arsene got the subs right. I thought that replacing Monreal with Gibbs was rather conservative when we should have been going for broke. If Nacho was tired, why not sub him with an attacking player rather than a less effective but equally forward going defender. With ten minutes left and needing one more goal desperately and seeing that Monaco had absolutely no intentions to be adventurous, I know a lot of Managers who would decide that you have nothing to lose, and play only 3 defenders.

  21. Moray

    If my memory serves me correctly, didn’t Wenger arrive at Arsenal already with a reputation as being a perennial runner up?

    It pains me every day that even our fantastic invincibles team couldn’t win the Champions League due to falling short on the night.

  22. MidwestGun

    This was our bench-
    Szczesny, Gibbs, Gabriel, Chambers, Ramsey, Flamini, Walcott
    Walcott and Ramsey were subbed on already. Therein you can probably see the issue.

  23. GuNZ

    ‘O Captain! My Captain! our fearful trip is done;
    The ship has weather’d every rack, the prize we sought is won;
    The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting,
    While follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and daring:
    But O heart! heart! heart! O the bleeding drops of red, Where on the deck my Captain lies, Fallen cold and dead.’

    It is time, Arsène . . . . . . .

  24. GuNZ

    ‘O Captain! My Captain! rise up and hear the bells;
    Rise up—for you the flag is flung—for you the bugle trills;
    For you bouquets and ribbon’d wreaths—for you the shores a-crowding;
    For you they call, the swaying mass, their eager faces turning;’

    You see, Arsène, you can make it so. Go now. Go with dignity. Do not become the Gary Glitter of the footballing world.

  25. GuNZ

    AFC website: Per – We showed how good we can be

    And very nice it was too, Per, but bit fucking late don’t you think? Bit like pulling your cock out on the vinegar stroke on the second time round with a bird who’s not on the pill and into whom you’ve already poured your next generation and saying: ‘There, told you I could do it.’

    Never mind. You fucked that one up. Show us how good you can be on Saturday instead, eh?


  26. GuNZ

    Oh, and Per, while you’re about it, how about a little thank you to the fans who travelled to Monaco and gave you such brilliant support even though you didn’t deserve it after that abysmal first leg? How about an apology for only coming good half way through a two-leg tie and then still not being able to cross the line? Finding a silver lining by saying it’s a confidence-maintainer is a real ‘losing a shilling and finding sixpence’ attitude. I expected better from you, Per. Bit more honesty, bit more: ‘I really apologise to our fans that we couldn’t play like that over two legs, we will really try to be more consistent in the future for your sakes.’ That would’ve done for me, Per, a little humility. There’s no point expecting anything sane from Wenger in his post-match drivel nowadays but I’ve never really got on your back even though you’re a bit of a donkey at times and I really expected something a bit better from you.

  27. GuNZ

    I note there’s a fixture break after the Newcastle game. Internationals? Yes? Well that’s our injury list doubled then. And we’ve got the early kick off on the Saturday following the Tuesday international. Hopefully Liverpool’s international stars will get as nobbled as ours.

  28. GuNZ

    May as well make it seven posts on the trot just for luck. I rate Özil (except when he tries too much like he did against Monaco at times but I think that was frustration creeping in), I rate Theo and would advise keeping him because given a good physio department at another club and two months on the pie, Guinness, and vindaloo diet, he could destroy our backs playing for another team – we may as well take advantage of that. I rate Coq and Monreal and Santi (and not because he once smiled upon me on Hampstead Heath) and others. I don’t rate Giroud but that’s not because of him, it’s because I don’t think Arsenal should ever have employed a Giroud in such an important position.

    I love my Arsenal. I just want them to be the best.

  29. Frank Mc

    Well I don’t think they’ll ever be the best with the current manager at the helm. Underestimating teams is fucking embarrassing…..

  30. Wallace


    Theo aint skinny. looks almost double the size he was when we signed him.

    i know he’s still finding his way back to top form, and he was far from perfect last night, but i really liked the look of Gundogan sat in front of the back 4 spraying passes around for Dortmund last night. could be a quality replacement for Arteta.

  31. tunnygriffboy


    Didn’t watch Dortmund game but didn’t Juve hit them on counter a number of times. How was Gundogan re this ? I’d want some one bigger and quicker than him to be honest. Just want a bit more power in the team to balance it out with our midgets

    Crikey you took some stick off other posters. I didn’t bother much. It was one of those days

    If we get 2 or 3 quality players in, sort our injury issues out, concentrate fully in all games we can push for the top next year. The ridiculous injuries have really stuffed us this season. Beyond a joke.

  32. qna

    TGF: If we get 2 or 3 quality players in, sort our injury issues out, concentrate fully in all games we can push for the top next year. The ridiculous injuries have really stuffed us this season. Beyond a joke.

    Its just excuses again. The season unfolded completely predictably. There were no surprises. If your waiting for a season where Arsenal dont have many injuries your kidding yourself. We have to have a squad that can win in spite of the expected injuries. If we had a 1st team that was genuinely better than the other big teams (which we dont) and if we managed our squad so that no player gets over worked, then we might be in business, but otherwise, its more of the same. By the way, one could argue that we are already pushing for top this year. In fact, if we win 100% of our games, I think 84 points will prove to be enough to win the league this year. So if thats all you want, then we are already here.

  33. SomeRandomGunner

    @qna you seem to suggest it is not enough to win title this year ?

    If we somehow manage to win all our remaining games that would be a real achievement .
    Injuries or no injuries we seem to play well only in the first or second half . Also we play well only in one of 2 legs in champions league 🙂

  34. tunnygriffboy


    I don’t think the season is unfolding completely., We all know we have real problems with injuries. Irrespective of how they occur the fact is we’ve been without too many of or key players for the first half of the season. Any team would have suffered

    I’m not saying we’ll win this season at all. We can hopefully look forward to a strong finish and an fa cup final. All good

    You must agree that the injuries we’ve had in the first part of the season hampered us ? ( including no cover for Kos)

    We also showed in big games this season that when we concentrate we can get good results. If we could concentrate in all games like this and not have brain farts then we can be competitive.

    Add 3 top players to improved concentration and sorting our injury situation out do you not think we can be more competitive ? Personally I’ve seen a bit of progression this season both in squad depth and some performances.

  35. Wallace


    Juventus were excellent on the night. compact and quick to counter. Gundogan was sat in front of the defence alongside Bender and was quite disciplined, but as they were always chasing the game it wasn’t easy. i know he’s small, but he’s solidly built, has lots of energy, and you wouldn’t want to fuck with him. could see him alongside either one of Coquelin or Ramsey. and i might be wrong but think he’ll be entering the final year of his contract next season.

    i’m a grown up, can handle the abuse 😉

  36. qna

    SRG I am saying that we will not win the league this year. I am saying it will be possible every year, so you may as well rejoice and be happy. Buying a couple players every year is what every club does – that wont change anything. Probably every club in the top 2 or 3 divisions will make that many player purchases.

    But it is much much less than what is needed at Arsenal to become genuinely contenders again. And when I say contenders, I dont mean like we are now, but I mean like Chelsea and City were this year, as it was genuinely expected that one of these two teams would win.

  37. GuNZ

    My step-daughter in London, the Gooner one, has just been made redundant so I told her to apply for the Arsenal manager’s job. Her first reaction after having been told she didn’t have a job anymore was to go and buy a bottle of Prosecco and have a curry at 11 in the morning. I have trained her well.

  38. qna

    TGB, I feel that we are the unluckiest team in the world. Injuries, players slipping at the wrong time, getting horror tackles that no other team gets. The Ref we had against Liverpool in the champions league QF. Etc etc. But I am sensible enough to know that that is not the case. Who knows why things happen.

    Arsenal has a serious problem in its player management and it contributes to the player injuries. Even when a player gets injured and its tactically acceptable for a player to come off, Arsene does nothing. For example, Theo’s big injury against Spurs. He jarred his knee or something else from memory earlier. He could have come off then. I was shouting at the TV for it. But no, and he picks up a possibly unrelated injury or possibly related injury a few minutes later.

    No I dont buy it. Also, how can you judge the quality of Jeckle and Hyde. Is he a good guy or is he a bad guy. Do we judge Arsenal as the team that played West Ham or the team that played Spurs or Dortmund or Monaco. I honestly dont know personally. I am confused as hell. I have no idea if we have made progress this year. I think so, but City were shit this year and United played poorly against us in that match. Lets win against Chelsea in a few weeks time and see what happens.

    Bottom line is that the quality of our players is still a lot to be desired for me. I want to see world class 200k per week players now. I am sick of this Stadium project. Lets move back to playing with the big boys.

  39. peanuts&monkeys

    Arsenal had the easiest draw among every other team. Yet the bastard Wenger could not get this team qualified. Shame Shame. Hang yourself in Shame you motherfuckingWenger!!!!

  40. tunnygriffboy


    Surely we’re competing with City this year. Generally we have a youngish squad with many of our players coming into their prime. We can afford to buy new players. City on the other hand have an aging squad and will have to start rebuilding. Depending on Ffp and how it affects them will make it interesting

    Chelsea have had a blip recently and have kept their players fi which is a credit to their support and medical staff. Many are saying they are looking tired though

    We stuffed the first part of our season. We took 11 points out of the first 34. Not signing a CB and the injuries had a say in this. Since then we haveen quite consistent and edged up the table

  41. Emiratesstroller

    Earlier this season we were told that Arsenal were not good enough to beat most of the top teams in EPL and a lot of people including myself agreed with that point of view.

    It was due primarily to poor defending and our style of play not to mention our continuous injury problems.

    Since January our performance level has improved and we have won difficult games away from home against both Man Utd and Man City, although we lost
    against Spurs.

    However, I do believe that we are now on upward curve. We filled two glaring
    holes in our squad with return of Coquelin and recruitment of Gabriel. The
    first was more by accident than by design, but has alleviated the need hopefully to use again either Arteta or Flamini.

    Gabriel has not played much but may at least in short term put Mertesacker
    on his toes. He has had a pretty indifferent season.

    However, for me the key element in the puzzle is not so much recruitment of new personnel, but rather improving the quality of our football. Wenger has
    devoted far too much time to tippy tappy football and not enough to the basics.

    Playing a more direct game with solid defence and greater ‘football intelligence’ will improve performance. We need also more ‘leadership’ on the field
    than we have seen for a very long time. There has been a distinct lack of
    ruthlessness in this team.

    Looking forward we saw yesterday the importance of having a “top class goalkeeper” in the team. Hart had yesterday a stormer and prevented Man City
    from being heavily defeated. Most of the top gk are settled with major clubs
    so that finding someone with those characteristics is a problem in view of
    shortage, but if I was Arsenal this would be my ‘major investment’ in summer.

    Otherwise Arsenal’s recruitment should be to find selective upgrades for those players who need to be offloaded. We don’t need to make wholesale acquisitions.

    In offload department I would include some players who are likely to fetch a
    transfer fee. In our current squad and out on loan who would come into that category are Walcott,Szczesny,Jenkinson,Sanogo and Campbell. Realistically
    they are all surplus to requirements and not good enough for our squad.

  42. tunnygriffboy


    Serious question. We beat City and united and they both played shit against us. Surely if they played better than us they would have won ? Irrespective of how they played we were the better side on the day and created the far better chances and concentrated were disciplined and kept them at bay. Against lpool we were 2nd best but still nearly snuck a win. Surely we deserve a bit of credit.

  43. SomeRandomGunner

    @qna I dont think we are that far off Chelsea or Man City in competing for the league. Sure we are not close to win the CL , but we should be able to compete for the league with this squad .

    We drew against


    And lost to

    Stoke City

    At least these results we should be able to improve without any additions to the team . If we got slightly better results in those matches we will be 2-3 points off chelsea .

    League is all about consistency rather than a best 11 in the league.

  44. tunnygriffboy


    Most of those games were played without Kos, Ozil, Debuchy , Walcott, Coquelin and Giroud.


    Agree with what you say. I can see a change in attitude and philosophy. We’re still short of one or two players with steel and leadership. Would like that to be brought in, also in the future as they get older the likes of Ramsey and Coquelin might show it

    Despite his limitations I still have a soft spot for Walcott though 🙂

  45. GuNZ

    On Walcott and our opponents in the FA semis, who can forget his stonking, crucial goals in that 5-7 League Cup tie in 2012?

  46. GuNZ


    That is correct. He is from Hamilton, the Cardiff of the southern hemisphere. Hope he keeps up the good work over there otherwise I’m sure you’ll revoke his passport the way you did that other erstwhile member of the Cymri. Mr. Henry.

  47. qna

    SRG, TGB

    “we should be able to compete for the league with this squad .”

    Like I said. By these definitions and both your comments we are already competing for the league. So be happy.

    ES: Sell Walcott, Szczesny, Jenkinson, Sanogo and Campbell

    By my thinking this will only mildly increase the quality of our squad. Ask yourself this. Who do you honest to god think will win the league next season. Like if you had to bet a loved ones life on one team with a gun to your head. Until the answer is Arsenal then I think your settling for less. It may not be the case every year but we should be going into seasons with this level of team. Those that say we cant afford it are simply wrong. We can compete financially with the other PL clubs. We CHOOSE not to.

  48. Emiratesstroller


    There are quite a few players in our first team squad apart from those I listed who need to be offloaded but they are not going to fetch a transfer fee or if they do it will be peanuts.

    Podolski is an example, because noone is going to spend serious money on him particularly with the wages he is currently earning from us. I suspect that
    Arsenal will need to incur some pain here and subsidise his departure.

    I hope sincerely that Wenger does not extend the contract for Diaby. With Wenger you never know! It is up to senior management of club such as Gazidis to draw his attention to the economic reality of keeping this player.

    However, when you analyse our squad it is already fairly bloated when you add in those players out on loan. I suspect that even if we were to offload 7-8
    players our requirements for next season would not be more than 3-4 new players at most. The key is that Arsenal should be bringing in players of ‘real
    quality’ and not as has been the case too often in past ‘squad fillers’.

  49. tunnygriffboy


    I’m not saying we’ll win the league by any stretch of the imagination. If we sort our injuries add a Cech, Kondogbia and Dybala then I think we could push for the league. Do you not think that ?


    Gats is a legend down here. Problem is supporting Wales is like supporting Arsenal, gallant losers. 🙂

  50. MidwestGun

    Tunny –
    To blame injuries is a double edged sword. Without injuries to Arteta and Flamini we wouldn’t have seen Coq. Without a major injury to Giroud we probably wouldn’t have bought Welbeck. Without an injury to Debuchy we wouldn’t have seen emergence of Bellerin and most likely Chambers would be the backup RB. Without an injury to Wilshere we most likely would have still tried the 4-1-4-1 special. Without an injury to Ramsey we wouldn’t have seen Santi in a deeper role. So one could argue we would actually be worse off this season.
    I’m as sick as anyone of repeated chronically injured but i don’t know if it effected our point total negativel . The turning point of the season for me was when Arteta limped off and Coq emerged to stiffen our defense. (Bad pun intended )

  51. Dark Hei


    Sorry to burst your bubble.

    “England are currently second in the overall coefficient ranking – the one that counts – with 80.391 points over the past five seasons. “

  52. Emiratesstroller

    Midwest Gun

    The injury list may have been a blessing in disguise this season, because it forced Wenger to act [rather than his usual reaction].

    However, I do feel that Arsenal’s current squad is bloated and with too much duplication in one or two positions. Whilst others are still rather underserved.

    We spend a lot of time on the Blog discussing who we would like to offload or
    bring in. Bluntly if the club were to listen to bloggers and pundits we would land up offloading everyone in our squad and recruiting 100s of million pounds of players.

    Arsenal’s budget next summer will be at most £50-60 million with perhaps at a
    squeeze an additional £10 million if we make sales and find an extra special player. That will buy you probably 3 decent players.

  53. tunnygriffboy


    It’s the injuries to Kos and Ozil that were killers. For me Welbeck was welcome and I agree that without Giroud’s injury we wouldn ‘t have him but to be without him for 4 months was problematic.

    Kos not playing was the killer and not having support in his position was a bummer. Poor Monreal playing CB. Would love to see win % age of when Ozil and Kos play or don’t play.

    11 points oout of first 24 killed us. Apart from a couple ofbrain farts since November our form has been hugely consistent. I’m angry because amongst tha really good form we put in that performance v Monaco. The players and supporters hugely under estimated them and were quite arrogant going into it. There are no bad teams in last 16 of CL

  54. tunnygriffboy


    We have some really good players in our squad and sometimes we underestimate their ability. A lot are around 26 and under and coming into their prime

    As you say about 8 could go. We wouldn’t get much money for them but it would free up wages. 3 or 4 top quality players would make me really happy and would expect a title push

    ****** If we sort the pesky injuries ******* 🙂

  55. MidwestGun

    E stroller –
    Yep… agreed on the injury front, my issue with injuries is constant reliance on chronically injured or aging players in key positions. The Ramsey /Wilshere combination being the biggest culprit. Along with Arteta and Flamini. I can’t imagine what our front line would look like either had Giroud not been injured. Sanogo?

    Haha Tunny……ok reoccurring hamstring injuries, to be specific, need addressed, i agree there.

  56. karim

    Next year is gonna be a different story, doubt United and City will be happy with their season not to mention the Chavs…
    Liverpool and Tottenham might be too much for us as well.
    Next summer is gonna be hot !

  57. SomeRandomGunner

    @karim the same exact argument was made last season , there were lot of people on here told we will be out of top 4 because all the teams are going to improve a lot.

    Now we are one point off Man City .
    I think Arsenal are the symbol of consistency , we can stand still very very well 🙂
    We struggle with improvement .