Can standing at games ever be wrong? | 3 players I demand Arsenal buy this summer

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Happy good morning to you all. Has the dust settled? Do you need a read that’ll hoover up all that misery with the force of two Dyson handhelds? I think you do.

Let’s go…

This weekend we take on Everton. Arguably our sternest test since City. Why? Well, it’s all to play for in the league with United and now Liverpool in the mix for 4th (even though they have a shocker of a run). We were run off the park by Palace, we were out played by Monaco and now we’ll go to Everton knowing what the teams around us have done the day before. Everton is a test of mental strength. The players will be embarrassed, down and tired. They have to lift themselves. They have to prove to the fans they’re a proper team.

Bouncebackability… let’s bring back that word, for this weekend, we need it in the truckload.

What is apparent is we desperately need a new keeper. Ospina is underperforming so badly at the moment, it’s almost worth dropping him for Sunday. I don’t trust him watching him, I can’t imagine what it’s like playing with him. He’s a car crash that’s happening. Let’s put an end to this madness and just bring in Chezzer. Never thought I’d hear myself saying that. Interesting that Opta has him down with the best save percentage ratio in the Premiership. Be interesting to understand how they calculate save, that man tips a duffed back pass around the post. Statistics are important, but standalone doesn’t tell you much.

This is my issue with some of the accounts that tweet statistics. They’re not analysts. You rarely see good data or actual insight. Anyone can open up a £3 a month stats account… not many can actually tell you a story worth listening to. Even those who can tell a story tend to bore you into oblivion with over the top complexities you’re not supposed to understand. We used to get that a lot in social media. Agencies would claim they undertook social listening, which was basically just a pie chart that counted bad words against good words. They’d sell that as social insights. BUT THERE WERE NO INSIGHTS AND THE DATA WAS INACCURATE. Drove me cray. Totally cray.

Anyway, numbers beef aside, Wenger needs to go big this summer. He needs to curb the urge to buy another average goalkeeper… I’m sure he does it on purpose so not to scare his favourite too much. We need someone like Lloris.

Another player it’s clear we need is a centre midfielder. We need a player to boss the middle of the park. It’s clear Ramsey has lost his sparkle. We can’t depend on that coming back. Jack? Jury is out. He is a man of regression. Coquelin? Jury is out. We need someone who is consistent, a player who makes a difference and someone who has the power and pace you need. That man is Schneiderlin. I love him. He’s going to make it all better. In fact, here’s my idea… and you’re going to like it. Let’s go £40m for Morgan AND Forster. What you saying?

I can hear you… you’re saying it’s great idea.

I guess the final piece of the jigsaw is a world class striker. We can’t keep pretending that Giroud is going to become Drogba next year because he reached 50 goals quicker. We can’t rely on WELBZ becoming a world class finisher over night, that’ll take hard work and time… and Chuba is too young. We need to find world class talent. We need to do it this summer. Suarez would be nice. Let’s do that.

HERE IS AN IDEA: You tell me the best strikers in Europe who are attainable and I’ll run with them tomorrow. Together, we are stronger.

HOT DOGS: I noticed that the buns had improved and the product looked delicious at the game in the week. Is this because Alex has been hitting Delaware hard with his bitching about the dry dogs? I hear so. Power of bitching, erryday.

So… that time, you write about your anger about seeing something go off in the stadium and you don’t have the full story? Yeah, that happened (I think writing without the facts is called modern journalism… ZING). One of the guys who was in amongst the fans having an argument about standing got in touch.

Story goes, no one was standing. A drunk guy decided he wanted to go solo. Steward told him to sit. When the steward went. He stood and was quite obnoxious to those around him. So he was told off. His standing was forcing everyone else to stand.

So where do you go with this? You can see it from both angles. The stander wants to stand in a big game. But the people around him don’t. This is a common issue. I quite often have an older lady behind me who likes to sit. She’s no tourist. But I like to stand and can’t see if I sit. I’m over 6ft. She certainly struggles with the view.

So what do you do? What do the club do? For me, it splices open the safe standing debate. I want to stand at games. All the games, unless I’m nursing a hangover… Then I want to exercise the right to lie down. These guys have landed in an altercation because they’re sticking up for the majority around them. Which really, is a commendable action considering some of the debate we had last week about people keeping their mouths shut when bad behaviour is going off. But is there an issue when the majority vibe is to sit?

Ideally, for the atmosphere, we’d want the majority standing. But I’m talking as a 30 year old man, I’m not everyone and my view is populist. Football is for everyone. Problem is, the club cater for sitters, not standers. We need to open up standing. Cheaper tickets, more noise, more people and an acceptance that all fans do not sure the same taste.

… funny, we cater upwards! If you have money, you can get a damn beer in the Champions League! I know you need that. But, I’m being populist again. Fuck the rich.

Anyway, always two sides of a story. Where do you stand on this one?

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  1. Carts

    I think we’lll bounce back and beat Everton.

    Arsenal have a penchant of embarrasing themselves, then quickly rectifying it by beating either a shit team or a team playing shit.

  2. Romford Ozil Pele

    Carts, sorry if it came across that way. Meant Pep won’t be signing a new deal at Bayern. Providing United have their s*** together by then, he’ll managing them IMO.

  3. salparadisenyc

    Carts

    Hope you’re right, Everton do seem to be chucking it all into Europe. Only route to champions league is a victory.

  4. Relieable sauce

    I did chuckle when I read about JC’s twitter pick after Villareal went through.

    The comment – You’ve gotta feel for Gabriel just sitting & watching.
    lol

  5. Romford Ozil Pele

    Can’t remember who said it yesterday but they were spot on. Fair play if you want players to express themselves on the field but if it isn’t working, step in and do something about it!

  6. Bergkamp63

    Michael,

    Where did you see these result first ? I was on their site not 60 secs before your post looking for these results to appear and they were not there !

    Are you sure you don’t work in Arsenal’s accounts office !

  7. Arsene's Nurse

    Carts February 27, 2015 14:08:30

    “The latest financial accounts (to end November) show that we cash reserves of £138.8m”

    Stadium repayments, and that other £25m that have to be set aside for something (I can’t remember). That’s at least £85m available, before you factor in Gabriel and any fees received for Podolski and JC.
    ———————————————————————-
    You’ve got that wrong I’m afraid. It’s not easy to get a grips with the accounts.

    The statementent reads:

    “The Group has no short-term debt and its cash reserves, excluding the balances designated as debt service reserves, amounted £138.8 million (2013 – £120.6 million). ”

    So that statement already takes into account the money that has to be held back for debt services.

    If you look at the fuller statement then under Current assets – Cash and shortterm deposits the figure is £161,546,000 (£161.54 million)

  8. salparadisenyc

    I’d like to think Pep would come to Arsenal. Do we think Wenger will let that happen from his cushy GM seat? Dude would obliterate everything Wenger’s been doing or not doing shall I say. He’d burn the softness right out of the side by Christmas.

  9. Romford Ozil Pele

    From a personal standpoint, Pep may like Arsenal, but then you like at Untied’s financials and we pale in comparison. I think it depends on what United are doing around 2016 time.

  10. Whyareyoulookingatme?

    “One of many questions perhaps answered in Wenger’s torrid memoirs.”
    Can’t wait lol

    Mostly because it would mean that his career as a manager is over.

  11. Leedsgunners

    In the latter days of the Roman Empire whilst the hungry barbarian tribes were making their slow sure progress to Rome, the Emperors sought to placate the crowds and distract them from the dire reality facing them by laying on increasing lavish festivals and military contests… called the Bread and Circuses technique.

    What has the powers that be at Arsenal done after the worst performance of the season?

    Put out the financial report.

    Surprise, surprise, it is healthy. What do they want? A gold medal? What’s the point of all this money if they play like they did on Wednesday night?

    Why are they releasing it now? What’s the implication there? It’s a teaser isn’t?

    We’re going to buy another top notch player. Just hold on, next season will be different. Just keep the faith. They always tell us…

    This me Gooners, is nothing but another form of Bread and Circuses.

    It doesn’t matter who we buy, frankly we could buy the best of Real Madrid, Barça and Bayern Munich combined but under this manager and hierarchy they will not go anywhere.

    Furthermore our first team is the most visible part of our problem, and the part most people focus on. Outside the spotlight, our scouting, youth academy and our fitness regime all need to have a review and need a reboot. For the sake of a new stadium we have sold the soul of our club to money men who care nothing for the tradition of our club or its history.

  12. Leedsgunner

    In the latter days of the Roman Empire whilst the hungry barbarian tribes were making their slow sure progress to Rome, the Emperors sought to placate the crowds and distract them from the dire reality facing them by laying on increasing lavish festivals and military contests… called the Bread and Circuses technique.

    What has the powers that be at Arsenal done after the worst performance of the season?

    Put out the financial report.

    Surprise, surprise, it is healthy. What do they want? A gold medal? What’s the point of all this money if they play like they did on Wednesday night?

    Why are they releasing it now? What’s the implication there? It’s a teaser isn’t?

    We’re going to buy another top notch player. Just hold on, next season will be different. Just keep the faith. They always tell us…

    This me Gooners, is nothing but another form of Bread and Circuses.

    It doesn’t matter who we buy, frankly we could buy the best of Real Madrid, Barça and Bayern Munich combined but under this manager and hierarchy they will not go anywhere.

    Furthermore our first team is the most visible part of our problem, and the part most people focus on.

    Outside the spotlight, our scouting, youth academy and our fitness regime all need to have a review and need a reboot.

    For the sake of a new stadium we have sold the soul of our club to money men who care nothing for the tradition of our club or its history.

  13. Romford Ozil Pele

    “I was hoping Van Gaal had bankrupted them by that time, now that would be a major task.”

    Lol Sal he may get sacked if he doesn’t get top 4 this season considering he spent more than £150m. Unfortunately United oblierate everyone when it comes to financials. What other team can finish 7th and go and spend £60 odd million on Di Maria/get Falcao on loan. Obviously they haven’t worked out but at the time people were expecting United to be one of the favs for the league.

  14. Alex James

    All through my childhood, Chelsea were the joke club of London. One championship – and that was in 1955. Now look at them. Their deal just shows you what a useless bunch of negotiators we have. And there is still no sign of the big secondary deals we were promised. One Spurs get their new stadium, we shall be even further down the pecking order. And West Ham will be getting the benefit of in reased attendances as ŵell. The move to the Emirates has gained the fans nothing. Higher prices and a woeful team have resulted, whilst the board gets richer. Where is the light at the end of the tunnel? My father used to wax on about the like of Alex James , David Jack and Cliff Bastin. TH and DB10 were up there with them. Just look at the rubbish we have had to endure over the last ten years, which shows no sign of abating. Assuming he is in Heaven, my father must wish to dowse this lot in his personal waste from on high! £9m a year to produce the dross that lies near the surface every time we play. Martin Keowne said the other night that it is not Wenger’s way to castigate players straight after a match, because it destroys confidence. God give me strength. I nearly choked. Can anyone image SAF patting his team on the head.!

  15. Whyareyoulookingatme?

    “Wenger going upstairs would be worst move imaginable for us.”

    Yes but he could have a beautiful view over our (his ??) beautiful stadium. lol

  16. Micheal

    Bergkamp63 February 27, 2015 14:23:57

    Michael,

    Where did you see these result first ? I was on their site not 60 secs before your post looking for these results to appear and they were not there !

    Are you sure you don’t work in Arsenal’s accounts office !

    No, not in a million years, do I work in the accounts office of anyone, least of all AFC. Too innumerate and too daft – otherwise I’d be a great choice.

    The story was on newspaper websites because information is given to the media under a release time embargo. Maybe some media jumped the gun before the agreed time of the AFC release.

  17. Leedsgunner

    SAF can sit in the stands at Old Trafford because he knows that his accomplishments will not be easily eclipsed.

    If we get a decent manager, I doubt Wenger would be able to sit in the stands as comfortably. Under the right person, training, tactics and motivation, I suspect even our present group of players are capable of more. I doubt Wenger would want to sit there whilst another person brought to the club the success he used to bring. His ego won’t let him. Under a new manager with modern techniques and tactics I believe it wouldn’t be long until Wenger was sorely exposed…

  18. Carts

    A.Nurse – Oh I see. My undertanding isn’t great, but what is great is our cash balance. Incredible really.

    Sal – I think with Yids and Scouse fucking up last night, they’ll have to go hard for 4th now. Everton aren’t making top 6 so might as well go heavy for EL and simply ab=void relegation.

    RP – Pep should just resign end of season and make Utd force LVG out.

  19. Dream10

    Imbula and Schneiderlin please. Jack is injury prone, Ramsey misses a chunk of time and Arteta, Flamini are washed up.

  20. Pedro

    Mickey, not sure what ‘marketing hack’ means, but just for the record, I have a 5 person insights team that deliver best in class research in London. I get data and insights. I also understand that Ospina is a shower.

  21. Bergkamp63

    Leedsgunner February 27, 2015 15:13:31
    Bergkamp63
    £175m in wages for that dog mess of a performance… just think about that?!?

    Thanks for that but I was trying not to !

    We must be within a gnats gooly of Chelsea’s wage bill now, hilarious !

  22. Cesc Appeal

    RP

    That’s too simple, think more hopes pinned on Wilshere and Ramsey for another year, Coquelin suddenly being hailed as a ‘long term solution’ and Arteta being given a one year extension.

    A Diaby extension still wouldn’t shock me either.

    No pressure on Wenger, he does what he wants.

  23. Thomas

    —————-Handanovic—————–

    Debuchy Hummels Koscielny Monreal

    ———Kondogbia Schneiderlin———-

    Reus—————Ozil————-Sanchez

    —————-Lewandowski—————–

  24. Leedsgunner

    Thomas

    Don’t do this… it’s really really mean… especially right before a weekend.

    But more than any player I would want either:

    1. Simeone
    2. Pep
    3. Garcia
    4. Klopp

    *Wistful thinking*

    What a line up…. and awake!

    —————-Handanovic—————–
    Debuchy Hummels Koscielny Monreal———
    Kondogbia Schneiderlin
    ———-Reus—————Ozil————-Sanchez—————-
    Lewandowski—————–

  25. Romford Ozil Pele

    CA – Oh for sure… What else can I do but live in hope. Wenger will persist with Wilshere/Ramsey. That’s his modus operandi.

    Like you say, Wenger does what he wants. there was an article in the DT about the board being angry with Wenger after Wednesday’s result. You know that’s a load of hogwash though. Can’t see us signing anyone of note in the summer, especially if Bielik talkis anything to go by. Hope i’m wrong though.

  26. Cesc Appeal

    Team for Sunday:

    Schez
    Bellerin, Gabriel, Kozz, Monreal
    Coquelin, Rosicky
    Oxlade, Cazorla, Sanchez
    Welbeck

    Giroud and Ozil should both be dropped after their horror shows, same for Mertesacker.

    In the summer we need a comprehensive rebuild of this squad, focused mainly on the central midfield, but keeper as well, if there’s even a sniff of a top class striker out there we should be on that as well.

    And if necessary make difficult squad choices, Wilshere, Walcott, Schez even Ozil; if we think what they could bring in in terms of money that could then be spent is worth more than their contributions then we have a decision to make.

  27. Whyareyoulookingatme?

    “Surprised to see Ozil in your line-up Thomas.”

    It’s obvious : when the opponents sees a 42 MILLIONS EUROS player on the pitch, they are affraid.
    Or not ? lol

  28. Cesc Appeal

    RP

    And the same people will lap it all up in our fan base, the 2011 Barcelona game for Wilshere, we don’t see Bielik in training, Coquelin could turn into Schniederlin, if we can keep Ramsey fit consistantly.

    Lots of ifs and hopes. Never anything concrete, never anything reliable going into a season.

    £185 Million wage bill? For real?

  29. Wallace

    Paulinho

    “Graham couldn’t work with talented players? Garbage. Limpar, Merson, Rocastle were the very epitome of talent and he worked fine with them.”

    Limpar lasted one season before being dumped for Perry fuckin’ Groves. Merson did okay, but for his talent seriously underachieved, and he sold Rocastle at 23. whenever things weren’t going well first thing he’d do was yank the talent.

  30. Dream10

    If you buy Reus and Lewandowski, it’s worth selling Sanchez for 35-40m. He wants to dominate the ball in central in areas and he won’t have that opportunity with those plyers. We could buy a right sided midfielder and one more winger

  31. Romford Ozil Pele

    CA, Yeah you couldn’t make it up. If not for the Arteta injury, Coq would likely still be at Charlton and without a contract extension.

    Nothing reliable which is why I feel it’s pointless blaming players at this time. For sure we could upgrade in certain positions but we’ve seen the same issues rear its ugly head for years – it’s now the same with better personnel. We could buy Messi, Neuer and Kondogbia and still inconceivably f**k up easily. And that’s why it’s a management change first for me above all else.

  32. Dream10

    Cesc Appeal

    Giroud was poor on Wednesday against Monaco. But despite his wastefulness, he is head and shoulders above Welbeck as a #9 at this stage. It is Danny who should be dropped

  33. goona

    @cesc…”In the summer we need a comprehensive rebuild of this squad, focused mainly on the central midfield, but keeper as well, if there’s even a sniff of a top class striker out there we should be on that as well.”……
    How many years do we keep saying this?

    The club’s become a parody of its former self

  34. Cesc Appeal

    RP

    Yeah that’s very true. As you say, no matter who we get if we can’t keep them fit for 2 minutes and are tactically suicidal with no preparedness at all we will keep falling into these traps.

    Dream10

    Giroud gets dropped for me. His performance was so bad it was insulting, not just the misses, his all round play was diabolically bad.

    Welbeck will at least give us some pace, directness and willing.

    People need to start paying for bad performances, I’m sick to the back teeth of hearing about how we’re “going to respond…bounce back” we are perennially ‘responding’ or ‘bouncing back.’

    How about we don’t keep making the same mistakes leading to us having to respond, how about we don’t fall so that we need the bounce, 4-5 times a year that wheel that out after an embarrassing result.

    Just like our injuries, the regularity means something deeper than any sort of luck, or off nights or anything else is happening. It can’t be explained away, the club is broken at the top level. We’re also rans, in the league and Europe.

    If people want Wenger to stay fine, but accept that, don’t come at me with the old bollocks that Wenger is desperate to win and he’s TRYING to win, because he isn’t. And he wants to win within his own philosophy.

    This isn’t a go at you by the way! Haha. You said one thing about Giroud and got a page full! 😉

  35. wattsy

    the standing / sitting issue can wait, I want to have a piss at half time in under 15mins too many people not enough urinals, that’s why the borough fans pissed in the sinks.

    Bog awful planning !

  36. Cesc Appeal

    What cannot be disputed is it is time to give Gabriel a proper go now…Mertesacker for most of the season has been poor. Just Monaco he was truly awful, sort of highlighted it.

  37. Thank you and goodnight

    @Wallace

    Unfairly GG’s teams where labelled boring yet the season we won title at Anfield we won title against liverpool on goal difference. A Liverpool that at the time had almost complete domination of English football. Someone once posted a link on here that went into much more detail than I ever could as to why GG’S achievements and style of football we played under him have been wrongly criticised over the years. Unfortunately I can’t find that link anymore sorry

  38. Danish Gooner

    No wonder they are tired all the time living cest life fantastique at titty bars and hot nightclubs,bunch of chokers !!!!

  39. JJ

    If we are going to buy anyone it needs to be someone who can and will the game from the pitch… because we know Wenger is incapable.

  40. WengerEagle

    Romford

    I personally prefer Luiz Gustavo, Arturo Vidal (knee is a worry though), Kondogbia (monster potential), Marchisio, Toulalan (extremely underrated)and Javi Martinez (obviously depends on whether or not he recovers fully from knee injury).

    Hector Herrera off of Porto is an interesting player too.

    All are top CM performers and have performed at the highest level in the Champions League.

    I like Schneiderlin like I said and think that he would be a quality signing, would just prefer these players if I’m being honest.

  41. Relieable sauce

    At least some respected journalists & pundits (or should I say analysts) are asking some serious questions now.
    Could see a few more Oatley & Why-do-you-look-at-me!? incidents.

  42. Cesc Appeal

    WE

    Big fan of Marchisio, I remember talking about him last summer and people saying he’d be an Arteta replacement really, and as Arteta was staying another year no point.

    But yeah, alongside a proper CDM, lovely stuff.

    Matuidi as well is a favourite of mine.

  43. WengerEagle

    Think we need to let Reus go, he’s just signed a new whopper contract at Dortmund so it’s a no go.

    Sczcesny
    Debuchy Paulista Koscielny Monreal
    Moutinho Kondogbia
    Sanchez Ozil Firmino
    Dybala

    Would be an interesting team under a different manager.

  44. kingHenry

    There’s nothing worse than the thought of Wenger signing a new contract, but you just know with Kroenke and Ivan in charge, that’s what we’re probably gonna get.

    No matter who we sign, we’re gonna keep having games like Wednesday simply because our coaching staff is a bunch of incompetent twats.
    Only a shit regime like Wenger’s can make you no longer give a shit about the club you love.

    We’ll probably beat Everton and Wenger comes up with some bullshit about mental strength, and then we win 2-0 in France, and he says we were unlucky, and then we go on a 5 game winning run against a bunch of shit teams, during which the AKBs turn up in his defence, only for us to lose another important match, and the excuses come up again.

    We end the season on a high, and start next season very well after buying a couple good players, and in December, we lose 6-7 players to injury, and subsequently losr form… and we can all blame it on the injuries again…

    Different season, same shit!

  45. goona

    Giroud was and is utter shite….For every goal he scores he misses 10 sitters..woefully poor return. Any half decent two footed player, given the chances he had this week would of had a hatrick.

    For 185m a year I’d like to see players turn up week in week out and at least get stuck in, the attitude of practically all the players is wrong….where are the leaders on the pitch?…..There aren’t any in the dugout

  46. Dream10

    Cesc

    Lol no worries on an essay like reply. I’m with you on changes. But Welbeck’s shooting technique pisses me off. He rarely seems to hit the ball cleanly. He almost never puts his foot through the ball.

    No more Ospina, Mertesacker and Gibbs. Gibbs is bang average just like many others, but his homegrown status is his safety card

  47. goona

    I have no interest in who the club signs until wenger goes, a new manager is a priority if we even want to think about success on the pitch.

  48. Cesc Appeal

    Dream10

    I know what you mean, a bit like Gervinho in his finishing, Welbeck. Very awkward, strange looking.

    Again, I was banging on ages ago about LB being a position we need to sort, Gibbs defensively isn’t great at all and is yet another sick note.

  49. Dream10

    WengerEagle

    Firmino has the talent His attitude anddrive will take him to the top. If Guardiola is still at Bayern next year, he’d be the ideal false 9 that Pep loves to play. A much better player than Walcott,Welbeck,Podolski,Campbell or Sanogo. He is also a better team player than Sanchez. I wanted him over Alexis tbh.

  50. Romford Ozil Pele

    Yeah Kondogbia is one of those i’ve always had a massive man love for and that was way before Wednesday’s game. People can check my summer posts from 2013. Him and Pogba ripped the U20s tournament which France won (obvs). Madrid were in for him at the time though it wouldn’t have been a good move. I have a thing for left-footed DMs. Kondogbia reminds me a lot of Petit who was an animal for us.

    Eagle – Vidal hasn’t been the same since that injury. And age would rule him out, along with Toulalan for me.

    Nothing wrong with Schneiderlin, maybe it’s because he plays for an unfashionable club. I remember many never used to bat an eyelid during his time at Spurs. Top player though. Think there are loads of merits to buying within your own league too.

  51. Romford Ozil Pele

    Was gobsmacked we started with Gibbs over Monreal tbh. I don’t want to get into the business of bashing individuals as I think it’s a management issue, but that one irked me.

  52. gambon

    “If you buy Reus and Lewandowski, it’s worth selling Sanchez for 35-40m. He wants to dominate the ball in central in areas and he won’t have that opportunity with those plyers. We could buy a right sided midfielder and one more winger”

    No way.

    You dont sell world class players. You build a proper system to utilise them.

    Get rid oz Ozil, not Sanchez who is 3 times the player.

  53. WengerEagle

    Cesc

    Yeah Marchisio is a top player, very versatile too can play as the CDM, in CM or even out wide or behind the striker.

    Wouldn’t be impossible to buy either, Juventus aren’t exactly flush with cash.

    That usually isn’t the problem with signing Italian players funnily enough though, they are extremely loyal and rarely ply their trade outside of Italy.

    Language could be a reason for this.

    Balotelli, Immobile and the PSG trio (Motta, Verratti, Sirigu) are the only Italian NT players currently playing abroad.

  54. gambon

    Romford

    I can confirm that you were talking about Kondogbia all summer.

    Mind you, you were also and still are all over Ozil, who is absolute shit and the clubs worst ever signing.

  55. Relieable sauce

    Has Gnabry finished his indoctrination therapy then?

    16 hrs a day strapped in a chair with his eyelids clamped open, watching pretty passing triangles against a backdrop of sunshine & joyous faces, only to be occasionally interupted with images of someone taking a long shot & puppies being shovelled into a wood chipper.
    The kid sure did take some breaking but should now finally be ready for the 1st team.

  56. Andrew

    I am amazed how the farce is consistently nurtured in the Arsenal camp, elevating and obfuscating the qualities of certain Arsenal players. Players that will frankly NEVER be good and will either consistently disappoint or let down the team and fans at the worst possible occasion. The top four for me:

    Ozil – grossly exaggerated in terms of his qualities. In reality ponderous, sulky, weak-willed and feeble. Does not have any drive, will not defend, and lopes around the pitch. Conditions must be always be “just so” with the right attackers and the perfect set-up, otherwise his magnificent abilities cannot shine through. Nonsense, utter nonsense.

    Giroud – the bouffant-headed, painfully slow and clumsy excuse of a striker that is “pivotal to being the hold-up man and focal point for the attacks”. His caricature grimace and eyes-thrust-to-the-heavens-in anguish routine at yet another dismal miss is now Arsenal lore.

    Mertesacker – even slower than Giroud, which is saying something, but somehow convinced of his defending superiority and ability to pinpoint where all the other players let the team not. He never acknowledges his own rancid contribution in leaving the defense with gaping holes and massive overlaps of space.

    Wilshere – brittle, childish and clueless, he has been touted as the soul of the Arsenal team, but in reality he is a chain-smoking, childish brat that cannot contain his petulance. He is apparently never going to have the attitude or commitment to succeed.

    Arsenal could do very well to let these players go ASAP. Thought must be given to the general lack of physical presence in the team. Players like Cazorla are
    skillful but often are muscled and bullied off the ball.

    It should not be this complicated. A decent team and strategy for each game can be developed. Ultimately, the genial father figure in charge must take responsibility for the rot and clean house (starting with himself?).

    Please, can we just stop pretending that the emperor is wearing clothes? He is naked and other people are laughing. For f***s sakes

  57. Romford Ozil Pele

    Lol Gambon, thanks for your vote of confidence.

    Tbh Wednesday was the first time I’d been massively dissapointed with Ozil since he’s been at the club and everyone knows he’s my favourite player. He was very poor but then again, so was everyone else. You’re entitled to your opinion though naturally I disagree, still think he’s a top top player. For me though, Wednesday signified a bigger problem than one individual even if we can obviously improve in certain areas. It’s a management issue and until we address that we’ll still fall short.

  58. WengerEagle

    Romford

    Really? Vidal is only 27. The knee is a worry though.

    I don’t think that age is particularly important for CDM’s tbh, look at Alonso he’s 34 this year and still going strong at Bayern.

    Toulalan is a couple of years younger, there’s no reason why we couldn’t get 2-3 excellent years out of him. He’s an absolute colossus in front of the defence.

    Gustavo might top my list, perfect age, has UCL experience and is a quality CDM that nearly acts as a 3rd CB to the defence, like Mascherano when he’s playing for Argentina.

    RE Schneiderlin it’s not that for me, it’s his lack of UCL experience. As City have proved the UCL is a different kettle of fish to the BPL.

  59. gambon

    Romford

    I agree the problems are much bigger. Different team, different coaches and same old problems.

    Only really one man to blame and we all know who.

    However for me, when you start spending big money you need big performances. I havent seen Ozil do ANYTHING to justify a £20m price tag, let alone £42m.

    He hasnt played well in one even semi-big game yet.

  60. Romford Ozil Pele

    Eagle – Yeah fair point. Maybe it’s the Wengerist in me that doesn’t wanna buy anyone over 26! But since we already have two pensioner DMs at the club, think we could do with more legs hence the younger age thing. Toulalan? Why not. Actually thought he’d be one of those who’d end up at Arsenal at some point.

    “RE Schneiderlin it’s not that for me, it’s his lack of UCL experience. As City have proved the UCL is a different kettle of fish to the BPL.”

    True but Fernando/Fernandinho/all the Arsenal guys have CL experience in the masses so it’s not necessarily always an experience thing. I just think City should have a better team for what they’ve spent. And stop with 4-4-2 in Europe FFS!

  61. Ben

    “I personally prefer Luiz Gustavo, Arturo Vidal (knee is a worry though), Kondogbia (monster potential), Marchisio, Toulalan (extremely underrated)and Javi Martinez (obviously depends on whether or not he recovers fully from knee injury).”

    Eagle, do you think it would be prudent to get Toulalan who is 32 years old considering we are trying to get rid of Arteta and Flamini. Think it would be a big ask for him to adapt to the pace of the league.
    And doesn’t Marchisio play way to upfront in Juve’s system behind Tevez and ahead of Pirlo and Vidal (If Pogba is injured that is).

    Personally I would go for Kondogbia, Krychiowak, Scheneiderlin and maybe a cheeky bid for Saul Niguez who I think is going to be the next DM for Spain for the next decade or so.

  62. WengerEagle

    Pellegrini honestly reminds me of Wenger, clueless tactically, naive, very much of the attitude ‘we’ll beat you because we have better players’ and constantly relies on his handful of world class players to give him a dig out.

    I’ve lost count of how many times Sergio Aguero and Yaya Toure have gotten him out of trouble.

    He even looks like Wenger.

  63. Romford Ozil Pele

    “I havent seen Ozil do ANYTHING to justify a £20m price tag, let alone £42m.”

    I guess this is all subjective. He obviously didn’t set his price tag so think it’s unfair to judge him by that. Buying a talent from RM, people are obviously expecting something special but it’s important to look into what you’re buying. Fans are expecting their record signing to be the key player, but Ozil, as Mourinho alluded to, isn’t someone who courts the limelight – describing him as quietly efficient. I think people were expecting a Mess-lite with this signing which is why some are dissapointed. I knew what was coming. I judge a playmaker by chance creation and in this sense Ozil fits the bill just fine. Could he do some things better? Sure, but then who’s perfect? He was my fav player before joining Arsenal but then it’s important to remember he’s dropped down a few levels and is playing for a team that adheres to a completely different style. This debate probably won’t ever go because his languid style isn’t to some people’s taste but i’m more than happy with him.

  64. Wallace

    TYAG

    yeah, initially GG’s teams were pretty good to watch. interesting that both he and Wenger got the balance right at the beginning but then lost it the longer they remained in the job. Wenger’s become too offensive,and Graham went the other way.

  65. Cesc Appeal

    That Geordie video I posted on here after the City game had it right, “Wenger and Pellegrini, two stubborn c**t managers…”

  66. Northbanker

    On the subject of sitting v standing, I now prefer to sit usually whereas I used to prefer to stand.

    Come to think of it, I am now 53 whereas I used to be 23!

  67. Romford Ozil Pele

    Lol yeah I do think there are a lot of similarities between Wenger and Pellegrini. But to be fair, remember Pellegrini got little old Villarreal to a CL semi (against us!) and they only went out because genius Riquelme missed a pen. Then think of all the work he did at Malaga. First season in CL and they got to a quarter-final, only knocked out by a Dortmund offside goal. He also managed Real Madrid for a season so there’s pedigree. But yeah, you can pick similar flaws in him as we do with Wenger.

  68. Ughelligunner

    haha Welbeck? He is worse than Giroud.
    All he does is runs and runs and doesn’t get into scoring positions and if he does misses the shot.

    For all Giroud sins, he is always there to take the ball up even if he misses.

    After Giroud was subbed, welbeck had only one chance and he threw it at walcot.

    At least you see giroud trying to get the ball to stick to him while welbeck run around doing donkey work like Ramirez. Its like People praising Chamberlain for dribling and power when he loses half the ball together with sanchez.

    Ozil’s case is that people have been clamoring for him to play through the middle, but the actually fact is, if he is against a strong dm, he retrieves inside his shell.

    No wonder wenger plays him at left midfield. He sees this players everyday and they are bang average.

    Mertesaker no comment.

    I only blame wenger for been too patient, and i blame the board/owner for been too quiet.

    And Wallace, about Mourinho, why did he accuse his strikers last year? When they were better than ours. Yet?

    What i like about mount-i-nho is that he ie ruthless with his average players. But he uses stars more.

    Can any of you see mourinho playing Mertesaker, Gibbs, Giroud, Welbeck, Coq, ospina, chamberlain in his team?

    If he cant, then there is no way we are suppose to challenge for the league because he is just trying to deviate attention from chelsea.

    P.s. Ozil has been playing AM for some time now. So no excuse to blame wenger with that.

  69. WengerEagle

    That’s true, good point. Funnily enough I actually thought that Fernandinho played ok when he came on midweek, certainly did a better job than Milner or Fernando did in CM. Why Pellegrini didn’t start him I don’t know.

    Agree, you look at City and they certainly haven’t got their money’s worth for players.

    Aguero, Yaya, Zabaleta and arguably Silva are their only WC players. Not great when you look at how much they’ve spent and compare their side to Barca’s, Bayern’s, Real’s or even Chelsea’s.

    Their squad is packed with average players.

    They’ve probably spent over half a billion pounds since the takeover and they have James Milner starting as a CM against fucking Barca!

  70. Wallace

    this is the thing: 25-30m for Schneiderlin, or 18-25m for someone like Bender or Kondogbia? it’s not that i don’t like Schneiderlin, i just think there’s a lot better quality out there at more realistic prices. with Schneiderlin i think you’re paying 10-12m above market value.

  71. tunnygriffboy

    Chelsea get good sponsorship because they win things

    We don’t get the same amount of money because of results like Wednesday

    Gutted about Jack. Was hoping he’d be back alongside Coquelin for Sunday to give us a bit more presence. Santi toonlight weight to play al the time. Tr7 or the Ox. ?

  72. Relieable sauce

    kH
    🙂
    Some sinister stuff going down at AFC.
    Apparently they all have a trip to the “dentist” when they 1st arrive. “Marathon man” style dentistry that is & Wenger is the Larry Olivier chacter.
    “Is it safe?…Is it safe?…IS IT SAFE!?”

  73. Cesc Appeal

    We need to splash about £40-50 on that central midfield alone I think.

    Whether you talk about Kondogbia, Schniederlin, Gonalons, Bender, Moutinho, Matuidi, Imbula whoever you want, you need two of them.

    One central midfielder is not going to be enough, need two strong players there, one more defensively minded, one who is a good distributor.

  74. WengerEagle

    Ben

    The big difference there is that Toulalan has been a top class CDM for close to a decade while Flamini has always been bang average (now he’s just awful) and Arteta was an average CAM/wide midfielder converted to a CDM by Wenger in his infinite wisdom. He did an decent job there in the 2011/12 season but since then has been on his last legs.

    Toulalan literally just sits in front of the back 4 and mops up everything, he’s probably the best tackler in Europe. He’s a big part of the reason why Monaco concede so few goals. His game has never been reliant on pace so I see no reason why he couldn’t be a good stop-gap option until a younger, world class player pops up.

    Saul Niguez looks decent, not sure how good he really is though. Bit early yet to tell.

  75. Romford Ozil Pele

    “After Giroud was subbed, welbeck had only one chance and he threw it at walcot.”

    Lol you blame Welbz for a shot that was going in until it hit Theo? Fantastic is logic.

    “He sees this players everyday and they are bang average.”

    Lol so why is he buying them?! Are you high?

  76. Ughelligunner

    As for mertesaker, he is 30 and should be the coach on the field, but he wants to be coached and reminded of his duty every 5mins as if he is in his teens. He is poor.

    If i was wenger my First sub should have been him.

    But wenger’s fault is he will used him again and nothing will happen.

    Because the pressure to win is not there.

    At chelsea, there is pressure to win and that is why they can discard any player they want because they want to win.

    Here we want to survive. And its high time us fans accept it until….

    Saying you won’t accept it, and you end up doing nothing but moaning daily is like saying u ve resigned to moan and wish we were (…..)

  77. SpanishDave

    We are really at a dead end as a club.
    We have a team of misfits and a manager who is finished and wont go.
    We will struggle along with ups and downs with no real purpose, wining nothing and slowly going down hill.
    We are financialy fit but the people in charge are sapping to love out of the club.
    Money us king winning is secondary in their world.
    A pile of money on their shelf is more important than a cup.
    Greed and ego is everything to them.

  78. Ughelligunner

    romford, why do you think wenger bought welbeck?
    Was he bought a star?
    Look at the team and tell me part from 2 players, the rest were average players bought. You are high from pain from arsenal losing my friend. Lol

    do you think he saw Falcoa (forget he has lost form) and went for welbeck given the same amount.

    He looked at the future, not at the present and average players are bought for the future hoping for maturity. Present success does account for tomorrow but today. That’s why mourinho can recruit old strikers year to year because he is looking for the present.

  79. Ughelligunner

    RP, wenger buys potential, hoping for a worldy, and these are the results expected from potentials. They are not consistent.

    Even some worldy are still not perfect.
    Is Mertesaker a star?

    Romford maybe you should rate our players. And let me see how you rate them.lol

    Note: Potential are average because you spend years molding them and you have to accommodate the inconsistency.

    They might become great, average or fade off. Ask chelsea about their potential Lukaku and Kakuta.

  80. Ughelligunner

    About welbeck, i am not saying he is at fault, i am saying he plays as if he doesn’t have the strikers instint to be at the right plays for a goal. And if he mages it, he always flukes the ball.

    Giroud is good at it but cannot save himself.

    This is were walcot is best at. (and useless at defending)

    When he came in, he had more runs on goal than welbeck who has been playing for the whole match, and we want to crucify Giroud for welbeck, when they are both cloth cut from the averages.

  81. Hunter

    I have only one word to say about the club,the team,the manager,the coaching staff,the Owner,the board,our performances,the silence at the Emirates on match day,our ambitions,our shite Manager in fact everything about us at the moment and that word is PATHETIC ! Nuff said!

  82. Ughelligunner

    Reliable, lol.

    I was telling my man u pal that if wenger is under pressure to appease the fans he buys want he doesn’t really want. And it seems like he uses the said player to punish us. Like this was what you so wanted enjoy.

    He bought Ozil, after looking hard for a striker and then because the fans and media were impatient.

    He bought welbeck after looking so hard for a defender and appeased the fans by giving them a man utd workman.

    I hardly accuse our players, but i hate blaming one for the other, that’s when i start ranting. Apologies

    its like people blaming wenger for Podolsky and then asking the question why did wenger sign him, when he was important at the time of signing. But they forgot the cloth has started fading.

    Players are bought with a good reason, and at the time they were of importance but it gets to a stage where they loose that spark they once had, and that’s when you cut lose.

    This is what big clubs do.

  83. salparadisenyc

    “One central midfielder is not going to be enough”

    Think Bielik kills this train of thought. We’ve been linked with SO many players to anchor the mid. In effect Wenger never replaced Gilberto, been a series of players being played out of position or long range punts to fill the space. Schneiderlin links abound but not sure I see it at the 25-30m. Wenger is sooooooo reticent to spend big on anything other than the business end. Even then its a cat fight barring a #10 type.

    Otherwise I think Alonso / MVilla / Bender / Carvalho or the like would of been signed at this stage.

  84. MidwestGun

    My Anaconda don’t want none hon….. unless Baby got Bouncebackabilty.

    Wish Everton wasn’t our Bouncebackabilty game tho.

    Anyhow…… nerds everywhere are sad……redneck nerds are raising their PBR and saluting with a split V finger salute.

    V……..R.I.P. Mr. Spock. Guess your mission to explore strange new worlds took a new path.

  85. Hitman49

    HER: They say we’re young and we don’t know
    We won’t find out until we grow
    HIM: Well I don’t know if all that’s true
    ‘Cause you got me, and baby I got you

    HIM: Babe
    BOTH: I got you babe
    I got you babe

    HER: They say our love won’t pay the rent
    Before it’s earned, our money’s all been spent
    HIM: I guess that’s so, we don’t have a pot
    But at least I’m sure of all the things we got

    HIM: Babe
    BOTH: I got you babe
    I got you babe

    HIM: I got flowers in the spring
    I got you to wear my ring
    HER: And when I’m sad, you’re a clown
    And if I get scared, you’re always around

  86. igbo Amadi-Obi

    We like it when you guys cheer a lot. Whether the 60,000 of you who make it to the Emirates stand, sit or squat to cheer, is not a big worry to the millions of us across the world who watch on TV. Unless you provide some science that says cheering is louder when you stand. Otherwise, just make sure to cheer so much we will have to raise the volume to the 70s to hear the commentator.

    You mentioned we needed a guy called Dybala or something the other day. Or is he one for the next winter window?

  87. MidwestGun

    Not gonnna lie, little worried about Everton considering our mental fragility. Evertons League form has been pretty bad but they are coming off a solid European performance. And Lukaku is a lot like Giroud but he is in form and could give us fits.
    Only good thing is Everton’s defending has been pretty terrible and Tim Howard is trying to retire early… me thinks.
    Battle of mentally fragile teams, imo.

  88. salparadisenyc

    TYGN

    Ahern exposed himself in public, then on twitter…..repeatedly.
    Immediate binning.

    Redtruth
    Defining moment for our top four trophy, i’d argue our defining moment for the season was on Sept 1, pressing on w/ Flamteta which essentially means pressing on w/ Wenger. Shot ourselves in the foot at the starting gate.

  89. MidwestGun

    Defining moment was AW’s 3 year extension. As far as this season it was not signing a left sided CB replacement this summer and rolling with an Achille’s injured Kos and Monreal who was covering for a often injured Gibbs as well. Although you could say the defining moment was Arteta’s last match limping off the pitch hence bringing on Le Coq.

    But as far as this Sunday, still think we have the better run in for the coveted 4th place trophy. So not sure if it’s defining but it would suck to lose and be stuck in amongst the rabble.

  90. Lee

    Ahern

    Why a laugh.
    You boys have no humour
    Did arsenal lose this week?
    Oh…… Shit someone lost a football match.
    Anyway
    Nice post today pedro
    Been positive for a while despite Wednesday. Great to see.
    Someone’s getting laid

  91. Lee

    Yeah mid cos if he signed another centre half our season would have panned out so differently
    Look I actually like AW but he’s made to many mistakes and let too many opportunitys slip by these last two seasons
    Defining moment was letting CESC JOIN THE CHAVS.
    All down hill after that.

  92. MidwestGun

    Lee –
    Well it’s definately subjective. But it’s more about a “top” manager ignoring the obvious. So like I said it could be ignoring an aging Arteta and Flamini and Le Coq suddenly being relevant when Arteta limped off.

  93. Lee

    Defining moment was still allowing CESC to join Chelsea.
    Just like allowing RvP to join United was the defining moment of 12-13
    May as well hand out rivals the title.

  94. Dream10

    Midwest

    Good point on Arteta. You have to think as the club captain, AW will give him a one year extension as soon as he returns

  95. Lee

    If he brought CESC home he would be our captain
    He would dominate midfield in big games consistently as opposed to walking around looking like earth worm Jim
    Ozil I’m talking to you

  96. ArseneBgone

    There ya go again Pedrita slamming Ospina. Cupcake if you actually get a clue then please by all means type it down, but this flip floppery of yours is atrocious to say the least, take care buttercup

  97. MidwestGun

    Lee –
    Fair points but then that goes back to my first sentence. AW’s 3 year extension. But when I remember this season I will remember Arteta limping off and Monreal lining up at CB.

  98. Cesc Appeal

    ‘Diaby is progressing in training, step-by-step, but he is not in a position to play yet,’ Wenger said.

    ‘I will have to talk to him soon (about his contract). I plan to do it in March.’

    Hahahahahahahaha

  99. Cesc Appeal

    Said all along, Wenger will wait for a bit of form, maybe 10 minutes playing time right at the end of the season from Diaby and he will be given a new deal.

  100. Cesc Appeal

    And there will be your midfield ‘enforcer’ for next season. A 29 year old player who hasn’t managed 90 minutes in two seasons.

    Wilshere, Ramsey, Coquelin and Diaby…wait for it.

  101. Lee

    Yeah well. I give in. He needs to to possess a certain type of player to win the league.
    Type who will organise during games for him: the type to see what’s happening on the pitch and alter it, personally and collectively.
    All of his successful teams possessed that type of player in droves.
    He hasn’t had that type of player since RvP left. Barring alexis. Maybe.
    It’s obvious now that sting those defining matches of his golden era
    The likes of Adams known vieira Henry and Campbell made in game decisions without his authority.
    It is the only conclusion I can draw. Previous teams had authority and better decision making capabilities

  102. MidwestGun

    Lee –
    True. But he couldn’t win with RVP and Cesc either. But ya…. a distinct lack of leadership when the going gets tough is very obvious. Mert was embarassing.