Mourinho embarrasses himself for the bigger picture

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Will have to race through this today because I have a mad busy day pitching.

So, first up, the Arsenal win juggernaut continues to power on at pace. The Palace game didn’t look pretty, but we did what we needed to do to take the three points. There weren’t many magical highlights for me, but there’s that unease watching Ospina flap about. I’m glad he’s been given a run, but I’m just sad he’ll probably have to drop a giant clanger before he’s removed. What he did in injury time, when he flew out to tip a cross away, was, well, pretty poor tekkers. He’s just not the ticket for me… frame aside, I think he lacks quite a lot of the top level basic skills.

Other good news? Well, teams dropping points all over the place. United dropped 3, Spurs dropped one against West Ham which kind of works and Chelsea opened the door for us in the title challenge. All exciting stuff. We’re pushing hard for third now. In the driving seat if you consider our fixtures list.

… and United. Superb eh? Hopefully that result at Swansea asks more questions of a squad being brutalised by a man with ego and power on the mind, over putting a system in place that the players can work to.

What other mega bits have we to clear up today? Oh, how about Jose on Soccer Saturday? I do like to listen to him, but that little act of petulance was really not befitting of a top flight manager. When you earn that sort of cash, have that sort of rep, you shouldn’t be hijacking TV programmes to push your messaging. It was car crash at times. He slagged Wenger unprovoked. Whether he was right or not, I have no idea why he felt the need to open up old wounds. Then he slated Sky for going on at his players when his boys suffer hard tackles. Just all felt a little surreal considering how nasty his players can be.

Jose uses slots like yesterday to gain a psychological advantage on opposition teams. That little show yesterday was about making referees fear making decisions against his players. He’s been trying to hammer referees for a while. I hope they stand strong. Refs should be independent and they shouldn’t fear managers trying to game the system.

Mourinho and his behaviour off the pitch is why he couldn’t land a job at Barca. That’s why a team like United will probably never sign him. He damages institutions to gain some extra percentage points. I don’t think I’d like him at Arsenal. A winner, sure, but he’s not a patch on Guardiola in my eyes.

Tonight, the club are launching the invincibles documentary. That’s going to be one of those things you watch when you’re having a down week. Whenever I watch stuff on that team, it takes you to another place. When Arsenal are doing well, it feels like you’re doing well in every area of your life. So many fond memories!

The AST also have Raphael Honigstein at their event this evening, worth paying the membership fee alone. If you get the chance to head down, I’m sure there will be a truck load of insight into Arsenal’s German players as well as what they do differently over in the Bundesliga!

Final point, that I don’t want to labour on, is Wenger and his use of tactics. There was a piece by Hoddle about using prozone back in the day to analyse teams and their approaches. A lot of people have used this snippet to showcase that our manager is really into analysis.

Look, firstly, there are plenty of player quotes around that point to our lack of preparation, but here’s the best way to know whether we do it… look at what you’ve seen on the pitch over the past 10 years. Look at the surprise on the pundits faces when we turned over City. Using a version of Prozone was big in the eighties, but hey, Super Mario Brothers on a black and white Gameboy was also state of the art back then, you wouldn’t put that infront of an 8 yaer old these days and expect a high five. If you don’t upgrade your tech, the way you think and the way you utilise that data, it’s all pretty pointless.

… and, if you think he is using tactics and data to its maximum, well, even more cause for concern, because you’re basically saying he’s doing it really f*cking badly.

Right, that’s me done. Have a mega day!

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  1. Leedsgunner

    Great post Rhys @1720 … source? Swiss Ramble? Sounds like his sort of thing.

    In short — we have the money we need to spend it wisely.

  2. Willow Wilson

    ROP
    I agree we need a couple more elite players. Wenger will buy but he will also mix experience with youth.

    All other clubs will have to do this with the FFP restrictions in place, the days of Chelsea and Man City’s owners buying the 12 best players is over. This is the main reason Mourinho has spent the last couple of seasons moaning about money; having to sell to buy, FFP, Man City, Wenger etc, he’s obsessed. He knows he will have to prove himself not on a level playing field but one where his small club are disadvantaged. Game changing times for the cheque book bully.

    We are in a strong position.Last two seasons we have bought 2 world class players. Season on season will be the same because we can afford to do this now. Be interesting to see because I think the club has done a fantastic job in growing the club under difficult circumstances and payback time is around the corner. The next ten years will see Arsenal as probably England’s top club, battling once again with Manchester Utd, while Chelsea regress. There will be a levelling out. Chelsea do not have the infrastructure to maintain the temporary blip the oil money and their billion pound debt delivered for what was, 20 odd years ago, a second division yo-yo club.

    Every dog has its day. Football is cyclic but the FFP regulations will help the clubs built on sustainability, with the biggest revenues. Mourinho will be long gone then but you will still hear him moaning somewhere about a conspiracy.

  3. Nasri's Mouth

    @RP

    Just my idea on it. If Walcott goes, we lose a lot of goals, so I think we’ll bring in someone who’s a goal scorer rather than promote someone like Gnabry who chances are wont give us the same goal threat.

    I think Wenger has something for Szczesny too. Especially as finding a better keeper might not be that easy

  4. MidwestGun

    Leeds –
    Lol… don’t think you have anything to worry about. I basically just call it like I see it. It’s my opinion wrong or right. And I treat people the way they behave towards me for the most part. Don’t no why that gets some people worked up.
    Anyhow, facilities aren’t covered under FfP I don’t think. So it would be a good way to attract top players with the best facilities,

  5. london gunner

    If Walcott is off.

    Then we need to do everything in our power to secure Reus.

    Gnarby sorry, but enough with project youth, Its the dawn if project World Class.

    We don’t need to be a nanny club for potential talents. We should emulate Chelsea’s model under Maurinho because it will actually lead to trophies now rather than possibly or possibly not in 5/6 years or longer.

  6. Nasri's Mouth

    Leedsgunner: Maybe they’ll name the new complex the Abou Diaby Centre…. 😉

    At the end of the season, he’s going to shot, stuffed and mounted on a plinth.

    When the expansion to the centre is finished, he’ll have pride of place in the foyer

  7. Lee

    There are no eagles in Ireland.
    Do
    You think I’m anti Irish now?
    Your definition of a troll is what??
    Something along the lines of
    A person or persons who seeks to interfere, harass or bully someone with differing views via internet sites?
    Well as I said, you addressed me.
    Not the other way around.
    God
    Internet wierdos man I shit em

  8. Leedsgunner

    Nasri

    “At the end of the season, he’s going to shot, stuffed and mounted on a plinth. When the expansion to the centre is finished, he’ll have pride of place in the foyer”

    He’ll accomplish in death what he could never do in life… stand for more than 10 minutes in an Arsenal shirt without injuring something. 😉

  9. MidwestGun

    “So I wound him up.”
    _____________
    Definition of a troll. Also, they usually use provocative or false names or multiple identities.
    Come to a specific website with the intent to provoke not have a legitimate discussion. If you need an example just read anything Marble has ever written.

  10. Willow Wilson

    London Gunner
    “Balotelli was always going to be a gamble. Soldaldo was a terrible purchase
    Falcao also was a poor decision”

    Hindsight is a wonderful thing, eh?

    How do you know Tevez would not have flopped like the others? You don’t.

    It is easy for us to sit here using hindsight and speculation to try to prove a point. However, the Facts speak for themselves. Giroud has out performed the players some Arsenal fans wanted to sign, who cost two or three times as much.

    Some Arsenal fans were so insulting to Giroud, that they feel unable to admit they were wrong. Some people cannot do that because they feel they are always right. They fell into the trap of believing the transfer fee reflected the player.

    That is my point.

    It is a team game and whilst Giroud is no Henry (who is) he is an important player and a lot better than a lot of idiots want to admit.

  11. Leedsgunner

    London @17562

    Agree wholeheartedly. Although Reus’ recent injury record concerns me. Memphis Depay is another player who I think could ably replace Walcott.

  12. Lee

    Yeah!!! Sooo
    Mate this site I just one massive wind up
    Wob AKB whatever
    It’s happening on here constantly.
    Wound you up pretty good too didn’t I mucka???

    Don’t get your panties in a bunch princess

  13. Frankie T

    Seeing the comments regarding theo being off. I didn’t envisage welbeck being first choice when giroud sanchez and theo were all fit but looks like wenger has finally found what he believes is his best 11. Now theo can either work to get back in the team or sulk however I would be gutted to see him go after how much he’s improved over the last two years. Ox is another one who will need to work hard to get back in. Now seeing that cazorla and ozil can play together with santi playing deeper next to coq Wilshere and ramsey will struggle to get back in.

    So point is this, remember when we made no signings three years ago and wenger came out with a ploy to make it look like we had by re-signing the British core and posing for photos? The result is this

    Wilshere – bench
    Ramsey – bench
    Ox – bench
    Gibbs – bench
    Jenks – loan
    Walcott – bench (although he wasn’t part of the photo)

  14. MidwestGun

    Ok then….. maturity level is high, I can see. Stand by my original statement.

    Story telling wind up merchant. Nice work. So please refrain from addressing me again if you don’t want me to tell you the truth. But if you are going to say something in a public forum you might expect a response.

  15. london gunner

    “How do you know Tevez would not have flopped like the others? You don’t.”

    Well lets see.

    1 Premier League Proven
    2 Prolific striker with a well rounded game. That has both played in a counter attacking format man united and a possession based format man city
    3 very physically durable, hardly gets injured

    Sure if he was a poacher/injury prone striker/ nut case then he would be a liability, but he was pretty much as close to a safe bet/no brainer as you could have.

    “However, the Facts speak for themselves. Giroud has out performed the players some Arsenal fans wanted to sign, who cost two or three times as much.”

    Yes, but not the ones I have mentioned. Which is exactly my point. That there were better players out there and we should in,fact have bought them.

    So because Giroud has outperformed some average strikers it means he should be our first striker? That’s really setting the bar low isn’t it?

    Yes it is a team game which is exactly why we need the best individual components to make the overall mechanism of our play more efficient more superior.

  16. Ozy

    I’m glad to see Dortmund’s resurgence. Currently sitting at 12th, 10 points away from 4th with 12 games to go. Kind of a pipe dream at this point but I’m not looking forward to what the loss of champions league revenue will do to them.

  17. Willow Wilson

    Goondawg

    I agree.

    Have you seen the Cahill tackle on Aluku, the Hull player?

    Chelsea are making a big issue to try to influence referees and to also remove the hostility regarding the racism issue.

    Chelsea are making things worse. Horrible club from top to bottom.

  18. Goondawg

    Giroud bought for 9.6m and putting the numbers of a top goal scorer yet people still love to complain. The bloke came in late 20s broke through and already has 50 goals for the arsenal. Constantly improving as well. Got fatigued last year with no viable back up and allegations of his sex life derailed him. Broke his leg and out for huge part of the first half, yet has come back even stronger.

    I don’t believe we cannot win the league with Giroud. I personally believe with a healthy squad we can do it. Giroud is instrumental to how we play now, with the dimension addition in regards to his physical presence and his hold up lay. Also arsenal have the most headed goals out of all the teams in the last two seasons, and that is down to the Giroud factor.

    Would I prefer a better striking option ideally to propel us to CL glory. Well ofc, but then I wouldn’t mind an upgrade on many of our positions (CB, RB, LB,DM, CM,RW etc) but alas we make do with what we got

    Scoring goals isn’t the problem. Proven by Girouds 8 in 11 appearances. The problem is maintainimg fitness and our approach to big games

    I love how Gambon got put down by claiming Austin, Kane and Cisse are better than Giroud cos they scored more. Totally neglecting the fact they have played more minutes. Giroud broke his leg in August mate. He came back December

    Kane was 13 EPL goals in 88 shots in 24 games.

    Giroud has 8 EPL goals in 30 shots in 15 games.

  19. Thomas

    “We are in a strong position.Last two seasons we have bought 2 world class players.”

    ___________

    You forgot that little detail where we have a clueless failure in charge.

  20. MidwestGun

    Our biggest problem at the moment in my mind is our ability to maintain a lead late into the second half once we call off our attack/counter attack. We
    seem to switch off, and then panic when we concede. I think it’s a combination of personnel, substitutes, and game prep.

  21. Wallace

    Marble

    look at Liverpool. unable to attract top players, and struggling to pay their best player – Sterling – a salary that ourselves and six or seven others could easily afford. Champions League money matters.

  22. Willow Wilson

    London

    You cannot argue a point using speculation or hindsight, mate!! Seriously, that’s not how you prove a point because it is unproveable.

    Forget Tevez or how good you think he would have been, that’s your guess.

    Forget what you call ‘average’ strikers – if they were so average why did Arsenal fans want to sign them and claim they were better than Giroud?

    My point remains, some fans base a players ability on their price tag.

    Soldado was £26m, Balotelli £17m and Falcao £45m. All these players were demanded by some Arsenal fans, who claimed they were all better than Giroud. Now they are labelled average, only because they have flopped.

    FACTS show they weren’t better and that a lot of fans made themselves look silly with their endless Giroud is crap campaign. He isn’t crap, he is a very good player who deserves more respect from a section of fans who cannot admit they can ever be wrong. If you are judging him against TR14, then that is unfair because I doubt we will see another like him.

  23. Ozy

    Marble, my sweet, sweet Marble.. because of you, I feel no rain for you are my shelter. I feel no cold for you are my warmth. We are two persons with only one life before us. We can ride out the storms when clouds hide the face of the sun in ours lives – remembering that even if we lose sight of it for a moment, the sun is still there.

  24. Ozy

    Okay, I believe Giroud is decent as much as the next guy… but where did all of these Giroud fanboys come from? Is it cause he’s in a somewhat decent run of form?

  25. Lee

    Fuck, why would I address you?
    All I need to do is fart and you come running with your dick out.

    Can’t get enough can you Midwest??
    Anyway you’re a cunt
    So is Anelka
    Jew hating bastard

  26. MarbleHall

    Scoring goals is a problem for Arsenal just take a look at our last few games and then tell me Arsenal have not a problem.
    Arsenal haven’t carved open or created goals, most goals have come through refereeing blunders or opposition defenders unwittingly making mistakes

  27. Lee

    Marble, my sweet, sweet Marble.. because of you, I feel no rain for you are my shelter. I feel no cold for you are my warmth. We are two persons with only one life before us. We can ride out the storms when clouds hide the face of the sun in ours lives – remembering that even if we lose sight of it for a moment, the sun is still there.

    That’s poetic.
    Is she your own?

  28. gambon

    Jesus

    This guy goondawg is just lucking numbers out of the air to support his biased agenda.

    Kane has played 24 matches? Erm no he hasn’t.

    He has also scored 14, not 13 and that’s 22 matches.

    Stop lying to suit your agenda.

  29. DOROBUCCI

    Hmmm,I thought players are blasted here when they are having purple patches? Why giroud hating when the lad is banging them in? .If he even starts penalty for us he might have caught up with some players by now.

  30. MarbleHall

    The Oalace game another dubious penalty snd an offside goal.
    A good team would have sliced Palace apart on the counter attack but with the lumbering Giroud leading the line it is impossible.

  31. Willow Wilson

    Goondawg

    I have a feeling that gambon bloke isn’t being honest with people on here. He seems to deliberately say controversial things for reaction. Like Thomas
    and Marble.

    As you say, Giroud has proved he is far better than a lot of his detractors will admit. They know they have egg on their faces, so they are just saving face. It takes a big man to admit he has made a mistake.

    Arsenal have the highest number of goalscorers in the league. We share the goals around. Giroud has an important part to play in that. He gets his fair share of goals too. Under rated, several top players have said that. If fans would rather save face than accept they were wrong you have to let them keep digging that hole.

    What a fantastic signing at under £10m, worth every penny and more.

  32. Lee

    GAMBON

    I make goondawg right

    Giroud came into the game late along with Ferdinand and wright
    Look how good they got.
    Kane is having a fine season but do you remember Rohan rickets or Kevin Davies or Jon stead or paul kitson???

    All promised more than they could deliver at the top level.
    Giroud had improved consistently
    And Cis contributing more than his goal tally suggests.
    For 9.6 million he’s outdoing soldado benteke Andy Carroll and lukaku

    The grass isn’t always greener
    Ask hleb, song, Anelka, petit, cesc, flamini etc

  33. Goondawg

    Lol Giroud Fanboys. 50 goals scored for Arsenal is an amazing feat. For someone who is clearly not Henry or Bergkamp level

    Fact is if any English striker scored 8 goals in the last ten appearances then the media would be bumlicking so much to fawningly disgusting levels, but because it’s Giroud he continues to be underrated, slated, pretty much swept under the carpet really

    It’s just sad, our own fans can’t appreciate what Giroud does. Which is score goals. Which is what we want from a striker. Who we purchased for peanuts

    Lol I swear Kane got like 10 goals alone from playing inferior opposition I’ve never even heard of in the Europa league. Compare Girouds goals per minutes ratio then Gambon if you wish to your beloved Uniteds strike force this season. Warning you may get a heart attack..

  34. MidwestGun

    Lee –
    Haha. Your actually getting kind of sad, your just proving my points about trolling and maturity.
    But carry on… maybe you will grow up someday and you can join the adults at the big table.

  35. charlie watts

    For all i care, walcott can leave. I love the guy to bits but he just doesn’t bring enough to the starting 11. Great player to bring off the bench but his finishing just isn’t good enough nor is his final pass. He’s injury prone and quite frankly a massive pussy! Id cash in and look at reus.

  36. BacaryisGod

    After watching a few Soton games this season, surely the player who most fits the DM role is Wanyama not Schneiderlin? I like them both but Schneiderlin seems more in the Cazorla/RamseyWilshere mode and Wanyama more like Coquelin.

    If we need to replace ‘Flarteta’ then it would be Wanyama, unless Arsene is looking to modify Schneiderlin ‘s current role to a more defensive one.

  37. gambon

    50 goals an amazing feat?

    Seriously?

    In a team that sacrifices all defensive stability to fill the team with number 10s?

    He has played every single minute when fit, and scored almost all of his goals against the shittest teams the league has to offer.

    It would be almost impossible NOT to score 50 in those circumstances.

    And you’re talking about how amazing it is?

    The most he has scored for us is 22….that’s not amazing

    The most league goals he has scored is 16….that’s not amazing.

    He is scoring at 1 in 2.32

    For a striker in his prime years that is definitely not amazing.

  38. nasri's mouth

    @Spanishdave

    Kroenke isn’t that rich compared to Roman, the sheiks, or Usmanov.

    While he ‘could’ pay it off, he certainly couldn’t do it easily

  39. MidwestGun

    Pardon Me??
    Can’t get enough can you Midwest??
    Anyway you’re a cunt
    So is Anelka
    Jew hating bastard
    ________
    So you don’t read your own shit? Ok if you don’t bother to read your own comments, I won’t either.

  40. BacaryisGod

    One quick comment on Gambon and the beating he’s taken on here today. Usually, he goes full negative when we’re struggling but most of his fairweather followers aren’t showing up as we’re in the middle of a good run. His timing is off and he’s looking a little isolated right now.

    Don’t be surprised if we end up 0-0 against Monaco in the first leg. Arsene knows conceding at home can be deadly and a 0-0 result isn’t a terrible result in the knockout stages. Still, if Berbatov plays, expect to see a very high Asenal defensive line and the first 20 minutes of intense pressure. If the hold us to 0-0 at the half, we might just focus on not conceding that crucial away goal,

  41. MidwestGun

    Kwik –
    # freeKeyser…. he loves hash tags. Lol and lol’s

    I think Pedro said he’s free to return. He’s probably just sitting back laughing at all the perceived stupid comments.

  42. Lee

    Haha comedian
    You’ll be patrolling as usual.
    Until you spy something that totally info he’s your moral code of conduct.
    Should have been a traffic warden mate. You really must have zero authority away from you dingy basement laptop

  43. BacaryisGod

    I wouldn’t blame Keyser for not returning after his sin bin considering the amount of abuse others have got away with unpunpages on here.

  44. Goondawg

    “This guy goondawg is just lucking numbers out of the air to support his biased agenda”

    Lol Gambon sincere apologies for the quantitive updates I’ll leave it to you next time buddy ok?

  45. gambon

    Has Keyser been banned?

    Haha that would be funny.

    He’s a clever guy but literally exists to argue. Doesn’t actually seem to have an opinion, just has a go at everyone for theirs.

  46. MidwestGun

    I have authority over my own life and what I say. That’s good enough for me.
    Plus… it’s a tablet. So lucky for you I’m mobile anywhere there is 4g, which is basically everywhere. Modern technology.

  47. Goondawg

    “Bring back Keyser I say to add some intellect to Le Grove”

    Hear that

    BacaryIsGod

    I agree with your post, some here such as Bamford like to bleat about Schneiderlin like-for-like replacing Coquelin. Yet it’s Wanyama that’s the ball winner in that Southampton team. Schneiderlin has been playing more of a box to box role like Ramsey did last year for us. Good player, but not sure if he is what we need without sacrificing some

  48. carts

    Wallace – its not that Liverpool CAN NOT AFFORD to pay Sterling £120k p/w, its more a conscious decision not to bend to his demands considering that he’s a young player performing above expectation.

    We, for some weird reason, increased Ramsey’s earning well into the £100k pw bracket based off of him having an elevated 12 months. He hasn’t even looked like a £50k pw player since.

    Lastly, I don’t think paying Sterling so much would help dressing room energy.

  49. london gunner

    William welson

    “You cannot argue a point using speculation or hindsight, mate!! Seriously, that’s not how you prove a point because it is unproveable.”

    Are you new to this blog then?

    Of course you can argue a point on speculation because the basis of that is opinion. This is a forum where people argue different view points i.e opinions.

    I have given you various variables to as to why Tevez would have been successful.
    I would argue just through probability there is more chance he would have performed well at Arsenal than not because he performed to a very high standard at both man united and city who play very different football and now juventus showing his got great adaptability.

    Of course I cannot guarantee to you hundred percent that tevez would ahve been a sucess just as you can’t not hundred percent prove he would have not been. All we can look at is the various different factors at play and look the possibilities e.g likelihood. If you consider what I have told you it is more likely that tevez wold have succeeded than failed.

    “some fans base a players ability on their price tag.”

    “forget what you call ‘average’ strikers – if they were so average why did Arsenal fans want to sign them and claim they were better than Giroud?”

    This is irrelevant you keep discussing other fans when this discussion is between me and you. Not other fans.

    I have already told you my first picks were bony and tevez. They have so far massively outperformed Giroud.

    Is Giroud a good player? Yes! Does that mean we shouldn’t improve where we can? No.

    Giroud is good for some premier league games, but in Europe we need top class to compete the best of them. People keep reciting his goal scoring stats without factoring in that most of them are tap ins from being unmarked we wont get these opportunities from the european powerhousses.

    Also people who are now saying GIROUD>KANE

    Have to factor in that Kane is creating his own goals half the time which is something Giroud is utterly incapable off. If Kane was in Arsenal its a fair shout to say he would be getting in those tap ins that Giroud is as well as adding loads of his own created goals to boot.

  50. Nasri's Mouth

    london gunner: Of course you can argue a point on speculation because the basis of that is opinion

    No, you can have an opinion based on speculation, but to argue it you need to back it up with evidence, which is not speculation. If it’s speculation, then you’re just…err…speculating

    london gunner: Have to factor in that Kane is creating his own goals half the time

    Is he ? He’s very good at being in the right spot at the right time, I’m not sure he creates much himself. Still, you could back up your argument with evidence, rather than speculation.

    (I’m not knocking Kane by the way, I think he’s going to be an excellent player, mores the pity)

  51. charlie watts

    Lacazette is a young lad, goals in ligue 1 for a very average lyon team who are up the top of the league. 2 points here, why dont we sign him before psg do? And what other European top class players are there that are better than giroud that we could actually attract?

  52. london gunner

    Goondawg

    “I agree with your post, some here such as Bamford like to bleat about Schneiderlin like-for-like replacing Coquelin. Yet it’s Wanyama that’s the ball winner in that Southampton team. Schneiderlin has been playing more of a box to box role like Ramsey did last year for us”

    Thats why schneiderlin averages 3.1 tackles a game and wanyama 2.8?

    Schneiderlin is a complete no brainer. Top class defensive game as well as the passing ability/tempo setting/holding skills of arteta in his prime.

  53. Wallace

    carts

    “its not that Liverpool CAN NOT AFFORD to pay Sterling £120k p/w, its more a conscious decision not to bend to his demands considering that he’s a young player performing above expectation. ”

    i think paying him what he wants stretches them. and surely a side that’s just lost its best player should be trying like hell to avoid a repeat? it’s like when Walcott had us over a barrel after we’d lost Cesc & Nasri. like it or not, in todays market Sterling’s easily worth 120pw.

  54. Wallace

    london

    other than in the last 45mins i don’t ever recall you talking up Bony & Tevez.

    and let’s give Kane longer than 4mths of good form before we crown him King, eh?

  55. london gunner

    Nasri Mouth

    I find your comment very humorous and ironic as countless times I provide stats on here. Often times these stats are dismissed and opinions given prevalence over the data I provide. Indeed I am often called at as to focused on using statistical data as the basis of my arguments.

    I also find your comment hypocritical as your one of the posters who rarely use statistical data in your comments. So should I presume none of your arguments are worthwhile on that basis?

    you can’t have it both ways pick on someone’s argument because they have not used statistical evidence in one instance when you rarely do yourself.

    I will say this though! Do some research look at Tevez career/stats at man u city and then juventus and that supports the argument that tevez is a better player in numerous teams which goes a long way to show he could have been a real force for us.

    As for Kane just look at the goals he scores nearly half of them are him dribbling round at least one player and scoring from a fair distance/tight angle. These are self created goals because its not an obvious opportunity rather that some work has to be done by the individual to fashion that opportunity.

    Just watch some footie! 😉

  56. london gunner

    Wallace

    It matters little what you remeber, but what I do as I am the one who has mentioned it.

    I also don’t mention it all the time as that would be bizaare instead I mention it during transfer windows as such conversation is more often on the agenda.

    P.S. Ask Wenger Eagle about Tevez he will tell you I am massive fan and have been championing him for ages.

  57. Goondawg

    Thats why schneiderlin averages 3.1 tackles a game and wanyama 2.8?

    And Mile Jedinak tops em both. Shall we champion him too?

    Like I said, I like Schneiderlin, don’t see Wenger blowing out 25 mill on him, unless he is replacing Arteta. But this is Wenger so get ready for Milner on a free.

  58. Nasri's Mouth

    london gunner: As for Kane just look at the goals he scores nearly half of them are him dribbling round at least one player and scoring from a fair distance/tight angle.

    He hits a fair few from distance, if that’s what you mean by creating a few himself, then fair enough, but he’s more of a poacher. He doesn’t really dribble round players.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIREXUUScBw

    This isn’t up to date, but he doesn’t dribble round anyone here

  59. london gunner

    Kane Giroud

    Dribbles

    1.5 v 0.3

    Unskilled touch

    1.9 v 1.7

    Pass success

    75.8 vs 64.64

    shooting accuracy

    58% vs 50

    goals per min

    0.71 vs 0.91

    I am not trying to argue that Kane is even that good, rather that this is Kane’s break out season and this is Girouds third season and yet Kane is edging Giroud in the stats despite the lack of experience at the top…. I mean Kane is hardly the next thiery but a fairly competent striker so Giroud should be killing him.

    Girouds highest tally is 22 goals in a season and Kane at 21 years of age playing for lowly tottenham has equalled that and is will beat that record.

  60. Goondawg

    Anyone who has watched Southampton will know, Wanyama plays deeper than Schneiderlin and swoops up cleaning behind him. Whilst Schneiderlin can sometimes be seen inching forward often. Popping up in the box and scoring a few. Doesn’t matter whether he averages 0.3 more tackles than Wanyama per game, kinda funny you tar the people who recite Girouds stats but paint your post with a similar brush

    But London Gunner, it’s fine we all know you would want another Song. So I’m not surprised. Schneiderlin could do a job for us.

  61. MidwestGun

    What happened to everyone saying we pre-signed Schneiderlin, so they were ok with not signing anyone in January. So Bielik is the replacement? Hmmm if we are gonna rely on him next season we will be in trouble most likely. Like giving the keys to your Ferrari to a 12 year old.

    I personally don’t care whether it’s specifically Schneiderlin but we need midfield cdm or btb depth that can be a starter because relying on Santi or JW after Ramsey’s inevitable injury every year isn’t working for me. Altho, admittedly Santi has been really good as of lately. And Coq is basically our only option at cdm worth a damn at the moment.

  62. london gunner

    Nasri

    Your doing a keyser and getting weighed down in tiny minute detail and completely missing the bigger picture.

    I will just sum it up Giroud at 27 has managed 22 goals in a season playing for Arsenal.

    Kane has scored 22 goals at 21 playing for tottenham.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37VykklQZg8

    3 dribbled goals as well as 3 long distance

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37VykklQZg8

    1 dribbled goal/long distance and 2 long distance

    Then there are the penalties he wins which are self created goals.

    (I don’t have an accurate number, but lets say a cautious estimate of 2-3)

    12 self created goals…

    Giroud maybe has 1 or two..

  63. Goondawg

    Lol London Gunner

    0.91 vs 0.71 goals per minute

    Is a stat favourable FOR Giroud ..

    Also he has played 7 matches less than Kane. So roughly less than half his minutes. Is it fair to predict how many he would have gotten without injury?

  64. london gunner

    Goondawg

    The irony is I don’t disagree with this at all

    “Anyone who has watched Southampton will know, Wanyama plays deeper than Schneiderlin and swoops up cleaning behind him. Whilst Schneiderlin can sometimes be seen inching forward often. Popping up in the box and scoring a few”

    But the point is that’s not even schneidelin’s job and yet he is managing to have the highest tackle rate/winning the ball back rate in the league despite this. Would you not then conclude that perhaps that shows what a top top player is and how the defensive aspect of his game is serious quality. So why not take the next step and realise schneidelin is a premier league proven player, with amazing defensive qualities that he has the passing game and technical ability to fit into arsenal and that flamini and arteta are both past it. His also french which is a minor bonus, but a bonus all the same when a sizeable chunk of your back four is french.

    Its just such a no brainer. Lets fucking get him!

    P.S Song would have been preferable to the nothing we did bring in. I imagine we would have been a few points higher if we took Song on loan as his been absolutely massive for west ham (FOR MOST OF THE SEASON)

  65. london gunner

    Goondawg

    it was a typo meant the other way round.

    Look you can love Giroud all you like, but Harry Kane whose nowhere near a great player is beating his scoring record at 21 in his first real season for spurs. LOLZ

  66. Goondawg

    Kane scored about ten of those goals against some bullshit dinamo crapsky teams I’ve never heard of from the deepest darkest depths of Eastern Europe. At home. So bit unfair to compare the goal records of both these players just yet. Kane has done well. For 6 months. Let’s not pretend he’s WC yet or even Shearer incarnate until he does it consistently. Fair enough he’s a young lad and he’s doing well, but as a Spud I can’t tolerate this fawning over him

  67. Leedsgunner

    I’m not Olivier favourite fan but even I am happy to give credit where credit is due.

    The man is playing well, especially after a long injury. Kudos to him.

    He’s not the WC striker that we need but as long as he’s putting the ball in the net, the man should be left alone. End of.

  68. london gunner

    “Also he has played 7 matches less than Kane. So roughly less than half his minutes. Is it fair to predict how many he would have gotten without injury?”

    You’d be wrong, a small match sample size can inflate a strikers/players stats as it is harder to keep those stats up over a longer period. Look at ronaldo he started the season with something crazy like 12 in 11 games and now he has just scored after a 3 game drought.

  69. kwik fit

    Mourinho also said something on Sunday which never got highlighted but perhaps is the biggest proof that he’s a top class tosser. When asked about Lampard he said he could have come back to Chelsea and picked any role he wanted. Yet since he decided to go to City he wasn’t sure if this was still an option. The Lampard situation has obviously caused Mourinho considerable annoyance .

  70. Goondawg

    LG I’ve never said I would object to the signing of Schneiderlin, I just think some people are slightly misguided when they expect him to replace Coquelin, who is excelling in the ball winning defensive aspects of the game you clamour to give great importance to. In terms of distribution Arteta shades Schneiderlin but I think his physicality and mobility makes him a prime candidate to replace him

    And no thanks to Song, did you not see him trip up Kane conceding a stupid pen the other day? Even proper Hammers have become irritated at his lackadaisical approach to defending in recent times

  71. london gunner

    Goondawg

    People often misinterpret my argument. I have often think its on purpose in the case of Keyser, but I sense its a genuine misunderstanding with you.

    I don’t think Kane is WC I don’t even think his all that good just decent, but that to me highlights how inadequate Giroud is for us in the long run. If Kane was a Messi like player you could go well fine Giroud isn’t as good as him that’s to be expected, but Kane is only a decent player in a decent team whose only 21 and just come into top flgiht football and his beating Giroud in goal scoring that shouldn’t happen for me. We should have a striker who puts daylight in terms of output, goals and stats .

    Basically I think with players like Giroud we are in touching distance with spurs and Southampton in terms of quality of personnel when we should have super strikers way above that level. It makes me feel uncomfortably when we play spurs because we don;t have enough to comfortably win instead its nervy which just isn’t right we are ARSENAL FC!

  72. london gunner

    Goondawg

    “And no thanks to Song, did you not see him trip up Kane conceding a stupid pen the other day?”

    Matic got a stupid red card the otherday as did Viera and Roy keane.

    All players fuck up at some point.

    Anyways scneiderlin is better so lets forget about that topic.

    I really like Coq, I personally don’t see why schneiderlin signing means the end of coq. As for me we get rid of art and flam and bring in schneiderlin and coq. Also factor in one of either Ramsey and Wilshere are always going to be injured at somepoint.

    P.S. I really love Coq’s play in tight spaces his actually a better dribbler than schneidelin in my personal opinion. I have seen him dribble past 2 even 3 players in congested areas in the middle and the boy looks fluid.

  73. Wallace

    it’s like a conveyor belt of ‘who’s hot this week? let’s use him to run an Arsenal player down’, and then when that one fizzles out the next ones up. tough to be an Arsenal player on le grove.

  74. Wallace

    “I don’t think Kane is WC I don’t even think his all that good just decent, but that to me highlights how inadequate Giroud is for us in the long run. If Kane was a Messi like player you could go well fine Giroud isn’t as good as him that’s to be expected, but Kane is only a decent player in a decent team whose only 21 and just come into top flgiht football and his beating Giroud in goal scoring that shouldn’t happen for me.”

    were you and gambon both off orbiting Pluto when Giroud missed the first 3mths of the season with a broken ankle?

  75. MidwestGun

    Wallace –
    To be fair it’s a blog about Arsenal Players and club. So what else we gonna talk about? And I think most have been more complimentary then usual, so actually pretty balanced.

    I mean if you want we can start bashing Man. U. players, easy to do, but then we are talking about those douche bags. No thanks.

  76. Goondawg

    Damn my post got eaten up

    Long story short

    Giroud isn’t going to be receiving any statues outside Emirates

    Let’s just enjoy the fact he is playing the best damn football of his entire arsenal career these last few months.

    Long may it continue

  77. Leedsgunner

    Hackett said Atkinson’s performance was “one of the worst” he has seen, adding: “It was an incompetent display.
    “I feel sorry for the Chelsea player because he has reacted to a leg-breaking challenge. Never mind a cup final, that could have cost him his career.
    “There is no place in the game for challenges like that and it should have been punished.”

    No use giving opinions like that if you are unwilling to do anything about it.

  78. Leedsgunner

    Hackett referred to in the quote is Keith Hackett – head of referees by the way. It was a very bad tackle, straight from the Shawcross school of thuggery. Why is there no retrospective punishments?

  79. Goondawg

    ““And no thanks to Song, did you not see him trip up Kane conceding a stupid pen the other day?”

    Matic got a stupid red card the otherday as did Viera and Roy keane.All players fuck up at some point.”

    StatsBoi I’d love to see Songs fuck up ratio per game lol

  80. Goondawg

    It’s a joke the English bias towards Arsenal is unreal. Where the fuck were these comments when Eduardo and Ramsey broke their legs? Instead of condemning these tackles they were excused and the players responsible embraced and consoled

  81. Wallace

    Midwest

    it would make fascinating reading a list of all the managers and strikers that le grove’s championed over the last few years.

  82. MidwestGun

    Wallace –
    Lol fair points. But I would be shocked if it wasn’t the same at some ManU or Spuds blog.
    Hell my stupid brother the Chelscum supporter was bitching about their defending and Mourinho today on the phone. I was like…. ya. Sorry to hear that.
    😀

  83. BacaryisGone

    Schneiderlin is an excellent player but to be fair the only team seriously in for him over the summer was Spurs, and that’s still his most likely destination this summer too. Bentaleb and Mason are hardworking but not exactly inspiring midfielders.

    As for us, I hope no-one is seriously thinking we’ll be buying anyone this summer other than a defensive midfielder and possibly a goalkeeper (although Arsene has never been too decisive in upgrading this position).

    At the back, I don’t see us replacing any of the eight defenders currently in the rotation. It would be great to get a left-back who doesn’t get burned by Wilfred Zaha or is only good for 15-20 matches like Gibbs, but there aren’t too many upgrades out there in this position. We actually have two of the better left-backs in the league.

    We’ll likely be keeping a combination of our 4-1-4-1 or 4-2-3-1 next season and we’re loaded across the board here other than in the screening/defensive midfield position.

    I can confidently predict that this summer will be about as quiet as two summers ago. We’ll let a few players leave (Podolski, Campbell etc) and make one major signing and possibly a couple of other slight adjustments. We’ll still have a positive net spend as I can’t see anyone leaving for any reasonable amount, but whatever money we’ll be spending will go in strengthening the defensive midfield position. How’s William Carvalho been doing, by the way?

  84. MidwestGun

    Bottom line, for me. If we stand pat only add a defensive midfielder or a Keeper. I expect the same results. 3rd or 4th. Possible FA Cup. It won’t be good enough. Because our competition won’t be standing still.

    And I know it’s a bit early to be worrying about transfers this summer. But that’s the nature of the beast.

  85. BacaryisGone

    Have to disagree with you Midwest. I think considering we’ve bedded in so many new players this season (Ospina, Debuchy, Alexis, Welbeck, Chambers and Gabriel), a certain amount of inconsistency has to be expected.

    Even Mourinho, despite his mind games, is right in saying we have a lot of very high quality players and that we should be competing with Chelsea and Man City for the title. I personally think that nearly every move we made in the last two windows will help the club more next season than this one.

    I actually think it will be Carvalho that comes in the summer. At probably 6-1 to win the title next season, I’m going to place a sizeable bet on Arsenal, and that’s something I haven’t done in any of the last 10 seasons!

  86. Ozy

    “It would be great to get a left-back who doesn’t get burned by Wilfred Zaha or is only good for 15-20 matches like Gibbs, but there aren’t too many upgrades out there in this position”

    There is actually an overwhelming amount of talented LBs out there. Just saying.

  87. Dream10

    I think Monreal has had a very good season. If we are to buy a LB, it should be Gibbs that should be sold. He will be 26 this year and has not shown enough to be a top class player

  88. BacaryisGone

    Arteta-I don’t think he’ll be here next season. I don’t believe it was confirmed by the blub that we extended his contract. Even if he stays, he’ll have dramatically reduced minutes.

    Mertesacker-He’s retired from International football, and pace has never been his asset. He’ll contribute well for us next season, but I can see Gabriel and Koscielny playing more games together next season and Mert will be used against our more ‘industrial’ opponents.

    Rosicky-He’s not a first-choice player for us but I doubt we’ll see a major decline next year in his game.

    The key for success next year will lie in how our British players progress. Arsene thought we would have a British core but that won’t happen unless Wilshere and Ramsey improve and Theo, Ox and Gibbs can stay clear of injuries. It’s worth noting that of the 5 players he had at the press announcement (Ox, Wilshere, Ramsey, Jenks and Gibbs), Jenks has by far played the most minutes this season in the Premier League!

  89. MidwestGun

    BiG-
    It’s your money. Lol. But if your standing mostly still your basically going backwards. Like I said because of another year on aging players. Forgot Santi who will be 31 also. Then factor in the chronically injured.
    I would feel safer about your bet if we added a couple surefire starters and a couple more future starters, move out the deadwood.

  90. BacaryisGone

    Ozy-please elaborate. Please don’t include players from teams that are unlikely to sell to us (Liverpool’s Moreno, Chelsea’s Azpilicueta etc).

  91. BacaryisGone

    Haha, Midwest. I would also feel more safe with my bet if we signed some major players next summer too but after spending a net 80 million or so in the last two seasons, I think we’ll probably stick with 20-25 million on Carvalho.

    We certainly won’t be favourites next season but we will be great value based on the title odds that will likely be offered.

  92. Ozy

    BacaryIsGone, if you remove Alba, Alaba, Moreno, Azpilicueta… etc, you still have quite a lot like Gaya, Kurzawa, Schmelzer, Coentrao, Rodriguez, Telles, Bernat, Digne, a good prospect in Durm, etc..

    Not saying I do not find Gibbs or Monreal talented or better than a few of those but there are talented LBs out there – I would not lose any sleep if we sold either Gibbs or Monreal and brought in Gaya or Bernat, for example.

  93. Bamford10

    Willow, Goondawg and Lee bringing down the level of conversation on here, the latter especially.

    Pedro – Check Lee’s posts out. This guy is only on the wind up.

  94. Bamford10

    London

    “That’s why Schneiderlin averages 3.1 tackles a game and Wanyama 2.8?”

    Thank you, mate.

    This Goondawg character is clueless. Coquelin is as good as Schneiderlin — hilarious! — and Schneiderlin is no longer a CDM because Wanyama is playing the even deeper role this year.

    Just clueless.

  95. MarbleHall

    Scheiderlin has been sent off this season and was in the side when Southampton were going through a slump and he also cost Southsmpton the game yesterday.
    I don’t see Coq being such a liability.

  96. tunnygriffboy

    Mid

    we will upgrade in midfield and maybe another couple of positions inc goalkeeper. Re standing still if we only do that I don’t necessarily agree. If if if we keep people fit for the season then a couple of really good additions does make us very competitive. Had
    everyone remained fit this season would we be this far behind chelsea ? It’s just a thought

  97. Bamford10

    Schneiderlin is dealing with injury, Marble. And Coquelin — though solid, no doubt — has made a number of poor passes and a number of foolish tackles. He probably should’ve seen a red this weekend. His errors/shortcomings haven’t cost us yet, but it’s only a matter of time.

    Massive gulf in class between these two players. Massive.

    Not that you are one to understand these things, however.

  98. MidwestGun

    Tunny –
    Well I was mostly disagreeing with B.iG’s assertion he thinks we won’t add anyone, maybe only 1 player. I don’t see how that’s even possible with Diaby, Flamini or Arteta, Campbell, Podolski, and possibly Sanogo, maybe Jenks off in the summer. Plus as I pointed out are aging players who can’t play every match or perhaps shouldn’t. Not to mention our Keeper situation. So I agree think we will add more. But I do think should we do nothing we a
    will be treading water at best. Basically, I don’t think we can gamble on injury reduction and improved form.

  99. Bamford10

    Arsenal supporters can be divided in many ways, but one division today is between those who imagine Giroud and Coquelin are good enough for our starting XI and those who know that they’re not (despite their valuable contributions).

    Arsenal will never win anything of note with either of these two players in the XI, neither of whom would ever start for one of the world’s top teams.

  100. Goondawg

    When even the likes of Marble is trumpeting an arsenal player (the first time in my knowledge this has happened) then maybe perhaps Bam you should just concede that Coq is not as bad as you think

    It’s all good prophesising from your crystal ball the future of this young talent but when your magic finger calling other clueless, it’s frankly embarrassing.

    You compare Coq to the likes of Schneiderlin completely negating the fact we are two different teams with two very different systems being implemented. Soton have a great defence and struggling to score goals.

    Schneiderlin doesn’t bear the brunt of the defensive work on his shoulders like I don’t know some other young emerging French talent I’ve been seeing play these last couple of months. Someone who has come in, and superbly anchored our midfield and crucially broken up attacks and started attacks by feeding our raft of vast attacking options. Which has led us to currently third place.

  101. tunnygriffboy

    Don’t think goondawg has ever said that coquelin is better than Schniederlin only that Coquelin hss done very well since he’s come into the team which he has. His gripe is that many get on Coquelin’s case even though his stats show that he has done well and shown promise.

  102. tunnygriffboy

    Mid

    I see 3 players, possibly a goalkeeper coming in. One will be a top signing that we need. Others may be young talent to replace the aging ones that leave. Then all we have to do is keep them fit.

  103. Bamford10

    By the way, if Giroud scores a game-winner against United in the FA Cup, I will admit I have been slightly unfair to him.

    He won’t do shit in that game, though. Just watch. 😉

  104. Bamford10

    Tunny

    Incorrect. He has said that Coq is just as good as Schneiderlin and has described them as “like for like”.

    The rest is a red herring: I’ve gladly acknowledged Coq’s contribution. My point is that he isn’t good enough for our starting XI going forward, whereas Schneiderlin — along with Krychowiak or Bender — is.

    Coquelin is not of their caliber. Goondawg and others contest this. Constantly. They are wrong.

  105. Goondawg

    Thank you tunny

    I don’t recall saying Schneiderlin is better than Coq. Just that they have two different roles for their irrespective teams. Its hard to judge players that play in different teams that use different systems. I’ve always said I rate Schneiderlin also

  106. MidwestGun

    Tunny depending who they are, I would force myself to be happy with that.
    😀
    Not sure how wise it is gambling on Ramsey, JW, Theo, Ox, and Koscielny’s health tho. Plus Rosicky, Mert and either Flamini or Arteta, and Santi with another year. So we need to have a solid transfer window, imo.

  107. Gunner2301

    What Willow mentioned earlier about Giroud. He may be slightly better than most thought but I maintain my position which has been you will not win the league or the CL with a striker who is just about in the top 10 strikers in the league. History and results tell you that.

    On another note TH14 needs to do some serious work on his punditry. He’s showing true to form that Wenger had fuck all to teach him. Sky,will be cancelling his contract if he doesn’t watch out. He might get into management in the future but I haven’t seen anything that would make me think that he would make a great manager. Loved him as a player but that ability doesn’t always translate into other areas.

  108. Bamford10

    “I don’t recall saying Schneiderlin is better than Coq.”

    Of course you don’t, dipshit, because this is precisely the basic fact you’re trying to deny or evade.

    Schneiderlin is better than Coquelin by a fucking mile.

  109. Gunner2301

    Giroud was bought to keep us in the top 4 that’s about his level. If we want to push on we need to upgrade but Wenger won’t. Giroud is another Wenger project for both Arsenal and France so he will not give that up readily. We need a manager who can be objective and ruthless if necessary. Wenger is not that man.

  110. tunnygriffboy

    Mid

    I would like a Schniederlin and b2b midfielder . Ramsey needs competition and to be rested as he can’t continually play 3 games a week covering the ground he does. It just leads to injury. Schniederlin and Coquelin could play together in certain games as well.

  111. MidwestGun

    Sal –
    I don’t know but I feel a certain kinship. It’s not easy being a misunderstood position as all flyover statesmen are. Misunderstood and overlooked. Quite sad. 😀