Festering injury issues | New TV money must go to the fans

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Well, the mirage that was our Renaissance has well and truly come unpicked in the last two weeks. Poorly executed game plans, a lack of fight and the recurring injury nightmare that is Arsenal.

Aaron Ramsey is out until March with a hamstring injury. He’s been back, what, 5 games? It’s same old, same old. As we’ve said many times on here before, the soft tissue injuries are usually preventable. I mean, you’d expect more risk of that occurring at this time of year, but not with a player who has hardly played over the last 3 months. It just looks like carelessness.

Old Raymond rent-a-quote has an opinion…

There are two solutions. Either Arsenal sort themselves out or Aaron has to go to a club… where training is more balanced,

The medical staff can only cure the problem but football coaches cause the problem because they are responsible for football training sessions

People point to him not working for team at the moment (always amusing when it’s bloggers) miss that he works on a global training programme to educating professionals and amateurs alike. So think what you like about him because he upsets your  vision of Wenger being a rational progressive thinker… but somewhere in there, he has a point. We don’t know how to keep players fit, and this has been a long term issue. Like, a ten year issue.

… and look at Jose, he’s keeping Cesc firing. And the rest of his squad / aging backline.

Still, let’s not beat down on ourselves. LVG is starting to implode, as I predicted. He’s getting away with a lot of shitty performance by playing long ball. He’ll come unstuck though. They shouldn’t be looking up, they should be looking down… I reckon Liverpool might catch.

Oh, and how about busting out diagrams in a press conference? He had as all wrapped up in his king of arrogance bullshit… then it all unravelled. He DOES care about this press. Little ol’ insecure Louis. I thought it was funny. The most arrogant ones are always the most broken inside.

Let’s also celebrate that we have Boro at home at the weekend. Win that, we take a quarters in the FA cup. I’d love an Arsenal / United final. What a day that’d be! That trophy is ours to be retained.

We also have the best draw in the Champions League. I’m hoping for at least a quarter final. Maybe a semi if the draw is fair to us twice.

I mean, on the face of it, it could be a very good season. It’ll always be tarnished by the what ifs though and I think that’s what makes us so frustrating. Wenger has a lot of positives about him. The frustration is that attention to detail, planning and progress aren’t two of them. If they were, it’s hard to believe we’d be doing anything other than dominating.

Well, let’s not get carried away… competing for serious honours, over slopping around in the nearly drip tray.

Final piece of the puzzle. That TV deal. Oh my days. We’re over double the TV revenue of any other league on the planet. We just went supersize. Say what you want about Scudamore, but the man could sell Park Chu Young to a Champions League team in need of a world class striker. He’s outrageous.

£10m a game before international rights are organised. But, like I’ve said before, it’s the best product out there. In Spain, they have three teams with some top players, but outside that, you’re really struggling. They don’t have the investment because two mega clubs dominate the TV deals. It’s so short sighted. Under this new deal, the bottom club lands £100m. In our league at the moment, the small clubs may have had one danger player, but now, they have 5 or 6. You can lose to any team. No one rolls over. Everyone has a good fitness set up. Everyone has access to the same technology. I mean, look at Southampton! They can afford to invest in world class infrastructure. This secures the league once again… amazing turnaround. Interesting that the second best TV deal is the Bundasliga (I think because of their deal with terrestrial Chinese TV) and that’s £2.5m a game.

It’s an arrogant thing to say, but it feels like the cyclical nature of league football might be over. We’re too dominant. That could come unstuck, for sure, but look… people don’t go to games in Spain and Italy. We pack out the stadiums week in week out… 93% capacity fill across the league. Unless we’re priced out, that’ll stay the same.

My concern is that this new money goes straight into footballers pockets, rather than on lowering ticket prices. The business models of football clubs are ridiculous… 70% of revenue going into staff pockets is a sad way to operate. I’m not calling for a wage cap, but there has to come a point where it’s not just one party benefitting from this glut of money. At some point, there has to be a consideration for the fans. At some point, football has to wake up and realise that if young people don’t get indoctrinated early doors, you lose them forever… you don’t lust to sit in the cold stands, you’re taught about it because your parents take you as a kid.

There needs to be more long term vision on this. I know Arsenal’s marketing team recognises this, but really, it should be all the clubs collectively working out what they can do, now they have all this additional revenue… to make things better for the fans and help secure the next generation.

Well, that’s what I’d be thinking about if I was Scudamore. The Italian product is crap because the football is boring, but, more importantly, no one likes to watch a game with an empty stadium.

Right, that’s your lot. LATERZ x

 

171 Responses to “Festering injury issues | New TV money must go to the fans”

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  1. Bankz

    Where are you at Romford?
    Where are you at?
    Why you look at me?
    I told you I’ve got the Top 4 TROPHY on lockdown from now on.
    It belongs to me.
    Meeeeeeee!
    Meeeeeeee!
    It’s mine.
    Stay off my Trophy …….for the very last time.

  2. Zementalstrength

    10th ??

    “LVG is starting to implode, as I predicted.”
    That changes nothing to the fact that they will remain unbeaten against us this season – for a change – , and that they probably will finish above us in the table.

  3. Ozy

    Not to start this debate again but this comment from the last post was too good to pass up, courtesy of N5:

    “We should change Ozil’s name on the back of his shirt to 42.5m as it’s all people seem to care about!!”

    Anyway, that TV deal is outrageous. It’s pretty exciting for all the bottom teams. With some smart investing, you could see some dormant giants. Southampton and West Ham seem to already be investing wisely. Newcastle

  4. Ozy

    Fucking iPhone.

    Newcastle, Swansea, Everton.. hell, even Stoke – I would want to see any one of them usher in a new era of Premier League football.

    Cause really, Man U are shit. I hate Liverpool and they are glorified shit. I want to see those two as far away from the top of the table as possible. You know Man City and Chelsea will remain up there. Maybe us as well.

  5. Wallace

    Dream

    ah, okay. title does look like it’s Chelsea’s to lose now, although they certainly seem far less threatening with Remy up top. seems like Mourinho is going to try and whine his way to the finish line. c*nt.

  6. Dream10

    Ozy

    Think Man Utd are 2nd in the money chart to Real w/o CL football. I would love for them to miss out this year. But their financial muscle will more than likely see them make it in the next year or two.

    I certainly don’t want Liverpool with CL football for the next two years. Need them to finish 7th this year so we can bid for Daniel Sturridge.

    Would not be surprised to see Harry Redknapp return to West Ham with the upcoming move to the Olympic Stadium and the new TV Deal. It suits him

  7. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Pedro
    Good points
    Can you honestly see a money orientated club like arsenal giving anything back to the fans?

    I can’t
    It’s pure greed one that all prem clubs have ,,,
    They have a conveyor belt of fans to take your place should u leave,,

    Maybe all prem clubs should have a smaller club that they should mentor ,,,

  8. Ozy

    God, I like West Ham this year. Harry Redknapp taking over… he really needs to quit. He’s 67 and he’s done nothing of merit these last few years to justify that move.

    And yeah, don’t believe Man U will ever truly be away from the top for long. They have too much financial muscle and this deal will further enhance that – they’ve just invested really poorly. Their scouting department seems to have an even less clue than ours.

  9. omar

    Arsenal hierarchy must be licking their chops at this new tv deal. But this may cause us more harm than good if we continue the path we are going with the clueless one as manager. Right now we are struggling against the likes of Southampton, Everton, Swansea etc. One can only imagine that if they invest wisely with this new injection of money they’ll only get better. While we choose to stockpile our money and only invest proactively on short stylish midfielders.

  10. Emiratesstroller

    Arsenal’s performance level in last 2 games highlights a lot of problems at the
    club namely we have a lot of players in squad who are injury prone and I am
    afraid that sooner or later we need to cull some of these, because it adds a lot of pressure and demands on the other players.

    I feel also that our game and squad is also one dimensional. We are fine when
    we are able to play offensively, but as soon as the team comes under pressure you see just how brittle and lightweight they are. Realistically the club needs
    to review personnel in back 7.

    The team and its style of play is the responsibility of manager and coaches and frankly I see very little improvement or tactical naus. When will Wenger adapt the club’s game to the tactics played by the opposition?

    The money generated from Sky and BT is becoming obscene and frankly does
    very little to improve the game in this country. All it will achieve is inflate transfer fees, wages and most probably the pockets of owners and agents.

    At the end of the day the consumer will have to pay more and I am pretty sure
    that people like me who spend more than £4,000 pa on season tickets will not
    be paying less.

    Ultimately there will come a time when the TV companies will reach a point where it is no longer economical to spend these sort of sums on football and they will find value elsewhere.

  11. Alfie

    Agree with the West Ham/Redknapp – Dude needs to let go. Stupid old wannabe wheeler dealer.

    Should fuck off to the old country with Sandra and Rosie.

    Cunt,

  12. Carts

    Scudamore, on £1.9m p/a, couldn’t even find the bollocks to support paying London Living Wage to stadium workers up and down the country. Fucking embarrasing from that man.

    £100m for the bottom placed team you say? only god knows how much those particular memeber of staff are making. If this money does end up in the pockets of the footballers then that will be a sad state of affairs. I could well end up losing complete interest in the game; it’s hard enough getting affordable tickets, esepcially when you’ve got greedy wankers at the helm.

  13. SpanishDave

    The only yhing more money will achieve is higher transfer fees gor average joe footballers like Walcott getting 150k a week and English footballers being transfered for 30 plus ,mill.

  14. TitsMcgee

    LVG is starting to implode,”

    To be honest Pedro I don’t know why you keep harping on LVG doing a bad job. Is he doing great? No. Is he doing bad? Not IMO.

    He’s doing what most expected of him.

  15. Dissenter

    Premier leagu officiating has become farcical.
    Ivanovic grabs Everton James McCarthy by th neck one metre away from the referee. It was so hard the guy’s face turns red like he’s about to pass out.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsGR-i4LUUM

    Yet the referee does nothing.
    If a retrospective punishment is going to be applied, then punisht the referee too.

  16. Carts

    Alfie – I tell you what though, ‘Arry’s autobiography is a funny read. He’s got some fucking stories in there that made me geuinely LOL

  17. TitsMcgee

    My concern is that this new money goes straight into footballers pockets, rather than on lowering ticket prices. ”

    They could set the tickets at just about any price. People would complain, moan and wiggle but at the end of the day will still take out their credit card to pay for it. The clubs know it too.

  18. Rosicky rocks

    I get the sentiment that fans want ticket prices cut – I as a season ticket holder get frustrated when we see the go only one way to help club profitability when reinvestment doesn’t ever happen. However, let’s be realistic… How is this ever going to happen? In reality, unless mandated by the FA (and I’m sure they can’t do this) then it is every individual club’s decision to spend the money that way. Guess what, reducing your profit reduces your competitive advantage. It’s the same as any free market business where you will charge what you can get away with. The club knows all too well from the waiting list that they are not short of prospective ticket buyers. When that changes they may rethink but until then the football club has to think about giving all customers the best experience – not just those lucky enough to be able to go in person.

  19. GoonerInNY

    History teaches us that all that new TV money is headed two places: players’ and owners” pockets. Fans won’t see a penny and, in fact, will keep paying more.

    Has there ever been a big league that used new revenues to lower prices for supporters? I can’t think of one example.

  20. Dissenter

    I really don’t understands the angst about who gets the new money coming into the premier league.

    So long as the stands are still full and there are waiting lists for season tickets at at the biggest clubs, ticket prices are still going to keep going up.
    It’s demand v supply basic economics.

    I do feel for you London fans because you create and pay for the atmosphere that makes the league what it is. It’s just that you will be playing super high cable bills to fund thes outrageous new TV deals.

    That’s said, I’ll rather have the players get lavishly rewarded than let the likes of Kroenke who contribute NOTHING to the game.

    Yes, I’ll rather have Theo Walcott get 150k weekly than for that mega-leech bastard called Kroenke to add another cent to his Walmart family inheritance.

    There, I said it.

  21. Micheal

    The bonanza of TV money poses a huge question for Arsenal Football Club. So far, at least, Silent Stan has splashed around £500 – £600m on his 70% shareholding and taken out just £3m. That’s a return of just 0.5% spread over five or six years. Peanuts.

    I can’t recall the precise date when he bought control, but that is not too important and £3m is irrelevant in the context of a £600m outlay.

    The elephant in the room is what Silent Stan does next. Does he follow the Glazers example at ManUre and milk the coming bonanza of TV money ? Or does he cash in his £600m investment for a proper return on his money. He is not a Gooner – he is in business to make money.

    Taking £3m out is effectively doing nothing. I cannot seem him doing nothing much longer.

    Will he milk the business or sell it ?

  22. Dissenter

    Carts,
    “Scudamore, on £1.9m p/a, couldn’t even find the bollocks to support paying London Living Wage to stadium workers up and down the country. Fucking embarrasing from that man”

    You Brits are lucky, your value system is still relatively intact.
    In America, the CEO of a sporting league that’s generating £3 billion in TV money will never earn a paltry 1.9 million a year. He’s be on 10-15 times that salary.

    Just saying, thank the stars.

  23. Dissenter

    I really don’t understands the angst about who gets the new money coming into the premier league.So long as the stands are still full and there are waiting lists for season tickets at at the biggest clubs, ticket prices are still going to keep going up.
    It’s demand v supply basic economics.

    I do feel for you London fans because you create and pay for the atmosphere that makes the league what it is. It’s just that you will be playing super high cable bills to fund thes outrageous new TV deals.That’s said, I’ll rather have the players get lavishly rewarded than let the likes of Kroenke who contribute NOTHING to the game.Yes, I’ll rather have Theo Walcott get 150k weekly than for that mega-leech bastard called Kroenke to add another cent to his Walmart family inheritance.
    There, I said it.

  24. Alfie

    “Alfie – I tell you what though, ‘Arry’s autobiography is a funny read. He’s got some fucking stories in there that made me geuinely LOL”

    I accept that he is a good story teller. I just think he has nicked a living!

  25. Dissenter

    Carts,
    “Scudamore, on £1.9m p/a, couldn’t even find the bollocks to support paying London Living Wage to stadium workers up and down the country. Fucking embarrasing from that man.”

    You Brits are a lucky bunch. Your value system is still relatively preserved.
    In America, the CEO of a major sporting league that’s watched in every remote corner of the planet and generates £3 billion in TV revenue would be remunerated 10-20 times more than £1.9 million.

    Seriously, thank the gods that you still live in a society with a scintilla of fairnss between the haves and the have-nots.

  26. Dissenter

    This is when the Boelick deal can be so vexing.
    Wenger knew Arteta was out till the end of the season. He at least knew that Ramsey thighs (between his quads and hamstrings) are unreliable. Jack was out injured and has a history of having glass ankles.

    What does Wenger do; he goes out and buys a cuddly puppy who’s probably not ready to suit up for the U-21s.

    Enjoy the ride, boys.

  27. Danish Gooner

    Money will go straight down greedy players coffers and greedy agents.If Scudamore was a socialist he would be working for Oxfam.

  28. divinesherlock

    Pedro to be fair no one cares about pricing out fans , as long as there is demand . Yeah you can point at bundesliga but its really an exception. Fans are only there to milk more money outta them.

  29. Danny

    Oh, and how about busting out diagrams in a press conference?
    ————————————————
    Reminds of that song by Joe Jackson about the President of the USA doing a press conference with everything done with illustrated cartoons.

  30. Carts

    Dissenter – not denying that, and generally I care not for how much a man earns.

    I just find it quite sad when a man, whom if retired tomorrow would live nice, can’t even support the prospect of people earning a living wage ffs. Yet decides to plead the 5th. Fucking cop-out asshole if you ask me.

  31. Relieable sauce

    The German league & players are very popular in China according to a poll I read, I think it was around 800 people(lol) questioned. (Did someone actually get paid to do that?)Arsenal were in the top 5/6 of most popular teams…probably due to the fact we play in red & have some Germans in our squad.
    With Asia & especially China you have huge potential for mega deals that would dwarf this latest one I’d imagine, so I personally cant see rughead selling up anytime soon. Has the US market come close to reaching its potential even?

    Insane amounts of money swilling around the game & we dont pay LLW…should go a long way in dispelling the “we have class” myth.

  32. S. Asoa

    The only team that can give back to the fans without denying any section is AFC – if they roll back their extortionist ticket prices . Either way will demonstrate the spirit and intent of Kroenke

  33. Jim Lahey

    @Carts – Thanks, I’ll pop up to the Emirates on Sunday and see if I can pick up a ticket! Would you know general face value or what I should expect to pay off a tout?

  34. Carts

    Lahey – I’ve only ever bought ticket of touts when I’ve been to gigs.

    If I were to approach it, I’d start haggling around 5 minutes before KO. I’d also try and pay much less than face-value.

    Anyone else out there able to recommend an approach for our dear friend, Lahey?

  35. Zementalstrength

    And considering the prices of the tickets…
    Don’t buy any ticket at all, go to the pub to watch the game lol

  36. Sir Chips

    Jim Lahey

    You should check out the Arsenal Tickets account on twitter. There is also an account called twickets sport which often has arsenal tickets for sale. twickets is good because the account won’t retweet unless the seller is selling at face value. Similarly, people sell on Arsenal Tickets for fair amounts.

    Failing that, you could try gumtree.

    The last thing you should do is go to a tout; they just look to maximise profits so they will often charge x3 or x4 face value.

  37. Relieable sauce

    Virgin media asked ofcom to investigate the TV rights bidding process & the investigation is still ongoing.
    The Premier league said VM’s plea was self serving. lol

    Whats the deal with some of the big bookmakers streaming the games live then?
    I assume they are not doing it illegally.

  38. Sir Chips

    Surely the future is for the Premier League to launch their own channel, showing around 50% of the league games live. This would eradicate the need to give Murdoch and his henchmen any of our hard earned cash. I for one would be happy to pay £20 per month for extensive live coverage of PL games, and I’m sure many others would too.

    We had to cancel Sky Sports recently because it had increased to over £50 per month – and that was non-HD. It’s ridiculous that you have to buy the whole cake of channels you don’t want just to get the sporting cherry on the top.

  39. Leedsgunner

    http://youtu.be/nIo0K5rsR44

    V. funny from Mo regarding the comments about Spuds — Robbie from AFC TV — honestly, seems lovely jolly bloke but he is the biggest AKB around both literally and figuratively… lol. The commentator is right though — every game in the league is a crunch game now if we are to actually win a 4th place spot. 3 points has to be order of the day, and I can’t remember another year when so many teams had a realistic chance of capturing fourth….

    Ideally we should shoot for third so we can miss out the qualifying fixture into the groups… so that Arsene can’t use it as an excuse to dilly dally on his summer transfers. Although to be fair to Wenger, he did some good business this year… we need to build on that… and get that DM that we all know we need.

    Coquelin is good but he would get much better if he was to learn from a master of his trade.

  40. Cesc Appeal

    Must, must, must sort our central midfield this summer.

    Need a defensive, commanding presence in there paired with a strong, athletic, box to box, ball distributor type.

    I think as much as CB stability and partnership is crucial to a successful side, we need that in CM as well.

    Been a bit like musical chairs in there this season.

    Crucially, we must try to find players who have good injury records so that our awful approach to fitness in training won’t impact them as hard.

  41. Zementalstrength

    The only thing we really need is ==>>
    Le specialist in tactics, game plans, Zips, fitness, bouncing back and mental Ztrength OUT.

  42. Leedsgunner

    For the summer, I think I would veer toward younger, 20-26 year olds for midfielders rather than those on the slide to 30… we’ve seen it with Arteta — we were 5 years too late for him, signed him when he was 29 and guess what we got what 18 months of decent play out of him and the rest he’s either been injured or poor since he no longer has the pace to cope with the EPL. I know he originally took a paycut to join us but in the scheme of things I believe Arteta has been our most expensive over 30s player by the time he finishes his present contract (and hopefully he won’t get an extension.) Incredible that consikdering who we let go because they were deemed too old…

    I have nothing against Arteta, he’s a decent bloke and a consummate professional and he probably would do well as a coach even at AFC but his legs are gone… and realistically he can only play 1 game every 10 days I reckon.

  43. Carts

    Sir Chips – I read yesterday that Sky are trying to find £200m through some saving initiative, and there’s a probability of increasing subscription by £1 – an option after the amount of money they’ve shelled out lately.

  44. Bergkamp63

    Sir Chips February 12, 2015 13:47:08
    Surely the future is for the Premier League to launch their own channel, showing around 50% of the league games live. This would eradicate the need to give Murdoch and his henchmen any of our hard earned cash. I for one would be happy to pay £20 per month for extensive live coverage of PL games, and I’m sure many others would too.

    We had to cancel Sky Sports recently because it had increased to over £50 per month – and that was non-HD. It’s ridiculous that you have to buy the whole cake of channels you don’t want just to get the sporting cherry on the top

    Did the same last April, not because I can’t afford it but out of principle, bought a Humax Freesat recorder which has already paid for itself for not having the basic Sky package (all repeats and free channels mostly) and watching any football match I please via live streams !

    In order to keep me from leaving Sky altogether they gave me unlimited broadband free for the year and I paid my line rental for having their phone up font at about £12 a month so my entire outlay was £141 for the year !

    Given hey have just had to stump up £4.1 b now is a good time to give notice with them if you have been a customer more than 12 months and get a much better deal if you intend to stay with it ?

  45. BacaryisGod

    The TV deal is good for Arsenal from a strictly financial sense but will probably allow some of the Champions League chasing clubs to invest in increasing stadium capacity and therefore narrowing the advantage we have with matchday revenues. Watch out, Ivan!

  46. underrated Coq

    I must say, The Coq’s defensive numbers are that which any World class DM would be proud of. Fair enough, It is better to wait and see if he can keep up this form consistently but the lad deserves all the plaudits he gets. What he doesn’t deserve is some of the criticism he gets here.

    I read statements like ” Coquelin is average, he’ll never be good enough ” and I think to myself ‘ How do these people have the ability to see into the future? ‘.

    Its ridiculous. On what basis can one defiantly claim that Coquelin (or any player for that matter) will ‘never ever’ be good enough …? Nobody can predict what the future holds.

    Coqulelin seems to be ever improving. His range of passing gets better every game and he seems to have a bit of skill on the ball as well ! I couldn’t help but notice he hit a couple of accurate long range passes, something which we hadn’t seen him do before, against Leichester.

    People here clamor for Scneiderlin all the time but he has been playing at Southampton for years whereas The Coq has only now been given the opportunity of consistent game time at Arsenal. As far as ” He was playing on loan at Charlton ffs ” comments go, where was Southampton playing when Schneiderlin started off there ?

    For all we know, Coquelin could very well end up as good as, or even better than Schneiderlin. Reading Comments such as ” He’ll NEVER be good enough ” make me sad. If you cannot find joy at the possibility of one of our own boys blossoming into a great player,then what is the point of supporting the Club…?

  47. Leedsgunner

    Remember Ivan is the current EPL CEO of the year isn’t he? Lol, talk about meaningless accolades…. what does Ivan ACTUALLY do for his six figure (most lightly 7 figure salary) anyone know? Anyone?

  48. Kane

    Looking at getting 2 tickets for Arsenal vs Monaco – a last 16 european game. 2 ticket available on Ticket Exchange – £188 for the pair. Add stadium food, etc.. and we are talking well over £200 to go and see 1 game of football.

    Tickets are too bloody expensive – but so long as demand is higher than supply, prices are not going to go down any time soon

    I can stomach that, but it is wretched to hear about the guys and girls who do the dogs work at the stadiums getting paid minimum wage, when these clubs are swimming in money – that makes me feel disgusted with football as a whole

  49. Cesc Appeal

    Gazidis is the money man at the club, I always say you have a division of labour with the ‘Arsenal three’…Gazidis is the money and the commercial side of things…Kroenke is the silence, the wig and the ‘expertise’ (cough, cough)…Wenger is the football and everything to do with the football side of things.

    The situation has been engineered this way, in no small part by Wenger I think. That’s why although sometimes in desperation we might call for it, Gazidis can’t/won’t strong arm Wenger into behaving like a proper football manager, or by taking power off of him.

  50. Carts

    Bergkamp63 –

    I cancelled my Skysports package over a year ago – purely cos the missus old man let’s us use his Skygo account and I stream anything that plays on BT sport, all through the tv via laptop.

    I pay like £60 (TV (no movies), Internet (fibre optic) and phone line)

  51. Foozballfan

    Morning Le grove. I got some things i wanna get off my chest this morning. Mourihno called Wenger specialist in failure and everybody got upset. I think Wenger is a failure specialist.

    How else do you explain the constant Dejavu/groundhogsday. Every season its the same thing. Injuries, more injuries, bad tactics, bad formation, injuries, lost away to Chelsea, injuries, overplays certain players while underplaying some, looking defensively strong one game only to look like a $1 slut who just lets every dick and harry in the next. I mean can u think of any Arsenal player that isnt injury prone other than Maybe Mertesacker and Giroud? Thats just terrible.

    Now the crazy thing is this happens EVERY season since 2006. Thats almost a decade. Now ask yourself this: would his rivals Ferguson and Mourihno make such errors constantly for a decade. And dont give me thebullshit of Chelsea and Man U spending much more money in that period. Thank God, Dortmund,Athletico, Southampton etc have shown us that its not all about money.

    He has messed up so much that hes now being compared to Sam Allardyce. This is a guy that used to constantly battle with the most succesful coach in the premier league. The mighty didnt just fall, it dovetailed. Time for change.

  52. Sir Chips

    My old man would phone Sky every single year to tell them he was leaving. They would either cut his monthly bill or give him extra services for free. These companies will take everything they can get from the customers until they meet resistance. They don’t give a fig about loyal customers, they are all about the $.

  53. Bergkamp63

    Carts February 12, 2015 15:04:11

    Bergkamp63 –

    I cancelled my Skysports package over a year ago – purely cos the missus old man let’s us use his Skygo account and I stream anything that plays on BT sport, all through the tv via laptop.

    I pay like £60 (TV (no movies), Internet (fibre optic) and phone line)

    Blimey, I thought I was doing ok !

    The thought of people like Rooney on £250k a week did it for me, he earns more in a week than a surgeon saving lives earn in a year nearly or his weekly wage is equivalent to about 10 nurses annual salary.

    Way beyond a joke.

  54. Bergkamp63

    Sky are desperate to keep their Broadband customers so they can sell advertising like the annoying ones everytime you log into your email !

  55. Kane

    Foozball Fan – everyone got upset because Mourinho is a classless wanker and a repugnant ogre of a man. What he said was bang out of order. That being said, if you say that Arsenal has repeated the same mistakes since 2006 and Wenger is a big reason for that then I’m sure we would all agree with that.

    The thing is, rightly or wrongly, Wenger is not judged by the board in the same way managers of other clubs are – so long as he achieves top 4 and the stadium is full, then he is seen as meeting the requirements of the board and if the fans don’t agree, well that is their problem.

    Balance is needed when looking at Wenger – yes he is stubborn and makes the same mistakes – and yes for most fans, he has not progressed the club in the last 10 years – but he has also consistently achieved top 4 status while navigating the club through a new stadium move, the loss of some big players, key injuries and changes to financial regulations, etc. He also strives to play a brand of football, which is widely praised and for the most part, entertaining.

    You reference Dortmund, Southampton, etc… but Dortmund are relegation candidates this season and Southampton are having their best season by far in the premier league – so not really a balanced view.

    Before you label me an AKB – I am frustrated at the fact we have not progressed in the last 10 years – but I am also balanced enough to see every club has problems and many clubs have more problems than we do…

  56. Carts

    Thomas – an article in the Standard said there’s scope for Sky exploring option of adding £1 onto subscription.

    Everything I negotiate with Sky ties me in for at least 6 months

    *Plus net doing a great offer on broadband, btw. Even throwing in £35 cashback 0_0

  57. Alfie

    “The thought of people like Rooney on £250k a week did it for me, he earns more in a week than a surgeon saving lives earn in a year nearly or his weekly wage is equivalent to about 10 nurses annual salary.

    Way beyond a joke.”

    Ive never understood this comparison but I can vaguely see your point.

  58. Carts

    “Apparently a big chunk of the basic Sky package pays for the football bidding outlay !”

    Well in that case, it’s clearly incredibly profitable for Sky to scoop up larger % of the rights. Not to mention they’ve also bought the controlling stake in Sky Italy and Sky German

  59. Carts

    Drawing parralels between entertainment-sports-showbiz and, say, the medical profession is pointless. I wouldn’t even go there.

  60. Keyser

    “Drawing parralels between entertainment-sports-showbiz and, say, the medical profession is pointless. I wouldn’t even go there.”

    “Ive never understood this comparison but I can vaguely see your point.”

    Alfie & Carts – Why ? I’d say it’s harder explaining your viewpoint.

  61. Alfie

    “Alfie & Carts – Why ? I’d say it’s harder explaining your viewpoint.”

    C’mon man, you surely know the answer??

    Where is the demand and revenue and commercial deals and sponsorships and TV money and merchandise for surgeons/soldiers??

    Where would that kind of money come from if they were on the same wage?

  62. Keyser

    Wengers hardly like in and out of the media or even his own club, bar the obvious that he’s polite and usually well mannered, and people’s own sense of common decency.

    When Mourinho called him the Specialist in failure, it wasn’t especially about Wenger that people were objecting to, if there was much objection, it’s that it was similar to when Mourinho makes comments about Citeh’s spending.

    People were basically objecting to Mourinho taking the fucking piss out of your intelligence.

  63. Zementalstrength

    LOL keyser…
    Le specialist in “I pretend to care about the situation of our club by spreading my knowledge on Le Grove” lol

  64. Keyser

    Alfie – Check the ad breaks next time you watch a tv programme, maybe during the winter see what sort of products are being supported.

    There’s two points, firstly the obvious difference between medical necessity and entertainment, ie one helps you try and forget about the other. That’s if you disregard that’s it’s a sport.

    Secondly, it’s not that doctors should be paid the same, it’s that footballers are taking the piss.

    It’s not an easy topic to quantify but it’s pretty obvious there’s massive problems that need to be discussed.

  65. Keyser

    Sylvie – Lol you think this is knowledge ? You’re a fucking idiot, who shouldn’t be allowed near an open door let alone a computer.

    This place is like a deep, dank, dark cave now, it’s like people shun intelligent conversation like the light that might be shining from the open end, ‘ah my eyes, avert your gaze’.

    I say intelligent conversation, in your case any conversation.

  66. Alfie

    Keyser –

    I don’t see how the footballers are taking the piss. Its a supply and demand basis.

    For every footballer there are three bankers earning the same. Its just a shame that you have the Jack Wilsheres of the world dicking about in clubs whilst on 90k pw advertised across every media outlet.

  67. Micheal

    Footballers are pulling down millions because people like us pour through the turnstiles, pay TV subscriptions, buy replica shirts, etc, etc. Market forces involvig a few hundred players.

    I am far more concerned about the many thousands of bankers, hedge fund managers, property speculators and offshore scumbags pouring money into the Conservaitve Party from tax havens.

  68. Keyser

    Supply and demand dude.

    At what point do you think ‘this money comes from somewhere, we have some responsibility in how it’s distributed or even how it’s accumulated’.

    There’s any number of discussions that could be had, at the moment SKY almost monopolises premiership football for example, even if you’re an proponent of Capitalism you can’t think this is a good thing, even with BTSports introduction.

  69. Foozballfan

    Kane

    Its funny how you said Wenger has achieved top 4 DESPITE losing his key players every season. That statement is exactly why Wenger is a failure specialist. A top coach should never deal with the same problems for a decade. Its like a girl that keeps getting cheated on but keep forgiving her man. She will never be happy until she gets rid of him. Wenger will remain a failure specialist or a 4th specialist until he deals with this injury issues. We would have won the league at least twice by now if Wenger had done something about this injuries. So yea coming 4th is a failure not an achievement. Especially when getting 4th only takes us to Europe where Barca and Bayern is waiting to make us look like school boys AGAIN. How can a top coach gets found out over and over again like that ?

    You talked about Dortmund and Southampton. Southampton should be like 12 or something but they are Top 4. When’s the last time Wenger’s team over achieved ? In the case of Dortmund, i will take their achievements in the last 5 years over ours. Yes that includes being regulation fodder. Oh and they wont be relegated.

  70. Foozballfan

    Carts

    Well spoken. People talk about the stadium and coming Top 4 but neglect the fact that we would come. 1st, 2nd and 3rd every season if Wenger takes care of 2 very possible things. Fix the injury situation and pay some fucking attention to the team we are supposed to play. How can a top coach only focus on their team but not the opponent.

    Even Barca at their very Messi,Xavi, Iniesta best, employed tactics for the opposition. Those guys would have won most of their games without having to press. But they constantly pressed teams becayse they knew teams cant hurt them if they dont have time on the ball. I remember then i used to think its cheating that a team thats already the best in the world wont even let you play.

  71. Foozballfan

    The TV deals.

    Its certainly true Arsenal football club will get more money going forward but so will those 16 teams on the bottom. Suddenly a team like stoke can spend 25 million on a striker. Wenger has been lucky that his Top 4 rivals havent had the team or squad to compete with him. Now they will.

  72. Rosicky@Arsenal

    @ Foozball fan

    What will you take

    Winning the league once in 10byears and finishing bottom of the league the other year

    Or
    Finishing top 4 for 10 years.

    What will you choose. ?

    I will go for option no 2 mate.

    Ask Dortmund fans these days?

    How are they feeling with there team at No20.

    they just won the league 3 years ago i thnk.

    At Arsenal despite all the criticism of Wenger at Le grove everone knows we are in safe hands.

  73. Leedsgunner

    Its funny how you said Wenger has achieved top 4 DESPITE losing his key players every season. That statement is exactly why Wenger is a failure specialist. A top coach should never deal with the same problems for a decade. Its like a girl that keeps getting cheated on but keep forgiving her man. She will never be happy until she gets rid of him. Wenger will remain a failure specialist or a 4th specialist until he deals with this injury issues. We would have won the league at least twice by now if Wenger had done something about this injuries. So yea coming 4th is a failure not an achievement. Especially when getting 4th only takes us to Europe where Barca and Bayern is waiting to make us look like school boys AGAIN. How can a top coach gets found out over and over again like that ?

    Well said. I used to say Wenger never learns but maybe the real problem is he doesn’t want to learn. Maybe he takes more pleasure from the fact that he’s achieved 4th despite his many adversities — despite the fact that playing squad wise many of these “adversities” are self made and self perpetuated.

    Wenger always looks for excuses but never demands accountability from himself. No wonder we keep making the same mistakes!

  74. Willow Wilson

    Kane
    Fair and balanced comments.

    Fooztball fan is like too many that treat the 10 year’s as if we achieved nothing. The club is a different beast now. Be proud of the stadium and how the club has grown in ten years.

    They are either ignorant of the facts or just rying to ignore facts that do not fit. Trying to pretend the stadium was a gift from God, Highbury rebuilt itself, we didn’t have to trade players for a profit or that we could compete with billion pound investments of those two clubs is utterly preposterous.

    Blame the manager for other things but don’t act like we achieved nothing. It’s ignorant guff.

  75. Relieable sauce

    Its the punters who are responsible for the inflated sums involved with the PL & no-one else. I dont really blame them for elevating the game beyond the reach of the common man as we all need an escape from the daily grind. Fretting over the trials & tribulations of a group of men playing a game is far more appealing than thinking about real life issues for many.
    They have us by the balls & they know it…& if they lose grip of a pair here n there, there is no shortage of takers willing to drop their prized plums into their icy grasp without a second thought.
    Stan made a great decision when he chose to buy Arsenal as an investment, it must be one of the safest yet most lucrative clubs to own & he sure as hell wouldnt have got away with it at any other “big” club.

  76. Marc

    With the last deal I thought the PL Chairmen got together and introduced a type of FFP into PL rules. One of these was that wage bills could only go up by 4% pa unless other new revenue streams could be demonstrated to fund them. The motive behind this was to stop agents and players taking the bulk of the £3 odd billion in the deal.

    Surely they’ll have something similar or stronger in place after the new deal?

  77. Emiratesstroller

    The real problem at Arsenal is that history keeps on repeating itself.

    Just when you think that our injury crisis is coming to an end we get another
    batch of problems.

    Our teams are also physically not strong enough especially against the more combative teams in the league. Spurs played a physical and high tempo game against us as did Leicester in second half on Tuesday. We could not handle it.

    For sure Middlesbrough will adopt similar tactics in FA Cup on Sunday.

    I agree with Leedsgunner that Arsenal should be recruiting players in 20-26
    year age group. That is actually what has been happening over last 2 years when we spend money. The only exception was Debuchy who came in at 29
    as replacement for Sagna, but who will most probably be replaced in starting
    line up by Bellerin in next couple of years.

    Bielek aged 17 was a low budget acquisition and I suspect that whilst he may train with first team the chances are that he will be playing in U21 team or farmed out on loan to lower Division or Overseas Teams. for a couple of years
    at least with the occasional cameo appearance in cup games.

    What I do know is that if Arsenal are to progress we need more physically reliable and energetic players than we have got at moment.

  78. Foozballfan

    Kwik fit

    When it rains it pours. Imagine Phil brown making that statement 10 years ago. In 3 years people will be saying Phil brown is on the same level as Wenger. I dont blame them though. Its up to Wenger to change that impression but the old man enjoy his 4th too much to do anything about it.

  79. Foozballfan

    Willow wilson

    No offence but Wenger gets too much credit for building that stadium . Did he build it with his own hands or money ? Nope. Hes a coach first of all, thats his priority not building stadiums.

    Chelsea dont have a particularly big stadium but they ve won trophies like crazy.

  80. MidwestGun

    At Arsenal despite all the criticism of Wenger at Le grove everone knows we are in safe hands.
    _________
    Are you Josh Kroenke? Nobody is worried about relegation, no. They are worried about ever again being in for a shout at the Premier League title late in May sometime before they die.

  81. alex cutter

    “Blame the manager for other things but don’t act like we achieved nothing. It’s ignorant guff.”

    How does Wenger’s dick taste? Salty?

  82. carts

    Keyser – in an ideal world nurses should be paid a salary that reflects what they actually do, while working hours that allow them to have a life outside of the medical profession.

    I’ve said to many friends and family, when discussing this sensitive subject, that I’d be more than happy to pay, say, an extra £5 via NI if it means better service and pay.

    To even make an argument about what nurses and footballers earn is pointless as in the case of the EPL, SKY pay what they pay cos in the long run they make a naughty ROI.

    essentially, since as far back as anyone can remember, entertainment in all its form is where the money is at. Big brands wanting to be synonymous with big names is what drives revenue. There’s a reason why my local hospital isnt sponsored by Emirates or Etihad..

    Lastly, “politics” doesn’t have nowhere as much influence on sports as it does on health care.

    Like I said, its unfair to a degree, but at the end of the day people make a choice to do what they do – football or nursing.

  83. Foozballfan

    Rosicky@Arsenal

    I hear what you are saying but Dortmund didnt only win the league, they were also second and they played at the champions league final. Their team isnt exactly like Real madrid but they made it work. They sell their stars every year just like us but that never stops them until this season really. Athletico has been battling Barca and Real without those teams’ fund. Why is 4th the best Wenger can do ?

  84. Anon

    You are right about the appeal of the league. Its hard to watch la liga, even though I love the tactics, because the crowd isn’t there. Premier league needs to keep the stadiums packed and loud. Make sure the prices are attractive to away fans and diehard home fans. Thats what makes me pay for the EPL.

  85. MidwestGun

    Not a newsflash, but people don’t get paid according to their value to society.

    Call me when doctors are getting 60,000 people to come watch them do heart surgery. Or tv companies are willing to pay 6 billion to broadcast a kidney transplant. Footballers are paid stupid money but the clubs generate stupid money through their talent and commercial value.
    I thought it was a pretty silly comparison also.
    Drug dealers are an illegal activity which is why they get paid a lot. They are assuming a great risk. Also, a silly comparison.
    It would be a better comparison to compare footballers to movie stars or television stars, imo.

  86. carts

    Midwest – that’s exactly it. Both professions are at either ends of a (skewed?) spectrum. It really is a pointless debate.

  87. Keyser

    Lol I understand the technicalities of it, morally I don’t think you can argue that it should be like this or that we should simply leave it unregulated.

    Give me reasons why you appreciate it’s a skewed spectrum, but that it should remain like this ? Are we dealing with Communist/ Socialist/ Capitalist ideals ?

    Because with Sky’s dominance, and even with BTSport’s introduction I don’t think it’s an especially free market, you can’t simply say Supply and Demand like this explains it all.

    Midwest – Yet how many states have started raking in the Marajoowana monies ?

  88. carts

    Midwest – its currently being shot as we speak.

    My heart skipped a couple beats when i read Daniel Craig busted up his knee.

    After the success of Skyfall, they’ve got to raise the bar in this one. I also read as DC has 2 films left of the Bond franchise, Spectre might be shot as a 2 part film.

  89. Vince

    I feel like fantasizing tonight and here is what Arsenal will look like next season if I were the coach.
    Sold/Released: Per, Arteta, Flamini, Theo, Podolski, Campbell, Sanogo, Ozil, Giroud and Jenkinson. (50m).
    Buys: Cech/Forster (4m), Fabian Schar (free) , Schneiderlin (25m), Sissoko (15m) , Memphis Depay (15m) , Lacazete (30m) and Javier Pastore (30m). 119m.
    Net Spend: 6th.
    first 11:
    Cech, Debuchy, Kos, Paulista, Monreal, Schneiderlin, Sissoko, Pastore, Alexis, Depay and Lacazete.
    2nd 11: Ospina, Bellerin, Chamberlain, Schar, Gibbs, Coquelin, Rosicky, Cazorla, Gnabry, Ox and Akpom.
    Expendables: Schez, Ramsey, Wilshere, Welberk, Giroud, etc.

  90. carts

    Keyser – skewed spectrum as that what it is; I don’t agree with it though.

    Consultants and GPs are well compensated, but its the nurses that generally aren’t. The Government know this and give zero fucks – as they stand to gain nothing except maybe a couple of digits after the decimal point when delivering annual GDP numbers.

  91. Keyser

    It’s not even really the comparison to doctors and nurses and from other forms of entertainment football differs because it’s still a sport, I think this needs to be addressed, we were already crushing the crap out of of other leagues in terms of tv rights we’re now earning up to 7-8 times what others leagues are.

    Will this sort itself out, at some point will interest just dwindle, well rather than wait for that bubble to burst why not actually be pro-active about it.

  92. Keyser

    I honestly don’t think the spectacle has improved, it’s tedious just letting teams dominate leagues and even the Champions League, Ronaldo vs Messi is probably one of the most boring narratives of all time.

  93. carts

    The onus is on the power that be to be firm with FFP as they have been with PSG & City. That’s all we can ask for really.

    Its almost fitting that the EPL commands so much dough, after all London/CoL see more money than any other city lol

  94. useroz

    The cash and tv money was key factors stan bought into arsenal.

    You think he’d give a little bi up to benefit the fans? C’mon. The 3% hike on tickets wouldnhave been needed at all but still they did it. That tells you all.

    The tv money simply converts to part of mega cash reserve, for stan unfortuately.

  95. MidwestGun

    Keyser does have a certain Ernst Blofeld feel to his comments.

    Sitting at home typing his comments whilst stroking a large white cat plotting the destruction of Paulinho. Lol.

  96. MidwestGun

    Hahaha I don’t know. Just how my mind works. I liked Casino Royale better too. But I liked Skyfall, too. A lot of people didn’t like it but I saw it at the I -max 3d theatre so the opening chase scene on the train was amazing.

  97. Relieable sauce

    More like the Rutg Hauer (sp?) character in “The Hitcher” Keyser?

    What was his name…?

    “Your a smart kid,…”

  98. salparadisenyc

    Connery
    Craig
    Moore
    Lazenby
    Dalton

    Dalton was a major low. Moore may of been the campiest but having 3 nipples in the Man with the Golden gun surely trumps Lazenby. Although I did like On her Majesty’s secret service.