Indistinguishable #1 is bad news | CHUBA SIGNS DA TING

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Arsene Wenger has thrown down the gauntlet to David Ospina.

“Wojciech is the No.1 but David has played recently. Can he retain the shirt in the coming games? We’ll decide that.”

It’s interesting, you kind of get the feeling Wenger doesn’t totally rate Ospina. He has a habit of surrounding Wojciech with weak competition (Viviano, Almunia, Fabianski to an extent), in some weird sort of paternalistic play to make his favourite come good. For me, the worry with Ospina sits around his frame. He’s very small and he’s not exactly built for the Premier League. If he’s not of the quality level we need, begs the question why we don’t just go out and buy a keeper who is. Someone like Begovic would be a great option (though I have seen mistakes creeping into his game) or maybe even a keeper like Samir Handanovic of Inter Milan.

We have to address the keeper issue if Ospina isn’t the one. Brilliant keepers are totally integral to being a brilliant side. You can’t have a situation where it’s hard to distinguish who is number one.

You know who I’d love over anyone? Hugo Lloris… is it telling Giroud linked him with the club last year? Man, I really hope so. That would be a sign of intent. Just can’t see Wenger dropping £25m on a keeper.

The best news of yesterday was hearing Chuba Akpom has signed a new 4.5 year deal, shunning interest from Chelsea, who clearly wanted to sell him for £25m in 5 years, and Liverpool. He’s a sharp talent. Focused, extremely mobile with pace to boot, he looks intelligent on the ball and the team seem to have a soft spot for him. I haven’t been this excited about a youth team striker since Nic Anelka burst onto the scene.

I went to a Telegraph talk fronted by Paul Hayward (very impressive), Tim Sherwood and Henry Winter. It was actually quite interesting. Amusing listening to The Telegraph preach that they were a multi-channel platform… keep up guys! Anyway, it was interesting hearing Henry Winter say that Wenger hadn’t been vindicated… the fans had. Wenger’s belief system hasn’t come good, what he’s actually had to do it take a new approach, firstly by implementing some of the changes I’ve suggested on here over the past 5  years, then taking some advice from his players and Steve Bould on what they want to do.

I said earlier in the season, my biggest disappointment was the top, top players not taking more accountability for the mess. Showing more intelligence on the pitch as well as showing more aggression to be the best off the pitch. The fact they took control of the lack of planning is massive. That sort of mentality, when it works, binds teams and creates a culture of progression. Back in the Bobby Robson days, Mourinho and Pep used to take Robson’s team instructions and rewrite them to be coherent. If something ain’t right, don’t sit back and let it not be right. No one will clap you complaining about a mess you could have cleared up.

Looks like that’s what’s happening. Even hearing Wenger talking about that scouting machine is a massive positive. He didn’t touch it to begin with, but now he’s being coerced into using a bit of data to help support what he sees with his eyes. All positive. You can’t knock someone if they’re trying to improve. All I’ve ever wanted is for us to progress… seems like things might be heading that way.

Let’s hope that we don’t gain some short term success and revert back to type. That really would be upsetting.

This is a really positive spree, but let’s not get carried away. One away win against a team that doesn’t practice tactics is exciting, but it proves nothing. We need to do that regularly. We need to make that a standard offering, not something we clap uncontrollably at… because here’s the thing, playing with a game plan should really be 2015 standard.

Let’s hope it is. A bright, better, smarter Arsenal.

Could be coming… could.

Fingers crossed.

Finally, you should get involved in Arsenal’s‘Be a Gunner. Be a Runner’ race. It’s happening on April 11th. 1000 people running 10 laps around the Emirates. It’s for the Emirates. International fans are hosting their own races. All sounds great, get yourself involved.

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  1. divinesherlock

    NM

    Coquelin spent a year at Freiburg , not saying it will turn out that way but Villareal is a good team better than Olympiakos to be honest and he did sign a contract before leaving too.

  2. Romford Ozil Pele

    So because Alexis likes to drop deep he’s not a forward?! Does that make sense? Messi does the exact same thing. If anything, Messi picks the ball up near the halfway line a ridiculous amount in games, nobody would debate that he’s a forward. Alexis is without doubt a forward. He interprets the role differently but essentially most people would never associate him as a midfielder.

  3. vicky

    Very impressed with De Brune. Would be a great replacement for Poldi.

    De Brune and Schinederlin in the summer would constitute a great summer.

  4. Dream10

    london

    I would classify Sanchez more of a second striker in a 4-4-1-1 or a wide goalscorer
    in a 4-2-3-1/4-3-3/4-1-4-1

    He can be creative, but he has benefited w/ Ozil and Ramsey missing a significant part of the first half of the season. He gets to be on the ball much more here than at Barcelona, which he prefers. Now, with the lineup regularly feature Ozil, Cazorla and Ramsey, we’ll see how good his off the ball movement is.

    Interesting that Reus was our first choice. If he signed last summer, we would not have bought Sanchez

  5. london gunner

    Dunno, Sanchez will take a ball from anywhere, as long as it’s not over his head.

    Lol fair point.

    You made a comparison to rooney today and it was spot on.

    Funny as I had never really realised that.

    But yeah he is in many ways like old rooney with the explosiveness.

  6. Carts

    “Theo’s role is quite simplistic, his game isn’t that complicated. ”

    Agreed; and that’s cos of his lack of versatility more than anything.

    Nowadays, footballers of the upper echelons pretty much invent roles for themselves. I say it in the sense of someone like Ronaldo, Messi and Sanchez. I theory they’re told to do a specific job: See Ronaldo when he forst joined Utd. Over time, their importance to the team becomes so great that they’re practically afforded the luxury to do what they please.

    What we see of Sanchez isn’t due to Wenger’s input; it’s more to the fact that Sanchez has created this role for himself. He has far more freedom than he did at Barcalona.

    Walcott doesn’t have the skill, influence or know-how to be able to dictate terms on the pitch, and for that reason I’d happily do away with him. Walcott knows nothing else but to sit on the right like Aaron Lennon. When’s the last time you saw Walcott pop up on the left, cut it, drop a few shoulders and put the ball in the opposite corner?

  7. Nasri's Mouth

    @divinesherlock

    That’s true, but I don’t think Wenger was anticipating a future for Coquelin at Arsenal either

    There certainly weren’t many fans that imagined he was going to be a potential starter for us.

  8. Romford Ozil Pele

    “People need to get of hazard dick.De bruyne is the better player and he proved it in the WC when Hazard.”

    Relax.

    De Bruyne has done fantastically well this season but he’s only a couple months younger than Hazard who has achieved a lot more. De Bruyne was more impressive at the WC but it means squat. Ronaldo did nothing at the WC.

  9. Romford Ozil Pele

    Divine,
    With my cynical hat on, I think Arsenal got him to sign a new contract as the previous one expired in 2016. Now Arsenal have more leverage when it comes to transfer discussions with other clubs. Campbell has loads of people to get above to play at Arsenal and at his age he needs to play games. He won’t get that here unfortunately.

  10. london gunner

    Dream10

    I dunno man. I have to disagree for a few key reasons

    1 The stats show he has more defensive input than any midfield player (not very typical of a forward is it?)

    2 He has more key passes per game than Cazorla and the same amount of through balls.. showing his pretty damn solid in the creative department

    3 His heat maps show he covers more of the pitch and more diverse ranges of areas than anyone else .. that isn’t a forwards game

    4 according to renowned statistical sites he starts just over double the games as a midfielder and thus in that position than as a forward/wide forward (his only started 3 games as a wide forward)

    5 Basically every stat shows his way way way more than just a wide forward and in many ways that’s less than 50 percent of his game. I would say his 40 percent typical attacking mid or RAM/LAM… 30 percent wide forward and 10 percent playmaker 10 percent box to box 10% utter don

  11. Nasri's Mouth

    Carts: it’s more to the fact that Sanchez has created this role for himself. He has far more freedom than he did at Barcalona.

    That’s not quite right. At Barca, Messi was king, so everything went through him. Even Suarez who is an exceptional player has a subservient role to Messi.

    IMO, it’s more a case of Sanchez being restricted at Barca, and not at Arsenal. What we’re seeing is simply what Barca would have had, if they didn’t have Messi.

    (And this isn’t really a criticism of Barca. When you have Messi, there’s no blame in building a team around him)

  12. Rocky Pires

    Gary Breen was so impressive at the World Cup 2002 that Barcelona wanted to sign him .
    Needless to say ther wasnt as much Youtubing available but havent seen him play in flesh they quickly withdrew the contract offer.
    World Cup always throws up a few Worldies…

  13. vicky

    Mourinho has offloaded these players….

    ————-Schwarzer——————-

    bertrand——–Luiz———–Bruma————-Cole

    ——————Essien———–Lampard————-

    —-Schurrle———-Mata———-De Brune——-

    ——————–Lukaku——————————

  14. Rocky Pires

    Will be interesting to see Sanchez , Giroud and Ozil up top .
    Ozils new found pace and confidence gives up the option that if Alexi goes deep Ozil can go in behind and vice versa .

    Getting excited about this game . Another test for us but a win will send out a big statement .

  15. Dream10

    Can Arsenal or any team win the league with Alexis Sanchez being the main offensive thereat?

    You look at Costa, Aguero and Suarez, who are all capable of scoring 25+ league goals when healthy.

    Reus and Hazard are better playmakers but Sanchez is a better goalscorer.

  16. Nasri's Mouth

    @Dream10

    Reus has had some worrying injury problems too. El Shaarawy has had broken metatarsals , whereas Reus has had ligament and muscle problems.

    Reus is an exceptional player, but at 25, I’d worry that his injury problems are only going to continue

  17. Carts

    “That’s not quite right. At Barca, Messi was king, so everything went through him. Even Suarez who is an exceptional player has a subservient role to Messi. ”

    Well, that goes without saying. Clear as day that when Ronaldinho passed on the crown to Messi, Messi would assume fully control of the ship.

    The point I was making was the position, to run the ship, is almost open to whom ever feel they have what it take. Now Syarez, as good as he is is still behind Messi and Neymar; with Neymar being a considerable distance behind Messi.

    With Walcott, he simply doesn’t have what is required to ever come close to an inegral figure at Arsenal.

  18. divinesherlock

    Romford/ NM

    But if future isnt envisaged for him surely the better option would’ve been to sell him to Villareal instead of loaning him dont you think , why sign another contract?

  19. Carts

    ————-Schwarzer——————-
    bertrand——–Luiz———–Bruma————-Cole
    ——————Essien———–Lampard————-
    —-Schurrle———-Mata———-De Brune——-
    ——————–Lukaku——————————

    And that is still a very good team. Easily challenge for 4/5th

  20. london gunner

    Carts

    I agree with this in so many ways

    “Nowadays, footballers of the upper echelons pretty much invent roles for themselves. I say it in the sense of someone like Ronaldo, Messi and Sanchez. I theory they’re told to do a specific job: See Ronaldo when he forst joined Utd. Over time, their importance to the team becomes so great that they’re practically afforded the luxury to do what they please.What we see of Sanchez isn’t due to Wenger’s input; it’s more to the fact that Sanchez has created this role for himself. He has far more freedom than he did at Barcalona”

    You have summed up Sanchez game lovely.

    But I don’t really get the next step of saying do away with Walcott because his no Sanchez…

    It really doesn’t make sense. Why would you want to get rid of an amazing finisher… There will come times in a season when Sanchez is injured/fatigued or needs resting and w e need goals.

    Walcott imo could be our dzeko scoring crucial goals… Of course we have aguero, but we our need our dzeko and welbz/ox aint that they wont score you those crucial goals/ register those crucial assists.

    Walcott is limited, but his incredibley specialsiez at what he does well. WE need that tool.

    LEt me sum it up Walcott has scored 2 goals in 7 appearances this season.

    Ox has scored 2 goals in 27 appearances…

    You just don’t get rid of a sharp tool for a blunt one.

  21. Nasri's Mouth

    @divinesherlock

    Villarreal might not want to buy him.

    They might have a requirement for a short term loan until the player they really want is available in the summer.

    Campbell might not want to go.

    He might think he still has a future at the club, and he’s hardly going to sign a new deal (for commercial reasons) if he’s told he definitely doesn’t.

    I might be wrong, but Wenger’s been pretty clear in the way he’s played him so far, and he just doesn’t impress me.

    Maybe after spending so long trying to get him, and hanging on to him Wenger isn’t quite ready to give up yet, but I bet if anything like the right offer comes along in the summer, he’ll be off

  22. Carts

    “Reus is an exceptional player, but at 25, I’d worry that his injury problems are only going to continue”

    Reus’ injuries are by way of him getting whacked!!!! His most recent injury was from the other player just missing the ball and catching Reus’ inside ankle.

    I’d be more concerned if he has repeated muscle injuries or knee ligament injuries.

  23. Nasri's Mouth

    @Carts

    Doubt it very much

    With Essien and Lampard, it would get ripped apart in the middle. Mata doesn’t do much if any defensive work, (that’s why Mourinho got rid of him). Coles legs have gone, Luiz can be a calamity, Lukaku is way off form , Schurrle is suffering WC hangover

  24. Marko

    Please no bad mouthing Alexis or needlessly debating who’s better him or the 72 Brazil team. Let’s just enjoy the fact we’ve a great player (one of the very best widemen in world football) who’s capable of scoring 20-30 goals and who isn’t even an out and out striker. Build the team around getting the best out of him and there’s no telling how fan we can go the next few years

  25. Nasri's Mouth

    @Carts

    14/15 Torn Ankle Ligament Nov 23, 2014 Jan 8, 2015 46 days
    14/15 Nov 10, 2014 Nov 18, 2014 8 days –
    14/15 Raptured Ankle Ligament Sep 8, 2014 Oct 6, 2014 28 days
    13/14 Jun 7, 2014 Aug 14, 2014 68 days
    13/14 muscular problems Mar 8, 2014 Mar 20, 2014 12 days
    13/14 Feb 8, 2014 Feb 17, 2014 9 days
    13/14 Bruise on ankle Dec 1, 2013 Dec 6, 2013 5 days
    13/14 Intraarticular ligament crack initiation in ankle joint Oct 5, 2013 Oct 15, 2013 10 days
    13/14 Abdominal Influenza Sep 8, 2013 Sep 11, 2013 3 days
    13/14 Aug 12, 2013 Aug 13, 2013 1 days
    12/13 muscular problems Apr 12, 2013 Apr 17, 2013 5 days
    12/13 Strained Abdominal Muscle Apr 5, 2013 Apr 8, 2013 3 days
    12/13 tear in the abductor muscle Feb 4, 2013 Feb 8, 2013 4 days

  26. london gunner

    Carts

    “With Walcott, he simply doesn’t have what is required to ever come close to an inegral figure at Arsenal.”

    And OX/Welbeck does?
    Walcott at 21 9 goals… more than 4 assists
    OX 2 goals at 21 2 assists
    Welbz at 24..7 goals

    Its not so much that I don’t get the walcott criticism its the fact I think people are incredibly biased towards him. yet are completely blind to OX/Welbz failings.

    If your going to bash him.. bash the others. People then go “but OX can dribble” and some such, but matters little in the top league if your end product is gash.

    I just don’t get the dribbling>end product fetish.

    Also comparing Lennon to Walcott makes literally zero sense as one has posted WC finishing stats and the other can not hit a barn door with a banjo.

  27. Romford Ozil Pele

    “Ozils new found pace”

    Lol mate, this didn’t appear overnight. He’s just very selective in terms of when he uses it. He himself is very quick.

  28. Romford Ozil Pele

    LG, again, not sure your obsession with comparing Ox with Theo. Ox himself is a midfielder. He’s more dynamic. What Walcott has over him is the running in behind which he specialises in. The reason more people have a hard-on for Ox is because they can see he has a higher ceiling. You keep using stats to compare them when they’re nothing alike in terms of how they play.

  29. Romford Ozil Pele

    “I just don’t get the dribbling>end product fetish.”

    Lol, Walcott has been here nearly a decade. End product is the least I expect from him. Ox has time on his side.

  30. Carts

    LG – Thanks, pal.

    I think with Theo, imho that is, he occupies an area on the pitch that I deem very important. Now, yes, he is a fine finisher when on his A game, however, I feel as though we can acquire someone that offers us that chance:goal ratio and still ogives so much more in other departments.

    I don’t mind Theo; Theo from the bench when needing a goal is as good as it gets for anyone. As exhibited by Mourinho: when you have player A, and know that by selling player A you get player B with more to his game, the end result should equate to better results.

    Chambo, which you made a great point of is starting to engimatise, in the sense that he really needs to make position X his own otherwise he’ll forever be a 65 min man/ impact sub.

  31. Cesc Appeal

    NM

    Ah! That’s a shame.

    Probably means Ozil on the left for Spurs then, had a great game last weekend but so sure about that one for Spurs away.

  32. Romford Ozil Pele

    For a winger/wide-forward, Reus has averaged 20 goals in the last two seasons which is superb. His return rate is awesome. Even this season he has 6 in 12 league games despite being fit. My issue is that he does seem to be picking up a lot of injuries nowadays. But for £20m it’s well worth the money. Great player. Rosicky, you’re his idol, get on the blower son 😀

  33. Rocky Pires

    Romford Ozil PeleFebruary 4, 2015 15:14:04
    “Ozils new found pace”Lol mate, this didn’t appear overnight. He’s just very selective in terms of when he uses it. He himself is very quick.

    I know Buddy but with the team being more dynamic, we are seeing the real Ozil now. It was a pisstake comment re the New Mesut Ozil, all the pundits are now seeing

  34. Nasri's Mouth

    @london gunner

    Reus might be a bigger improvement over Walcott than Schneiderlin is over Coq, but we have more cover up front than we do in the middle

  35. Romford Ozil Pele

    Rocky, not really sure I subscribe to the notion of anything new. Ozil is very quick. His pace is only really ever seen when a team counters though. Has great accerleration. Look at the ground he made up for his goal vs Norwich last season. I much prefer Arsenal on the counter, it’s where we see Ozil at his best. But Wenger thinks we’re best in possession so it is what it is. As long as we win I don’t care really.

  36. Carts

    LG – I’m not a defender of either OX or Welbeck. Ask anyone in here, when we signed Welbeck I was pissed; moreso at the fact that we could’ve scooped Bony for an extra £3m. But like someone said, Welbeck versatility, to operate on the flanks seem to have convinced Wenger.

    After his Hat-trick against Gala, the media made some gag about how Utd miss his goals…really Bruh?! Kid has scored thrice since then.

    Re: Ox see my previous post. I like him but again, there’s nothing that tells me he’s ready to taken on the burden like Sterling.

  37. london gunner

    ROP

    “He’s more dynamic. ”

    In the sense he has very poor at finishing?

    Or is it the fact his not very creative.. doesn’t create many goals?

    Or isn’t involved in the build up for most goals when his on the pitch?

    If that’s dynamic I must be uber dynamic at football lol

    In terms of athleticism his got the raw components, but untill he actually starts performing his just a decent dribbler with a fair amount of pace and those players are a dime a dozen in any league in Europe.

    I use stats because OX is essentially an attacking mid and because of this he should very much have a high amount of goals/ assists.

    Your making a phoney excuse going his a midfielder so goals/assists and involvement in goals (pre assists ect) aren’t supposed to be expected.

    If that’s the case and his not an attacking mid just a mid why is his defensive contributions also very poor.

    You can’t have it both ways can you. You shouldn’t making excuses for OX you should be asking the questions of why he isn’t doing more…

    My main argument is its very quantitative to see what Walcott brings to the table aka goals and assists (that are actual match winning contributions)

    In terms of OX there isn’t much his actually bringing to the table attack wise/creative wise/defence wise. All you ever have to say is his mythical potential. but potential isn’t currency performances are.

  38. Rocky Pires

    Will be interesting to see Morgan Sch in the 4-1-4-1 role, he has being playing with a partner the last few years.
    He is more of a baller than Coq but I just hope he doesn’t get the “Arsenal football Bug” and we see him thinking he is a strkier/CDM.
    Hope he is as disciplined as the Coq .

    The very same bug hit Ramsey,Wilshere and Song in the past .
    They all lost their discipline and abandoned the defensive duties .

  39. Romford Ozil Pele

    “In the sense he has very poor at finishing?”

    Lol stop trolling. We never bought Ox for his goals. The main issue with Ox is that nobody has actually clarified his position. He’s played on the right this season and his goalscoring hasn’t been that great but that doesn’t mean his performances haven’t been good.

    He’s not very creative. You do know he’s one of the top players for take-ons in the world right? (http://www.football-observatory.com/IMG/pdf/wp97_eng.pdf)

    Mate I could show you clips of chances created, but because it doesn’t fit your agenda you’d just disregard it.

    Listen, I get it, you don’t like people offending your boy Theo but stats aren’t gonna keep him from getting sold lol.

    You still havent showed me your source that said Kroos is the most complete playmaker in world football. Makes me think you’re just plucking these things out of the air.

  40. Romford Ozil Pele

    “At least his with some hotties. Lol his been papped with some dogs in the past.”

    Yeah the girls are hot. He’s a 23 year-old so he is just acting like a typical lad. But considering his wages and the fact he’s always broken, people will question him lol

  41. Carts

    NM – im not disputing his recent record, just stating the fact that what has kept him on sideline longest is the impact tackles.

  42. london gunner

    ROP

    IFFHS it’s basically Ballon d’or like a panel of experts across all the continents vote on the best playmaker is

    My stats aren’t plucked from the air. That readily available stats bomb/whoscored/squawka/espn

    His not very creative in terms of chances created for others. I already said his a decent dribbler, but is that the be and end all of creativity? If anything its more a facet of having pace.

    I could show you clips of Walcott delivering sublime through balls, brilliant passes would that prove or a point or would that warp an argument?

    Theo isn’t my boy. I would prefer Reus, BUT I would sell Ox before Walcott.

    Because aside from dribbling ox has terrible end porduct and for all his skills on the ball is very rarely involved within the build up of goals.

    So I will ask if his not scoring, providing assists, starting off goals scoring moves and isn’t putting in a real defensive shift what does he bring?

    You still haven’t answered. Because you can’t! Instead you have the combination of well his got potential/he hasn’t clarified his position… That’s weak dude.

  43. Romford Ozil Pele

    LG, ok i’ll play your game. He plays 1.5 key pass per game according to Whoscored, not bad considering he isn’t the vocal point of the side. 3.6 dribbles per game is ridiculous high, especially when that is then used to set up a chance for others. 1.5 tackles per game isn’t the worst either. He isn’t vacating his position like others do.

    He’s not a forward so of course his numbers will pale in comparison to Theo. Of course i’m going off potential, what else do I have to go off? This is his first proper season that he’s had as a starter and even then he’s moaned that he isn’t at 100% because he’s playing through the pain barrier: http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/arsenals-alex-oxladechamberlain-playing-through-the-pain-barrier-has-been-holding-me-back-10022996.html

  44. Carts

    I think Reus ends up in the EPL; possibly in Manchester. Only conceivable way he comes to Arsenal is if we lose Welbeck or Theo…

  45. gambon

    Yeah Romford,

    I would take the risk on Reus at £20m

    Only problem is it would take £160-200k per week, which could backfire.

    He is just a ridiculously good player,

    As much as im not a huge Giroud fan, a front 3 of Giroud, Sanchez, Reus would be seriously good. As good as anything.

    Smap Giroud for Benzema and we have ourselves a CL winning attack.

  46. Dream10

    Jack Wilshere doing lad stuff. Not a problem.
    But I don’t see him being at the club past Euro ’16. By then, at least two starting capable CM will join.

  47. gambon

    Oxlade has undoubted potential but he really does need to start affecting games.

    Why on earth he hasnt been loaned out i’ll never know.

    Wenger never seems to have a plan for these kids.

    He shouldve been loaned straight out to Southampton when we signed him, then loaned in the PL the following season.

    Look at the difference between Sterling and Oxlade. One looks like he has potential the other is affecting games and one of the best players in the PL.

  48. Carts

    Gambon – “As much as im not a huge Giroud fan, a front 3 of Giroud, Sanchez, Reus would be seriously good. As good as anything.”

    See this is the problem, being on player away from having a total upgrade on our front 3 is within touching distance. BVB probably can’t believe what is about to happen to them.

    If Wenger has anything between he’s ear he’d cut his losses on either Walcott or Welbeck and go all out for Reus.

  49. OnlyCameToSeeEboue

    RP I think you’re being a touch unfair. Ox is clearly better at playing football than Theo but at the top level that doesn’t matter so much. It is too simplistic to assume that one day suddenly OX will have end product. He could easily go his whole career without having it. At the top level you need good numbers to back up your good play and Ox doesnt even look like getting that. He’s had chances over the years albeit not consitency but still hasnt shown that knack, not even in patches like say a Vela did with finishing or even Merida with creativity.

    Walcott is an easy scapegoat because he’s style is not particularly easy on the eye but lets be honest his stats make him worth his place ahead of Ox for now. We already have players who do what Ox tries to do, but a lot better than him. Untill he starts adding numbers to his overall play (be it goals or assist, which are the most important, forget number of dribbles etc) he cant really deserveany adulation at the expense of Theo.

  50. Romford Ozil Pele

    “Look at the difference between Sterling and Oxlade”

    Slight difference though. Sterling literally had no competition for his place. He was also playing in a side playing once a week, in that sense his development hasn’t been hindered in the slightest. But yes, Ox should start posting better stats as that’s the only way people will stand up and take notice. His technique is great and it was revealed recently that since Poldi left, Ox has the hardest shot in the squad. Needs to make more of it.

  51. Blsany

    “Oxlade has undoubted potential but he really does need to start affecting games.Why on earth he hasnt been loaned out i’ll never know.Wenger never seems to have a plan for these kids.He shouldve been loaned straight out to Southampton when we signed him, then loaned in the PL the following season.Look at the difference between Sterling and Oxlade. One looks like he has potential the other is affecting games and one of the best players in the PL.”

    Agreed.Some people would have you believe Barkley is better than both.

  52. Romford Ozil Pele

    “At the top level you need good numbers to back up your good play”

    Tell that to Xavi, Iniesta, Modric, Kroos, Schweinsteiger etc. Rosicky has never been a prolific player yet Reus idolises him.

    I do agree that Ox should score more with his ability but I don’t think he should be judged alone on that tbh. Goals/assists can at times tend to over-inflate the opinion of someone IMO. It’s the only reason people try and compare Ronaldo to Messi. You then watch them and realise it’s night and day between the players. It’s like Ozil at the weekend got a goal and an assist and some media are jumping on his d***k. Seen him play better tbh.

    Xavi/Iniesta have been the best midfielders over the last 6/7 years but stats would never view them favourably. Lampard scores more goals than Iniesta but I would never ever have Lampard over Iniesta. You get my drift.

  53. Romford Ozil Pele

    Also, having Sanchez/Theo in the same side would be detrimental to the team IMO. You’d be turning over possession at a ridiculous rate.

  54. Ichiban

    all this Reus talk is certainly exciting, the only reason I haven’t indulged in it is I don’t think we actually have any realistic chance to sign him.

    Just thinking about the dynamics of the summer transfer window:

    Reus will only go to a top team finishing either in the top 4 of the EPL or top 2 in Spain, or PSG. I don’t see any Italian club being able to attract him over there in all honesty. This brings the likely teams to be in for him to Real, Barca, Man City, Man U, Chelsea, PSG & Arsenal.

    Chelsea have just picked up Cuadrado and Hazard is their other winger. Willian on the bench & Salah on loan. Well stocked in wide positions.

    Man U play a winger less formation and are well stocked in forward positions as well. I can see LVG still going in for him though but it’s obvious they need to strengthen majorly at the back and in defensive midfield.

    Man City will be looking for a Navas/Milner upgrade this sumer so I think they are our main competition for Reus’ signature

    PSG is the wildcard as every summer they throw large sums of money at at least one player. Lavezzi hasn’t had a good season, they may be looking to move him on and bring in Reus. Not too sure he’d like to play in France rather than the EPL though.

    Barca and Real would not be able to give him assurances of a starting place so I don’t see them being in the running unless Either one makes a major sale. If Pedro is leaving Barcelona or Jese Rodriguez leaving Real to make space for Reus, we should be in for either of those two, both good players who would improve us. Jese is maybe around Oxlade chamberlain’s level but has better finishing.

    I don’t think Reus’ injury problems are that much of an issue as we have very strong cover in wide positions. Bringing him in would mean having Walcott and The Ox as wide cover for Reus and Sanchez. I’d imagine Campbell would go out on loan again.

    We should get the German lads in the squad to start tapping up Reus now… Tell him how awesome the London life is!

  55. vicky

    Well, Ox has been hard done by the fact that he has not got a chance to play in his favored position for a long stretch. Besides, not being a regular does not help either. He is undoubtedly a far better player than Walcott though. Do not forget that Walcott is raking up the numbers that he is after a prolonged period of playing abject football and given chance after chance by Wenger. And still, the jury is out on him.

    If Ox were to be given even one fifth of the chances that Walcott have been, his game will reach to another level altogether. Although, for me he still offers more than Walcott.

  56. OnlyCameToSeeEboue

    I fully get what you mean., but those guys you mentioned are far greater footballing brains than Ox. I don’t think he even has the potential to dictate games the way they do but I digress.

    My point is, at the moment he’s just a body on the pitch. He’s not effective enough at any one thing. If you notice, even when he beats players, he often runs into the next guy and loses the ball. Until he starts making dominating contributions, however that translates, he’s just any guy.

  57. Emiratesstroller

    Pedro

    I beg to disagree with your analysis that a goalkeeper needs to be a huge guy and that you have for this reason concerns about Ospina because of his size.
    For the record England’s three best goalkeepers over the last 30-40 years were
    all comparatively small. Shilton according to his stats was just 5′ 10″ tall and both Gordon Banks and Peter Bonnetti were just 6′ tall the same height as
    Ospina.

    What Ospina does offer is excellent positional sense, calmness and an excellent spring as we saw on Sunday. He had an excellent track record with Chile
    who are ranked higher than England and it should not escape anyone that Arsenal’s defence has improved.

    If you have confidence in your goalkeeper then it percolates through the whole team. If there is a slight criticism it is perhaps his kicking. However, it
    should not escape anyone that since his inclusion in team we have not conceded a goal.

    Let us see how he performs this weekend before we reach final conclusions.

    I am personally very pleased that Akpom has signed a new 4.5 year contract. I
    do think that he is a talented player and once he learns to relax and be clinical
    in front of goal I think that he will do very well. At the moment he ranks third
    string striker at club and that will provide him with opportunity to learn his
    trade.

    I am delighted that Wenger made the decision to loan out Podolski, Campbell
    and Sanogo. The first two were surplus to requirements and the latter based on what I have seen is not as talented as Akpom.

  58. Romford Ozil Pele

    OnlyCameToSeeEboue – I don’t think Ox is a CM though, too much explosiveness in his game for that.

    “Until he starts making dominating contributions, however that translates, he’s just any guy.”

    And this only happens by playing games. Theo has been here 9 years. Ox is literally getting his first full bit of game time this season. The difference is marked. Like Vicky says, if Wenger panders to Ox like he has done with Theo, Ox would’ve already reached a new level IMO. He’ll get there. Ramsey was my favourite British player at Arsenal before but i’ve changed my mind now.

  59. Romford Ozil Pele

    Akpom is actually a really good finisher, one of the strong parts of his game. Think he was nervous at the weekend/anxious to make a good impression so snatched at his chances.

  60. BacaryisGod

    Good to know that ‘the fans’ and Pedro are responsible for any positive changes happening at the club and has nothing to do with our improved financial position these last couple of seasons.

  61. Emiratesstroller

    I have checked stats Peter Bonnetti was 5’10” and Messrs Shilton and Banks were
    6′ 0″ and not as I wrote above.

  62. BacaryisGod

    As for Szczesny and Ospina, what else is he going to say? These are the keepers he has for the season. If he says Chezzer is #2 and then Ospina has a bad couple of games then we’ll have the classic no-win situation. Let’s keep both of them on their toes.

  63. OnlyCameToSeeEboue

    Romford can you give me the name of any established players you compare to Ox int terms of style of play so I get a glimpse into what you expect him to wind up like when he’s peaked.

  64. Emiratesstroller

    Romford Ozil Pele

    Yes I agree that Akpom was at youth level a good finisher. However he needs to
    learn how to replicate that at senior level. That will take time.

    Personally I am in no doubt that Messrs Bellerin, Gnabry and Akpom have all
    got good futures at club if they stay injury free. At the moment I need to be
    convinced about Chambers partly because I don’t know what his best position
    is. He is certainly not as good in right back position as Bellerin.

  65. Romford Ozil Pele

    OnlyCameToSeeEboue – Tbh it’s hard to say. He has a high dribble rate so I guess you could compare him to wingers. But what I like about him is the way he transitions from defence to attack. If anything, it’s quite similar to Rosicky. I prefer him on the left personally but he’s played a lot on the right. Ask me this again in a year when he’s played more.

  66. gambon

    “Tell that to Xavi, Iniesta, Modric, Kroos, Schweinsteiger etc. ”

    Thats not fair.

    Its not all about goals, especially as a CM

  67. BacaryisGod

    Thanks for the link Romford

    I fear for Jack. So much hype at a young age never helps. The concern is that when you have three instances of smoking caught on camera and a probable street fight on top of that on CCTV, you wonder what he’s doing that hasn’t been captured.

  68. Romford Ozil Pele

    If we’re judging Ox as a wide player then sure, goals for need to improve immeasurably but I wouldn’t be slating him for that just yet.

  69. gambon

    Romford

    My thoughts on Ox are that he shouldnt be a part of the team until he is performing to the right level.

    I dont think he will ever be a CM, so as a wide player in our system he will have to score or assist goal, or else hes pretty useless.

    I think he could be a great player, but there are far too many games where he basically doesnt do anything.

  70. Dream10

    Romford

    I would like to see The Ox play as a second striker beside Giroud. He has a great shot off both feet. His dribbling would be more useful near goal. Let him play no more than 25-30 yards from goal. With 3-4 shots per game, he can score 15 league goals

  71. Blsany

    Anyone else seen the story doing the rounds.Saying there is a Isis jihadi who used to play for Arsenal.I think thats Diaby.

  72. Romford Ozil Pele

    “My thoughts on Ox are that he shouldnt be a part of the team until he is performing to the right level.”

    So you’d send him on loan?

    I don’t really like him CM either, think his short passing game is lacking, though Wenger has tried him there a few times and seems to like players who can transition from defence to attack by running through the middle (JW, Rosicky). I prefer him wide so yeah, goals are something he’ll need to improve on but he’s still only 21 so I wouldn’t criticise him for it yet as I think he has it in his locker to do it.

    Personally I don’t see the value in sending him on loan. What would he learn that he can’t here? We have loads of young players. Problem is 1) Wenger doesn’t know what his strongest team is. 2) If he does, none of them have been on the pitch together for a prolonged period of time to make it work.

    FWIW, I don’t think Ox is part of Wenger’s first choice 11. But the only way he improves is to play games. I think it’d be better served here than on loan but we’ll see I guess.

  73. OnlyCameToSeeEboue

    Dream10, 15 league goals a season is a hell of a lot for a player who averages 3 goals as season. Lets set a more realistic target so as to avoid disappointment when he inevitably fails to meet the ridiculously lofty ones we set.

  74. Romford Ozil Pele

    Dream, I could see him doing well there, but isn’t that basically a 4-4-1-1 which we don’t play?! I guess there’s also good reason to think Sanchez would do that exact role a lot better. Generally speaking, Ox should score more because he has a rasping shot and does shoot well off either foot.

  75. gambon

    Romford

    I would have loaned him, its prob too late for that.

    Why loan him? Well hes not currently Arsenal level but he is Newcastle/West Ham level. He could play at one of these clubs until he is Arsenal level.

  76. Ozy

    Are we a training ground for young players to figure out how to score and assist?

    What’s the issue with sending him on loan to a Premier League side? Imagine the Ox playing at Southampton or Everton for a year. Could do wonders for his development.

    We’re supposed to be competing for top honors. We can’t do that if we’re fielding players who “need game time” to develop. As of right now, the Ox adds nothing to the team.

  77. Blsany

    karim
    Yea the article did say he last played for us 2 years ago.The guy in question is black so i assumed to quickly.If you say he “plays” is all good.

  78. Romford Ozil Pele

    Gambon, remember when I first saw Ox as a 16 year old playing for Southampton (then League 1) vs Man United in the F.A Cup. Was MOTM. In his first season here, he was sh**ing all over Man United until Wenger messed it up by bringing on Arshavin. Had that game against AC Milan at CM where he was running it. Even against Bayern Munich last season he showed a lot of good stuff. I think he’s definitely at the level. Main issue for me is his level of consistency. You can only iron that out by playing games. Even then young players will always be prone to periods of inconsistency.

  79. Nasri's Mouth

    @carts

    However he’s got them, I’d be worried he’ll keep on getting them, and it’ll cause him issues in the future.

    For £20m, it’s a decent gamble, but as someone else said, if we’re paying him £10m a year it soon mounts up

  80. Ozy

    “Dream10, 15 league goals a season is a hell of a lot for a player who averages 3 goals as season. Lets set a more realistic target so as to avoid disappointment when he inevitably fails to meet the ridiculously lofty ones we set.”

    Why are we even wasting time with a wide midfielder who we can’t realistically ask to score 15 goals one day?

  81. Romford Ozil Pele

    “We’re supposed to be competing for top honors.”

    Well it’s only recently we’ve started splashing the cash. And we can’t really do a City/Chelsea where we have £30m attackers sitting on the bench so yeah, we’re gonna need to get players up to scratch by developing them.

  82. Romford Ozil Pele

    “Why are we even wasting time with a wide midfielder who we can’t realistically ask to score 15 goals one day?”

    Did you ever see Ramsey scoring 16 goals?!

  83. Nasri's Mouth

    Ox hasn’t quite got his end product sorted. He’s improved a fair bit this season, he’s been hitting the post, and getting fouled after long runs, so he’s nearly there, and against ManC he showed better composure with his defensive discipline, (though he went a bit awol in the 2nd half)

    He’s coming along well.

  84. OnlyCameToSeeEboue

    Ozy, not many top wide midfielders are able to get 15 LEAGUE goals worldwide. Reus is one of the best and he averages about that. 15 in all competitions is abit more realistic

  85. Ozy

    Yeah, Romford, but how do you win with attacking players who can’t score or assist?

    How do you develop them if they’re sitting on the bench? A loan would have been a great option for the Ox, should still be an option.

  86. Ozy

    “Did you ever see Ramsey scoring 16 goals?!”

    Ramsey and Ox play two very different roles (or should)

    It’s not insane to ask an attacking wide midfielder to score double digits, or assist double digits. That should be the standard if we want to compete..

  87. Blsany

    You are going in circles with this argument because the bottom line is Wenger cant develop players for shit.he should just buy finished articles.I am with the guys who are saying Ox will get there but needs guidance and game time.Wenger cant give him that as his playing him different position every week.

  88. Romford Ozil Pele

    “Yeah, Romford, but how do you win with attacking players who can’t score or assist?”

    Ozy, everyone has to be given the chance at some point. Theo was given loads of time so why not Ox? Most players were developed over a period of time. Personally i’d start him but I can see why we won’t. We play 4-1-4-1 now so Alexis is probably the only one that will start anyway. We don’t have a bottomless pit of money even so we have to be intelligent in the way we go about things.

  89. OnlyCameToSeeEboue

    Depends on how much playing time he gets. I think he should be looking at 10 league goals every season but should also be looking to contibute with a lot more assists as well. 12- 15 assist from him is good output considering the entire burden of assists wont be placed on him, because of the type of players we already have.

  90. Romford Ozil Pele

    “It’s not insane to ask an attacking wide midfielder to score double digits, or assist double digits.”

    Isn’t this what Alexis is doing? Basically doing what Theo does and better? He’s 26, 5 years older than Ox. At 21, Alexis scored 6 in 36 for Udinese. You get the drift. Alexis is only three short of his best ever tally in a season. Even Ljungberg at his best only reached double digits for Arsenal three times in 10 seasons.

  91. Ozy

    Right, Romford, and I agree that Ox could develop into a great player to have, even if as just a back up … but it would have been beneficial to both him and the club for him to see to that development on loan at another team, where there’s less pressure and under proper coaching and guidance, like Southampton. If we keep him, I only want to see him starting cup games and games against very weak opposition, which won’t do much for his development but again, he’s not adding much to the team atm.

  92. Romford Ozil Pele

    Ox is being judged against the best wide players in the game. But even the best wide players took time to get to where they’re at now. That’s the point i’m making.

  93. Quagmire

    Football with tech has become more simplistic. Just stats on goals and assists. What about those players who were involved in build up to the goal? Opening spaces, confusing defenders, etc.? From what I have seen, idea have ox on the wing over walcott. We are talking about somebody who took the club hostage and the fans had to beg him to “sign da ting”. Now we are geared for another similar soap opera. This obsession on goals have limited football. Now we are concerned who between ronaldo and messi scored more over the week. It’s so shallow.

  94. Ozy

    Ox is being compared to wide midfielders in his age group who have been as involved in the first team as he has and he still doesn’t measure up.

    There’s a player in there .. I’m not calling to get rid of him but he’s just not doing enough right now to merit a spot in the first eleven. We have far more talented players in his favored positions.

  95. Pedro

    I love the Ox. Think he’s going to be such a talent… and Romford, agree with you, him over Theo. Much better footballer.

  96. Willow Wilson

    ROP
    “Well it’s only recently we’ve started splashing the cash. And we can’t really do a City/Chelsea where we have £30m attackers sitting on the bench so yeah, we’re gonna need to get players up to scratch by developing them.

    Yes, true. We are playing catch up after a massive cash injection from the oligarchs but as ROP says, we are gradually adding WC players but we need to develop too. With Chelsea and City having to manipulate their way around the FFP rules, they too will need to start developing their own players. There may be sanctions regarding the use of the loan system to come, which could affect the strategy of the two oilers. The PL know the loan system was originally designed to give experience to young players but it has been used to stock pile players, while offloading most of their wages (FFP). We shall see.

    Its okay getting in young players, its another giving them opportunities. Wenger will do this. Young Bellerin is proving himself in Debuchys absense, we have Akpom coming through and there are one or two others from the U21’s who have featured like Gnabry & Maitland-Niles. Crowley looks a top prospect, so too Hayden. So lets forget the nonsense about our scouting system, we have some excellent prospects and a few are local ones too.

  97. Nasri's Mouth

    Willow WIlson: Its okay getting in young players, its another giving them opportunities. Wenger will do this. Young Bellerin is proving himself in Debuchys absence.

    Dunno, I think it’s more by accident than design that Bellerin got a run in the side. If Debuchy hadn’t been massively unlucky, Bellerin would have got no more than a few minutes here and there.

  98. gambon

    Romford

    As you say the only way Ox can get to the top level is by playing games.

    ……doesn’t have to be at Arsenal though.

    There’s a reason Chelsea bought Hazard at 21 and not at 19.

  99. salparadisenyc

    This was Jack’s year to make or break his Arsenal career i’d imagine.
    Sell Wilshire for the £20m he’d likely fetch and buy Schneiderlin.
    Spend the summer outlay on Reus and upgrading on our former #1 Sczez.

    That side competes with Mourinho and City.

  100. vicky

    Did not find anyone asking Jack to be sent on loan or Walcott for that matter when he was shit. Why do people have problem with Ox ? and that when he has started influencing games. Good that Wenger rates him highly, others’ opinion matters little.

  101. Insomnia

    the cry from the crowd if Wilshere plays…oh no!

    Pity he is potentially seriously talented – maybe he will raise his game?

  102. london gunner

    ROP

    Sorry those stats you posted about OX to back up your argument were kind of pathetic (not saying your argument in of itself just those very mediocre stats)

    As for Walcott https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7BiQljFEEY

    I would add at this juncture OX can not cross for shit, whilst Walcott actually a very accomplished crosser.

    “Walcott is an easy scapegoat because he’s style is not particularly easy on the eye but lets be honest his stats make him worth his place ahead of Ox for now. We already have players who do what Ox tries to do, but a lot better than him. Untill he starts adding numbers to his overall play (be it goals or assist, which are the most important, forget number of dribbles etc) he cant really deserveany adulation at the expense of Theo.”

    This is hundred percent on the money. In terms of OX aside from showing moments of promise he hasn’t done fuck all to actually impact matches on a regular basis. Whilst hate him or love him Theo has been doing that from the same age as OX’s onwards.

    Also its important to note that before Theo’s injury he was improving every single season and not by small margins, but very large ones. People don’t seem to realise his stats were going through the roof. That is evidence of a player who is not only impacting matches, but improving in his own specialised abilities.

    Whilst OX has basically stagnated and probably needs a loan to get game time.

  103. carts

    NM – too be absolutely dismissive of his recent injuries would be short sighted at best.

    I’m not sure what ankle has taken more hits than Daniele Lloyd, but I do believe constantly f’in your ankle can weaken it and leave you susceptible to more injuries.

    I cant see him being paid more than our highest earner, Ozil. But as he’d cost as half as much, I’d put him on £125k and load it with bonuses.

  104. london gunner

    Pedro

    So you like flash over pure results.

    At the top level my friend the only thing that matters is end results/outcomes.

    I would get the OX love if he was posting similar number to Theo, but till he does his just a promising player who looks good on the eye, but is ultimately very ineffective.

  105. ArseneBgone

    Hey Pedro since your so high and mighty why don’t you jump in between the sticks?? You flip flop with the best so you should fit right into the goal mouth, Pedro our new #1 flip flopper opps meant Goalie, darn slip ups

  106. salparadisenyc

    Waiting for the magic to happen at work… heres looking at 2015-16

    Ospina
    Bellerin Gabriel Koz Monreal
    Schneiderlin Caz
    Sanchez Ozil Reus
    Welbeck

    Team II or Bench options
    Martinez
    Debuchy Mert Chambers Gibbs
    Coq
    Walcott Tr7 Ramsay OX
    Giroud

    Unknowns are Akpom, Bielik and a new GK.. first two could be loaned or may exceed expectation and stay. Ideally a GK comes in to challenge Ospina.
    That A team has so much pace and danger, in form could be devastatingly good.
    Pull Caz or Ozil and beef up defensively if needed.

    I’m not missing Wilshire, guess you could argue TR7 is at the end… think he has at least another season in the tank with Crowley and maybe Zelalem coming forth.

    As for Arteta, ideally he’s backroom, seems to be respected amongst team. If he still wants to play, sell him w/ Szez, Wilshire, Campbell, Podolski, Ryo and Hayden. Release Diaby and Flamini, keeping Sanago on a very long loan.

  107. Cesc Appeal

    Sal

    Really like that first team, just missing a striker is all, but that is certainly offset somewhat by the two widemen.

    Have to say in that line up I think Giroud would work best though. I like Welbeck, like his energy, physicality and workrate I’m just waiting for him to produce more, be more clinical I suppose.

    Quite strange I think with Welbeck and Oxlade you have a perfect contrast to Walcott, the first two seem to offer a lot all round in the game but their stats aren’t that great in terms of goals and assists, then you have Walcott who is rather technically limited and doesn’t always offer that much in terms of all round play but who’s stats are always pretty darn good.

  108. karim

    Dortmund looking like they re gonna lose again, at home this time.

    Has a relegated side ever won the Champions League ?

    Don t bother, I already know the answer.

  109. Nasri's Mouth

    @karim

    The winter break should have been ideal for Klopp to break the pattern and change things. Doesn’t seem to have happened.

    A CL position is out of the question now, If they lose this one, even the Europa League is looking very unlikely.

    At some point it’ll be ‘are they too good to go down?’

  110. Goondawg

    A quick note on Oxlade Chamberlain.. You guys are slagging the wrong player honestly. It should be Welbeck getting most of the ire. I’m certain if Giroud had been playing instead along with Ox he would have bagged a lot more assists.

    I like Welbeck but the blokes finishing is crap. Look at what Ox does in the games. He is a physical specimen and his technique is good. His dribbling and ability to go past players Walcott will never achieve. Whilst Wallys goals and assists CAN be replicated by the Ox.

    Just watch him play. Improved immensely compared to last year. Great player

  111. london gunner

    Goondawg

    If OX can replicate walcotts goals why has only scored 2 this season and registered a paltry 1 assist?

    Walcott at the same age had 9 goals… and numerous assists.

    Try this for size in 27 appearances ox has scored 2 goals
    Walcott in 7 has scored ..coming back from injury..

    People massively massive massively underestimate finishing/being clinical on here. Its a real vital quality that not all players have.

    Not every player has to be a dribbling maestro some players need to be finishers/have end product.