Aston Villa are 3 years ahead of Arsenal

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jees

… and welcome to a wet and foggy edition of Le Grove, the Arsenal blog that will remind you of the weather before every post.

Today we have FA Cup day. Oh what a day. We’re defending champions. Get that? Defending bloody champions. We’re playing Hull. They’re defending second placers.

I don’t know about the statistics, but I feel Hull City earn more live TV game time than any other team in the Premier League. They’re the live team every week. Such a bland outfit. They’re the modern day equivalent of Middlesborough. They shouldn’t be either, Steve Bruce bought pretty well in the summer. They just are though.

So today should be interesting for a number of reasons. Firstly, we have Theo Walcott back in full contention for his first start in about 600 years. He really does need to be treated with kid gloves. If he breaks down again, you’d have to ask questions as to whether he has a suitable future at Arsenal. You can’t take half a season off every season if you’re an important player for a club. Don’t get me wrong, I think a lot of what goes wrong with Theo is down to the way we work with him… but he hardly boasts the robustness of someone like Sanchez.

Another player we’ll see join the party is David Ospina. A player who was injured, then returned too early and injured again, then out for three weeks, then out for eternity. He rejoins the first team with a massive opportunity. My problem with Ospina is that though he had a major World Cup, he does come from a very average club in France and he is a very small keeper. It’s like we purposefully didn’t sign a keeper to challenge Chezzer. In the same way we signed Viviano because he had average statistics in Italy we thought we could improve…

If he comes good today and plays a blinder, I’d expect him to keep his spot. Chezzer has been average all season. No question about it. His positioning is poor. His decision making consistently puts us in trouble. He very rarely bails us out of a mess. It’s amazing how many Arsenal fans don’t pick up on this. There is a hierarchy of criticism at the club. If you take selfies, you have to have at least 10 games grace before anyone will pay any attention to your failings. If you look like one of our greatest left backs (but one we don’t really like now) you’re totally immune. If you look like Phil Neville, fu*k man, you’re in deep shit. Sneeze out of turn and we’ll kill you.

The most exciting thing that could happen today would be handing Chuba (I always shout ‘Shaaaaaba’ in my head) Akpom a start. Outside Wenger putting Podolski out to pasture in Milan, the other interesting move was shifting on Yaya Sanogo. Geoff (Le Grove Geoff) always says that no one ever pulls Wenger when he slinks substandard love children out the back door. Yaya Sanogo was never up to scratch, a million miles off the pace of even a Championship striker, yet we have him lining up against Bayern Munich and in other games where he can barely run 3 yards without falling over like a stack of baked bean cans in an Adam Sandler movie.

Anyway, the offshoot is that the player who has looked better from day dot is in first team contention. I really like this kid. Is it partly to do with his British name, sure, I love it. It’s also down to the how much better he looks than any other child striker we’ve brought through lately.  I think he’s the fastest at the club over ten metres, which means he’s winning over Sanogo already because he can stand up for ten metres worth of sprinting. He looks focused on the pitch, like he’s there to do a job… not like he’s been invited onto the pitch like some sort of shit box Mars Bar TV ad realised. He’s also pretty calm on the ball, he doesn’t give up and he runs defenders hard. I think he’s a real talent. One I’d love to kick on and do well. One that has ten games grace before I lead the call for him to go out on loan.

It’d be nice if we could bring in some other players, maybe give Hayden a go at centre back. Perhaps he could throw Zelalem into the mixer and give Cazorla a breather?

I guess the thing here is that we don’t have good players coming through the ranks at the moment. Have we ever been so bereft of young talent under Wenger? I mean, we don’t even seem to have talent that we could palm off to Sunderland at the moment. The players we put on the bench aren’t Premiership quality. I guess maybe a byproduct of having very little success over the years is that the youth talent doesn’t want to move to us anymore. When we kicked into project youth, the memory of one of the greatest Premiership sides of all time was fresh. Now, who’d want to up sticks and move to a team that plays for top four?

Arsene may have reframed success to a bunch of the Arsenal fans, but you can’t reframe it to footballers who don’t buy into the bollocks.

Interesting to read the interview from Tom Fox who has  headed over to Aston Villa to be their CEO in the summer. The comments are all very future gazing and in a similar tone to what Ivan says at Arsenal. But you can see that he has total control over the set up over there. He’s supposed to be very good with an all American ruthless approach to getting things done.

There were some cornflakes guffawed over the table at some of his comments about a brand being about more than simply winning. I think this is where fans become too caught up in the lack of success at Arsenal. Our issues don’t stem from not having enough ‘winner’ at the club. We have World Cup winners, La Liga winners, 4th Place Trophy winners… plenty of winner You can’t built a global brand around being ‘winners’ because as soon as you’re not winning, you have nothing. The greatest clubs in the world are about so much more. Arsenal, for me, are a brand that is centred around belonging, community and closeness. We’re the most accessible elite club in England.

Our problems centre around culture. Arsene Wenger wants to be a winner. As anyone who has been around him will tell you, ‘nobody feels it like Arsene’… the issue he has is that he wants to be the man who runs everything. So he doesn’t encourage anyone to think for themselves. Dominant leaders stifle subordinate thinking because they don’t listen or they ignore what’s put forward. Our culture is clearly failing at the moment because we don’t have experts taking care of all the parts that make up the machine. If we changed that and put expertise in charge of each area, we’d be so much better as a club.

This was really interesting…

“What we’ve done on the football side is make Sean Kimberley head of the academy. He’s also hired a head of recruitment for the academy.

“Paddy Reilly is our director of recruiting overall at Bodymoor Heath and Paddy has hired a whole new scouting network on a full-time basis to cover the whole world.

“I hope that will help us identify talent internationally.

“We’ve also hired someone on the data analysis side from Opta so we can make better use of the data to make decisions on the back of it.

“The plan is simple, to monetise this football club within the global sponsorship market to a greater degree and then to spend that money as efficiently and effective as possible by investing in everything at Bodymoor Heath.”

All the parts of the puzzle we should be addressing. The main difference here is that Tom Fox will hire these people, then make sure they’re utilised in the right fashion. I have my doubts whether you’ll get a two heads of fitness issue over at Villa Park. Will all the above mean they’ll be winning the league in 5 years time? Doubtful, but it’ll put them in a position where they have an infrastructure that will allow them to compete more readily.

Villa, from a control perspective are at least 3 years ahead of us… sadly.

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  1. Keyser

    Midwest – Yeah, wtf is everyone on about, a bit like you and Campbell, instead of being soo desperate to defend him, just accept he needs gametime, and that’s simply the position he’s in, he needs gametime but we need results.

  2. Dusty Kart

    Just as well that’s a decent ref there otherwise coq would have been sent off for that studs up lunge tackle!!

  3. Marko

    Alexis is the kind of player that if we seriously went at it in the summer squad wise he could of been the difference between winning a title or not. He’s big time for sure.

  4. Jeff

    What will we do without Sanchez. Excellent performance. Santi played well too. Walcott – not bad. Campbell I thought did OK. Good win – though I have to say Hull were rather poor.

  5. Marko

    He could end up with 30 goals this season and to think with that stat and we’ll likely end up very far off winning the title is a huge shame

  6. MidwestGun

    Keyser –
    Why didn’t you just say… we needed Sanchez to finish. But you commented some convoluted thing and said you lot. Inviting comments on what exactly? Lost me… there. Anyhow, decent result.
    What I expect against Hull playing at N5.

  7. Al

    Seriously santi needs to be treated like one of the key players of this team and stop being moved outwide to make way for lesser players in the middle.

    Santi role is simple. ..you play him as AM or the CM alongside a destroyer ahead of the likes of wilshere and Ramsey who are not in the same league as him in terms of being a footballer or understanding the game

  8. Jeff

    Did anyone else think that the atmosphere at the Emirates was dead as a doornail tonight. Don’t know why but the crowd were just silent virtually throughout the game. You could hear individual screams and shouts.

  9. Wallace

    think the way Sanchez has taken on the mantle of main man will definitely help Ozil when he comes back. less pressure/focus…

  10. Keyser

    Midwest – Read the comments on the second half, we just sat back, Hull created nothing, then the first two chances were basically us clean through on goal.

    Like I said read your defence on Campbell, are you being objective ? No.

  11. Bristles

    Coquelin looks a bit TOO ‘spiky’, imho…a potential Flamini type liability.

    Still, I’m sure that when fans ask Wenger why he isn’t going for a CDM in the transfer window he won’t miss the opportunity to wave his Coq at us…

  12. kwik fit

    jeff

    Not just tonight but this has been the case for a while. The home fans are a disgrace. In many ways they personify where the club is at present. Who ever started the ‘one arsene Wenger ‘ at the newcastle match should get a life ban.

  13. london gunner

    How long do you think we will have Alexis Sanchez for?

    If he continues this level of form. I can see Bayern-City-Chelsea-PSG heck even RM being interested if Bale doesn’t work out.

    Anyone who think Sanchez will stick around for 2 whole seasons with no chance of major glory is sadly misguided.

    I am not trying to be negative I am just saying lets enjoy him while we can.

  14. LilmanToldEm

    I really thing the coq should take flamini’s place! He offers so much more in both directions and the two games he has played he hasn’t so put a foot wrong.. If we don’t buy a CDM this window he should really be holding a spot in the first team

  15. kwik fit

    John Jensen said on Danish TV, Szczesny has been given a fine and been told he won’t play again this season. (Via @william_sass)

    Interesting

  16. MidwestGun

    Keyser –
    Oh was that your point? Nobody is objective. Ok I get it now.

    No, I’m not objective on JC because I would like to see him play more and I think he offers more width and pace then Podolski. So I’m not upset.
    But I think I did mention he needs to finish better. And he really isn’t a starter. So……. not sure my comment had anything to do with your original. But ok.

  17. MidwestGun

    Keyser –
    Didnt say you weren’t trolling me. Not sure who the” you lot” was you were antagonizing. Anyhow, objectively Gedion Zelalam is my new favorite player. 😀

  18. Keyser

    I’d be disappointed if Sanchez was that thick, even more disappointed if he simply wants to use us as a stepping stone, there’s plenty of things he can improve, especially considering Barcelona were willing to sell him to begin with.

  19. Cesc Appeal

    Ospina didn’t have a lot to do but he looked decent I thought. What did come at him he dealt well with.

    Should certainly get a run now in the first team.

  20. MidwestGun

    Cesc –
    Thought Ospina was ok. Didn’t have to deal with many high crosses, would be my worry. There was that one moment he didn’t seem to react. Not sure if he was blinded or what. Can’t imagine Szczesny would never play again this season. But who knows. I do like a keeper who doesn’t go walkabout.

  21. london gunner

    keyser

    they were willing to sell Cesc and Ibra as well…

    Why would it be thick of Sanchez to move to a club that can offer more money and more silverware?

    Yeah Nasri what a thick move for him to move to City… Multi League winner the thick bastard.

    As for Ashley cole one of Englands most decorated players… well thick that Chelsea move.

    (Palms head)

    Why can’t he improve under a much manager than Wenger… such as Pep or Mourinho….

    Why would he use us a stepping stone, because do you honestly think a player like Sanchez a born winner will settle for the 4th place trophy for the rest of his career.

    Double palm head

  22. Cesc Appeal

    MidWest

    Yeah for sure, need to see him in games where he’s severely tested.

    Stoke at home should allow us to see how he deals with bullying tactics and crosses.

    Where we would be without Sanchez though, I get tired just watching him! Endless effort and moments of utter brilliance.

  23. TooMuchCesc

    Alexis made absolutely the right move coming to Arsenal. It’s the perfect showcase for his incredible talent. No looming shadows of Neymar, Messi, and Suarez. He has always been an under-rated player and now he gets to show the world how great he is. Lots of opportunities for personal accolades playing at Arsenal, an attack minded team with no big egos around him. Look for EPL Golden Boot and PFA player of the season, maybe even short list of the Golden Ball. He will appreciate this opportunity and anyway, he doesn’t strike me as a mercenary.

    However long he stays at Arsenal, we should appreciate this prodigious talent not seen around these parts since TH14. All hail King Alexis.

  24. Keyser

    Lol because you treat him like he’s a cretin, that he doesn’t see the team we have or the players we have before he came here, or doesn’t appreciate what sort of league it is. It was the same with Ozil, almost as soon as he signed people started asking ‘Ozil must be thinking what he got himself into it’.

    If he doesn’t want to settle for 4th, then he should be smarter than that, and it looks like he is, as good as he’s been, he was still talking about things he needs to work on.

  25. MidwestGun

    Keyser-
    “I feel sorry for people who don’t drink. When they wake up in the morning, that’s as good as they’re going to feel all day”
    -Frank Sinatra

    Cesc-
    Yep, that goal today was top class. Made it look effortless. Kind of strike I used to dream of in my old playing days. Turn and Boom!
    Hope the guy is indestructible as he thinks he is. Love the little half smile after the goal too. Like…… not bad.

  26. kwik fit

    David

    I’m not sure that the source is reliable, so Chesney being fined i’d take with a pinch of salt. Having said that , such punishment would be exactly what is needed to focus the players mind especially Chesney. I think Ospina’s the number one going forward.

  27. kwik fit

    Mid

    That quote was Dean Martin 😉

    Another Deano gem;
    You’re not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on

  28. MidwestGun

    Keyser –
    No I’m waiting for Johnty and Live by the River to write something interesting and informative to return Le Grove to its glory days……
    but I assume your talking about substitution pattern comments.

  29. Wallace

    Coq was admittedly a bit sloppy with his distribution at times, but i thought he brought some of the same hunger and desire that Sanchez brings to the side. something we’ve been lacking since the glory days. he’s also pretty explosive for a central midfielder. was also his 3rd game in less than a week, so tiredness probably a factor.

  30. David Smith

    Does seem a strange one kwik fit, will be interesting to see who plays in goal next game. If true,he must have done something in the dressing room. Would be a slap in the face for wenger, he has invested a lot of faith in our keeper.

  31. MidwestGun

    Coq just shows how even a half way decent cdm preferably 2 in the next tw would make the side so much better. One of AW biggest failings, imo is underestimating the importance of the position in the modern game.

  32. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Diss

    Has hit the nail on the head

    How did theo warrant a call up by England in November ?

    We should not allow any player to play for their country if they are coming back from injury and have not played 3 games for us ,

  33. MidwestGun

    Rspc –
    True… dat. How did you do with the bets? Just checking results. Did pretty well today. Went all Prem sides cept Qpr. So only Southampton let me down.

  34. Vince

    HERE COMES OUR WINTER KIM. BE AFRAID FOLKS, BE VERY AFRAID.

    Loic Perrin confirms contact from Arsenal
    This afternoon, St Etienne captain Loic Perrin has confirmed that he has been contacted by Arsenal. This came in an interview after St Etienne’s Coupe de France victory over AS Nancy today:
    “I have been contacted personally. Arsenal is interested, but for now there is still no contact with Saint-Etienne.”

    More to follow.

  35. Gunner2301

    Good win today nice to see we weren’t really put under any pressure. Hull were pretty shit mind you. Alexis man of the moment hard worker and example to all. Walcott little too early to play so many minutes a 30 minute cameo at the end of the second half would have been better and might have livened us up a bit as we faded.

  36. Goondawg

    http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/arsenal-man-wojciech-szczesny-given-huge-fine-for-behaviour-at-southampton-wont-play-again-this-season-tweets/

    More on what Kwik touched on earlier.. Apparently Jens Jensen or whatever that danish ex-arsenal midfielder’s name is, thinks that Schezney got fined for an episode after the southampton game in the changing room

    Apparently he keeps in close contact with Steve Bould and there was an altercation of some sort and he believes Scezney has played his last game of the season

  37. Keyser

    I think it’d be great if Wengers basically employing Bould as a henchman.

    Another one for the football hipsters, Barcelona losing 1-0, opposition manager looks a bit like Groundskeeper Willy from The Simpsons.

  38. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Mid

    U did far better than me

    My london bet blew up ..
    Btts fulham wolves banker. ,,,,one of a few they let me down,

    Only good news a mate who is manager of a bookies gave me a shout of money being placed on a horse , texted with only 10 mins to off,,, came in at 10-1

    Quite pleasin

    Next week will stick yo prem 2-0 2-1

    Will hammer it soon
    Sure about that …

  39. london gunner

    Keyser

    No I treat him like an intelligent man. Who realised he had to leave Barcelona because it wasn’t a suitable dynamic, at this point though regarded as a talented player he did not have his pick of top teams. Bayern/RM/Chelsea/City were not interested… The calibre of clubs looking into him was Arsenal and Liverpool.
    If he carries on this form the calibre of clubs interested will rise to that of Chelsea and City… (I note this particular examples because they could improve in these areas)

    Sanchez came to Arsenal is a great proving ground, as he gets to come to a PL team with Champions league football and further demonstrate his massive amount of talent

    He also gets to show his worth without being overshadowed by the greatest player in the world Messi and the most hyped played of the young generation Neymar.

    Sanchez is a born winner. He simply wont settle for no trophies. You think his willing to run around and give everything for 3 years without nothing to show for that?

    Did Nasri?
    Did Cesc?
    Did Clichy?
    Did RVP?
    Did Hleb?

    His showing now with the messi apron string cut that he is easily good enough for the top clubs so why would he not join them? You say he needs to still work on his game as do every single player in the world.

    Football isn’t just about going hey I am the finished article its about realising its constant progression you would know that if you ever kicked a ball.

    But seriously why is Sanchez suddenly a unique breed of player who doesn’t care about top honours?

    If your a top guy in any field you work in you don’t hang around in the lower leagues you go and play with the top boys.

    It’s pretty obvious, but as usual you have to be a contrarian fucknut.

  40. MidwestGun

    Nervous as a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs.
    Best Ray Hudsonism from match.

    Moyes In!

    Rspc –
    Sounds like a plan. You have the luck with the ponies. Scares me.

  41. Confidentgoner

    Moyes’s team beats Barca. Good defensive performance. Must be enjoying the weather as well. He is a decent Manager, not hip enough for ManU, but decent anyway.

  42. Keyser

    Sanchez started 27 La Liga games last year, he made a further 7 sub appearances.

    – He scored 19 goals, from 66 shots, and made a further 10 assists.

    This year he’s started 18 Premier League games, he has made another 1 sub appearance.

    – He has scored 10 goals, from 60 shots, and made a further 6 assists.

    What massive difference are you seeing exactly ? You need to ask Why Barcelona were happy to let him go and why Sanchez joined us.

    “His showing now with the messi apron string cut that he is easily good enough for the top clubs so why would he not join them?”

    It’s been 6 months since he left them you muppet, I’d be massively disappointed if he’s thinking ‘I’ve made it now boys, See Ya’, or that he thought ‘Stepping Stone’ before he came to us.

    Think about it, I’m hoping that the club has promised more ambition, but also he’s thinking ‘I’ve been given a shot at being the main man, I’m not quite Neymar, Suarez or Messi, but if I’m smart, ie, rather than chase back 60 yards after I lose a ball, I try not to lose it in the first place, then I’ve got plenty of room to work on’.

    Likewise he looks at the team, and to be fair that involves the club aswell, he thinks there’s plenty of potential.

  43. Marko

    Seen a thing on Facebook there about United’s players and their wages. Young is apparently on 115,000 a week and Shaw is on 150,000? Ridiculous that

  44. stevegooner

    Kwik fit
    The atmosphere at the stadium is ok. If you are watching on the tv or a feed don’t forget there are suitably placed mikes and not all sounds are picked up.

  45. karim

    Marko

    Was it you asking about Cavani ?
    Apparently, he stayed on holidays a little too long as well as Lavezzi
    Been fined and forced to train twice as much for a week

    Can t see him joining us anyhow to be fair, his agent denied it also

    Sorry mate

  46. Marko

    Thanks Karim. Just wondering if maybe he returned late cause he didn’t feel wanted or maybe they’re having some problems. Never thought for a second we’d be signing him

  47. Emiratesstroller

    We played quite well in first half of game and could have been three or four goals up by half time.

    However, performance dropped off dramatically in second half of game and
    for at least twenty minutes a very average Hull team were in ‘control’ of game.
    Particular concern was the lack of energy in midfield and on flanks.

    I accept that this was a makeshift team and that certain players like Walcott and Campbell were not ‘match fit’. However, as ever the real concern was that
    we lack a player in midfield with a ‘physical’ game capable of breaking down
    the opposition and keeping ‘control’ of game.

    Frankly we need such a player in our team who can match the performance of
    Sanchez up front and was once again brilliant and the stand out player.

    My view is also that Arsenal need to revise their formation to provide better
    cover for our defence, which is as ever brittle. I am moving to the view that
    we should be playing either a 4-1-4-1 or 4-4-2 formation, because as ever our
    flanks look always very exposed. Playing Walcott in front of Bellarin and Campbell in front of Monreal highlighted the problem. We got away with it
    today, but against better opposition I think we would have been creamed.

  48. london gunner

    Keyser

    Your not really getting the point at all of what I am saying.

    I am not saying Sanchez is looking around and going fuck me I want to leave this minute.

    But after /33 years of being “the main man” without any silverware do you think he will be content with that? Do you honestly believe a player as hungry as Sanchez will for go a career of glory to stay at Arsenal? His not a Gerrard…

    Now factor in we get a new manager, do you think they will be winning major trophies in their first season? I don’t think that’s likely, so 4 years of nothing and Sanchez is to throw his career away to be the “main main” of the 4th placed trophy cup holders.

    If your an ambitious and hungry person like Sanchez you follow the glory you join a title winning team.

    Also you have said yourself there is nothing Arsene Wenger can do to win major honours because of the circumstances regarding Chelsea and City..

    So are you in fact under estimating Sanchez intelligence by saying his unaware of this as well? Do you think his an utter Muppet.

    You have quoted it hasn’t worked at Barca as if his suddenly shamed/barred from top teams… ask Ibra that? Ask Cesc.. are they going shit best settle for 4th placed performances.

    Also have you not factored in that Sanchez might actually get bored of being the main man who wins nothing because the team mates around him aren’t good enough? Team mates who let him down and are constantly dependent on him.. I know for sure that it sucks working with incompetent colleagues at first hey at first it makes you look the star, but when they drag down your whole collective performance it gets old fast.

    Its very shallow way to look at the world its like surrounding yourself with ugly stupid friends because it makes you look better, only problem is the conversation will be crap and the view will be horrid.

    Now ask Bale if he would prefer to be the “main man at tottenham” or play for RM

    Ask Suarez if he would prefer Liverpool to Barca?

    You will get the same response with both players.

    Sanchez has to leave Barca because they didn’t want him, but if Chelsea/City come knocking what is to prevent him from moving? If he is offered better team mates more money and more glory…

    Case closed sherlock.

  49. Highbury Daze

    Why rest Sanchez when you can play him every game, he has bundles of energy, just keep playing him until he breaks, just like Ozil Wilshere,et al

    Sanchez has scored 16 goals in his first season in England with more to come truly a fabulous player and one Wenger will surely run into the fucking ground

  50. london gunner

    Keyser

    Your not really getting the point at all of what I am saying. I am not saying Sanchez is looking around and going fuck me I want to leave this minute.

    But after 2/3 years of being “the main man” without any silverware do you think he will be content with that? Do you honestly believe a player as hungry as Sanchez will for go a career of glory to stay at Arsenal? His not a Gerrard…

    Now factor in we get a new manager, do you think they will be winning major trophies in their first season? I don’t think that’s likely, so 4 years of nothing and Sanchez is to throw his career away to be the “main main” of the 4th placed trophy cup holders. If your an ambitious and hungry person like Sanchez you follow the glory you join a title winning team.

    Also you have said yourself there is nothing Arsene Wenger can do nothing tangible to win major honours because of the circumstances regarding Chelsea and City.. So are you in fact under estimating Sanchez intelligence by saying his unaware of this as well?

    . You have quoted it hasn’t worked at Barca as if his suddenly shamed/barred from top teams… ask Ibra that? Ask Cesc.. are they going to settle for 4th placed performances?

    Also have you not factored in that Sanchez might actually get bored of being the main man who wins nothing because the team mates around him aren’t good enough? Team mates who let him down and are constantly dependent on him.. I know for sure that it sucks working with incompetent colleagues at first hey at first it makes you look the star, but when they drag down your whole collective performance it gets old fast.

    The way you percieve Shallow’d mentality of big fish in smaller point is a shallow way to look at the world. Like surrounding yourself with ugly stupid friends because it makes you look better, only problem is the conversation will be crap and the view will be horrid.

    Now ask Bale if he would prefer to be the “main man at tottenham” or play for RM

    Ask Suarez if he would prefer Liverpool to Barca?

    You will get the same response with both players.

    Sanchez was a great opportunist buy from the Arsenal team he had to leave Barca because they didn’t want him, but if Chelsea/City come knocking what is to prevent him from moving? If Chelsea/City came knocking in the summer would he of chosen them over us? Nope…

    His now performed in the best and or most popular league in the world, his been likely the best player in the league… while In La Liga he would have been behind the likes of Ronaldo/Messi and on par with a few others

    By contrast in this league his looking the best.. his value has gone sky high if he gives us another season like this one? Do you honestly think he will still be valued as a 30 million pound player?

  51. Highbury Daze

    The player we needed was Wanyama, forget Schneiderlin, he could have been got for 12 million quid from Celtic a big black beast that puts the fear into opposition players, did you see Cazorla and the other Arsenal midgets bounce off him

  52. Highbury Daze

    LG Sanchez will have no say in it, Wenger will receive a big offer from a club and will take the 50 million quid on offer and move on

    There is nothing surer than Sanchez leaving this club in the not to distant future

  53. Goondawg

    Emiratestroller

    It seemed to me like we were in cruise control, I dont remember Hull ever genuinely testing Ospina, so I dont know how much control they had in large parts of the second half, but it came to nowt in the end anyways.

    It looked like we were comfortable, and were playing without the need to over-exert ourselves. We have played 5 games in 15 days, without affording too much rest to any players due to injuries. Walcott and Campbell are undoubtedly rusty and will improve in time

  54. Leedsgunner

    Only if Wenger had not dithered and signed Sanchez in 2009 when he was at Udinese we might have kept RvP et al…

    Alexis Sanchez, what a player. It’s an indictment to Theclub’s sorry state that Sanchez is in such a hot streak and we are fighting 4th/5th place.

  55. Highbury Daze

    It’s no secret Sanchez wanted to go to Juventus after Barcelona, and he would be their player now if the club could have put up the asking price, but they couldn’t, they wanted to pay in installments, and Barcelona refused, so he went to AFC begrudgingly, he did play in Italy for Udinese, so he must like it there, that could be his next destination, unless City bid 50 million for him

  56. Highbury Daze

    I am not demeaning the input Sanchez provides, a great player, but he didn’t stand out at Barcelona, and he never played every game like he is with Arsenal, and with the dross at our club, Sanogo, Arteta,Giroud,Campbell, Coquelin,Welbeck,Flamini, just to name a few, it is easy to stand out, it is easy to look good, because the rest are so bad, it’s is criminal asking both Sanchez and Ozil to play with this bunch of ordinary peasants

    Ozil is used to playing with the best in the world, same as Sanchez, Messi and Ronaldo, and now they are asked to play for Wenger with crap, for fuck sake is nothing sacred

  57. Keyser

    Lol I understand your point it’s just a completely hollow one.

    Is Sanchez at his peak ? No, the freedom he’s being given, and we are actively giving it to him right now is pandering to his strengths and he’s running himself into the ground to mask weaknesses.

    Look at the stats, and then look at the difference between how Barcelona and Chile utilise(d) him, we’re closer to Chile, basically a free role, but without the solid structured supporting cast.

    Barcelona let him go because compared to his replacement he’s expendable, he leaves because he’s not going to fulfill the potential he has if he’s playing a bit part game.

    That’s what he should be able to appreciate.

    It’s almost irrelevant what he does in 2-3 years, or at another team, because he can still tap into the potential he has now, and within this team, and under Wenger. Look at Suarez, he might not have come from a big club, but before he left Liverpool, how much more do you think he could have given ?!

    Firstly you’re mistaken in how well he’s performing, secondly are we playing at our peak ? No, fuck No, so why are you soo worried.

    “Also you have said yourself there is nothing Arsene Wenger can do nothing tangible to win major honours because of the circumstances regarding Chelsea and City.. So are you in fact under estimating Sanchez intelligence by saying his unaware of this as well?”

    This is just rubbish, I think it’s harder, not impossible, you think in finites, whereas my view is malleable. A year ago would you have thought we’d buy Ozil ? Let alone Sanchez.

    Your Bale comparison sums it up, Real Madrid are a cartoon club, if they were as efficient as Atletico, Atletico should be nowhere near them, Sanchez has experienced having to play the cog in a massive machine, now he can be THE cog in another machine.

    Those teams you mention aren’t always efficient, that’s football ad it’s why it’s shallow, to think like that would be shallow, to think ‘I can be great at Arsenal, and they can be great to me is more ambitious’. Anything else and you’re simply highlighting while footballs fucked.

  58. Keyser

    “to think ‘I can be great at Arsenal, and they can be great to me is more ambitious’.”

    This is also why I said it depends on the club, it’s as much about our ambition as it is Sanchez’s.

  59. Highbury Daze

    Sanchez Cavani, why are we not scouting these parts of the world, Jesus, Udinese can find him what is wrong with dipstick Wenger and his flunky’s, too busy searching the dregs of the lower tier French League, at least they found Sanogo, well done, this club has turned to pus

  60. Keyser

    “This is also why I said it depends on the club, it’s as much about our ambition as it is Sanchez’s.”

    Think about it, we show ambition by buying Sanchez, if Sanchez has any intelligence at all, he should’ve reaised that, at worst he’s going to get more than a fair shot to fulfill his potential, if his ambition was to play in a team with players like Messi and Neymar, then he should appreciate why they let him go to begin with.

  61. Keyser

    EmiratesStroller – We get accused of sterile domination of possession all the time, we were a goal up at half-time, we seemed to play it safe and invite Hull onto us, they controlled possession but didn’t really create anything, the onus was on them to attack, they were pretty conservative, and we still managed to create 2-3 clean cut chances despite this.

  62. Highbury Daze

    Jérémie Aliadière, remember him, came to Arsenal in 2001, stayed until 2007, played 29 games scored ONE goal in that time, played 29 games in 6 years scoring one goal, this waste of space would have been on the socialist wage, 50k a week, that is why he was loaned out to 3 clubs Celtic, West Ham and Wolves, until his contract ran down, no club was prepared to pay the high wage, so Arsene supplemented his wages to those clubs until his contract expired, he was then sold to Middlesbrough for 2 million quid

    This is the behind the scenes of what goes on at this mismanaged club under Herr Kommandant Wenger

  63. Highbury Daze

    They take him on loan but will never buy him at those stupid wages, 50k a week, that’s why he returns to AFC, then loaned out to another bum club, then another, Denilson, Eboue, Bendtner, and more, don’t come in here telling me how great you think this fucked up manager is, paying 50k a week socialist wages in a capitalist society, to bums, absolute bums, French bums

  64. Highbury Daze

    Chamakh, Wenger waited 18 months for this dud, just so he could get him on a free, well we all know how that turned out, another French bum

  65. Highbury Daze

    Squallici Denilson Arshavin, players that had their contracts run down, then left the club for nothing,throw in Sagna, there are more, this stems from the stupid wage policy dreamed up by this douche bag Wenger

    How this man has fooled a lot of people

  66. Emiratesstroller

    I have always maintained that Arsenal do not need to make wholesale changes to our squad to solve our current problems. A couple of decent acquisitions would in my view change entirely our performance level.

    A quality defensive midfielder is key to the improvement of the team. Realistically Arteta, Flamini and Coquelin lack the mobility, physicality and class to
    ORGANIZE and CONTROL our midfield.

    Similarly we need an additional Centre Back to rotate with Mertesacker and Koscielny. Koscielny is struggling with an injury and Mertesacker has not been playing at his best and that is in part due to being ‘overplayed’. Chambers
    may have potential, but he is well short of being a top class centre back at moment.

    Whether Arsenal will find the right players in January or more importantly be
    prepared to pay premium prices then is of course the million dollar question.

    If Arsenal want to guarantee a top 4 finish to the season then they need to be
    prepared to invest.

    Anyway we need both Ramsey, Koscielny and Giroud to be fit over weekend when we play Stoke.

  67. Highbury Daze

    We will not buy defensive mid in January, nor will a CB be bought, we will hear the biggest load of shite about how if we find the right player, if we find the qualitee we will add to the squad, we will not just buy for the sake of buying to appease his critics

    We heard the same bollocks just before he got Sanogo on a free, this was the QUALITTE he was talking about, scoured the world for a player to fit into his squad and he ends up with Sanogo, fuck you Wenger you pox

  68. Highbury Daze

    No rotation, play them until they drop, then push players around just to make do, square pegs round holes, Chambers in a CDM position, LB as a CB, RB as a CB, the biggest clown going around in charge of the 6th biggest club in the world, fucking mickey mouse stuff

  69. Highbury Daze

    The worst words to describe Wenger have not been invented yet, you can use every curse word known to mankind, call him the biggest douche bag, that ever walked,whatever you come up with it will always be short for what this excrement is, his blatant disregard for anyone other than himself is astonishing

    Wenger is lower than Whale shit, and that is on the bottom of the ocean floor

  70. Highbury Daze

    Wenger learned his managerial trade 30 years ago, He got his ideas out of a book called “Football management for Dummies”

  71. Highbury Daze

    Nice heading Pedro, of course they are, that’s why Wenger poached Dan Crowley, their best prospect for 100 years, an Aston Villa junior stolen by the scumbag

  72. Highbury Daze

    Those two boys who come on Arsenal fan TV always give an honest opinion of what they saw on the pitch, the dark haired boy is 16, all he has known is Daddy Wenger, that is why it is hard for fans who are 18 years or under to let go of this relic, he is a father figure, old frail grey haired gran-dad, they rest of the hillbilly’s are just as demented as Wenger these cuntz should know better, do not keep sticking your hand in the fire

  73. Highbury Daze

    A man who proudly tells us he honours his contracts always, what about the contract with his wife, has he honoured that, a 60 something tarting around with a woman half his age, nothing honourable about you Wenger

  74. Wallace

    ES

    “However, as ever the real concern was that
    we lack a player in midfield with a ‘physical’ game capable of breaking down
    the opposition and keeping ‘control’ of game.”

    i thought that’s exactly what Coquelin provided yesterday. the only downside was the occasionally sloppy distribution, but he was playing on his own behind Cazorla & Rosicky. play him alongside somebody and he won’t always be the guy receiving the ball from the defence.

  75. Jeff

    Highbury,

    I think Wenger is still with his wife (Annie Brosterhous) although in 2010 the papers were reporting a fling with Sonia Tatar who was 39 then. It was reported that Sonia begged Wenger to leave the UK and find work in Paris where they could spend more time together instead of jetting between London and Paris all the time. Needless to say she would have done us a huge favour had Wenger agreed to leave but he loved the power Arsenal gave him even more. Unlike Edward VIII, he didn’t want to give up his kingdom for a woman.

    The Sun’s story alleged that Wenger was seen with Sonia after Arsenal’s 2-1 defeat to Shaktar Donetsk in November 2010. It’s interesting that Wenger never denied the allegations of a 2-year affair but said it was a private matter. He managed to keep it a secret for 2 years – he’s a sly old git.

    So extrapolating from that, if the love of a woman can’t dislodge this bloke, what’s it going to take to get him to walk? Other than just sheer old age, nothing is the answer. That’s how forlorn and futile is our wish for a change.

    Here is a picture of Sonia: http://tinyurl.com/ll45l2s

  76. Gregg

    Some decent comments after the game

    @Wallace – Totally agree mate. I think Ozil will enjoy the fact that Sanchez will be seen as the main man and that will/should relieve some of the weight from his shoulders.

    Rosicky and Cazorla played very well, there was a decent pressing game up top. The problem is the chunks of area that’s left in the centre. Coquelin having to play too deep to protect Mertasecker. Still, that’s being picky.

  77. Wallace

    Gregg

    with Wilshere out and Ramsey a lot more hit and miss this year i’d be tempted to play Cazorla alongside Coq/Arteta in midfield. he’s looked far happier this last month being the main man in the centre. and it would be a formation that would allow us to play both him and Ozil centrally. might not be such a good idea in physical away games, but at home when we’ll have most of the possession anyway…

  78. Gregg

    Personally I’d rather us get an industrious CM payer and a CB with pace that will enable us to play an all round pressing game, slightly higher up the pitch.

  79. Gregg

    Wallace

    For me Wilshere can be discounted this season anyway, he won’t see much game-time, if any this season.

    Ramsey I feel was finding his feet but the balance simply wasn’t right. If we want 4th spot than we need roughly 44 more points from the last 18 games. Not a lot of room for error. If he doesn’t address the key areas and quickly, then he may find this year, that’s it’s going to be beyond him.

  80. Emiratesstroller

    Wallace

    I don’t disagree that both Flamini and Coquelin are playing the sort of game, which is needed in the team, but unfortunately neither is good enough in that
    role.

    You need someone in the position with the physicality, DISCIPLINE and tactical brain who is always in the right position at the right time particularly with
    the frailties of our defence. Neither is good enough to do that.

    The more I think about our performances this season the clearer the problems become. Leaving aside our perennial injury problems, which need sorting the club needs urgently to improve its defending particularly if you want
    to play the type of midfielders we have recruited into squad/team.

    The key to Chelsea’s success is that leaving aside the game against Spurs they
    defend properly. Noone in their back line is a weak link and incidentally the
    success of Arsenal under Wenger in early years was exactly the same with
    Winterburn,Bould or Keown,Adams and Dixon. None apart from Adams was
    outstanding but they were good players, effective and above all else understood what they needed to do.

    Arsenal’s real problems at the back start off with our full [wing] backs, because
    they are too often out of position and more importantly do not defend correctly. Gibbs is as everybody knows a converted winger and Monreal and Bellerin
    look very similar. This combined with lack of decent DM leaves our Centre
    Backs too often exposed.

    Again I would ask why Wenger persists with a zonal marking system at set
    pieces? The number of occasions that we concede goals is truly ridiculous.
    Perhaps someone with a better football brain than me can explain it. Surely
    that is something that ca be rectified fairly quickly by the coaches.

    The bottom line is that if you play in the EPL you need horses for courses. The
    trouble is that Wenger is trying to reinvent the wheel by playing Barcelona style football, but unfortunately without the talent base they had at their disposal.

  81. Vince

    Rumors have it that Mourinho is ready to sell Schurle, Ramirez and Salah. The first two will be amazing for us. Schurle – a goalscoring winger. Ramirez – an amazingly combative dm/cm that we need. I’ll gladly take both

  82. Vince

    Zementalstrenght. Why not? wasn’t it this time last year ‘The Woeful One’ sold Mata to Manchester United?

  83. Gregg

    Mata was sold to fund Matic and for Chelsea to comply with FFP. It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that Schurlle or Ramirez the same. Depends on who it is that want to bring in and if/or they are close to breaching FFP buy buying without selling.

  84. Zementalstrength

    Vince : yes, but it’s probably due to the fact that HE KNEW he would have a better player at the same post, sooner or later. 😉

  85. Josip Skoblar

    According to various media, Hugo Lloris is set to leave Spurs at the end of the season. With Lloris, it would be the end of our goal-keeping problems…