High level leaks show support for Wenger fading at club…

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Oh my, tings be heating up in tha red hot kitchen that is Arsenal!

Matt Law, of Telegraph fame dropped a story yesterday that amounted to what I’d call a very high level leak. The jist of his story is that Arsenal coaching staff are dismayed by the tactics put forward by Arsenal. Quite an amazing piece. Why? Well, Arsenal don’t generally suffer from leaks that you’d classify as disruptive. Also, Matt is a Telegraph journo, he wouldn’t be making stuff up and he wouldn’t be seeding stories that could potentially damage his ability to gain future stories.

My guess, that leak has come from somewhere very reliable. I can’t remember a leak that substantial for years. Like I said yesterday, the players know exactly how bad it is and so do the coaching staff and so do the management at the club. The iron wall at Arsenal is starting to crack because people are bored of it all. It also feels like it’s come from somewhere reasonably high level because of the transfer storie slipped in after. It’s a bit of a shit sandwich.

‘It’s terrible at Arsenal, but everyone bar Arsene knows it. Oh, and to top of this shit sandwich, we are looking to spend some money on 3rd rate defenders’

All very interesting.

The tide is turning on Arsene Wenger. Finally.

I read a quote from Ian Wright yesterday that stated Steve Bould is often ignored and his suggestions are passed over.

Paul Merson fired back at the manager, making light of the fact that he was a manager and he never threw away a 3 goal lead in 30 minutes.

The worm is turning, press, finally awakening to what has been abundantly clear to most die hard gooners for years. Wenger is no longer elite, he’s holding on for dear life and he’s chipping away at his legacy with a JCB digger.

This is the interesting thing with our manager.

Why the hell would he leave?

Think about his situation, then palm that pretty face of yours, because it’s not good.

Arsene Wenger is entering his mid-sixties. Call me ageist, but at that period in your life, you’re not about the new project. You don’t have the drive and you don’t have the energy to relocate.

As Amy Lawrence said on the podcast I was on the other day, the man has no hobbies. His life is about football. Football. And more football. Imagine the dread he’s going to feel the day after he quits something he’s continuously done over the last 30 years. One day, he’s controlling the type of trainers the cleaning lady is wearing, the next, he’s sat in front of a TV with nothing to do bar some chores his wife has assigned him. That’s a pretty horrible feeling. Wenger isn’t a man content with spending an afternoon stripping wallpaper.

Then think of the power. The biggest fear of a man with all the power, is to have no power. One day, you’re king of the world, next day, no one gives a shit about you. That’s got to be pretty scary. Power is addictive. Status is alluring. The idea that one day, no one would care about what you think has got to weigh heavy on your mind. At Arsenal, he literally has it all. He controls everything. He has almost zero accountability. He’s not there to be questioned. Why would he leave?

Look at his behaviour of late. Incredulous Jacqui Oatley would ask him some pretty standard questions. Dismayed that Paul Merson would dare step up to him with legitimate complaints. I mean, how dare a pundit have an opinion on him! I can’t imagine what he thinks of the bloggers… but let me tell you Arsene, I’ve managed a Sunday League team for two very successful years, with zero transfer budget. I have all the rights to question you.

Anyway, look at all of the above. It’s the perfect storm. The perfect… ‘THERE’S NO WAY I’D EVER LEAVE’… storm. It’s pretty depressing.

It’s the same with Stan Kroenke. We have an owner who is sitting on a massive property in London. It doesn’t really matter what he does with the club, it goes up in value. He doesn’t have an interest in running it like a sporting enterprise and he doesn’t have an interest in selling it to someone with a ambition. He doesn’t have any interest making his manager accountable or analysing the total shit show he’s running. All he cares about it that big fat portfolio he’s running.

It’s sooooo depressing.

Thing is, Ivan Gazidis is a fan. I’m almost certain he sees what we see. He’s younger than Arsene by about 30 years. He’ll read the internetz. He’ll have spies around the training ground. He’ll hear what goes on. He’ll see the results on the pitch. He’ll know that Shad Forsythe has been put on cone duty and Tony Colbert is wearing that gold crown again for the bantz. He’ll know that Steve Rowley is scouting out the back of a 2006 copy of L’Quipe. But ultimately, until you break the cycle of Wenger and Stan. Until you stand up and go bold, we’ll just be a club that ticks over. A club that’s happy with average. A club that took the biggest risk of all time in moving stadium, then decided that risk was no longer an option.

I don’t mean to quote Nik Bendtner, but he said something interesting the other week when he was asked about those silly comments he made back in the day…

‘If you don’t want to be the best at whatever you do, why bother?’ sic

Damn straight Nik. Damn straight. Who sets out to be average? This doesn’t mean you’re a failure if you don’t achieve your goals, it just means you have to take stock, rethink, then go again. That’s the way of the world. That’s the way of sport.

Why doesn’t Wenger care about that now?

Why doesn’t Stan want his sports club to be the best?

What is Ivan doing to improve things? Why isn’t he stripping Wenger of his power? Why doesn’t he take advantage of Wenger having no clue. Why doesn’t he use this situation to his strategic advantage?

I’d be in there, sacking the old boys who aren’t delivering. I’d be empowering the young guys who want to make an impact and I’d be taking back the club cleaning lady trainer, by cleaning lady trainer. Because the problem now, is Arsene is running things. Badly. And no one is stepping in.

‘But he’d resign if he lost his power’

Firstly, no he wouldn’t. Secondly, who cares? If he’s immature to throw his toys out the pram when someone tries to make an improvement, then he’s not the right guy for us.

‘But he said no to Madrid and PSG’

Again, who cares? He’d have tanked at Madrid and he’d tank at PSG right now (actually, not sure if you can ever tank at PSG). Loyalty to the club was commendable. He’s done a great job over the years. But there comes a time when you have to move on. To my mind, I’d never, ever want a manager for 18 years again. It’s unhealthy in the extreme. The game moves to fast nowadays. If you’re somewhere for so long, you become entrenched, complacent and invincible. Arsenal are bigger than any man, we can never allow this situation to repeat.

Don’t fear him going. United have screwed themselves because they’ve made two very poor appointments. Spurs have screwed themselves because they brought in the wrong manager to deal with those players. City have a manager who I don’t rate. Chelsea got it right. We can get it right. Match the players to the manager and build out a world class infrastructure.

Again, this one is on you Ivan. Prove your worth when the manager goes and the fans will love you. But in my opinion, you should start now,  because the clean up operation post Wenger is looking like it’s going to be more and more expensive as each season passes.

Anyway, that’s my thoughts for today.

HAVE FUN x

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  1. Romford Pele

    Morning gents, like the post Pedro.

    Those Ian Wright quotes were really saying something for me. He had never really been critical of Wenger up until this point. Anything which forces the manager out IMO is a good move.

    Only thing I’d disagree with you on is Gazidis. Still don’t trust him and personally think he’s a bit of a snake himself.

  2. Romford Pele

    “To my mind, I’d never, ever want a manager for 18 years again. It’s unhealthy in the extreme. The game moves to fast nowadays. If you’re somewhere for so long, you become entrenched, complacent and invincible. Arsenal are bigger than any man, we can never allow this situation to repeat.”

    Couldn’t agree more. This would never happen in the business world, and why should it. Like you say, the pace of business is rapid these days. You either adapt and adopt, or you become obsolete – like our manager in this case.

  3. shad

    Agree with you RP,

    I also don’t trust Gazidis. If he was truly against the grain, you’d see stuff seeping out (though I personally think Dat Guy was his signing)..

    More and more fans are waking out of the utopia Wenger lulled them too. I pray it becomes unbearable for him that he will announce his retirement this year before the season ends. .at least the pressure is getting to him.

    Lose the next 2 games and I think we’ll be looking at a full blown shit storm..

  4. ArseneWengersTurtleHead

    Grazidis is another pawn in the Kronke empire – does he really want to upset the apple cart ? i very much doubt it! where else could you be a CEO and not really have to look to improve what should be the MO of any Football club ..SUCCESS and TROPHIES, not at Arsene Wenger PLC you dont …….
    CEO of the year my arse!

    They should all fucking go – the fucking lot of em

  5. Romford Pele

    Shad, i’m not sure. I’d still go with Welbz being Wenger’s signing. Don’t think anyone knows enough about the playing side at Arsenal to go over Wenger’s head.

    Was glad Ian Wright came out and said what he did about Bould though. Bould as a player was a unit and a defensive beast, he can obviously see what’s going wrong but his views aren’t being taken into consideration.

    My hope is that we make top 4 as per and Wenger leaves, leaving a potentially new manager with a decent base to work from. Who knows what will happen though. Wenger has gotten himself out of sticker situations in the past with worse players.

  6. ArseneWengersTurtleHead

    true about the management piece though

    very much like before the Arab spring – all these Autocrats were or are in the process of being overthrown

    The same should happen at Arsense PLC

    launch those fucking molotovs into the boardroom

  7. Emiratesstroller

    The major problem at Arsenal is that NOONE is going to sack Wenger. The only way that he is going to leave in next three years is either on his own volition, which is most unlikely or in a box.

    I made the observation several weeks ago that Howe’s body language when sitting next to Wenger did not look particularly good.

    I have already commented on yesterday’s post about DT article. I concur with Pedro that this is not a paper, where you read football scandal.

    Arsenal’s current problems are NOT CRITICAL, because we have generally a
    decent squad.

    The problems could be easily fixed with acquisition of a couple of defensive additions and of course better tactical play particularly in defence

    However, to achieve this we need a new manager and change of coaching personnel. The problem seems to be that Kroenke is the only person who can sanction this and he is unlikely to do so.

  8. shad

    @RP,

    The way I figured, it looked like Wenger was ready to chance the season on Giroud and Sanogo, but oh well..

    And I agree about Bouldy and Wenger. There doesn’t seem to be any chemistry. They can only watch the shit show in silence. They barely talk on the touchline and he is clearly not entrusted to issue instructions to the team.

    About where we finish, I don’t think it matters really. I’m at a point of indifference. Whether we finish 4th, 6th or 9th, does it really matter? After all we do fuck-all in UCL and just embarrass ourselves on a bigger stage. Only loss will be keeping our star players and attracting more..though most wouldn’t want to play under Wenger unless you were 17 or 18.

    As long as we aren’t relegated and Wenger leaves, I’ll be happy. It’s just too insipid right now.

  9. Romford Pele

    Shad, yeah I do think Wenger would’ve gambled and not bought Welbz had L’Oreal not got injured.

    I know what you mean but I still think it’s important that we maintain that top 4 status quo. If say for example, we finish 7th and Wenger leaves and a whole host of players leave, we’re just basically inviting another period of transition again. I might be in the minority but I think there are a good crop of players here to work with, a few positions aside.

    Either way it is all a bit of a s*** show until Wenger goes.

  10. RJM

    Wish people would stop saying welbz, Arteta whoever wasnt a Wenger signing. Nobody, NOBODY at Arsenal interferes with the playing side or the personnel. Wenget probably has that stipulated as clause 1 in his contract, maybe clausev2 after his 8+ million!

    Wish Ivan would buy a player, within 24 hours Wenger would be gone!!

  11. Bilney

    “A club that took the biggest risk of all time in moving stadium, then decided that risk was no longer an option.”

    Couldn’t agree with you more!!

  12. Chris

    At times like this it is essentially to separate the substantive from the emotive. ‘controlling the cleaning lady’s shoes’ is funny, but also over the top. The Telegraph article actually says next to nothing at talks more about Paul Merson. I’m really sure that people in Arsenal, particularly the coaching staff, must be pissed off — but as yet, and even with this article, we know next to nothing about another emotive phrase ‘behind the iron curtain’. Every corporation is totalitarian in its control over information — it’ll be the same when another manager comes in except it may simply be Kroenke deciding the club’s identity. Which he can do. As it is his club. If it made money, he’d employ Tim Sherwood. Its his club. Period.

    As regards to the Telegraph article, nothing concrete is said. Its hardly breaking investigative journalism to say the coaching staff are probably frustrated. Everything else you’ve talked about, while a decent read, is just speculation – its just not known. At all.

    So I’m depressed about the whole thing — not making the subs we needed for twenty minutes before until Swansea scored. Really pissed me off. Saying the team was fatiguted after Anderlecht but then playing almost the same team and never using the subs for a decent amount of time. Really pissed me off. The defender situation. Really pisses me off. What gets me the most though is that when we finally oriented our game round defensive solidity in 2013 – we’d have won the league by some margin if it went from Jan2013-2014. So we have it in us. Its pretty much proof for me. But no we’ll watch a player we should have bought Oscar, and Fabregas, and Costa, and Matic win the league this season most likely. Their defense isn’t all that – Ivanovic aside, I think individually they’re not all the papers say they are. But they are in a team whose fullbacks and midfield don’t expose itself ridiculously all the time.

    Repetitive, stagnated, crystallized and not working. Its time for a change – Wenger’s support is at an all time low. So it would come as no surprise that the staff are pissed like every one else. And the players lets not forget who must get sick of having their arses handed to them and then humiliated. I think the responsibility is on the manager now. I’m not sticking up for him for this, but as regards the ‘leak’ there is next to nothing actually said so far as I can tell. I wouldn’t go over the top speculating with things like ‘Arsene’s 60 odd therefore won’t change’ – Ferguson’s true genius came in his sixties, learning how to rotate and adapt. Its not impossible. But I have to say, I don’t think any change is coming. I think its over.

  13. Emiratesstroller

    The hard facts are that we are not short of good players in our squad. There are of course some deadweights who should be offloaded. Sanogo would be one, but I am not a critic of Giroud as many others seem to be.

    He played quite well at start of last season, but it was the same problem for him as is the case now with our defence. There were no options and he was flogged to death with huge pressure on him to score goals.

    Welbeck is a good player, but rather limited in goalscoring potential. However, he has the advantage over Giroud last year that we have now alternative goalscoring options in team/squad.

    Let’s face it noone would be criticising our forward performance in either the game against Anderlecht or Swansea if our team had not capitulated in the way they did conceding five goals.

  14. Mark

    One day, he’s controlling the type of trainers the cleaning lady is wearing, the next, he’s sat in front of a TV with nothing to do bar some chores his wife has assigned him. That’s a pretty horrible feeling. Wenger isn’t a man content with spending an afternoon stripping wallpaper.
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    Don’t feel too sorry for him.

    He’ll be sitting on a fortune swamped with media work offers. He’ll have a few months off first. He’ll probably pack his speedos and sun himself on the beaches of Brazil.

    As I say, don’t shed too many tears. He has been paid handsomely and had a good working life. It’s not like he’ll be down the job centre begging for work and wondering how he’s going to put food on the table.

  15. Northern Gooner

    Good post, but regarding Bould, why is he just sitting there? Why isn’t he preparing the back four? If he’s not allowed to do this by Wenger why is he still there? Has the man got no pride? Doesn’t he have any balls? Bould should be bold and tell Wenger. My suggestion is one of two; either Bould backs Wengers policy or he is not up for the jobb. Many good fotballers have fallen through as managers and coaches. I can’t for a second think they disagree fundamentally about tactics, formation or training Methods – they are in it together, if they wern’t Bould would have gone long time ago – if he had any pride, ambition and coaching competence

  16. TheBayingMob

    All of that is fair enough but if you’re right … then why three years!? I don’t get that … this hasn’t suddenly happened, many of us lost the faith with Arsene at varying times from 2008 onwards. In Arsene We Rust has been going on for years. Something doesn’t add up, Ivan had the opportunity to step in and force Wenger’s hand at the end of last season but instead because of an FAC win he gets handed the keys to the Cadillac again and the whole management structure turn a blind eye hoping the train wreck will be so bad it will force a situation? Don’t get that at all … 2+2=3 here as far as I’m concerned …

  17. Ashwin Gunner

    Good post Pedro

    But I see Ivan as an acessory to the current failure. he is the CEO. He should take control of things. he should have the spine to stand up to Wenger and Kronke. He is equally inefficient. he should also go..

  18. TheBayingMob

    I’m with Northern Gooner as well. Why would Bould just sit there and take that sort of treatment? You just wouldn’t. There was a conversation on Talksport last night, they were basically saying that Rogers is failing at Liverpool because he has no control over players that are brought in They were basically absolving him of all responsibility because the situation has been forced on him. I just thought, no, that can’t be right. While I in no way condone the ‘one man’ Arsene Wenger control approach (as it’s redundant) to think that Rogers has absolutely no input into the squad being put together is a ludicrous idea, and so, the fact that Bould is being totally ignored or all other coaches around the squad have no influence whatsoever I think is also off the mark. if that’s bad they just hand in the resignations and go. If they are acting like that they are as much a part of the problem and Wenger and should be sacked with him.

  19. Ashwin Gunner

    As some one suggested yesterday , people who go to the game, should have a A4 Sheet paper in their hands with #WengerOut written in it.

    Humiliate the guy as hard as possible. Either he will quit or the world will know that he is shameless.

  20. Arsene's Nurse

    Emiratesstroller November 11, 2014 10:23:21

    Shad

    You can google DT, but you will need to pay subscription.
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    DT is free. You just have to know how to delete cookies to go above the 20 articles a month ‘block’.

  21. Ashwin Gunner

    “To my mind, I’d never, ever want a manager for 18 years again. It’s unhealthy in the extreme. The game moves to fast nowadays. If you’re somewhere for so long, you become entrenched,”

    Pedro

    I dont mind a manager who stays for long. as long as he is winning consistently.

    Fergie was incharge for 25 years and has won 49 trophies. He is one of the best managers the world has seen.

    Its not about longevity. Its about the passion and the hunger to learn which drives some one. Wenger dosent have both of them. All he has is 8m a year in his bank account and Diaby to massage when needed.

  22. Zoran

    I don’t believe in Ivan either.

    As a CEO, he offered to one senile man aged 65 a 3 years extension contract.

    To one man named the specialist in failure, as he is nothing else than that.

    1 trophy in 10 years is not Arsenal standards, and still he gets rewarded for such failures.
    We are speaking about one of the richest clubs in the world, the club that can afford any World class manager and player. And we are stacked with one senile idiot surrounded with average players like Monreal, Sanogo, Arteta, Flamini, Gibbs, Wilshere, Szezcny,

    Dein IN, give Usmanov more power, that’s the only way AFC can reach again the glory days.

  23. Romford Pele

    “I dont mind a manager who stays for long. as long as he is winning consistently.”

    I think the days of Fergie/Wenger (when he goes) style managers are over tbh. I think the longest managers will have now are 5/6 year stints. You can still have project-based teams, and I’d hope Arsenal would follow this vein rather than chopping and changing every couple of seasons. But I seriously doubt you’ll see managers at club for 10+ years from now on.

  24. RJM

    Arsene Wenger’s a sex case
    He wears a nonce’s hat
    And when he saw Sanogo’s cock
    he said here’s a 5 year contract!!!!

  25. TheBayingMob

    There’s a distinctive problem inside football that it only recruits, hires and operates ‘within’ itself. You constantly hear this phrase ‘he’s a good football man’. It’s closed ranks. It’s an old boys network, it’s corrupt and it’s employees are hooked on expensive reds and single malts. If you think about the sheer volume of cash that has come through the league since Sky and the TV money, they fact that has all mostly been lost down the fucking u-bend is heart breaking; one day when the TV money has dried up, or at least gone into a negative decline, people will look at this period and ask “what the fuck happened to all that money!?”. Manager’s don’t last long because by and large they’re clueless, drunk, gambling addicted fuckwits who get hired because they’re ‘good football men’. Look at who gets hired as managers. Keane. Soljskaer. Rogers. Moyes. Football men. I’m not really arguing it should be non-football people, but the structure should be about whoever comes in, proving they have the drive to succeed, the temperament to learn, humility to listen and ability to adapt. Most footballers have none of these traits. Arsene has lost his drive (4th is good enough), probably never had the temperament beyond the early part of career (I think the Invincible season was it), has no humility whatsoever and at 65, this lady ain’t for turning!!

  26. shad

    The patterns of failure are what I don’t get;
    2011: Sells Nasri & Clichy to City. City win title.
    2012: Wenger sells RVP to ManU and by Fergie’s admission revealed that Wenger told him “[he] will help you win the title..” ManU wins title.
    Meanwhile Fergie does us a favor by selling us Silvestre (who helped leak in goals in the UCL.

    Present: Wenger refuses to buy back Cesc (even if to let him rot on the bench) and instead free passes to Chelsea. Result : 11 games in 12 points behind. Coasting to title.

    And Mourinho refused to let us have Ba when he realized we were getting Özil, as he doesn’t believe in abetting your opponent to the title, and neither did Fergie.

    Wenger though..

    Anyone seeing the pattern..?

  27. TheBayingMob

    So to reiterate, I’m with others … I don’t believe in Ivan, I don’t believe in Arsene and I certainly don’t believe in S(a)tan. While I think Arsene needs changing, without the whole setup changing I think we really are onto a loser. Stan will just try and replace Wenger with another version that will probably be worse. Like, whatever …

  28. shad

    @Zoran,

    I don’t think Dein in is the solution. He brought in Wenger and he lately has been one sucking on the Wenger-Koolaid, praising his genius. Yet he sold out when he couldn’t handle it.

    The axis of evil i.e. Kroenke – Gazidis-Wenger needs to be decapitated if we are to move. forward. There is none that is less evil than the other. They all have played a part in putting us into this mess and none of them can play saving grace (sorry Pedro, Gazidis sold you a dummy)

  29. Romford Pele

    “The patterns of failure are what I don’t get”

    Many patterns of failure we could allude to my friend, but it seems pointless repeating ourselves.

  30. gazzap

    Next fixture is Man u at HOME.. if we lose that, I can see it getting very toxic for Wenger. At last. we must capitalise on this momentum we have now to remove the manager. He certainly cannot last 2.5 years under that kind of pressure.

  31. Romford Pele

    “Would people be happier with Usmanov taking over from Stan?”

    Yeah but it won’t happen, mate. Stan knows he’s sitting pretty on an asset which goes up in value by the year. Usmanov would have to pay over £1bn to acquire us you’d guess, and even then it’s not certain. Kroenke is in it for the long haul, the appointment of his son confirms this.

  32. Zoran

    shad

    You might be right, yes, he brough Wenger, but above all this man has Arsnal in his blood, don’t forget.

    As that time he brought Wenger, he could also bring some fresh blood in the club this time. He is open to the comeback, he stated it. And I bet you, he said it as he saw where his legacy was gone.

    I don’t believe he cares about Wenger more than he care about Arsenal.
    Same is with Usmanov, imo.

  33. Atomic

    three years on where is Diaby? is Wenger running Arsenal as some charity now? the guy never plays but he is occupying space. Flamini is a disaster and Arteta’s legs are gone. we have great pace up-front but no pace from the central midfield to the back. even Chambers at 19 lack pace. for God sick we used to have Veira, Gilberto, Parlor, lauren, Cole, Campbell, Toure. guys with legs. what’s going on? it is so depressing. we don’t beat the big boys any more.

  34. Jim Lahey

    @RP – I feel you are right, him and the sons will be around for a long time, until we are no longer profitabke….

    Apart from buying shares have either Stan or Usmanov put any money of their own into the club?

    By the way, would love to see Pep as the next manager, now that is the stuff of dreams only I am afriad.

  35. Rhys Jaggar

    Maybe Wenger’s biggest issue is understanding what he is best at??

    What, in my opinion, he is best at, is taking a two-bit, under-performing, but fundamentally sound football club and taking it up several levels.

    It’s not necessarily making a club the best in the world.

    He transformed Monaco, but never won the Champions League. He transformed Grampus Eight from the worst to the best in a diddy league. He took a staid, conservative old club in North London and made it invincible, moved the club to a 21st century stadium and put the finances in ship-shape order. But they never dominated like a Utd, a Bayern, a Real or a Juventus. They never even won a Champions League.

    What he should realise is that he could still do that one more time. Maybe not the whole journey, but quite a bit of the way.

    He could do it at Leeds Utd. One wonders whether he could do it at Racing Club Strasbourg. One wonders whether he could do it at a few other places.

    What he has shown himself incapable of is delegating authority in a team of top professionals. Once a club gets beyond a certain size or a manager gets beyond a certain age, or both, you have to do that. There simply aren’t enough hours in the day to do it all yourself..

    Arsenal is now at that position and has, in my opinion, been there for 5 or 6 years.

    Here are a few questions:
    1. The new training complex at Southampton: was it designed, project managed and signed off by Nigel Adkins? Maurico Pocchetino?? Or did the commercial management seek input from managers, coaches, medical staff etc before signing off a design themselves, contracting a supplier to build it?? Have they been put at a disadvantage by the whole process not being controlled by the manager??
    2. Did Jose Mourinho suffer disadvantages through giving opportunities to Brendan Rodgers, Andre Villas-Boas et al on the training pitch?? Ditto Ancellotti with Paul Clement? Or did they find their knowledge being upgraded, challenged and reinvented through exposing themselves to thrusting young ambitious guys looking to help their boss before branching out on their own??
    3. Have West Ham got better or worse through the owners insisting that their manager play a more attacking style and suggesting bringing in an attacking coach with experience of scoring goals at the very highest levels of football?

    I’m sure a few other questions might pertain, but those three will do for now.

    We all know that Martin Keown’s input to defence in the 2006 run to the Champions League final was pivotal. You could probably see the same if you used Tony Adams, Steve Bould or Lee Dixon. They’ve forgotten more about defending than Arsene Wenger will ever learn. And the key thing Wenger hasn’t learned is that that doesn’t matter. The key thing is that he knows how to evaluate their input. He doesn’t need to know more about defending, he just needs to judge the outcomes.

    Where is the similar input for midfield and striking?? It wasn’t needed in the decade of Bergkamp and Vieira, perhaps it is now??

    Who are the analysts analysing opponent videos with a fine-toothed comb? Where are the computer programmers writing proprietary software to provide the club with competitive edge in that arena? Where are the squad rotation modellers, the in-game strategic modellers and the post-match rehabilitation modellers??

    If they exist at Arsenal, we never hear anything about them.

    If Arsene Wenger wants to stay at Arsenal, he should really have to do all of those things. It shouldn’t be optional, it should be contingent.

    Everyone knows how his Monaco reign ended – a season falling apart.

    He will only have himself to blame if the same thing happens at Arsenal.

  36. Jim Lahey

    Its so odd, a memory just flashed through my mind of the mid 2000s of my dad saying that the most important signing of the summer was Wenger signing a new contract, a decade on and my dad is now the most Anti-Arsené person I know!

    Arsené spent a decade building a legacy and another decade tearing it apart, very sad.

  37. Romford Pele

    “Apart from buying shares have either Stan or Usmanov put any money of their own into the club?”

    No mate. They both know that Arsenal is a huge cash cow. I’m even skeptical of Usmanov tbh. That said, despite their presence, it’s not like we can’t spend money, this summer being the perfect case-in point. How we utilise it is more apt, especially considering our wage bill. Because at the end of the day, you can moan about money, but that has nothing to do with your team being so fragile defensively and lacking discipline.

    RE Pep, obviously he’s probably no.1. Ancelotti no. 2. But we’re talking about Bayern and Madrid here, elite clubs, the cream of the crop, rich European history etc. Unless they have a burning desire to help Arsenal, I can’t see why they’d want to come here. It’d be the biggest challenge that either of them would face but they might not want to do so much rebuilding work.

  38. Romford Pele

    Jim, in 2002/3, Wenger was one of the most admired managers in world football so it was a no brainer to renew his contract then. But the difference between Wenger then and now is startling. He’s devoid of ideas and has just grown stale at Arsenal. Change has never been anymore necessary.

  39. Dorobucci

    Pedro whatever you took from gazidis please return it.He gave that old man a three year deal because he is a sliming akb. stop making him look like a saint and I doubt if any fan can take the shit show we have been getting since 2008 and not fire wenger. the lots out please.

  40. Ozrus

    How terrible is the post’s headline!? “High level leaks”? I’ve read the Telegraph article. The leaks assumption is proper tosh. Pedro, you don’t have to post bullshit to make a point.

  41. Adam A. Carbarundum

    Such lather on display…enough for a soap factory and then some. Bottom line, nothing is going to happen. Wenger will stay on, Stan won’t oust him, and Ivan the Implausible will keep on smirking. None of you will bring your Wenger Out posters cause that’s not what you do, you never do.

    The only person getting a true rise out of this is Pedro, who otherwise would have nothing to blog.

    Nothing to see here, move along move along.

  42. Jim Lahey

    @Rp – Just on Pep, someone was on here last week and suggested that he will be leaving Bayern once his current contract is up, have you heard anything to that effect?

    I wonder if Usmanov gained control would he spend like Abramovich? I’ve heard stuff over the years of Usmanov offereing to pay off the stadium debt in exchange for a place on the board, now I have no idea if that is true or not.

  43. Romford Pele

    Jim – It wouldn’t surprise me. I’ve heard rumours that Pep doesn’t want to have a long managerial career. He’s already won a ridiculous amount and he’s still only 43. Might want to do another two clubs and retire around 50 or just after. Who knows though.

    Like I say, not really sure RE Usmanov. Certain people will always say certain things to get the fans on side. But we don’t really know how he’d act if he was in charge. No doubting Usmanov’s wealth though, richer than Abramovich.

  44. nuudles

    Out with the has-been. Bring in someone with something to prove and willing to admit when he is wrong on top of beibg open to advice from him staff…

    IF we get a proper manager next year we could do very well. We only need 2 first team class signings (DM & CB) and one or two squad players. We all know what we really need is belief, a clear plan (while changeable), and a calming influence from the boss.

  45. Emiratesstroller

    Romford Pele

    We are all sceptical about Usmanov, because of his history.

    However, what I can tell you is that Usmanov is President of FIE [World Federation of Fencing] and has pumped in millions of euros of his own money into the development of that sport. That is based on personal knowledge.

    My view is that Usmanov would have not used the construction of the stadium
    as an excuse not to invest in the team. He would have pumped money into the
    club in similar fashion to Abramovich, but perhaps in a more business-like fashion.

    The only problem with Usmanov is that rather like Kroenke he is a fan of Wenger and would still have relied on his judgment. The reality is that all the
    major shareholders of club past or present are fans of our Manager.

  46. GoonerGaunty73

    Fergie only lasted as long as he did because he constantly changed his backroom team to keep things fresh. He was happy to share the workload but was always the boss – Why AW has an issue with this I’ll never know. He is ruining all his good work at the club with this stubborn attitude to change.

    On another note, as well as slating the manager for his tactics, some of the players need to sort themselves out. I play football on a Monday night, full of 40yr old overwieght guys. We all focus on not everyone bombing forward and making sure we have cover at the back – we don’t need some French bloke on £8m a year to tell us such basics…………..

  47. TitsMcgee

    I can totally see Wenger panic buying one or two mediocre defenders in January and maybe another Kallstrom special.

    Wenger has 16m on his plate if he sticks around and takes the abuse for two more years. I’m sorry but nothing that we know about the man points to him just walking away from that amount of money.

    Ironic though that he is frugal with the club’s money but has no problem cashing in a king’s ransom for losing about 90% of his road games vs quality opposition the last 5 years.

  48. Romford Pele

    Emirates,

    Usmanov is a strong Arsenal fan and has reiterated that numerous times, guess on that front you can fault his commitment.

    What’s interesting though is that former players who were AKBs (Merson, Wright) are now coming out in criticising the manager – that’s definitely saying something.

  49. DUIFG

    Great post. Such a tired manager, now not only outfoxed by our rivals in big games it’s happening against any mid level club with a decent manager.

    Let’s face it we have been awful all season, that joke of a winning run where it was the Sanchez show lucked out large versus lecht and beat the 2 worst teams in the league.

    We probably will get 4th so the entire cycle begins again next year, the players must realise this.

  50. Romford Pele

    Not too fussed about the interlull, gets boring repeating yourselves RE Arsenal. Catch up on a couple TV shows and hit the gym. Loads of stuff to keep me occupied.

  51. Keyser

    The Telegraph piece doesn’t even quote Wright does it ? What did he even say ? Surely the papers would be all over that.

    Over the past 3 years we’ve seen numerous variances on the way we play or even defend as a team, so either Bould had no say and we were defending well anyway, or he was actively a part of it.

    We kept 17 Premiership clean sheets last year, despite the massive losses, if you looked at the stats something like 22 of our 24 victories came when we scored 1st, considering many of those games would’ve involved clean sheets, 15 out of 22 wins came when we scored first.

    So there’s a clear division, where we fell down was when we conceded first, especially against the big teams.

    So what’s different this year ?

    Well Arteta/Flamini are a year older.
    As is Mertesacker.
    We’ve used 3 different right backs, after Sagna’s departure.
    We’re blooding another 2 attacking players.
    Ramsey’s form has regressed.

  52. Carts

    Rhys – that post was nooice!

    intersting you mentioned the following:

    “Who are the analysts analysing opponent videos with a fine-toothed comb? Where are the computer programmers writing proprietary software to provide the club with competitive edge in that arena? Where are the squad rotation modellers, the in-game strategic modellers and the post-match rehabilitation modellers??”

    I’m inclined to believe that even if there were such goings on at this very moment in time – it’ll be treasonous that it ever gets out. Having absolute Power, to me, is being made accountable for both success and failures. Historical leaders such as Hitler and Stalin were control freaks, but even they had to delegate when neccesary. Stalin, worst of all, if I remember correctly, had his general executed for not toeing the line etc.

    Yes its an extreme we’ll never see at the Emirate – Bould dying via firing squad, on the half-way line – while were trailing 0-3 to Chelsea, with the players in the dressing room. Wenger can’t be seen to have lesser input than he makes out.

    There’s this impression I get from Wenger that he’s bang out of idea and his OCD just won’t let him relinquish power. I find it insanely hard to believe that Wenger actually approaches every game with a slightly different approach. Any manager who takes his position as coach/manager seriously will and should do his utmost to highlight the oppositions’ SWOT.

    Do such innovations exsist at Arsenal…you’d fucking hope so. With all the money and resources we have, what’s the biggy in allocating few hundred thousand toward a model that will benefit the entire coaching and management set-up?

  53. Romford Pele

    “What did he even say ?”

    He said on BBC 606 that he knows Bould has recommended players to Wenger and AW hasn’t listened.

  54. Emiratesstroller

    Romford Pedro

    I know from personal information that Usmanov wants control of Arsenal, but
    unfortunately the structure of shareholding and the fact that Fiszman would
    never sell to him for a number of reasons prevented him from taking control.

    However, the fact that he has remained a shareholder suggests that he still has
    an expectation to take over the club.

    Usmanov would not continue to be a shareholder if that is not the case. He is a
    very astute businessman and not like Abramovich.

    Why would any serious businessman hold onto a large shareholding costing
    hundreds of millions of pounds without receiving a dividend AND not even having a seat on the Board?

  55. TitsMcgee

    What, in my opinion, he is best at, is taking a two-bit, under-performing, but fundamentally sound football club and taking it up several levels.”

    Somebody put it well the other day:

    “Wenger’s replacement might come 10th but he might also win the league. We’ll do neither under Wenger”.

  56. Keyser

    “What’s interesting though is that former players who were AKBs (Merson, Wright) are now coming out in criticising the manager – that’s definitely saying something.”

    They’ve been doing this for years, they’re paid to do it, they’ve based media careers on it, where have you been ?

  57. Romford Pele

    “Wenger’s replacement might come 10th but he might also win the league. We’ll do neither under Wenger”

    Yeah I agree. We’ll likely finish fourth again but it’ll be more of the same next season.

  58. Romford Pele

    “They’ve been doing this for years, they’re paid to do it, they’ve based media careers on it, where have you been ?”

    There’s a difference between criticising Arsenal and criticising the manager directly.

  59. Romford Pele

    Tits, doesn’t surprise me RE Di Maria. The likes of him and Alexis are high-risk/high reward type players. They do tend to give the ball away a lot but it’s tempered by the fact that they’re the ones likely to make the difference in the final third.

  60. Keyser

    Was that it ? Did he expand on it ? It’s probably still up right on the 5LIVE site ?

    What’s interesting is how much of a frenzy will the media be able to whip up, and will it be enough for all those fans wanting Wenger out to do something about it, after all those years, it’d be like seeing a kid ride without stabilisers for the first time.

  61. Keyser

    Tits McGee – Seriously why don’t you stop being a NetPussy for once, Man-Up and actually call people out by name, and then say the following ‘You’re an AKB cunt, and I don’t think your opinion’s welcome here’.

    You can’t hide behind the ‘I’m in America, I can’t do anything’ excuse on this one.

  62. Romford Pele

    “Was that it ? Did he expand on it ?”

    How much more does he need to expand? If he’s saying something like that then it’s clear that there are disagreements behind the scene. It’s not like this is the first time something like this has been brought up either.

    Well I doubt anything will happen anyway, the board are fully behind Wenger and most fans are too scared to actually do anything about it. They’ll moan but action won’t go past that. Ashwin suggested that fans bring placards to the game saying Wenger Out, i’d be hugely surprised if this ever happened.

  63. Keyser

    “There’s a difference between criticising Arsenal and criticising the manager directly.”

    Not really, or you wouldn’t have called them AKB’s to begin with, like they’ve ever been AKB’s, just ex-Arsenal players who are paid by the media to critique what’s going on.

    Stuart Robson started that Bould rubbish years ago.

  64. Romford Pele

    On a separate note, fair play to Moyes. Most British managers are too afraid of moving and trying their hand abroad. Ratings and I hope it goes well for him.

  65. Romford Pele

    “Not really, or you wouldn’t have called them AKB’s to begin with, like they’ve ever been AKB’s, just ex-Arsenal players who are paid by the media to critique what’s going on.”

    Well, yeah really. A lot used to criticise the players but we’ve been through a plethora of players and the same issues remain so the buck stops with the manager.

    Yeah but you knew Stuart Robson had an agenda, why would Ian Wright have an agenda? We’re not doing well and we’ve been seeing our weaknesses exposed for ages, why wouldn’t people complain?

  66. N5

    Great post Pedro, but like the others I think Ivan is a snake and think he’s as bad as the others.

    Jim, Usminov would be the only way out of the situation now wouldn’t it? Stan is not going to sell and is giving the club to his son as his own personal play thing! Usminov may be a gangster with blood money, but I imagine we’d see an owner that wanted to win things by pumping cash into the club!! At this point in time I don’t give a shit if we go down the Chelsea, City, PSG route. I’d love to be challenging on all fronts. I’d like to know we would be getting in the best players and not just your Sanogos and Flaminis of this world. I’d like to be fucking relevant!!

    Usminov IMO is the only way of getting Stan away from the club!!

    #HostileTakeover.

  67. Keyser

    “If he’s saying something like that then it’s clear that there are disagreements behind the scene”

    No, it’s not, it would make no sense just like any other time, Wenger hires Bould, Bould’s a miracle worker/ Bould’s being marginalised has been ever present depending on our results, it’s just something that’s brought up.

    What Wright says is extremely important, is he just passing on the usual 3rd hand Stuart Robson rubbish, or has he actually talked to Bould, and if so in what context.

    Think about it, if he’s talked to Bould, Bould’s passing on this information at which point you’d surely get reporters asking him questions.

    Bould at no point that I can remember has ever given an interview and to be honest he seems like the ‘us and them’ type.

  68. N5

    Ozrus, “the leak” headline isn’t suggesting the Telegraph is the leak! The finish line isn’t the winner of a race is it! use your head!

  69. Leedsgunner

    Although I understand Pedro’s rationale in backing Gazidas, even if Wenger went at the end of this season I don’t think Ivan will change things at AFC very much. Remember Wenger was instrumental in him getting the Arsenal position in the first place. If we want wholesale change Kronke has to go and he isn’t going anywhere soon.

    Wenger is institutionalised to AFC now — he won’t go anywhere else. Even when he gives up the manager’s role I can see him joining the board. He’ll want to emulate SAF, the man he has spent his entire career being outsmarted by.

  70. Zoran

    “However, the fact that he has remained a shareholder suggests that he still has
    an expectation to take over the club. ”

    Exactly, emirates.

    I was reading also as why he didn’t put his own money into the club?

    Why should he. As minority share holder to put his money and that the yankee cunt get’s the profit????

    If he did pump millions as President of FIE, I see no reason he wouldn’t do it with Arsenal, if he was majority share holder.

    And as a very good friend of Abramovitch, he would also like to show him that he could pump millions into Arsenal.
    And as double so rich than Abramovitch it should not be so difficult.

  71. Carts

    I too have noticd something about Di Maria this season, just going of his Utd perfornmances here. His infield passes are usually wayward – making his ball retention look poor. Yes he can beat a man or two, and he delivery into the box are usually good. But his corner are fucking embarrasing. Almost all his corner against Crystal Palace were shit.

    Now when you look at the kind of deliveries coming from Kroos and Rodriguez – either side – it work out to be far more beneficial than having Di Maria as due to their deliveries into the box, you stand a greater chance of scoring.

    Not to mention, Di Maria wasn’t/ isn’t renowned for his goals.

  72. Romford Pele

    “What agenda does Robson have?”

    When Robson used to work for Arsenal, he’d openly criticise tactics (not that he’s wrong) and the way Arsenal defended. He got asked to leave at the end of the season (2011/12?) and has been scathing of Arsenal ever since. I don’t really blame him for what he said anyway, it’s all true.

    http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2013/02/20/3766656/arsenal-legend-bob-wilson-brands-stewart-robson-bitter-for

  73. Keyser

    “Yeah but you knew Stuart Robson had an agenda, why would Ian Wright have an agenda?”

    Lol are you serious ? It used be Wright sat next to Durham on Talksport, you sound tired, you stated as much, but then that’s what this is, there aren’t any new revelations, it’s just the end of a long history with Wenger and Arsenal.

    As soon as he leaves the process starts again with the new manager, the hype if results go right, the questioning if they go wrong, you made a good point about managers never staying as long as in the past, that’s as much about the way the modern media work as how football has progressed.

    Fergie went 5 years without a trophy when he first started, and there was fans unrest back then, I’m wondering how long it would’ve taken for the banner behind a place in today’s climate.

  74. Paulinho

    Romford – Yeah I have heard other people say that(Robson having an agenda), which always puzzled me, because as you’ve already alluded to, he was already pretty scathing when he was an analyst for Arsenal. That’s why they got rid of him, and replaced him with a nice unoffensive ‘yes man’ in Adrian Clarke.

  75. Keyser

    Lol the Usmanovski’s or any Usbek variation.

    Why should Usmanov put money in ? Because he says he cares about Arsenal, the team, he says Wenger needs money and that he wants the fans to be happy, Why ? Because he supposedly is one.

    If you were an Arsenal fan with 18 billion behind you, would you really be bothered about paying for a few players ?

    Players that would garner you masses of good will, publicity, and the better the team does the higher the share price increases anyway.

  76. Romford Pele

    Keyser,

    I’m tired because of Wenger’s philosophy. Playing an open expansive game with geriatrics at CB and DM is always asking for trouble. Even when we supposedly had a ‘fluid way’ of playing, our weaknesses have always been present.

    Fundamentally you and I disagree on the way teams should be built. I much prefer to build from the back. You talk a lot about developing players, sure, but there are ways you can go about this without exposing your fundamental flaws. Arsenal under Wenger always want to play attacking football, and as a result, we will always be susceptible to teams who counter quickly. This is why it makes it all the more important that we have proper players in these positions.

    I think it’d be evident why i’m moaning.. You’ll always talk about turnover of players, and sure this has an impact but to an extent.

  77. Shaun Wilson

    At last there is some momentum growing around the issue of getting Wenger out as soon as possible. I think that what we are seeing now is the dam breaking on a lot of repressed feelings concerning the myriad shortcomings of Wengers reign. Now this is happening the resulting communal catharthis should be very interesting.

  78. TheBayingMob

    Worse case scenario is AW moving upstairs. He’ll keep control of things and he’ll keep his fingers in all the pies. IG deserves a chance to CEO the company with the dictator there, but I think he is as much of the problem as AW and SK are. the whole thing reeks, problem is we are locked in with the Kroenke’s for the next 10 or 20 years maybe? The only way to get them out is a full on massive revolt and the fans to stop going to the games. That’s never even remotely going to happen.

  79. Keyser

    Paulinho – He was a commentator for the club on reserve games, he’s now rent-a-gob on Radio and Television shows, he’s directly benefitting from his connection to Arsenal, the more scathing or controversial he is, the more media platforms line him up.

    You’re not going to say he’s just being honest and impartial are you ?

  80. Romford Pele

    “That’s why they got rid of him, and replaced him with a nice unoffensive ‘yes man’ in Adrian Clarke.”

    Adrian Clarke is the ultimate ‘yes man’. And it’s frustrating because I watch his show on Arsenal Player and it’s obvious that he knows the deficiencies but will never criticise the establishment.

  81. Carts

    Bob Wilson is either blind or simply keeping his mouht shut. I’d of thought he’d ring Robson and say “mate…you’re so damn right about Wenger. Just cos I’m calling you ‘bitter’ it’s just to appease Wenger. You understand right?!”

    “Robson also blamed Arsenal’s eight-year trophy drought on the 63-year-old and claims the Frenchman “doesn’t do much coaching” and “doesn’t have an actual game plan”.”

    Now, considering that article was almost 2 years ago, what has actually changed, based on Robson accusations? It sure as hell seem like Wenger doesn’t do much coaching or devises neccesary games plans as we’ve witnessed time and time again by our performances on the pitch.

  82. TitsMcgee

    Robson , Merson and now Wright aren’t saying anything that we don’t say on here regularly. It’s just it hits a nerve with the AKBs because their last stalwarts are turning on Le Fraud.

  83. gambon

    “Why should Usmanov put money in ? Because he says he cares about Arsenal, the team, he says Wenger needs money and that he wants the fans to be happy, Why ? Because he supposedly is one.”

    And how is he supposed to put money into the club exactly?

    He isnt even on the board, is he supposed to just stuff an envelope with £40m through the letterbox?

    Does he sign a player himself? How can he? Pretty sure a player cant be transferred from Barcelona to Mr A Usmanov.

    He may own 30% of the club but he is completely frozen out.

    Money isnt the issue, we have spent £120m in the last 15 months, Wenger has just done what he always does, spend money on random shit and completely ignore our issues.

  84. Paulinho

    Keyser – Yeah of course he’s impartial and honest. He was saying we were shit defensively back then, and he’s still saying it. How do you wan him to express it? Refer to Wenger as ‘Lord’or something?

  85. Romford Pele

    Still loads of AKB legends tbh. Henry, Pires, Keown, Ray Parlour…. I’d love to know what they truly think but out of respect for Wenger they’d never say anything bad.

  86. shad

    @Rhys,

    In a nutshell, what you are highlighting is that Wenger is a good manager but a poor coach.

    He is shit tactically, he doesn’t pay attention to conditioning, light training, recovery times and rotation to mitigate player fatigue. He doesn’t care for the defensive side of the game (has a penchant for signing shitty CBs and he somehow makes the good ones shit).

    His winning team legacy was built on an inherited defence (remember Winterburn/Dixon on the wings, Bouldy, Adams, Keown)?

    You somehow get that the incinvibles achieved what they did inspite of him because they had such strong characters all over (esp after France won the WC in 98 and Euro 2000 – the French connection), and Brazil won the WC in 2002 we had the likes of Edu, Gilberto..)

    Somehow after he dispatched the last lot with Viera and Henry, there was nothing. And really that is where his shit management has been highlighted ever since.

    He is a good manager no doubt – he can cook books, make the accounts appealing to all and sundry. But as a coach, he is way off the top echelons. No zeal to win, try different things tactically or man manage overpaid lads.

  87. TitsMcgee

    Robson has been banging on for Wenger’s lack of tactics for years. Merson and Wright are just Johnny-come latelys. I don’t care if he has an axe to grind he’s spitting the truth about the situation.

    It’s not like he’s accusing Wenger of being a kiddie-fiddler. He’s spouting something that happens to be 100% accurate and is no different to anything the vast majority on here have been saying for years.

  88. Paulinho

    “If you were an Arsenal fan with 18 billion behind you, would you really be bothered about paying for a few players ?”

    All good except Wenger said repeatedlybetween 07-12 that all clubs should spend their natural resources and that he had no interest in taking part in financial doping, and spending ‘artificially pumped’ money from external sources.

    More completely laughable revisionism.

  89. Zoran

    “He isnt even on the board, is he supposed to just stuff an envelope with £40m through the letterbox?”

    LOL!
    It would be easier if e asks Kroenke his account umber, I guess.

  90. Keyser

    RomfordPele – No dude, you talk about fundamental flaws like you can escape them, Mourinho supposedly builds from the back or the basics he still ends up having to rely on the necessary quality.

    You just choose to ignore these flaws and in Mourinho’s case his career has been as much about concealing them as it has been about addressing them.

    We spent 30 million on defenders this summer, supposedly the 35 million we spent on Sanchez is what’s keeping us around at the moment, we needed that years ago, every year that went by that we lost players, is being added onto what we see now in terms of development.

    This is inescapable, just look around at the teams for examples. In the end you’ll see the same things happen across football.

    You can drill defenders it’s far harder to coach intuitive and imaginative attacking play, that should just be a given, I’d love it if Le Grove had a 5-a-side team just to see how posters put their varying insights into practice on the pitch.

    I can understand the frustration, it’s almost monotonous, and with the hype and polarisation it seems even more profound I’m just not going to disregard that this is what makes football all the more compelling as a whole.

  91. gambon

    Paulinho

    Yeah but when asked about PSGs new Qatari ownership he said how great the investment was and how thoroughly needed it was.

    Hes just a heavily medicated twat, jumping from one reactive opinion to the next.

  92. N5

    gambon, the whole Usminov thing was more if he was able to get himself onto the board rather than what the situation is now. But you’re right, even with 120 million pounds we’d still not be buying the right players.

  93. Romford Pele

    “Mourinho supposedly builds from the back or the basics he still ends up having to rely on the necessary quality.”

    Maybe because if you have a solid base at the back you can rely on the necessary quality further forward to do the business. Lol how has Mourinho concealed his flaws? Dude has won CL twice.

    “We spent 30 million on defenders this summer”
    And Wenger then sold Vermaelen, knowing Sagna would leave and that Kos had a long-standing achilles issue.

    “You can drill defenders it’s far harder to coach intuitive and imaginative attacking play”

    You harp on about this good players make stuff happen.

    Football is a results-based business, do what you need to do to get the results.

  94. Paulinho

    Gambon – Yep, but as a manager he wanted to differentiate himself from the rest. He tried his best to play the pauper role as long as possible because he knew he would get exposed alot quicker if he was spending big sums back in 08/09, and he enjoyed developing players as well. He was in his element back then.

    Look at how he criticises Sanchez so openly and yet Deckchair Denilson could do no wrong.

  95. Keyser

    Paulinho – Lol, so nothing revisionist about Robson ? He gets paid to be critical, he’s made a media career about being critical/scathing about Wenger.

    Was the second post serious ? If all teams simply used their own resources we’d have had no problems to begin with and Wengers never asked the question.

  96. Romford Pele

    I was actually disgusted with how Wenger left Chambers out to dry against Swansea.

    All this ‘let players express themselves and make decisions on their own’ is BS. What exactly is he getting paid £8m per annum for?

  97. Carts

    “Still loads of AKB legends tbh. Henry, Pires, Keown, Ray Parlour…. I’d love to know what they truly think but out of respect for Wenger they’d never say anything bad.”

    Honestly, only a fool would side with Wenger entirely. After a few stiff drinks, I’m certain that the aforementioned will come clean about what they think about Wenger – as in the Wenger of the last 9 years.

  98. Keyser

    gambon – Lol if he can’t then he shouldn’t run his mouth, in the end us, the fans, are simply being fed hot air.

    “Money isnt the issue, we have spent £120m in the last 15 months,”

    Fucking hell, 120 million after 9 years of nothingness, half our rivals have been sold players by us, others are back in the league, are you really going to actually use the fact we’re spending now to ignore that we needed the money through all the years off bullshit we went through on this blog.

  99. TitsMcgee

    All this ‘let players express themselves and make decisions on their own’ is BS. What exactly is he getting paid £8m per annum for?”

    It’s ridiculous. I have said time and time again that he treats this club like it’s a football academy rather than a first tier, top 6 club in the world.

    The scary part is he probably thinks he’s doing the players/fans a favor.

  100. Paulinho

    Keyser – He’s made a career and has gotten to the point where people respect his opinion because he’s been proven right, and is pretty well spoken. Most people have a clue about football were scathing about Wenger way back then, and they’re hardly going to pull back when being proved more and more correct with every passing year.

    ” If all teams simply used their own resources we’d have had no problems to begin with and Wengers never asked the question”

    Yes we would. Wenger teams would collapse regardless. What’s so convenient (and people seem to forget) is that the oil money was getting pumped in just as the last remnants of the Graham era were leaving the club, from the 1st generation (Parlour, Keown) to the players it was passed on to (Henry, Pires, Ljungberg).

    Fully Wengerised teams are programmed to collapse and be flimsy. It already happened in the 97/98 season when Blackburn beat us 3-1 and it needed Adams and Bould to effectively manage the team themselves. Now the squad is full of Wenger players who do not have that ability to ruffle feathers. No surprise when Wenger actively discourages it and wants everyone to be all zen-like.

  101. Keyser

    RomfordPele – Chelsea reached two Champions League finals without him, Ancelotti walked in and won the Champions League with Real Madrid in a year, this is what I mean.

    You sit there excusing Mourinho, or were you thinking Avram Grant is a genius.

    Seriously you’re going to end up making the same excuses for other teams, I said that before and you will, you’re simply letting frustration get the better of you.

  102. Paulinho

    “Still loads of AKB legends tbh. Henry, Pires, Keown, Ray Parlour…. I’d love to know what they truly think but out of respect for Wenger they’d never say anything bad.”

    Keown has just become so spineless. He was laughable on MOTD the other night. Just rambling complete incoherant nonsense, blaming Mertesacker one minute for not having a gramophone to organise everyone, then lumping it on Flamini, and then going to talk about Wenger’s attacking philosophy and how we didn’t implement it properly.

  103. Romford Pele

    “Fully Wengerised teams are programmed to collapse and be flimsy.”

    So so true.

    I remember being at Highbury watching us play ‘Boro back in 01/02 and we were expected to roll them over but got trounced 0-3 in our backyard by a team that was, quite frankly, dog turd. I could give you a list of collapses. Even at the peak of our powers in 02/03, we somehow choked an eight-point lead and then threw it away when we were 0-2 up away to Bolton and ended up drawing 2-2. It’s nothing new. Collapses have been a feature under Wenger.

  104. Keyser

    Paulinho – Don’t bullshit your way out of it now, you brought revisionism into, the fact is he’s paid to have an opinion. He actively uses his connection to us to felch a living.

    It’s like people being amazed by Neville, when all it does is highlight how painfully average everyone else was, I actually like Robson’s analysis, but I’m not going to pretend he’s ‘enlightened’ it’s just a bit better than than the rest.

    Also if everyone used their own resources in the first place, your comment is obsolete.

  105. Romford Pele

    Keyser – why would my frustration not get the better of me when I see the same Bs happen each year. We have a wage bill higher than Chelsea yet look at the differences. Sure,i’m not painting out other managers to be perfect. I’ve seen Pep and Mourinho spend money horrendously too but their teams don’t fold/capitulate/show the same weaknesses on a regular basis.

    I want to win. Southampton have lost half their squad and are doing better than last season. it’s like you talk about Wenger’s method being the best way forward when it’s been proven loads of times that it isn’t. At the end of the day, I think another manager could do a better job and would get better results, that’s essentially what it boils down to.

  106. Mark

    “He isnt even on the board, is he supposed to just stuff an envelope with £40m through the letterbox?”

    Get George Graham on the board. He’d make it happen – with a cut for himself.

  107. Romford Pele

    Arsene Wenger will never change and is set to oversee a dismal campaign that is only going to get worse, according to former player Paul Merson.

    The ex-Gunner has continued his onslaught of Wenger having called him “tactically clueless” after the north London side surrendered a 3-0 lead to draw to Anderlecht in the Champions League last week.

    Wenger then hit back by saying Merson was a “joke” for his comments while pointing out that he has never managed a top side.

    And now the former attacker has twisted the knife further.

    “Arsenal’s season is going from bad to worse but is it the end of the road for Arsene Wenger? I doubt it. Not while the board are showing so little ambition. Why sack someone who makes you money every year and hardly ever spends it?” Merson told the Star.

    “I think they are taking liberties with the fans. Arsenal only realistically have the FA Cup to play for this season.

    “That’s not good enough when you’re paying thousands for a season ticket. They’re not winning the league. Even Wenger says they can’t catch Chelsea any more. And let’s be honest, they’re not winning the Champions League either are they?

    “Arsenal’s season is usually over by February when they have a mad week and go out of everything. But it’s in danger of being over a lot quicker than that this year.”

    He added: “To say you’re out of the title race in November like Wenger just has is embarrassing.

    “It’s hard to watch Arsenal right now. I played there for years. I won things with the club. I still look for their results. But it hurts to see them like this.”

  108. SpanishDave

    An insite to Wengers head can clearly be seenvthruogh the squad hd has assembled. A complete ragbag of players that really do not fit together. Over the last few games they have tackled each other,got in each others way, bunched up in a straight line, wandering back and booting passes to no one.
    His days are over but the board are scared of him, the fans have to turn in a big way to get rid of him.

  109. Paulinho

    “Also if everyone used their own resources in the first place, your comment is obsolete.”

    And as I’ve already said, that’s bullshit, because our teams would have collapsed anyway. Regardless of oil money. The choking quality of Wenger teams are exceptional; they adapt to what’s around them.

  110. S Asoa

    Rightly said
    GAZIDAS is another pawn in the Kroenke Empire. No matter our indignation about why Gazidas does not hire and fire , is because as per the Kroenke scheme of things , Wenger show is just an optimization of his investment ( procured with a soft loan from Arsnal itself. This itself should have rung alarm bells about the Creep taking over AFC ) .
    If Gazidas goes over Wenger he might have to eat crow.
    The shit Sirs is coming out of a big Arsehole Kankeroo- a Thing, not a person with any principles. Just the Thingfather and Mother of all shit

  111. Keyser

    Romford Pele – “Southampton have lost half their squad and are doing better than last season. it’s like you talk about Wenger’s method being the best way forward when it’s been proven loads of times that it isn’t”

    Lol this sums it up, what’s the Wenger method and how is what Southampton are doing any different.

    They invest in youth and sell at a price, we’ve done what Southampton have at a higher level for almost 2 decades now.

  112. Emiratesstroller

    Zoran

    Usmanov did make an offer to lend money to Arsenal so that they could buy
    players and he also suggested that the club should float additional shares on the market.

    However, Kroenke declined both offers for obvious reasons. Kroenke is interested keeping control of club and like his other franchises operate them as
    profitable businesses.

    There is no evidence that he has invested his own money in improving any team at any of the franchises.

  113. Keyser

    Paulinho – Do you even understand why you made the comment in the first place, you made it out like even if Wenger was given the money, he’d turn it down, when the problems been that other teams have used outside investment to exceed anything we’ve tried.

    Even your bullshit validation ignores this.

  114. Romford Pele

    Lol it doesn’t sum up anything. Investment doesn’t explain you collapsing and drawing 3-3 at home against academy teams, nor does it explain you getting hammered because you are playing a suicidal high line away to your rivals with someone who turns slower than a tanker at CB. Our wagebill shows we have invested, like Gambon says, just not well. We have 3,560 midfielders, yet we are short at CB. We bought an injured GK lol who has now suffered two injuries already. Then we want to shift our record signing to the wing to play Wilshere and Ramsey together…. It’s endless lol

  115. Shaun Wilson

    Marco Reus set to turn down Arsenal because her wants to win trophies – meanwhile we are circling ex Chippenham united defender Mings… Mings – sort of sums up the current state of affairs doesn’t it?

  116. Paulinho

    “when the problems been that other teams have used outside investment to exceed anything we’ve tried.”

    Yeah, and what does it matter when Wenger would’ve had no interest in spending Usmanov money anyway. You’re hanging on, clinging on, to a hypothetical that Usmanov wouldn’t have been allowed to implement.

  117. silentstan

    whatever logic or arguement you present is undone by;-
    “” but let me tell you Arsene, I’ve managed a Sunday League team for two very successful years, with zero transfer budget. I have all the rights to question you.””
    how fucking arrogant and deluded are you! comparing yourself to managers in the prem . brilliant, just brilliant, comedy
    and as for somebody ‘high level’ referring to a shit sandwich….

  118. Keyser

    Of course it sums it up, you’re ranting, after 11 years our wagebill finally gets anywhere close to Chelseas, it’s still miles off United or Citeh, and now it’s vindincation.

    11 years and only because Chelsea have sent half their club on loan and they’ve spent 3-4, even 5 years thinking about how they’re supposedly going to comply with FFP.

    What am I supposed to do here ? Just resort to the same childish tit-4-tat rubbish that you are ? Citeh have 2 points in their Champions League group, Liverpool were resting players for Premiership games. Chelsea drew with Maribor.

    Like football isn’t mental and it’s confined to us.

  119. Mark

    Nigel Winterburn on Sky Sports News:

    “Too often when we see Arsenal struggle, particularly when the opposition break quickly on them from midfield and they can’t close them down and win the ball back, we see both full-backs chasing backwards,” Winterburn told Sky Sports News HQ.

    “I would love to see us defend how we did it under George Graham, where one of the full-backs sits back in there, so you’ve got two centre-halves and a full-back facing the play as you’re being quickly counter-attacked. I think if Arsenal looked at the way we defended under Graham it would help them immensely.

  120. TitsMcgee

    Marco Reus set to turn down Arsenal because her wants to win trophies – meanwhile we are circling ex Chippenham united defender Mings… Mings – sort of sums up the current state of affairs doesn’t it?”

    Could you blame him?

    Surely Ozil is in his ear or has heard from Ozil what goes on here.

  121. salparadisenyc

    “I was actually disgusted with how Wenger left Chambers out to dry against Swansea.”

    Finally caught the game last night and this was one of my main thoughts. Having been keyed into Chambers performance prior to watching, pretty incredible watching Wenger as it unfolded. His lack of flexibility is certainly going to be the fatal blow, (typed with a smile as this dude seems to be made of 4th place kevlar.)
    The same starting XI three games on the trot with little tactical change and a single sub, Sanogo? A pacey Bellerin and rested Rosicky should of come on for a struggling Chambers and knackered Caz. Once we went down a goal, why not Walcott? I’ll never understand the decision making of Sanogo over Poldi, that said I’ll never understand Arsene in recent years.

  122. Romford Pele

    Yeah but i’m ranting for a reason. Lol we have a similar wagebill to Bayern FFS and they have arguably the best squad in football.

    I’ve never said that other teams don’t have their own issues, but why should I care about them? Let’s get our house in order first and then see. If we had properly signed what we should have and were still struggling, then I’d be willing to hold my hands a bit more. But we’ve been crying out for certain positions for years – if the manager choose not to strengthen it then of course he’s going to come in for abuse.

  123. S Asoa

    Okay so at last things are clear
    Out of ” parental respect ” for several years no one attacked Wengey . Now he has no respect left , except from a handful of AKB ‘s barking at the moon. Just ignore the fellow imbecile of the Great a Imbecile.
    Kroenke has affection only for his Money. A pogrom has to be set out to systematically avoid and disrespect the Sponsors until they start pulling out. When share prices drop, so will Kroenke drop off like a dehydrated Tick and sell his shares and go to Timbuktoo. Good Riddance!

  124. Romford Pele

    “I would love to see us defend how we did it under George Graham, where one of the full-backs sits back in there, so you’ve got two centre-halves and a full-back facing the play as you’re being quickly counter-attacked. I think if Arsenal looked at the way we defended under Graham it would help them immensely.”

    Lol nah that’s too mainstream. Let’s attack with eight players then get our midfield parted like the Red Sea.