Half striker the way forward?

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Jenko has a new house.

Jenko has a new house.

Jeez, there’s simply no consistent message at LG Towers, Geoff chimed in with his two pennies on Cesc.

Well I would have him back in a heartbeat. Why?

We always have half our midfield injured, that won’t change, ever under Wenger.

Fans and players would be massively lifted.

We would have the best first and second choice midfield since that great Barca team.

At least three of our midfield could slot in as defensive midfield, Cesc being one of them.

We’ll get him cheaper than ManU would and I would hate seeing him go there.

Add to that a winger like Draxler or Sanchez, a DM like Martinez and a right back like Coleman and we would clean up.

He won’t buy a Reus when he can get a cheap Remy.

He should get Griezman and offer to diss the Vela clause if they sell him cheaper.

Keeper I’m not fussed as they will only ever get Carling Cup/Fa Cup matches and anyone who signs as a number two won’t have much ambition anyway.

He won’t replace Chezzer and all the above he could get out of his budget.

You see, the thing with Cesc, is I’m not fussed either way. If he comes in, we’ve got a great player that we dont’ really need, if he doesn’t come in we’ll buy a great player we need. We can’t lose. Though Ballague has said that he’s been told by Arsenal that he’s not wanted now. Which is the logical move if Arsenal are keeping Cazorla, Ozil, Rosicky, Crowley, Zelalem… Diaby?

Anyway, we’re going big elsewhere. If no news has dropped on the name I’ve heard, I’ll share that next week. It’s a shame, because I’m assuming no noise means the deal is dead. But whatever, it’s a tantalising name regardless.

I’d imagine that Arsene is struggling with a big name striker. I’m expecting him to push for half strikers or to convert someone. It’ll be interesting to see if we look at Draxler or if any of the Barca wide player rumours are true.

I watched Griezman the other day for France. He scored a freekick that looked like a cross that slipped through. My concern with him is his tiny frame. We have so many small players and I’m not sure our league is suited to the height impaired in the same way La Liga is. That’s not to say small players can’t do a job, more that we have a lot of those already. I’d prefer a beast out wide over a tiny player.

We need to kick things up a gear transfer wise. People complain it’s only June, but look, we have a World Cup to contend with, we should be making things happen early. I really don’t want to be in the scrum for top players post World Cup with all the hype and all the reticence to spend more than players are worth that usually accompanies a Wenger transfer window. The thing that grates me about this whole transfer window is that Wenger is under no real pressure to purchase. He’ll not be KPI’d like a normal manager and he won’t feel the same burn to get business done. What he says goes. He won’t bow to fan or board level pressure.

Liverpool are out there making things happen already, Rodgers works to a different type of intensity. One which says, ‘I have to prove my value every second of this job’… I don’t get that from Arsene. If Wenger had to go into next season with no new signings, he wouldn’t be fussed. Bob Wilson said,

‘He works 24 hours a day’

Doing what exactly? I’d love to know. It can’t be looking at players, because he’s not exactly brimming with solutions? Tactics? Worrying about injuries? I’m not sure. Reckon our manager is cheating his times sheets.

Anyway, let’s look to the positives. We’ve been trying to make certain deals happen. I just don’t know what the plan is if those plans don’t come of. Why would I know? I wouldn’t. So I don’t know why I’m trying to be a control freak about Arsenal because I control nothing.

Wouldn’t it be great if you could work for a football club? What a great laugh that’d be.

‘Pete, what are you doing on Youtube?’

‘Scouting players boss’

‘Nice work son. Here’s a raise.’

That’d be sweet. No more cat videos for me. Real time wasting.

Also, before I go, a few people asked in the comments how I could go to wanting Cesc to not wanting him.

I don’t know why I have to explain changing my mind. But hey, I change my mind. When I first heard the rumour, I was out and about… and I was all like, ‘wow, that shit’d be whack if it happened’… then I had a think about it. I thought, well, there are a lot of holes that need to be filled before we move for a player like Cesc. Also, as someone pointed out yesterday, he’d actually cost us £45m if you take his sell on clause into account.

… and that’s the thing with blogging. I change my mind. If you don’t ever change your mind. Brilliant. If the first thought you have on something is always the last. That’s fine. I’m sure you’re super interesting and dynamic. I’ll go back and forth, which might feel inconsistent, but for me, that’s the point of blogging and conversation. You explore every angle, you take on other views and refine and evolve your opinion over time. If I didn’t do that… this would be a f*cking monotonous read every day.

Maybe it is? But if it is. Don’t tell me. It makes me well up inside and cry at my desk.

‘JohnLuvsPancakes54 just told me I was a massive spunk bucket! I can’t take it anymore’

…I’ll regularly wail at my desk.

… but just as a heads up, I don’t write posts worrying that there might be an inconsistent view point from last year.

Anyway. Have a great day. Or, maybe don’t. I’m not sure what I want for you. x

687 Responses to “Half striker the way forward?”

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  1. andy1886

    Why can’t Wenger just bid £50m for Reus? If Dortmund tell us to f*ck off fair enough, at least we’d know he’s grown some balls. Reus may have said he’s staying but if you don’t try, you’re Arsene Wenger – ooops, sorry I meant if you don’t try you don’t get 😉

  2. Keyser

    MidwestGun – Do you read what you write ?

    “Not to mention he has worked with Ozil so I doubt he would need time to “gel”. Whatever that means.”

    You wrote the above, I said ‘Less time’ you seemed to disregard time at all.

    The point was silly because people are divided about how Ozil has performed, not because he doesn’t have the talent, but because of the reasons Ozil himself listed, and likewise it’d be silly to think that Benzema wouldn’t take time to adjust aswell, his friendship/partnership with Ozil might help, but that still leaves the differences between leagues and teams.

  3. MidwestGun

    Keyser he wouldn’t need time to “gel” with Ozil. He would need time to adjust to a different League. A dfferent arguement. Again, you are changing the debate.
    Benzema would be an instant upgrade on Giroud, that’s my opinion clearly stated. You apparently think he wouldn’t.

  4. kwik fit

    jack

    I’m still hoping that Arsene is lying in wait. He remembers how mourinho fucked him over last season on transfer deadline day with Ba, how he refused to shake his hand after the 6 nil..So maybe Wenger and Cesc have planned to stitch up the Ballbag from Chelsea.

  5. Keyser

    MidwestGun – Lol, they aren’t mutually exclusive, especially when you consider Ozil has had his own problems adapting.

    You’ve got a mental block you need to get over, for example Ozil’s already had a season adapting to the premiership with Giroud as the figurehead.

    Don’t try and twist my point, is Benzema better than Giroud ? Yes, is he an instant upgrade or guaranteed of anything ? No.

    To argue otherwise is conjecture, to the point it gets silly.

  6. Marc

    Keyser

    I get the feeling that Mourinho might not be around for too long. You just get the feeling it’s all going to kick off. Perry Groves has predicted that he’ll be gone by Christmas.

  7. MidwestGun

    Not worried about Cesc going to Chelscum even tho should it happen I would be physically ill. But Cesc would have to be the biggest sell out ever to agree terms with Mourinho (fuck off).

  8. Keyser

    Kwikfit – I think it might hurt later on, but right now it’s funny, it’s going to be funny how people twist it to make us out as the bad guys, when you consider the amount of shit we had to go through when Fabregas wanted to leave.

    Probably tried to wave it off at the time, but Poyul and Reina putting a Barca shirt over him when they were celebrating a Spanish victory was proper annoying.

  9. gambon

    Jack

    So here we go again

    Where are these 8 goals coming from?

    He can’t play any more games cos he plays every fucking minute of every game.

    So where is this improvement coming from?

    Will he score against top 4 teams? Very unlikely as he seems to be allergic.

    Will he score against top 7 teams? Again unlikely as he has 3 in 24 games

    Will he start running in behind? Don’t bother answering that.

    Will he improve his finishing? What have you got to back up that there’s any chance of that?

    So how about you provide just a tiny bit of analysis and add some credit to your 100% blind faith based theories.

  10. nigel tufnel

    Gambon,
    U talk sense about alot of things, but why is it that you cant find any love, appreciation, hope for our players.

    You’re great at throwing out suggestions for acquisitions, but once they play for us, you only have negatives to say.
    Why cant you give some love to our boys?

  11. Keyser

    Lol I’m getting sucked into this now, normally you’d bat it away, but it seems anything’s possible these days.

  12. kwik fit

    Arsenal are officially sponsored by Puma as of July 1st. Who is a Puma athlete? Fabregas. Coincidence? I think not.

  13. MidwestGun

    Keyser –
    Well, then there in lies the problem. I will always say Benzema is an instant upgrade to Giroud. You don’t agree apparently. Whether that’s silly or not is for others to decide. I listed 3 references as to why Benzema would be an instant upgrade.

  14. kwik fit

    Keyser

    I agree that Cesc was sly when he left but the thought of him in a Chelsea shirt just makes my blood boil.

    Fuck of Mourinho!!!

  15. Mayank

    ” Perry Groves has predicted that he’ll be gone by Christmas.”

    Mourinho’s not going to try and play pretty football like he did last season. Expect a much tighter Chelsea side next season.

    Roman himself cannot afford to sack Mourinho again. The bad press and the investment a new manager would require isn’t worth the hassle. Especially since Mourinho’s teams don’t capitulate. At worst they under-perform sporadically.

  16. Keyser

    Marc – Where did young Perry say that ? did he give any reasons ? I can’t see them getting rid of Mourinho, Costa if he translates any of his form over has to be a far better fit than any of the strikers he has now, and even Mourinho could adapt his team to get the best out of him.

    The only reason I can think of is that Mourinho has far less control nowadays and they’re working on a long term plan that doesn’t rely on any specific manager.

  17. gambon

    Nigel tufnel

    What love do you want me to give?

    We have some good players,

    I’ve said many times we need 4 first team players, 2 of whom are absolute world class, to compete for the PL and maybe a few more worldies to win the CL.

    But I’m not gonna pretend we have an exceptional team right now cos we don’t.

  18. Marc

    Mayank

    Roman is worth about £8 billion he can afford to sack him and he wants pretty football. If that was Mourinho playing attractive football I’d hate to see him go dark!

    Not sure Groves is right on the timing but I will guarantee it will all end in tears in the next 2-3 years.

  19. Keyser

    MidwestGun – Lahm ?

    Mate Ozil’s own words on why he’s struggled. You have no guarantees of anything and your references were vague. Do you even understand what part I’m disagreeing with ?!

  20. Dan Ahern

    kwik fit June 3, 2014 18:03:50

    Arsenal are officially sponsored by Puma as of July 1st. Who is a Puma athlete? Fabregas. Coincidence? I think not.

    —–

    If they make him do the different-colour-boot-on-each-foot gimmick I’m joining the “We don’t need him!” camp.

  21. Marc

    Keyser

    He’s on the Colin Murry show twice a week. They were running over different people’s predictions for last season a couple of weeks ago and Groves had predicted at the start of the season ManU would finish outside the top 4 & Moyes would get the sack, he also predicted that Sunderland would stay up back in November so they asked him for a prediction for next season and that was it.

  22. gambon

    Chelsea played better football than us last season.

    Don’t let a game at anfield. And one on the CL fool you.

    They created the most chances in the PL, they just had terrible strikers.

    If they sort that out they’ll be favourites.

    Costa and Lukaku with their team from last season is something special

  23. Keyser

    Marc – Lol, Ok cool, is that on Talksport ? I still wouldn’t put money on it, even if he did get the others right.

  24. Wallace

    “I actually think Giroud’s goals per minutes would improve if he was rotated and kept fresher.”

    exactly! i can’t remember the game but he came on as a sub after 70mins and scored twice. he was fresh and looked very dangerous. if he’d had some help after christmas he’d easily have scored 20-25.

  25. Keyser

    To be fair to Benzema, I’d have taken him on his form for Lyon, he had potential then and was feeding off of scraps leading the line, I just don’t think Real Madrid have utilised him aswell as they could’ve, a lot like Ozil.

  26. Jack

    Gambon

    Giroud scored 17 goals in his first season. Now he has scored 22. He is improving. All you said is true but Giroud will work on his weaknesses and improve because he wants to win the Ballon Dor.

    “What has always made me succeed is the fact I set sensible objectives,” he told France Football. “I grew that way, step by step. Before thinking about Ballon d’Or, before being part of the top 10 players in the world, I first have to be in top 10 forwards in England. “I am starting to make a name for myself among that top 10 and I want to do it this year. That is a short-term objective. “Talking about that two years ago, I would have said it was not sensible. Now I am aware I have the right potential to make it.”

  27. MidwestGun

    Way off topic but,
    Sharapova tall blonde, sexy and leggy. Likes to scream when she hits the fuzzy balls. My kind of girl.. 😀

    Keyser – yes, you don’t agree Benzema would have instant chemistry and would make an immediate upgrade. I disagree. But the point is only silly in that we won’t get Benzema so it doesn’t matter. Lahm matters because he has played with Ozil for a long time and knows what style and type of players he succeeds with.

  28. Marc

    Does anyone else think that Pedro is being a cock tease with his cryptic I’ve heard we’re we’re looking to go big on a striker?

    What is going big? £35 million £40 £50. We could be in for Cavani we could be in for some unknown.

  29. Phil

    gambonJune 3, 2014 18:01:58

    Jack
    So here we go again

    Where are these 8 goals coming from?

    from the more chances created by theo who was missing the whole season almost, as well as an improved ozil, as well as benefitting from ramsey who wont miss another 3.5-4 mos. plus giroud will bet better after two years already training with us.

    He can’t play any more games cos he plays every fucking minute of every game.So where is this improvement coming from?

    all players improve at arsenal.

    Will he score against top 4 teams? Very unlikely as he seems to be allergic.

    you say unlikely. and lets not isolate giroud. the whole team seems allergic against top4 teams…

    Will he score against top 7 teams? Again unlikely as he has 3 in 24 games

    its ok, if you havent realised we are not a team that solely relies on its strikers for goals.

    Will he start running in behind? Don’t bother answering that.

    thats a stupid question…..just like “can tevez play with back on goal?”. different type of strikers, different attributes. you are asking a targetman to do the job of a theo/kun

    Will he improve his finishing? What have you got to back up that there’s any chance of that?

    the fact he trains under wenger at arsenal with specialists like boro primorac. a team of specialists who have created weah henry to name a few and improved countless others….in this club adebayor reached 30 goals with the worst finishing ive ever seen in football.

    So how about you provide just a tiny bit of analysis and add some credit to your 100% blind faith based theories.

    and how about you add some sugar to your vinegar and stop annoying us with your 100% negativity 🙂

  30. Sam

    You guys act as if you don’t know wenger If needed a new CM he already signed diaby I don’t see him forking out 30mil for Cesc

  31. andy1886

    Jack, why is it I think your post on Giroud and the Ballon d’Or will generate a lot of adverse comments?

  32. MadeToLoveMagic

    i have to respect giroud, he is so honest about the fact that he knows he has limitations as a player, they are the type that learn, now he at arsenal he is doing that

    its not girouds fault he is our only striker

  33. MidwestGun

    Ok, Hunter13, eyemsick is here with his gambon obssession. So got to run. Not up for deciphering that today.

    Andy- lol. Ballon D’ Or. Delusional much?

    Marc- fuzzy balls aren’t normal? …… hmmm maybe should see a Dr. Lol.

  34. Revving Kevin

    gambon
    “Henry at his best was in the same bracket as Suarez or a fit aguero, so i reckon youre looking at £70m to buy today.”

    Hilarious Owls. Henry would have been every penny of £100m. If Real Madrid were prepared to buy him it would have been more. How much did they pay fur Bale? Henry was pure class. You often see Man Utd fans putting him down, which proves how much he fucking irritated them.

  35. WengerEagle

    ‘I think you will find Silva, Reus and Max Kruse all outperformed Ozil for chances created.’

    Lol Max Kruse hasn’t outperformed Ozil, he’s been on par with him this season creatively to be kind. Silva and Reus both play in better teams which are far more dynamic going forward then we are.

    Reus has Lewandowski, Mkhitaryan, Aubameyang to pass to while Ozil has Giroud, Sanogo and Podolski.

    Silva is surrounded by world class players. And still they both haven’t outperformed Ozil this season from a creative perspective.

    If Ozil had Lewandowski in front of him and Reus had Giroud who do you think would have assisted more? Honestly.

    Also Ozil’s adapting to a new league, every player there you compared him to have played in their respective leagues for years.

    Not to mention that Ozil topped every creative stat for 5 years ffs. Consistency is hugely important to determine whether a player is the real deal or a flash in the pan.

    Costa scored more goals this season then Lewandowski and Cavani. Would you say he is a better striker than these two proven world class strikers?

    Does consistency in performance mean nothing to you?

    ‘So you will be comfortable admitting he’s no longer the best playmaker in the world then?’

    Sure, just like Messi is no longer the best player in the world because Ronaldo outscored him this season.

    See how ridiculous that argument is?

  36. Mayank

    lol Gambon so a team that creates the most chances is playing the better football but the CAM that scores and assists the most isn’t the better player.

    Chelsea created more chances because the play on the counter and the first half of their campaign where they were actually playing good football and not winning. Then Mourinho came out and said they’ll focus on defence since their strikers suck. That’s when they started climbing up the table.

    The part of the season Chelsea were playing good football they were conceding a lot. They were like the much maligned Arsenal sides of the last 9 years.

  37. WengerEagle

    ‘Its okay to see the footballing wall from an Arsenal tinted view point. I understand that.

    Ozil is 100% world class, no doubt but he’s not the best no 10 in Europe.I wont be surprised if Germany opts for Goetze in the number 10 role in Brazil.’

    Stats are objective mate and that’s what I’m using in my argument RE Ozil. No Arsenal tinted bullshit, facts.

    You’re insane if you think Ozil won’t start for Germany in the WC. He was their best player in the qualifiers and is a guaranteed starter under Loew.

  38. Phil

    andy1886June 3, 2014 18:31:16

    you have to want it yourself also…dont you think?

    the conditions are there….whoever wants and has the attitude/appetite and will ..its all there for him. not arsenal’s fault arshavin came for tourism and to launch his fashion label and play a bit of football at his own pace/convenience.

  39. Revving Kevin

    Dear Keyser
    You have my admiration my friend. Despite getting ganged up on you stand your ground, far play. I agree with a lot if what you say. I like. Benzema and Remy but no guarantee they will hit the floor running like Some suggest.. Anelka came to England as an unknown and ripped it up but most take a season to adjust . Giroud is open season, it’s gang culture and lazy to pick on someone but it happens a lot. He did well for us leading the line without runners and much support. Agree with you. Respect. But we do need to add a top finisher to our side.

    Also, I am Cesc in. Only a clown wouldn’t want to sign him and then complain about squad depth! And there are some large shoes and red noses, shame the humours missing! Lool

  40. Revving Kevin

    Dear andy1886
    When is it ever a players fault? These pampered posers are responsible fir the way they behave in and off the pitch. Who’s fault is it that Torres turned shit? Let’s blame all his managers, who were they? . 🙂

  41. Revving Kevin

    Grow up Mudwest 🙂

    Your construction firm must be crap, you are constantly on here mate. How come you turned down the chance from Sal and Dan to go to the arsenal game in yr own country, especially as it’s the first tine we’ve been to states in 25 years,. You said you were too busy!!!!! Well take yr phone and post from the ground while admiring the team you’ve never seen live and the great TH14.

    Oh, Quite a few of you including your leader Pedro who bitched daily about squad depth and not rotating, then when rumours about Cesc came around you turned into hypocrites. Quite weird don’t you think?

  42. andy1886

    Eagle, I generally agree with you but I wouldn’t have put:

    “Sure, just like Messi is no longer the best player in the world because Ronaldo outscored him this season.
    See how ridiculous that argument is?”

    When Ronaldo had just won the Ballon d’Or 😉

    Even if you think that it was a travesty.

  43. The Poldi Prince

    The grass is always greener eh?

    The only thing wrong with ozil this past season was the donkeys he had to play with.

    Probably coupled with being overplayed (resulting in his first serious soft tissue injury of his career).

    Its madness to think people cant see the use in getting cesc.

  44. andy1886

    Kevin, ultimately the manager takes the fall, at least at the majority of clubs, if his signings don’t come off. Seems fair, he buys them, selects them, trains them, if he buys a dud it’s down to his judgement. It’s a risky job, but the rewards are obscenely high. Now imagine you could get those high rewards without the risk? Cushty.

  45. MidwestGun

    Rev Kev-
    AW complains about squad depth and doesn’t want to sign Cesc. So by your definition a clown. Why should I grow up?

    Nice personal attack. I work for myself and have time to check comments on my tablet. Also, I’m at a 5 hour time difference. So its not my work time when I’m on here a lot. As far as the red bull thing. I don’t exactly live next door to NYC and it’s expensive. I also have a previous commitment to build a house in Texas. I need to be there. Who needs to grow up preacher Rev?

  46. Bamford13

    Jack

    “Giroud scored 17 goals in his first season. Now he has scored 22. He is improving. All you said is true but Giroud will work on his weaknesses and improve because he wants to win the Ballon Dor.”

    Giroud win the Ballon D’ Or?

    You have to be fucking me.

    No offense, Jack, but unless you’re just playing around, you don’t know fuck-all about football. Seriously.

    Giroud does a couple of things decently, but he has huge limitations, mate. He’s slow, clumsy, can’t dribble and can’t score from farther than 8 yards out. He’s 28 in September as well, so there’s no “improving” from here.

    Frankly, it’s impressive that someone of his limited athleticism has made it as far as he has. But he’s not winning the Ballon D’Or — not unless the best 100 players in the world all die in some freak accident.

    I swear to God some Arsenal fans …

  47. Phil

    andy1886 are you suggesting that wenger’s role/job does not involve risks?

    you know many managers who had the guts to compete in the premiership and champions league with a team of unknown and unproven youngsters? against squads assembled with millions? if you do, please list names…

    if you dont see that as a risk, then please define what constitutes risk in your eyes?

  48. Bamford13

    I second, third and fourth whomever above is saying Dortmund are better.

    Dortmund are better. No question.

  49. Keyser

    Revvin Kevin – Come on dude, no need for the personal attacks really, guess you just need a thick skin, I don’t really see it as standing my ground, if they can argue the merits of their view then it doesn’t really matter, if they’re sitting their criticising people’s responses while offering nothing worthwhile themselves and they can’t see the contradiction then they’re not exactly worth the effort.

    There’s plenty of things to criticise Midwest for without getting personal.

  50. MidwestGun

    Preacher Kev-
    Love you implying that I’m not a true fan because I can’t go to NyC also.
    Ive seen TH14 play in Chicago MLS. Also, I have been to see Arsenal. Your moronic assumptions are pretty boring. We already know you are the world’s greatest fan. Stop trying to prove it.

  51. WengerEagle

    ‘Even if you think that it was a travesty.’

    Na mate CR7 deserved the Ballon D’or 100%, I wouldn’t deny him that.

    Just using it as an example as he’s been better than Messi in the last year but Messi is still the better player.

  52. andy1886

    “you know many managers who had the guts to compete in the premiership and champions league with a team of unknown and unproven youngsters? against squads assembled with millions? if you do, please list names…”

    Nope, that would be fucking stupid – unless you were unsackable…….

  53. Bamford13

    Poldi

    You seem (possibly) like a reasonable guy. You like the idea of signing Cesc, I see. Can I ask you: do you see both Cesc and Ozil in the starting XI? If so, how so? Do you think this is the best use of either of their skill sets? Do you think this is the best use of our 30m?

    I don’t see it. And I really like Cesc.

  54. Keyser

    andy1886 – Arshavin went from the Russia and the Europa League to scoring 4 at Anfield and the winner against Barcelona at the Emirates, you don’t think he improved ? In the end he couldn’t hack it as his legs went.

  55. afturburn

    Revving Kevin

    Also, it needs to be pointed out that the (smart) majority of fans aren’t really complaining about squad depth, we’re complaining about the quality of players.

    Before you get up in arms again about the quality of Cesc, I think we should sign him if available. But it’s understandable, the argument against adding depth/quality to our deepest and most talented area.

  56. Phil

    why call it stupid andy? what does being “unsackable” got to do with it?

    what if its forced? due to other financial priorities? what if its the policy the club has chosen? what if its a necessary phase the club has to go through till it recovers..

    what gives you the right to dismiss it as stupid when you havent figured out why it happened?

  57. Revving Kevin

    Andy1886
    You can’t blame a manager when a player fails to perform! The manager doesn’t miss 6 yard sitters or drop catches. I cited Torres as just one example, this is a £50 million player that despite having good managers has been playing crap for several different managers.

    It’s a ridiculous argument to just blame a manager when a player plays poor or loses form. It’s just convenient fur an agenda.

  58. Phil

    Can I ask you: do you see both Cesc and Ozil in the starting XI? If so, how so? Do you think this is the best use of either of their skill sets? Do you think this is the best use of our 30m?

    yes i can ..cesc will take the arteta role and be our derossi/pirlo…ozil can take the left as most traditional tens do in a 433 ( zidanne, seedorf, kaka)

    its cause you know too much football bamford………

  59. andy1886

    Keyser, did you see Arshavin at Euro 2008? Looked a cup above just about everyone else. Two highlights at Anfield and against Barca I’ll grant you but no I don’t think he improved in the slightest at Arsenal.

  60. MidwestGun

    Guns-
    Lol, no. It’s Preacher Kev ‘s spell check. I don’t mind because I’m a huge Muddy Waters fan. And that’s how he got his name from Muddy Mississippi River which I live close to.

  61. The Poldi Prince

    Bam,

    Multiple reasons:

    1. Injury record probably means he could play 25+ games not with ozil
    2. We lacked good rotation options leading to ozil/ramsey injuries
    3. I dont mind playing the extra CAM on the LW or RW, where santi plays regularly. I think santi is an incredibly limited player in the EPL. I’d ship him out for 10-15mil and replace his position with cesc.
    4. Arsenal will play approx 60-70 matches in seasom 14/15. They have a CM, a moreattacking/ Itinterchangeable CM, and probably 20-30 games at rw and lw that a midfielder will play. That means we need to cover 170 games for those positions split between ozil, ramsey, rosicky, jw and santi (who I’d replace).

  62. kwik fit

    FFS I go to the loo for a well earned dump and when I return all hell has broke loose on LG! Perhaps I should go to the loo more often 😉

  63. Revving Kevin

    Of course Cesc and Ozil can play together. You are talking about top quality players. I would live to see those two in the same team. I would like to see a bit more rotation and not having to worry when players are injured Becos the bench lacks quality.

    I want to see world class players on the bench. I want players to look over their shoulders and know their places aren’t guaranteed Becos their are players if equal ability.

    This idea that you can only have one WC player for each position is flawed. We need to move on and start acting like a big club. Complaining about Ozil and Cesc being in the same squad is insane.

  64. Keyser

    andy1886 – At the Euro’s ? Mate come on, he was playing in the Russian League for Zenit and moved to the premiership, that’s an instant (MwG take note) step-up. At worst he didn’t make it in a far tougher league.

  65. kwik fit

    Keyser, did you see Arshavin at Euro 2008?

    ——————————————————

    Was he any good? Was he representing Russia? I suppose all the baltic countries gave him 12 points.

  66. andy1886

    “You can’t blame a manager when a player fails to perform!”

    Err, yes you can. So you’re Arsenal manager, you sign 3 or 4 players to take the club to the next level (whatever that is) and they turn out to be garbage. Do you:

    a) Expect a pay rise and new contract.

    b) Expect to get fired?

    Funnily enough if you look down the record books they’re littered with managers who paid with their jobs for making bad signings.

  67. The Poldi Prince

    In essence,they dont need to play together often, however two of oziil, ramsey and cesc should be in the starting eleven at all times.

    I definitely think cesc and ozil can play together when ramsey isnt in the side. Cesc is a much better and more aggressive finisher. Ozil is an amazing passer. Neither are slow. No doubt they could play together.

    We have room for all three, no doubt in my mind.

  68. Revving Kevin

    Dear Bumford13
    Mate, please don’t amuse people of not understanding football just Becos they have a different view. It’s just onions. I think Cesc and Ozil in our team would be great to see but even better knowing we are starting to do what Chelsea and Man City have done filling their squads, not just the team with quality. Not sure he will join but would love to see it. We all should.

  69. Phil

    andy1886June 3, 2014 19:27:40

    thats his own fault though…

    and those of you who were moaning at the time that wenger was playing him out of position and thus he was struggling…… his greatest season was when zenit won the uefa and advocaat played him aml….even under hiddink him and zgagoev would both play behind the striker and predominantly on the left side…..

  70. Emiratesstroller

    There have been plenty of very good strikers who are not speed merchants, but intelligent and anticipate very well when scoring. Surprisingly Giroud is quite good at completing simple goals and on Friday he scored two excellengoals for France including one from outside box and the other with head.

    He is also unselfish and was a key provider of one of goals at FA Cup Final.

    What a lot of his critics fail to give him credit for is that he was treated this season like a ‘work horse’ because of the lack of options. That was down to Wenger’s failure to bring someone in.

    I think that a lot of supporters should be grateful that he was able to keep his
    season going considering some of the tackles he received.

    Yes there may be more talented players with better goal to game ratio but very often they are injury prone and unable to play a lot of games. Both
    Van Persie and Aguero are such players. You will be lucky to get 30 league
    games out of them in most seasons.

  71. Bamford13

    Phil

    OK, so Cesc — who has been an attacking midfielder his entire career, who isn’t especially athletic and who isn’t much of a ball-winner — is going to play holding mid? I don’t see it.

    Pirlo can be Pirlo because he always has an athletic, ball-winning DM beside him or behind him. Whom do we have to play that role? No one. (No, Ramsey is not that guy.)

    I’m sorry, but I still don’t see how it works, not without playing Ozil or Cesc out of position, which for me is a bad idea.

    If Cesc were 18 years old and cost 15m, I’d say yes, but as it is, I don’t see the need. We have other much more pressing needs.

    Though maybe we don’t need a new striker now that we know Giroud may win the Ballon D’ Or next year!

    Good God.

  72. andy1886

    “why call it stupid andy? what does being “unsackable” got to do with it?”

    Surely you can work that out? No? Really? Okay, for the hard of understanding, being unsackable means you can take risks like trying to win on your own terms, using your own philosophy knowing that if it all goes tits up you wont lose your job. So you go out to prove you can win the CL/PL with youngsters or spending no money, or by finding so called rough diamonds that others miss. If you’re held responsible you don’t do that.

    “what if its forced? due to other financial priorities? what if its the policy the club has chosen? what if its a necessary phase the club has to go through till it recovers.”

    Ah, the old we’ve had no money argument – all those statements saying Wenger could spend if he wanted were actually cunning lies by our board members to hide the hideous truth and the large sums sitting in the bank only turned up last Tuesday as a gift from the money fairy.

    You’re funny.

  73. salparadisenyc

    Please tell me that Gareth Barry tweet is false.
    Arteta, Flamini and Barry?
    I need a drink.

  74. kwik fit

    Cazorla: “I have read that Cesc could go to Chelsea but I prefer he comes to Arsenal. He has given a lot to the club & he knows it well”

    Fine work agent Santi. Convince him that he would flounder under the ‘specialist in failure’ Mourinho (Fuck off)

  75. Phil

    andy1886June 3, 2014 19:33:12

    first of all..which are these transfers which came to put you at “another level”

    secondly…if the player systematically does not perform then you kick him out.

    you are talking as if wenger has something to prove to his employers…..whereas in reality they fall on their knees everynight before going to bed and praise the heavens that they have him as their football manager…..

    i find your take a bit off target…this is not some rookie (villaboas) whom you can question as to the validity of his transfer business… this is wenger and his record all these years speaks for itself.

  76. afturburn

    Cazorla: “I have read that Cesc could go to Chelsea but I prefer he comes to Arsenal. He has given a lot to the club & he knows it well”

    I guess Santi sees Cesc coming in as a DM lol. Otherwise I wouldn’t endorse someone who will probably come in and take all my playing time.

  77. Bamford13

    Kevin

    Why don’t read a little more carefully? The only person I’ve accused of knowing little about football is the clown who suggested that Giroud is aiming to win the Ballon D’ Or.

    With all due respect, anyone who takes the idea of Giroud winning the Ballon D’ Or seriously knows nothing about football.

    This isn’t a matter of opinion. This is a simple fact: Giroud is a million miles away from that caliber of player.

    As for Cesc, I’m simply asking those in favor to better explain how they think it would work. I’ve heard Gambon’s explanation. I’ve seen a few others.

    I like Cesc, but I just don’t see how you work him and Ozil into our starting XI in a way that makes sense, and I think we have far more pressing needs than an additional CAM.

    That’s it. Not saying those in favor of Cesc don’t know what they’re talking about.

    But those in favor of Giroud winning the Ballon D’ Or? God have mercy on them.

  78. kwik fit

    Mid

    It didn’t work with Sagna but it worked a treat with Ludivine and I have the scratches to prove it 😉

  79. Phil

    andy1886June 3, 2014 19:42:07

    who told you he was trying to win with them youngsters mate? all he wanted was champions league money. you think wenger is stupid to believe his younsgters could beat drogba in his prime?

    as for unsackable…well it is arsenal that chose to build a new stadium..not wenger. He showed them one way to survive the early years. If they had other plans then why didnt they follow their own ideas?

    well the money arguement does stand my friend….i dont listen to the club’s pr machine…..they can say whatever they want…its the actions of the club that showed more.

  80. andy1886

    “you are talking as if wenger has something to prove to his employers…..whereas in reality they fall on their knees everynight before going to bed and praise the heavens that they have him as their football manager…..”

    Projection – look it up and find yourself a good therapist.

  81. Phil

    bamford:
    As for Cesc, I’m simply asking those in favor to better explain how they think it would work.

    we have showed you but youre pretending you didnt see it…..

  82. Revving Kevin

    Bamford
    Sorry I mistyped your name!! I can’t disagree with you about Giroud winning the Ballon for!

    Cesc is good enough to play anywhere in that midfield, you see Rambo, Jack and Santi playing in there with Ozil.

    We are talking a top, top quality player in Cesc. I am biased, I love the bloke.

    But as I said, our ambition should be too have quality throughout the squad so we don’t fall apart whenever injury strikes. Had we had Cesc, the Rambo loss wouldn’t have been a problem. It’s a long season, you need strength in depth. And who wouldn’t want Cesc in their squad and would be happy to see him in a rivals one?

  83. Phil

    and you still havent answered the first question that prompted this discussion. the risk in competing in the epl with unknown and unproven youngsters……who else would have the balls to do that ?

  84. andy1886

    “who told you he was trying to win with them youngsters mate? all he wanted was champions league money. you think wenger is stupid to believe his younsgters could beat drogba in his prime?”

    You think that Wenger wasn’t even trying to win? A strange suggestion for someone who seems to think the sun shines out of Arsene’s arse.

    “as for unsackable…well it is arsenal that chose to build a new stadium..not wenger.”

    That’s funny, I understood from certain Arsene fans that he built the stadium with his own hands, yet when it suits it’s a case of ‘nothing to do with me guv’.

    “well the money arguement does stand my friend….i dont listen to the club’s pr machine…..they can say whatever they want…its the actions of the club that showed more.”

    Alternatively you could read the accounts they publish every year and plot the rise of the cash reserves which I understand will reach somewhere around £160m-£170m this year.

  85. london gunner

    Point 1:Cesc and ozil in ateam? will it play attractive football? yes

    Point 2: Cesc and a quality striker Will it win us trophies? no

    Point 3: Will a team with a great DM and a quality striker be more likely to win us trophies? Yes

    Point 4:In the champions league A great DM or Cesc what increases the likely hood of progression through the tournament? a great DM

    Point 5: Will signing Cesc effect our purchase of a great DM? Most likely

    Point 6: Have we not missed a DM/ Power house since gilberto and viera

    Point 7: Is ozil’s favoured and strongest position CAM? Yes

    Point8: Did Ozil not leave RM because they would not guarantee him a spot in the centre? Yes

    Point9: If RM is a bigger club than Arsenal why would Ozil settle for point 8 for us but not them?

    Point10: Do we need steel and a defensive force in midfield over another creative attacking mid?

  86. Bamford13

    Here’s my basic point on Cesc: If spending 30m on him does not preclude us from spending

    15-25m on a quality DM +
    25-35m on a class CF

    then I’m all for it. If, however, I’m deciding between the latter two and Cesc — and I can only have one or the other — I’d take the latter two.

    They are simply more pressing needs. Maybe some of you think we’re going to sign Cesc PLUS a class DM and CF, but that hasn’t been Wenger’s MO, no?

  87. MidwestGun

    Hunter13 doesn’t care what you type Andy. He doesn’t listen to your answer and will carry on incessantly. His purpose here is to somehow school us and make us miserable. He said as much on his blog. Hs doesn’t like any thing that can be seen as criticism of AW and wants to punish those that do. You can read his nonsense over there if you want.

  88. london gunner

    I used a basic bullet point list to make my point for the simple fact not one person on here who knows the slightest about football can argue with any of my points.

    I really just simplified to highlight disagreeing with me is disagreeing with common sense

  89. Phil

    andy1886June 3, 2014 19:59:30

    well my friend trying and actually being confident you will win it are two different things yeah ….you always try…..big names or no big names, money or no money…..

    you are making mistake with regards to who took the decission as a football club to build the stadium (owners) , and who assisted via his input ( financial or technical)

    you mean the same accounts that showed arsenal had to create a surplus of 25m per year ( mainly via player sales/transfers) up until the sale of the highbury flats in 2011 ? …

  90. andy1886

    As you obviously cannot be bothered to look it up Phil I’ve done it for you:

    Psychological projection is the act or technique of defending oneself against unpleasant impulses by denying their existence in oneself, while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude.

    Or another example is suggesting people worship some false God when in fact you’re the one on their hands and knees at the altar. I trust you understand now?

  91. DaleDaGooner

    Midwest, pretty piss poor that you are not going to see AFC in NYC…who are ya? And where in TX are you building a house? Can i use you to rebuild a house for me…

  92. WengerEagle

    ‘I used a basic bullet point list to make my point for the simple fact not one person on here who knows the slightest about football can argue with any of my points.’

    Lol, bit of an arrogant way of putting it.

    Not that I disagree with what you’re saying.

  93. Bamford13

    Kevin

    For the record, I really like Cesc as well. One of my favorites, if not my favorite. I just don’t know if we can afford to sign him and still fill our other needs.

    Good to know you weren’t deliberately misspelling my name. =)

  94. andy1886

    “and you still havent answered the first question ”

    Yes I did – you just didn’t like the answer. Like a small child that just keeps asking the same question until he gets the answer he’s looking for. You’re going to be disappointed…

  95. salparadisenyc

    If were a side that want to storm the Champions league and take on Bayern’s, the Madrid’s etc.

    We’d bring Cesc back sell one of our other midfielders ie Cazorla, maybe Wilshire. Cesc makes us better.

    Sign: World class striker, CDM and replace the other outs. Ideally we bring in a LW as well but im not opposed to giving Ox a run over there with Poldi for depth as hopefully we went to deep on the rest and blew the kitty.

  96. Phil

    london gunnerJune 3, 2014 20:02:13
    I used a basic bullet point list to make my point for the simple fact not one person on here who knows the slightest about football can argue with any of my points.

    Point 7: Is ozil’s favoured and strongest position CAM? Yes

    no..he does not play central for germany nor did he play central for madrid nor arsenal. ALWAYS left or right….. its where the ‘tens’ play in a 433 ( zizu at real, kaka at milan, arshavin at zenit a few examples)

  97. andy1886

    I know Mid, but I feel if I can educate him just a little bit he may be able to move on and live a balanced and well adjusted life. Or at least one a little less shit than he does right now.

  98. DaleDaGooner

    If AW werecserious he’d first be fkexjble dnough to incoperare a 442 diamond. GIROYD needs a pacy oartener (2 strikers) Özil in the top diamond, Wilshere and Ramsey in the CM positions and Cescy in the deep play making position…..this will require an alternative, pacy defender on the right, Serge Aurier and perhaps Per can be rotated out for a faster CB

  99. Bamford13

    Phil

    “we have showed you but youre pretending you didnt see it…..”

    Actually, Phil, I responded to your defense of the Cesc proposition (‘Cesc will replace Arteta … play like Pirlo’).

    It is you who have not responded to me.

  100. MidwestGun

    Dale –
    It is pretty poor actually. Lol haven’t totally ruled it out. But tickets aren’t free. Wish they would do a national tour. Gonna be in the Corpus Christi area. Im based in Illinois for the most part but I have a friend of a relative who wanted me to build there. And I figured I could work some beach time in.

  101. tunnygriffboy

    Bamford

    To be fair to Jack, it wasn’t him that said Giroud would win the Bal’on Dor, he was quoting what Giroud said. Giroud said that the long term target was for him to win the thing and that every year he sets targets to be better than before. In fairness to Giroud he came from very modest football beginnings and is now playing for France and Arsenal. I think it’s good to have ambition and fair play to him for improving year on year. It may sound ridiculous but at least he’s trying to improve. Jack shouldn’t carry the can for it though mate.

  102. andy1886

    “Wouldn’t waste your time on Phil mate, the guy’s got about 5 different personalities on here.”

    I know, you’d think that one of them would be the sane one, but no.

  103. Phil

    andy1886June 3, 2014 20:06:41

    so is it a risk then or not? …. playing in the epl with kids that cant even shave yet ?

    your simple-minded remark of it being stupid does not provide any answer as to the risk factor involved in such a feat.

  104. Phil

    your reply bamford was a sly one ….you jumped to the money issue whereas the initial comment was if they can play together which you were objecting…..