£15m on a back up keeper?

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Monday morning it’s raining it’s pouring.

… but hey, who cares. In some deserts, they literally never get rain. Their football bloggers curse the sunshine. Cray, eh?

So yesterday was the anniversary of Anfield 89. Apologies for not mentioning it. I get a bit bored of constantly referencing the past. Was it always like this? It seems like every other day we’re celebrating something that happened a lifetime ago? I mean, don’t get me wrong, I’m clearly one of the few who finds it a bit boring, not because reminiscing isn’t nice, it’s just we reminisce about everything all the time. It’s just there’s too much.

Anyway, the Arsenal social media team thrashed out the game on Twitter as it happened. Brilliant work. They dug out all the old pictures, they had a great tone of voice and they had thousands of fans partaking in the event. Would love to know how they planned that.

You know one thing that has grated me though. And lots of Arsenal Twitter people do this. Whenever there’s mention of Hillsborough, there’s always someone digging up Heysel. This is what the internet has become. One upmanship on grief. I mean, even with Hillsborough, it felt like people were competing with who could be the most devastated or who show the most respect. It’s not just football fans, though it’s definitely more prominent because of the tribal nature. Football fans will compete and snipe over anything. It’s horrible to watch. Fans forget that whatever disaster you’re pushing, people lost there lives. No life is more valuable than another. Nothing is more boring than one upmanship on something as dark as death.

In other news, papers are going transfer crazy. The Telegraph amusingly suggesting Arsenal are in for £15m rated Marshall of Cardiff. I’m sorry, but firstly, Wenger has never spent £15m on a striker, let’s not kid ourselves he’d spend that on a back up keeper. Secondly, I think we learnt with Richard Wright, don’t sign relegation fodder goalkeepers. There’s no pressure when you play for a shoddy team. You need keepers who keep clean sheets. We should push for Begovic if that’s the sort of cash we have. Not saying we won’t get Marshall, merely pointing out £15m is laughable.

… it’s always interesting to watch the stories that come out of newspapers, mainly because agents use journalists. Sometimes, you see a story, and you think, jeez, that’s mental. Well, it’s mental because it’s probably not true.

I’m quite numb to transfer stories these days. I love them, don’t get me wrong, it’s just the whole scene has been tarnished because of the dreaded pageview metric / ‘I can get my following up’ combined with football fans crack cocaine like addiction to anyone linked to their clubs. Le Grove traffic almost doubles over the summer because of transfer stories. It’s what fuels football websites. It’s probably what gives sports sites their revenue spikes as well.

That said, I think it could be a pretty big summer. If plan A comes off it’ll be major, my worry is that plan A is mega. What’s plan B? Last year we got caught up in so many plans we ended up with a soggy unfulfilled blueprint. I hope this season, we work to timelines. If X player doesn’t join by X time, we move on type thing. Otherwise we’ll end up with egg on our face again.

P.S. What has Ashley Williams been up to with hardcore gambler Michael Chopra?

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  1. Arsene's Nurse

    Aaron Ramsey’s 2013/14 season – crazy stats.

    Below is the number of injuries and the date the injury was reported.

    Hip/Thigh Injury ———–2014 April 28th
    Thigh Muscle Strain——-2013 December 26th
    Hamstring Injury———–2013 November 13th
    Hip/Thigh Injury ———–2013 October 6th
    Hip/Thigh Injury ———–2013 September 22nd
    Groin/Pelvis Injury ——–2013 August 27th
    Ankle/Foot Injury———-2013 August 17th
    Ankle/Foot Injury———-2013 August 10th

    As you can see Ramsey has already got an ankle/foot injury and misses the first game of the season.

    Below are all the games Ramsey was eligible to play in for Arsenal and Wales. It gives the date and the number of minutes Ramsey played in each game plus notes, especially injuries.

    14 Aug—R of Ireland—0 (Wales International)
    17 Aug—Aston V———0
    21 Aug—Fenebache—-90
    24 Aug—Fulham——-90
    27 Aug—Fenebache—90 (Groin/Pelvis injury)
    1 Sep—Spurs————90
    6 Sep—Macedonia—-90 (Wales International)
    10 Sep—Serbia———-90 (Wales International)
    14 Sep—Sunderland—90
    18 Sep—Marseille——90
    22 Sep—Stoke———–90 (hip/thigh injury)
    25 Sep—West Brom—-0
    28 Sep—Swansea——-90
    1 Oct—Napoli———–88
    6 Oct—West Brom—-59 (hip/thigh injury)
    11 Oct—Macedonia—-90 (Wales International)
    15 Oct—Belgium——-90 (Wales International)
    19 Oct—Norwich——-53 (on for Flamini)
    22 Oct—Brus Dort—–88
    26 Oct—Crystal Pal—90
    29 Oct—Chelsea——-81
    2 Nov—Liverpool—–90
    6 Nov—Bruss Dort—90
    10 Nov—Man Utd—–90 (Hamstring injury)
    16 Nov—Finland——–0 (Wales International)
    23 Nov—South’ton—-90
    26 Nov—Marseille—-90
    30 Nov—Cardiff——-90
    4 Dec—Hull———–80
    8 Dec—Everton——-68
    11 Dec—Napoli———22 (on for Cazorla)
    14 Dec—Man City—–90
    23 Dec—Chelsea——90
    26 Dec—West Ham–65 (Thigh Muscle strain)
    29 Dec—Newcastle—-0
    1 Jan—Cardiff———–0
    4 Jan—Spurs————0
    13 Jan—Aston V———0
    18 Jan—Fulham———0
    24 Jan—Coventry——0
    28 Jan—South’ton——0
    2 Feb—Crystal Pal—–0
    8 Feb—Liverpool——0
    12 Feb—Man Utd——-0
    16 Feb—Liverpool——0
    19 Feb—Bayern———0
    22 Feb—Sunderland—0
    1 Mar—Stoke City—–0
    5 Mar—Iceland———0 (Wales International)
    8 Mar—Everton——–0
    11 Mar—Bayern———0
    16 Mar—Spurs———-0
    22 Mar—Chelsea——-0
    25 MAr—Swansea——0
    29 Mar—Man City—–0
    6 Apr—Everton——–24 (on for Flamini)
    12 Apr—Wigan Ath—113
    15 Apr—West Ham—-18 (on for Rosicky)
    20 Apr—Hull City—–90 (Hip/Thigh injury)
    28 Apr—Newcastle—-0
    4 May—West Brom–0
    11 May—Norwich——63 mins
    17 May—Hull City—-120 mins

    (I hope that comes out OK – with no preview button it’s impossible to do any proper table formatting coz you don’t know what it’s gonna look like).

    Of the 30 games Ramsey played in before his major injury on the 26 Dec, he played a full 90 mins in 21 of them. 4 of them Welsh internationals.

    In the other 9 games he played 80+ mins 4 times. (so in effect 25/30). Out of the 2700 minutes he was available to play in those 30 games he played 2494 of them. That is a staggering 92.4%

    He missed 4 games due to injury (2 of which were internationals).

    Ramsey played every minute of 9 games in a row between 21 Aug and 23 Sep. That’s 9 games in 33 days or 1 game ever 3.66 days.

    I think these figures indicate that Ramsey was playing with a minor injury that gradually got worse as the season progressed. He’s clearly been over-played and not been rested enough to fully recover.

    What do you think?

  2. london gunner

    Wenger Eagle

    Yaya Toure is incredible he almost single handedly won the PL title this season…. he scored over 20 from midfield.

    You say he hasn’t dominated European teams… but Man City as a whole aren’t good in europe also this has been a period bar Chelsea where English teams have not done well in Europe its broader than Yaya you can’t really pin City’s failings in europe on him its more down to mismanagement and the reckless tactics they employ.

    I would say put Yaya in Chelsea with a manager like Jose or in Bayern and Yaya would be top 3 players in the CL.

    It’s like saying Javi Martinez was one of the players of the champions league last year but if you put him in City or Arsenal he wouldn’t of been.. We often would of said Martinez bossed that game but you have to look at the framework of how/why he was able to often its more than his own individual talent but the fact he was surrounded by quality that added to his game. Of course City have crazy quality in there squad but its interesting to see that David Silva and Aguero aren’t at their best in europe as well as Yaya meaning the necessary framework isn’t in place for a player to excel.

    We can talk about how WC Ronaldo is but we also have to mention the framework at RM is completely tailored towards him and he isn’t even bossing CL games.

    In the top games in the biggest competition in the world players performance are more reflective of a very good well drilled tactics and strategies and team work than individual moments of brilliance.

    Case point RM type of win over AM and AM getting to the final.

    Case point Chelsea winning CL… these aren’t moments of world class brilliance.
    I mean RM won through a corner, a scrappy goal and a penalty not a player bossing the match. Though Di Maria was great I don’t think he completely bossed the match if he had the score would not of been so close in regular time.

    Long winded way of saying Yaya is WC

  3. WengerEagle

    Bamford

    I actually wasn’t advocating sign Sanchez and play him up front, I’d play him on the left. Was saying the other day if he could combine the inventiveness and dribbling ability he showcased at Udinese with the efficiency he developed in his game at Barca we’d have a world beater on our hands.

    RE Mandzukic I just don’t rate him, I actually would take Dzeko over him for the following reasons:

    1) He’s a Premiership proven goalscorer.
    2) Mobility-wise they are virtually the same and I think Dzeko’s a better finisher.
    3) Dzeko has a lovely habit of scoring crucial goals when his team need it most and scores for fun away from home where we badly struggle to score freely.
    4) He actually had a far better goalscoring record than Mandzukic in the Bundesliga for an inferior team who didn’t create as many chances as Bayern do.
    5) His goals to minutes ratio blows Mandzukic’s out of the water.

    I don’t even particularly like Dzeko but he’s a better striker than Mandzukic.

    City wouldn’t sell him either, Pellegrini loves him and he’s a very handy player to have for the aforementioned reasons.

  4. salparadisenyc

    Its official Levy’s next victim.

    Mauricio Pochettino appointed new head coach of that shit house up the street.

  5. Bamford13

    bigper

    With all due respect to our existing personnel:

    Cabella > Walcott
    Mandzukic > Giroud
    Vela > Oxlade

    Cabella literally dribbled circles around our players in the CL. He is pacy, clever and creative — AND he can score. Walcott, on the other hand, cannot dribble at all and is utterly devoid of creativity or intelligence. He has pace and a shot and that is all. Cabella would give us more than Walcott, I think.

    Mandzukic is three times the athlete Giroud is. Stronger, faster, more coordinated. He’s a better striker as well — i.e., he can actually score from outside of 8 yards.

    Lastly, I like Ox, but I think I’d still take Vela over him. Vela is a bit more mature, more creative and makes better decisions. Even if you like Ox over Vela, Vela would be great option at 4m.

    Finally, for all those saying we need better than the likes of a Vela or a Mandzukic, I agree, but we must be reasonable about how much money we are actually going to spend this summer and consider the fact that we don’t need just one additional quality player to compete, we need three or four quality players.

    And if I had to choose between Cavani and a couple of Kallstroms (Arsene Scenario #1) and Vela, Cabella, Mandzukic, Schneiderlin and Aurier (Arsene Scenario #2) I’d choose #2, I think, because it’s going to take more than just one world class striker to make us a top class side.

  6. Bamford13

    WE

    That means that your 50m spend leaves Giroud as our starting CF, yes? Except that’s unacceptable, so clearly you’d be better off running Sanchez as your CF and OX out left.

    As for Dzeko over Mandzukic, I think I agree, but I believe Dzeko would be at least twice as expensive if not more, no?

    My point is we need to be discussing all of these options within some kind of budgetary scheme, because we’re only going to spend so much. (Sadly, probably not very much.)

  7. london gunner

    Guys why are people saying Sanchez as CF?

    Dude is 5 foot 6 as short as Santi

    I am not one of those people who think you need a big man/oaf up front but 5’6 not particularly stocky in Premier League….

    Its a massive risk if your looking for a CF

  8. Hitman

    Jose mocks AFC. Not a big deal really.

    Its what we deserve and should expect until we decide to behave like a big club.

  9. salparadisenyc

    Bamford

    Not to jump in here but why not.. I may be begging for Cabella and Mandzukic come late August. As for today i’d rather watch the paint dry on my new desk and hope for the type of quality that wins titles, not maintains the 4th place status quo.

    As for Carlos Vela, you’ll never catch me begging for his return.

  10. WengerEagle

    ‘Yaya Toure is incredible he almost single handedly won the PL title this season…. he scored over 20 from midfield.’

    What about Sergio Aguero’s, David Silva’s, Nasri’s, Edin Dzeko’s, Fernandinho’s, Zabaleta’s contributions? He didn’t single-handedly win them the title mate that’s just not true. He was anonymous in the two matches v Chelsea and at Anfield when City needed huge performances out of him. If anything in the last few matches of the season Dzeko won them the title.

    ‘but Man City as a whole aren’t good in europe ‘

    Disagree, Aguero, Negredo, Silva, Kolorov and Zabaleta were all excellent in the UCL this season. Yaya was poor, didn’t stamp his authority on any of the big matches that City played.

    ‘I would say put Yaya in Chelsea with a manager like Jose or in Bayern and Yaya would be top 3 players in the CL.’

    You can’t really say that with any real confidence though because you don’t know if that would be the case. And he actually has a good time of it under Pellegrini because he has little to no defensive responsibility as he’s poor defensively.

    ‘David Silva and Aguero aren’t at their best in europe as well as Yaya meaning the necessary framework isn’t in place for a player to excel.’

    Silva was very good this season in Europe, he actually played very well against Barca. Framework? Mate did you not ever stop and think that maybe he doesn’t play well in Europe is because he is overrated? I mean Pep let him go to Barca no problem when a 21 year old Busquets came along so that surely has to tell you something.

    ‘We can talk about how WC Ronaldo is but we also have to mention the framework at RM is completely tailored towards him and he isn’t even bossing CL games.’

    First of all he absolutely is bossing games, 17 UCL goals this season! He had a terrible match in the UCL final, true, but to say he’s not bossing games is a bit ridiculous.

    Secondly, in what way are City not tailored for Yaya to play? He has a dream partner in Fernandinho who does all of the dogged defensive work and allows him to play a more advanced midfield role without defensive responsibilities.

    I’m not saying for a minute that Yaya ain’t world class because he is, just don’t rate him as highly as everyone else and the media seem to. He disappears in the really big matches IMO.

    Vidal scores virtually as much goals and creates as much as Yaya but he also has absolutely monstrous defensive stats which IMO makes him the better and certainly the more complete player.

    He also was excellent for Juventus in the UCL this season, dominated against Real Madrid.

  11. Bamford13

    london

    At moment I am the only one talking about Sanchez as a CF, but that’s because:
    – he often plays CF at Barca
    – both Sturridge and Suarez show that little pacy types can play centrally
    – no way Giroud is our starting CF next season if we want to compete

  12. london gunner

    banford

    Walcott has a crazy amount of assists so his obviously got some creativity.

    As for intelligence? How does he not have intelligence he makes great runs and always seems aware of his team mates hence why his assists so many goals…

    Dribbling you are correct but he was actually impoving somewhat in this area last season see his goal against Newcastle and his ball control this season see his goal against City for examples.

    His one of the most clinical wingers in europe and is a real weapon that forces other teams to not press up high on us, also whenever he is on he creates chaos among the opposition defence he drags fullbacks and Cbs out of position with his runs

    I don’t think this is the time to start slating one of our best players tbh

  13. WengerEagle

    ‘That means that your 50m spend leaves Giroud as our starting CF, yes Except that’s unacceptable, so clearly you’d be better off running Sanchez as your CF and OX out left.’

    Well in a sane world considering we have at least twice as much as £50 million in the bank I would just go out and buy a world class ST with the remaining money. But if we’re talking of what Wenger would do then yeah, that would work for me.

  14. Hitman

    Pedro – There is no plan A, let alone a plan B.

    The only plan is to go away on holiday & ‘come back in August’
    Ivan’s words not mine.
    We will do our basement bargain and last minute trolly dash for what is available ( after we have last one of our opening games).

    Other than that, there is no plan. There never is.

    Why do you think there is this time round?
    Your sources haven’t been on the money or ITK on transfers over the last few seasons. Just an observation, not criticism.

  15. Bamford13

    salparadise

    “the type of quality that wins titles, not maintains the 4th place status quo.”

    Yes, I know, but some of you are talking as though Wenger is going to sign three 25m+ players. He is not. Or at least I think it’s highly, highly unlikely.

    More likely is one 25m+ player and a bunch of cheapies, which will not win us a title. We are not one class player away. We are three or four class players away.

    That’s why I’m trying to find a solution that gets us four or five quality players for a total of 50m.

    As for comparing Cabella and Vela to “paint drying,” you clearly haven’t watched these two recently. Both are exciting and dynamic players.

  16. london gunner

    Bamford

    Little pacey types?

    Sturridge is 6 foot maybe even 6’1 lol his also not slight of frame his very muscular

    Suarez is 5 foot 11-10 his got some stockiness either way both are miles taller than Sanchez

    Sanchez can play as a CF “in the spanish league” yes the spanish league which is far less physical

    No offence mate but they were some of the worst examples you could of used sorry if that sounds rude because I am baffled not trying to be rude.

  17. Jeff

    “One FA cup in 9 years; that’s nice for them”; how condescending! But of course, as much as a lot of fans we want to hide behind those nine years and pretend it didn’t happen; it is a very big black mark against our name and until or unless we win something substantial in the next couple of seasons, people will mock.

  18. Bamford13

    london

    “I don’t think this is the time to start slating one of our best players tbh”

    I have been slating him for years, so I feel comfortable continuing to do so now. 😉

    Actually, I’m happy to admit that his finishing has really come along and he’s become quite a productive player, but that doesn’t make him a great player.

    As for assists equaling creativity, no, not quite. Anyone can play a ball across the face of the goal, which is how Walcott gets his assists. A creative player, like a Cabella, beats players off the dribble or makes passes that other players wouldn’t see.

    Again, Walcott is good at what he does, but he’s not creative and he makes a lot of bad decisions. Who was it that said he lacked a “footballing brain”? Not me, but a footballer. This person wasn’t way off.

  19. salparadisenyc

    Bamford

    Agreed minimum of 3 top signings not to mention replacing the outs.

    As most on here would agree we need a WC striker, CDM and pace on the left; Sanchez has being bounced around this week as hed be pretty ideal imo.

    Cabella is quality, think he’s slight and well have a long bedding in period if he makes the move from Ligue 1. To be honest I see him playing for Spuds, just seems that type.

    I’m not interested in Vela for many reasons.

    Paint dry may of been a bit harsh, sarcasm.

  20. WengerEagle

    A good comparison for Alexis Sanchez playing through the middle in the BPL would be Sergio Aguero.

    Aguero’s only an inch taller than Alexis and they have similar stocky builds.

    Tevez too was only 5 foot 8 and was great for City as a CF.

  21. london gunner

    WE

    Disagree, Aguero, Negredo, Silva, Kolorov and Zabaleta were all excellent in the UCL this season. Yaya was poor, didn’t stamp his authority on any of the big matches that City played.

    Not more can I say that a totally disagree

    As for Ronaldo

    His scoring goals because of framework around him you managed completely miss the point of what I was saying about Ronaldo.

    Most of his goals were cutbacks from Bale then Benzema and then penalties hardly bossing games.

    As for the Vidal comments?

    I don’t get the relevance because Vidal is great that makes Yaya overhyped doesn’t make any sense, its like saying Ribbery/ronaldo are overated because Messi is so great….

    Both Vidal and Yaya are great players both have different roles. Doesn’t mean those players are overhyped

    Yaya is no doubt an immense player if you can’t see that you should of gone to specsavers 🙂

  22. salparadisenyc

    Sanchez can play either wing and would work quite well if we played two up front, as stated like city with Aguero and __________.

  23. Bamford13

    london

    No offense taken. I actually didn’t realize that Sturridge was 6’2″. He’s always looked shorter than that to to me. I like him even more now. And Suarez is 5’11”. Thought he was smaller than that as well. Must be because I’m looking at the two of them next to one another.

    All the same, Aguero is only 5’8″. Yes, he often plays with Dzeko or Negredo, but is it your position that Aguero could not play up top without one of those two?

    I’m not persuaded. He receives the ball with his back to goal often and because of his lower body strength, he holds things up just fine.

    So why couldn’t Sanchez?

    I mean, it’s irrelevant, because I’m not actually interested in Sanchez, but I don’t know if I agree that he could not be effective centrally in the PL because of his height.

    I’ll have to mull that one over. =)

  24. gunnergetyou

    We should be all over Sanchez but the problem is that it makes to much sense. I cant think of a time where Wenger has made the obvious signing.

    He nearly did with Higuain but we all know what happened there

  25. gambon

    “Walcott has a crazy amount of assists so his obviously got some creativity.”

    Firstly he doesn’t have a “crazy” amount of assists at all

    Secondly he is in no way creative, he just sits high up the pitch and contributes absolutely nothing defensively so assists are inevitable.

    Ask him to actually defend and pass the ball more than 20 times per game and you would see some very average stats.

  26. Bamford13

    WE

    Exactly the point I was trying to make. A smaller guy, provided he is smart and strong, can play through the center.

  27. gunnergetyou

    In other news Remy says he’s dreaming of Chelsea. He would be for them as a 2nd choice striker.

    We need to start putting these deals together. If we wait too long we’ll be left behind

  28. WengerEagle

    ‘Not more can I say that a totally disagree’

    Aguero averaged more than a goal a game scoring 6 in 5 and Negredo scored 5 so how can you say they were poor???

    Also mate you need to go to Specsavers yourself if you couldn’t see how well Silva played in the UCL this year.

    ‘His scoring goals because of framework around him you managed completely miss the point of what I was saying about Ronaldo.’

    No I got that you actually completely missed my point, City are set up to get the best out of Yaya hence he has no defensive responsibilities whatsoever and he is partnered next to Fernandinho who is the water carrier.

    ‘Most of his goals were cutbacks from Bale by then Benzema and then penalties hardly bossing games.’

    That’s just being silly, he scored 17 goals so obviously a few were bound to fit that description but you clearly didn’t watch haldf of his goals. Here’s a video take a look.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj4eCkp1Gfw

    He also contributed 4 assists which was only less than Rooney, Benzema and Robben who all had 5 each.

    ‘Both Vidal and Yaya are great players both have different roles. ‘

    No, they’re both B2B midfielder’s, Yaya just can’t defend which makes him inferior.

    ‘I don’t get the relevance because Vidal is great that makes Yaya overhyped doesn’t make any sense, its like saying Ribbery/ronaldo are overated because Messi is so great….’

    I was just using Vidal as an example of a player that I rated higher than Yaya who is nowhere near being the 3rd best player in Europe like you suggested he could be under Mourinho.

    ‘Yaya is no doubt an immense player if you can’t see that you should of gone to specsavers ‘

    Mate I said in my last post that there’s no doubt he is world class, he’s just overrated!

  29. WengerEagle

    ‘Secondly he is in no way creative, he just sits high up the pitch and contributes absolutely nothing defensively so assists are inevitable.

    Ask him to actually defend and pass the ball more than 20 times per game and you would see some very average stats.’

    Agree, in no way is Wally a creative player.

  30. nigel tufnel

    I’m worried that our delaying coukd cost us a aurier and sanchez, if thats who we’re after.
    Imagine not outbidding stupid juve for Sanchez ,
    THEY HAVE NO MONEY! they offered 8 million for rvp. 18 for higuain ….. italy is broke. . And Other big teams will want aurier, he’s no secret, word is out.

  31. Thorough

    Bamford. Totally agree, I’ll love Sanchez or Di Maria, but I will gladly take Cabella over them all even if they all come at the same price. To have that much skill n speed, and yet shoot like a striker simply means you’re nothing but world class. I have no doubt he’ll surprise the whole football world pretty soon. Mark my words!

  32. WengerEagle

    ‘but I will gladly take Cabella over them all even if they all come at the same price.’

    What? You can’t be serious, Cabella over Di Maria?

    I hope you’re on a wind up.

  33. Confidentgoner

    Yaya is without doubt, the best player in the Premiership and his club deserves to do all they can to make him happy including paying him the highest in the BPL. Messi had the same treatment from Barca and Ronaldo from Real. its called retention in real life.

    Lay off Yaya.

  34. gambon

    Wenger eagle

    Yaya is a much better passer, a much better runner, much better on the ball.

    Vidal plays in a 3 man mid where he has a lot of freedom to get forward and make late runs

    Yaya dictates play in a 2 man midfield.

    Much better player.

  35. WengerEagle

    ‘Yaya is without doubt, the best player in the Premiership’

    Not a chance he is a better player than Luis Suarez or Sergio Aguero.

    There’s a reason that City tailed off when Aguero got injured and in general look so much worse offensively when he’s not in the team.

    As for Suarez, well he’s just a monster.

  36. Craigy

    Good appointment by the spuds have to say! Hope wenger doesn’t mess about this summer! We can’t afford to anymore! Where in danger every season almost! Fingers crossed he gets it right for once!!

  37. salparadisenyc

    Confident

    “Lay off Yaya”

    Think most would agree Yaya is one of the most influential players in the league. But that doesn’t take away from the fact he’s being a greedy money grubbing cunt thats been tapped up for yet another enormous payday and he’s taking the bait with vigor.

    Seems to be PSG doing the tapping, a club sticking its middle finger up at FFP on what could be described as a renegade quest against this regime. Surely it will be interesting.

    Luis £40-45 million what next.

  38. london gunner

    WE

    I think this will be one of those agree to disagree moments

    Honestly I think Yaya is in the top 2 players in the EPL (him and Suarez)

    Its ironic though that you state Yaya is overrated because of his performances in the big matches then label Suarez as a monster/ best player in EPL when most people would concede he has not shown up in the big games.

    Is it one rule for one and another rule for another player? It seems abit hypocritical to judge one player on his game performances and then it forget about that over another player.

    Personally I think Aguero is an insane talent but he can’t be included in the best of the best bracket until he gets through a season without it being blighted with injury

    He needs to stay fit and healthy its like RVP he imo would of been one of the best players in the world years ago but he was consistently injured its remarkable that aguero can still perform to a great standard whenever he comes back from injury but for me give him a whole season uninjured and he could be in the top 3 players in the world

  39. Marc

    There’s a certain (enjoyable) irony to Man City losing a player to a team that is living off of a sugar daddy and offering a ridiculous amount of money in salary.

  40. WengerEagle

    gambon

    True that he’s a better passer but not by much. Vidal’s a very decent passer, he averaged 83% passing accuracy this season and contributed 5 assists. Yaya to be fair averages a 90% passing accuracy and has contributed 9 assists. Vidal beats him in key passes per game though with 1.5 per game compared to Yaya’s 1.1 per game.

    ‘Vidal plays in a 3 man mid where he has a lot of freedom to get forward and make late runs’

    Yaya has absolutely no defensive responsibility for City though, he basically plays as a CAM with Silva on the left and Fernandinho/Garcia behind him.

    Vidal’s defensive stats completely shit on Yaya. Vidal averages 4.3 tackles a match compared to Yaya’s 1.5 tackles a match. Vidal also averages 1.2 interceptions a match compared to Yaya’s 0.7 interceptions a match average.

    Yaya’s better going forward whereas Vidal is much better at defending.

  41. london gunner

    WE

    You say its funny how Man City tailed off without aguero of course they would… His there star striker lol.

    Of course losing star striker is going to have an impact that in no way implies Yaya is overrated I don’t really get your arguments they seem like very lose connections

    It’s like saying Inesta is overrated because while Messi isn’t playing well the performances have tailed off… Okay Barca with an out of form Messi is no way as effective or successful but Inesta is still a wonderful player.

    If anything you could argue Yaya is such a wonderful player that City still managed to win the league while missing Aguero for vast periods of time.. meaning Yaya did a great job being an attacking force covering for aguero’s absence.

    Also how is he massively overrated most people think his in the top 3 players in the EPL? Is he yes!

    Most people say his not as good as Suarez…

    If people were saying his the best players in the world/europe that would be overrated but saying his top 3 in the league not overrating it just calling a spade a spade

  42. WengerEagle

    ‘Its ironic though that you state Yaya is overrated because of his performances in the big matches then label Suarez as a monster/ best player in EPL when most people would concede he has not shown up in the big games.’

    He has shown up, if he’s not scoring goals he creating them. Take the 5-1 mauling of us for example, he didn’t score in that match but he absolutely ran amok. The funny thing with Suarez is that he does play well against big teams he just doesn’t seem to score as much as he should against them.

    Even still he does score in big matches, in 2012/13 he scored home and away v Chelsea and against City. This season while not scoring v City or Chelsea he’s scored 3 v Tottenham, 2 v Everton and he scored against United at Old Trafford.

    It will be interesting to see how he fares next season in the UCL.

    ‘Personally I think Aguero is an insane talent but he can’t be included in the best of the best bracket until he gets through a season without it being blighted with injury’

    That doesn’t make sense, the guy averaged a goal every 75 mins when he played in the BPL this season which is nothing short of astonishing. City noticeably declined offensively when he was out.

  43. WengerEagle

    ‘Of course losing star striker is going to have an impact that in no way implies Yaya is overrated I don’t really get yourAd by HDvid Codec V6.0 arguments they seem like very lose connectionsIt’s like saying Inesta is overrated because while Messi isn’t playing well the performances have tailed off… Okay Barca with an out of form Messi is no way as effective or successful but Inesta is still a wonderful player.’

    Mate you are completely misunderstanding me clearly, a poster said that Yaya was undoubtedly the best player in the BPL and I said Aguero and Suarez were better highlighting just how important Aguero is to City as they struggled badly offensively without him. I wasn’t using that as an example to say Yaya is overrated, not sure how you interpreted that from it.

  44. WengerEagle

    Plus Dzeko and Negredo aren’t exactly mugs, these are established quality CF’s we are talking about. Yet the drop in quality when Aguero got injured was remarkable highlighting just how supremely gifted Aguero is.

  45. MidwestGun

    I agree that there is no plan. We very rarely even replace the outgoing players let alone upgrade on our weaknesses. There is absolutely no reason to be interviewing Kim Kallstrom. AW’s entire modus operandi is take the path of least resistance. Bringing back Flamini for instance. Kim K would be a zero effort signing. Same stuff every transfer window. Giroud, Vela/Campbell, Sanogoal is our most likely CF outcome because it requires zero effort or initiative.

  46. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    I cannot understand why wenker is quick to clear out players, a few untried at a decent level (chucks).
    Yet he is slow on the intake?

    Is it really he don’t know who he wants of is he playing hardball trying to for e down the price of who he wants?

    Also spurs give prochunchino a five year deal ?

    So they expect him to stay for that long…. I bet he don’t

  47. Frankie T

    Been hearing some khedira rumours doing the rounds and 15million I’d the figure being touted. I never ever believe papers but that one could make sense. I know he’s not the most mobile of midfielders but could be a bit of a Gilberto type.

    If e combined his signing with that of say, alexis sanchez for example then on paper would look formidable.

    Ramsey khedira
    Ozil
    Walcott giroud sanchez

    Can’t see us getting a 3 big names. If anything I think at best a 30m player with maybe two 12-15m players.

  48. Marko

    Yaya for me is certainly the most improved midfielder I can think of in say the last 5 seasons. To go from a DM who played a champions league final at centre back to a hugely effective AM is impressive enough but add in the fact that at around the 30 year old mark he has seemed to get much faster too is pretty unbelievable. Back at his Monaco, Olympiakos and Barca days he was a pretty impressive DM but now he’s so much better and tbh he should be getting worse but has gotten better.

  49. WengerEagle

    Tom Ince to Inter has to be one of the weirdest transfer’s in recent history.

    The guy couldn’t get into the Crystal Palace first XI.

    I know that Inter have gone to the dogs but even still it’s pretty shocking.

  50. Dissenter

    Midwest,
    Yes, Wenger has no plan but Gazidis should be the driving force in making Wenger comply to a larger goal for the club.
    I read that goal.com article thinking it was just speculation until I noted it was culled from a real interview.
    How on earth did Kallstom walk away thining he’s Arsenal quality. Errr… he trained with the likes of Diaby and Miyachi. We’re lucky he didn’t get to train with Frimpong,

    Gazidis should have his own football circle by now if he’s to succeed.
    Wenger has saturated the entire place with his yes-men.

  51. Dissenter

    Frankly, I don’t think its a good idea to start buying friends of players such as Khedira and Ozil.
    These players are highly paid employees, surely they can find people to gel with in the current squad. What the point of seeking team cohesion when all we’ll be doing is allowing little cliques to start forming.

  52. MidwestGun

    Dissenter –
    Your Gazidis scenario is the hope im holding out for. Maybe, some pressure to sign a top dollar transfer based on the Ozil signing will occur. Not to mention the pressure from sponsors and marketing Dept and fans. It’s a little something to hold onto I suppose along with the failed attempts at getting a legitimate striker last year. But another summer of at least we tried, isn’t gonna cut it for me. We have the money to land someone.

  53. Emiratesstroller

    According to BBC Sagna has now confirmed that he is leaving Arsenal. Apparently he has written a letter to this effect.

    Therefore we need to complete signing of right back as soon as possible.

    I don’t know why posters persist in suggesting Kallstrom will stay. Wenger announced at end of season that he would be leaving. We have already on our books 4 midfielders who are or will be 30+ next season. Do we need a fifth?

  54. MidwestGun

    E Stroller –
    I agree, Sagna is gone let’s lock up a transfer for RB. Surely, thats a top priority that can’t wait til post WC.
    As to the Kim K. thing, that was my point, we shouldn’t even be considering him.

  55. northern gooner

    WE
    It is a shame about sagna. For me hes been our most consistant player for last 3 or 4 years.
    He wont be replaced because jenks might be up to the job but wenger will wait for 3 years before deciding if it was worth it.

  56. WengerEagle

    I hope this puts and end to all of those on here clamouring for Griezmann.

    Goals:

    Griezmann- 19
    Vela- 19
    Firmino- 22

    Assists:

    Griezmann- 3
    Vela- 12
    Firmino- 15

    Key passes per match:

    Griezmann- 1
    Vela- 2.1
    Firmino- 2.1

    Dribbles per match:

    Griezmann- 0.7
    Vela- 2
    Firmino- 4.5

    Shots per match:

    Griezmann- 3.2
    Vela- 2.3
    Firmino- 2.8

    Tackles per match:

    Griezmann- 1.5
    Vela- 0.9
    Firmino- 2.5

    No way in hell do I want us to spend £20 million+ on Griezmann when Vela is the better player.

  57. WengerEagle

    northern gooner

    Yeah don’t see Wenger properly replacing him which would be terrible for us.

    Aurier makes far too much sense for Wenger to buy unfortunately.

  58. WengerEagle

    Marko

    Could say the same about you and Cuadrado 😉

    In all seriousness I just find it baffling that no-one else on here ever mentions him when he’s so much better than the likes of Griezmann.

  59. WengerEagle

    Nickie

    Both would be quite gettable IMO. Neither would turn down improved wages, the chance to play in the Champions League not to mention London being an attraction in itself.

    £20 million would probably be enough to get either player.

  60. Nickie

    If Di Maria was attainable i’d go all out for him. Not sure who I would choose out of these 2. Probably Firminho due to the fact he’s younger and that his stats are very impressive

  61. Marko

    I always thought Firmino was more an attacking midfielder than a winger? He’s been highly regarded for a few seasons now. But apparently he signed anew deal back in March but I’d say he could be gotten. But is he a natural winger? I haven’t seen enough to pass judgement on him. Is he a better fit than someone like Draxler/Alexis/Cuadrado or Reus?

  62. Nickie

    Wenger will most definitely sign someone completely out the blue. Someone who hasn’t been mentioned. Have we been linked with Firminho via any media outlets? he’s our best bet at the moment lol

  63. WengerEagle

    ‘But is he a natural winger? I haven’t seen enough to pass judgement on him. Is he a better fit than someone like Draxler/Alexis/Cuadrado or Reus?’

    No he’s a forward capable of playing anywhere across the front 3 similar to Jovetic or Reus. We need a LF and he’d be a good fit as he’s fast, creative, an excellent dribbler and scores a lot of goals. We also don’t play with natural wingers.

    Reus and Alexis would be my 2 favourites but Reus is unattainable it seems. Alexis therefore would be my first choice left forward this summer.

    From the other 3, Firmino’s by far the most efficient and creative but Draxler has a ridiculously high ceiling of talent. He’d probably cost twice what Firmino would though so yeah, I’d say Firmino would be the best we can get after Alexis.

  64. Johnty79

    Wenger loves to destroy young English talent that he doesn’t pick as winners.

    Jet was our stand out youth player but wenger didn’t bring him to the club.

    Wilshere was small but technical so wenger brought him to the for.

    2001 y cup team. Wenger signs alideriri and gives him numourous chances. Thomas,sidwell, ricketts get know chance.

    Chucks aneke better than all our midfielders but given no chance. Just so wenger can sign a flop signing foreigner.

    It’s a wonder how wenger ever one a title after signing manninger,boa morte ,wreh, and Mendez all in 1997. Wenger has got way with signing….Anelka, vieira, Henry.

    With out these 3 signings we would of signed no one.

  65. Nickie

    Yes Johnty that’s why every young english player Wenger has let go the likes of Barca, Man city, Real, Bayern and Chelsea to name a few have snapped them up.

  66. WengerEagle

    Midwest

    Wow cheers, very interesting read.

    Alexis’s shot conversion rate is insane. Like the guy said the rest of his numbers are way down because of his role within Barcelona.

    Firmino’s number’s are very impressive (actually are even better than Ronaldo’s :D) while Reus’s are absolutely mental. I’d throw £50 million at Dortmund in the hope it would tempt them to sell Reus as he’s literally the best player in his position in Europe.

  67. Rockypires

    Where ate all these talented English players now Johnny
    The Paulo vernessa s
    The Stephen Hughes
    The Steve sidwells
    The Scott Marshall’s
    The David bentleys
    The Murphy’s
    The j Emanuel Thomas
    The jermain Thomas

    There’s a reason they were nt kept they were t good enough even for a top 4 team

    Gibbs and wilshere were good enough up son did nt make grade other than that cashley was the real deal but wanted Chelski

    Now how can u blame we get for no talent all had fair crack of whip so I trust him if he thinks aneke isn’t good enough or afobe etc

  68. MidwestGun

    Eagle –
    Ya, that’s what I got out of it, too. Reus is crazy good. But Firminho I think is only 22 and half the price so would be great. But of course Chelscum is interested. Hate them! And ya Sanchez finishing is what we have been missing. All great options. Hope someone at Arsenal is doing some research and have some options lined up.

  69. Bade

    Pedro dear

    Sometimes your views tell your age….

    I mean really, this type of ‘I’m sick of memorial celebration’ may hold a reasoned grounds, but not for yesterday. It’s almost once in a life time that you get such a climax.

    People went mental over the Barca vs Atletico clash, while honestly our Anfield win was ten times bigger

    So maybe when you grow up a bit, you’ll realize this shouldn’t be a date your forget, you closet Arsene fan!

  70. Dissenter

    Wenger Eagle,
    Not sure if you’re the one besotted with Firmino, but clearly from the ‘7am” article provided by Midwest, Vela is just as good as Firmino.

    Vela wont need to adjust to the premier league, his education was started here in England.
    Vela is no longer the kid we loaned off, he’s a mature lad who’s carried a Spanish team into the CL and stood up to his own FA.

    Bring back Vela!
    Bring back Vela!

  71. gambon

    “but clearly from the ’7am” article provided by Midwest, Vela is just as good as Firmino.”

  72. gambon

    “but clearly from the ’7am” article provided by Midwest, Vela is just as good as Firmino.”

    Sorry I meant to say “LOLOLOLOL”

  73. WengerEagle

    Goals:

    Griezmann- 19
    Vela- 19
    Firmino- 22

    Assists:

    Griezmann- 3
    Vela- 12
    Firmino- 15

    Key passes per match:

    Griezmann- 1
    Vela- 2.1
    Firmino- 2.1

    Dribbles per match:

    Griezmann- 0.7
    Vela- 2
    Firmino- 4.5

    Shots per match:

    Griezmann- 3.2
    Vela- 2.3
    Firmino- 2.8

    Tackles per match:

    Griezmann- 1.5
    Vela- 0.9
    Firmino- 2.5

    All stats from whoscored.com.

    Combining that with the article Midwest provided and it’s clear that Firmino is a far superior dribbler to Vela. His per 90 offensive contribution is also much better than Vela’s from that article.

    Also you have to remember he’s 2 and a half years younger than Vela.

  74. Dissenter

    WengerEagle,
    I hear you man.
    Vela, carried the Sociedad team into the CL and has a higher shot conversion. He will be coming back at the same level as Theo, an established leader.

    All I am saying is that Vela is JUST AS GOOD as Firmino.

    The most important stat is, VELA 4 million [if true] Vs Firmino 20 million

  75. Thomas

    Giroud can’t help he’s an crap striker. Blame Wanker for not getting a proper striker despite having four windows to do so.

    #WengerOut

  76. WengerEagle

    Thorough

    No it’s not just because of Saturday, I’ve watched Di Maria regularly for Real Madrid and Argentina for the last few years and he’s a superb player. This season in particular he’s been an absolute machine for Real.

    I’vde watched Cabella the odd time admittedly, I haven’t seen a lot of him but looking at his stats, 14 goals and 5 assists in the French league this season he doesn’t look like a world beater like you say he is. For example, Kalou has scored 16 and assisted 6 in the French league this season.

  77. WengerEagle

    The fact that only Newcastle are being linked to Cabella too would suggest to me that he’s not all that. Plus he’s 24 and he’s never won a cap for France.

  78. Dissenter

    Thorough,
    I’ve been arguing this all year long.

    Giroud is not a “crap striker”.
    Any striker that scores 22 goals is not crap.
    He’s average but is good enough to grace our bench.
    You guys need to calm down.
    Yes we need an elite striker however Oliver still has a place in the team when we play the likes of Stoke away.
    We need him for the photo-shoots too.

  79. WengerEagle

    Dissenter

    We have shedloads of money, the 4 million v 20 million stat shouldn’t mean anything to us. We piss away enough on wages on average players.

    The fact is that Firmino’s a better player than Vela and that we should go for the best possible players out there.

    Another important stat not mentioned- Firmino made 8 less appearances than Vela this season and still outscored him 22-19 and out assisted him 15-12.

  80. salparadisenyc

    Bade

    Funny post, I watched that match with my dad in my teens, poppin zits and drinking shandy’s.

    Cemented many things, can’t believe its been 25 yrs. Surprised the house didn’t implode.

  81. Dissenter

    Giroud scores twice against France.

    I wonder if Giroud can surprise the world and have a Mandzukic moment at the WC.

  82. Dissenter

    Midwest,
    The entire team sucked at Stoke, it wasn’t just Giroud. He’s good enough for out bench, in my book.
    The referee allowed Stoke to get away with some really dangerous play against Giroud in that game.

  83. Phil

    Why do some people on here think we are going to sign anyone of good repute. Has the last x amount of “the wenger years” not taught you anything.? We will be at the front of the trolley dash, I mean this G Barry story..fuck me, I don’t know why I am surprised tbh. Wenker will fuck it all up again, but this time he will be pulling in 8 mill instead if 7.5 from last season.

  84. Dissenter

    Did I actually writer that “Giroud scored twice against France”?

    Have to get a new pot of coffee ready.

  85. MidwestGun

    France, on paper, has the talent to do some damage at the WC. Need to take advantage of Ribery’s last WC. Should easily make it to the quarterfinals unless they finish 2nd in their group and have to play Argentina.

  86. salparadisenyc

    Dissenter

    I though he put a couple own goals in
    Hopefully he has a blinder in the WC, best form ever.
    Promptly sell him to PSG.

  87. Thorough

    WE n Co. Do you guys actually realize Cabella plays for Montpellier, relegation fodder, on the WINGs? Kalou was in a top 3 team, Gerv in a double-winning team thathad Hazard? The analogies are way off people. Sorry I slept off, would have replied earlier.

  88. Emiratesstroller

    I keep on reading on this site all the players that Arsenal should be buying as though we are the only club in the market and perhaps more importantly have the most money to burn.

    The reality is that there are today at least 8-10 clubs who are able to outbid us for players when you factor in not just the transfer fee, but wages and agents fees as well. Moreover there are plenty of clubs with owners with oversized egos who will also outbid us from time to time if need be.

    Arsenal may have by repute a £100 million transfer pot but it does not mean that it will be spent in one go. All the evidence in recent years suggests that we
    will spend annually between £40-50 million at most. Maybe with Puma sponsorship the budget will be increased by an additional £10-20 million.

    Looking at our squad it is clear that we will need in current transfer window at
    least three new first team players plus a couple of squad players as well. Clearly spending £70 million is not going to buy more than perhaps one world class
    player particularly when you see the spending power of Paris St Germain who
    appear to be ignoring blatantly the UEFA fair play rules.If Man City follow the
    same path we will be blown out of the water.

    When you see that Luis a good but not outstanding player has been sold for £50 million it makes you realise that Arsenal’s budget is never going to be enough to buy the genuinely top players.

    What Wenger must now do is to focus on those positions which need strengthening and be decisive in transfer market. We cannot afford to sit and
    wait and see what is going to happen elsewhere.

    As a club we need good players who will fit into our team and make it stronger
    and not keep on dreaming about players who are realistically beyond our budget.

    The primary targets are now first class right full back, defensive midfield and
    forward.

    Having watched France last night I would be perfectly happy to see either Griezmann or Remy recruited. The former is a very gifted player and if he is
    able to score goals in EPL as he did in Spanish League he would be a good acquisition. Remy is also a good player on evidence of last night with more pace
    than Giroud.

    Giroud may not be the best striker on planet, but despite all the criticism he is
    hard working and effective. He scored two good goals one with head and the other with boot.

    The major difficulty at the moment is that most clubs whether buyers or sellers seem to be waiting for what happens in World Cup. That is of course apart
    from those clubs such as Bayern, Paris St Germain and Man City who plan well ahead and have budget to buy whoever they want at whatever the cost.

  89. Bergkamplegend

    L’OREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL WHAT AAAAAAAAA DOUBLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    (ps : good morning Gvovers)

  90. Moray

    I suspect he “almost” bent one in and then got cold feet again, thereby antagonising everyone and helping noone. If he plays like a bitch at the World Cup because he is so upset then we will know this to be true.