Two choices for Arsene: Leave now or cede power and collaborate

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Another big game. Another flunked test. Arsenal are now in serious jeopardy of losing out on 4th place.

We knew what Everton’s game plan was going to be. Arsene Wenger didn’t. They came at us with the objective of destroying us in the first half an hour, and sure enough, that’s what they did.

They were mentally prepared, tactically aware, drilled and packed with energy.

Comments like, ‘they wanted it more’, don’t really work for me. All footballers want to win. That extra zip those players had over ours is baked into the Everton set up. They’ve been built to play at that tempo. Last week, they would have been trained so they could play at that pace. No training ground beasting for those guys. It showed as well, they were ferocious in the way they picked off our sorry group of players.

We had nothing to offer the game. We had no shape and no awareness of what was going on. Our defending was shambolic, our reaction was pathetic and we caved to a better team who have a far better manager.

… and that’s it people. Martinez, at the moment, is a better manager than Arsene Wenger. Our relic of leader has no idea what’s going on. He’s utterly clueless. He can’t see what’s coming because he doesn’t check. He can’t react to what’s going on because he’s a creature of habit (waiting until the 65th minute to change the game was embarrassing). He can’t win against top sides these days because at the highest level, it’s about the manager and the marginal gains he offers you.

On our travels this year against the top 5 sides, we’re 20-4 down.

Take a moment. Digest that figure. Now ask yourself this, how can we possibly sign Arsene Wenger up for another two years? How can anyone defend the stagnation? How can Arsenal football club allow him to sign up to the new deal?

He has to go. In fact, if he loses against Wigan, he might decide to leave. Really though, the FA Cup isn’t sugar coating anything. The reality here is that Arsene has taken us from top of the league in February to fighting for our lives for Champions League football. Harry Redknapp was sacked for less. Where is the quality control here?

Who is going to say, ‘Arsene, enough is enough’…

Player reaction

What will be interesting is the reaction from the players. Are they sick of the b*llshit? Are they sick of having no game plan? I know for a fact the players bemoan the lack of planning behind the scenes. Will the players fight for the manager next week against Wigan, or will they bend over? How can they motivate themselves to play for someone who doesn’t know what he’s doing.

… and look, players are like fans. They can see what’s going wrong. Did you see Theo’s face when Sky asked him what he thought about signing Ozil? Did you see his face when asked about the surprise in not signing a striker in January? He knows.  Players speak to their pals at Barca and Madrid, they know what goes into prep. They know how meticulous Martinez, Rodgers and Mourninho are. They know that Wenger isn’t going to change. So what are they there fighting for?

What will the reaction look like at Wigan? They’re a Cup winning side. We’re totally deflated and we don’t have enough players to rotate in some enthusiasm. Sometimes, players just cave. It’s not said verbally, you can just see that they’ve given up. I watched Milan players do it earlier in the season against Sassuolo when they lost 4-3. Could that happen to Arsene’s men? Or can they muster something special for a last hurrah?

The Reality

Two more years of stagnation shouldn’t be an option. The second half of the season has felt like watching your dad taking a nicely humoured beating in the pub. You can’t step in either. You know he can’t fight back anymore, he’s trying, still bullish he can overturn it, but simple fact is he’s had it. He doesn’t have to tools to get out of this one. What’s worse is he doesn’t have the pride to walk away.

The press can defend him and tell Arsenal fans they’re ungrateful. They can say things like ‘Arsenal have had injuries that put context against their demise’… and never explore the reasons why we have those injuries. They can complain the players don’t have the bottle, without ever taking time to understand what a nonsensical statement that is when you look at the players we have. They can bemoan the lack of pace and never put that to Wenger And ask why he doesn’t have power in his squad. However, what they can’t ever get away from is that he’s failed another season. Outside of cute quotes and a brand of football that draws sympathetic ‘oh, but at least they try to play the right way’, what have we got in Arsene Wenger nowadays?

Don’t be dumbed down into the harsh realities of what we’re dealing with here. Don’t accept turgid statements like ‘ there weren’t the players’, ‘it’s bad luck’ or ‘the players have let Arsene down’.

Demise and Delusion

Hell, if you want any further indicator of Wenger’s slide into delusion, think about his statement yesterday about hair supplements causing additional injury. What scientific basis did he have for that statement? Who was he talking about? That comment was an absolute sh*t show. Players aren’t taking drugs on the side and they aren’t impacting injuries. He’s looking at the 1% chance over the 90% chance that the reason his players are ruined is because he kills them.

Add this all up and you have incompetence. It’s not purposeful incompetence, it’s incompetence that has degenerated his abilities over the course of ten years. Wenger challenges hair supplements because he knows no better. He overplays because he thinks he knows players and their bodies better than the experts. He doesn’t have a game plan because he doesn’t know how to have one. He doesn’t buy in power because he’s being advised badly. I mean, when is someone going to challenge Wenger’s mindset that you can’t bulk up players because they lose their mobility? Anyone showed him Matic? Does he remember Drogba? Has he seen Yaya Toure? Did he watch Lukaku destroy us? Did he watch our players constantly disposessed by bigger / faster players? When is someone going to sit with Wenger and explain to him that his incredibly poor record against top teams is all about his lack of a match plan. How can a man, so intelligent, not see that if you line up the same way every week, it makes you predictable and easy to play against?

The Choices

So do you give him the chance to rebuild? Does Ivan step in and force change? Can the manager accept he’s being let down by hangers on intent on self preservation? Does Wenger have the bottle and the gumption to have one final last push at trying management 2.0?

It’ll be major upheaval whichever route he takes. We’re already as bad as it gets in modern football. It’s an miracle we managed to sustain a challenge for so long doing things the old fashioned way. It was always going to fall apart though.You can fight toe to toe doing things badly, but at some point, the pressure will tell and you’ll have no fall back mechanism.

My view is that the manager should walk away. My view is that he might just do that. Look at him on the sidelines at Swansea, he didn’t stand up for 65minutes. Yesterday, he hardly stood at all. He just sat there. He looked almost delirious. He doesn’t know what’s going on and no one will be frank with him. He’s built a backroom team around him that doesn’t pride itself on great work. Instead of building a culture of excellence, where you celebrate pushing your department on, he’s built a backroom team that care only about preserving their futures. Having the favour of the manager is about agreeing with him, not about telling him there’s a different way of doing things that might yield 9 extra points a season because we lower our player down time by 8%. We need hungry, young, talented people working all over the club.

To do that, the manager needs to take a back seat. He needs to understand that he can’t be chief scout, financial director, 1st team coach, tactician and the fitness coach. If you can’t be the best, build the best around you. Feed off their enthusiasm. Fuck it, learn something. I’m 29, I work in social marketing (3 years ago), when I started, I did everything (insights, content, community, outreach, planning)… now I do nothing. I have a team of people that wipe the floor with me, all working as specialists within the aforementioned disciplines. I remember the days where you did it all. Now, I’m a relic, thriving off the talent that works for me. Arsene’s job shouldn’t be about being the expert in  it all, it should be about taking that information and turning it into something special. Empower talent and you’ll reap the rewards. Football and business are the same, though football, in general, is struggling to accept the evolution.

This isn’t revolutionary stuff in general. This is how Lyon operated so successfully, this is why Barca are where they are, it’s what they’ve been implementing at Manchester City, it’s the structure David Moyes destroyed at United, it’s the approach Rogers has taken that’s given Liverpool a chance at the title… it’s the way a modern club operates. The manager is the figurehead. He’s there, taking all the expert data and crafting it into a final 11. The department heads don’t fear challenging the manager and kicking things on, because ultimately, departmental excellence is their job and the only person who can sack them is the CEO. This is how all the best clubs work. It’s a collaboration, not a dictatorship. The only fear you have in your job is not being the best you can be. That’s how you kick on a company. That’s how you kick on a football backroom team.

That’s why I’m not sure Arsene has it in him to change. That’s why I’d be game for someone like Steve Bould taking over. I don’t think we need a massive name. Football isn’t that game anymore. We need someone who is young, eager to impress, of the right stature and most importantly, someone Ivan Gazidis has control over.  Bring in Bould, give him a deal and tell him he has the full backing under stipulations. Steve Bould is the right age, he’s a beast of a man but with a very likeable edge. He’s a legend as well, he’s one two Premier Leagues (I think he was here for the second) and two 1st Divisions, countless cups. He knows the club inside out and he’ll no doubt have an opinion about what’s going on. I simply refuse to believe he’s not sitting on the touchlines facepalming inside. The other important aspect about Steve Bould is that firstly, the players all like him and secondly, he’ll have the fans on his side. Barca lost Frank Rijkaard and put in their B team manager. He’s now one of the greatest managers of all time. He left the club and they brought in Villanova who upped it again for the club. You bring in someone internally, they know the politics of the club, they know the players and they’ll have the power to upgrade.

If we go outside the club, you have to look at what Martinez has done and be impressed. He has a vision, he has charisma and he’s delivering a brand of football at Everton I’d love to see at Arsenal. You have other managers like Thomas Tuchel who has a tremendous reputation in Germany for the work he’s doing with Mainz. There’s obviously someone like Klopp who is everyone’s dream. I just worry that he’s a bit crazy and he has some similarities with Wenger. He’s played with a tiny squad this year and he’s suffered some pretty horrendous injuries. Could be a one off, could be something deeper. My issue with an appointment like Klopp is that he’s an ego. He’s been there and done it… could be a masterstroke, could be a disaster. Point is, how much power can the club have over a global superstar manager?

So we are where we are. I don’t think this season has been hugely different to the last four or five. I’ve been putting these arguments up for the best part of 7 years. What changed this year is categorically, all Wenger’s usual fall back excuses were removed. For the first time, he’s been fully accountable. The 10 year wait for money, ironically, has been Wenger’s demise. Wenger had £100m to spend, he didn’t buy a striker, didn’t buy pace or power and then made it even worse by complaining about the existence of the January transfer window. His lack of drive to make the Premiership his this year will be the legacy of this season.

Question is, what does Arsene want his legacy to be? Because he’s killing it. He’ll always be remembered as the man who brought greatness to Arsenal, but will that be tinged with the following comment… ‘but he did go a bit Brian Clough in the end’… Wenger has two choices. Bow out on a cup win and hand over the reins, or cede power and collaboratively build a modern football club for the next manager.

Watching this one pan out will be interesting…

Thoughts in the comments section.

 

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  1. SurferX

    @vp
    Well, be careful vp- I know what you are saying- but Im not sure about them believing that the best way of delivering long-term shareholder-wealth is by sitting on a cash mountain (it isn’t in anyone’s book). Ivan G is a professional sports-administrator and CEO; he will not want to be associated with failure professionally or otherwise. In addition, these guys have made a career in sports-administration; they will have a clear understanding the relationship between success on the pitch and off it.

    What I do think though is there is a vacuum of football knowledge outside of AW. For so long, the Board (correctly imho) left all footballing matters to AW and it paid dividends; the trophy years (97-05) and the infrastructure years (02-08) where testament to that. I think there is a new dynamic at play at the moment though;

    1) For the first time, whatever their private thoughts, there is a genuine concern for succession post AW. Even if he signs, there will have been considerable thought give to what life needs to be like post-AW. Some of this thinking would be structurally (ie how do we prevent ceding so much authority and power to one individual) and some will be performance related (how can we maintain / improve performance).

    2) The repetitive failure. Im not just talking about trophies here, Im talking about some of the other aspects of the club. We regularly headhunt the finest young players we can, but still the production of players coming out of the academy is poor (which is why I believe we have seen recent changes). The recurring injury problems; why has AW suddenly decided there needs to be an investigation? The failure to strengthen the squad despite the annual ‘rivers of cash’ speech; if they did not believe it would be spent they wouldn’t keep making the proclamation (it just ultimately damages their credibility).

    In many ways, I think if AW decides to walk you probably wouldn’t find a happier person than Ivan G (whatever he says publicly). AW should be accountable to him; yet perversely at Arsenal he isn’t. CEO’s don’t like that- how can you be in charge of moving an organisation forward yet don’t have responsibility for the most influential person that can impact upon change? If AW walks, Ivan G dodges a bullet (nobody has to sack him) and he gets to structurally impact change upon the club. His biggest need (whoever) is someone with a modern-footballing brain that can partner with him to do just that.

  2. Bamford13

    Great post, Pedro.

    Wenger really must go, and I don’t think staying on and ceding power to others would be a good idea. We need a clean break.

    Yesterday’s match, along with the Chelsea and Liverpool matches, demonstrated that he is no longer a positive force at the club. The team are a lifeless bunch, clueless, unorganized, uninspired, spiritless.

    Beyond the sorry performances of the team, evidence of his incompetence is everywhere:

    Kallstrom
    Sanogo
    Flamini
    Arteta
    hair loss pills
    one “real” loss this season
    6-3
    5-1
    6-0
    3-0

    As for Bould, I think he would make for a good interim manager — beginning tomorrow — but I’m not sure he’s the man to take us into the future. He may be, but we need someone young, ambitious and with vision. Someone who can inspire and begin a new chapter at the club. Someone like —

    Klopp
    DeBoer
    Martinez
    Pocchetino

    Those who gripe that this or that replacement might fare poorly ignore the fact that we are at present A DISASTER under Wenger.

    Imagine if we hired a new manager and he signed the likes of Sanogo, Flamini and Kallstrom this summer, then proceeded to get waxed by rivals 6-3, 6-0, and 5-1. People would rightly be howling: “This man is a fool. Why did we hire him?”

    Well we have that very fool at the helm right now and the only question is, why are we still suffering under his reign?

  3. TitsMcgee

    Martinez wouldn’t be the sexiest hire but believe me we could do ALOT worse than him.

    Klopp is a dream hire that would be almost universally praised but to me Simeone is the one I want.

    I think he’s tailor-made for the Prem.

  4. Arsenal 1886-2006

    Just been reading some of the other blogs especially the ones that tended to give wenger the benefit of the doubt, it now seems as though they have turned or are turning to the realisation that wenger may no longer be the man for the job.
    Their comments sections where you would get blasted if you spoke out about wenger are now openly questioning him and his methods.
    This will not have gone unnoticed in the Arsenal media room amongst those that read the blogs.

    The collapse, constant injuries and capitulation against the clubs around us would not have gone unnoticed abroad either, top players will give us the cold shoulder when we approach them, they will not want to play for a man who seems to have lost his touch and seems loathe to change his ways.

    Is Ivan brave enough to load the pistol, or is he wengers man? it is time for Ivan to stand up and show his true colours. Does he work for Arsenal or Arsene?

  5. Zoran

    “My only real reservation is that he openly (in Germany) a practising Christian”

    Who cares? What does that have to do with anything?

    Exactly, specially not in a club like Arsenal. that’s why we are so different from all the rest.

  6. TitsMcgee

    The people that hide behind “can we find someone better than Wenger” are just clinging to their last desperate excuse.

  7. SurferX

    Pedro
    “Guys, a lot of disagreeing with my Bould post.I’m gonna start banning people shortly.You know the rules.”

    I dare you. I double-fucking-dare you!

    Only joking.. it would complete my Arsenal-blog banathon though.. from Untold;

    SurferX
    April 7, 2014 at 7:33 am
    This comment is not being published, as explained below.
    —————————-
    Surfer: thank you for another long piece.
    I know it is tough keeping track of what one has said, and the mind does decay somewhat as one gets old. Goodness me I know that, for as I have occasionally confessed I have been watching Arsenal since the late 1950s.
    But even so, I think if one is going to post a comment one ought to remember what one said in the last comment. If I may remind you…
    ‘Im going to leave Untold now- I shan’t darken the doors again.’
    Tony.

    He does have a point I guess.

  8. Leedsgunner

    Whatever God Klopp worships is his business.

    The only questions that matter should be:

    Does he have a plan? Is it a plan we want to follow as a club? If so, does he have the skills, knowledge and contacts to bring that plan into fruition?

    Does he have the ambition to bring the best players, the best coaches and the best trophies to Arsenal Football Club?

  9. Gregg

    I should imagine a lot of the managers that have been mentioned on here today are practising Christians. Certainly likely that the Spanish, latin American and Italians one’s would be.

  10. Guns of brixton

    Evra talking up Manures CL chances by claiming they can win the CL trophy.

    If that happend and we got 4th that’ll be the biggest fuck over we’ve got from those mugs.

  11. Charlie Boy

    Excellent post Pedro.

    My question to those talking up Martinez is a simple one: “Why would he want to join us when Everton will potentially be in the Champion’s League at our expense?”

  12. N5

    You all shouldn’t take SurferXs comment about relegion to seriously. It wasn’t meant to be offensive.

    Don’t tell me a single one of you found Glenn Hoddles new found spiritual behaviour refreshing?

    I wonder if we get Diaby on the Faith Healers bench and see how long until Jebus cures him 😛

  13. SurferX

    ZoranApril 7, 2014 11:57:18
    “My only real reservation is that he openly (in Germany) a practising Christian”Who cares? What does that have to do with anything?Exactly, specially not in a club like Arsenal. that’s why we are so different from all the rest.

    Well;

    a) I care
    b) I would prefer a manager that doesn’t practice or inspire divination (‘In Arsene We Trust’, ‘Keep The Faith’, ‘Arsene Knows’), etc
    c) I would prefer a manager that has no strong views on anything outside of his remit (spare me the financial doping speeches, the focusing on the incdientals- transfer system or whatever- the moralistic philosophising about life in general).

    All that being said you’ve quoted that out from a very pro-Klopp post, so contextually you’ve taken my comment well outside of what it meant: I would happily put up with his mad-religious beliefs if he delivers for Arsenal what he has delivered for Dortmund.

  14. Romford Pele

    “I’m not saying I want Bould as manager but it would be telling. It would be interesting to see who was dropped and who was drafted in from game one. Would he fast track one or two from his time with the youth set up?”

    Interesting.

  15. Gregg

    N5
    In fairness to Hoddle it wouldn’t have been an issue in most other countries. We’re a bit too ‘old school’ and afraid of new ideas in this country, when it comes to football.

  16. Ashwin Gunner

    Ok. I supported Bould in case we are looking inside. I would anyday prefere Kloop. He is young (Err comparitively) and has won more titles in past couple of years than Diaby has played for us.

    Lets look it more in detail. Where does Wenger lack.

    1) He keeps on signing injury prone players. and in some cases (Kallstorm) he actually signed and injured player.
    2) He keeps on giving injured / average players new bumper contracts.
    3) He doesnt spend extra 5m when we it is needed. ( Mata, Higuain, Suarez, Hazard)
    4) Selling best players to rivals and accepting defeat even before teh league starts (Nasri, RVP)
    5) Doesnt have any tactics.
    6) Easily predictable.
    7) Hardly cares if the club wins any title or not. All he cares is bank balance and top 4. I mean what is the point in being in UCL when you know you squad is never going to go beyond last 16 stage.
    7) Always bemoan about the tough teams we get in UCL.
    8) Dosnt take input from his experts and tries to poke his nose in every business the club does
    9)Of late he doesnt know how to sign a good striker( we signed Park, Bendtner, Sanago and Giroud).

    And point number 7 tells his mindset. He says he gets tough teams. Why doesnt he make his team tougher by making right purchases. Why cry against spending money. Man city are the highest spenders. but they are spending it right. they are spending on their scouting network. they are spending on their academy. What are we doing. We are signing post mans from Ligue 2. We are letting of as much as 15 kids leave the academy.

  17. Leedsgunner

    I’m not offended by Surfer’s comments… N5, not at all.

    It’s irrelevant.

    Although the people who continually defend Wenger remind me of those in an extreme cult…

    Wenger likes to think of himself as football messiah doesn’t he? Isn’t that why he comments on everything from oil money, global economics, supplement pills, and the dangers of sports drinks?

    He does anything and every except his job it seems. Has he declared yesterday’s result an accident yet?

  18. N5

    Gregg, I agree in part but even the most tolerant progressive forward thinking countries wouldn’t trust Diaby to a faith healer 😀

  19. Mark

    I don’t think Wenger is a practising christian. He is head of his own cult with his AKB disciples hanging on his every word.

  20. N5

    Lol @ TYAG

    @Leeds my apologise for reading into your comment mate, it came within numerous others that seemed a little annoyed with what Surfer had wrote and as he said his post was pro Klopp and then went on to explain pretty much what you’ve just said about wanting someone to concentrate on the job and nothing else.

    Great posts guys.

  21. bergkamplegend

    N5 : “Rule number#1 don’t disagree with Pedro
    Rule number#2 refer to rule 1.”

    Reminds me of the rules of Fight Club lol

  22. Bamford13

    If Wenger does go, Le Grove and all Wenger-outers will deserve a massive apology from others.

    We were right all along — and they were wrong.

  23. N5

    “Reminds me of the rules of Fight Club lol”

    Lol, very close, but those are in fact this.

    1st RULE: You do not talk about FIGHT CLUB.

    2nd RULE: You DO NOT talk about FIGHT CLUB.

    3rd RULE: If someone says “stop” or goes limp, taps out the fight is over.

    4th RULE: Only two guys to a fight.

    5th RULE: One fight at a time.

    6th RULE: No shirts, no shoes.

    7th RULE: Fights will go on as long as they have to.

    8th RULE: If this is your first night at FIGHT CLUB, you HAVE to fight.

  24. Jeff

    This is one of Arsene’s quotes:

    “For me, motivation is a person who has the capability to recruit the resources he needs to achieve a goal.”

    Or is it to sit on your hands, do nothing, hope for the best and look glum and sorry when it goes pear shaped?

  25. N5

    “And if it all goes wrong and we get a new man and get relegated we can all blame Pedro.

    Win-win for us.”

    Loooooooooool

  26. Leedsgunner

    Bamford13

    Although I appreciate and agree with your sentiments, I don’t care who’s right or wrong. I just want the best for the club.

    The only apologies I need to hear are those from one Arsene Wenger, one Ivan Gazidas, one Sir Chips Keswick and one Stan Kronke.

  27. blazon

    Pedro…

    it’s ironic that disaster brings out the best in you and produces such responsible criticism and observations…your analogy with what you personally have accomplished at work – thrive on the energy of others- is perfect for what is needed here…LG as a result is slowly transforming itself and is rid of most of the sophomoric invective…very well done

    Bould? no, tarred with the same brush.. and we are naked defensively without Kos…

    Gnabry…pace for crissake…with Theo gone whatever happened to him after Wenger used him early?

    I personally have lost all confidence in our hallowed youth program…just look at who it’s produced or rather not produced…the end results bear no comparison to the money poured into a bunch of wildly overpaid kids who apparently believe their own hype and now languish on lesser club benches…such a shame, but it hasn’t worked…one or two alphas are not fair reward…

    most of all…tactics/strategy/planniing…discipline/vision/bottle…

  28. Leedsgunner

    “For me, motivation is a person who has the capability to recruit the resources he needs to achieve a goal.”

    Jeff

    Makes you wonder exactly the goals he has for the club then doesn’t it? Chip up mate, it’s almost over. With each day of dithering indecision, Wenger is making his position untenable.

  29. Dobermann 13

    Over the many years I have supported Arsenal there have been many times the team has been worse than now, I remember the 1974/75 and 75/76 seasons when jimmy Rimmers goalkeeping and brian Kidds goals were all that saved us from relegation, but always you new that everyone at the club was giving their all to improve. During those times you could pop into the white hart in southgate and have a beer with the players,( more chance of a drink with prince Charles than a prem footballer these days.)we all felt we were part of it and were involved.Now I accept times have changed and football is big business , but arsenal under stan kroenke have been taken to a new level. Arsenal now is a passionless soulless franchise ,and just changing the manager is like changing the oil in a clapped out engine, short term you have done something,but long term the problems still exist. Only a complete overhaul can get us going again. Stan and josh out,the board of old duffers out, wenger and his yes men out. Today’s post mentions Steve bould to take over, and I saw every game big Steve played at highbury and loved the mans strength and passion,but how he sits next to wenger match after match without moving an inch is beyond me, Steve show some feelings ,punch the idiot in the face and just walk off. I’m luckier than most,I have retired early and spend most of my days playing golf ,gardening and being relaxed, but being relaxed is getting harder with my blood presure in orbit most days thanks to the madness of being an arsenal fan. Thank goodness I no longer have to go into work to be slaughtered by workmates .I just don’t know what to hope for Saturday,it’s a no win situation. Perhaps the best think that could happen is kroenke sells the stadium for development ,closes the club down, and we could all go our own ways and put the whole thing down as a nightmare.

  30. SirHeppe

    Simeone would be a massive appointment considering what he’s doing in Spain. Would be a huge achievement to get him right now.

    For me it comes down to de Boer or Martinez. But the idea that we’d struggle to replace Wenger is not an argument to keep him on. It’s that kind of thinking that will bring the club down.

    Some would support Wenger through relegation. I hope the great man lifts the cup and leaves on a high.

    I also hope all Arsenal fans would back the new manager and give him time. Rather than just be snide and complain that we lost Wenger because of the negativity of fans. We need to unite behind the next manager, whoever that might be. Scary times, but exciting.

  31. TitsMcgee

    Quality article that- thanks for posting it. The walls are caving in wherever you look.”

    He was spot on in so many ways.

    Not drawing reference to the atrocities that Hitler was responsible for but Wenger really is in the last days of the Fuhrer-bunker with the war long being lost. I don’t know if the Russians are in Berlin yet but they are not far away.

    I wonder who will be his “Himmler” or “Goering” from the movie Downfall.

  32. Leedsgunner

    N5

    Rule No 10: Do not spend money… unless you are forced to by an embarrassing result in the middle of transfer window.

    Rule No. 11: Remember, bad results are best forgotten. Most people will forget them if you give them enough time. Promote the next game, the reaction from a bad loss as the IMPORTANT THING.

  33. Cesc Appeal

    Good line from Arseblog, even they are ripping into the manager today:

    “There are no inheritance issues here. He’s brought every single one of them to the club, so their inability to perform is down to him. We need to look at Arsene as a reason why there’s this collapse. It’s not the first time it’s happened, the players are different, the common denominator is him.”

  34. gambon

    The game moves forward, wenger hasnt, simple.

    Since the age of 21 I have been a huge poker fan, played online significantly, and I would say in 2007 or so i was probably one of the top cash game players in the UK, and definitely one of the best heads up players anywhere in the world. I was well ahead of the crowd, who thought they knew what they were doing but were lost as to the advanced concepts of the game.

    I made a lot of money through to about 2011 playing 20 hours per week around work.

    Then after taking about a year out I started again, and the game had moved on massively. I mean massively.

    My “advanced knowledge” was now completely standard for average recreational players, and the top players were way beyond where i had been. It was a humbling experience, and i dont play a huge amount these days, just a bit for fun.

    Wenger has been left behind by young, smart managers, as has Moyes.

    Time to leave.

  35. Romford Pele

    “The common denominator is him”

    Yeah this is my view. Sure, the landscape has changed, different barriers have been thrown up but this is why you adapt and adopt otherwise you get left behind. You can’t keep blaming others. When you’re always part of the problem, you need to look closer to home.

  36. Fowler

    Sadly, I agree with everything written. I actually don’t see how anyone can disagree with anything written in the blog. It’s sad it has come to this and I’m wengers biggest fan but the time has come for a change.

    This club has massive potential. 140+ million in the bank. Almost 300m p/a in revenues. Massive fan base. World class stadium. Top facilities. Amazing young players. Important players on long term deals.

    I do worry if the board will get the next appointment right when you consider the lack of football expertise on it and the seemingly complete reliance on wenger.

    However, If we get the next appointment right this club can go right to the very top. We just need a philosophy of striving for the best which I feel sadly has disappeared and replaced with ‘4th place will do’.

    Let’s not fear change!

  37. Cesc Appeal

    RP

    Exactly, we’ve been through players like Fabregas, Nasri, Van Persie, Cazorla, Ozil, Ramsey, Walcott, the shitters like Denilson, Arteta, Monreal, Djourou, Bendtner…

    The only common theme throughout all these years of failure, is Arsene Wenger. That should be the end of the argument.

  38. SurferX

    Im not going down the Hitler-analogy path- Godwin’s law and all that. But I do get where you are coming from. Everything is seemingly crumbling around him, and yet you still get the bizarre statements ‘supplementary pills cause injuries’, ‘we have only really lost once this season’, etc.

    The article comes at it from a lack of confrontation perspective- I think its issue avoidance; slight difference. This year, he has been more critical of his players than I ever remember him being. What is interesting is that he has still refused to countenance suggestions (publicly) that he has done anything wrong. Sure, he has said ‘I take the blame for the defeat’, but when challenged on the specifics of the failure, you get the ‘you have managed zero games’ avoidance.

    As a player, you’d be more than a bit pissed-off, I should think. How about arming the players with the instructions and knowledge of how they can avoid the mistakes. Like instructing the full-backs to play deeper, or whatever.

  39. Max85

    Completely agree with everyone’s comments above – absolutely time for Wenger to move on, and he should do with our thanks and gratitude.

    My concern is this: do you trust our current executive set up to adequately replace Wenger? How would they even go about the interview process when there is so little football knowledge – particularly modern football knowledge – at the higher levels?

    Even worse, Wenger would act as a consultant and bring in someone to follow his own mangement model.

    I seriously worry about the direction of the club, we could genuinely end up in the wilderness for the foreseeable if the right actions aren’t taken this summer.

  40. SpanishDave

    Is there anything in the fact that DD has been more visible with Wenger recently?
    Wengers body language has change recently, now defensive, introvert and now deluded with the hair thing.
    He would ideally expected a seat on the board, more control and a god like role over the new manager who he could control.
    This plan may not happen now so he knows that leaving the club is his only choice.
    The problem is that the owner and the CEO are the new boys compared with Wenger who has moulded their views and expectations to line up with his abilities.
    They will not sack Wenger as they have a new contract on the table. Wenger has the perfect way out as he has always said that he honours his contract. Roll up your sleeves Wenger win the cup and go out with some dignity.
    He ho he wont

  41. N5

    I’ve just been handed a list from some West Ham fucker about things that have happened since Arsenal last won a trophy! here are some of the worst!

    Pep has retired as a player, become a manager, took a year out and won 18 trophies.

    Zlatan has played for 5 different clubs and won a trophy with all of them

    Twitter has been created and gained 500 million users

    Juve have been relegated, promoted and won back to back league titles

    Wesst brom have been relegated twice, promoted twice and had 8 different managers

    Paul scholes has won 10 trophies, retired, made a comeback and won another trophy

    390 people have been caught masturbating in the street on Google street view (threw that one in for fun).

    Santos has had 24 caps for Brazil. Loooooooooooooooool

    Arsenal ladies have won 27 trophies

    52 of 92 football league clubs have won a trophy

    Things that have been invented since. ipad, iphone, twitter, instagram, BBM, Windows Vista, 7 and 8, Kindle, Blu-ray and HDTV.

    Piers Morgan has changed his opinion on Wenger 472 times

    Citeh have spent around £1,000,000,000 on players

    Members of Arsenals 2005 team have won 53 trophies elsewhere.

    There are loads more but these were the most irritating to me.

  42. london gunner

    Klopp? No thanks. I believe his injury woes are down to his training methods and his incredible high level of pressing he gets his team to do. A few seasons to many of that and you have the inevitable burnout.

    Pedro is right his a great personality but his to much of a personality his to mad and brash I think someone like Diego is better his more a cold calm tactile son of a bitch.

    I have had enough of characters and visionaries I think we need people more like diego, carlo ancelloti people who just get on with the football, who will spend the money and wont bollocks about with pointless philosophies.

    I think Klopp is an emotional choice rather than rationale one.

    His to focused on a certain playing style rather than adjusting our style and tactics per opposition, I have had enough of that kind of mindset, I want a calculating strategist not a celebrity.

  43. TitsMcgee

    “The common denominator is him”Yeah this is my view. Sure, the landscape has changed, different barriers have been thrown up but this is why you adapt and adopt otherwise you get left behind. You can’t keep blaming others. When you’re always part of the problem, you need to look closer to home.”

    Yep.

    one or twice is a coincidence. Three is bad luck(maybe) but NO WAY this is all just coincidence.

  44. Leedsgunner

    Wenger says continually and publicly that he believes in the players. He thinks “believing in” players means NOT signing reinforcements, but when you look at the league, who squads are the ones with the most confidence and togetherness?

    It’s the squads like Chelsea, Man City and yes, Liverpool where competition for places is strong and they have a common purpose that they are striving for.

    Wenger condemned his players to this sorry fate when he refused to sanction any reinforcements in January. He basically left his players to fend for themselves.

  45. TitsMcgee

    “More importantly, the Game of Thrones was good worth staying up for.”

    The Hound!!

    lol

    I’m getting tired of the Targerian woman’s character though.

  46. BlackSnake

    I agree with SurferX.

    The problem we are seeing is a manager that has lost his way, probably after going mad with power. The CEO is too scared to make a call on the man’s future due to sentimentality so he has gone mute – when was the last time he came out in support, especially since we’ve gone off the rails? It is easier for Gazidis to do nothing and hope that Wenger resigns so he can dodge the sacking bullet (and later the wrath if the wrong manager is appointed).

    Kroenke isn’t free from blame in all of this. He should never have been allowed anywhere near the club, personally I think if you’re going to invest in football you need to be passionate about it, a real fan, not a moustachioed bell piece from a country that doesn’t embrace the game.

    It all adds up to one serious cluster fuck that i’m worried will continue for another two years if that stubborn bastard doesnt throw in the towel.

  47. Ashwin Gunner

    N5, Pedro

    or anybody.

    Can you show the above facts which N5 has posted Since we won a last trophy to Wenger and the board. If they have some shame left. they will leave. If they dont, then we are in hell.

  48. Romford Pele

    But while I agree that Wenger needs to go, as others have alluded to, do we trust Gazidis to make the right appointment, especially when he was hired by Wenger to begin with. I doubt it. To the board, Bould would seem a sensible option (if he wants the job that is), but do you feel like they’d have a tab on Simeone, Klopp etc? I sincerely doubt it.

  49. bergkamplegend

    vicky : “I thought Michael Owen was an idiot when he said Arsenal would finish fifth.”

    He’s an idiot.
    Arsenal will finish 6th.

  50. TitsMcgee

    Wenger says continually and publicly that he believes in the players. He thinks “believing in” players means NOT signing reinforcements, but when you look at the league, who squads are the ones with the most confidence and togetherness?”

    It’s that sort of naivety that exposes why he is past it now.

    Can you even FATHOM Fergie or Mou doing something similar over some misplaced loyalty?

    It’s indicative that he has free reign over any and every thing underneath Arsenal’s roof.

  51. Ashwin Gunner

    I wouldn;t mind Simone. If he is able to perform under constant pressure of being fired, then he will do wonders when he comes in to Arsenal where there is much more managerial statblity. and secondly he has an eye for great strikers. Athletico under him have been producing world class strikers.

  52. tomb

    I like Bouldy , I am just not sure about him as the next manager. I feel it is a gamble which we dont need to take yet.
    If we finish 5th it is a major rebuild and we could see stars leaving. A promise of an experienced manager aka Klopp would stem that exodus.
    What ever happens we need a new manager next season as this malaise every year is hard to take.

  53. Romford Pele

    “Athletico under him have been producing world class strikers.”

    They were producing them before him mate. It’s just in the waters over there.

  54. Romford Pele

    Morata scored at the weekend. I can’t remember who called it but the shout about him being a young Torres looks more apparent the more I watch him. Slim, tall but quick across the ground and is crisp in front of goal. His finish was very clean. He’s even got that old school level one Torres trim lol

  55. Leedsgunner

    You know what the greatest tragedy will be if Arsenal falls out of the top 4 and Wenger is humiliated?

    Michael Owen will self promote himself as some footballing Nostrodamus and he’ll gain credibility for his footballing knowledge. If that is not a crime to footballing punditry I don’t know what is.

    I would use the word “knobhead” to describe him but I think that’s a bit unkind to to male genitalia everywhere.

  56. Romford Pele

    On the bright side, Rambo looked pretty sharp yesterday for someone who’s been out three months. Also, I much prefer Ox on the left.

  57. Ashwin Gunner

    N5

    it shows that an era has passed since Wenger last won anything. As i stated earlier. Second half of Wenger’s stint has made all of us a laughing stock mate.

  58. reality check

    SurferX April 7, 2014 12:42:42

    Im not going down the Hitler-analogy path- Godwin’s law and all that. But I do get where you are coming from. Everything is seemingly crumbling around him, and yet you still get the bizarre statements ‘supplementary pills cause injuries’, ‘we have only really lost once this season’, etc.

    ———————

    I missed that ”we have only really lost once this season’’ comment.

    man… Wenger is such a loser.

    What happen to him!!?? I still, even after all the bullsh!t hold a speck of respect for him, because he brought Vieira.

    But this 2013/14 Wenger is just… I dunno man.

  59. petrovic

    bould!?!,really!!,come on people please,i think the main thing this club needs if and when wenger goes is a major injection of EXCITEMENT and the appointment of bould would not do that for me.wenger bores me!gazidiz bores me!kroenke bores me!transfer windows bore me!fourth place bores me!we need someone like klopp with a bergkamp or viera involved somewhere along the way,people to add some excitement to a club that has mediocrity running right through it.

  60. Cloggs

    Kermit the Muppet aka OGL in the mail;
    …Psychologically we have lost a bit of confidence and we are not as dangerous when we have the ball as we were before….
    …We looked a little bit disjointed when we had to chase the game…
    …We want to get to the final
    (FA ) and maybe a change of competition will help us to find our form again….

    Last time we screwed up @Wembley it was, according to OGL, because “the boys were a leetle beet nervous because it was their first time at Wembley”

    Now suddenly for some reason or another this could help us to find our form again.

    He seems oblivious to the fact that every time when it really matters we succumb. The Specialist in Failure..

  61. Radio Raheem

    TitsMcGee

    For a sec I thought it’d be the end of the Hound in typical GoT style.

    Yeah Emilia Clarke isn’t the best actress. Sometimes, she does come across a bit high school in her delivery. I feel as though she always needs a good actor to bounce off. I don’t think she can dominate a screen like Cercei…ah but what do I know.

  62. Romford Pele

    “But this 2013/14 Wenger is just… I dunno man.”

    Lol, if you wanna believe the conspiracy theorists, the real Wenger got abducted in 2005.

  63. toniboy

    Simeone,Laudrup, Martinez,Klopp….are better than what we have now.

    Simeone is my favourite but we should remember he is an Athletico legend and so he has the full backing of the club etc…coaching outside that situation may not be as easy.

    Quick question: did Arteta play in all the drubbings??

    Cos his lack of mobility is getting more glaring in every game…even Kim put himself abut better than him. His first touch keeps getting away from him and he struggles when we’re countered against. Wonder if he has thought about trying Monreal or Sagna there…some pace and tackles….cos he needs to show some invention with cards he dealt himself…..anything…Pep moved Lahm into DM and it seemed to help…it surely wouldn’t be worse than this…

  64. reality check

    Romford Pele April 7, 2014 13:05:39

    “But this 2013/14 Wenger is just… I dunno man.”

    Lol, if you wanna believe the conspiracy theorists, the real Wenger got abducted in 2005.
    ———————-

    Would explain a lot lol

  65. Cesc Appeal

    The fan base is really turning now, even on usually Arsene friendly sources like Arsenal Fan TV and Arseblog

  66. Romford Pele

    “His first touch keeps getting away from him and he struggles when we’re countered against. ”

    The team as a whole struggle when they’re pressed, it’s been a feature of all the hammerings this season. Few ways to mitigate this; 1) Press back, makes for a very open end-to-end game. It’s a moot point though because a lot of our players don’t have the energy levels for this.
    2) Pass through the waves of pressing – it can be done. We did it when we beat Barca back in 2011. Once you get pass that midfield wave of pressing, you’re immediately at the back four. Jack used to be really good at this, either that or accelerating past two/three midfielders which takes them out of the game. It’s his best feature when he’s playing well.
    3) Go long. Not always pretty but pressing teams will always have a high line so if you have quick players you can catch them out with a simple ball over the top.

  67. TitsMcgee

    TitsMcGeeFor a sec I thought it’d be the end of the Hound in typical GoT style. Yeah Emilia Clarke isn’t the best actress. Sometimes, she does come across a bit high school in her delivery. I feel as though she always needs a good actor to bounce off. I don’t think she can dominate a screen like Cercei…ah but what do I know.”

    Man I would have been pissed if that happened. I kept saying to myself “Nope, they’d never, not in the first episode of the season” lol

    Him and Tywin are my favorite along with Tyrion and Giantsbane. John Snow bores me as do most of the “good guys”.

    Emilia Clarke is meh as an actress but her character is starting to annoy me for some reason.

  68. Zoran

    Romford Pele April 7, 2014 12:07:16

    “Simeone is the one I want.”

    Me too

    The first question should be: Does he wants us?

    I doubt

  69. TitsMcgee

    sanza both very hot”

    Sansa is hot but her face is starting to look fatter. I know I can’t be the only one who noticed that lol

  70. Norfolk

    I have to say guys that all of these assessments and statements of opinion dressed up as facts of what Ivan does or is capable of and what Steve Bould’s role is under AW is nothing but guesswork and laughable.
    Sorry but nobody on this blog KNOWS what goes on inside the club and or boardroom.

    Before we start taking people like Stevie Bould apart, Wenger needs to go and the board need to decide what they are going to do.
    As far as I am concerned SB has earned my respect.

  71. Romford Pele

    “The first question should be: Does he wants us?”

    Obviously that’s a big question. He’s an Atletico legend and has done a great job there. That said, there’s much bigger scope for growth at Arsenal. He could double his wages here, would have a massive transfer kitty and has some good talent to work with. That said, he doesn’t speak English and is a notorious hothead, the board wouldn’t have a clue how to handle him.

    Give me 5 mins with him though and he’ll accept – guaranteed.

  72. Leedsgunner

    Whoever does the scouting for Atletico Madrid deserved to be kidnapped and brought over here.

    Aguero, Falcao, Diego Costa….

    It’s not even worth bearing to thinking about who Arsenal had to muddle along with whilst these world class strikers were plying their trade at that club.

    *Sigh*

  73. toniboy

    RP,

    True about the team but with a slow core i.e. Arteta and Per it just too easy.

    On the long ball, good but we need quick players or revert to 442 so that the Ken doll can knock on to Poldi. That way you can play a more solid player on the wings…

  74. Radio Raheem

    TitsM

    Yeah I also like the nutters in it. The show has combines a lot of doubles, like each individual is part an invervese other, the right side of the left side of a brain, a ying to a yang…and it works!

    Khaleesi’s parts were boring yesterday. I don’t think we needed that reprieve if we can call menacing dragons and hanging dead children that.

    The banter between the imp and his guard is brilliant.

  75. Romford Pele

    “Arteta and Per it just too easy.”

    Per can be accounted for if we have quick forwards, a proper DM and move to a more counterattacking style. Arteta is a big problem though, he plays in the most important area of the pitch and pretty much just gets overrun now.

    Overall we do need quicker players; which is why it’s baffling that Ox doesn’t start considering the little bursts he brings and the energy in general. He’s very compatible with someone like Rosicky.

    Still not the biggest 442 fan though I do acknowledge it has its uses. 4231 is what most teams, including ourselves, play. I think it’s a great formation, just needs better upgrades in certain positions.

  76. paul mc daid

    Norfolk, the whole football world knows exactly what goes on inside the club and the boardroom,its exactly like you say,GUESSWORK AND LAUGHABLE.

  77. Romford Pele

    “Yes, I forgot about Torres. It hardly seems fair does it? What are they doing that we are not doing that is the question.”

    To be fair mate, it’s not just us, everyone can learn from them! And without trying to be too pedantic, Falcao and Aguero arrived for sizeable fees – still, your point stands.

  78. vp

    Surfer X

    ‘’Well, be careful vp- I know what you are saying- but I’m not sure about them believing that the best way of delivering long-term shareholder-wealth is by sitting on a cash mountain (it isn’t in anyone’s book)’’
    ——————————————————————————————————————
    I don’t personally believe that sitting on a cash mountain is the best way to deliver Long term Shareholder wealth neither, and to be honest, the directors most probably don’t. In Kroenke’s book I really do think it is. It ultimately comes down to the risk appetite of the investor. The board are working within the constraints imposed upon them by Kroenke, with Risk being very high up on that list. They have to deliver returns to him on that basis.

    Funnily enough, I think that doing nothing at all and letting the money pile is a risk in itself, but one that for whatever reason the board are willing to accept. Perhaps because it’s less riskier (in their eyes) then spending it and getting it wrong.

    I guess it touches upon the classic (cash) liquidity vs profit trade-off. We have an owner who is more inclined to merit the former when appraising investments due to his stance on risk.

    To all intents and purposes we appear to be the ‘’cash cow’’ of his portfolio (content with consistent, small guaranteed returns at low risk) to consolidate the positions of the other businesses in the portfolio. Until our club is re positioned on his portfolio, then it is inevitable that we will continue to pursue mediocrity. The most frustrating thing about this is that our fate is hugely dependent on how his other sports teams are performing-not necessarily just us.

  79. salparadisenyc

    Top post Pedro,

    I’m optimistic about what lies ahead, the time for change has been slogging on for seasons with AW trying to find the magic and it now finally seems were coming to the waters of change. Important to note the board have been on a free ride for well over a decade its time for them to step up and do the right thing, that is if they can step up.

    I do like the idea of putting in an Arsenal man and Bould is the obvious selection, Vieira or DB10 would also be on the shortlist for me. The others have all been mentioned and their a few young hungry managers that could probably turn this side into a competitive machine in no time. Cannot be denied it would be a coup for anyone to land this post, Wenger may not leave a winner but the club is undeniably in a great position to press on to the next level and have a new era of glory.

  80. Leedsgunner

    Romford

    My point is that players like Torres were either developed, discovered externally, targetted, and bought and nurtured to a WC standard.

    I thought we had such a scouting network… ha, ha, ha! Yah, right!

  81. london gunner

    radio raheem

    mate have not seen it yet! so can we not talk about the latest episode

    Tits

    Haven’t seen the latest season so im guessing your saying her face is fatter in this one, as it didn’t seem fatter in the last season to me.

    Young red head amazing eyes, posh and acts like she needs some cock to cheer her up! Shes a hottie lol!

    Is her face just fatter but not her body? that would be really weird lol imagining a fat face on a thin body never seen that before!

  82. DUIFG

    Think its third party owners club of choice Athletico, up there with Porto, so they are getting a lot of the south american talent. tbf only torres was a local kid.

  83. Ashwin Gunner

    RP

    for 4231 you need to have a out and out striker who can shoot and can dribble past players. We have players we need for all other position minus striker.

    Top purchases of this summer
    1) A good manager
    2) better scouting network
    3) A WC striker
    4) A WC box to box midfilder to compliment Rambo
    5) DMF

  84. Marko

    Maybe Spurs will move for Wenger in the summer. That’d be nice. But in all seriousness for me it goes Klopp, Simeone, Low, Pocchettino, DeBeor, Vieira. I wouldn’t touch Laudraup or Martinez they flatter to decieve.

  85. Cesc Appeal

    N5

    EVERYBODY DIES…EVERYONE…EVEN THE DRAGONS, WHAT KIND OF A SICK FUCK KILLS OFF DRAGONS?

    DAMN YOU GEORGE RR MARTIN, DAMN YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

    😉

  86. london gunner

    Yeah everyone has turned on Wenger even arseblog wants him to step down at the end of the season.

    Loved this paragraph shows how pathetic we are

    “The timidity was evident when Ross Barkley pushed over Mikel Arteta late in the game. Leaving aside the ludicrousness of the Spaniard ending up with a yellow card for objecting to this, where were his teammates? Nowhere. Standing passively watching one of their most experienced players get shoved around by a youngster and ganged up on by other Everton players. Regardless of the fact the game was up, that no Arsenal player reacted to come to the defence of his friend summed us up perfectly. Passionless, unable to muster a bit of fight when the situation demanded it.”

  87. MK

    Its crazy how the top 5 teams have absolutely annihilated away from home. I mean to me just says a lack of preparation and planning. The players dont look like they know what they are doing AT ALL!!! 6-3, 5-1, 6-0, 3-0 its just plain embarassing!! I agree pedro its the same mistakes over and over again. Rambo and Walcott were both injured in december, Giroud on his last legs and he goes and buys a crocked midfielder from god knows where. I mean WTF!!! I like the Martinez guy he could do a job, but hey how bout a Diego Simeone from Athletico Madrid????

  88. DUIFG

    I know hindsight is 20/20 but Arteta was bought 3 years two late. A nice guy, but a nice guy whose legs have completely abandoned him.

    He wasnt exacly a planned purchase, he was brought in as Wenger lost his mind in 2011. tbf that first season he marshalled that midfiled very well, managed to get 3rd place trophy. Without him it would have been ugly.

  89. Dale Rios

    Arteta was never good enough for Arsenal, not as an attacking midfielder,central midfielder or defensive.

    That is my problem with Wenger, buys all these sub par players and thinks if he tells them enough times they have mental strength and qualidee they will win trophies.

  90. SpanishDave

    If Bould was the next manager the backroom staff would not change.
    The injuries would be the same, the attitude would be the same, it would prolong the stagnation.
    The Russian needs to start making noises, unfortunetly he has always said he believes in Wenger.
    Two billionare shareholders and this mess, its very strange.

  91. Romford Pele

    Ashwin, wouldn’t really wanna go into a game with 2 B2B midfielders, prefer one who sits deeper permanently. Agree otherwise though.

  92. Cesc Appeal

    london

    I was sat with a mate and we both said the same, Flamini would have been straight in his face.

    Your CB’s are suppose to be your tough guys, they should have been straight over into Barkley’s face.

    See Baines after, you could lip read him saying to Arteta ‘I’ve got to defend my player haven’t I?’

    Where are the Arsenal players doing that???

  93. DUIFG

    Wenger used to know the score, his invincibles had wiltord, nice auxillary strriker/winger full of pace. Where is our mirallas type, invaluable squad players. Our squad player pod is a liability most games, pops up every 3rd to score. He is part of the problem, no pace, no creativity. very easy to mark. we need more.

  94. Romford Pele

    “Your CB’s are suppose to be your tough guys”

    Yup. I love BFG but he’s more one to break up a fight rather than assert his height and dominance on an individual. And the less said about TV5, the better.

  95. Zoran

    Romford

    Not speaking English should not be a problem. Pochetino doesn’t either, and nobody sees there a problem.
    Giving you 5 minutes, that you offer him 7,5m, this is where I doubt also. There we have to ask that cunt across the ocean, and there is where I doubt, knowing.

    That’s then another question.
    I believe a lot of our problems would be solved, if not all, if we had also a sugar daddy, and we should not look elsewhere: Alisher Usmanov is a proven goner, and most important, he is ready to help.

    Let’s not forget, he is the richest man in England. What should we want more?????

  96. Cesc Appeal

    RP

    Exactly, when I was in U14’s or whatever me and my mate Adam were the CB’s for our side…we use to love a tear up. A dodgy tackle, leaving your mark on someone, the striker rightfully (lol) get’s in the defenders face you IMMEDIATELY charge in with some appropriate mix of words and spit along the lines of ‘Yeah…Yeah? You wanna fucking go prick?!!’

    It doesn’t matter if your player is in the wrong, you defend them. I actually thought that moment summed up Arsenal FC perfectly, cowards, no fight, no bottle and shy away from the big moments where we look for people to step forward.

  97. Zoran

    “The Russian needs to start making noises, unfortunetly he has always said he believes in Wenger.”

    He is Uzbekian, and apart of that he like more Titi.

    And there I wouldn’t have any objection if he brings him.

  98. Keyser

    Not really sure about the hothead thing for Simeone, even as a player he seemed cold and caluclated getting Beckham sent off for England.

    Agree with the board it’s not about handling him though, it’s about giving the manager enough stability to concentrate on the team, Wenger has basically been trying to balance an entire club if you believe the hyperbole to the point where it’s just another season.

    There are no easy solutions, like Atletico you don’t have to look far into it to realise how they’ve had the strikers they’ve had, Costa’s been there for 6 years, Aguero came in for 23 million Euro’s and Falcao was funded by 3rd party ownership.

    http://www.therichest.com/sports/soccer-sports/selling-your-soul-radamel-falcao-controlled-by-third-party-ownership/

    “After Falcao gained exposure to European audiences from his time at Porto, Doyen decided it was time for the next step. Atlético Madrid were in need of a clinical striker, but had debts hovering around €500 million ($684 million USD). In august of 2011, Doyen stepped in and agreed to finance 55% of Falcao’s €40 million transfer fee in exchange for 55% of his registration rights, meaning Atlético only had to pay Porto €18 million.”

    Another thing I found interesting was that one of the people behind Southampton’s supposed Youth talent had moved onto Fulham a few years ago and is now one of the reasons why Fulham have won the Academy League for the past 2 seasons.

  99. Cesc Appeal

    N5

    You must’ve seen it coming 😉

    I’m guna wait for the season to finish and then watch them all back to back on line – I guess I’m just a hugely impatient person and don’t like 7 day breaks between episodes, especially GoT that can give you a last minute sucker punch from the depth of hells in a show that leaves you feeling hollow the next day at work. Taking it out on your keyboard growling ‘fuck you Lannisters!!’

    Which makes me think Arsenal are 100% the wrong club to support.

  100. Romford Pele

    Zoran – Apparently Pochettino does speak English, he just chooses not to in conferences. Why? No idea.

    I think if he wanted to come, we could definitely offer him more than enough money. Usmanov would be great too but Kroenke won’t sell so it’s a pointless discussion. Anyway, even without him, there is still loads of money there.

  101. Minion

    Owen was right along. No one even saw it coming like him even Gary Neville. He has earned my respect as a pundit.

  102. gazzap

    The balance of probability is that we will win the cup and finish 4th (Everton’s fixtures are much harder than ours) so under those circumstances, Wenger will extend his contract.
    #wengerout
    #DeBoer4AFC

  103. Romford Pele

    “It doesn’t matter if your player is in the wrong, you defend them. I actually thought that moment summed up Arsenal FC perfectly, cowards, no fight, no bottle and shy away from the big moments where we look for people to step forward.”

    Yeah I used to love a scruff and I was just a casual winger! Added to the spice of the game. We definitely are a bit of a flower boy team IMO. I guess it’s partly why people love Simeone and Klopp – you see their energy on the touchline.

  104. Romford Pele

    “Another thing I found interesting was that one of the people behind Southampton’s supposed Youth talent had moved onto Fulham a few years ago and is now one of the reasons why Fulham have won the Academy League for the past 2 seasons.”

    Interesting – may be part of the reason why Magath is blooding in so many youngsters atm at the expense of experienced stars like Bent and Mitroglu.

    That Patrick Roberts definitely looks to have something about it.

  105. N5

    Lol Cesc, that’s normally how I do it too, but I have a million shows on the go at the moment and I never have time for any of them, so GoT is my priority! The other is Walking Dead, but that’s for the wife, I’m sick of that now.

  106. Keyser

    They were 3-0 down, this is more worrying maybe, depending how far you want to read into it.

    Rosicky’s 33, Arteta 32, Flamini, Mertesacker, Cazorla in their late 20’s, that’s almost all of our midfield and one of the slowest centre-backs in the history of Arsenal ?

    There is only soo much they’re going to be able to do, the margin for any tactic, any formation, or anysort of positive result is that much smaller, yesterday wasn’t a shock, we’ve seen the lower end of the what this teams capable of.

    The more worrying thing is that they don’t have much more to give and that encapsulates the club right now, we’ve let the playing side of the club run down to this point, it’s also the almost the exact point where there should be a turnaround at least off the pitch.

  107. Kola

    Can we not quickly build Wenger’s burst and give him 2 years wages to retire.
    No doubt, he has been a true servant but my analogy few years ago still holds.
    Nobody must stay in power for too long. Ferguson was an exception because he was a different animal and he had his own weakness but he enjoyed a lot of favour because of the way he pulls the strings.

    There is a reason why we have democracy. Look at Mugabe etc., after some years they become inept plus they become dictators. The problem Wenger has now is that he is a dictator. Nobody questions him. When you are in a job that nobody questions you, your performance starts deteriorating. Unfortunately, he has built an habit that he cannot change again so it is time for him to go. Tony Adams said on Sky Sports few years ago that Arsene used to discuss forthcoming matches with senior players and coaches and seeks for advice in his early days, now he doesn’t because he is power drunk.

    I agree with Pedro, its not a big name we need. We just need a motivated Manager. Nobody knew Wenger. And to be honest, nobody really knew Mourihno, Rogers. Big manager is overrated. Another thing we need right now is to get football guys that are young and passionate into the board and administration of the club. All the guys bar 1 or 2 are dudes.

    Wenger, we appreciate what you have done but your time is up.

  108. salparadisenyc

    Gazzap

    I don’t agree, the nature of the beatings this season has left Wenger untenable imo. You can predict them coming .

    4th place trophy or not, the man is shot as the manager of AFC.

    On that note I’m not convinced well make 4th, can we recover any sort of form and win? Everton will drop points, we could possible drop more with the easier run of games. It looks pretty dire to my eye.

  109. Cesc Appeal

    RP

    Exactly, I think our weakness stems from Wenger’s “could not care less attitude on the touchline.”

  110. N5

    @Kola, they were never going to question him whilst he was maintaining fourth and getting ECL money.

    This year could be very different! £42 million layout on a player and 5th could cause Stans wig to fall off.

  111. london gunner

    Not that impressed with the Southampton manager, for me his got a better squad than spurs and one that rivals Evertons yet his behind them in the league.

    His competent and a good manager no doubt but he doesn’t strike me as a great manager, i think most of southamptons success is down to the wonderful work they have done with developing and bring in talent over the past few years and the current manager is milking that.

    The football they play as a team is just not that great for me its more down to the talent of the players than the manager.

    Don’t really get why people rave on about him tbh, if you actually look what his done his made a midtable club go up may 1 or 2 places in the league..

  112. Cesc Appeal

    N5

    All my friends go on about Walking Dead, I’ll have to watch it.

    Watching that house of cards, started off loving it, but toward the end of season 1 I’m starting to get bored.

    Fantastically written and acted, but it just has that smug sort of “oh look how clever we are” feel to it…

  113. Keyser

    It doesn’t really matter what Everton’s fixtures are, it’s basically momentum now, Everton have got fuckall pressure and all the momentum, little to no injuries and a rested squad.

    A bit like United except they’ve also got the return leg to Munich this week ? Maybe Moyes has finally got them going, or simply you can’t be that shit from a team who won the league last year and have spent 60 odd million adding to it.

    How long ago does that seem, it feels like Man United as Champions and Fergie as manager was years ago.