Would you share a stadium with Spurs?

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Pretty hard sitting through any sort of news today because of all the totally sh*t publisher bantz that went off yesterday. The joke of it is there’s no humour in publications that make their money talking lies, publishing purposeful lies for a joke.

The joke would have been an outrageous story that was actually true.

So basically I have very little chat today. One of the totally hilarious articles was about a stadium share with Spurs. Now, I know people would spit their cornflakes out at that, but if Arsenal charged £30m a season for the privilege, would you have it? Wouldn’t that be hilarious? Oh thanks Spurs, we just bought Draxler with your fans money!

‘LOLOLOLOLOLOL’

What a laugh we’d have there! I mean, jokes aside. From a practical sense, building your own stadium these days is a massive risk. It’s also a waste if you can share. I mean, really, I’m talking about that Olympic Stadium. That should be going to Spurs and West Ham.  After all, it’s a tax gift. Shouldn’t the tax payer be getting double the fee?

Wow, The Express inspired two paragraphs from me!

In other news, I’m a bit in fear of the end of the season, but then I remembered it’s WORLD CUP!

You know what that means for Arsenal? An amazing double excuse not sign players. They’re always too busy to sign because everyone is on holiday for the first two weeks of the window. Then the World Cup starts and players don’t talk. Then you get the World Cup premium after. I can see it already. Sad times. At least there will be plenty of sport to gorge on! Despite the mess the tournament has thrown up in the build-up. Puts Arsenal’s project planners on a decent pedestal eh!? I do find it shocking how many people have died on building sites in Brazil. I mean, slag off our health and safety, but you don’t often hear of builders in this country dying on site.

Anyway, enough of my xenophobic views on health and safety. What else is going on?

Well, I was having a look at Chambo and thinking about that game he played against Spurs where he was totally useless. I was pondering it. Pondering hard.

Why was he so bad against Chelsea?

He hadn’t been bad before that? Then I looked at the games he’d played. Remember, he’d been out with a really serious injury. He’s going back into a side that is depleted, and he’s been played a lot. Theo Walcott had been eased in, then he played 5 games in 16 games. Then BOOM, he pings something.

So I spoke to an NHS physio who works part time in rugby, he shot me in the direction of something called central nervous system fatigue. I’m not going to lie, it’s above my pay scale, but the jist seems to be that when you chronically fatigue a body, it starts reducing messages to the muscles, making them slightly less reactive to things going on around them (Theo’s body couldn’t deal with the jolt in the ground).

What? That was a poor explanation? Digest this then… bear with it as well… I know it’s a Wiki, but I’m a topline kind of guy and if you want a deeper understanding, jump on a course:

‘Central nervous system fatigue is a key component in preventing peripheral muscle injury. Through a deeper understanding of this fatigue, we can elicit greater knowledge on how the brain manages the body and to what extent it does so. The brain has numerous receptors, such asosmoreceptors, to track dehydration, nutrition, and body temperature. With that information as well as peripheral muscle fatigue information, the brain can reduce the quantity of motor commands sent from the central nervous system. This is crucial in order to protect the homeostasis of the body and to keep it in a proper physiological state capable of full recovery. The reduction of motor commands sent from the brain increases the amount of perceived effort an individual experiences. By forcing the body through a higher perceived intensity, the individual becomes more likely to cease exercise by means of exhaustion. Perceived effort is greatly influenced by the intensity of corollary discharge from the motor cortex that affects the primary somatosensory cortex. Endurance athletes learn to listen to their body. Protecting organs from potentially dangerous core temperatures and nutritional lows is an important brain function. Central nervous system fatigue alerts the athlete when physiological conditions are not optimal so either rest or refueling can occur. It is important to avoid hyperthermia and dehydration, as they are detrimental to athletic performance and can be fatal’

Now, looking at Chambo, he’s been out a long time. He plays a high intensity game against Everton in the cup, he has a good game. 3 days later, he plays a very good game against the most intense side in the world (Bayern away from home). Remember, players come back late on the plane, they probably don’t sleep well, then Arsene trains them hard a day or two later. This time he gets 4 days between games (but remember, Arsene rarely gives them rest time like other clubs, he believes in hard training and it’s a backpage story if our boys get a day off), we play Spurs and his game drops. The whole teams game drops and we barely deserve the win. Then 6 days later he’s played AGAIN against Chelsea in the centre of midfield, he has a complete shocker, he’s all over the place and he’s yanked at half time.

I know what you’re thinking. Was his primary somatosensory cortex affected by the previous 16 days’ worth of brutalisation? Possibly. I can’t tell. But read around on this stuff, then look at what we do.

THEN GET FURIOUS WHEN STAN SAYS YEARS WORTH OF INJURIES ARE BAD LUCK.

You don’t need access to the data to see that our players aren’t looked after like Liverpool’s or Chelsea’s. When was the last time we played at an intense pace or speed? I guess the big test will be this weekend. We’re playing a Martinez side that has pace and power all over the park as well as being on a good run. They’re pretty damn good at Goodison Park. A draw would be a good result for us. But do watch the pace they come at us. Martinez will have them rested this week. He’ll have them charged and ready to smash into us in the first 35minutes. They’ll press our midfield hard and they’ll be going all out for the win. They have to win if they want top 4. After Everton, we’re playing teams on their holidays that lack quality. It’s a massive, massive game.

We blame inexperience. Sure, that’s part of it. But surely the big issue is brutalising a teenager for two weeks and not giving him adequate rest? Clearly, unless he’s a robot, he was dying on his backside.

 

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  1. bigper

    much like wenger was when he first arrived, mourinho was quite revolutionary when he first came onto the scene, however since then other managers have caught up and are just as good tactically if not better

  2. Revving Kevin

    Eyemsick
    This is a Wenger out blog often there is a lot of hate for him. This means they will use anything g possible to beat him up. The injuries is one thing. They won’t accept the impact the stadium has had at a tine when the Russian arrived. They say 9 years but don’t even try to mitigate years 1, 2 or 3 they won’t accept any excuses. Start of season the top two goals are to win Prem League and get in Champs League. We get in Champs League but they call it 4th place trophy and moan they want to win capital one cup! All media talk about are the top 4 places. We do it AND pay for a stadium. Yes Wenger has made loads of mistakes but look what we have done. Every season champs league. Funny thing is the players get called names and shit, the manager is useless, so how do we do this then? They do to believe in. Luck so what is this miracle?

  3. Cesc Appeal

    TYAGN

    The most annoying thing is their hypocrisy.

    Like, bet your arse they’ll say ‘well you cant trust Swiss Ramble.’

    Yet they’ll want us all to shut up and just take the statement of Lewin that our injuries are well handled and bad luck, or Henry’s statement and make the absurd inference that Arsenal were on the money with Suarez…

  4. eyemsick

    N5 April 2, 2014 19:14:51

    this 100m you talk about, is cash reserves, and like any good household thats the kitty for the rainy day. its not there for wenger to go spend on agents and diva players while we still have banks to repay. you dont live of your savings, you live off your profits, especially in a period of economic restrictions….if it was another time then yes maybe it would make sense to invest some of it. as for kallstrom, well it shows we needed that extra body in midfield and he is a fine option. what did you expect ? not even kloze could come…did you think we could get a cavani or suarez in january?

  5. Thank you and goodnight

    @Cesc Appeal

    These people are plague on our club mate, it’s why the board and Wenger can do what they want because the zombie sheep will swallow any shit they’re given. You ask them what oil money has got to do with tactics, what oil money has to do with setting a team up with clear and concise instructions so every one knows what’s expected of them, what oil money has to do with playing players out of position, or what oil money has got to do with majority of players regressing under wenger……and watch how they come back with no money, stadium, oil money etc etc etc

  6. Cesc Appeal

    eyemsick

    “this 100m you talk about, is cash reserves, and like any good household thats the kitty for the rainy day.”

    Er hem, it’s £154 Million and that’s a ridiculous statement, we could buy another football club in the Premiership with that money.

    Unless this ‘rain day’ you speak of Noahesque, biblical in proportion that’s mental.

    And actually at any one time Arsenal withhold £22 Million of it for safety, so there’s around £120 Million FREE of it.

    You’re looking for excuses and getting things wildly wrong.

  7. Cesc Appeal

    TYAGN

    They’re like Alec Baldwin at the end of team America where he gets all flustered.

    ‘Errr, err global warming….err…err…corporate America…err….err…the military complex…er’

  8. eyemsick

    i hear you revving kev but we are not talking about wenger, we are talking about the club having to repay the stadium….thank god they had wenger and his financial nous or else they are so clueless it could have all collapsed…as for titles..well this wasnt the period to expect big stuff. still though they came close at times. they got ozil now, they seem able to spend more. maybe the worst is past us. and what was the worse? 4th? ehhh ok so in our worst ever period and while having to repay ground and with seismic changes in the premier league ( city chelsea) we dropped from 1-2 to 3-4…big deal…..some need to see the bigger picture..

  9. Emiratesstroller

    Revving Kevin

    How many years should we stick at 4th? There will come a time when we fail
    to make even that place. It could happen even this year if Everton beat us on
    Weekend.

    Take a look at Everton. They have antiquated stadium, a fraction of the money
    at disposal of Arsenal, but can you honestly say that they are a poorer team than us?

    In most walks of life in 21st century there comes a point when management or
    leadership reaches the end of its shelf life. In my view Wenger has. Ferguson
    knew when to go, but the question is does Wenger?

  10. N5

    eyemsick, the payments to the bank are fixed rate so it’s irrelevant how much we have in the bank, we will always have to pay the same amount freeing up the rest for players payments etc. I can handle not wasting it, but when you need players and you take KK on a free there is issues there, be it with Wenger or our scouts.

    Although saying that, he did look very good against Swansea, but that is off point.

    I can handle your counter view and welcome it, but I hate it when people say the haters know nothing whilst simultaneously saying what is “actually” happening at the club! it’s hypocritical.

  11. Uchmangunnernaija

    The extent to which some people go to defend Wenger is funny sometimes. These bunch would rather spend their time bringing up excuses like stadium , oil money etc. Therefore their view is so one way street because they never have the time to sit back,and try to analyse things like how we can move from mediocrity to being great.
    What I don’t understand is why this people can’t see that the last few years have all been following the same pattern!

  12. Cesc Appeal

    Can you imagine Wenger as a team principle for an F1 team?

    ‘Tyres are in the red boss…need to bring him in.’

    ‘One more lap.’

    ‘Yeah, you said that 10 laps ago, his performance as fallen off a cliff.’

    ‘One more lap.’

    ‘Ohhh, all four tyres have blown.’

    ‘Ahhh! Every year this happens…we have the worst luck with tyres!.’

  13. Davido

    Eyemsick, my problem with AKBs in general is they ignore the simple things that every fan knew but Wenger stubbornly decided to willfully ignore just to score ego-points at the expense of the club moving forward.

    1. Everyone knew we needed another striker in January, every one said it and even a move akin to that Baptista move would’ve been something given we all knew he and Bendtner don’t get along and Giroud would’ve played too many games/gotten injured. Mind you, Theo was already ruled out for the season by that time and we only really had Sanogo. Not getting any striker (on loan or otherwise) is a fireable offense.

    2. Power, pace and maturity: everyone knew certain players we had over the years lacked a lot of these qualities (Denilson till he gave up on him, Diaby a lot of times, Bendtner and so many more). Wenger milked his ego ignoring these things till about 2 years ago and when he finally had a team that had some of these qualities (this Team), he did what I said in No. 1.

    When a manager starts obsessing over different battles (making small points, how we play football and all that crap) beyond his no 1 job- preparing the team and fully equipping them to succeed, he’s failed. Arsene simply doesn’t seem like he wants to move beyond things like this- look at Fergie’s career and listen to what Keane said about the Gibraltar (that’s the horse’s name, I think) situation. Keane was right to an extent but Fergie got over a lot of those issues pretty quickly and that’s what made him an excellent manager (yeah, the money helped too). At the end of the day, it’s about giving your team all the tools in our ‘arsenal’ to win. He hasn’t done that in important times the past 5 years.

  14. Arsenal 1886-2006

    Kevin

    In all fairness it was wenger who likened 4th place to a trophy, ‘Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has claimed that qualifying for the Champions League is the equivalent of winning a trophy at a fiery Annual General Meeting with the club’s supporters on Thursday morning.’
    “For me there are five trophies every season: Premier League, Champions League, the third is to qualify for the Champions League,” Wenger told the room full of assembled shareholders and some media representatives. “The fourth is the FA Cup and then the League Cup.
    http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1201095/arsene-wenger:-fourth-place-like-a-trophy?cc=5739

  15. eyemsick

    “You ask them what oil money has got to do with tactics”

    well my friend…its quite different when your tactics are played out by gilberto silva and patrick vieira and quite different with song and arteta. dont you think ? and the modern equivelants of those players are unreachable.

  16. Cesc Appeal

    N5

    “I can handle your counter view and welcome it, but I hate it when people say the haters know nothing whilst simultaneously saying what is “actually” happening at the club! it’s hypocritical.”

    I’m sat here applauding you. I told Kjafc that yesterday and Rev today. Spot on mate.

    They can’t bat away stats or quotes and then claim their evidence as fact…which they always do.

  17. N5

    PS saying did I expect Cavani or Suarez is very childish. Why do we have to jump to the absurd. How about Draxler? Costa? or the 40 or so other players mentioned over the past few months.

    How can any team go into the season with only 1 real striker, 1 sub striker and 1 that can’t make the subs bench? it’s indefensible. And get this, I’m not even one of the doomers I’m just an Arsenal supporter that would like the best for his club.

  18. tunnygriffboy

    Schezzer, Gibbs, Walcott, Ramsey, Ox, Koscielney have all improved while at Arsenal. I love the fact we play youngsters and develop them. The time has now come with our money reserves to add some WC talent and additional support to them.

  19. Revving Kevin

    Thank you and goodnight
    @Cesc Appeal
    Don’t even bother mate you won’t get through to these people. Take yourself off to bed and save your brain cells mate. Seriously these people are used by the secret services for torturing suspects…..5 min of “bloody oil money, wenger built the stadium, we’re skint, KK was a great signing my wife thinks he’s brilliant” and you’d confess to being jack the ripper.”

    The Master Debater is back with a pearler. He could sleep for 24 hours every day and he’ld still make the local village idiot look like Brain of Britain. According to BOB the WOB, supporting Wenger means you work for the secret service and torture suspects!!

    At least he’s left his dictionary at home so the four letter swear words are missing. Thats a start.

    By the way I wish I was in the secret service. I would use my finely honed skills to find tyags address and visit him in the small hours. I would tie an elastic band around Killer, my Dobermans testicals, lace his food with double strength Viagara and set my iPhone to video recording. I would then upload to you lube, I mean you tube.

    Now where did I put that sat nav…

  20. N5

    Cheers Cesc, I will debate with anyone and I honestly enjoy the back and fourth but I can’t stand arguments like this eyemsick is making!

    He states we all make spurious comments to suit an agenda but then make ones like this rainy day comment it beggers belief! when you have a fortune that is worth more than 18 other teams savings in your league added together but still only sign KK on a free then why can’t we question that?

  21. Keyser

    Go on Cesc Appeal, so we have 154 million in cash reserves.

    How much was free to spend in the summer ? Did Swiss Ramble quote a figure ? Did we spend any of it ?!

  22. eyemsick

    Davido

    we went for kloze, real bomber, not a permanent solution but a very decent call. if lazio wont give up klose what chances have you got to get something better from a better/bigger team?

    i think you guys are obsessed with wenger. i talk about the club, the manager is secondary. important of course but not the ultimate decission maker or maker of club policy. in the end of the day if arsenal, the club, the owners, wanted to make statement of intent they would have got him suarez at the summer and say to him ” bring us the title”. i dont think that has happened in the last 8 years…..

    as for fergie he had money to spend and the club policy was to go and dominate. in arsenal the policy from owners was do just enough to make it into champions league. now they are changing that. we’ll see….

  23. Emiratesstroller

    Eyemsick

    I am afraid that you are talking garbage.

    Fiszman when he renegotiated finances AFTER stadium was built secured a
    repayment package which was so favourable that there was no pressure to
    make any significant impact on spending money on team. I think the annual
    cost was about £20 million, which is about 7% of revenue.

    However new major shareholder and Board made decision to reduce debt more rapidly.

    When Swiss Rambler published his annual report I looked at the financial reserves of all clubs in EPL and rest of Europe. There is no other club with reserves close to £100 million let alone what we have got and in many cases
    much larger debt.

    Liverpool who have made significant losses in recent years have only cash reserves of about £5 million. The fact that they can match or outperform us on
    such limited finances says it all.The difference is that their owners are willing
    to invest properly in team.

    Most Arsenal supporters including myself want to see the club achieve success. However, there comes a point when even the most blinkered supporter
    needs to recognise that it is unlikely to happen with current regime.

  24. Cesc Appeal

    N5

    “He states we all make spurious comments to suit an agenda but then make ones like this rainy day comment it beggers belief!”

    I’ve argued with some people on here, and I’ve read some stuff that makes you think, what? But that…that, seeing someone describe £154 Million as rainy day fund ‘like any good household’ will go up on my wall of Le Grove WTF’s.

  25. Revving Kevin

    Arsenal 1886
    Yes he did and yet again Wenger was right. To finish 4th is important. You claim to be a big club you need to play in Champ League. We do every season even when building the stadium. Huge achievement. As a fan I want to champ league nights. Attracts best players. Capital one or FA cup and 5th means Spursday Cup. 6th means disaster, even with FA cup.

    It’s controversial but my opinion.

  26. Cesc Appeal

    eyemsick

    So no one better than Giroud in 2 summers and 2 January’s? No on better than Sanogo or Bendtner…in the world, anywhere?

  27. Cesc Appeal

    Rev

    “It’s controversial but my opinion.”

    Absolutely, and you are absolutely entitled to your opinion and shouldn’t be abused for it and should be open to debate it the same way my opinion is reverse to yours a lot of the time.

  28. Keyser

    N5 – Mate, I hope you’re just as critical when people flaunt unfounded accusations.

    It’s actually funny, Colin Lewin can’t be trusted, despite him being a reknowned physio in top level sports, but we can look at physio room and make definitive statements.

    John Henry the Liverpool owner can’t be trusted because he has an agenda, why can’t he be trusted ? Well, erm, because who says so ? You know, the media, umm, well newspapers and so on.

    ..and yet look how quick people are to use the hypocrite term or call others names, I hope you take a stand on that to.

    I don’t mind, I’ll tell revvin Kevin to tone it down, or let anyone else know if you want, in the end whether it’s Jeff, Cesc Appeal, Kjafc or whoever they’re as bad as each other.

  29. Revving Kevin

    Dear N5
    Agree we should have bought a striker in pre-season and again in January. This I do blame Wenger for. I know he tried Suarez but need a fall back. He wasn’t to know Walcott would get serious injury but there you go.

  30. N5

    Keyser, of course I would sir if it was said as fact. I would never say anyone is right on wrong when were having an opinionated conversation, but I will call hypocrisy on anyone saying I have an agenda by asking questions and my question/opinions are bullshit but theirs are fact.

    If eyemsick had ended his comment with “of course this is my opinion” and hadn’t started it with everyone is wrong I would have a reasoned conversation with him, but he went straight to the “oh who did you expect us to sign Cavani or Suarez” and as Cesc quite rightly said are we saying there is no better than Giroud out there available right now?

    Sorry if this doesn’t make sense, I’m absolutely tired out.

  31. N5

    Thanks Rev and one thing you’ll notice I never directly blame Wenger, I know he has the final say but is there a problem with out scouts? are they just not identifying the correct players?

  32. Davido

    Eyemsick,

    See, that’s where all your points break down, its unfortunate that just like the people who irrationally pan Wenger, you resort to hearsay and rumors to back him. Wenger has been manager for how many years? He’s come out himself to say the he believes that the playing side and all decisions on that side should be from the manager so I’m going by his word and addressing that side.

    When you say we went for Klose, you start that nonsense that conveniently ignores the fact that there isn’t just striker that would’ve been a capable short/long-term help in our team, there are several. To do nothing is a ridiculously inept and this isn’t the 1st time we’ve suffered from not having numbers.

    The Suarez thing is crap, Liverpool didn’t sell and we got Ozil. End of.

  33. eyemsick

    that it is unlikely to happen with current regime.

    finally you got one word right ….regime. perhaps you understand now that when one team;s regime is to spend 100 million to go dominate and the other teams regime is to start the season with 15-20m budget and go for the champions league spots, how can the fans expect titles in these circumstances? how is that the manager’s fault? he is following policy in the first place. if anythign he did good to keep them ther. as for titles, im sorry but the owners will have to dig deep in the pockets and provide him with proper footballers.

  34. NewCo Arsenal PLC

    Just last season Arsenal’s wage-bill was £50m higher than Tottenham’s, we accommodate almost 25,000 more paying fans in our stadium than they do (and have done since 2006), and yet only finished one point ahead of them.
    Is that what you consider to be good stewardship?
    Roman Abramovich arrived at Chelsea in 2004, and had already spent a significant amount of money before Arsenal moved to The Emirates, so the club’s hierarchy were already well aware of his capabilities.
    I don’t recall Arsenal referring to this as any particular threat when they were popping champagne corks and hailing our fantastic move into a brand new dawn. Nor did they tell Arsenal fans they would have to wait several years to see any level of success.
    We were moving to compete with the Barcelona’s and Real Madrid’s of the world immediately, not in x amount of years.

  35. Keyser

    “The difference is that their owners are willing
    to invest properly in team.”

    Hallelujah, this is it, I’m not really sure what John Henry has invested in Liverpool, or even that he has, but I know they have no new stadium, and have systematically been trying to oust local residents almost against their will so they can get Anfield extended.

    I didn’t want a takeover, I don’t really like the idea of buying success, but that’s exactly what the club needed to stay competitive while we built the stadium.

    We’ve got two billionaires neither have invested anything into the playing side, both have been happy to let the club run it’s sustainable model.

    Which is why I give Wenger a break because almost everything we do is within those limits, because everytime we build a competitive team, we see it be picked apart for parts by teams with greater financial muscle or oppurtunity.

  36. eyemsick

    newco:
    Nor did they tell Arsenal fans they would have to wait several years to see any level of success.
    We were moving to compete with the Barcelona’s and Real Madrid’s of the world immediately, not in x amount of years.

    did they really have to tell you though? are we not clever enough to get it ourselves? when you saw denilson and cesc and clichy and they had tevez ronaldo giggs, drogba essien did it not occur to you ?

  37. Revving Kevin

    Dear Keyser
    “It’s actually funny, Colin Lewin can’t be trusted, despite him being a reknowned physio in top level sports, but we can look at physio room and make definitive statements.

    John Henry the Liverpool owner can’t be trusted because he has an agenda, why can’t he be trusted?”

    Keyser it’s Becos they are saying something factual that some people don’t want to hear.

    This is what drives me nuts. I saw that the other day, Cesc appeal and others being rude Becos kjafc posted John Henry’s quote!!!! A quote from the Liverpool owners mouth and they were denying it was true. Loool. Every sports outlet linked this direct quote but Becos it proves the Suarez lie they won’t accept it. They know it makes them look mugs going on about something for months that wasnt even true!! Now he’s at it over Colin Lewin calling him a liar.!!!

    That Cesc bloke is so far in denial, he’s in fucking Egypt!

    It’s all that anti-Wenger agenda that blinds these guys from accepting they could ever be wrong about anything. No humility. Post a fact and it’s dismissed Becos it comes from the ‘enemy’.

  38. Davido

    You seriously believe Gazidis chickened out of a 40m Suarez release clause; where do u get your information from?

    If you make arguments and don’t even have the right information, I’d feel silly going further.

  39. Keyser

    N5 – Not too sure about that, there’s an obvious slant to this site, if all you want is a site where people are critical of Wenger, that’s fine, I don’t really care, it undermines what this site is supposed to be about, but that’s on you or the people that wish it to be so.

    If not it’s immensely tedious to try and have a discussion, when almost every post has to be categorised into pro-Wenger or Against, and how many people are guilty of that, it’s pathetic.

    “and as Cesc quite rightly said are we saying there is no better than Giroud out there available right now?”

    That’s not what the club are saying is it, we spent half of the summer chasing after Suarez, but we bought another player we needed instead, make no mistake we needed him, in Ozil.

    All you have to do is read Swiss Ramble, Cesc Appeal has given it a thumbs up, to understand the situation we’re in, it’s taken us 7-8 years to save up whatever we have in reserve, with new sponsorship deals for the next few years this makes our situation a bit more plausible.

  40. Cesc Appeal

    Rev Kev

    Ermmm, how was I being rude? I called him a hypocrite, because he is one.

    Those aren’t facts Rev, why are you two having a hard time getting your heads round this? Lewin made a statement against a set of stats that were indicating he was poor at his job.

    Help me out where are you struggling with this?

    When George Osbourne for example starts batting away figures showing the economy is suffering by telling you X, Y and Z that it’s not, do you instantly go, ‘oh ok, fair enough.’ No, you do not…unless you are a simpleton. Because he has an agenda.

    Same as I very much doubt Lewin is going to sit there and let someone say he’s shit at his work and casually take it on the chin.

  41. Cesc Appeal

    “It’s all that anti-Wenger agenda that blinds these guys from accepting they could ever be wrong about anything. No humility. Post a fact and it’s dismissed Becos it comes from the ‘enemy’.”

    Hahahaha….yet you’re ABSOLUTELY right holding up a statement by Lewin, or Henry are you?

    THEY ARE NOT FACTS….HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU NEED SOMEONE TO TELL YOU THIS????

  42. N5

    Keyser, I agree people shouldn’t be pigeon holed and discussion doesn’t have to have agenda, I don’t want Wenger at the club, but not because of his transfer policy but I will support who ever is at the club because I support Arsenal.

    As you see I converse with everyone on here regardless of stance. I speak with the so called AKBs and the so called Doomers so again I must state I have no agenda.

    I am happy to agree with your last comment and I really hope that from this season onwards we start spending some of that cash. What I am saying though is that you or anyone can’t say as fact he will or won’t spend that cash this window and lets say I said I think he will and then you said well your an idiot because he definitely won’t. That isn’t agenda driven it’s just egotistical commenting to believe your comment is more valid than someone elses. Which was what my original comment was about, not the content just the way it was delivered.

  43. eyemsick

    hey n5 chill out, the names were to indicate players who can make the difference. are you suggesting it would be a good idea to spend 30 or whatever shalke was aksing for draxler ? as for the bigger picture at the club and what is right or wrong. the future will tell.. what we do know is that the club had to follow a strict financial plan for a decade minimum. to suggest that arsenal should be beating clubs who were investing aggressively for the top prizes in football during that period is a bit silly in my opinion….

  44. Revving Kevin

    “Hallelujah, this is it, I’m not really sure what John Henry has invested in Liverpool, or even that he has, but I know they have no new stadium, and have systematically been trying to oust local residents almost against their will so they can get Anfield extended.I didn’t want a takeover, I don’t really like the idea of buying success, but that’s exactly what the club needed to stay competitive while we built the stadium.We’ve got two billionaires neither have invested anything into the playing side, both have been happy to let the club run it’s sustainable model.Which is why I give Wenger a break because almost everything we do is within those limits, because everytime we build a competitive team, we see it be picked apart for parts by teams with greater financial muscle or oppurtunity.”

    Yes. Wenger has never operated on a level playing field.yet per stadium every year 1st or 2nd. Doubles, Invincibles.

    Along comes the stadium the Russian thief and then an Arab, we sell players and buy second tier guys etc

    Not a level playing field.

    Now he finally has one, thanks to his patience and hard work, they want to sack him!!! Thanks Arsene now fuck off and let’s give the money to Bouldy to spend. Loonys.

  45. N5

    “re you suggesting it would be a good idea to spend 30 or whatever shalke was aksing for draxler ?”

    No not at all, what I was saying is there were options if we were prepared to take a risk, maybe Draxler isn’t a great example but I was offering up suggestion. How about Costa, he certainly would have been worth the risk? I’m not saying he would have come but who knows? I’m just saying KK surely wasn’t the only option.

  46. eyemsick

    as for your questions yes i go to games, i have a season ticket , north bank, upper b 96. is that so important?

  47. Cesc Appeal

    Rev

    A fact is something proved to be true, something irrefutable. Therefore, rarely do we deal in facts on this BLOG of OPINION.

    “Post a fact and it’s dismissed Becos it comes from the ‘enemy’.”

    You don’t post FACTS…a QUOTE from someone is not a FACT. Therefore I, and others are more than entitled to refute it because we BELIEVE the opposite of what was said.

    Just as you and Keyser, and Kjafc are more than entitled to uphold it and say you BELIEVE what he’s saying to be true.

    You are no more right than I, and vice versa. But MR Kjafc was stomping around yesterday as if he had irrefutably proved something…he had not, neither have you disproved anything.

    Good day sir. (I don’t know why, just felt like it needed a good day sir.)

  48. eyemsick

    sure there might have been players but this risk you say. this is a call that comes form the top of the hierarchy ..again in my opinion.. if you note every big club that has dominated has real powerful guys at the backscenes pulling strings. who does arsenal have to play that role? noone. theyve left it all to the manager and he is getting pillored of course cause fan frustration is growing.

  49. N5

    eyemsick, I’m not understanding your hostility, I was only wondering if you attend matches? I was just trying to find out a little about a person who I’m talking with. It’s a lot easier to take someone seriously when you understand their background.

  50. eyemsick

    cesc appeal

    just like you have the right to refute what others say, equally others can refute what you say. what i dont understand is why you would tag people with descriptions and categorise and then dismiss as if youre the one who is right……

  51. Revving Kevin

    Dear Cesc

    Thank you for the good day sir.

    Oh, Thank you for not using bad language.

    Let’s just agree to disagree and hopefully remain friends. At the end of the day we are both Arsenal Fans. You want wenger out, I want him in that’s all. Ps I stopped devil worshipping a few years back 😉

    Good day sir.

  52. eyemsick

    hostility? not at all my friend, on the contrary i was a bit sceptic you asked,taking your sequence of questions aggressive…no harm..

  53. N5

    “sure there might have been players but this risk you say. this is a call that comes form the top of the hierarchy ..again in my opinion.. if you note every big club that has dominated has real powerful guys at the backscenes pulling strings. who does arsenal have to play that role? noone. theyve left it all to the manager and he is getting pillored of course cause fan frustration is growing.”

    eyemsick this is a much better comment and I appreciate your view so much more when your not accusing of agenda driven commenting and just state your opinion.

    Respect for that.

  54. Keyser

    N5 – “I am happy to agree with your last comment and I really hope that from this season onwards we start spending some of that cash.”

    The thing is I’m not sure it will happen, I’m as nervous as anyone else, if we don’t beat Everton or fall out of the top 4 now we’re 40 million closer to being back to square 1 let alone the FA Cup.

    I can understand frustration, fans have a right to be, the club has kept us in this tedious limbo/ purgatory like position, where we yo-yo between maybe competing for a title, or scrambling for 4th, they owe the fans, at the same time I can see what they’ve been doing.

    I’ve been here soo long now I can pick apart and destroy almost any argument, at the same time I don’t really want to because like we’ve discussed before fans are simply feeling the angst of all those seasons combined.

    I just wonder if it’s worth posting when all they have left is hate.

  55. N5

    “hostility? not at all my friend, on the contrary i was a bit sceptic you asked,taking your sequence of questions aggressive…no harm..”

    I apologise for that, I’m often told I speak to aggressively on here and I honestly don’t intend to come across that way. I do reread my comments normally before posting but obviously you don’t get tone when your reading text so it’s hard to gauge sometimes what manner people mean things in. Mine are never meant in an aggressive way (unless towards Marble) so I will try harder to work on that.

  56. Cesc Appeal

    eyemsick

    “Just as you and Keyser, and Kjafc are more than entitled to uphold it and say you BELIEVE what he’s saying to be true.”

    Did you not read this? Or chose not to?

    This is a blog for debate and opinion, it would be dull if everyone thought that same, I don’t claim to have facts. I have an opinion, and I’ll post things to support my opinions.

    Being told I’m in denial because I don’t except a quote as fact is ridiculous and childish.

    Do I every expect Rev to come round to ‘my side’…no. Certainly not Keyser who just operates in some weird middle ground so he can argue with anyone and not appear to be in any actual boat therefore maximising any potential targets for a lengthy, pointless debate about nothingness and shifting goalposts.

    I have great debates on here with guys like Nasri’s Mouth, even N5 and I disagree…but they debate. Rev made one point about a quote and in his mind that was end of argument. Anyone who disagreed was an anti-Wenger baddie who ‘won’t listen to reason,’ that’s deeply insulting to anyone you’re debating with.

  57. Cesc Appeal

    Rev

    “Let’s just agree to disagree and hopefully remain friends. At the end of the day we are both Arsenal Fans. You want wenger out, I want him in that’s all. Ps I stopped devil worshipping a few years back ;-)”

    Absolutely, no hostility in it at all. As you say, both huge supporters of the club, massive part of my life everyday, whether we play or not.

    As I said to eyemsick, if everyone thought the same, then we’d be North Korean…even then they must all secretly be seething at that buzz cut sides and middle part bob.

  58. Revving Kevin

    Dear Keyser
    Sometimes I struggle with the words you use. Not that they are wrong, just a bit jumbled up.

    What was it Eric Morecombe said to Andre Previn “I’m playing all the right notes but not necessarily in the right order” lool.

    Your last post was good and that’s much how I am feeling.

  59. N5

    Thank you for your last comment Keyser and I couldn’t agree more on your last sentence. Sometimes some people are so blinded by their hate that all rational thought has left them and nothing you say will ever be met with “oh I never saw it that way”.

    I had to pull someone up on wishing death on Wenger the other day because it’s that kind of hate that makes the blog suffer.

  60. eyemsick

    You seriously believe Gazidis chickened out of a 40m Suarez release clause; where do u get your information from?

    the release clause was met. henry bluffed and ivan and whoever else pressed fold. when this happened the manager is with the team doing preseason and its someone else’s job to check suarez contract.

  61. Keyser

    Revving Kevin – Come on mate, you’ve got to understand no-one wants to hear it all the time though, there has to be give and take.

    To be honest I can see Wenger going, he’s 64, has been here almost 2 decades and he’s been paid well for it, at the same time he’ll know where he’s made mistakes or if he can’t give much more for the cause, and if we’re being cynical that he’s been happy to pursue his ideals just as much as the club/board/ Kroenke have been to uphold them.

  62. eyemsick

    yes cesc appeal ok all that about opinions but i still dont understand what your problem with arsenal is? the manager or the regime/policy ? both?

  63. Cesc Appeal

    eyemsick

    “the release clause was met”

    Again, no factual basis for this. One quote from Henry, sort of, a few lines taken out of a long speech after Suarez had already signed a new 5 year deal so he could effectively say anything…so not sure on its validity.

    Also, no one can look at Suarez’s contract, him, Liverpool and his agent can, that’s it. I believe a Spanish Lawyer did as well? I think.

    There was likely no clause, Saurez seemed for all the world desperate to go and if, as Henry said ‘Liverpool ignored it’ they’d be in breach of an “express contract term”…that’s pretty serious stuff. Can lead to damages or even a repudiation of the contract itself. An agent or a lawyer would know this and say Suarez could take it to court and push it through, enforcing the term of the contract with the release clause. Liverpool would have known that as well. they could’ve ended up in a shit storm…that seems likely to me anyway. I think there WAS a clause, but maybe to simply inform Suarez of offers made above £40 Million, perhaps a Levy style gentleman’s agreement to ‘seriously considered them, and his wishes’…not the same thing.

  64. Keyser

    N5 – Heh, it’s sunny out for once, I’d rather be playing football than on here, it’s the blog of love right now, I can only imagine what it’ll be like if results go against us, lucky we’ve had some time between games.

  65. Revving Kevin

    Dear Cesc and N5

    North Koreans, god forbid

    Sometimes we all get so emotional we forget that we really all want the same. A shame it has become such a decisive issue. Just like politics you can lose your friends over this, it’s all a bit daft.

    I used to have some great discussions about football in general with guys like N5 and kjafc but you would always get someone trying To change to a Giroud, wenger hate session. Sometimes it’s nice to talk football in general without all the testosterone. Old games, past players etc. I think some just want to rant though. I went away after some pretty appalling abuse, not worth it you cant punch a cyber bully?! That kjafc and N5 are good guys, like me older generation I think.

    Anyway, goodnight.

  66. Cesc Appeal

    eyemsick

    I want to see Arsenal be as successful as I believe they can be, with got a great basis of a side, a fantastic stadium, and a lot of financial muscle with a huge wage budget.

    I think Wenger is past his sell by date. He’s done a lot for this club, and should rightly be respected on his way out, I believe it’s time for a new manager, a new approach to transfers, training and tactics.

    The whole set up of the board concerns me, not one football man. I’m really not sure on Gazidis, I know Pedro seems to think he could do a god job once Wenger is removed, but I don’t know. Not sure he’s the brain of a football club type.

    Kroenke…really don’t like Kroenke. Seems really to not care about the club outside of it as an asset. Broke promises to supporters groups about meetings, rarely visits the ground. Is appointing his son to the board (I believe, Josh Kroenke?) and seems to be only interested in money and secrecy.

    Those are my problems, plus a dilapidated scouting network and back room team.

  67. NewCo Arsenal PLC

    No, eyemsick, it really didn’t occur to me that as one of the biggest football clubs in the world, we’d have all our dreams and ambitions taken away from us by a gutless American Billionaire.
    Normally, the pain of losing a CL final galvanises teams and makes them hungrier to improve and go one better, which is what I thought Arsenal would do after Paris 2006.
    Sadly, we didn’t have the intelligence or the bravery, and as a result the fans have been let down by greedy individuals who have no shame, and no love for Arsenal Football Club.

  68. tunnygriffboy

    Cesc Appeal.

    Did I see somewhere that Pascal Cygan was being offered a place on the board as
    someone in charge of footbal matters or some such title. Also mentioned were
    Viera and Bergkamp but obviously they otherwise employed. I did read it somewhere. I”m not going mad, honest.

  69. N5

    Rev, you hit the nail on the head mate and I guess I’m in the older generation I’ve been going to arsenal since 82, but I was only 3 then whereas I think Kj is 50ish so he has been there since the days of Charlie George and such. Lucky swine.

  70. MidwestGun

    Eyemsick-
    So your happy with losing to virtually every top side when we were in first place for over half the year?
    Did you enjoy getting destroyed by Chelsea, Liverpool, and Man City when we had our full team the first time?
    Did you enjoy losing to Stoke when we would have been top?
    Did that Swansea draw at home do it for you?

    We were in first place and did virtually nothing to replace Theo and Aaron after their injures. We were in first and did nothing in a winnable year.
    Maybe you are happy with this and call it progress. But 4th or 5th after being top for 5 months is not progress. We do have a nice stadium, tho. Maybe Wenger will be amazing next year. God I hope we win the FA cup because otherwise this could be the worst year ever.
    This is my current problem with Arsenal, no ambition to win the title.

  71. eyemsick

    Cesc Appeal April 2, 2014 23:13:54

    on stadium and financial basis …someone had to “build” and save and act clever in the transfer market. whether tactically he has it or not is an insult to my intelligence, and i would rather focus on the ability of the players you can afford at this moment in time. i agree on gazidis, kroenke is of course an investor. why should he care? he has others to care. more qualified. heh

  72. eyemsick

    This is my current problem with Arsenal, no ambition to win the title.

    the ambition to win the title comes from owners not employees…

    of course im not happy to lose with those scorelines but i accept that games with them will be a 50-50 till i get players of equal quality as them. due to the stadium i havent been able to do that in the recent past but things are changing…why panic now when the worst is past us?

  73. MidwestGun

    No the manager is in charge of transfers, tactics, motivation, and training.
    Stan is in charge of owning shares. You have a strange view of Wenger’s job.

  74. eyemsick

    NewCo Arsenal PLC April 2, 2014 23:19:57

    so, since you can see its about policy rather than manager why are people here so obsessed with wenger…..at the very least i consider the club arsenal lucky that they had someone as qualified to pull it off. the priorities of the club were totally different than what the fans expected. i agree with you on that. but then again when you have to sell tickets and fill up your new investment you cant really say that and shoot yourself on the foot….

  75. Emiratesstroller

    Eyemsick

    I think that you are delusional if you think that the Major Shareholder,Board and CEO are making football decisions.

    The only person in club who is ‘in control’ of transfer policy is Wenger. That
    applies to whom we sell, whom we buy, the size of transfer fees and the wages
    we pay.

    Frankly I don’t believe that there was anyone else at the club who ‘resisted’
    spending more than £20 million on buying players until last summer. Before
    we bought Ozil the largest transfer fee was spent on Arshavin. Apart from
    Chelsea, Man City and Man Utd there were at least half a dozen other clubs
    in EPL who had spent more on a player.

    When you look at wage structure the club were not spending significantly more on the likes of Van Persie and Fabregas than was being paid to Bendtner,
    Diaby and Djourou. This was down to Wenger’s philosophy on ‘egalitarism’
    in squad. Eldorado sadly does not work in football.

    Then I look at how the club succumbed under extreme pressure when clubs
    came calling to buy our players. Not every player who left was in his final year
    of contract.

    What happened with Van Persie was absolutely inexcusable. Firstly consider
    why he and many of the other players left. When a club does not win a trophy
    in 9 years no ambitious player is likely to stay. In the case of VP we did have
    a choice and that was we could have refused to sell. The £25 million we received did not compensate for the impact and cost of allowing him to go to
    Manchester United. Liverpool management summed the situation up when
    they refused to sell Suarez to us.

    I can assure you that if anyone attempts to diminish Wenger’s power base at
    Arsenal he would leave the club straight away.

  76. eyemsick

    as for the triumphs you seek, triumphs are built on momentum. if you can find me at which point we lost our momentum for this season and for the general lift off for the club i ll buy you a pint.

  77. MidwestGun

    N5 –
    Lol Just repeating what was said. At least I didn’t get called an inbred hillbilly today. Altho, I think I was told I could F off or something. Altho, he went out like Scarface saying F everyone and called Dannyboy a sexual slur. Class act
    🙁

  78. N5

    Yeah I saw that Middy, it was such a childish rant followed by your all gay and I’m taking my ball and going home! amazing the goings on at the Grove sometimes.

  79. MidwestGun

    Eyemsick –
    You are one of the nicest delusional people I know. Lol.
    When Theo went down and our replacement was KimK, title over. You dont have to buy me a pint.

  80. eyemsick

    “I think that you are delusional if you think that the Major Shareholder,Board and CEO are making football decisions.”

    who talked about football decissions ?

    we are talking about the policy they have drawn for the club. maybe you are delusional. and that policy for the last ten years has been to do just enough to repay the stadium. everything else is a bonus.

    transfers are controlled by what you can afford. if you can afford 15-20 m only and your rivals spend in excess of 100m then maybe you need to re-adjust your expectations…

    as for players sales, i think you missed the memo about having to repay 450m for our stadium. as owners of course they will sell, they have wenger to unearth other gems and still get the crucial top4 finish. that was the plan.

    of course it sucks to sell to united or city but when the priority is to make money to repay banks you cant really blame them. you have chosen a period we all knew would be shit to moan about ambition and titles.terrible timing

  81. eyemsick

    wrong midwestgun

    when ozil missed the penalty against neuer…..

    that was the momentum wenger was looking for. the moment that would galvanise everyon,e players and fans to lift off. those first mins bayern were trembling didnt know what hit them, score that and confidence raises to stratosphere levels. if youve seen a lot of football youll know what im talking about.

  82. NewCo Arsenal PLC

    eyemsick

    I think most people – and I include myself among them – are frustrated and annoyed with Wenger’s complicity whilst being one of the world’s highest paid managers, and his recent record regarding transfers.
    He spent over £180m in a six year period from 2006-2012, which equates to £30m a year, easily enough to make the club competitive at the sharp end with the right players.
    Arsenal should never be allowed to go to Old Trafford to suffer an 8-2 humiliation, and that happened because Wenger took Arsenal into the season totally unprepared, as he has done many times.
    Every manager makes dud signings, no-one would dispute that, but not as consistently or as regularly as Arsene Wenger, and he has subjected Arsenal fans to some absolute shockers, particularly in recent years.

  83. MidwestGun

    Eyemsick-
    Again the stadium debt is an amortization which dies not affect the operating/ transfer budget. Regardless the board is not in charge of buying crap players and putting them on high wages for long term contracts. Thats Arsene. Its not how much money you have if you buy Bendtner, Diaby,Santos,Park etc etc……. and the list goes on.

  84. eyemsick

    He spent over £180m in a six year period from 2006-2012, which equates to £30m a year, easily enough to make the club competitive at the sharp end with the right players

    but we have been competitive, we just cant make the difference in the crucial matches that decide titles and sorry but 30m is very little when chelsea united and city can spend that just on one player.

    that game was under very difficult circumstances, to suggest he hadnt prepared the team is wrong for the team was very well prepared for the qualifiers against udinese. at that stage ensuring the 30m from the champions league was far more important than an away fixture at old trafford in early august. noone expected that result to happen of course. very cruel. shit happens.

  85. eyemsick

    of course it affects the transfer budget, hillwood admits in agm 2010 that wenger has to generate surplus of 25m every year via player sales to repay banks.

    the thing you talk about bendtner and the rest is somehtign different. not all players will become superstars, you cant get them all right. dont be hysterical.

    as for momentum, believe me i was there, score that fucking penalty and arsenal sets on a new trajectory, leading 1-0 in your ground with fans behind you against the team youve been waiting for since last year…. gibbs would transform into carlos..no injuries when in such highs…

  86. MidwestGun

    Eyemsick –
    Lol you seem like a nice guy but I don’t think your getting it. And probably won’t. If your happy with the way things are more power to ya. But I can’t suspend my belief in reality. Anyhow, life calls.

  87. eyemsick

    maybe youre not getting it. i cant expect to be happy ( i.e win trophies and own them all like when i had pires henry etc) when i have just built a 450 stadium. and it aint arsenal’s fault the government opened the door to crooks to “invest” in epl clubs…..

  88. Davido

    Eyemsick honestly, you’re quite simply a sycophant, you clearly don’t want to address specific points and you’ll just bring up the stadium mantra.

    I’ll ask you again: how many strikers in the world could come in and do better than Sanogo based on their experience and the fact that they’ve played enough high-level games anywhere? How many strikers in the world can help reduce our overdependence on Giroud and give him much needed rest/immunity from the numerous fans who don’t realize how much he’s worked for the team? Did Walcott get ruled out for the season before or after the January window closed? Did Wenger not say he was looking at getting a striker in January? Have we suffered from not having an additional experienced striker? Who’s fault is that? Did we drop significantly in both our performances and results from the 1st part of the season? Can this squad have challenged much more for the title with additions to it? Who decided, having seen us suffer from bad injury luck over the course of several years, not to strengthen the squad? Is strengthening the squad/identifying the right targets that individual’s job? Has he disappointed his squad?

    Answering those questions and looking at what has happened year in year out would tell you why there are legitimate issues with thinking Wenger should get more time to figure it out.

  89. Davido

    And answering those questions would be a lot better than spouting the regular crap or looking at isolated situations like Ozil’s missed penalty and crap like that.

    Football watchers all over saw our team and said unanimously that we needed a striker to help Giroud. This was 1 time where it wasn’t even a question of the greatest strikers being mentioned but a question of numbers. Wenger himself said it just as he said in the summer. Two windows passed and he was not decisive enough to help his team. I’ve mentioned here several times that I believe we finally have the right mix in the team and this team would give Wenger the chance to show his mettle; it’s obvious — based on the fact that Everton is challenging us for 4th (with injuries, less money spent and less talent) and Liverpool, with no midfield, good fitness and yes less games, but especially with well-thought tactical variation that has allowed them to succeed in spite of the shortcomings of their squad is challenging for the title — that he hasn’t performed well this year and given that he’s been extremely stubborn and intransigent, there’s a necessary argument to be made that if he doesn’t give up full control of certain areas (including transfers, some tactical training), we’ll be much better with a modern manager.

    Pedro pretty much says this every day now, and if you want to argue, it’d be nice to hear rational arguments addressing some of these points instead of historical what-ifs.

  90. NewCo Arsenal PLC

    Can you think of any other top PL club who’ve shipped eight goals at Old Trafford?
    The CL qualifier came about because just four months earlier we had allowed Man City to come from quite a distance behind to take third place from us. Wenger still had the whole of the summer to prepare for this scenario, it’s not like it crept up on him and he didn’t know it was coming.
    Wenger lacks basic discipline, and it has always been one of his flaws. Instead of forcing club captain Cesc Fabregas to rally the troops at the end of the season in a crucial away game at Fulham, he allowed him to go off and watch the Spanish Grand Prix. Then he refused to play against Udinese, or in any of the league games, including the mauling in Manchester. The day after that mauling he was sold to Barcelona for a cut-price fee, and played a cameo role in their next game, so he clearly wasn’t injured, as some had tried to suggest at the time.
    Recently, Per Mertesacker said the players didn’t give 100% in the final CL game at Napoli, because they’d already qualified.
    So essentially they weren’t motivated enough to try and actually win their Group (they were top of the Group going into the game), and secure an easier draw in the last 16, they were just satisfied with qualifying. Not the winning mentality you expect from a club with any sense of ambition, and if Wenger can’t instil that level of determination in his players, he really shouldn’t be there.

  91. Thank you and goodnight

    @Davido and @Newco
    Both of you have made brilliant points on your posts. But trying to convince the ARSENE TALIBAN you’ll have your work cut out mate. I for one can’t wait for le senile to either croak or walk, but in all honesty I think him croaking is the only way we’ll get rid of him.

  92. Thank you and goodnight

    @Pedro
    I haven’t said anything nasty mate just giving my opinion. I honestly do believe the only way Wenger will ever leave the post if he passes away.

  93. PieAFC

    It seems people really do think irrational with their thoughts and opinions regarding the club and Wenger.

    I’m guilty of it on many occasions. But right now, the fan base has been split right down the middle with no discussion or argument that will change either side’s opinion.

    Posters on here, twitter and all over have to know and realise themselves.

    I personally think Wenger has run his course now, I’m not talking financial restraints and board quarries with have.

    I’m talking the basic, the foundations, tactics, his record against the top teams. Consistently losing and sometimes getting beaten badly. Reoccurring injuries we sustain on such a regular basis, its frightening it has really only been addressed now.

    Change need’s to happen. I get frustrated reading this blog sometimes and all it ever seems to be

    is what’s best for Arsene or Arsenal.

    manager’s come and go. The club will always be there. I’m sure people do realise Wenger is not the club, but sometimes the apologists seem to think he is.

    We will go on without him, like the Chapmans, Allison, Whittaker and of cours Bertie Mee.

    We can and should love and respect the good times, understand the bad. But sometime’s you need to know when to call it a day. Wenger isn’t as revolutionary as he once was and is clearly to stubborn to ADAPT to the way things are now.

    I hope it worked out. I’ve always stood by one thing, a poor team under Wenger is still better than most teams. We know how good we can be, we we’re there before, so let’s get back to it, before we could possibly slide away further and do something some fans probably think we couldn’t do.

  94. PieAFC

    Their is a reason Liverpool, when if you did the teams down the middle at December we do have a better first 11 and squad.

    Yet they sit top.

    Tactics, formation, fitness, rotation, data analysis of other teams, strengths and weaknesses addressed.

    basic football stuff, sometime’s i actually wonder going into games we do not cover.

  95. PieAFC

    should say better 11 and ok squad.

    Obviously bar Sturridge and Suarez, then you have Gerrard. Man for man, no one can say the players they had you’d think they would be where they are now.

    Goes to show have a front two as prolific as that. Bang on to challenge.

  96. eyemsick

    davido maybe youre the one talking crap. i dont understand these dismissals of yours. whatis sure is that you aint convincing anyne but youyrself.

    whether the manager has ran his course or not is not for you to decide but for the owners….

    maybe you havent understood what his job was about since the move and you critisise harshly….

    as for giroud and the better strike, they tried to bring suarez bit the people above wenger messed it up. insteadof going for stop gaps he’d rather go for his primary targets when the time is right. january was not it.

  97. eyemsick

    yes pie, they dont play in europe. lets see them next year when rodgers has to include squad management and rotation plus results in his repertoire. its easy to surprise when you have no expectations. and hang on…they havent won anything yet….

  98. invincible

    @pieAFC
    Totally agree with you. We all know financially we cant compete with them. But a manager who better prepares the squad, tactically aware, does his homework on the opposition would give us a greater chance of success as opposed to wenger whos sole tactical input is……heres the ball, tippi tappi ok.

  99. Emiratesstroller

    Eyemsick

    The outlay on stadium was not a factor in our transfer expenditure, because it
    was COVERED in financial arrangements negotiated before and then renegotiated after construction.

    What is true is that Arsenal factored in the redevelopment of Highbury and other building projects and with the fall of property market values the completion of sales and profitability of this and other property deals dropped.

    However, so that we don’t talk bullshit I am listing below the amount of money
    spent this season on transfers by major clubs in Europe. Considering the strength of our balance sheet we ‘under perform’.

    Liverpool £50,204,000
    Chelsea £112,772,000
    Man City £102,080,000
    Arsenal £45,540,000 [incl loan deals]
    Everton £27,984,000
    Spurs £107,250,000
    Man Utd £69,414,400
    ============
    Bayern Munich £54,560,000
    Borussia Dortmund £45,936,000
    Napoli £88,616,000
    Barcelona £61,688,000 [does not include unofficial Neymar payments]
    Real Madrid £143,880,000
    Paris St Germain£119,592,000
    Monaco £156,376,000
    Anzhi £52,272,000
    Dinamo Moscow£59,752,000
    Shakhtar Donetsk£59,960,000

    On the basis of these figures we were ranked this season 17th in clubs spending in two transfer windows. Considering the strength of our balance sheet
    and ‘cash reserves at end of last season of £153.5 million it does not disclose
    much risk or football investment for an ‘ambitious club’

    As I wrote on other occasions our investment this season has actually dropped from last two seasons.

  100. invincible

    @Eyemsick
    they’ve won more than that fraud has been senile wenger though over last 9 years. Or are you like wenger and think that doesn’t count?

  101. Jeff

    Pie,

    You summarised the situation quite well. We are well beyond financial considerations, stadiums and FFP. None of that explains our inconsistencies, the lack of tactics and desire on the pitch. Especially the way we are now regularly trampled on so easily by the big teams.

    Given all of that and our regular collapses for the last 9 years, people are still finding it difficult to separate the two problems we have. The first is Wenger’s own growing incompetence and second are the financial considerations.

    I happen to think the former is having a greater effect than the former and needs to be addressed. Others think nearly everything can be explained by the financials and the owner which in my view is misguided and wrong.

  102. Jeff

    The other thing I wanted to say is that I am very sure that if we had the current run of results under a different manager the current Wenger defenders would have no trouble attributing the blame on the manager. It is this strong hold he has on them that blinds them to the obvious.

  103. Emiratesstroller

    One other matter, which has not been discussed.

    Arsenal attach great importance to our prospects and financial clout when it
    comes to UEFA Fair Play League.

    These figures do not include expenditure on stadia, training grounds or youth
    development.

    So the question to be asked is what exactly is the reason for holding such an
    enormous bank balance when we are covering annually our expenditure including long term commitments on stadium.

  104. invincible

    @Jeff
    personally I think akbs should not be allowed out by themselves but an accompanying adult. For their safety they should only be allowed a plastic spoon to feed themselves for fear of harming themselves. Sad sad sad people.

  105. MidwestGun

    Early in the am, can’t sleep, so I check the internet for maybe A Ramsey sighting and Eyemsick is still going on about stadium, owner, stadium, owner, not the right time to buy because we don’t want to strengthen when we are in first and could actually Win for once. Waiting for top quality when the time is right? Lol
    Its like talking to one of those pull dolls that just repeat the same phrases over and over. Or like when a person gets captured in a war and just repeats name rank and serial number and never answers any questions.
    *sigh* good luck guys.

  106. Revving Kevin

    STOP RIGHT NOW !

    Thank you and goodnight
    @Davido and @Newco
    “I for one can’t wait for le senile to either croak or walk, but in all honesty I think him croaking is the only way we’ll get rid of him.”

    @Pedro
    “I haven’t said anything nasty mate just giving my opinion. I honestly do believe the only way Wenger will ever leave the post if he passes away.”

    Fuck a duck. “Croak” and “if he passes away”…

    Havnt said anything nasty? Lengthy debate free of abuse until you come on here yet again. Nothing surprises me but that is disgraceful.

    Nobody should be going on a blog and saying they want people to ‘croak’, or “pass away” you are a sick human being.

    Mate seriously debate without name calling and wishing people dead so you can get your way.

    Sick. And very sad.

  107. El Tel 1

    Invincible

    Tippi Tappi football

    Have you been watching the same team as me these past two seasons.

    Ball going backwards from wide positions, ball ends up with that chump in goal and BOOM. Long ball to Giroud= loss of possesion.

    We are a long ball team with a loan striker and a midfield to slow or scared to get alongside Giroud for the flick ons.

    Another thing, Giroud used to win most heading duels a year ago. Now He wins very few. Could this be that He has to be more accurate with the flick ons than before and therefore things are harder or is it because He doesn’t seem bothered?

    No wonder Ozil looks disinterested too. He gets the ball looks around him only to find everyone behind not making any effort to make space, he looks in front to see Giroud the lamp post or Poldi the striker converted to left wing.

  108. Thank you and goodnight

    @Revvin
    Nothing nasty was said just my opinion. Wenger will never walk, he’ll die in the job, even his old players have said as much. So if that’s the case then yes, when he does go we can finally look to become a football club again as opposed to a bank.

  109. Emiratesstroller

    I have already written on this thread more than on any other previously.

    However, for those who are ‘club apologists’ I raise the following:

    CERTAINTIES
    1. Arsenal are raising ticket prices by more than inflation.
    2.The club have negotiated new sponsorship deals well in excess of £30 million per year.
    3.Arsenal have spent less in transfer market this season than in previous years.
    4.Arsenal have not managed to replace adequately Song and Van Persie sold
    two years ago.
    5. Arsenal’s Senior Shareholder, Board and CEO will announce pre 1st June that we have a large transfer budget available for manager to spend. Last year
    it was supposed to be £70 million. This year £100 million.
    6. If Arsenal fail to qualify for Champions League i.e. Everton finish above us
    our transfer spend will be cut dramatically.
    7. Wenger will as usual find an excuse not to spend the budget as he habitually does.
    8.Wenger will remain part of the furniture at club even if we don’t win FA Cup or qualify for Champions League unless he decides to leave on his own volition.

  110. Bergkamplegend

    “Wenger will remain part of the furniture at club…”

    Sorry but for me Wenger is already a “furniture”, nothing more lol

  111. Thank you and goodnight

    @El Tel
    So when wenger’s own players say he’ll more than likely die in the job, do you have a go at them? Sorry but my view is he will never leave the job unless it’s in a casket. If that’s the case then when that day comes I for one won’t be mourning. I don’t see you are revvin mourning the death of Arsenal as a football club. Your more concerned about wenger whereas my loyalties lie with Arsenal.

  112. El Tel 1

    I said to members of my Family in 2007 that Wenger should go. He started taking notice of the Media hatred of our Club and changed the way we play.

    They used to count the red and yellow cards and talk about us being a dirty team. At the time we had powerful players who put thier foot in and used pace to win matches.,

    We played the yellow submarines in Europe and since that time He has triedto copy thier style.

    I also believed that after going a season unbeaten there was only one way to go.

    Other teams resented the Invincible team and upped the anti when playing us. There is fir sure a Referee issue adding to this too which was started by Ferguson and his comments of they don’t like it up em.

    I read many papers and web forums telling the world how to beat the Arsenal, this is something I have never read about any other team.

    Nobody ever spoke about how to beat the Mancsum, the Chavs and now Citeh.

    If you think the Refs had no influence over our Club then you really should review all those games when we got battered to stop us playing. Other teams strikers diving all over the place to win free kicks. Dirty tactics ect.

    This was my reason for wanting Wenger gone. He lost the fight back then. He never hit back when they did us over.

    Wenger then decided to try copy Barcelona but never had the players to do this, he made Almunia our number 1 keeper even though the Clown would have struggled to become No.1 at any 1st Division team.

    He made mistake after mistake looking for the next George Weah moment. Sure He found some gems in the past 9 years but there have been many more who stank the place out who he held on to for too long.

    He spends the summer working for a TV/Radio Station when He should be preparing for the new season.

    Sorry but Wenger has survived at our Club far to long.

    Truth is I would take the bad times to get to the good times but we seem to be getting neither.

    Stagnant we are under a stale Manager.

    It would be good for Arsenal to have fresh blood and good for Arsene too to face a fresh challenge.

    Playing a rookie (Sanogo) in the Bayern game was the last straw for me. That was a bigger joke than telling the world Almunia was world class.

    We now have an average keeper who thinks he is Billy Big Bollocks

    An over rated RB who can’t cross and gets done for pace, look when he gets the ball, he usually finds Merteseker with the next pass.

    A LB who is a good player and should be in the England set up but is just ticking along.

    Two very good CB’s who when one of them gets injured leaves us with a massive problem

    A midfield with Arteta at DM? Flamini as back up?Cazorla one of our most creative players playing deep or wide, Ozil looking ordinary because he has no support, TR7 who like Ozil looks for movement and rarely finds it and Jack who should be at a much higher level by now.

    Ramsey came good and is sorely missed.

    Then up top.

    We are crying because Walcott is injured. Wally Walcott ffs.

    Giroud who seems to have lost interest and is not good enough and the deadliest finisher in our team playing out wide, a player who not only can’t last for 90 minutes but also has no pace

    The back up players like the Ox and Gnabry do not get enough game time due to injuries or Managers lack of bottle.

    We have a youth team striker who is ripping goals in everywhere, he is not even considered for the first team. He will become the next Andy Cole, a top striker for another team. Meanwhile we have Sanogo the injury prone former Postie.

    Lastly, we have a player who is on more than 50k per week who has been injured for years and a striker who is better than Giroud on 54k per week who is left rotting.

    If they are not going to play then they should have been lng gone. That 100k per week would get a great striker for the Club.

    This is why the players love Wenger so much and couldn’t care less about how us Arsenal fans really feel.

    This is why Wenger has to go.

  113. El Tel 1

    TYAG

    Read my last post.

    I read it that Guys wanting him to die not that he will die as Manager.

    A big difference.

    I would never want anyone to die.

    Sorry if that offends you Mate

  114. El Tel 1

    Another thing TYAG

    I am Arsenal through and through going back to the 60’s

    If Wenger was good for the Club I would be happy to say so.

    Unfortunately He has gone stale and got himself mixed up in Club politics.

    When he was successful he had DD taking care of the BOD.

    Maybe it is not all his fault.

    However I can’t excuse him for the decisions he makes with playing staff and tactics

  115. Revving Kevin

    Thank you and goodnight
    “Nothing nasty was said just my opinion ”

    Really?

    Thank you and goodnight
    @Davido and @Newco
    “I for one can’t wait for le senile to either croak or walk, but in all honesty I think him croaking is the only way we’ll get rid of him.”

    You said you can’t wait for him to croak. You know what you said it’s in black and white.

    If that’s not nasty in your ‘opinion’ you are even nastier and a bigger idiot than it appears!

    Disgraceful no excuse whatsoever.

  116. Thank you and goodnight

    @El Tel 1
    Now I agree 100% with all those points. Now be truthful with me……We know kroenke will never fire Wenger, so can you honestly see Wenger ever walking? When every time he gets humiliated more and more yet comes up with rubbish like….” We didn’t lose to chelsea or shitty”, how in the world can you see this man walking?

  117. Revving Kevin

    Thank you and goodnight
    Any apology for your comment earlier about Wenger. Thought not.

    I hope Pedro bins you but he won’t.

    But no more of this waiting for people to die shit mate.

  118. Thank you and goodnight

    @Revvin
    Listen will you please shut up you idiot I have nothing to apologise for. You are an absolute bell end you really are. You know fuck all about football so stick to what your good at….making up lies.

  119. Revving Kevin

    Ha ha

    All you boys talking about the birds you’ld shag and yet you probably nerve open your bedroom doors. Not judging by all the trash TV you all watch. Lol.

    In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if the first time some you actually fucked a bird, the RSPCA wasn’t involved! 😉