Sometimes, you just can’t believe the ineptitude…

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Apologies for the late post, I spent the whole of the Bayern game stuck on a plane yesterday waiting for the news bulletin the fly in.

I wasn’t surprised. I wondered how I’d feel not being a part of it and just finding out the result. At first, I shrugged my shoulders. The reality of last night is that we never had a chance of overturning such a heavy defeat against such a brilliant team in the first leg. The starting line up was ok, but let’s be honest, that starting 11 was never going to be enough to take on a Bayern side who have 5 gears they’re always in complete control of.

My concern for the last two weeks was how Wenger would approach it. Would he make a tough sacrifice and bat for a fit squad for the league, or would he go all out. Well, he went all out. Kind of anyway. I mean, in a season full of farcical decisions and obvious cause and effect type issues… Wenger couldn’t even field a full bench. £150m wage bill with a manager on £7.5m a year… and he took Miyachi who had been removed from the Champions League squad. What an absolute joke… not that a Miyachi is turning a Bayern game on it’s head. But seriously, what the hell is going on there?

Even having Miyachi on the bench is an outrageous decision. We’re a powerhouse in European football and we’ve a lad who could barely force his way into a terrible Wigan side sitting on our bench. Where is the ambition?

Back to the squad issues, Arsenal held Bayern to 0-0 for a  half, then the Ozil left the field of play with a hamstring injury (fatigue injury, certainly in a healthy 24 year old). As you know, this one wasn’t exactly an impossible set back to predict. He’s played a huge amount of minutes and 2 games rest isn’t enough to bring you back from the edge. You make a player play all the minutes, these things happen. For me, as I said in the two weeks building up to the game, last night should have been a training exercise. Instead, the manager fields a full first team for both… one game he can’t win… now we’re missing one of our most important players for the most important competitions… the top 4 trophy. It’s just bad management in my view. But we knew that’s what was going to happen… and it’s all penned down on this blog.

Anyway, the second half was marred by a Robben tumble, but brought back into focus with a Lukas save (love that guy these days). Bastian put Bayern one up… followed by a sharp retort by Podolski.

*I didn’t watch the game like you lot did, so I have no idea how close you felt to clawing the game back. Listening to Wenger post match, it sounded like it was an officiating issue.

Arsenal leave the competition,  not in glorious failure, but more on a sad whimper.

We’re not good enough. It’s simple as that. At the highest level, Arsene Wenger is consistently found out. You can build a team rich enough to conquer all that sits below. If you have a great on pitch philosophy (note, for your own teams style) combined with players who can play Wenger ball, you’re going to achieve to a certain standard. However, when you get to the highest level, the game becomes about the details. I’ve been over this so many times before, but we’re not a club that is about the details anymore. We can’t even field a full bench.

In the last 16 if the Champions League, everyone is much of a muchness. If a team is better than you, you must find a way of defeating them that sits outside of your own comfort zone. Jose, for all the bitching, managed to take an Inter Milan side that was pretty average compared to some of the other teams at that time, and convert on the Champions League. Did he do that playing the best teams at their own game? Of course he didn’t. Was his style impressive? No way… it was horrible to watch. What he did was look at what was in front him, look at what he had at his disposal… and work it into a competitive advantage.

What did Arsenal do against the best team in Europe? Our curve ball was a 20 year old rookie making a debut in the home leg. Think about that. Think about the money we have at our club. Think about what the Champions League is all about… and that’s the best Arsene can come up with. We haven’t progressed from the last 16 in 4 years. Sure, there have been some bad luck incidents… but you make your own luck in this game. You can’t plead bad luck for 4 years. You can’t plead bad luck when you have £140m sitting in the bank unspent. You can’t plead bad luck when the reality is, our players may have improved over that time period (debatable), but our approach hasn’t changed in 17 years.

The chickens are coming home to roost this season. We all knew they would right? You can’t escape football reality. If you don’t do things correctly from the start, you’ll pay in the end.

An FA Cup final win represents progress, but real progress has to come with the elite competitions… and I’ve said it time and time again… I don’t think Wenger has it when it comes to the crunch. Too many predictable mistakes from start to finish. It’s undeniable these days. There’s a management malaise and the result yesterday encapsulated that with the bench, the squad and the injury to Ozil.

So whilst I’m not pulling my hair out here, because I expected it… I’m still disappointed.

Anyway, that’s me done. Have a great day, see you in the comments.

 

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  1. tunnygriffboy

    Man City getting much better press than us after last night. Suppose that’s what £500 million buys you. I suppose they did have Aguero injured bless them.

    Don’t think Barca will beat Bayern.

  2. KJAFC

    Tunny
    Man City getting much better press than us after last night. Suppose that’s what £500 million buys you. I suppose they did have Aguero injured bless them
    ___________
    Does not surprise me in the slightest. Always been the same.

    And I bet some of their fans aren’t throwing their toys out of the pram. And that’s is Despite all the money the Arab has spent and the players they have. Perspective. They lose to Wigan at home in the FA Cup and then again in the CL, with excuses about them going down to ten men in the home leg.

    Meanwhile, we get accused of having a crap squad, crap strikers and a rubbish manager, yet get a draw in Munich (and aren’t allowed to use the sending off of Schezerr as an excuse) and have just smashed Everton 4-1 to reach the Cup semi final.

    It’s all a bit weird.

  3. tunnygriffboy

    Midwest

    It’s quite possible that he will win a few things in the next few years. He surely has the funds and squad to do it. However who knows where he’ll be in 9 years. Will he be in the same situation as Wenger re stadium and building the club up ? Who knows.

  4. DanC

    Jeff

    Wow. Just wow.

    You move more goal posts than the council does.

    Found out then gets all defensive, Id say your logic is a little off by all accounts.

    Haha mate you’ve had a mare.

    Keep posting and keep pretending fella. Bless you at least you’re trying to get this whole football thing.

  5. DanC

    Midwest

    No need to thank me just part of the service.

    Maybe you and jeff could help eachother out with this soccer thing. He needs to start from the beginning but it could be like the blind leading blind.

    But credit where its due at least your trying to get it.

  6. kwik fit

    I have been studying in detail the oscar pistorius trial that has been ongoing in Johannesburg over the past few weeks. I have critically examined the evidence vigorously put forward by the defence team. With an open mind I have reviewed the counter arguments delivered forcefully by the prosecution. While but side’s have valid points and some strong compelling evidence , I still think that he doesn’t have a leg to stand on ! Boom Boom

  7. tunnygriffboy

    Midwest

    Yes please pretty please to fa cup. Think Per is on the case, could see it in his eyes last night when interviewed

    KJ

    Yes, Man City having a March slump with their best player being out due to hamstring just like ours. Totally different reaction on radio, poor Man City only been in UCL for 3 years. ( Doesn’t make anything of them spending half a billion in transfers and monumental wages ). Our press have an anti AFC agenda. We need to look after and protect our club.

    Jeff

    Night mate

  8. MidwestGun

    Tunney –
    Not sure either but DanC was trying to make an invalid comparison. I guess he thought it funny. Personally, I dont think our lack of success is all that humurous, as my brother the Chelski fan likes to point out to me on a daily basis. ( I can’t disown him, Ive tried).

    Believe me ive given Arsene the benefit of the doubt for years. But transfer window foul ups, bad tactics, etc.. Was hoping their would be some magic left In the old manager especially with the acquisition of Ozil. But sadly I just dont see it. Just want some fresh blood and a new manager approach.

    That said I would be happy as hell with an FA Cup.

  9. Maciek

    Karim, mate, I think that it’s too early for Aaron to start. But he can be influential in the last 25 minutes.

    As for Ade, he will score, he always scores against us. But I would rather have Giroud in our squad than him.

    I still think we will lose. We just can’t win when it matters most, can we? Hope I’m wrong, though.

    Take care.

  10. Arsenal 1886-2006

    Not overly impressed by Barca or Bayern, Bayern look weak at the back and Barca have been fragile of late.
    I have a sneaky feeling that Chelski will do the double, the Premier and the Champions league, you just know maureen will have a cunning plan.

  11. DanC

    Nah you can’t really though can you?

    You Americans don’t do sarcasm like us English do. It comes naturally to us, where as you fellas have to try too hard to compete

    You Americans are far too literal for your own good.

  12. Arsene's Nurse

    Pedro March 12, 2014 20:18:05

    It’s not just about games played. It’s about how we train, how often we train, how intense we train, how far behind our recovery process is… and, obviously, how over the last 10 years, we’ve consistently run players into the ground.
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    I’m in full agreement. When you look at the amount of injuries we sustain over the course of a season we are consistently above other PL sides in the number and length of lay-off. This cannot be simply put down to the players and their physiology. There is something wrong here imho.

    Gambon showed, using statistical analysis, that Giroud is not as good a striker compared to other teams’ options. I wonder if it’s statistically possible to show that Arsenal suffer a disproportionate number (or even type) of injuries.

    I did a quick investi-google the other week and one of the things that I found was that Arsenal use “jump training” or Plyometrics. Now I’m sure that other teams do the same. It looks like it’s part of a modern routine, however, it does need to be properly supervised because it increases the risk of injury if performed improperly.

    The impression I got was Arsenal use this method more than most. That may be true or not, I don’t know.

    When I was playing we used (low level) benches and general, co-ordinated ‘free’ jumps and squats in training. I’ve always had tight hamstrings and a lack of flexibility. Even as a kid, touching my toes was a strain. I never liked doing too much jump work because I was aware of my dad’s dodgy knees which caused him to give up football at age 28.

    I took up cycling around 14 or 15 and I noticed that my hamstrings slackened and that I was able to touch my toes without the strain. It seemed that running tightened the hamstring whilst cycling loosened them.

    Newcastle had an issue with their training ground pitches which was responsible for injuries due to the condition of the ground.

    Now I’m not suggesting that London Colney has the same problem, I’m merely highlighting that something that looks innocuous can cause real problems.

  13. tunnygriffboy

    Midwest

    I said I’d give him 2 windows after Ozil. I stick by that even though Jan was horrendous. I genuinely think a top class CF, DM and pacy left sided forward with a fit Theo and Rambo I’d think we’d be a handful. I’d like to see Wenger with a much more competitive squad and I think we’ve progressed over the last year. Doesn’t mean I’m an AKB though, he can make me so angry looooool

  14. KJAFC

    Arsenal 1886
    Mate, I agree I said the same about the Bayern defence. The one team I think that would cause them serious problems is Madrid.

    I think I would have to emigrate if Chelski won the CL. I hate that club and everything they stand for. But it could happen.

  15. MidwestGun

    Karim-

    Comment allez vous? Je dirais non sur Ramsey mais je ne pense pas qu’Adebayor marquera non plus. Je Fais confiance a Mert et a Kos. Leur defense sera chancelante et Kaboul a suspendu. Ainsi l’ Arsenal 2 Sarcle 0.
    Vous l’avez entendu ici d’abord.

  16. MidwestGun

    I think I would have to emigrate if Chelski won the CL. I hate that club and everything they stand for. But it could happen.

    ——————–
    Kjafc – now that I can agree with! Lol. Is it hard to get an Mongolia passport? 😛

  17. KJAFC

    Every team gets injuries but only Arsenal fans ( sorry I mean WOB’s) blame the club. Here’s Man City’s injury list history. It is interesting because of the number of muscle injuries. Now when you look at this, you could point the finger at the club and ask why so many players get muscle strains.

    These guys are finely tuned athletes at the peak of fitness. This is top level sport.

    http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/clubs/21/manchester_city_injuries.html

  18. Paddy got up

    Lee
    You start off your earlier post and make some good points in defence of Wenger, then for whatever reason you decide to get personal and state ” you wouldn’t rub shoulders with me”
    That’s the trouble on here too many brave warriors hiding behind there keypad. Thankfully most people on here can have a debate and respect the fact that were all Arsenal. It looks like don’t fall in that category!!
    The abuse that some people get on here is getting out of order just because there views are different.. I don’t agree with you and vice versa but I won’t coat you off for it although I’m fucking tempted at the moment.
    Anyway I’ll leave it there. If you change your mind about rubbing shoulders with me I will be at the Shithole on Sunday. No doubt a few other posters will also be in attendance some pro Wenger some anti, but all with that bit of class known as civility.
    EIE

  19. MidwestGun

    Kjafc –
    Injury thing is just too fresh a subject hence the anger. All of our season ending injuries and months long injuries are just taking there toll this year.
    But clearly there is more to it then we are just like everyone else.

  20. KJAFC

    More injury bollocks:

    List of Man City injuries this season. When you look at the list, you would have to say it looks exceptionally long. Are the club amateur and is the manager to blame? So it isn’t just Arsenal players that get injuries, as some would have you believe. Does this help with the debate?

    Sergio Aguero Injury Hamstring Injury 2014 March 12th
    Stevan Jovetic Injury Hamstring Injury 2014 February 22nd
    Vincent Kompany Injury Hamstring Injury 2014 February 18th
    Edin Dzeko Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2014 February 15th
    Matija Nastasić Injury Knee Injury 2014 February 7th
    Edin Dzeko Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2014 February 3rd
    Joleon Lescott Injury Knock 2014 January 31st
    Fernandinho Injury Muscle Injury 2014 January 29th
    Sergio Aguero Injury Hamstring Injury 2014 January 29th
    Javi García Injury Muscle Injury 2014 January 21st
    Alvaro Negredo Injury Shoulder Injury 2014 January 21st
    James Milner Injury Groin/Pelvis Injury 2014 January 20th
    David Silva Injury Hamstring Injury 2014 January 18th
    David Silva Injury Knock 2014 January 12th
    Yaya Toure Injury Back Injury 2014 January 12th
    Edin Dzeko Injury Calf/Shin Injury 2014 January 12th
    Samir Nasri Injury MCL Knee Ligament Injury 2014 January 12th
    Yaya Toure Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2014 January 8th
    Jesús Navas Injury Knee Injury 2014 January 4th
    Jack Rodwell Injury Hamstring Injury 2014 January 1st
    Martín Demichelis Injury Hamstring Injury 2013 December 25th
    John Guidetti Injury Knee Injury 2013 December 23rd
    Stevan Jovetic Injury Hamstring Injury 2013 December 21st
    Stevan Jovetic Injury Illness 2013 December 17th
    Pablo Javier Zabaleta Injury Hamstring Injury 2013 December 17th
    Sergio Aguero Injury Calf/Shin Injury 2013 December 14th
    Micah Richards Injury Hamstring Injury 2013 December 10th
    Gael Clichy Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2013 December 3rd
    Matija Nastasić Injury Calf/Shin Injury 2013 November 24th
    Aleksandar Kolarov Injury Illness 2013 November 24th
    Jack Rodwell Injury Hamstring Injury 2013 November 15th
    David Silva Injury Calf/Shin Injury 2013 November 5th
    Fernandinho Injury Knock 2013 November 5th
    Matija Nastasić Injury Knock 2013 November 5th
    Javi García Injury Knock 2013 October 30th
    Stevan Jovetic Injury Calf/Shin Injury 2013 October 30th
    Vincent Kompany Injury Thigh Muscle Strain 2013 October 5th
    Aleksandar Kolarov Injury Eye Laceration 2013 October 5th
    Stevan Jovetic Injury Knock 2013 September 28th
    Sergio Aguero Injury Knock 2013 September 22nd
    Jack Rodwell Injury Hamstring Injury 2013 September 20th
    Gael Clichy Injury Hip/Thigh Injury 2013 September 10th
    David Silva Injury Hip/Thigh Injury 2013 September 8th
    Martín Demichelis Injury Knee Injury 2013 September 5th
    Vincent Kompany Injury Groin/Pelvis Injury 2013 August 19th
    Micah Richards Injury Hamstring Injury 2013 August 15th
    Stevan Jovetic Injury Knock 2013 August 14th

  21. KJAFC

    Midwest
    Why would you want to Emigrate from the States? Where I live we have lots of Hammers, spuds and chavs, as well as the Southern Mancs hiding all over the place!!

  22. MidwestGun

    Kjafc –

    Its all Chelski, Man U , Liverpool all day here. Chelski fans are the worst including my brother. Might need to move where I cant be reached by family if they win the CL again. Freakin Drogba!

  23. Arsenal 1886-2006

    KJ

    If there is one manager who can nullify Real it would be Maureen, he would love to get one over on them and I think that the pressure of a final will cause Real to crack.
    I can see Bayern reaching the final if they don’t face the Chavs, unfortunately the scoreline will be the same as a couple of years ago.

    I can honestly see Chelski taking over where ManU left off, dominating domestically and being constant semi final and finalists in the CL.

    Here’s hoping Abramovich speaks out against Putin and gets whacked by the FSB.

  24. Arsene's Nurse

    KJFAC – producing a list is pointless.

    What you have to do is compare that list with another equivalent list. For example we can copy and paste the same list for the same time frame back to Aug 14 2013 for Arsenal:

    Mesut Ozil Injury Hamstring Injury 2014 March 11th
    Yaya Sanogo Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2014 March 8th
    Kieran Gibbs Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2014 March 8th
    Nicklas Bendtner Injury Knee Injury 2014 March 5th
    Jack Wilshere Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2014 March 5th
    Laurent Koscielny Injury Hamstring Injury 2014 March 4th
    Laurent Koscielny Injury Back Injury 2014 February 22nd
    Nacho Monreal Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2014 February 22nd
    Jack Wilshere Injury Hamstring Injury 2014 February 22nd
    Mesut Ozil Injury Hip/Thigh Injury 2014 February 19th
    Kieran Gibbs Injury Hamstring Injury 2014 February 19th
    Santi Cazorla Injury Illness 2014 February 13th
    Mikel Arteta Injury Knock 2014 February 2nd
    Kim Kallstrom Injury Back Injury 2014 January 31st
    Thomas Vermaelen Injury Calf/Shin Injury 2014 January 29th
    Jack Wilshere Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2014 January 24th
    Tomas Rosicky Injury Broken Nose 2014 January 13th
    Nacho Monreal Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2014 January 13th
    Theo Walcott Injury ACL Knee Injury 2014 January 4th
    Thomas Vermaelen Injury Knee Injury 2014 January 4th
    Mikel Arteta Injury Calf/Shin Injury 2014 January 4th
    Olivier Giroud Injury Illness 2014 January 3rd
    Nicklas Bendtner Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2014 January 1st
    Kieran Gibbs Injury Calf/Shin Injury 2013 December 29th
    Olivier Giroud Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2013 December 29th
    Theo Walcott Injury Shoulder Injury 2013 December 29th
    Tomas Rosicky Injury Calf/Shin Injury 2013 December 29th
    Jack Wilshere Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2013 December 29th
    Thomas Vermaelen Injury Illness 2013 December 28th
    Nacho Monreal Injury Illness 2013 December 27th
    Mesut Ozil Injury Shoulder Injury 2013 December 26th
    Aaron Ramsey Injury Thigh Muscle Strain 2013 December 26th
    Laurent Koscielny Injury Knee Injury 2013 December 14th
    Mathieu Flamini Injury Groin/Pelvis Injury 2013 December 4th
    Bacary Sagna Injury Hamstring Injury 2013 November 30th
    Kieran Gibbs Injury Illness 2013 November 25th
    Ryo Miyaichi Injury Hamstring Injury 2013 November 19th
    Jack Wilshere Injury Calf/Shin Injury 2013 November 15th
    Aaron Ramsey Injury Hamstring Injury 2013 November 13th
    Wojciech Szczesny Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2013 November 11th
    Thomas Vermaelen Injury Calf/Shin Injury 2013 November 10th
    Tomas Rosicky Injury Illness 2013 November 10th
    Per Mertesacker Injury Illness 2013 November 9th
    Kieran Gibbs Injury Calf/Shin Injury 2013 November 2nd
    Jack Wilshere Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2013 October 31st
    Serge Gnabry Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2013 October 26th
    Mathieu Flamini Injury Groin/Pelvis Injury 2013 October 26th
    Jack Wilshere Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2013 October 22nd
    Mathieu Flamini Injury Concussion 2013 October 19th
    Mesut Ozil Injury Knee Injury 2013 October 15th
    Laurent Koscielny Injury Calf/Shin Injury 2013 October 8th
    Aaron Ramsey Injury Hip/Thigh Injury 2013 October 6th
    Tomas Rosicky Injury Calf/Shin Injury 2013 October 6th
    Bacary Sagna Injury Hamstring Injury 2013 October 1st
    Jack Wilshere Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2013 September 28th
    Theo Walcott Injury Abdominal Strain 2013 September 22nd
    Aaron Ramsey Injury Hip/Thigh Injury 2013 September 22nd
    Mathieu Flamini Injury Shoulder Injury 2013 September 22nd
    Lukasz Fabianski Injury Knock 2013 September 21st
    Olivier Giroud Injury Knee Injury 2013 September 14th
    Mesut Ozil Injury Illness 2013 September 13th
    Per Mertesacker Injury Illness 2013 September 13th
    Theo Walcott Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2013 September 10th
    Tomas Rosicky Injury Hamstring Injury 2013 September 10th
    Santi Cazorla Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2013 September 10th
    Yaya Sanogo Injury Back Injury 2013 September 5th
    Jack Wilshere Injury Illness 2013 September 1st
    Jack Wilshere Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2013 August 27th
    Aaron Ramsey Injury Groin/Pelvis Injury 2013 August 27th
    Lukas Podolski Injury Hamstring Injury 2013 August 27th
    Laurent Koscielny Injury Head Laceration 2013 August 21st
    Kieran Gibbs Injury Head Laceration 2013 August 17th
    Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain Injury Knee Injury 2013 August 17th
    Bacary Sagna Injury Neck Injury 2013 August 17th
    Tomas Rosicky Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2013 August 17th
    Aaron Ramsey Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2013 August 17th
    Bacary Sagna Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2013 August 14th
    Theo Walcott Injury Knee Injury 2013 August 14th

    I’ve counted 78 injuries for Arsenal.
    I’ve counted 47 for Man City (using your list and double checking using the source http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/clubs/21/manchester_city_injuries.html)

    So you are on the back foot straight away. Using the same source and your method then it’s clear that your argument does not hold up.

    Perhaps you could perform more of an in-depth analysis using the physioroom.com source data.

  25. KJAFC

    Evening Arsenes Nurse
    Mate the whole point was to settle the argument that all teams get muscle injuries. If you look through the lists there are lots with knocks, which are just one of those things. Yes we could add them up, do a full analysis but what really is the point?

    Someone with more time on their hands than me could do an analysis based on games played in relation to injuries. Perhaps we could get a group of experts in the field to debate the subject. We, after all, are mere amateurs trying to be experts. Injuries happen. Perhaps the player did not warm up properly during his pre-game routine. Perhaps he has been eating the wrong stuff. Perhaps he over stretched and fell awkwardly? How you analyse all that I have no idea. It’s going to be subjective.

    This is a ridiculous subject to use as a bat to beat Wenger with. And that’s the point. It really has come to something mate. Perhaps we could all debate and share opinions, shake hands and agree to disagree. On this subject I am calling it a day because minds have already been made up and no amount of lists is going to change that.

  26. KJAFC

    Arsenal 1886
    Nicely put, made me laugh. Yes, could you imagine his old mate Putin sending the boys round. I am not sure about the dominating, I think they have a problem coming up that will come home to roost. Here’s hoping.

  27. KJAFC

    Evening Paddy Got Up
    Lee, The abuse that some people get on here is getting out of order just because there views are different.. I don’t agree with you and vice versa but I won’t coat you off for it although I’m fucking tempted at the moment.
    Anyway I’ll leave it there. If you change your mind about rubbing shoulders with me I will be at the Shithole on Sunday. No doubt a few other posters will also be in attendance some pro Wenger some anti, but all with that bit of class known as civility.
    __________
    Very nicely put. Arsenal fans have always been a class above our rivals. I think the last few years have created a small divide and that’s such a shame. I think we will turn them over Sunday.

  28. Dale Rios

    Think the argument that people make is that Arsenal seem to have more injuries than every other team in England.

    We have 10 players injured currently, yes TEN.

  29. Arsene's Nurse

    KJAFC March 12, 2014 23:22:33

    Evening Arsenes Nurse
    Mate the whole point was to settle the argument that all teams get muscle injuries. If you look through the lists there are lots with knocks, which are just one of those things. Yes we could add them up, do a full analysis but what really is the point?

    Someone with more time on their hands than me could do an analysis based on games played in relation to injuries. Perhaps we could get a group of experts in the field to debate the subject. We, after all, are mere amateurs trying to be experts. Injuries happen. Perhaps the player did not warm up properly during his pre-game routine. Perhaps he has been eating the wrong stuff. Perhaps he over stretched and fell awkwardly? How you analyse all that I have no idea. It’s going to be subjective.

    This is a ridiculous subject to use as a bat to beat Wenger with. And that’s the point. It really has come to something mate. Perhaps we could all debate and share opinions, shake hands and agree to disagree. On this subject I am calling it a day because minds have already been made up and no amount of lists is going to change that.
    ————————————————————————————————-
    Hello KJAFC,

    I agree that all teams suffer muscle injuries. Football, by its very nature, will throw up a series of injuries predominantly to do with the lower body. Running and turning and getting kicked will do that!

    As you say, getting a “knock”, which will not rule a player out for his next game, but appears as an injury on a list is not a good indication of “team fitness”.

    The point of analysis is to look for a trend. If the argument is: Arsenal players suffer a disproportionate number of injuries that require longer rehabilitation times than other (comparable) teams, then there are statistical methods available to analyse the data. From that data then a trend should be readily observable.

    If a trend shows that Arsenal players suffer a disproportionate number of injuries and time to recover then this would be significant and that fact would then make the point.

    I for one think there is something in this regarding Arsenal. Perhaps that’s because I follow Arsenal and hence the injury situation more closely that other clubs.

    You make a valid point regarding the nature of the injury. There are a whole range of factors that can contribute, so it is difficult to make an exact assessment as to why an individual injury occurred. However, a statistical analysis should be possible given certain criteria and that analysis would show a correlation or discrepancy between clubs.

    It’s very difficult because information is limited. You’d have to set various criteria for consideration and ensure that such criteria was not distorting the results.

    I’ve some experience of statistical analysis (in an engineering field) so I’m more than aware of the difficulties and pitfalls. However, I do believe that the sheer and consistent number of injuries that Arsenal players suffer is an indicator.

  30. Keyser

    AN – http://le-grove.co.uk/2011/11/08/exclusive-arsenal-medical-team-give-le-grove-fantastic-insight-into-their-operation/

    “Colin got stuck straight into some of the things that irked him, top of his list was using injury analysis site, Physio Room. He thinks the league tables are a nonsense, 1) because they take return dates from newspapers 2) because they don’t take into account the size of squads. Wigan being judged on 20 players is skewed when Arsenal are racking up points for 45. It also doesn’t take into account that we play in Europe. If you’re playing 60+ games versus 40, you’ll obviously feature higher in the league table as you have more pressure on your squad.”

    “I asked why our injury record was so much better last year in comparison to years gone past. This answer was quite interesting and definitely opened my eyes to the blurred grey lines when analysing injuries.
    Colin said 2 years ago we had a shocking season when it came to injuries. He said averagely, you expect 1-2 fractures in a year. They had 7. When 7 players suffer fractures, you reduce the squad by 7 players, then you put more strain on less players, which results in fatigue, which equates to more soft tissue injuries.”

    That was 3 years ago, but for example we’re still feeling the effects with Ramsey.

    Ramsey’s just come into exceptional form this year, but he’s never been pushed like this and after such an injury I’m not sure how much you can predict how he’ll react, or would have reacted without the injury.

    He’s rarely played soo regularly or to such a high level.

    I did all sorts of sports as a kid, and the difference between one to the next and the differences between how you stretch or use specific muscles for one or another is quite marked.

    Being almost right foot dominant mean’t I had muscle imbalances as I got older, and it was only when I really took on a personal trainer that I sorted this out, as much as I stretched playing football for the local Sunday League team, there was no comparison to how flexible I became when Itook up Thai Boxing and really started stretching later on.

    We’ve basically straddled the gap between 4th and the teams above, they have deeper squads, they’ve had more money, they haven’t relied soo much on the younger players and likewise don’t have to push their players quite as hard.

    Like Ozil, it’s not that we’re ran him into the ground, it’s that if he’s used to being rotated and used for 70 minutes a game at Madrid, or if he’s used to a winter break, the only way we’re going to get him to adapt is to push him that bit harder than he’s used to.

  31. Keyser

    There’s plenty of examples really, hopefully as we’re less reliant on the potential of youth we won’t have to play them soo much so soon and can bring them in gradually, that still won’t stop impact injuries having an erm impact, or Wilshere thinking he’s a superhero wanting to play for us and then both the England under-21’s and the senior team.

    Or hiding how much pain he’s in because he wants to play.

    I’m almost dreading this summer, Ox has spent 5 months out, he’s played regularly since and with the injuries we have we’re going to need him more than ever.

    When Wenger took him after 75 mins against United, yeah the fans moaned, but it’s pretty obvious with such an explosive player and someone who’d effectively moved up two divisions we needed to build his stamina up.

    Someone mentioned thata fter 75-80 mins against Everton Ox was blowing and he looked the same against Bayern, we forget he’s a kid and I can imagine Hodgson playing him regardless this summer.

  32. Arsene's Nurse

    Keyser March 12, 2014 23:55:22

    AN – http://le-grove.co.uk/2011/11/08/exclusive-arsenal-medical-team-give-le-grove-fantastic-insight-into-their-operation/

    “Colin got stuck straight into some of the things that irked him, top of his list was using injury analysis site, Physio Room. He thinks the league tables are a nonsense, 1) because they take return dates from newspapers 2) because they don’t take into account the size of squads. Wigan being judged on 20 players is skewed when Arsenal are racking up points for 45. It also doesn’t take into account that we play in Europe. If you’re playing 60+ games versus 40, you’ll obviously feature higher in the league table as you have more pressure on your squad.”

    “I asked why our injury record was so much better last year in comparison to years gone past. This answer was quite interesting and definitely opened my eyes to the blurred grey lines when analysing injuries.
    Colin said 2 years ago we had a shocking season when it came to injuries. He said averagely, you expect 1-2 fractures in a year. They had 7. When 7 players suffer fractures, you reduce the squad by 7 players, then you put more strain on less players, which results in fatigue, which equates to more soft tissue injuries.”

    I’m not going to quote your entire post for brevity -AN.
    ————————————————————————————————-
    You make some valid points and also link to a relevant article. However, when Colin Lewin criticises “Physioroom” he uses a team that is non-
    comparative, namely Wigan. (The article was from 2011, ironically we face them in the next round of the FA Cup).

    He should compare Arsenal with teams who have similar squad sizes and number of games. No-one who is asking the question as to why Arsenal seem to suffer injuries is comparing the squad/team with Wigan. It’s a false comparison.

    What we should be doing is comparing with teams in the PL who are playing the same number of games as us, namely Man City, Chelsea and Man Utd, plus any other team on a cup run.

    Your experience of taking up another sport sort and the awareness of what happens to your body is akin to mine and no doubt loads of people who are sporty, play different sports, have a knack for one and then take up something a bit different. Different sports require different training methods, but tailored to the individual. And I think that is a significant point; different people with different physiologies react to different conditions and therefore need a tailoring.

    I’m just going to quote your last paragraph so people understand what I’m responding to:

    Keyser March 12, 2014 23:55:22

    Like Ozil, it’s not that we’re ran him into the ground, it’s that if he’s used to being rotated and used for 70 minutes a game at Madrid, or if he’s used to a winter break, the only way we’re going to get him to adapt is to push him that bit harder than he’s used to.
    ——————————————————————————————–
    Which is the very definition of running him into the ground! It’s not wise to get someone to adapt by forcing an injury on them!

    When a player comes from a different league with a different culture, a different pace, a different climate and a different and easier schedule without a pre-season, then the absolute last thing you should do is play them in every game possible! Wenger did just that. Ozil should have been rested and eased into the side when we had easier opposition. The fact he wasn’t is testament to poor judgement and inadequate preparation of the squad, That is down to Wenger.

    It’s no surprise that Ozil is injured just as it’s no surprise that an inform Ramsey whose performance drops off and then gets an injury is. It’s player mismanagement by Wenger.

  33. Charlie Nick

    To those focussing in on the Myachi 7th sub question from the BM game, would a more relevant question be “Why is the seventh substitute position in a crucial Champions League tie, one in which we need to score two goals a choice between Ryo Myachi, Niklas Bendtner and Yaya Sanogo”?

  34. Jeff

    DanC,

    Just so you don’t think I’m the only one who thinks Wenger got his tactics wrong against Bayern here’s something for you to mull over:

    “The way in which they almost completely constrained their attacking, and sat so doggedly deep, was reminiscent of a team in a difficult ground at a 0-0 aggregate score. It was just curious.”

    See more here http://tinyurl.com/odlxuoc .

  35. Thank you and goodnight

    @Jeff
    Forget it mate. You just can’t win with these people, they are not Arsenal supporters but Arsène supporters. Every year fuck up after fuck up yet still it’s a case of “just one more year”. Hell it’s got that bad even the board have put in stipulations to try take control of our transfer policy. We are told he’s frugal, but how many millions has he spent and lost on average players. He gives diaby a 5 year contract extension, only to come out months later and tell everyone diaby will never be a 100% as something to do with weak muscle fibers ( cant remember exactly what he said as nan flu fuzzing up my head). The man should of been given the tin tac years ago.

  36. Jeff

    TYAG,

    Yes I get the feeling that with some people it is just a case of loyalty to the man rather than the club; none so blind as those who will not see.

    They have chosen to forget or forgo what it’s really about and are finding new ways to draw comfort from our miserable decade. If it’s not our beautiful finances it’s our stadium, if it’s not the stadium it’s how we’ve survived among the big bad billionaire wolves, if it’s not that it’s what we won all those years ago and on and on.

  37. Thank you and goodnight

    @Jeff
    Exactly mate. Though you have to give Wenger credit for dumbing down their expectations to the extent that 3rd or 4th is seen as an achievement. We’re always told how brilliantly he’s done and that no one else could of achieved more. For me that’s rubbish, take this season’s first core 11, with better coaching, better tactical discipline and 2 GOOD players, I honestly don’t see why we shouldn’t be winning the league this year.

  38. Jeff

    TYAG,

    The most frustrating thing for me is the constant teasing we get from the manager and everyone at the club. Every year, during the summer window all we see and hear are smiles, platitudes, hints and winks all laced with false promises. Ozil was the exception to Wenger’s MO but it looks now that he was somewhat coerced into accepting the £42m deal.

    We are always found short come February and March which is why January was so vital to our season and it came and went without event and now we are seeing the results. So all in all, for me, it’s back to square one with Wenger and if there is any truth in the idea that the board want to take away some of his powers via the new contract, I say amen to that. We will find out very quickly of course whether it’s all just fluff or if there’s some substance to it.

  39. Dannyboy

    I said it the other day, Spurs will magically transform into defensive kings on Sunday after throwing the game against Chelsea..

    Doesn’t help that Kaboul ridiculously won his red card appeal (I remember us appealing a Vermaelen red against West Ham the other season that was much more of a dive and we lost the appeal as always) as he always bosses it against us!

  40. Thank you and goodnight

    @Jeff
    Yep your 100% spot on again. Most of these lies come out when we’ve either been spanked quite badly, or it’s season ticket renewal.

  41. Hitman49

    @jeff

    I said exactly that yesterday on here and got slaughtered for it ! !.
    We have no direction at all when it comes to transfer windows,and if our only goal was to not get humiliated why did we even bother in the first place?,

    @TYAG

    Which goes onto your point mate the constant lies and inferences as to who were in the market for we can compete with the best in Europe ! Really ! Is that what I saw Tuesday ? NO

  42. Revving Kevin

    Dear TYAG and Jeff
    Back from work and read the blogs to see the same gang culture and abuse alive and kicking. Why is it that if someone disagrees with the view that our injuries are not the managers fault that you call them names? Just Becos someone has a diff opinion, you cant accept it and think it’s just Becos they support Wenger. WTF. It’s called different opinions my friend. Okay we all know LeGrove is largely a Wenger out blog and attracts those types but that doesn’t mean other people can’t have opinions FFS. Some if you, not all are like a little group of kids who jump on anyone not in your little gang. Snidey back stabbing comments.

    Arsenes nurse and kjafc show how to debate last night without insults. That was very grown up and how intelligent people debate. Look back at your babyish comments bout Wenger masterbation, is that debate?? It sums it up.

    And now you say those disagreeing are not true Arsenal fans. Fuck off mate being so pathetic.

    This was funny shit: Jeff thinks we should attack Bayern from kick off. Others disagreed and Jeff thinks it’s Becos they are wengerites and he’s an expert on tactics. Loool. I’m crying.

  43. Thank you and goodnight

    @Revvin
    Kjafc was insulting and condescending to quite a few on here last night. Just because he doesn’t use swear words doesn’t mean he’s not as rude.

  44. Thank you and goodnight

    @Revvin
    Oh but that’s right…Kjafc is an AKB like yourself so he can’t be wrong, rude or condescending can he. You keep worshipping that shrine son, might have another 3 years, but I draw strength from the fact that once Arsène fucks off, so will the AKB’S.

  45. tunnygriffboy

    Guy’s. Who comes in if Wenger goes ? I said last nite I would give him 2 windows after Ozi and stick by that even though Jan was awful. I’m not an AKB by the way.

  46. Thank you and goodnight

    @Tunny
    Had you heard of Arsène before he got the job? Who’s to say their is not another unknown surprise package out there.

  47. Thank you and goodnight

    @Tunny
    That’s a good shout. And who’s to say klopp is unattainable right now? We don’t know until we try.

  48. Revving Kevin

    Dear TYAG
    No my friend, I been a supporter since b4 Bertie Mee, so I ain’t going anywhere. I ain’t ripping off my tattoos or burning my shirts no matter what. Arsenal is like family to me, I will support through good, bad and indifferent times.

    I guess some if You lot would have been burning Highbury if you had to watch some if the shit we’ve had to suffer!! I didn’t think anyone was condescending seemrd fair argument making good points that some people take offence too. It seems you can only be rude and condesending if you disagree with WOB’s, yet most of the condescending and rude shit comes from WOB’s it’s hypocrites. You yourself accused someone of masturbating over pictures of Eenger, mate really?!

  49. tunnygriffboy

    TYAG

    You may be right about an unknown being out there. There may not be. I think it’s a massive risk in todays climate to bring an unknown in. Things have changed from 20 years ago in terms of money and expectation. It’s ok to say you want Wenger out but you must have some idea of who is going to replace him surely.

  50. Thank you and goodnight

    @Tunny
    Whoever comes in might take a year or so to bed in. No one’s expecting instant success. We might have to go through a couple of managers to get it right. But come on after 9 years of the same mistakes over and over again, well when’s enough enough?

  51. goonerDNA

    Tunnygriffboy, Its no longer about windows I think its become clear wenger wants to win trophy’s without spending its become an obsession for him, people may say what about Ozil but had we not lost to Villa and he wasn’t under pressure from the board and sponsors I doubt he would of signed Ozil

    If we don’t win the FA cup he should just retire from the beautiful game

  52. tunnygriffboy

    What we can’t afford is what has happened to Manure and Moyes. They have enough money to ride out that storm, we, while having some, do not have those resources. We have to get the next appointment right and that takes planning.

  53. Thank you and goodnight

    @Revvin
    No I accused you AKB’S of wanting us ‘doomers’ to masturbate over every Wenger win against mickey mouse rovers FC. But when, as usual we come up short because of the man’s incompetence, you lot blame everyone from the moon being out of orbit, to the grass being the wrong colour of green. Everyone but the man who is a specialist in failure.

  54. Gladwyn

    I had wondered where these posters(Kjafc,Keyser,Rev Kev) had gone to when we went down to Stoke. Coming out now and calling those who don’t regard Wenger (as highly as they think we should)to be clueless and classless is pathetic. We might not be intelligent to comprehend our manager’s plans,visions & tactics but we can certainly say something is wrong when it is wrong.

  55. salparadisenyc

    Bottom line is we’ve been knocked out of the competition by the same team two years running and came closer to going through last season. Progress not made, usual suspects will excuse this for a number of reasons. Its pretty clear stagnation has been met for some time and were sailing the flag of mediocrity with the Peps of the game championing our spirit knowing full well were far from a real threat with a very predictable outcome.

  56. tunnygriffboy

    GoonerDna

    I’m not sure that Wenger is obsessed with winning things without spending money. Is that a fact or a theory of someone looking in from the outside. We will find out in the summer with the new money, hence I said I would wait two windows after Ozil

  57. Vinca Rosea

    Good grief, I absolutely detest the “careful what you wish for” line. I mean if that were the case why bother getting up in the morning, haha. Ok, perhaps an exaggeration.

  58. goonerDNA

    Tunny, I think the squad wouldn’t be under the same amount pressure so we would instantly be better off.

  59. Hitman49

    @gladwyn 9:12

    100% spot on mate I don’t agree with a lot of what they say but I don’t ridicule them for it or call them AKBs .

    But they do throw the toys out of the pram at times uncalled for really,
    That’s why you have to step in and say something attack them in numbers if they get out of hand and can’t play nice.

  60. goonerDNA

    Tunny, Signings is one thing but its not going change the pressure mounting on our squad nor the inabilty to stay focused and win during tough periods or solve our injury crisis which imo is a training issue.

    Not everything can be solved with signings

  61. Gladwyn

    Clearly the stadium excuse is now out. People are now bringing up the issue of “who next if Wenger leaves?”

  62. goonerDNA

    Bergkamplegend, fair enough

    I doubt he will tho I think if we don’t win the FA cup he will walk away from the club……I really hope we win the FA Cup, I love the club more than I hate Wenger.

  63. tunnygriffboy

    Salparadise

    Bottom line is we are not as good as Bayern, RM, Barca, PSG. Our squad is not even the best in the PL. I asked yesterday if we put Hazard, Negredo and Matic in the side on tuesday would we be better ? That’swithout Walcott and Ramsey being fit. The point being that we need quality in those position to be more competitive.

  64. Thank you and goodnight

    @Gladwyn
    Fairweather fans mate. You watch, couple more losses and they’ll go missing again. Then at season ticket renewal time, they will come on harping about messi, and ronaldo coming to the club. Then when the new season starts and we’ve bought in one hung low, the thai ladyboy, they will say transfer window has been a success because we haven’t sold anyone and our youths are a year older.

  65. N5

    Morning all.

    RE The Klopp conversation, I have a feeling he would come if asked! he has a team selling their best players, even though they don’t need the money and those players are going directly to strengthen up the opposition (a la RvP) but the difference between Dortmund and Arsenal is Klopp didn’t have a say on these transfers, at least it doesn’t appear he did. Which when you read his interviews seems to really grate on him, so he could be persuaded to join one of the best clubs in the world in my opinion.

  66. tunnygriffboy

    Gladwyn

    Don’t you think it’s important to have some idea who you want in if you get rid of Wenger ?

    GoonerDna

    Surely 3 top signings would ease the pressure on the squad in terms of rotation. We don’t have enough proper quality in the squad and at the moment injuries are killing us because of this.

    I think we have made progress overvthe last year. Using the Bayern ties as an example of stagnation ìs very harsh as it only reflects two games not a longer period of time

  67. Gladwyn

    TYAG

    I think Keyser was already saying that no? We bought Ozil and are tying a lot of them to contracts.. Also what guarantees are there if the next manager delivers… not exactly what he said but something like that.

    What good is there to have a discussion with that kind if they keep deflecting every post with a pen analogy. Too boring.

  68. N5

    tunny, there will be someone paid a huge amount of money at Arsenal that will have the tools required to make that management choice. We all have ideas of who we’d like, for example i’d take Pep or Klopp in a heartbeat but like TYAG already mentioned today, who knew of Wenger before he arrived. I’m sure we as a club can identify someone of worth.

  69. N5

    TYAG cheers buddy, I don’t know if you read his interview regarding Götze when he left, he said about how much it hurt and he would rather lose Lewandowski on a free then go through that emotion again!

    That is what I really like about Klopp, he always seems to speak from the heart!

  70. tunnygriffboy

    N5

    Isnc’t there generally a lot of talk on here about Gazidis being a money man and there not a lot of football people in the club’s hierarchy ? Can they be trusted to do the job ?

  71. Gladwyn

    Tunnygriffy

    It surely helps to know who we would want in order to get rid of Wenger. I would like for Klopp or Simeone to come.

    If a manager with no baggage of the current system arrives, atleast he will address the most obvious problems. Things that most of us fans can see but not Wenger. Even IG and SS seem terribly afraid to upset Wenger.

  72. Thank you and goodnight

    @N5
    I agree. Love the fact he has passion, love the fact he’s tactically more aware than Wenger, the way he sets up his team to work hard for each other.

  73. N5

    tunny, that’s a very good question my friend and truth be told, no I don’t think I could trust Ivan to make the right choice, I think he would employ a yes man regardless of CV, I really hope I’m wrong with that.

    I also wouldn’t want Wenger to make the choice because wasn’t he wanting his friend Dragan Stojković to come here with him going the other way or up into the offices?

    It’s a very tough one, because I don’t trust Ivan, yet I would hope he would have someone who would be doing the identifying for him, he would just do the negotiating!

    Let’s just hope that person isn’t the one who identifies our players as well, or we may end up with Källström’s dad as gaffer.

  74. Gladwyn

    Tunnygriffy

    About ” I asked yesterday if we put Hazard, Negredo and Matic in the side on tuesday would we be better ?”

    I’d say yes, we would have been better on Tuesday night.

  75. Mads

    Anyone who can help a Norwegian Gunner with ticket(s) to the FA-cup final? I am both a Red member and in the Norwegian supporters club. Will any of these help me in getting tickets?
    Cheers,

  76. Bergkamplegend

    goonerDNA : “I love the club more than I hate Wenger.”

    Wow…
    Simply beautiful!! That phrase, it’s just Le Grove’s Dogma!!

  77. N5

    “Anyone who can help a Norwegian Gunner with ticket(s) to the FA-cup final? I am both a Red member and in the Norwegian supporters club. Will any of these help me in getting tickets?
    Cheers,”

    Made, my dad run the East Sussex supporters club and he often does business with various Scandinavian supporters clubs, via the Arsenal travel club!. I can ask him tonight and reply to you tomorrow mate. How many tickets do you need?

    I’ll be honest that it’s very unlikely as we get rid of all allocated tickets with no issue, but the travel club may get a couple spare and you can go through them! (it is the official travel club, not a shed with a dodgy geezer sitting in).

  78. tunnygriffboy

    N5

    That is a big worry for me. Surely we don’t let Wenger go without nailing down a top class replacement first

    Gladwyn

    I think we would be better with those 3 players. My point is if we bought top class in those positions in the summer, we have Ramsey and Walcott back and fit then we will be a lot stronger squad wise with top talent being rotated and on the bench. We are not that far away.

  79. goonerDNA

    Tunny, Better players won’t stop the fact we have our players picking up more injuries while playing less games.

    As for Bayern, I don’t agree with people using a draw away or loss over 2 legs to Bayern as a benchmark in any form

  80. Mads

    “Made, my dad run the East Sussex supporters club and he often does business with various Scandinavian supporters clubs, via the Arsenal travel club!. I can ask him tonight and reply to you tomorrow mate. How many tickets do you need?

    I’ll be honest that it’s very unlikely as we get rid of all allocated tickets with no issue, but the travel club may get a couple spare and you can go through them! (it is the official travel club, not a shed with a dodgy geezer sitting in).”

    That would be great, thanks! (worth a shot anyway).

    Looking for two tickets (me and a friend (no dodgy geezers))

    If you find out anything, it would me most appreciated!

    You could either reach me on phone +47 41 21 61 17 or on twitter
    @MadsLindeland

    If not, I’ll just scroll through the comments section tomorrow.

    Thanks again

  81. Gladwyn

    Tunny

    Well you told N5 you wanted to hold on to wenger till you had a top class replacement and you told me that if we bought top class in those positions, we’re not far away.

    In reply, IF we get a replacement for Wenger, that is when we will buy top class. so in essence we will be still far away in case we hold on to Wenger.

  82. N5

    Made leave it with me and I’ll contact you via twitter tomorrow. As I said please don’t get your hopes up as it is very unlikely due to demand, but you never know and if you can help a fellow gooner out then all the better!

  83. N5

    Made, I’ve just called my dad who said that at the moment there is no news on the ticket allocation and won’t be until next week so I won’t have an answer until Monday earliest mate, also he said with 47,000 season ticket holders there isn’t going to be a lot floating about so it’s not looking great.

    Either way I will let you know as soon as I know via Twitter mate.

  84. tunnygriffboy

    Gladwyn

    If the summer comes and we don’t buy top class, better than we have now at CF, DM and left sided attacker I will concede and throw my toys in the air. Until then I will remain calm unless we botch spuds on sunday loool !

  85. N5

    Cheers TYAG, I do always like to sort people out with tickets if I can, but the way it is at Arsenal it’s nearly impossible even for games like Palace!

  86. Bergkamplegend

    tunnygriffboy : “If the summer comes and we don’t buy top class,…”

    Why so much pessimism ??lol

  87. Gladwyn

    Tunny

    Good luck with being calm till the summer. The bumpy ride begins starting Sunday.

    Think it’ll be a tight game against the spuds but there are reports of player unrest at Spuds so with the good spirit in our camps, we might come out better. They also play Spursday night footie so we might be marginally fresher for the tie.

  88. Romford Pele

    Looool Bendtner is an idiot. And there he is telling people that he wants to get rid of that psycho tag that accompanies him. Mad to think that he’s now 26. He’s actually just making a mint of doing nothing. People like him and Ben Arfa (27) are just drifting into the abyss without actually doing much.

  89. Keyser

    Wait until he leaves, a few months go by, maybe he scores a couple of goals for his new club..

    ‘Bendtner was never given a chance was he..’

  90. N5

    “Bendtner was never given a chance was he..”

    Remember the day you said this statement Keyser, because you can pretty much guarantee it.

  91. Gladwyn

    Wait until he leaves, a few months go by, maybe he scores a couple of goals for his new club..

    That’s ok mate. we dont want him rubbing it in front of our faces. He did not deserve to be here this year, he only managed to stay on because the manager was busy flirting with Brenda. We will support him when he’s on the pitch for Arsenal this season(if at all). We can really live without him. If we can live with this prick, why not get Mario?

  92. Al

    Bendtner is an absolute disgrace and it is so frustrating he has been at Arsenal for this long ….stealing a living.
    We should really have made an example out of him to show the younger players the consequence of being like him.

  93. Bergkamplegend

    “…it is so frustrating he has been at Arsenal for this long…”

    Reminded me of someone else, but damn, who ?? lol

  94. tunnygriffboy

    Yes that really is a worry about Ramsey. We could really do with him back now Ozil and Wilshere are out. There’s a lot on Ox’s shoulder bless him. Hope injuries clear up before Chelsea but spurs is a real worry. Any win will do.

  95. Keyser

    AN – Not sure if you’ll see this, was just trying to add some of the other factors in, and it was Pedro’s article from when he visited our new medical facilities at the time.

    “It’s no surprise that Ozil is injured just as it’s no surprise that an inform Ramsey whose performance drops off and then gets an injury is. It’s player mismanagement by Wenger.”

    The thing is we’re talking about almost complete unknown’s, you can take all the information you want, the statistical data, but what people forget is that unless you push players you’re never going to know how far they can go.

    If a player plays 70 mins a game, unless you’re prepared to accept that as the norm, you’re simply going to have to play them past that mark.

    Likewise with Ramsey, Ramsey’s never played to such a level, yeah you can rest him and what not, but again it’s an unknown because he’s never played to that level before.

    If anything you can say that’s a risk of buying in and playing youth, like the OX, people wonder why he gets taken off towards the end of games, they used to wonder that even when he’s having a decent game.

    Sorry tried to relate it to my experiences should’ve explained better, there was a conversation here about how we adapt with age or can’t do the things we did when we were younger, I used to hate shuttle runs, or the endless running we’d do before we got to even touch the ball, but it’s all part of it as is the stretching and unless you push yourself you’ll never know how far you can go.

    That’s what people forget, we can only prepare to a certain point before you have to take a leap of faith like most things in life really, and when we don’t have quite the same resources or as deep a squad, this is even more prevalent, it’s just something we as a club have to do.

    In the article they mention the data they’ve accumulated for players, that it’s been running for two years, to get that data to begin with you have to actually put players through their paces.

  96. N5

    I think Sherwood will be there next year, by the way he talks it sounds as if he’s been given the go ahead.

    I do like the way he talks when he say’s he isn’t going to babysit players etc, but I don’t feel he’s winning anyone over down at the shit hole! maybe he’s destroying them from within, being a gooner and all.

  97. Al

    N5

    I don’t know .. to me it sounds like Sherwood is more interested in saying things that supporters say in order to get the Fans on His Side.

    He could really lay into them privately but there’s no reason why he should do it publicly.

  98. Gladwyn

    I think Sherwood will be there next year, by the way he talks it sounds as if he’s been given the go ahead.

    You never know with the Spuds. They feel threatened all the time, even if it’s their own shadows they’re looking at.

  99. N5

    I agree A1, I think all these things should remain private between the players and the manager unless it is happening to the Spuds, then I like to see public humiliation 😀

  100. N5

    “You never know with the Spuds. They feel threatened all the time, even if it’s their own shadows they’re looking at.”

    Little club syndrome I think it’s called.

  101. Bamford13

    While his alleged behavior is obviously idiotic, Bendtner has reason to be beside himself with frustration — both with his situation at Arsenal and with Wenger. Nicklas worked hard this season to get fit, and his attitude was correct in training and when he played, something acknowledged even by Wenger. He scored an important goal and then suffered an unfortunate injury. When he returned from his injury, he found himself watching Yaya Sanogo start against Bayern. Simply outrageous. I’m sorry, but while Bendtner is not the world’s greatest striker, he should’ve been ahead of Sanogo for a thousand reasons.

    Wenger is partly to blame here.

  102. Lee

    Paddy
    Maybe that was a bit harsh and I’m
    Sorry if that was ott.
    I do find it infuriating that guys like you don’t support the club or players and insist that we only sign shit.
    Quite frankly it’s ridiculous
    Look at spurs liberpool or united
    All great clubs
    But we are consistent and they are not.
    Anyway if you really want me to prove I don’t hide behind my key board or I phone as the case is the here is my e mail
    Garveyplumbing@hotmail.co.uk
    If you would like to arrange a personal debate I will do so personally.
    Anyway your move pad…….